Waaree Energies Earnings Call for Q2FY25
Zusammenfassung
TLDRThe recent earnings conference call, organized by Orient Capital, featured War Energie's leadership discussing the company's Q2 and H1 FY2025 financial results. The management, including CEO Amit Panker, highlighted strong business foundations due to increasing global demand for solar energy, as well as initiatives in hydrogen production and energy storage systems. They detailed current and future manufacturing expansions across India and the United States aimed at boosting capacity, with particular focus on achieving 21 GW of modules and 11 GW of cell capacity in India by FY2027. The company also emphasized its diversification strategy, enhancing its technological capabilities and exploring growth in adjacent sectors, aiming for manufacturing excellence while navigating market dynamics and policy landscapes. Despite decreased export revenue and pricing adjustments, War Energies remains confident in its strategy, supported by robust order books and ongoing investment in renewable technologies.
Mitbringsel
- ๐น Hosted by Orient Capital focusing on War Energiesโ results and plans.
- ๐ Highlights on strong business fundamentals due to solar energy demand.
- ๐ Expansion goals for manufacturing capacities in India and the US.
- ๐ Diversification into energy storage and hydrogen sectors.
- ๐ Strong order book underpinning future growth expectations.
- โ๏ธ Emphasis on technology and manufacturing excellence.
- ๐ Investment in renewable energy technologies continues.
- ๐ผ Leadership team presented detailed strategic insights.
- ๐ Detailed Q&A session addressing stakeholder queries.
- ๐ฑ Commitment to sustainable energy solutions.
Zeitleiste
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The conference call begins with a welcome and introduction of the management team from OFI Energies Limited. Attendees are informed that the call is being recorded and advised to keep the presentation ready as the CEO, Mr. Amit Panker, will refer to it during his remarks. He highlights the completion of their factory in the US, updates on solar module and cell manufacturing capacities in India, and provides a brief company history and achievements.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
The presentation shifts focus to their EPC offerings and retail strategy, emphasizing the importance of solar energy due to its low cost and the strategic diversification of supply chains, notably the China plus one strategy adopted by countries like the US and India. The presenters also emphasize the Indian government's ambitious renewable energy targets and how these macroeconomic factors translate into strong demand and a substantial order book for the company.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
The company's strategic response to these market drivers includes a solid order book comprising 20 gigawatts from a diversified customer base. They highlight their robust manufacturing footprint in India and the US. New opportunities like hydrogen and battery energy storage systems are identified as crucial segments for future growth.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Continuing with manufacturing capacity, the presentation outlines existing and upcoming facilities in both India and the US, including a new plant in a Republican state of Texas. This expansion is seen as a response to growing global demand for solar power, buoyed by its position as the lowest cost energy source.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
As they move beyond solar, OFI Energies focuses on broader energy transition themes, such as green hydrogen and battery storage systems, reflecting a company strategy aimed at long-term growth and diversification. The CFO then discusses the financial results of the company, noting an increase in both revenue and earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) compared to previous periods, despite challenges.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
The Q&A session kicks off with a discussion on whether solar modules are commodities, emphasizing the technological advancements and quality assurances that differentiate their products. The conversation also covers the impact of tariffs on industry profitability, where the CEO affirms that their business model is designed to withstand changes in tariff structures.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
The focus shifts to updates on their 5.4 GW solar cell and 6 GW integrated facility projects and investment strategies around renewable infrastructure. The discussion reveals strategic moves, such as design advancements and land acquisitions, aimed at supporting expansion and maintaining a competitive edge.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Participants inquire about financial specifics, manufacturing capacities, and expected returns on investments. The CEO discusses supply chain strategies, reiterating their ability to meet demand through domestic and international operations, and assuring stakeholders of a continuously improving capacity utilization rate over time.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
The Q&A continues with insights into exports vs. domestic sales and the impact of changing international trade dynamics. The CEO reassures the continuation of aggressive strategies in markets like the US, despite prospective policy changes, and affirms that their operations are structured to maximize profitability.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Further questions delve into the robustness of their order book, especially in light of geopolitical uncertainties. The management confidently addresses concerns by highlighting secured advances and longstanding customer relationships that underpin their business outlook.
- 00:50:00 - 00:57:37
The session concludes by outlining future strategic directions, including new business ventures in battery storage and hydrogen, along with ongoing assessments of potential growth opportunities. The call ends with a general assurance of continued focus on expanding their renewable energy footprint and financial strength.
Mind Map
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Who hosted the earnings call?
The earnings call was hosted by Orient Capital.
What was the main focus of the call?
The call focused on the quarterly results of War Energies Limited and their strategic plans in renewable energy.
Who from the management team participated in this call?
Participants included CEO Amit Panker, CFO Sola Shasa, Group Financial Controller Abhishek Parik, and GM of Investor Relations Rohit W.
What specific strategic areas were discussed?
Strategic areas discussed included solar power expansion, hydrogen initiatives, and battery energy storage systems.
What is the company's capacity goal by the end of FY27?
The goal is to have 21 GW of module capacity and 11 GW of cell capacity in India, with additional capacities planned for the US.
Did the company discuss expansions outside India?
Yes, they discussed plans for expanding manufacturing capacity in the United States.
What is the company's strategy for maintaining growth?
The strategy includes expanding manufacturing capabilities, entering new markets like hydrogen and battery storage, and leveraging strong demand drivers.
Were any financial figures shared during the call?
Yes, the company reported revenue growth and higher EBITDA but specifics were not detailed in this summary.
What challenges are the company observing?
Challenges include changing energy policies, pricing pressures, and the need to scale manufacturing efficiently.
Was there a Q&A session included in the call?
Yes, participants were invited to ask questions after the presentation.
