018 - The Human Relationship with NHI
Zusammenfassung
TLDRIn this episode of Event Horizon, Janice and Darren explore the intricate dynamics between humanity and non-human intelligence (NHI). They reflect on their recent discussions about the unfolding design in the world and the role of free will, particularly in relation to NHI. The conversation covers various hypotheses about NHI's influence on human affairs, including the idea of Earth as a school for spiritual growth, a farm for exploitation, a zoo for observation, a simulation, and a garden for co-creation. They emphasize the importance of language in shaping our understanding and the need to recognize our energetic relationships with these concepts, which ultimately influence our reality. The episode encourages listeners to consider how their perceptions and choices impact their interactions with NHI and the world around them.
Mitbringsel
- ๐ Earth as a school for spiritual growth.
- ๐ฝ The role of free will in our interactions with NHI.
- ๐ฃ๏ธ Language shapes our understanding of reality.
- ๐ Energetic relationships influence our experiences.
- ๐ฑ Co-creation and nurturing as a guiding principle.
- ๐ฆ The importance of perspective in understanding NHI.
- ๐ Observation versus exploitation in the NHI context.
- ๐ฎ Simulation theory and its implications.
- ๐ The interconnectedness of all beings.
- ๐ก The significance of personal agency in shaping reality.
Zeitleiste
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
Janice and Darren introduce themselves and discuss their recent in-person meeting, highlighting their ongoing conversations about the intersection of free will and non-human intelligence (NHI) in human affairs. They reference Matthew Brown's interview, which raises questions about the nature of reality and the potential role of NHI in human existence.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Darren emphasizes the complexity of disclosure regarding NHI, suggesting that the implications of their involvement in human affairs are profound. He reflects on the varying interpretations of NHI's intentions, particularly the idea that humans may be viewed as resources, and how this notion can evoke fear or different interpretations based on individual perspectives.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Janice discusses the importance of language in understanding the relationship between humans and NHI. She argues that the term 'resource' can have multiple meanings and that fear-based paradigms can distort our understanding of NHI's intentions. She emphasizes the need for a broader perspective that recognizes the beauty of human experience and the potential for positive interactions with NHI.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Darren and Janice reflect on their own conversations about free will and the self, noting the challenges of communicating complex ideas. They discuss the limitations of language and the potential for telepathy to facilitate clearer communication. They also explore the idea that fear can shape our interactions with NHI and the importance of approaching these relationships with a sense of empowerment.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Janice shares her perspective on the nature of reality and the importance of not viewing oneself as a victim. She emphasizes the need to cultivate a neutral energetic state to navigate interactions with NHI and to avoid projecting fear onto these beings. She believes that embracing love and acceptance can lead to more positive experiences.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Darren recounts a personal experience with a mountain lion, illustrating how fear can shape our interactions with other beings. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing our own power and agency in these situations, suggesting that our energetic state can influence the nature of our interactions with NHI.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
The conversation shifts to the idea of humanity's sovereignty and the potential for both free will and external influence. They discuss the notion that humans are part of a larger cosmic experiment, exploring the balance between individual agency and the influence of NHI. They argue that both perspectives can coexist and that understanding this relationship is crucial for personal growth.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Janice and Darren explore the concept of Earth as a school for spiritual development, emphasizing the importance of mastery and growth rather than viewing it as a place of drudgery. They discuss the idea that challenges can lead to personal growth and that the experience of being human is an opportunity for advanced mastery.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
The discussion moves to the idea of a farm, where NHI exploit humanity for resources. Janice expresses skepticism about this notion, emphasizing the sovereignty of souls and the idea that individuals choose their experiences. They argue against the idea of being victims and highlight the importance of personal agency in shaping reality.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Darren and Janice discuss the zoo hypothesis, where humanity is observed by NHI. They find this perspective neutral and suggest that observation can lead to growth and understanding. They emphasize the importance of recognizing the interconnectedness of all beings and the potential for learning from these experiences.
- 00:50:00 - 00:58:06
The conversation concludes with the idea of Earth as a garden, where NHI act as caretakers and support the flourishing of humanity. They emphasize the importance of stewardship and the interconnectedness of all life, suggesting that a harmonious relationship with NHI can lead to collective growth and evolution.
Mind Map
Video-Fragen und Antworten
What is the main topic of the episode?
The episode discusses the relationship between humanity and non-human intelligence (NHI), exploring how NHI may influence human affairs.
What are some hypotheses discussed regarding NHI?
The hypotheses include Earth as a school, a farm, a zoo, a simulation, and a garden.
How do Janice and Darren view the concept of free will?
They emphasize that free will is influenced by our perspective and energetic alignment with reality.
What role does language play in understanding NHI?
Language is critical in shaping our perceptions and understanding of NHI and our experiences.
What is the significance of energetic relationships?
Our energetic relationships with different hypotheses can determine our reality and how we interact with NHI.
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- 00:00:00[Music]
- 00:00:18Hi, I'm Janice. And I'm Darren. And this
- 00:00:21is Event Horizon. So, some of you might
- 00:00:24be surprised to know that it wasn't
- 00:00:25until early April at Archives of the
- 00:00:27Impossible that Darren and I first met
- 00:00:29in the flesh. Was almost a year after we
- 00:00:32started recording Event Horizon. We had
- 00:00:35the opportunity to meet again in person
- 00:00:36last weekend when Darren was here in the
- 00:00:38Denver area to do a very well-received
- 00:00:40talk for MUON. We had a whole day
- 00:00:43together and as you can imagine, we
- 00:00:44spent the entire time talking. One of
- 00:00:47the topics that came up over and over in
- 00:00:48a variety of ways is how to understand
- 00:00:50the larger design unfolding in the world
- 00:00:53right now and the role that free will
- 00:00:55plays in it all, especially as it
- 00:00:57intersects with what we know about the
- 00:00:59possible role of non-human intelligence
- 00:01:01in human affairs. This intersection was
- 00:01:04perfectly epitomized in Matthew Brown's
- 00:01:07most recent interview with Jeremy
- 00:01:08Corbell and George Knap's podcast
- 00:01:10weaponized when he posited, "What I have
- 00:01:13learned is that we live in a dream, a
- 00:01:14carefully constructed reality. We make
- 00:01:16use of a science that is tightly
- 00:01:18controlled, tightly suppressed, and
- 00:01:20distorted. I think I have a good degree
- 00:01:22of confidence that they're here because
- 00:01:24of us. I think life, especially sensient
- 00:01:27life, is a precious thing. And I think
- 00:01:29to some we might be a resource." This
- 00:01:32left everybody dangling wondering what
- 00:01:34he meant by that. So this is the topic
- 00:01:36of today's conversation. So Darren, to
- 00:01:39what degree are NHI overseeing human
- 00:01:42affairs?
- 00:01:43This is an ongoing question and we've
- 00:01:46talked about and I've talked about in
- 00:01:47other podcasts too that disclosure is
- 00:01:50tricky and prickly because the issue
- 00:01:52isn't just are there aliens visiting us
- 00:01:55but to what degree has our entire
- 00:01:57civilization perhaps been controlled
- 00:01:59even seated by these various others. So
- 00:02:03the implications are immense. It was
- 00:02:06very interesting hearing Matthew Brown
- 00:02:08in that interview. I thought to myself,
- 00:02:11it would be good to reflect on what he
- 00:02:14said in light of what experiences have
- 00:02:15been told over time. Because again, some
- 00:02:17people can make the mistake of thinking,
- 00:02:19we don't know anything about the
- 00:02:21intention or the agenda of these beings
- 00:02:23and we have to rely on government, which
- 00:02:25usually means military personnel to tell
- 00:02:27us. And they often seem to lean on this
- 00:02:31either we don't know anything, or they
- 00:02:32leave it with a kind of ominous tone
- 00:02:35like what was said here. And now we
- 00:02:37don't know the full context of what
- 00:02:39Matthew is discussing there. But the
- 00:02:41fact that they ended an episode with
- 00:02:43that notion that they may see us as a
- 00:02:45resource that can be taken many
- 00:02:47different ways. I think some people
- 00:02:50could recognize that as an energetic
- 00:02:51thing and that's true of all life forms
- 00:02:53that we're all energy. But many people I
- 00:02:56think will take that as a potentially
- 00:02:58ominous sign that they want to use us
- 00:03:00that they see us as cattle or some sort
- 00:03:02of commodity that they use. So, this is
- 00:03:05something that I'm really looking
- 00:03:07forward to digging into with you,
- 00:03:08Janice, because like you said, this is
- 00:03:10part of our conversations. We were
- 00:03:12talking non-stop, like you said, last
- 00:03:13weekend as we hiked around the beautiful
- 00:03:15areas where you live. And this is
- 00:03:18something that comes up a lot for us. We
- 00:03:20actually tackled this notion of a
- 00:03:22control structure, whether alien, human,
- 00:03:25or some combination of the two, on an
- 00:03:28earlier podcast. I think we've been out
- 00:03:29ahead of this more than most. So, let me
- 00:03:32pass it back to you. When you first
- 00:03:33heard him say that, what did you think
- 00:03:35about what he said? But more
- 00:03:36importantly, how did you think that
- 00:03:38would be received by the public? We both
- 00:03:41probably would think it'd be perceived
- 00:03:42like everybody else listening. I think
- 00:03:44one of the things I think a lot about in
- 00:03:46this process of what we call awakening
- 00:03:48or whatever this is that's happening on
- 00:03:49the planet is language and the degree to
- 00:03:52which it's extraordinarily critical and
- 00:03:55the degree to which we lack language
- 00:03:58that is going to help us really
- 00:04:00understand. So for example, word
- 00:04:02resource could be anything, right? I
- 00:04:04know a lot of people will default to the
- 00:04:05assumptions they have about we live in a
- 00:04:07prison planet. We are, you know, we're
- 00:04:09being recycled and we're being
- 00:04:10controlled and that immediately will
- 00:04:13speak to that. When I hear that though,
- 00:04:15because I don't have that as a dominant
- 00:04:16paradigm, I don't I think resource could
- 00:04:19be anything. I mean, resource can be uh
- 00:04:22you're a resource for me. I mean, you're
- 00:04:24you know, you're somebody I go to for
- 00:04:27for elucidation and conversation. I mean
- 00:04:30it it doesn't have to mean something
- 00:04:32nefarious. So I think challenge in
- 00:04:35language uh is really going to be an
- 00:04:38issue when we're talking about
- 00:04:39communications with NHI and not just
- 00:04:42language but I think because we're going
- 00:04:43to draw from the paradigms that are that
- 00:04:46are standard for us and as we all know
- 00:04:48here we live in a very threat focused
- 00:04:52world. I mean most of our look at a ton
- 00:04:54of our language it's either sports
- 00:04:56related or war related. We do battle
- 00:04:59with, you know, our demons. We we
- 00:05:01conquer, you know, we we have a very
- 00:05:04particular set of dominant paradigmatic
- 00:05:07lexicons that we never question. I think
- 00:05:10that's a problem when we're interacting
- 00:05:12with species that may have a very very
- 00:05:14different understanding of the nature of
- 00:05:17reality. So, like I know we for example
- 00:05:19we've talked before about how there
- 00:05:22seems to be some lack of concern about
- 00:05:25human suffering or human mortality, but
- 00:05:28what is that if you're a species that
- 00:05:30knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that
- 00:05:32these bodies are not they're just
- 00:05:35temporary
- 00:05:36anyway? You know, they're not that
- 00:05:38worried about it because if you quote
- 00:05:41unquote die, you're basically passing
- 00:05:42through a portal into another space and
- 00:05:44you'll have another body, right? So, I
- 00:05:46think there's a lot here that we're
- 00:05:48going to have to be mindful about and
- 00:05:50careful about. And that's what I thought
- 00:05:51about when I heard him say that. And I
- 00:05:53know you and I have had a lot of
- 00:05:54conversation about how do well, first of
- 00:05:57all, we don't really know. Second of
- 00:05:58all, how do we help ourselves not be so
- 00:06:02afraid? And what does it mean if we
- 00:06:05start to interact from an assumption
- 00:06:07that we're cattle versus from an
- 00:06:10assumption that we have an experience as
- 00:06:13humans on a planet that's
- 00:06:15extraordinarily beautiful and biodiverse
- 00:06:17that could share um that is beautiful
- 00:06:20and that others want to participate in
- 00:06:22in some way.
