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this is Robert Monroe and here's another
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track from our Explorer files we have
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coded this one
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TCA he is a physicist by profession and
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is one of our older team members older
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that is in terms of number of
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sessions much of his work with us quite
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naturally falls into exploration that
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might relate to our SpaceTime technology
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here's an example he is already well
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into Focus 12 and
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Reporting
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I've gotten all kinds of things on it
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and I've been trying to sort them and
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put it into some kind
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of uh
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rational uh order but first before I
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start and I was corrected and the answer
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to the previous question was uh or the
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correction I got was we didn't say that
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we didn't know anything about a 15 mahz
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signal we simply said that it was of no
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consequence to
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you so they claim they're not
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necessarily ignorant but that it's
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nothing really to concern ourselves with
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it's
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not doing anything to us or with us or
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for us or it's passive I expect as far
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as its interaction
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uh with
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us whatever its
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intent intended interaction might
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be anyway back to the other question
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first of all I had
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the impression
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that
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um the physical matter reality and as
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much of of
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uh as much of I guess what is normally
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called
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reality um not only physical matter but
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also uh certain amount of our uh
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daydreaming and imaginative intuitive
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qualities
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are part of
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a sort of like a a
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large
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um
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Daydream
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or
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thought from
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a a higher
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Consciousness and just as we can
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Daydream and invent characters and
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situations we are characters in a
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situation that was invented or
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dreamt so to speak um in this case
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though quite consciously Dreamt by
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a
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um more advanced sort of
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Consciousness
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and the part that we have to play in
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this
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uh uh
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Daydream is one
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of uh education one of
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learning and
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bettering ourselves striving to become
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more now I'm not clear why this uh this
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uh kind of over Consciousness or over
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Soul
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um is having this Daydream but I have
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the feeling that it's for its own
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education it it learns as we
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learn anyway uh we were or we have such
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limited Consciousness to begin with
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because if you're going to set up a
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situation um where you expect certain
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processes to
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happen uh these processes of course are
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our education our learning you don't set
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up the most complex and
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involved uh experiment or situation you
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set up a simple
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one uh as simple one as you
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can produce the
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still uh has the
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qualities to get the results that you
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want
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and this is the reason that we
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are uh seemingly of such limited
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Consciousness but the reason that we
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have a option to develop our
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Consciousness more fully as part of
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the
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um sort of the the uh the experiment
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itself is such that we are to
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learn and grow and evolve and
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become
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and learn through experience and doing
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and as closer or as as closely as we
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can come to understanding
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and
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um
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um being a part of or understanding our
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part of our creator our our over Soul
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Daydreamer if you
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like
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then um sort of the more power to us the
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more of that we can understand and the
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more uh learning that we've required so
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it's not
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really well I take it
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back it's not so much that we are driven
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to expand our awareness or that we
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should be other than it's
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available and being
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available um makes it a direction in
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which we can evolve if we so choose
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that's a little jumbled even to myself
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but
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um that's the way it's coming
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out very good then let's move to another
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area and switch into another
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area in this physical matter time and
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space what other energies are available
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to
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us that we can use to replace what we
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now use such as fossil fuels and
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electricity what other energy can we use
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that will replace these if we so desire
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and so
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need my mine as you were still speaking
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was the static uh electromagnetic field
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with the static El electric field I
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should say that um surrounds the
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Earth and also uh I was just told the
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magnetic the Earth's magnetic field as
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well as its static electric field have
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enormous amounts of
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energy how can we tap these how can we
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utilize
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these seems like
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it I got the picture it seems almost
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factious to me in a sense that was
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making a very large um electric motor
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with the uh Earth as the central um
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permanent magnet and a very
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large uh coil
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of of
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uh a big solenoid or a big coil of wire
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surrounding the Earth
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uh large enough to be
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uh uh you know in
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space not under uh uh
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gravitational well you know a coil that
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would be um in space rather than in the
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atmosphere or ionosphere or anything
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rotating uh slowly about the Earth using
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the magnetic field to cut the flux lines