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- 00:00:0025 earnings conference call organized by
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- 00:00:21this conference is being
- 00:00:23recorded I now hand the conference over
- 00:00:26to miss Puja Swami from Orient capital
- 00:00:29thank you and over to you ma'am thank
- 00:00:32you Michelle good afternoon everybody
- 00:00:35and welcome to the Q2 and H1 fy2 earning
- 00:00:39call ofi energies limited from the
- 00:00:42management today we have with us Mr Amit
- 00:00:45panker chief executive officer Miss Sola
- 00:00:48shasa Chief Financial Officer Mr
- 00:00:51Abhishek parik group Financial
- 00:00:54controller and Mr Rohit W GM investor
- 00:00:57relations before we proceed with call I
- 00:01:00would like to give a small disclaimer
- 00:01:03that this conference call may contain a
- 00:01:05certain forward-looking statements which
- 00:01:07are based on beliefs opinions and
- 00:01:09expectations of company as of date a
- 00:01:12detailed disclaimer has also been given
- 00:01:15on the company's investor presentation
- 00:01:17which has been uploaded on the stock
- 00:01:19exchange I hope everyone had a chance to
- 00:01:22go through the results we also request
- 00:01:25you to keep the presentation handy for
- 00:01:27the call now I would like to hand over
- 00:01:30the call to Mr Amit pener for his
- 00:01:32opening remarks over to you sir thank
- 00:01:35you very much uh Miss Swami a very very
- 00:01:39good afternoon to everybody who is
- 00:01:41listening in and a warm welcome uh
- 00:01:45thanks a lot for giving us your time we
- 00:01:47are going to talk about quarterly
- 00:01:49results for war energies
- 00:01:51limited uh as we said uh if you can keep
- 00:01:55the presentation that was uploaded
- 00:01:58yesterday handy it help because I I'm
- 00:02:01going to take you through the
- 00:02:02presentation so if you look at the cover
- 00:02:05slide it shows three pictures the first
- 00:02:09picture on your left is actually of our
- 00:02:11Factory in United States it's almost
- 00:02:14nearing completion we should be having a
- 00:02:17beginning of commercial production very
- 00:02:19soon the middle picture is the picture
- 00:02:21of our Factory in chickle in Gujarat not
- 00:02:25too far from Mumbai where we are
- 00:02:27sitting there we have one of the largest
- 00:02:29concentration of solar uh PV module
- 00:02:33manufacturing and very importantly the
- 00:02:35two buildings that you will see at the
- 00:02:37back of the picture an actually 5.4 gaw
- 00:02:41cell manufacturing capacity uh that we
- 00:02:44have and it's going online even as we
- 00:02:47speak here and the last picture is
- 00:02:50representative of the almost 370 Plus
- 00:02:54stores uh that our franchises and our
- 00:02:58Channel partners that set up all across
- 00:03:00the country let's move to the Chart four
- 00:03:05which gives a a background of War of our
- 00:03:09history which we are rightly very proud
- 00:03:12of what started off as an
- 00:03:14instrumentation company mofed itself
- 00:03:17into a Solar Company by 2007 it has a
- 00:03:20good two years experience in the Solar
- 00:03:27industry we have you know I I'm going to
- 00:03:30go and fast forward to 2021 to
- 00:03:342024 we have uh 6 gwatt of pli that we
- 00:03:39have won uh sometime back and uh and and
- 00:03:43that will be operational I would say by
- 00:03:472027 the 5.4 gwatt cell that I talked
- 00:03:51about just some time back is actually
- 00:03:53also in advanced stages and we start
- 00:03:55commercial uh production fairly soon
- 00:03:59let's move to the chart five or Slide
- 00:04:01Five where uh we talk about the energy
- 00:04:06transition Journey that we are embarking
- 00:04:09ourselves
- 00:04:11upon on the solar side if you see on the
- 00:04:14left hand side of the slide here you can
- 00:04:18see a wide range of
- 00:04:20offering there are of course the
- 00:04:23normal rectangular sort of black looking
- 00:04:27modules which you will see all around
- 00:04:30our country as you drive through the
- 00:04:31countryside um that is of course a
- 00:04:34staple offering but we have got bipv or
- 00:04:38building integrated photov voltex uh we
- 00:04:42also have flexible panels where the
- 00:04:43Contours of building don't really lend
- 00:04:46themselves uh to rectangular design and
- 00:04:49when there are constraints of weight we
- 00:04:52also have
- 00:04:54offerings from a technology perspective
- 00:04:57that are Advanced topcor and ajt
- 00:05:00also our EPC offerings uh are replete uh
- 00:05:06where we do engineering procurement and
- 00:05:08Contracting uh for rooftop solar
- 00:05:11floating solar and several other types
- 00:05:13of renewable projects on the retail side
- 00:05:16an extremely important Focus for us
- 00:05:18especially given strong impetus by prime
- 00:05:20minister's suar M B Yoga it's an
- 00:05:24extremely important push for us as
- 00:05:27well we are also
- 00:05:31foring uh into
- 00:05:33hydrogen uh our electrolyzer
- 00:05:35manufacturing plants uh will be revealed
- 00:05:38also fairly soon moving to the slide
- 00:05:43six this is an important slide this is
- 00:05:47what keeps us excited this is what we
- 00:05:49would love to talk to you about this is
- 00:05:52what keeps us awake this is what keeps
- 00:05:53us energized as we go into our offices
- 00:05:56and into our
- 00:05:57factories the first and foremost on this
- 00:05:59slide is macros and demand
- 00:06:02drivers this industry actually has a lot
- 00:06:04of Tailwinds and the reason for that is
- 00:06:07very simple and
- 00:06:09straightforward solar energy is the
- 00:06:12lowest cost energy globally anywhere in
- 00:06:15the world at this point in time you can
- 00:06:18compare it with coal you can compare it
- 00:06:20with oil you can compare it with gas you
- 00:06:23can compare it with nuclear you can
- 00:06:25compare it with any other form of energy
- 00:06:28it is the cheapest source of energy
- 00:06:30available to the mankind at this point
- 00:06:33in time the other extremely important
- 00:06:36demand driver is diversification of
- 00:06:38supply chain concentration of Supply
- 00:06:40chains in one given country
- 00:06:43has a huge number of demerits and is
- 00:06:47clearly seen as Problems by many
- 00:06:50countries United States and India in
- 00:06:55particular have a strong China plus one
- 00:06:57strategy which benefits us in India we
- 00:07:00know that government has a strong 500
- 00:07:02gaw Target of renewable energy by 2030
- 00:07:06that translates to almost 60 to 70 gaws
- 00:07:09of solar power every year and this does
- 00:07:11not include areas like data center EV
- 00:07:14charging and even hydrogen boom that is
- 00:07:16expected so all of that taken together
- 00:07:19in fact 500 gaws is actually a
- 00:07:21conservative number we will actually be
- 00:07:23looking at an even larger number again
- 00:07:25very very strong demand drivers that we
- 00:07:28are looking at uh that translates to a
- 00:07:30solid healthy order book for us we stand
- 00:07:33at 20 gaw a diversified mix of
- 00:07:37customers we have exports we have launch
- 00:07:40customers we have cni customers we have
- 00:07:43retail customers so good Diversified
- 00:07:46portfolio of 20
- 00:07:47gaws and to ensure that we deliver on
- 00:07:50the strong order book we are building on
- 00:07:53robust execution skills uh which and and
- 00:07:58ultimately we would
- 00:08:00want to move towards what we call as
- 00:08:02manufacturing
- 00:08:03Excellence on the manufacturing
- 00:08:05Excellence I would just want to draw
- 00:08:07your attention on H1 production we have
- 00:08:10produced 3.3 gwatt in the first half of
- 00:08:14this year as opposed to 4.8 GW for the
- 00:08:17entire Financial year last year so that
- 00:08:20just shows you the volume growth that we
- 00:08:23have and then how do we energize growth
- 00:08:27there are other extremely important
- 00:08:30elements of energy transition which