- 00:06:24Yeah, great points. And the language
- 00:06:26piece is really well said because you
- 00:06:29and I both know that in our history, as
- 00:06:31much as we have in common and have
- 00:06:33similar spiritual backgrounds, similar
- 00:06:36spiritual trainings, even you and I, as
- 00:06:38much as we recognize we had a vast
- 00:06:40amount in common, it took months and
- 00:06:42months and months of conversations, like
- 00:06:44multiple hour conversations to really
- 00:06:46flesh out what we meant by certain
- 00:06:48terms. Like you and I had this
- 00:06:51conversation ongoingly about free will
- 00:06:53and the self, but then we realized
- 00:06:55sometimes we were speaking of the self
- 00:06:56from the perspective of the body, mind
- 00:06:58of Janice and Darren, and sometimes we
- 00:07:00meant more at the sort of oversoul
- 00:07:01level. Of course, the challenge is in
- 00:07:04English or any language for that matter,
- 00:07:06we don't really have terms that
- 00:07:08distinguish those two. So, we have to go
- 00:07:10out of our way either to become familiar
- 00:07:12enough with each other that we know what
- 00:07:14we're referring to or we have to be very
- 00:07:16specific with kind of awkward
- 00:07:17terminology to make sense of this. And
- 00:07:20this kind of plays into as well
- 00:07:22something you and I have talked about
- 00:07:23and I've talked about in classes and
- 00:07:24podcast and that is how telepathy is so
- 00:07:27much more efficient here because there's
- 00:07:29no miscommunication. You can actually
- 00:07:31share the fullness of what you're trying
- 00:07:32to communicate rather than have to rely
- 00:07:34on these kind of clunky symbols that we
- 00:07:36we call words. Now, in terms of what
- 00:07:40Matthew said, yes, I agree with you. I
- 00:07:43think about the word resource and I
- 00:07:44think about it in many different ways.
- 00:07:46Even when people say things like the
- 00:07:48grays see humans as containers for
- 00:07:50souls, again, the question is while
- 00:07:53everybody's freaking out about that, the
- 00:07:55question is in what way do they mean
- 00:07:57that? Because if they mean the body,
- 00:07:59yes, then shedding that is no different
- 00:08:01than taking off a cardigan. So, this
- 00:08:04really does change things. And I'm
- 00:08:05thinking here about there was a case
- 00:08:07where someone had a mantis being in
- 00:08:10front of them and the mantis being was
- 00:08:12almost a bit frustrated that the human
- 00:08:13being was not recognizing that they
- 00:08:15meant no harm and at one point this
- 00:08:17human being perceived their body being
- 00:08:19thrashed about basically and then
- 00:08:21suddenly in a split second it was
- 00:08:23reconstituted. And it's very interesting
- 00:08:26how different people interpret that
- 00:08:27event because some people will say
- 00:08:30that's clearly a malevolent entity that
- 00:08:32was trying to scare him. But another way
- 00:08:34to look at it and the way that I
- 00:08:35actually looked at it was that the
- 00:08:37mantis being was trying to show the
- 00:08:39person that they are not their body and
- 00:08:41that fear is a mentality. It's a
- 00:08:44energetic wavelength which diminishes
- 00:08:47you. And this fits with something you
- 00:08:49were referring there to because I think
- 00:08:52something people really underestimate is
- 00:08:54the degree to which there is no fixed
- 00:08:57relationship with these beings with
- 00:08:59these various beings with any being for
- 00:09:01that matter. It really depends on how we
- 00:09:04choose to interact with that being. If
- 00:09:06we assume they're better than us,
- 00:09:08they're more powerful than us, they can
- 00:09:10control us, that will largely set the
- 00:09:12energetic signature by which we
- 00:09:14communicate with them. And many of the
- 00:09:16say less than benevolent beings, less
- 00:09:18than mature beings fully know that and
- 00:09:21will use that as a tactic to make us
- 00:09:23feel diminished so they can control us.
- 00:09:25So, one thing we're going to talk about
- 00:09:26today is that it's not that there's
- 00:09:28these fixed arrangements that we just
- 00:09:30have to get used to, but how we choose
- 00:09:32to show up makes all the difference. I
- 00:09:34think it's something both you and I
- 00:09:36recognize. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. You
- 00:09:39know, I think about this too a lot. It's
- 00:09:41like there's so much I can't know.
- 00:09:43There's I can guess at, we can talk
- 00:09:45about it. We can compare notes. We do.
- 00:09:47Lots of us do. And but at the end of the
- 00:09:49day, this question you just raised is
- 00:09:51always always there in front of me. How
- 00:09:54do I want to show up? Cuz that's the one
- 00:09:56thing I have some choice over. And at
- 00:09:58least for me, I don't want to live with
- 00:10:00fear is my master. Even if even if it's
- 00:10:03if it is a fair scary future, I I gain
- 00:10:07nothing by living that way today. And I
- 00:10:10have everything to gain by basically
- 00:10:12assuming up going wide. And I don't
- 00:10:15experience myself as somebody who's
- 00:10:17trapped and enslaved. I never I've never
- 00:10:19experienced that. So maybe it's a little
- 00:10:20easier for me. I mean, I've definitely
- 00:10:22had hard luck experiences like a lot of
- 00:10:24people, but I just don't fundamentally
- 00:10:26feel that way. So, I'm not dealing with
- 00:10:28that, which I think is a slightly
- 00:10:30different animal that we do project out
- 00:10:32unfortunately. You know, having deep
- 00:10:35pools of fear, especially if it's
- 00:10:36distorted in its pockets and you don't
- 00:10:38know where it is, is something that we
- 00:10:40end up projecting. And I think that's
- 00:10:42part of the nature of reality. I don't
- 00:10:43know that anybody can I don't even know
- 00:10:45if if uh NHI could stop us from doing
- 00:10:48that if we're really in it because we're
- 00:10:50basically creating the reality as we see
- 00:10:53it through a mental projection even
- 00:10:55though we have no idea that's what we're
- 00:10:56doing. So I do spend a lot of time just
- 00:11:01deciding to be in the most neutral
- 00:11:04energetic state which I experience as
- 00:11:07love, acceptance, compassion. It's not
- 00:11:09actually neutral feeling inside of me,
- 00:11:11but I think energetically that's the
- 00:11:13neutral stance because I'm pretty sure I
- 00:11:16remember that that stance allows me to
- 00:11:19navigate through a lot of rooms even if
- 00:11:21they're scary and they have scary beings
- 00:11:23in them because it's the energetic
- 00:11:26connection between the two beings that
- 00:11:28ends up causing an an effect. So if I'm
- 00:11:31afraid and I'm in the presence of
- 00:11:33something that is wanting to dance with
- 00:11:36me energetically and it's you know
- 00:11:37inviting me to be afraid now I've just
- 00:11:39entered a dance and that's on me. So if
- 00:11:42I want to get out of that dance I need
- 00:11:44to neutralize my charge. That's the way
- 00:11:47I've construed. I know it's a little bit
- 00:11:48out there but that's the way I've I meet
- 00:11:50all of this and it it feels a lot you
- 00:11:52know no matter how I die it feels a lot
- 00:11:54better to live this way than to be
- 00:11:56afraid and be thinking about prison
- 00:11:58planets all the time. Yeah. Absolutely.