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and create the the uh
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electric potential just a big old dumb
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motor except the very big one with the
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Earth is a permanent
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magnet now I don't know whether that was
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given to me is uh was a joke or what but
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I got a very clear picture of
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it ask how we can reduce this down to a
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level that we can use it uh in our Earth
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and
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environment in our backyard so to
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speak you can't reduce
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a uh a motor made up of the earth as
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it's a permanent magnet into your
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backyard but uh I saw that there are
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techniques using
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the um Earth's electrostatic
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field that are not so
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grandiose um I see a bunch
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of long
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thin
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cylinders uh
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oriented
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uh uh with the long axis up and down
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oriented normally to the Earth's surface
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uh these cylinders aren't that large
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we're not talking about space things
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we're talking maybe uh oh a few hundred
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feet
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um if they're a few hundred feet tall
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then they must be
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uh oh 68 ft in
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diameter they seem to
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be
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light uh almost like a a translucent
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um plexiglass is what they appear to be
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uh sort of like a big gigantic
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fluorescent light bulb I guess is the
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best 100 foot tall fluorescent light
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bulb of about the same uh relative
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dimensions of length to diameter that a
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fluorescent light bulb has and these
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things seem to Glow now I don't know
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what's in them but the uh electric field
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gradient through these objects normal to
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the Earth surface seems to uh create
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some sort of energy
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that's can be tapped off of this
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uh uh somewhere in the middle of it I'm
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not sure or toward the bottom I'm
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getting these things mostly
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visually has something to do with
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materials um I don't know whether
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they're solid or Hollow with gas in
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them but it's a materials
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type thing that um I don't know whether
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we have the material yet whether it's
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been you know discovered or invented or
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whatever but it I'm just being shown
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this as a as a possibility a way that it
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that it can be
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done
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good we have heard talk or mentioned in
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various places of a motor that
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will be the size that could fit
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in in an automobile for example that
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operates on some magnetic
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principle what about
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this answer but the answer was sure but
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that takes uh super conducting
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uh uh materials or superconducting uh
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magnets that
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uh right now can only or you can only
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produce with cooling down to the
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temperatures of uh 4° Kelvin which is
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about liquid
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um
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helium and that uh because of the
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requirement of superconducting
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uh uh Metals
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coils that um
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and because of the cooling requirement
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to keep these coils in a superconducting
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state that it's not
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uh practical
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now or that it doesn't seem practical
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with our present technology I should say
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that not that it will never be practical
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perhaps there are ways of uh producing
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uh superconducting
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phenomena without the uh necessity to
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get it down to uh
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temperatures of liquid
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helium no I I don't know anything about
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that I don't know of any such engine or
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whatever it or motor it just that was
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what I was told that the superconducting
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problem and the low temperatures was the
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was the uh crunch as far as our
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technology
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went electrical
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energy what about the energy that is
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being used for this communication now as
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you move there and you are communicating
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and asking these questions there is an
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energy at work there that apparently
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does not seem to be
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electromagnetic uh or magnetic is
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another form of energy is this a form of
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energy we can apply here in this
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reality
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enery in this
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reality
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um as it
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affects the
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awareness um as opposed to as it
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affects uh physical
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matter now let me try
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to uh straighten that
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out this energy that we're dealing with
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now is not electromagnetic
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uh true it's not
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uh physical in the sense of your
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physical energies
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but it can be used and
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utilized
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to um change or vary the awareness and
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the awareness can be used to change or
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modify the physical environment but it's
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it's not so much that you're using this
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energy to manipulate physical
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structure as it is that you can use this
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energy to manipulate
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your uh awareness of physical structure
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uh for
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example you can use this energy to
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change your awareness of cold such that
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you are no longer cold such that you are
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warm rather than heat the house heat the
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man uh the man can heat himself by
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becoming unaware of of
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cold so it's in that sense that this
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energy can be used to moderate your
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environment by
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changing
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uh the impact of the environment on the
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individual rather than actually uh uh
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using the energy to manipulate matter
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now this is a very fine distinction if
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you are not cold you are not
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cold because you no longer are aware or
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sense that you're cold or because your
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room is
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heated
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uh it seems really to make very little
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difference in the
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end then