- 00:08:33include hydrogen hydrogen policies
- 00:08:35across the country for various states
- 00:08:38are very strong and we also have a very
- 00:08:41strong central policy that's the reason
- 00:08:44why we are making fora into
- 00:08:47hydrogen the other aspect of energy
- 00:08:49transition which is extremely important
- 00:08:51is battery energy storage systems the
- 00:08:53likely driver for the same is 70 gaw
- 00:08:56hour requirement of battery energy
- 00:08:58storage system in India by the year
- 00:09:012030 so net net we have very very strong
- 00:09:06fundamentals which are translating into
- 00:09:08a strong order book what is now needed
- 00:09:11is we need to propel ourselves and
- 00:09:14execute for
- 00:09:16group which then brings me to the slide
- 00:09:19number seven another extremely important
- 00:09:22chart where we will start taking a
- 00:09:25deeper dive into the market
- 00:09:28dynamics we we talked about the fact
- 00:09:30right
- 00:09:32now that at this point in time the
- 00:09:34Dynamics look good but how does it look
- 00:09:35in the future if you look towards the
- 00:09:38chart on your left hand side top of the
- 00:09:40screen it shows the amount of decline in
- 00:09:43the prices that have happened on the
- 00:09:45solar as well as battery side in cents
- 00:09:47per Watt peak we are hovering somewhere
- 00:09:49around 15 to 17 cents per Watt peak and
- 00:09:52in batteries it's almost $70 odd dollars
- 00:09:54per kilowatt hours in the last eight
- 00:09:57decades we have seen a lot of last eight
- 00:10:00years we have seen 80% decline a
- 00:10:03combination of these two solar and
- 00:10:06batteries is actually going to be one of
- 00:10:08the best solutions for firm and
- 00:10:11dispatchable renewable energy globally
- 00:10:14we are extremely uh seeing an extremely
- 00:10:17impressive growth solar capacity is
- 00:10:19going to reach 7.2 terawatts by 2030 and
- 00:10:23the job creation in this sector is
- 00:10:26highest among the entire uh elements
- 00:10:29other elements of energy
- 00:10:31sectors India has taken some very strong
- 00:10:34steps for atal bat we already know that
- 00:10:38there is basic customs duty on modules
- 00:10:41which is a tariff barrier and almm or
- 00:10:45approved list of models and
- 00:10:46manufacturers which is a non-tariff
- 00:10:48barrier right now almm is applicable to
- 00:10:51modules but soon by 2026 it will be
- 00:10:54applicable for sales as well the PM suar
- 00:10:58m b Roa is going to add almost 30 gaw of
- 00:11:02requirement in the Solar sector and the
- 00:11:05PM kusum scheme which benefits the
- 00:11:07agricultural sector is also going to add
- 00:11:09another 35
- 00:11:11gws solar ladies and gentlemen therefore
- 00:11:15is a multi-decadal growth
- 00:11:18story and we have just started the
- 00:11:21journey I would like to emphasize that
- 00:11:24this is a multi-decadal growth
- 00:11:26story on slide eight
- 00:11:30let's look at our order book how does it
- 00:11:31look like I've already said it is 20 gaw
- 00:11:35strong it's a global customer base the
- 00:11:39two most important markets for us are
- 00:11:41India and United States as of September
- 00:11:442024 we were 27.5% of domestic and 72.5%
- 00:11:48of overseas which also points out at a
- 00:11:51strong healthy order book a profitable
- 00:11:54book as we move out into the future
- 00:11:57Channel Partners or
- 00:12:00franchises is a way in which we will
- 00:12:02cover the length and breadth of our vast
- 00:12:05country from a retail
- 00:12:07perspective the retail Outlook is strong
- 00:12:10we are at almost
- 00:12:1323% uh of retail for the overall
- 00:12:16business at this point in time and it
- 00:12:17has got a massive potential to grow out
- 00:12:20into the
- 00:12:21future on the mix of customer there are
- 00:12:25the three top customer segments
- 00:12:27utilities commercials industrial and CC
- 00:12:29can be clustered as what we call as cam
- 00:12:32or k
- 00:12:33accounts and then export forms a fairly
- 00:12:37large part of our
- 00:12:38mix so opportunities are there they are
- 00:12:42growing and they are all across the
- 00:12:44world and we are chasing them and we
- 00:12:47will continue to chase them so how do we
- 00:12:50cater to this large opportunity base
- 00:12:53that we have we have to ensure that we
- 00:12:56have a very robust manufacturing
- 00:12:58footprint and that brings me to the
- 00:13:00slide number
- 00:13:03nine if you go to the slide number nine
- 00:13:07it shows we have 12 gaw of capacity
- 00:13:10presently that is distributed across uh
- 00:13:14uh India the 12 gaws is is in the Mumbai
- 00:13:18Surat belt in pum nandigram chii and
- 00:13:22Surat chii being the biggest for us Indo
- 00:13:26solar which is in groa is one .3 gaw of
- 00:13:30capacity it started its operations in
- 00:13:32July this year and is ramping up very
- 00:13:34very nicely as we speak in the United
- 00:13:37States we have 1.6 gwatt of model
- 00:13:40manufacturing facility but 1.6 uh which
- 00:13:43is coming up of course it's not online
- 00:13:45on stream right now it's uh uh it's in
- 00:13:49uh in a in a town uh close to Houston in
- 00:13:53United States in
- 00:13:54Texas we are going to be inaugurating it
- 00:13:58sometime in February we should be
- 00:13:59starting the commercial operations I
- 00:14:01would say fairly soon here by the end of
- 00:14:03January we have a 5.4 gaw of cell
- 00:14:07capacity in chii that is coming up again
- 00:14:09as we speak a six gaws of integrated
- 00:14:13facility in odisha is also planned it's
- 00:14:16actually in Fairly Advanced stages of
- 00:14:18planning we already have 595 acres of
- 00:14:21land alloted allotted to us another 400
- 00:14:24acres is being allotted very soon uh
- 00:14:28from design perspective we are in
- 00:14:30advanced stages the primary contracts
- 00:14:33related to design are already awarded
- 00:14:35and the long lead items are being
- 00:14:37negotiated as we speak solar
- 00:14:41cells um you know this the 5.4 gaws as
- 00:14:45we talked about we are actually
- 00:14:48commissioning the cell facility at this
- 00:14:50at this point in time dry of the cells
- 00:14:53has
- 00:14:54begun uh we should be having commercial
- 00:14:56operations commencing I would say middle
- 00:14:59of
- 00:15:00December for the us we have future
- 00:15:03capacity in mind 3.4 gaw of additional
- 00:15:06module capacity and potentially 5 gaw of
- 00:15:09cell capacity all of this is under
- 00:15:12evaluation we are constantly observing
- 00:15:15and monitoring the situation in United
- 00:15:17States extremely bullish about United
- 00:15:20States extremely positive about the
- 00:15:21market in United States irrespective of
- 00:15:24the
- 00:15:26dispensation one fact will always remain
- 00:15:30and that is the primary demand driver of
- 00:15:33lowcost energy and solar power as we
- 00:15:36have established is the lowest cost
- 00:15:39power available to mankind at this point
- 00:15:41in
- 00:15:42time we believe that is going to propel
- 00:15:45growth in United States and therefore we
- 00:15:47remain committed to United
- 00:15:50States on the right hand side uh of the
- 00:15:54uh of the slide there bottom uh we it
- 00:15:57just shows the way which our module
- 00:16:00capacity and the cell capacities are
- 00:16:01going to build this uh chart here is
- 00:16:05primarily for India you need to add the
- 00:16:08United States capacities which are uh
- 00:16:10shown on the left hand side to have a
- 00:16:12complete understanding of where we we be
- 00:16:15uh in uh 25 as we end the year we will
- 00:16:18be having 13.3 gaws in India 1.6 uh in
- 00:16:23the US so that would make it a total of
- 00:16:2515 gaws by the end of uh this financial
- 00:16:28year and by the end of financial year 27
- 00:16:31in India we will be having 21 gwatt of
- 00:16:34module capacity and 11 gaws of cell
- 00:16:36capacity and then of course you can add
- 00:16:38to that um the the module capacity and