- 00:12:00No, I completely agree with that. And as
- 00:12:02a really pragmatic example of this, I
- 00:12:04remember one time hiking in a national
- 00:12:06forest, and I've told this story in a
- 00:12:07few different places, and suddenly from
- 00:12:10up behind a tree stepped a mountain
- 00:12:11lion, a very large mountain lion, and he
- 00:12:14didn't actually look that perturbed. He
- 00:12:16didn't look like he was glaring at me
- 00:12:18and showing me his teeth. But
- 00:12:20nevertheless, I went into a fear
- 00:12:21response immediately. Now, initially,
- 00:12:24when I spoke to the park ranger
- 00:12:25afterwards, he said, "I handled it well
- 00:12:27because I made myself as big as
- 00:12:28possible. I shouted. I made myself look
- 00:12:30like I was going to be a problem. But
- 00:12:32then when he moved off to the side of
- 00:12:34the path, I went down the trail. When I
- 00:12:36went around the corner, I started
- 00:12:38running. I started running. Right now,
- 00:12:41the park ranger said, "It can feel your
- 00:12:43running feet through the pads of its
- 00:12:45feet, through the earth." Right? And
- 00:12:46what does it do? It sets the energetic
- 00:12:48pattern. So, you are now prey and it is
- 00:12:51predator. when it really did not have
- 00:12:53that perspective when I first
- 00:12:55encountered it. If it wanted to have me
- 00:12:56for lunch, it would have jumped me from
- 00:12:58behind and gone for my neck. That's what
- 00:12:59I found out later. It clearly didn't. If
- 00:13:02anything, it was being curious and
- 00:13:03friendly. But once I chose fear, that
- 00:13:06then determined the nature of the
- 00:13:07interaction until I had to stop and turn
- 00:13:09around and run back at it, and then it
- 00:13:11thought twice and went off to the river
- 00:13:12again. But that was a really useful
- 00:13:16experience for me to think about how
- 00:13:17this actually works. And what we're
- 00:13:20really saying here is that because we're
- 00:13:21all splinters of source, that means each
- 00:13:24of these alien beings and us, we each
- 00:13:26have the same capacity really to draw
- 00:13:28upon. So what we want to sort of explore
- 00:13:31today is how we can reconcile being an
- 00:13:35eternal consciousness moving through
- 00:13:37incarnations with apparent sovereignty
- 00:13:39and agency with notions of humanity
- 00:13:42being a seated species as part of an
- 00:13:44ongoing species level biological
- 00:13:47experiment. So this is the notion and
- 00:13:49some people feel like these are mutually
- 00:13:52exclusive that either you're a being
- 00:13:54with sovereignty that is an eternal soul
- 00:13:57or you're part of a biological
- 00:13:58experiment or part of a simulation and
- 00:14:00you have no control no agency. We're
- 00:14:02going to argue today that both are true.
- 00:14:06Now I was thinking we could walk through
- 00:14:08each of the common ways that people tend
- 00:14:10to think about this relationship. So the
- 00:14:12first one that comes up is the notion of
- 00:14:14a school. And here we have the notion of
- 00:14:15spiritual development. So the core idea
- 00:14:18here is earth is a place for learning,
- 00:14:20soul growth and spiritual evolution. Key
- 00:14:23themes are reincarnation, karma, free
- 00:14:26will, lessons of polarity. So love
- 00:14:29versus fear, service to self versus
- 00:14:31service to others and the case of the
- 00:14:33raw contact material. And again some
- 00:14:36examples would be the law of one. The
- 00:14:37raw contact material talks about this.
- 00:14:39Theosophy talks about this. And this is
- 00:14:41very much in line with new age thinking.
- 00:14:44So Janice, how do you look at this
- 00:14:46notion of Earth being a school and
- 00:14:48therefore perhaps some of these beings
- 00:14:50either being teachers or overseers that
- 00:14:52are overseeing that ongoing process of
- 00:14:54the kindergarten class, if you will. Oh,
- 00:14:57I'm so glad you brought that up because
- 00:14:58that was in my mind earlier to talk
- 00:15:00about, you know, we you and I have had a
- 00:15:01lot of conversations about the word
- 00:15:03school. uh and I know that it is used in
- 00:15:06the light worker world and a lot of the
- 00:15:09you know the the world of people who are
- 00:15:11seekers in a very particular way. It
- 00:15:13often in it often conotes at least to me
- 00:15:17this idea of labor of you know work like
- 00:15:19you have to go to school like a
- 00:15:20kindergartener and you have to sit there
- 00:15:22and you have to learn things and I don't
- 00:15:24think that that's not true. I think
- 00:15:25there's probably some elements of that
- 00:15:26but I've struggled with like all right I
- 00:15:29don't I don't feel it that way. I don't
- 00:15:30experience it that way. It's more like,
- 00:15:32and this is where I think language is
- 00:15:34going to become really important, an
- 00:15:36opportunity for advanced mastery. Like I
- 00:15:39incarnate in order to, you know, I'm I'm
- 00:15:42a a leather worker and I've I'm been
- 00:15:45working on trying to etch in a very
- 00:15:47particular way like fine or I know a
- 00:15:50mandala. I'm making a mandala, you know,
- 00:15:51the sand mandalas and there's a lot of
- 00:15:54nuanced placement of the sand of
- 00:15:56different colors and in different
- 00:15:58patterns. And I'm like, "All right, I'm
- 00:16:00gonna incarnate and try to put it all
- 00:16:01together and create something that I've
- 00:16:03never done before." And it's it's hard.
- 00:16:06It's work because I'm challenging myself
- 00:16:09to get more nuance, more detailed, more
- 00:16:11precise, more elegant. But that's not
- 00:16:13the same as I got to go to school and
- 00:16:15learn my ABCs to me. And I, you know,
- 00:16:18one is kind of dudgery. And the other is
- 00:16:20it's still a challenge. I've still got
- 00:16:22to focus. I need discipline. I need
- 00:16:24practice. I'm going to probably mess up
- 00:16:25in some cases cuz I'm trying to put a
- 00:16:28bunch of new skills together that I
- 00:16:29haven't put together in the same way on
- 00:16:30earth plane. But it's what I want is
- 00:16:34driven from a desire to enhance my my
- 00:16:38skill set. I think for me personally
- 00:16:41that makes a pretty big difference. If
- 00:16:42you're talking to me on one hand you're
- 00:16:44telling me I have to go to school versus
- 00:16:46I get to go improve my capacity to be
- 00:16:49really elegant
- 00:16:51artist. They're very different. So that
- 00:16:54is really that that mastery um paradigm
- 00:16:57is the one that I I feel is most
- 00:16:59resonant with my personal experience and
- 00:17:01I suspect probably everybody even though
- 00:17:03we don't really remember it and I know
- 00:17:05from you know people I have in my life
- 00:17:08there's a bunch of us that do feel like
- 00:17:09this is drudgery. I know that and and I
- 00:17:11think it is hard. It does feel like
- 00:17:13drudgery sometimes, but I like I would
- 00:17:15challenge us to think about what if that
- 00:17:17drudgery is you really trying to work a
- 00:17:19whole new angle that you've never been
- 00:17:21able to fully get in the same way and
- 00:17:23this time you're doing it in this one
- 00:17:25way. And it's just it's just hard. But
- 00:17:28you know, you're going you're going to
- 00:17:29do it. You're going to do it how you're
- 00:17:30going to do it. You're certainly going
- 00:17:31to you get lots of credit from yourself
- 00:17:34for coming and trying. And I'm sure
- 00:17:36it'll it make a difference. Yeah. Yeah.
- 00:17:38And this is an interesting one because
- 00:17:40we're back to this question of language
- 00:17:42and connotation. And I remember you and
- 00:17:44I had conversations and when I realized
- 00:17:46that we weren't saying something very
- 00:17:49different actually from each other. We
- 00:17:50pretty much were in the same perspective
- 00:17:51even though it seemed superficially like
- 00:17:53we were saying different things. It's
- 00:17:55because for me that connotation of
- 00:17:58school is kind of like the mastery you
- 00:18:00describe. So, I think it's a point well
- 00:18:03made in the sense that a lot of people
- 00:18:04might have a notion of a certain kind of
- 00:18:06school. Like when we go from being kids
- 00:18:08who can run outside and play and be in
- 00:18:10the trees and nature to suddenly having
- 00:18:12to sit in a classroom and learn ABCs and
- 00:18:14math. Yeah, that sounds like drudgery.
- 00:18:17But for me, I remember for instance,
- 00:18:20this comes up for me every time the
- 00:18:22seasons begin to change. It gets a
- 00:18:23little bit cooler and the beginning of
- 00:18:25September rolls around. I actually have
- 00:18:28this good feeling in my body of this
- 00:18:30association with that mastery you're
- 00:18:32talking about. Ah, it's time to go back
- 00:18:34to school which to me actually conotes
- 00:18:38that enjoyment you're talking about the
- 00:18:40desire to enter in grow my skillfulness
- 00:18:43develop skillful means through practice.
- 00:18:45So to me that's what school does
- 00:18:48actually connotate. And so for me it's
- 00:18:50not this negative thing although I think
- 00:18:52we can sometimes think about it that way
- 00:18:54depending on our life experience. But I
- 00:18:56also want to say in light of what you
- 00:18:58kind of hinted at there, and this comes
- 00:19:00down to language again, what we mean by
- 00:19:02I, by the self, because the body mind
- 00:19:06here, which only remembers a certain
- 00:19:07part of the total, a fairly limited part
- 00:19:09actually, might
- 00:19:11sometimes be repelled by some of the
- 00:19:14things that arise in our life that we
- 00:19:16have to work with. But when you hear
- 00:19:18from people who've had near-death
- 00:19:19experiences, people who've remembered
- 00:19:22that phase in between lives, they
- 00:19:24realize that they themselves were part
- 00:19:27of that decision to set up these events
- 00:19:30in their lives so that they could have
- 00:19:32these opportunities to learn. So even
- 00:19:34the things that we want to put in a
- 00:19:36package and say that's a negative event.