- 00:16:41the cell capacity that will potentially
- 00:16:43get added in the United States going to
- 00:16:46slide 10 uh we are not going to stop at
- 00:16:51solar why is
- 00:16:53ambition is to move towards a broader
- 00:16:57energy transition theme
- 00:16:59and that's the reason why we are foring
- 00:17:01into green hydrogen and battery energy
- 00:17:03storage systems our electrolyzer
- 00:17:06manufacturing plan is in advanced stages
- 00:17:08and we should be in a position to
- 00:17:10communicate the same to you in the next
- 00:17:12two months time we are getting into
- 00:17:14Renewable Power infrastructure our board
- 00:17:17has just sanctioned 600 crores of
- 00:17:19investment for this particular fora
- 00:17:21which we are going to use for
- 00:17:23connectivity and
- 00:17:26forbidding the broader energy transition
- 00:17:29and other important elements of energy
- 00:17:33transition are something that we're
- 00:17:35going to drive towards um
- 00:17:38solar is where got us here and it is
- 00:17:42these other broader energy transition
- 00:17:44themes which will drive the present and
- 00:17:48the future growth for this organization
- 00:17:50not to mention solar itself is a big
- 00:17:53growth driver with that ladies and
- 00:17:55gentlemen uh thank you for a patient
- 00:17:57listening I'm now going to hand it over
- 00:17:59to Sono our Chief Financial Officer for
- 00:18:03financials thank you Amit and good
- 00:18:06afternoon to all and welcome to the
- 00:18:08earnings call uh moving on to the
- 00:18:10financial performance of the company on
- 00:18:13Consolidated basis we have reported a
- 00:18:16revenue of
- 00:18:1836,6 34.6 3 million in the quarter and
- 00:18:22increase of about
- 00:18:252.95% year on year for Abida in Q2 fi25
- 00:18:30the number is
- 00:18:3361393 s million and increase of about
- 00:18:3714% year on year with an Abida margin of
- 00:18:5516.76% year on-year basis
- 00:18:59talking about our H2 performance sorry
- 00:19:03H1
- 00:19:04performance we have reported revenues of
- 00:19:08rupees
- 00:19:1171,543 million in bh1 an increase of
- 00:19:16about
- 00:19:172.67 year on-year basis aidda in H1 is
- 00:19:23close to 12,
- 00:19:2553926 million and increase of about
- 00:19:28about
- 00:19:2914.74% over previous year with a abda
- 00:19:33margin of
- 00:19:4117.51%
- 00:19:43million a growth of about
- 00:19:4717.90% year on-year
- 00:19:50basis with that maybe we can take some
- 00:19:53questions thank you very much ma'am we
- 00:19:56will now begin with the question and
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- 00:20:26assemble the first question is from the
- 00:20:29line of Varon G from value Quest please
- 00:20:32go
- 00:20:33ahead yes uh good afternoon everybody
- 00:20:36then the first one thank you Amit G for
- 00:20:39such a articulate and uh very well laid
- 00:20:43out scenario for us uh welcome to the
- 00:20:47maiden conall uh really congratul toes B
- 00:20:51and the entire V team for reaching so
- 00:20:53far I think Bari has always made the all
- 00:20:57stakeholders proud uh I have two basic
- 00:21:00questions one there is a common
- 00:21:02misconception that uh modules are a
- 00:21:06commodity uh so I thought this would be
- 00:21:10good to understand what is the value
- 00:21:12addition that we do uh how technical is
- 00:21:15the product given we Supply to uh some
- 00:21:19Global
- 00:21:20utilities uh how do customers look at
- 00:21:23our product versus uh somebody uh who is
- 00:21:26probably new in the business or there
- 00:21:29are so many new
- 00:21:30entrance uh so I I was trying to
- 00:21:34understand is this really a commodity or
- 00:21:35is it you know something that only few
- 00:21:38of us can
- 00:21:39manufacture and second is uh there is
- 00:21:42again a perception that uh the industry
- 00:21:45is uh only driven by uh profits that are
- 00:21:50protected through tariffs and here again
- 00:21:53I would love your clarification on uh
- 00:21:57one the need for
- 00:21:59or how do we see this playing out and
- 00:22:02you
- 00:22:03know
- 00:22:06industry on capital is not just maybe
- 00:22:09based on tariffs and there are several
- 00:22:11other adjacent
- 00:22:13opportunities already mentioned thank
- 00:22:15you so much and I'll come back in the
- 00:22:17queue for more
- 00:22:19questions Great War thank you very much
- 00:22:22extremely uh good question on commodity
- 00:22:27and should we call module as a commodity
- 00:22:29my answer to that is a resounding no it
- 00:22:33is not a commodity um two extremely
- 00:22:37important factors we need to remember um
- 00:22:40when we talk about solar modules the
- 00:22:42technology involved in
- 00:22:45manufacturing is extremely
- 00:22:48evolved uh the cell you know which is
- 00:22:52one of the most important and uh and I
- 00:22:54would say difficult to manufacture from
- 00:22:57a technology persective is where um lot
- 00:23:01of the efficiency drivers lie right and
- 00:23:05that cell technology has been evolving
- 00:23:07in the cycle of every three years you
- 00:23:10know so monopo to topc um you know we
- 00:23:13could be staring at hjt and then tandem
- 00:23:16self which will just take the efficiency
- 00:23:18to a next orbit so every three years you
- 00:23:21will see a new Evolution and any module
- 00:23:26manufacturer who wants to
- 00:23:29be relevant into the future will need to
- 00:23:33in their plan have a full technology
- 00:23:36road map in them in fact we at wari we
- 00:23:40actually depreciate all of our
- 00:23:41manufacturing equipment in three years
- 00:23:44time to accommodate for all these large
- 00:23:47technology waves that keep happening and
- 00:23:49that's why you have to keep yourself
- 00:23:50fresh and so technology is an extremely
- 00:23:53important reason why modules are not a
- 00:23:56commodity the second Reon
- 00:23:59reason um that we should and and whilst
- 00:24:02on whilst on technology I would also
- 00:24:05like to uh emphasize that with
- 00:24:07technology comes quality and
- 00:24:09certification and to be uh you know
- 00:24:13accepted in India and also in markets
- 00:24:17like United States you need specific
- 00:24:19certification which comes with years of
- 00:24:22experience which comes with quality
- 00:24:23which is demonstrated and uh uh and and
- 00:24:27not just demonstrated once demonstrated
- 00:24:29over a period of time that will Define
- 00:24:31the bankability of your solar panel on
- 00:24:35the tariffs it's uh it's extremely
- 00:24:38important to note that everything that
- 00:24:41we uh everything that we uh do from a
- 00:24:45business and a model perspective uh is
- 00:24:48agnostic to tariffs so all of our
- 00:24:49business plans are built to stand on
- 00:24:52their own so even if the tariffs
- 00:24:55tomorrow are removed they should stand
- 00:24:57on their own feet
- 00:24:59whether it's in India or whether it's in
- 00:25:00United States uh of course what happens
- 00:25:04is when you have tariff and non-tariff
- 00:25:05barriers it creates an ecosystem of
- 00:25:08growth and creates ATA from an India
- 00:25:12perspective and I think from that uh
- 00:25:14sense it is extremely important and it
- 00:25:16incubates uh the whole um you know the
- 00:25:19whole uh industry I would say you know
- 00:25:22going back to the commodity and moduls I
- 00:25:26I would like to add one more point where
- 00:25:28where um there are other types of
- 00:25:31modules you know solar modules I talked
- 00:25:33about it it's building integrated photo
- 00:25:35voltex is you know flexible panels all
- 00:25:38of these require a technology at a
- 00:25:40totally different level and these are
- 00:25:43just beginning I would say so thank you
- 00:25:47very much for the
- 00:25:48question thank you so
- 00:25:52much thank you the next question is from
- 00:25:55the line of honna from nura please go
- 00:25:59ahead hi sir uh thank you for taking my
- 00:26:01questions and congrats on the great set
- 00:26:03of numbers uh sir first if you could uh
- 00:26:06share some updates on the progress on
- 00:26:08both the 5.4 GW cell facility and the 6
- 00:26:10gaw integrated facility uh you
- 00:26:13definitely mentioned December could we
- 00:26:14get some updates on the six EAB facility
- 00:26:17are you on track from maintaining those
- 00:26:18Tims and uh related to this how much is
- 00:26:21the total spend for both of these plants
- 00:26:23now uh secondly uh you'll mention that
- 00:26:26you are investing about 600 Ro or are in
- 00:26:29front bidding uh can you help us
- 00:26:32understand what's the long-term strategy
- 00:26:33for the company over here and let's say
- 00:26:36more on a medium-term basis what is the
- 00:26:38targeted capacity that you want to hit
- 00:26:41for um re infra or let's say bidding Ty
- 00:26:44things uh also what would be the typical
- 00:26:47kex needed for this in the coming years
- 00:26:50uh I would assume that you know given
- 00:26:51that we are a large module manufacturing
- 00:26:53capacity we have significant advantages
- 00:26:56versus other players who are the hearing
- 00:26:58these modules from outside could you
- 00:27:00help us understand this piece of the
- 00:27:01business a bit better I'll come back in
- 00:27:03the que for further questions thank
- 00:27:06you great um hon thank you very much for
- 00:27:10the questions um I did talk briefly
- 00:27:12about the 5.4 gwatt sale facility that
- 00:27:15is coming up in chii there's good news
- 00:27:17there as we speak um you know the pilot
- 00:27:21runs for Sals is already up um um you
- 00:27:26know parts and pieces of the equipment
- 00:27:28are being tested uh we I I would believe
- 00:27:32that we should be in a position to
- 00:27:34declare uh commercial operations to be
- 00:27:37up and running somewhere in the second
- 00:27:39half of December uh that's for five 5.4
- 00:27:43gwatt cell plant uh for the six gws of
- 00:27:47uh inps and rers
- 00:27:49Manufacturing um I would
- 00:27:52say again I talked about it in the
- 00:27:55presentation uh number one are
- 00:28:00uh uh
- 00:28:01design contracts have already been given
- 00:28:04they have already been awarded so and
- 00:28:06then the design is in it in its Advanced
- 00:28:09stages uh on ground on the land cutting
- 00:28:12and filling of the land is going on as
- 00:28:13we speak the boundary walls have already
- 00:28:15come up uh and so things are moving
- 00:28:18fairly fast there are some long lead
- 00:28:20items which need to be ordered now and
- 00:28:24those are being negotiated also so it's
- 00:28:26moving in the right direction uh I would
- 00:28:28say we will start commercial operations
- 00:28:31somewhere uh in the FY 27 time frame uh
- 00:28:35for the 6 GA facility as far as the um
- 00:28:39uh 600 CR uh investment is concerned uh
- 00:28:43it is essentially for land and for
- 00:28:46connectivity um we are looking at how do
- 00:28:50we provide OneStop solution for our
- 00:28:53customers uh from the perspective of uh
- 00:28:57uh maybe
- 00:28:58APC contracts um maybe um overall
- 00:29:03offerings for Renewable Power projects
- 00:29:05so this is uh therefore an initial trch
- 00:29:09that we are given uh as this business uh
- 00:29:13starts getting more and more fructified
- 00:29:15we will be in a position to come and
- 00:29:16tell you about the
- 00:29:19details got it sir and thanks for that
- 00:29:22just to get a sense on what is the
- 00:29:23overall spend for the 5.4 and six reward
- 00:29:26facility as of now
- 00:29:30yeah um so basically for the cell
- 00:29:33facility uh We've almost completed our
- 00:29:36CAPIC which is about 2,400 and you know
- 00:29:40thereabouts and for the new CAPIC which
- 00:29:43is ongoing initial spends have been made
- 00:29:46for about 300 crores important thanks so
- 00:29:50much I'll come back in the for
- 00:29:52f thank you we'll take the next question
- 00:29:56from the line of pratique Kumar from
- 00:29:57jeffre freeze please go
- 00:30:01ahead hello yeah good morning uh good
- 00:30:04morning sir my first question is on uh
- 00:30:06the cell capacity again so you said
- 00:30:09December onwards you start expected to
- 00:30:12start commissioning of the project uh uh
- 00:30:15so I remember you talking about 1.4
- 00:30:18gwatt commissioning initially then
- 00:30:20remaining 4 gaw to was to Commission in
- 00:30:22March so now everything is accelerated
- 00:30:24to to December in terms of commissioning
- 00:30:27and related question is is there like
- 00:30:29specific testing like if you want to
- 00:30:31sell uh these sales in US is there any
- 00:30:35specific timelines for testing which the
- 00:30:39buyer may want to uh to to do and then
- 00:30:42only he will end up buying the product
- 00:30:44or there's no real uh timeline you can
- 00:30:47immediately start selling the product is
- 00:30:49the first
- 00:30:50question uh great pratique thank you
- 00:30:52very much for the question uh you
- 00:30:54remember it correctly 1.4 gaws is what
- 00:30:57we trying to switch on first uh which is
- 00:31:01uh what I would say we'll get into
- 00:31:03commercial production somewhere in
- 00:31:04December our goal continues to be that
- 00:31:09by March of 2025 we will have the entire
- 00:31:115.4 gws so 1.4 gaw of monopar and 4 gaw
- 00:31:16of topcor cell capacity should be uh up
- 00:31:20and running uh and in various stages of
- 00:31:23maturation so the the first few lines
- 00:31:26which will be switched on uh in anytime
- 00:31:28now would have stabilized by then and uh
- 00:31:32maybe the later lines will need to
- 00:31:34stabilize uh on the question of what
- 00:31:37kind of testing is required um you know
- 00:31:40there are specified standards and all
- 00:31:42the specified uh uh uh tests as per the
- 00:31:45standard we already have the capability
- 00:31:48with us so all the customer inspections
- 00:31:50all the customer related requirements we
- 00:31:53will be in a position to fulfill them
- 00:31:55within our Factory itself uh for for its
- 00:31:58quality for its efficiency and so on and
- 00:32:00so forth and uh and that way we'll be
- 00:32:04able to use our own cell in our old
- 00:32:06modules within India as well as in the
- 00:32:08United
- 00:32:12States uh yeah so my question was uh
- 00:32:15like would that be available for sale I
- 00:32:17mean what is the kind of ramp up you are
- 00:32:19expecting in f26 let's say for the S
- 00:32:22manufacturing so for uh so for this
- 00:32:25fiscal I would say we would be in the
- 00:32:28region of around uh um around 100
- 00:32:31megawatts uh being conservative that
- 00:32:33will be U the uh the kind of directional
- 00:32:36number that you would be looking at by
- 00:32:38of course next financial year uh I would
- 00:32:41say in the first couple of months we
- 00:32:43would have a reasonably fully ramped up
- 00:32:45facility and so one could expect for the
- 00:32:48first year of operation anywhere between
- 00:32:5060% or uh of of capacity utilization
- 00:32:56fact okay
- 00:32:58uh my second question is on uh your
- 00:33:00Abida growth X other income which is
- 00:33:02like sort of bit slower side in this
- 00:33:05quarter and revenues also so is this
- 00:33:07material change in US mix which has
- 00:33:09happened which was like probably higher
- 00:33:11profitable and which has impacted the
- 00:33:13beta growth this
- 00:33:14quarter yes so you're absolutely right I
- 00:33:17mean uh last year are in the mix the
- 00:33:21exports were much larger than uh
- 00:33:24domestic production and that has almost
- 00:33:26completely flipped in this uh in this
- 00:33:28year uh and of course um the pricing and
- 00:33:32pricing has also changed so those are
- 00:33:34the two reasons why you would see um you
- 00:33:37know an overall reduction or frankly
- 00:33:41even on the revenue side as well as on
- 00:33:43the uh on the Ia side I'll have personal
- 00:33:47comment on the exact numbers yeah I I
- 00:33:49just want to point out a couple of
- 00:33:51things here so while you see the revenue