- 00:19:37I don't like that event from the
- 00:19:39perspective of outside of incarnation
- 00:19:41that actually was chosen partly by us so
- 00:19:44that we would have that opportunity to
- 00:19:45work with it to grow in that skillful
- 00:19:47means. So again it really matters from
- 00:19:51what perspective you're engaging with
- 00:19:53each of these ideas. So that's the
- 00:19:55school. Let's move on to the next one
- 00:19:57which I think neither one of us will
- 00:19:59resonate with so much. This is the
- 00:20:01notion of a farm that the aliens are
- 00:20:04basically farming us either for
- 00:20:05exploitation or for harvesting of some
- 00:20:07sort. The core idea here is that the
- 00:20:10earth is being used or exploited by more
- 00:20:12powerful entities for resources. That's
- 00:20:15that word again. Whether physical,
- 00:20:17energetic or psychic. Key themes here
- 00:20:20are notions like luch harvesting. So
- 00:20:23fear or an emotion used as an energy
- 00:20:25that they actually consume. control
- 00:20:27systems, parasites, if you will, and
- 00:20:30soul harvesting. So, examples here are
- 00:20:33shown in Gnostic traditions with the
- 00:20:35Gnostic archons, the Matrix films, David
- 00:20:38Ike's reptilian theories, and Robert
- 00:20:41Monroe's luch concept. So, the alien
- 00:20:44role in this particular way of framing
- 00:20:46this Janice is as predators, farmers or
- 00:20:49jailers who manipulate or feed off
- 00:20:51humanity. So how do we look at this from
- 00:20:53a more multi-perspectal view being
- 00:20:55non-dual practitioners the farm notion
- 00:20:58what do you say you know non-dual means
- 00:21:01everything and it's like all things are
- 00:21:04coexisting right
- 00:21:07so I uh I don't buy it like I just don't
- 00:21:10buy it on the surface that it's a farm I
- 00:21:12don't buy that humans are have no
- 00:21:14sovereignty I don't I don't buy that all
- 00:21:17these billions of souls are like yeah
- 00:21:19sure we'll go be on a farm for for this
- 00:21:21you play this this game out with this
- 00:21:24NHI. It just doesn't doesn't resonate
- 00:21:26for a whole bunch of reasons that some
- 00:21:28of you know that anybody would
- 00:21:29understand and some are maybe a little
- 00:21:30more esoteric. But I mean I think you
- 00:21:34and I have talked about this a lot and
- 00:21:35I've said this before at the place I
- 00:21:37always default to and that is very
- 00:21:40consonant with every Eastern teaching as
- 00:21:43well as all mystical traditions and
- 00:21:44indigenous traditions is you cannot be
- 00:21:47enslaved. Your soul cannot be enslaved.
- 00:21:49We are sovereign. So I go, well,
- 00:21:53whatever's happening here in this leela,
- 00:21:55this play of consciousness on on this
- 00:21:57planet is is a bunch of sovereign souls
- 00:22:01playing out a drama they want to play
- 00:22:03out for reasons that I can't fully
- 00:22:05remember for myself, let alone anybody
- 00:22:07else. But, you know, so when I when I
- 00:22:10can really perch there and stay there,
- 00:22:12it is quite entertaining. I there's
- 00:22:14plenty of moments I'm like, "Wow, we
- 00:22:15really that was an interesting curly
- 00:22:17queue. Who thought that one up?" Um, you
- 00:22:19know, it makes it easier to deal with
- 00:22:21sometimes very hard stuff. Um, if I come
- 00:22:24fully in as human, I'm very adhered to
- 00:22:26my presence here. I kind of forget that
- 00:22:29I'm a sovereign soul or whatever. That
- 00:22:30doesn't happen very often to me anymore,
- 00:22:32but when it does, then yeah, I mean, I'm
- 00:22:34terrified, right? I'm terrified by a lot
- 00:22:36of things. NHI is the least of it. I'm
- 00:22:38frankly more terrified by my fellow man
- 00:22:40than than NHI. And that does get us into
- 00:22:43this conversation about the insinuation
- 00:22:46uh Matthew Brown made about what's
- 00:22:48really going on here if we're going to
- 00:22:51talk just in terms of sort of the human
- 00:22:53experience and we're going to get you
- 00:22:54know we're going to forget our sovereign
- 00:22:56souls and our own creative reasons for
- 00:22:58being here for a minute. But you know
- 00:23:00the in I feel grateful that I have that
- 00:23:03perspective and I feel like it's a much
- 00:23:05better way to live cuz even if it's
- 00:23:08totally wrong. It's brings me more peace
- 00:23:10now and why would I poison my peace? You
- 00:23:14know if I'm going to be terrified, I
- 00:23:15might as well wait until it actually
- 00:23:17happens. I don't think I need to
- 00:23:18frontload my terror. Kind of a practical
- 00:23:20decision. But I also think it leads
- 00:23:22humanity into this like if we believe
- 00:23:24this story and we start perpetuating it,
- 00:23:26we're telling it to other people and
- 00:23:28that we're just exporting fear
- 00:23:30everywhere. And seriously people, is
- 00:23:31that the way we're going to we are going
- 00:23:33to meet whatever it is that's coming or
- 00:23:35whatever is that's here? You know, I I
- 00:23:38don't think so. Look at where that's
- 00:23:39gotten us. I look around the world and I
- 00:23:41say, "Uh, well, it really hasn't done
- 00:23:44anything. We're on the brink of
- 00:23:45extinction in multiple ways. I don't
- 00:23:47think that our our our threat vigilance
- 00:23:50and our our our meeting everything with
- 00:23:52war is helping humanity or anything
- 00:23:55else. Not helping any life. As far as I
- 00:23:57can tell, it seems to be leading us down
- 00:23:58the path of sort of deep degradation.
- 00:24:01So, it feels that feels like a degrading
- 00:24:03stance. So, I wouldn't choose it. I
- 00:24:04don't not choose it though because I've
- 00:24:07figured out reality. You know what I
- 00:24:08mean? Like I can't I don't need to know
- 00:24:10for sure in order to decide not to have
- 00:24:14that stance. I know not everybody's
- 00:24:17comfortable that way, but that is
- 00:24:18personally where I've gotten with it.
- 00:24:20And I don't buy, just for the record, as
- 00:24:22I just said, I don't buy the prison
- 00:24:23plan. It doesn't make sense among all
- 00:24:25the different narratives anyway, even
- 00:24:27independent of that, right? And and the
- 00:24:29prison plan, I just to be really clear,
- 00:24:31is a little bit different than the farm,
- 00:24:32but they are often related. Farm kind of
- 00:24:35implies perhaps some degree of symbiosis
- 00:24:38a little bit. And you know, there's a
- 00:24:39few things you touched on there that I
- 00:24:41kind of want to riff on. One is this
- 00:24:43notion that by assuming a certain
- 00:24:45energetic relationship is in place that
- 00:24:49actually perpetuates more of that
- 00:24:50energetic relationship. This again is
- 00:24:52the key and I said this at the outset,
- 00:24:54right? And I know that you and I both
- 00:24:55agree on this that as long as you
- 00:24:57believe that's the only energetic
- 00:24:59possibility that will continue to
- 00:25:00perpetuate, right? So it's really
- 00:25:02important that you you think about that
- 00:25:04and choose to decide proactively how you
- 00:25:08want to energetically align. Now the
- 00:25:10other thing I want to say is that I do
- 00:25:12believe just like we see in biology that
- 00:25:14there are parasitic entities. I think
- 00:25:17again everything is connected and so we
- 00:25:19see this marching of really simple
- 00:25:21organisms up to very very advanced
- 00:25:23organisms and all of this is somehow the
- 00:25:26outspilling of source and then the
- 00:25:28collection back into source again. So in
- 00:25:31that sense, I think it does matter. And
- 00:25:33when you do engage in fear, I do think
- 00:25:36there's something to the notion that if
- 00:25:38you're resonating around shame, guilt,
- 00:25:41fear, those kinds of vibrations, that it
- 00:25:44does make you more susceptible to some
- 00:25:45kinds of forms, not necessarily
- 00:25:47biological forms that are kind of
- 00:25:49parasitic. Now, we also want to remind
- 00:25:52ourselves that we have this vast
- 00:25:54symbiosis throughout nature. And I would
- 00:25:56say not just in nature, but also
- 00:25:58energetically, right? So you think about
- 00:26:01the numbers of bacteria that are in your
- 00:26:03stomach right now and most of them have
- 00:26:05actually worked out the symbiotic
- 00:26:06relationship where it's beneficial for
- 00:26:08both sides. So this happens over and
- 00:26:11over again and again I think is is
- 00:26:12hinting at the fact that everything's
- 00:26:14all connected. So in that sense you know
- 00:26:17I would ask people to look at the farm
- 00:26:19that way. There's many ways that farming
- 00:26:22in terms of resources can be a
- 00:26:23purposefully driven positive kind of
- 00:26:26experience and it can be symbiotic. But
- 00:26:29that said, how we choose to entertain
- 00:26:31these ideas, how we engage energetically
- 00:26:34makes all the difference. Sorry. Yeah,
- 00:26:36you're right. I jumped to the prison
- 00:26:37planet when you asked about farm. So, um
- 00:26:40I've thought about this one too and I it
- 00:26:42kind of makes me laugh because exactly
- 00:26:44what you said like we are completely
- 00:26:46interdependent with all sorts of beans
- 00:26:48all the time. We've got more I think we
- 00:26:50have more parasitic beings in our body
- 00:26:52than anything else. Honestly, it cracks
- 00:26:54me up that people are always trying to
- 00:26:55clean their gut and I'm like, "Good luck
- 00:26:57with that one." and why. Um, but I early
- 00:27:00on when I heard about the luch theory
- 00:27:02and that sort of stuff, my sense was
- 00:27:04like, well, if we're producing energy in
- 00:27:07the form of emotion, which we do, humans
- 00:27:10emote all over the place as we both
- 00:27:12know. I mean, we just are just offging
- 00:27:14emotion and energy constantly. And if
- 00:27:17there's some thing out there that
- 00:27:19benefits from that, and you know, then
- 00:27:21it's attracted. like a moth attracted to
- 00:27:23light then yeah I mean of course it's
- 00:27:26going to do what it does and do I think
- 00:27:28that's a bad thing no I think if you
- 00:27:30don't like it then you need to learn how
- 00:27:31to work with your emotions and stop
- 00:27:32offgassing and I actually think that's
- 00:27:34the the one of the messages that comes
- 00:27:37in over and over to contactes is you all
- 00:27:40are really messy because you're so awake
- 00:27:43you're just you're just sending off
- 00:27:45energy in all the you're wasting it and
- 00:27:47you're not using it in the ways that are
- 00:27:49going to serve you and the collective
- 00:27:52and you're overproducing things that
- 00:27:55create distortion in your worlds and
- 00:27:57it's causing you trouble. I mean our my
- 00:28:00understand I understand that our source
- 00:28:02challenge here on this planet is our
- 00:28:04consciousness. It's not the stuff that
- 00:28:06other people are doing to us. The world
- 00:28:08looks the way it does because we're
- 00:28:10co-creating it from inside because it's
- 00:28:11starting from our mental constructs and
- 00:28:14those who would keep us asleep play to
- 00:28:16those mental constructs just to keep us
- 00:28:18collapsing the wave around the negative
- 00:28:20images. But we don't have to do that. We
- 00:28:23don't have to do that. It does take
- 00:28:24discipline. It takes some understanding.