- 00:33:53uh is about
- 00:33:551% uh if you look at the expense line
- 00:33:57also so it is you know contained and
- 00:33:59it's stagnant and in between if you see
- 00:34:02we have managed the cogs margin pretty
- 00:34:05well and that has expanded by almost 5%
- 00:34:09so while the prices of module also come
- 00:34:12down inputs also come down so you know
- 00:34:14we have to look at the margin and that's
- 00:34:16what we have managed in this quarter and
- 00:34:18we'll continue to focus on it in the
- 00:34:19coming
- 00:34:21we thank you very much
- 00:34:24P sir can you give the US mix or export
- 00:34:27mix in this year and last year and maybe
- 00:34:29in
- 00:34:30this the quarter
- 00:34:34one uh so again uh directionally last
- 00:34:38year uh we were around 60% and this year
- 00:34:41we are around
- 00:34:4427% sure thank you from St
- 00:34:47perspective thank you I'll get to the
- 00:34:49queue thank you thank you we'll take the
- 00:34:52next question from the line of Deepak
- 00:34:54Krishnan from kotk institutional
- 00:34:57equities please go
- 00:34:58ahead hi sir am I
- 00:35:01audible yes please just yes yes so I
- 00:35:04just wanted to sort of understand I
- 00:35:06think we are at a pretty Advanced stage
- 00:35:07for the 1.4 gaw in the US but the
- 00:35:10further capacity
- 00:35:12expansions how are we looking at it uh
- 00:35:15you know with you know what could be the
- 00:35:17potential CH challenges or positives
- 00:35:19that we are looking at from an IRA
- 00:35:20perspective do we still require Ira to
- 00:35:23go ahead with that or we will be in a
- 00:35:26wait and watch mode and once there is
- 00:35:28only policy uncertainty that's when
- 00:35:30we'll sort of go and expand over
- 00:35:34there uh deep a great question on the
- 00:35:37United States United States we are
- 00:35:39extremely committed to United States
- 00:35:41it's a it's a big Market it is a growing
- 00:35:44market and uh we will approach this
- 00:35:47Market with a certain amount of
- 00:35:48aggression which we already have in the
- 00:35:51past uh and so therefore um uh you know
- 00:35:55are we going to red use uh the gas or I
- 00:36:00would say maybe gas is the wrong eism to
- 00:36:02be used here but um you know are we
- 00:36:05going to reduce the acceleration there
- 00:36:07the answer to that is absolutely no
- 00:36:09having said that the additional 3.4 gaw
- 00:36:12capacity and uh you know potentially 5
- 00:36:15gwatt cell capacity we will definitely
- 00:36:18look at uh how the policy landscape
- 00:36:22evolves given the change of dispensation
- 00:36:24there uh it's important for us to know
- 00:36:28on on in in which direction it is moving
- 00:36:31uh and no sooner that Clarity comes up
- 00:36:34you know we will we will continue our on
- 00:36:36our expansion screen the most important
- 00:36:39factor we need to remember here is that
- 00:36:41solar energy is the cheapest form of
- 00:36:43energy and so that will ensure that
- 00:36:47United States and the various states
- 00:36:50which form the United States uh will
- 00:36:53actually aggressively move forward
- 00:36:54towards that our Factory actually is in
- 00:36:56Texas which as you know is a Republican
- 00:36:59state uh but um if you look at which is
- 00:37:02the state which has actually added the
- 00:37:04largest amount of solar capacity uh last
- 00:37:07year the answer is Texas at 6.5 gaws so
- 00:37:11our our hopes are Pinn on a fairly large
- 00:37:14US market as we move
- 00:37:17forward uh sure maybe just a followup to
- 00:37:19that so if I look at the quarter
- 00:37:21obviously you indicated one is 27% is
- 00:37:23exposed that's indirectly impacted our
- 00:37:26realizations also domestic SP up but for
- 00:37:29the full year how are we targeting in
- 00:37:32terms of export and domestic mix and for
- 00:37:34the 13.3 gaw capacity we have what is
- 00:37:38the rough production numbers that you're
- 00:37:39sort of targeting
- 00:37:42for25 so uh from the mix you know this
- 00:37:47particular year is going to be a bit of
- 00:37:49a uh year which is Weir more towards
- 00:37:52domestic so the pattern uh may not
- 00:37:55change substant ially maybe a little
- 00:37:59more of exports from where we stand but
- 00:38:01the pattern may not dramatically
- 00:38:06change uh sure and maybe just wanted to
- 00:38:09understand the 600 CR investment you are
- 00:38:11doing uh would that be into renewable
- 00:38:14IPS or what are we sort of investing the
- 00:38:17600 odd crores or would we get into ipv
- 00:38:20business or these are just adjacencies
- 00:38:22to you know sort of help us uh expand
- 00:38:25our present in module as well as sort of
- 00:38:27d
- 00:38:29uh it it is all of the above it would
- 00:38:32mean uh you know potentially looking at
- 00:38:35uh at uh um you know uh land and
- 00:38:38connectivity for our own self at the
- 00:38:40same time for IP type of a
- 00:38:44business uh sure sir those are my
- 00:38:46questions and best of luck for future
- 00:38:49thank you very much de thank you the
- 00:38:52next question is from the line of suban
- 00:38:54yadav from SBI life insurance please go
- 00:38:56ahead
- 00:38:58uh sir as you mentioned the mix change
- 00:39:01this year to around
- 00:39:0427% is it because of intern competition
- 00:39:07from the Southeast Asian country where
- 00:39:11it is expected that some Duty will be
- 00:39:13led there and hence the inventory built
- 00:39:16up might has happened from their side or
- 00:39:19is
- 00:39:20it the our cost is a bit higher than the
- 00:39:24their sell cost module cost if you can
- 00:39:26put some on this and going ahead how do
- 00:39:29you see the next six Monon
- 00:39:32export for
- 00:39:34us uh Mr super thank you very much for
- 00:39:37the question a very pertinent question
- 00:39:41uh the reduction is definitely not
- 00:39:45because of competition uh it is actually
- 00:39:49just a point in time if you see even
- 00:39:52today our AUD book actually uh there is
- 00:39:54a preponderance of uh of uh
- 00:39:57exports in our in our AUD book mix at
- 00:40:00this point in time so it's definitely
- 00:40:02not because of Any structural reasons of
- 00:40:05pricing uh it is just a cycle that you
- 00:40:08go through you'll see that in the next
- 00:40:10year things will be different uh and and
- 00:40:14and it'll keep evolving as we move
- 00:40:17forward okay and so can you just give us
- 00:40:20some figure on the pricing of the module
- 00:40:23how much it has come down Vis next year
- 00:40:25and this year
- 00:40:28so uh you know last year for the US
- 00:40:32realizations were in the region of 283
- 00:40:35cents uh and this year they are kind of
- 00:40:38uh approaching towards somewhere around
- 00:40:4024 cents or so uh and for India um you
- 00:40:45know from around 21 cents or so they are
- 00:40:48approaching to around 17 OD cents Ball
- 00:40:52Park
- 00:40:53numbers okay okay uh great thank you
- 00:40:58thank you very
- 00:40:59much thank you the next question is from
- 00:41:03the line of ashishan LA from invest qpms
- 00:41:06please go
- 00:41:07ahead yeah uh sir the coted capacity
- 00:41:11that you mentioned around 12 gabes and
- 00:41:15the numbers that we spoke about I think
- 00:41:17um um 3.3 GB for the first half so this
- 00:41:21would maybe 50% on the utilization
- 00:41:24roughly maybe so can you explain me the
- 00:41:26why the demand you say is very very
- 00:41:28strong so why this
- 00:41:31situation so
- 00:41:33utilization uh is not because of the
- 00:41:36fact that the lines are idle it's
- 00:41:39actually because of various factors I
- 00:41:42mean in fact our factories are running
- 00:41:4324 by7 so it is not the utilizing
- 00:41:46Factory is not less because of lack of
- 00:41:49customers or lack of demand it is
- 00:41:52because the way you manage your factory
- 00:41:54it is because the the type of demand
- 00:41:57the changeovers that are
- 00:41:59required U that kind of leads us to the
- 00:42:03utilization factor of as you rightly