- 00:28:26It takes some, you know, awareness and
- 00:28:29consistent practice to pull your mind
- 00:28:31back, to pull your emotions back, to
- 00:28:33kind of contain them, to get into
- 00:28:35neutral. Those are those are upper level
- 00:28:37skills. And frankly, you know, most of
- 00:28:39us can't be bothered. We just want to
- 00:28:41watch our TV and eat our Cheetos, I
- 00:28:43guess, and drink beer. And then I'm
- 00:28:45like, well, then that's on us. Like, I
- 00:28:47don't know. You want to grouse about how
- 00:28:49you're being victimized and there are
- 00:28:50people feeding on your lush, but you're
- 00:28:51like eating your Cheetos and getting
- 00:28:53pissed off and they're they're eating
- 00:28:55your, you know, your your Cheeto pissed
- 00:28:57off gas like anyway, not a great
- 00:29:01metaphor, but you get the idea. It is
- 00:29:03always always makes me kind of giggle
- 00:29:04and it also kind of irritates me. It's
- 00:29:06like it starts with us. It starts with
- 00:29:09each one of us. If we don't like it, we
- 00:29:11need to change it and then you will not
- 00:29:13have as much stuff in the atmosphere for
- 00:29:16people to feed on.
- 00:29:17Yeah, this is where that notion of
- 00:29:19quantum activism which we've referred to
- 00:29:21before comes in because a lot of people
- 00:29:23I think mistakenly believe that life is
- 00:29:25determined and the quality of life is
- 00:29:27determined by physical resources whereas
- 00:29:30I think and I know that you believe too
- 00:29:31that it all begins with energy begins
- 00:29:33with how we relate with life. How we
- 00:29:36relate with life will actually decide
- 00:29:38what collapses into reality versus
- 00:29:40something else. So this is really really
- 00:29:42key and this is something that's come up
- 00:29:44in the lore quite a bit even outside of
- 00:29:46again non-dual circles outside of new
- 00:29:49age circles is this notion that some of
- 00:29:51these beings again with a more serviceto
- 00:29:54kind of mentality. It's not about good
- 00:29:56versus evil. It's about stages of
- 00:29:57awareness. But the ones that are still
- 00:29:59thinking that they're separate and
- 00:30:01you're separate and they want to take
- 00:30:02from you because they assume either you
- 00:30:04get it or they get it, they will use
- 00:30:06this kind of shock and awe kind of
- 00:30:08mentality. And we think back to the Gulf
- 00:30:10War. I remember that was something was
- 00:30:12actually discussed. We're going to use
- 00:30:13shock and awe to basically disable the
- 00:30:16enemy. So they were so overwhelmed that
- 00:30:18they don't even know how to think
- 00:30:19straight. Basically, that's what can
- 00:30:21happen here is some of these beings can
- 00:30:23show up with really impressive
- 00:30:24technology. They can sometimes impact
- 00:30:26our perception. They can clearly do that
- 00:30:29actually. And so it's on us again to
- 00:30:32choose how we're going to energetically
- 00:30:34respond. And just because something
- 00:30:35looks bigger than us or brighter than us
- 00:30:38doesn't mean that it's inherently more
- 00:30:39powerful because ultimately we're all
- 00:30:42splinters of source. We're all
- 00:30:43energetically aligning. And this notion,
- 00:30:46if there's one thing I would want to
- 00:30:47emphasize more than anything else today,
- 00:30:49it's this notion of energetic resonance.
- 00:30:52The energy you put out will resonate
- 00:30:54with something out there. That's just a
- 00:30:56law of the universe, if you will. So,
- 00:30:58this makes a huge difference. And I
- 00:31:00think this does impact who gets impacted
- 00:31:02by which beings and why. Which again I
- 00:31:05would argue should behoove us to take
- 00:31:07our energetic wavelength very very
- 00:31:10seriously. And it comes down to what
- 00:31:11you're talking about. How we live our
- 00:31:13lives. The habits we cultivate do make
- 00:31:15all the difference when it comes to
- 00:31:17energy. And from my perspective
- 00:31:19everything that arises, every person,
- 00:31:21every event, every object is an
- 00:31:23energetic configuration. And once you
- 00:31:24see it that way and you see that you're
- 00:31:26here as a wizard to basically learn to
- 00:31:29work with energy to wield it and to
- 00:31:31transmute it, then everything changes.
- 00:31:35So that's what I think about when I
- 00:31:36think about any of these notions. So
- 00:31:39that's the farm. Now let's move on to
- 00:31:40the next one which is somewhat related
- 00:31:42but perhaps less of a negative
- 00:31:44connotation and that's the notion of a
- 00:31:46zoo. So here we have observation and
- 00:31:49experiments kind of implied. So the core
- 00:31:51idea with a zoo is that earth is like a
- 00:31:54wildlife preserve or a petri dish.
- 00:31:57Humanity is being observed rather than
- 00:31:59guided or exploited. So the key themes
- 00:32:02are non-intervention, scientific
- 00:32:04curiosity, comparative development, and
- 00:32:07this notion of a quarantine that if
- 00:32:09there's any degree of control, it's only
- 00:32:10to say that you're not ready yet to meet
- 00:32:13your galactic neighbor. So we're going
- 00:32:14to keep you in quarantine until you've
- 00:32:16matured to some degree.
- 00:32:18examples. The zoo hypothesis in
- 00:32:20astrobiology and some interpretations of
- 00:32:23UFO contact narratives kind of imply
- 00:32:25this. So what is the alien rule in the
- 00:32:27zoo kind of arrangement? They are a
- 00:32:29scientists or caretakers watching human
- 00:32:32behavior with minimal interference. So
- 00:32:35what value do you see in the zoo
- 00:32:36hypothesis?
- 00:32:38I mean I uh hard to tell. I mean I
- 00:32:41assume so. Actually this one seems kind
- 00:32:43of common sense to me. We do it. We we
- 00:32:46watch other beings that are different
- 00:32:48than us all the time. I stop and watch
- 00:32:50ants regularly because they fascinate me
- 00:32:52the way they organize. So, I don't know.
- 00:32:55This doesn't stress me out. It seems
- 00:32:57likely. Um I think that, you know, that
- 00:33:01non-inference the non-inference question
- 00:33:03is the one that I have the biggest
- 00:33:04question around because it does feel
- 00:33:06like not that there's interference, but
- 00:33:07there's some degree of involvement that
- 00:33:09seems pretty obvious. So, doesn't
- 00:33:12totally follow from that. But I do feel
- 00:33:15like it's probably likely. The big
- 00:33:18question is, is there a nefarious intent
- 00:33:19and nefarious involvement? Because if
- 00:33:21that's the case, then you start to it's
- 00:33:22a slightly different set of questions.
- 00:33:24This one doesn't speak to me of that at
- 00:33:26all. Even though lots of people will
- 00:33:28probably cast it that way as somehow
- 00:33:30wrong to to watch us. I mean, how many
- 00:33:33times have you watched your neighbors
- 00:33:35through the windows just to see what
- 00:33:37they're doing? If you have the capacity
- 00:33:39to fly to our planet and keep an eye or
- 00:33:41appear in our planet and keep an eye on
- 00:33:42us and watch how we're developing,
- 00:33:44especially if you had some involvement
- 00:33:46in who we became and who we are makes
- 00:33:50sense to me that you would do that. What
- 00:33:52about you? Does that stress you out and
- 00:33:53what how do you think about it? No, I
- 00:33:55definitely don't see it as a negative
- 00:33:57thing. I see it as fairly neutral. It's
- 00:33:59one of the most neutral of the various
- 00:34:01hypotheses. And what's interesting is
- 00:34:04what it raises in us in terms of a
- 00:34:06reaction because of course on the one
- 00:34:09hand like you say we have zoos all over
- 00:34:11the place. But suddenly when we're the
- 00:34:13one in the zoo we don't like that notion
- 00:34:15right so we have basically a double
- 00:34:17standard there when it comes to how
- 00:34:19we'll treat other species of the animal
- 00:34:21kingdom versus how we want to be
- 00:34:23treated. But even then, again, I would
- 00:34:25really argue for this notion of stages
- 00:34:27of consciousness development that are
- 00:34:29emergent over time that over time
- 00:34:31embrace ever larger spheres of care and
- 00:34:34concern. And the reason I bring that up
- 00:34:35is because we can see in human history
- 00:34:38that we've gone from being familial and
- 00:34:41only caring about our family to being
- 00:34:43tribal to having nation states to
- 00:34:45developing something like civil rights
- 00:34:47and human rights across the board and
- 00:34:50eventually even that's now moved into
- 00:34:52animal right. And the notion is that
- 00:34:54eventually you get to this point where
- 00:34:55you have a cosmoscentric perspective
- 00:34:58which is basically non-duel where you
- 00:34:59recognize that everything and everyone
- 00:35:01is an extension of you. The quarantine
- 00:35:04notion does make some sense to me
- 00:35:06although I agree with you there's some
- 00:35:08conflict here because there does seem to
- 00:35:10be some intervention. I think the way
- 00:35:12that I look at it is that the most
- 00:35:14powerful of the beings are the most
- 00:35:16benevolent actually because I think the
- 00:35:18more you align with and return to source
- 00:35:21consciousness, the more you're able to
- 00:35:23impact and basically write into the
- 00:35:25source code of reality itself. So those
- 00:35:27kind of walk handinand so the ones that
- 00:35:30are still thinking about resources and
- 00:35:33control and doineering, I'm taking it so
- 00:35:35you can't have it. There's only so much
- 00:35:37to go around. All of that is a lower
- 00:35:39form of consciousness. I think that I
- 00:35:42align with the perspective that is
- 00:35:43described in the law of one, the raw
- 00:35:45contact material. I really recommend it
- 00:35:46for those who haven't read it.