- 00:42:04calculated somewhere around 50
- 00:42:0660% uh and so that uh at any given point
- 00:42:11the the 12 gaw that you coted as a name
- 00:42:13plate capacity and typically you know
- 00:42:16you don't get to that point uh you know
- 00:42:19if everything remains constant and you
- 00:42:21can run the factories 24x7 without any
- 00:42:23changes without any holidays um you know
- 00:42:28you can get to maybe 70 80% of that
- 00:42:31capacity um at this point in time what
- 00:42:34happens is that some of the lines are
- 00:42:36for a given particular customer some
- 00:42:39customers want monopo some customers
- 00:42:41want popcorn and that will require
- 00:42:43changes of lines and each time a line
- 00:42:46changes there are certain number of days
- 00:42:49which are lost in production and that is
- 00:42:52what uh leads to U this uh utilization
- 00:42:56rate
- 00:42:58uh our constant Endeavor is to actually
- 00:43:01keep getting better and better at that
- 00:43:03so if you see from last year onwards uh
- 00:43:05to this year it's been a very
- 00:43:07substantial jump in our utilization and
- 00:43:09you'll keep seeing that the capacity
- 00:43:11utilization will keep getting better and
- 00:43:13better because of better
- 00:43:15plan okay uh secondly this 20 G of a
- 00:43:19reset so how much is Us in that and
- 00:43:23uh I mean is is it uh in line with the
- 00:43:28cell capacities that we are putting in
- 00:43:30because the cell capacities seem to be
- 00:43:32much lower if us is a bigger portion of
- 00:43:35that so we are at
- 00:43:3772% uh of the order book is United
- 00:43:40States at this point in time the cell
- 00:43:42capacity uh is not going to be so much
- 00:43:45of a limitation the
- 00:43:47entac be for internal purposes both for
- 00:43:50India and for United States uh we will
- 00:43:53still not be producing enough sales for
- 00:43:55our own internal consum
- 00:43:57for the United States uh you know we
- 00:43:59will be taking uh sales from
- 00:44:02sources which are allowed in United
- 00:44:04States which is going to be non-china
- 00:44:07and those Supply chains are also secure
- 00:44:09um and so that is not going to be a
- 00:44:11limitation to serve our United States
- 00:44:15customers okay uh lastly sir this cell
- 00:44:18capacity in India is coming up so uh
- 00:44:21would it be fair to I mean whatever you
- 00:44:23think is fair to assume in terms of um
- 00:44:26full utility like you said modules you
- 00:44:29produce only maybe 70% at B so what it
- 00:44:31would be for sell whenever it is mature
- 00:44:34and what kind of profitability one can
- 00:44:37expect maybe keeping in mind the
- 00:44:39current rates in from the
- 00:44:43sell production
- 00:44:45then so uh again great set of
- 00:44:48question Mr Ashish um from the
- 00:44:52perspective of capacity utilization they
- 00:44:56are in the sort of similar region so we
- 00:44:58would expect somewhere around 60 to
- 00:45:0280% um you know as as the lines keep
- 00:45:05getting stabilized and at the full
- 00:45:08maturation somewhere in the region of
- 00:45:09around 80% or thereabouts is where uh
- 00:45:13one can expect
- 00:45:16um uh as far as the profitability is
- 00:45:19concerned uh as you can imagine I mean
- 00:45:21if you would have had one to one we
- 00:45:23would have had a massive profit fth uh
- 00:45:25but at this point in time on a blended
- 00:45:27basis we expect about a 200 to 300 basis
- 00:45:31points Improvement in the overall
- 00:45:33profitability because of
- 00:45:35ss okay okay thank you I'll come back
- 00:45:38with more questions let others ask sure
- 00:45:42thank you very much Ashish really
- 00:45:43appreciate thank you before we go ahead
- 00:45:45with the next question I would request
- 00:45:47all the participants to limit their
- 00:45:49questions to one per participant should
- 00:45:51you have a followup question please
- 00:45:52dojin the que thank you the next
- 00:45:55question is is from the line of moit
- 00:45:57Kumar from ICI Securities please go
- 00:46:00ahead hi good afternoon sir uh so my
- 00:46:04question is uh on the duties uh how do
- 00:46:07you think about the impending duties
- 00:46:09which been talked about in the United
- 00:46:10States the anti-dumping duty and
- 00:46:13contributing duties when do you think
- 00:46:14that Clarity will some clarity will come
- 00:46:16in in your
- 00:46:19opinion so as you know there is change
- 00:46:22in dispensation uh in the United States
- 00:46:25we have been closely observing the situ
- 00:46:26situation uh and and trying to seek
- 00:46:29Clarity I would say uh uh from my
- 00:46:33perspective it it will be in somewhere
- 00:46:36in January is when we potentially get
- 00:46:38the clarity on this just given the
- 00:46:42changes that are happening in the
- 00:46:43political landscape of United States my
- 00:46:46question is that of course the
- 00:46:47anti-dumping duty and CBD will imported
- 00:46:49in the in the southeast Asia so how so
- 00:46:53does it impact in any way you know our
- 00:46:55sourcing our
- 00:46:59of so um a large portion of what we are
- 00:47:04actually exporting to the United States
- 00:47:07is actually directly from India and we
- 00:47:09are we are going to come up with our own
- 00:47:11manufacturing facility uh in the United
- 00:47:13States as you know 1.4 gaws uh so both
- 00:47:17of that taken together the impact on us
- 00:47:19is uh going to be
- 00:47:22limited understood sir thank you thank
- 00:47:24you and all the best thank you thank you
- 00:47:26very
- 00:47:27much thank you the next question is from
- 00:47:30the line of chirak kasala from Neo Asset
- 00:47:33Management please go ahead yeah hi so as
- 00:47:36just you said that you know this year uh
- 00:47:39the contribution from exports is more
- 00:47:41close to 2 by 30% and uh this school
- 00:47:44year it could remain at similar level
- 00:47:46but going forward uh will the uh
- 00:47:49contribution will remain at around Road
- 00:47:52level to exports and in that case and
- 00:47:55also if you want to know start producing
- 00:47:58in US itself then how will the margins
- 00:48:00change as he will be procuring sell from
- 00:48:03us and and then so could the margins be
- 00:48:06on the lower side going
- 00:48:09forward um CH great question uh so from
- 00:48:14our perspective uh the mix of the sales
- 00:48:19is going to continue to keep evolving
- 00:48:21you know just looking at the uh the way
- 00:48:24in which our order books stack up
- 00:48:27clearly shows the direction in which
- 00:48:29potentially next year is going to pan
- 00:48:30out now like you rightly said some of it
- 00:48:33we might actually serve from our own
- 00:48:35factories in United States uh in what
- 00:48:38Manner are we going to do that for
- 00:48:41United States most of the sell
- 00:48:44requirement most if not all will be
- 00:48:46served from India and so therefore uh
- 00:48:50you know that is going to be a
- 00:48:51substantial margin contributor as we
- 00:48:52move forward uh the way in which we will
- 00:48:55actually do the configur
- 00:48:57of orders to be uh to be served from in
- 00:49:01United States for United States United
- 00:49:03States from India and India from India
- 00:49:06will all be configured in such a way
- 00:49:08that uh we maximize our profit
- 00:49:12potential and if you look at the order
- 00:49:14inlow so it has been around 20 GA of
- 00:49:17order book as on fi 24 and even the
- 00:49:19first half the order book is so what has
- 00:49:22been the order inlows in this first
- 00:49:25half so uh it's actually been Fair
- 00:49:28robust about six gaws or so what I would
- 00:49:30say five to six gaws is what uh uh what
- 00:49:33we have got in the
- 00:49:35first okay and could it be safe to
- 00:49:38assume that second half would be better
- 00:49:40in terms of growth because if you look
- 00:49:41at your listed peers they are reporting
- 00:49:44much higher Revenue growth who are you
- 00:49:46know purely operating in Indian markets