- 00:35:48Basically, it's information that's
- 00:35:50channeled through a human being coming
- 00:35:52from this collective consciousness
- 00:35:54called raw. And the notion there is that
- 00:35:58free will is really championed. So the
- 00:36:00notion is that the only way any being,
- 00:36:02any sentience across the history of the
- 00:36:04cosmos learns is through trial and
- 00:36:07error. We don't learn by someone just
- 00:36:09telling us. We actually have to
- 00:36:10experience the consequences and it cast
- 00:36:13itself in the polarities of darkness and
- 00:36:15light that you and I have talked about.
- 00:36:16Again, this is why I I move away from
- 00:36:18this notion of good versus evil and
- 00:36:20prefer stages of awareness. So from
- 00:36:22their perspective, the most benevolent
- 00:36:24ones, the most powerful ones step back
- 00:36:26and let us have our free will, not just
- 00:36:29as individuals, but as a species. And
- 00:36:31they also allow some of these midlevel
- 00:36:33kind of beings that still dominate but
- 00:36:35are maybe more technologically powerful
- 00:36:37than us. They let them step in as well.
- 00:36:39and to some degree manipulate us so that
- 00:36:42we learn not to give away our power.
- 00:36:44Right? That's part of the way that we
- 00:36:46learn. So it doesn't have to be one or
- 00:36:48the other. I sometimes hear people
- 00:36:49saying, "If there's good guys, why don't
- 00:36:51they show up and liberate everybody?"
- 00:36:53But that would be like coming into a
- 00:36:55preschool class and shutting it down
- 00:36:56because it's not being run very fairly.
- 00:36:59But then the preschool kids never
- 00:37:00actually learn. So if I think about a
- 00:37:02zoo hypothesis, I think it's a partial
- 00:37:05truth within that overarching truth
- 00:37:07about spiritual development. I really
- 00:37:09think is key here. All right, we're
- 00:37:12going to go into the next one. This one
- 00:37:13comes up a lot, especially because we
- 00:37:15have evidence arising even out of
- 00:37:17astronomy, physics, that this might be a
- 00:37:20simulation, Janice. So that leads some
- 00:37:23people to say, "Aha, what if this entire
- 00:37:26reality construct is just that? It's a
- 00:37:28construct. We're basically these beings
- 00:37:30inside a video game that some alien
- 00:37:33consciousness has come up with and we
- 00:37:35are their entertainment. So here the
- 00:37:38notion is that we live in a constructed
- 00:37:39reality. The core idea is the earth is a
- 00:37:42simulation, the entire planet, not just
- 00:37:44parts of it. And there's a designed
- 00:37:46reality with rules just like a video
- 00:37:48game with players and objectives. A key
- 00:37:51theme is that choice, illusion, avatars,
- 00:37:55leveling up, and exit strategies all
- 00:37:56come here. Like in other words, is there
- 00:37:58a way you can exit the game? And
- 00:38:00examples here, simulation theory, which
- 00:38:02is becoming more and more common.
- 00:38:05Nnosticism had this notion with the
- 00:38:07false reality basically. And we have
- 00:38:10Philip K. Dick's material, the Seth
- 00:38:12material on it goes. So the alien role
- 00:38:15here, if it's the simulation notion, is
- 00:38:17that they're like programmers or
- 00:38:18architects, civilization or reality
- 00:38:21architects if you will, or even fellow
- 00:38:23players who may be outside or above the
- 00:38:25game. So this notion of a game or
- 00:38:28simulation, how does that land for you?
- 00:38:32I think it's useful up to a point again,
- 00:38:34you know, where well, it's useful
- 00:38:36because I do think there's there's
- 00:38:37something about the creation of a a
- 00:38:39projection of a thirddimensional reality
- 00:38:42so that the soul can have this
- 00:38:44experience that is probably
- 00:38:47simulation-like, right? Um, and to the
- 00:38:51extent that I feel like my physical body
- 00:38:53isn't is a projection of my soul, my
- 00:38:56oversoul, it would be kind of an avatar
- 00:38:59in that way. Where it gets limited is
- 00:39:01like there's some sort of outside player
- 00:39:03controlling me. That makes no sense to
- 00:39:05me whatsoever. It would be more I'm
- 00:39:08coming into the game as this avatar in a
- 00:39:12landscape that is kind of like a
- 00:39:14simulation. But where it starts to break
- 00:39:16down is yeah, this locus of control
- 00:39:18isn't you. You're being there is a you.
- 00:39:20You do have a soul, but it's being
- 00:39:21controlled again. Always we go back to
- 00:39:23that someone else has got a hold of your
- 00:39:24soul. Or you're telling me I don't have
- 00:39:27a soul, but then I don't. Then we're
- 00:39:28back to like, well, what's consciousness
- 00:39:30again? We're sort of back to the very
- 00:39:32basic questions of, well, are we even
- 00:39:33sentient? You're telling me I'm AI? And
- 00:39:36then it just kind of gets silly like,
- 00:39:38well, I don't know. I can't know. It's a
- 00:39:40mouse chasing its own tail. I don't find
- 00:39:42it helpful nor do I find it comports
- 00:39:44with my experience does it doesn't
- 00:39:46comport with any of the tra teachings
- 00:39:48the oldest teachings on the planet about
- 00:39:50what this experience is it doesn't
- 00:39:52comport with you know the mystical
- 00:39:54experiences of reverence and divination
- 00:39:56and unity consciousness and other like
- 00:39:58memories and so forth so there's a whole
- 00:40:00bunch of stuff that you just have to
- 00:40:01shove if you really buy that whole thing
- 00:40:04the whole cape koodle that concept but I
- 00:40:06do think that in terms of just helping
- 00:40:07people understand like thirddimensional
- 00:40:09structures
- 00:40:11And the way that we can have the
- 00:40:13perception of a physical reality and
- 00:40:15time, for example, there's there's some
- 00:40:18utility in that. It's just that we do
- 00:40:20tend to God, humans just tend to take
- 00:40:22everything to the hill, don't we? What
- 00:40:24do you do with that? We've never
- 00:40:25actually talked about how you feel about
- 00:40:27this one. Yeah. Well, I've done a couple
- 00:40:30podcast episodes on this because there's
- 00:40:32some elements that I think land for me
- 00:40:35and some that don't. And it really comes
- 00:40:37down to nuance as is often the case
- 00:40:39because on the one hand like you kind of
- 00:40:41hinted at there you and I both would
- 00:40:43recognize that to some degree
- 00:40:45recognizing that the ultimate nature of
- 00:40:47reality is non-dual and that you have
- 00:40:50this dance between the formless and the
- 00:40:52form then from that perspective again
- 00:40:54from an ancient eastern tradition
- 00:40:56perspective basically any manifestation
- 00:40:59is simulation like and that's a key
- 00:41:01qualifier you added there right
- 00:41:03simulation like it's a kind of construct
- 00:41:06The notion of Maya is just a notion of
- 00:41:09illusion that the manifest physical
- 00:41:11world is largely elucory. Now, a key
- 00:41:13element that I always bring up in these
- 00:41:15podcasts and in my classes is that it's
- 00:41:17purposeful illusion. Though a lot of
- 00:41:19times people hear, "Oh, fake news.
- 00:41:21You're saying this is not real. Should I
- 00:41:23just like not care?" And I would say
- 00:41:25quite the opposite that this is set up
- 00:41:27for the evolution of consciousness. And
- 00:41:29we are part of the beings that set it up
- 00:41:31to begin with. We wrote the play and now
- 00:41:32we're characters in the play. This again
- 00:41:34comes down to how you identify with
- 00:41:36yourself at that oversoul level versus
- 00:41:38as a character level of Janice and
- 00:41:40Darren. But in that perspective, yes, it
- 00:41:43is kind of like a construct, but it's
- 00:41:45not nefarious, nor is it being done just
- 00:41:47for the entertainment of some alien
- 00:41:49group. I think we enjoy actually as
- 00:41:51splinters of source having all sorts of
- 00:41:53different kinds of experience, and
- 00:41:55that's indeed what this is. But again,
- 00:41:57it's purposeful. So simulation like and
- 00:42:00the reason why it's really important to
- 00:42:01qualify that is because the assumption
- 00:42:03here and this arises out of computer
- 00:42:06technology that's only been around for a
- 00:42:07few decades for us in our civilization.