- 00:49:49but you're also you know this year
- 00:49:50competing more on India then uh would
- 00:49:53the uh Revenue growth be better or uh
- 00:49:56how should be look me but you great
- 00:49:58question um so the uh the revenues are a
- 00:50:03function of if you look at our business
- 00:50:06the revenues are a function of our
- 00:50:08manufacturing capacity and
- 00:50:10realization right and when you put all
- 00:50:13of these things together if your
- 00:50:15manufacturing capacity increases
- 00:50:17dramatically or your uh and your
- 00:50:19realization remains flat or increases uh
- 00:50:22you know your revenues will grow for us
- 00:50:25this is the year of uh making sure that
- 00:50:28we have a very strong uh iida very
- 00:50:32strong uh um uh you know making sure
- 00:50:36that the manufacturing footprint uh uh
- 00:50:39is complete uh and then therefore uh you
- 00:50:43know get the benefits of completion
- 00:50:45of of all the manufacturing capacity so
- 00:50:49that the the way in which realization
- 00:50:51will go up from our perspective is as
- 00:50:53the cell capacity comes up also the DCR
- 00:50:57uh potential that our own self uh gives
- 00:51:00us we also give Philip to the
- 00:51:04profitability thank you thank you
- 00:51:08CH thank you a reminder to all the
- 00:51:11participants who to kindly limit their
- 00:51:12questions to one per
- 00:51:15participant the next question is from
- 00:51:17the line of suash KLA from Singularity
- 00:51:20please go
- 00:51:23ahead all thank you for doing my
- 00:51:25question so I had a question on the uh
- 00:51:28the improved margins because of sales um
- 00:51:31you said maybe two to three percentage
- 00:51:33points um from our understanding looking
- 00:51:36at the P it looks to be much higher if
- 00:51:38you are running an integrated facility
- 00:51:40maybe if you can just expand a little
- 00:51:42bit on that and asum the End Market is
- 00:51:45DCR second if you can talk about the
- 00:51:48retail business in the rooftop solar
- 00:51:50segment from a macro perspective the
- 00:51:53numbers uh the growth in the numbers uh
- 00:51:55is looking very exciting so how are we
- 00:51:58looking at that segment two two three
- 00:52:00years out from in terms of the revenue
- 00:52:02and the profitability of the
- 00:52:05segment right um again great question uh
- 00:52:10Su G if I've got your name correctly uh
- 00:52:15from a margin perspective yes you're
- 00:52:18right a fully integrated chain so if I
- 00:52:21would have had if I have 13.3 gaw of
- 00:52:24manufacturing of modules and .3 gaws of
- 00:52:27cells um these numbers that I quote
- 00:52:30might potentially even jump to a double
- 00:52:33double than what I'm saying however on a
- 00:52:35blended basis so when I said 200 to 300
- 00:52:38basis points it's on a blended basis uh
- 00:52:41and that's where uh you getting
- 00:52:44um in that region but yeah I mean as the
- 00:52:47level of integration increases the
- 00:52:50potential of profits actually go up and
- 00:52:51they're almost
- 00:52:53double at this point in time of course
- 00:52:55there is a there's a sense of
- 00:52:56conservatism in the numbers that I quote
- 00:52:59um as as we always are uh and we would
- 00:53:03like to beat those numbers as we
- 00:53:05move thank you sir the next question is
- 00:53:08from the line of prati Kumar from jeffre
- 00:53:10please go
- 00:53:13ahead yeah thanks for the followup I
- 00:53:15just one question regarding the order
- 00:53:17book so just wanted to understand this
- 00:53:19order book of 20q about uh in current
- 00:53:22context of current environment in us so
- 00:53:25all these ERS are like sort of more like
- 00:53:28M or like all these companies have like
- 00:53:31sort of given you some Advance or I mean
- 00:53:33and they can be like sort of cancelled
- 00:53:34because there's some change in local
- 00:53:36regulations Etc uh so uh what is the
- 00:53:39stage of these order books exactly for
- 00:53:41this 20 GW of like 70% is
- 00:53:44US super so uh PR g a fantastic question
- 00:53:49um the way in which we look at orders
- 00:53:53and consider them as orders in wari is
- 00:53:55if we get a advances so almost the
- 00:53:59entire 20 gaw of AUD book is backed by
- 00:54:02advances that's number one number two
- 00:54:05praque G is uh that we most of our
- 00:54:08orders in this order book are through
- 00:54:10sticky customers customers who are loyal
- 00:54:12to us and um and that's the other reason
- 00:54:16why there is a certain strong belief
- 00:54:19that this orders would not be cancelled
- 00:54:22so these are the two solid reasons why
- 00:54:23it's a solid order book we uh you know
- 00:54:26we don't consider it as an order till
- 00:54:27the time that we actually have a have an
- 00:54:29advance in our books and there's an
- 00:54:32increased confidence because of the fact
- 00:54:33that they are loyal
- 00:54:38customers thank you the next question is
- 00:54:41from the line of putam attorney from o
- 00:54:45Oakland Capital please go
- 00:54:47ahead thank you for the opportunity uh
- 00:54:50sir I wanted to ask questions on the new
- 00:54:52businesses one is battery storage the
- 00:54:54other is Electro which is said comment
- 00:54:56in probably next call the aluminium
- 00:54:59frame I think we have a subsidiary which
- 00:55:02is named wari green and green aluminium
- 00:55:05private limited and a couple of years
- 00:55:08back I think there was a there's some
- 00:55:10business opportunity been discussed on
- 00:55:12thermal energy storage with with BR
- 00:55:15Miller do we have any updates on all of
- 00:55:18these
- 00:55:19businesses uh a great question
- 00:55:23uh uh you know in my presentation I
- 00:55:25already said said that we are going to
- 00:55:28uh have a fairly broad um Spectrum from
- 00:55:34a energy transitions perspective um you
- 00:55:37know out of that uh
- 00:55:41electrolyzer for hydrogen and battery
- 00:55:44energy storage systems uh have come uh
- 00:55:49you know have come up to a point where
- 00:55:51we can talk about it and of course we'll
- 00:55:53get back to you in details very soon all
- 00:55:55the other parts and pieces of the
- 00:55:57potential future business is being
- 00:56:00talked about internally we have a
- 00:56:02process internally where we move all of
- 00:56:05these through various stage Gates and
- 00:56:09when it crosses the right stage Gates
- 00:56:12and when it becomes mature and when it
- 00:56:14is we are ready we will be fairly
- 00:56:16excited to come and talk to you about
- 00:56:17that as well but at this point in time
- 00:56:19as they say it's not prime act it has
- 00:56:21not come to a stage where we can talk
- 00:56:23about it
- 00:56:26thank you very much sir ladies and
- 00:56:28gentlemen due to time const stream that
- 00:56:29was the last question we can take today
- 00:56:32I would now like to hand the conference
- 00:56:33over to the management for closing
- 00:56:35comments over to
- 00:56:37you uh thank you very much uh thank you
- 00:56:40very much for asking us all of these
- 00:56:42extremely exciting uh questions and uh
- 00:56:46uh and thank you very much for spending
- 00:56:47the time ladies and gentlemen what we
- 00:56:49would like to sum up uh this conference
- 00:56:52as is uh we have had a good and
- 00:56:56resilient quarter we have strong
- 00:56:58business fundamentals and that's due to
- 00:57:00a strong demand a very very good
- 00:57:04manufacturing footprint for now and for
- 00:57:06the future and of course our F into
- 00:57:09other elements of uh energy transitions
- 00:57:12which are going to bring us growth in
- 00:57:14the future once again ladies and
- 00:57:16gentlemen thank you very much for the
- 00:57:18time thank you members of the management
- 00:57:20on behalf of Vari energies limited that
- 00:57:23concludes this conference we thank you
- 00:57:24for joining us and you may now discuss
- 00:57:26nature lines thank you
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