- 00:42:10The notion here generally is that the
- 00:42:12aliens live in the quote unquote real
- 00:42:14world and we're the simulation that's
- 00:42:16basically copying that. And that I
- 00:42:18reject. I just don't think that's true
- 00:42:20at all. And again the irony is that from
- 00:42:22a non-dual perspective every kind of
- 00:42:24form or manifestation is simulationike.
- 00:42:27It's a construct. It's a dream in the
- 00:42:30mind of source or the mind of God, if
- 00:42:32you will. So, it works, but only with
- 00:42:34certain caveats. And again, this makes
- 00:42:36me just want to emphasize that any of
- 00:42:38these
- 00:42:39hypotheses come with assumptions baked
- 00:42:41in, right? So, what we're trying to do
- 00:42:43today and that I think we do ongoingly
- 00:42:45with our work is, you know, think
- 00:42:47through what are the axioms? What are
- 00:42:49the assumptions that give rise to this
- 00:42:51notion? All right, next one. This one is
- 00:42:54a bit of nuance because I'm going to
- 00:42:56throw a two together here and they're
- 00:42:58related and it really comes down to how
- 00:43:00you think about prison because you know
- 00:43:02there is this notion in Christian
- 00:43:05tradition for instance with prison that
- 00:43:07it's also a place that you can reform.
- 00:43:09So it's not just meant to be punishment
- 00:43:11but it's also an opportunity to reform.
- 00:43:14So let's talk about the notion of
- 00:43:17hospital/prison planet. So this could be
- 00:43:20either healing or containment or some
- 00:43:22degree of both. So the core idea here is
- 00:43:25that earth is a place for damaged or
- 00:43:27dangerous souls to be healed or
- 00:43:29quarantined. Key themes are soul
- 00:43:32rehabilitation, karmic balancing and
- 00:43:34containment of malevolent forces. So in
- 00:43:37that sense the containment would be so
- 00:43:38that we don't hurt others outside of the
- 00:43:41containment examples. Dolores Canon's
- 00:43:44work talked about this that earth is a
- 00:43:45place for troubled souls to some degree.
- 00:43:48We have the notion of a lot of people
- 00:43:49who came in. I think you and I would be
- 00:43:51on this list, Janice, in terms of our
- 00:43:53self identity. Beings that came in to
- 00:43:55help with a potential ascension and that
- 00:43:58actually the density here is pretty low.
- 00:44:00It's a pretty intense place to be even
- 00:44:03to the point where people can forget the
- 00:44:05larger context. They can come in with a
- 00:44:07mission and actually get drowned out by
- 00:44:09the density all around them. This also
- 00:44:11is to some degree referenced in you
- 00:44:14could in a stretch think about this in
- 00:44:15Buddhist cosmology with the notion of
- 00:44:17samsara. So the alien role here would be
- 00:44:20as healers or wardens or observers of a
- 00:44:24rehabilitative process. So there's a lot
- 00:44:26in here and there's a lot of nuance
- 00:44:28depending on what you really emphasize.
- 00:44:30But what do you think about this notion
- 00:44:31of hospital prison? I mean I yeah the
- 00:44:36idea that we're a bunch of damaged souls
- 00:44:37or a bunch of damaged souls end up
- 00:44:39getting sent here. I think that's my
- 00:44:41least favorite resonant one of all.
- 00:44:45Again, I think all souls are sovereign
- 00:44:48and every soul incarnates where it
- 00:44:50chooses to for its own creative purposes
- 00:44:52and that includes Earth. I will not
- 00:44:53disagree that this is a fairly dense
- 00:44:55planet. I do but I think that's part of
- 00:44:58the fun of it. It's part of the reason
- 00:44:59you come is to be really asleep and to
- 00:45:03struggle to wake up and to like be
- 00:45:04lulled back to sleep again. It's that
- 00:45:06process. That's what Baba Muktananda
- 00:45:08said as he was taking Mahasamati means
- 00:45:11he's leaving his body. He told somebody
- 00:45:13that was really fun maybe I'll do it
- 00:45:14again like start over from a rock you
- 00:45:16know and go and cuz because it's an
- 00:45:19interesting experience for this divine
- 00:45:22sliver of God this unique divine sliver
- 00:45:24of God to have the experience of slowly
- 00:45:27awakening because what else are you
- 00:45:28going to do? You're here for eternity.
- 00:45:30You might as well have experiences. So I
- 00:45:32don't find it problematic that the idea
- 00:45:35that it's a dense planet that it's easy
- 00:45:37to get very w lulled into sleep air and
- 00:45:40to stay here for stay asleep for I don't
- 00:45:42know you know long time again we're
- 00:45:44inferring time and time doesn't really
- 00:45:45exist but to have a lot of incarnations
- 00:45:47where you're really not at all in
- 00:45:49remembrance of your true nature that's
- 00:45:53just one experience to me that souls can
- 00:45:55have and uh my experience of what you
- 00:45:59said you know you refer to the category
- 00:46:01you and I had fall into as having
- 00:46:03remembrance uh when I started to have
- 00:46:05remembrance about this time that I
- 00:46:06incarnated specifically to assist in the
- 00:46:08awakening was less to liberate damaged
- 00:46:12held souls and more because it's just
- 00:46:14time. The species is ready. It's ready
- 00:46:18to begin the remembrance process at a
- 00:46:20very large level. And that's exciting.
- 00:46:22That's it's it's exciting. It's a little
- 00:46:24dicey. Uh but it's exciting because
- 00:46:28remembrance will open all sorts of new
- 00:46:30opportunities including connections with
- 00:46:32some of our neighbors that wouldn't have
- 00:46:34made sense before cuz we simply couldn't
- 00:46:37understand in that collective sleep that
- 00:46:40you know sleep the difference. It would
- 00:46:42have been like a 5-year-old trying to
- 00:46:43play with a 50-year-old. I mean, well,
- 00:46:45that actually works, but you know what I
- 00:46:46mean? Like it's just not very satisfying
- 00:46:48for the 5-year-old for long. Um or a
- 00:46:5215year-old. Just too big a gap. But
- 00:46:55we're at the point where we can begin to
- 00:46:58collectively remember. We need to
- 00:47:00collectively remember because these
- 00:47:01technologies we're creating are going to
- 00:47:03destroy us if we don't. So that's
- 00:47:05another reason. It's not just we can. It
- 00:47:06is important because we're on the verge
- 00:47:09of some pretty big grownup toys that
- 00:47:12could do a lot of damage and we may not
- 00:47:14we may really hurt ourselves and others.
- 00:47:17So there's also a necessity for humanity
- 00:47:19to come into deeper remembrance.
- 00:47:22Yeah. Yeah, I mean that one to me it
- 00:47:24really depends on what you emphasize. I
- 00:47:26do actually resonate with the notion
- 00:47:28that and you and I talked about this
- 00:47:30that actually what we call human beings
- 00:47:32are compositions of many different kinds
- 00:47:34of life forms with many different kinds
- 00:47:37of incarnations. And I think one of the
- 00:47:38most fascinating aspects of the lore and
- 00:47:40the literature is that when people are
- 00:47:42on board the craft, for instance, not
- 00:47:44just in near-death experiences when
- 00:47:45they're having a life review and
- 00:47:46remembering multiple lives, but even
- 00:47:48being on board the craft, people often
- 00:47:50remember being a gray alien or sometimes
- 00:47:52having a parallel existence as a gray
- 00:47:55alien. So, I think there's a lot more
- 00:47:57than meets the eye going on. I think a
- 00:47:59lot of the axioms we begin with really
- 00:48:01limit the landscape. But in the interest
- 00:48:04of time, let's move on to the last one
- 00:48:06we're going to discuss, which I think is
- 00:48:07more in line with what we would think.
- 00:48:09It's certainly part of it anyway. And
- 00:48:11this is the notion that the arrangement
- 00:48:14is more like the tending of a garden. So
- 00:48:17this is co-creative and nurturing in its
- 00:48:19nature. So the core idea is that earth
- 00:48:22is a co-creative sacred place like a
- 00:48:24garden that is meant to flourish under
- 00:48:27stewardship. Key themes are harmony,
- 00:48:29stewardship, the divine feminine. I have
- 00:48:32a feeling you're going to like that.
- 00:48:33Janice Gaia consciousness examples would
- 00:48:36be indigenous worldviews, permaculture
- 00:48:38philosophy, and planetary ascension
- 00:48:41narratives. The alien role here would be
- 00:48:43as elder siblings if they are indeed
- 00:48:45further along in that process or as
- 00:48:47nature spirits nurturing planetary
- 00:48:49consciousness. So, how do you think
- 00:48:52about this one of the garden in terms of
- 00:48:53a hypothesis? It resonates a lot to me
- 00:48:57partly because one of the perceptions I
- 00:48:59had when information started to really
- 00:49:01come in is that I'm part of a group of
- 00:49:03beings that that takes care of planets
- 00:49:05like this. That was kind of how I felt.
- 00:49:07I'm like, "Oh, that's interesting." I
- 00:49:08think that we tend we do that for each
- 00:49:10other. I can imagine humanity getting to
- 00:49:13the point where it also becomes, you
- 00:49:15know, big brothers, big sisters,
- 00:49:18assistance to other younger species and
- 00:49:22different planets. I suspect that's it
- 00:49:25resonates with the divine feminine
- 00:49:26instinct too because that is about
- 00:49:29caring for your children, caring for the
- 00:49:31community's children, caring for the
- 00:49:34community as a whole, caring for the
- 00:49:35globe as a whole. It's about we help
- 00:49:37each other along. And that's really just
- 00:49:39a reflection of the deeper substructure
- 00:49:41of reality in the sense that we're all
- 00:49:43connected. We're all fractals of source.
- 00:49:46Why wouldn't we? We're not separate from
- 00:49:48each other. And in a more evolved state,
- 00:49:51the desire to serve, support, care,
- 00:49:54tend, cultivate, not cultivate in terms
- 00:49:56of for resource, for your own use, but
- 00:49:59you know, to to help growth for the sake
- 00:50:01of growth, to support life for the sake
- 00:50:03of life, benefits everybody. Even
- 00:50:05whether you're that species or not, for
- 00:50:07the reason you mentioned earlier, which
- 00:50:09is we're probably all incarnated as many
- 00:50:11different species at any gi time because
- 00:50:13there no such thing as time. So you
- 00:50:15probably have many expressions going on
- 00:50:17right now that aren't just
- 00:50:18earthbound, honestly. So it to me it
- 00:50:21doesn't cause stress. Again, I'm
- 00:50:22grateful. It's like it's good to know
- 00:50:24that we have neighbors that might want
- 00:50:26to keep us from obliterating ourselves
- 00:50:28or help us out when we're got ready to
- 00:50:30step in a massive pothole and break our
- 00:50:33legs. I mean, I'm good with it. And it
- 00:50:36does feel more true to the experience
- 00:50:38that I've had as a human on this planet.
- 00:50:40both when I'm very human and when I
- 00:50:42don't feel so that do yeah absolutely I
- 00:50:46mean there's a lot that resonates here
- 00:50:48and again we can have some blending of
- 00:50:49these as well because even when you
- 00:50:51think about the notion of it being a
- 00:50:53garden and them being mostly handsoff
- 00:50:55but giving us inspirations here and
- 00:50:57there to help us move along in this
- 00:51:00understanding that we are all connected
- 00:51:03and there's nothing that teaches that
- 00:51:05like being on a planet where people go
- 00:51:07through a stage or stages where they
- 00:51:09treat the planet like a commodity to be
- 00:51:11exploited and then they see how they
- 00:51:13themselves begin to suffer because of
- 00:51:15that because there's this interconnected
- 00:51:17symbiotic kind of flow. So we are here
- 00:51:20learning about that. We are learning in
- 00:51:21real time like kids that are learning to
- 00:51:24garden outside the school how it
- 00:51:26actually works and how they're impacted
- 00:51:27by what they garden and what kind of
- 00:51:29environment they nurture. So this very
- 00:51:31much fits with me. I very much resonate
- 00:51:34with the notion that the Gaia spirit is
- 00:51:37something we need to come into greater
- 00:51:39relationship with again. I think we've
- 00:51:40fallen out of relationship with Gaia and
- 00:51:43there's all sorts of negative
- 00:51:44implications because of that. You
- 00:51:46pointed to this that basically this is
- 00:51:49something I bring up a lot in my
- 00:51:50classes. I mentioned this both in my
- 00:51:52talk in Houston and my talk in Denver
- 00:51:54recently. And that is that my really
- 00:51:57strong conviction is that pretty much
- 00:51:58all personal, interpersonal and
- 00:52:00collective challenges arise from the
- 00:52:03illusion of separation and a subset of
- 00:52:04that the illusion of scarcity. That
- 00:52:07those arise as illusions, speaking again
- 00:52:10of Maya and only when you have
- 00:52:12perspective, do you end up in the
- 00:52:14conundrum we're in right now where we're
- 00:52:15destroying ourselves by thinking we're
- 00:52:17not connected. It's kind of like an
- 00:52:19immune system revolution where your own
- 00:52:21body is reacting against itself and
- 00:52:23attacking itself. We've lost sight of
- 00:52:25the fact that we are connected to
- 00:52:27everyone and everything. And I like the
- 00:52:30notion here. It very much fits with my
- 00:52:31understanding that the more mature
- 00:52:34brothers and sisters taking many
- 00:52:36different forms. Some are biological and
- 00:52:37physical. Some are purely ethereal or
- 00:52:41non-biological. But this recognition
- 00:52:43over and over again that we're all
- 00:52:45holograms of source consciousness. The
- 00:52:47more you come into an awareness of that,
- 00:52:48the more powerful you are because the
- 00:52:50more you are aligned with the very
- 00:52:51structure of reality and the more you
- 00:52:53want to support the ongoing evolution of
- 00:52:56your brothers and sisters because you
- 00:52:58recognize they are fundamentally no more
- 00:53:00different than you. So the garden notion
- 00:53:03definitely fits with a lot of the ways
- 00:53:04that you think about this, the way that
- 00:53:06I think about this. And the most
- 00:53:08important thing is to remember that any
- 00:53:10splinter of source consciousness has in
- 00:53:12some ways equal potential. And it very
- 00:53:15much is about remembering like you said
- 00:53:17or as I like to say resonance once you
- 00:53:20realize that you are not a fixed entity
- 00:53:22but you choose by your own engagement
- 00:53:25how you're going to resonate and that
- 00:53:27will harmonically resonate with other
- 00:53:29beings other kinds of realities in this
- 00:53:31vast cosmos which is multi-dimensional.
- 00:53:34Once you realize that, that reframes
- 00:53:36every single one of these hypotheses and
- 00:53:38very much supports the notion of human
- 00:53:40sovereignty, human agency, and for that
- 00:53:42matter that's true for every kind of
- 00:53:43being across the cosmos. Any final
- 00:53:46comment before we finish off here? Yeah,
- 00:53:48I just want to jump in on that one. I
- 00:53:50think it's really important when it
- 00:53:51comes to free will, then this becomes
- 00:53:53very important because it's the
- 00:53:55perspective from where you look for the
- 00:53:59vector of free will. So if I am aware
- 00:54:01and have connection with what we might
- 00:54:03call my higher self, right? And I can
- 00:54:06slide up. That's why I think of as like
- 00:54:07a slide up. I I move my view to that
- 00:54:10broader perspective. Then I understand a
- 00:54:13lot more about why my life looks the way
- 00:54:15it looks and why it feels like my egoic
- 00:54:17self is like I wanted to choose. Like
- 00:54:21sorry it's already you already got
- 00:54:23chosen. I'm sorry I've got to have this
- 00:54:24experience. You know, but it's like the
- 00:54:27the vector or the locust of perspective
- 00:54:30really makes this whole question of free
- 00:54:32will look really different. But until
- 00:54:35you can access that well enough and stay
- 00:54:39there and are studying it because that's
- 00:54:40where the practices come in, right? This
- 00:54:42is where all the the eastern teachings
- 00:54:44are just very clear. If you want to
- 00:54:46understand what's happening here, if you
- 00:54:48even want to understand what you're
- 00:54:49doing here, and you want to understand
- 00:54:50your own unique creative impulse here,
- 00:54:53you have to learn to access that vantage
- 00:54:55point where that got designed cuz the
- 00:54:58egoic self isn't the one who designed
- 00:55:00it. So I I think that's really big and a
- 00:55:03lot of people want that, but it does
- 00:55:05take some effort to do that, to learn
- 00:55:08how to do that, to hold it and clear out
- 00:55:09the distortion so you can clear. But
- 00:55:11it's fun, you know. It's fun. I'd highly
- 00:55:13recommend it to anybody because
- 00:55:14otherwise you are just living in these
- 00:55:16three Mayas separateness. I'm I'm
- 00:55:18separate from everybody. I'm doing all
- 00:55:20this. No, you're not at all. I love
- 00:55:22that. Now it's total it's a such a
- 00:55:25pathway to surrender for me. I love that
- 00:55:27I'm not the doer. Honestly, the older I
- 00:55:29get, I'm like, great, somebody else take
- 00:55:31care of it. I'll just get up and align
- 00:55:34to it. And since I know it's myself who
- 00:55:36loves me, I don't worry about aligning
- 00:55:38to it. even if it's hard. I'm like, I
- 00:55:39know my best interests are in my in my
- 00:55:41heart, my highest self heart. And then
- 00:55:43the illusion that you're not worthy, but
- 00:55:45those are the things you can spend
- 00:55:46lifetimes sort of remembering uh and
- 00:55:50then dismantling and then everything can
- 00:55:53can shift. Everything does shift. And I
- 00:55:54think that's part of what's happening
- 00:55:55here at the large level. It's what makes
- 00:55:57it so exciting to be here right now.
- 00:55:59There's so many of us remembering and
- 00:56:03learning to move that up and everything
- 00:56:05looks different from that perspective
- 00:56:07including what are NHI neighbors or
- 00:56:11visitors or progenitors doing what's
- 00:56:14their motive because I don't think we
- 00:56:16can understand motive until we
- 00:56:17collectively understand a lot more about
- 00:56:19that realm it they'll make no sense to
- 00:56:22us at the purely egoic material realm.
- 00:56:25Yeah, absolutely. In fact, one of the
- 00:56:27things that's part of the lore again is
- 00:56:28that many of the beings will say, "If
- 00:56:30you truly understood who you are, you
- 00:56:32would understand who we are." And that's
- 00:56:34saying something I think really
- 00:56:35important. And to close off here, we're
- 00:56:37back at this notion of school or mastery
- 00:56:40training, if you will, depending on how
- 00:56:41you look at it. And this makes me think
- 00:56:43about the difference again in the
- 00:56:44non-dual traditions, a subtle difference
- 00:56:47between Maya and Leela. So Maya is
- 00:56:50illusion but in a more subtle refined
- 00:56:53kind of perspective perhaps it's seen as
- 00:56:55Leela which is the playground of spirit
- 00:56:57basically. So rather than thinking about
- 00:57:00it is it's real or it's not and I need
- 00:57:02to know think about it more like
- 00:57:04everything every manifest form every
- 00:57:06time the formless pours into the form
- 00:57:08it's for the sake of the dance the
- 00:57:10exploration and the enjoyment and that's
- 00:57:12as much true for us as co-creators as it
- 00:57:15is for any of these other beings as
- 00:57:17well. So bottom line, be aware of energy
- 00:57:20because how you align with each of these
- 00:57:22hypotheses implies an energetic
- 00:57:25arrangement, a relationship with reality
- 00:57:27and that will largely determine your
- 00:57:28reality more than anything
- 00:57:31else. All right, we thank you all for
- 00:57:33joining us and we hope you'll join again
- 00:57:35in a few weeks time for another edition
- 00:57:38of Event Horizon.
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