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U what of uh some of
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the uh people who have made uh have come
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into public view who apparently are
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using this kind of energy such as a a
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Yuri Geller for example is he using this
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kind of energy to affect
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matter he is using uh another kind of
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energy to affect matter uh the last
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answer was specific to the energy that
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we were using to communicate
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um
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the I'm not quite clear the
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energy that Yuri Geller uses to affect
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the matter is somehow different and not
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the same as the thought transfer the
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information transfer the energy involved
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in in energy involved in information
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transfer that we are using in this uh
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communication um I had
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a a inclination
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that that um there
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were almost like others or a third party
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involved in the energy that Yuri Geller
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was
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utilizing
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that this was not necessarily uh
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available
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to
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um no that's not
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right I was going to say it's not
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available to
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everyone
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um it's not really that it's not
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available to anyone it's just that uh
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there's like some constructive
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interference as far as Yuri is concerned
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that helps him direct or use this
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energy and that's what makes this energy
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seem to be accessible to
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him I I guess one would say he's being
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helped he's not uh doing this all on
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his his
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own such energy available to
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us
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yes there's no prohibition uh that would
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disallow us
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from uh utilizing
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it how can we then utilize it how can it
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become available to
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us
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it says you need to get the people to
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help you out you need to get the the uh
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I don't know whoever they are to
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um uh be
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cooperative like obvious next question
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after this well how do we go about that
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that's
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correct
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just to uh begin to start doing it uh
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just as we began the communications with
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some uh in the very
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beginning were full of uh stumblings and
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uncertainties and gradually
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became uh established uh more securely
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and better that
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um if we begin trying to
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apply
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um energy and in the same type of
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manifestations as Yu Geller exhibits
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that if we begin trying to
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apply um
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energy and in the same type of
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manifestations as Yuri Geller exhibits
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that that will
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give um these people or entities a place
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to start and
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that it will
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develop and we should not expect
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immediate success but just to keep
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working on it and uh it will
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come that that they're not
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uh um tied to here Geller Say in any
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specific you know sense that that
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they're his and he's theirs and that
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they can't do anything
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else so it's not like it's just a local
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phenomenon that he can exercise uh they
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generally uh will work where the
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interest
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is
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I don't I don't really see that there's
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the problem seems to be Communications I
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don't really get the feeling
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that
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um well I suppose we perhaps could
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establish Communications with these uh
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people same kind of communications that
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we have now there for a while I just
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didn't feel that it seemed like they
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were just kind of in communicado but uh
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then I got got a feeling to the
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contrary or information to the contrary
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who are
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they I don't know I just get a a they
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they're
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a there're are somebody
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else uh I don't necessarily make them
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out to
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be
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um you know anything particularly
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Supernatural or or strange or holy or
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anything like that that just seem to be
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a um sort of like another organization
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just as we've seen
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organized uh helpers and workers that
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have worked with us in our communicating
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and and uh
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traveling and information uh they're
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like a uh a separate
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uh task force so to speak uh a different
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group that uh utilizes this energy
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primarily or this this uh mind and
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matter
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energy
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um as a primary tool rather than the uh
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communication
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uh type
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energy
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and then there's no specific step that
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we could do to establish contact with
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that other
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organization well I feel that yeah there
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is I don't know just what it is but it's
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like they're out there and it's like
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they're not
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unwilling uh I suspect our step is
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desire we wish to
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and uh begin working at
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and
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they'll be in
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touch you know like many of the other
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things it's a matter of us putting forth
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the effort in having the
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desire that finally brings
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results is not this kind of energy uh a
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means of manipulating physical
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matter uh yes it is it
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uh
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I almost have well I do I get the
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feeling or I get the information that
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it's what you're doing is
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uh is really getting the cooperation of
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the physical object itself to change its
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form so the spoon real Alters its uh
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form not because forces and pressures or
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temperatures have forced it to a new
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form but rather it is an interaction
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between the material itself and the and
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the uh this energy which
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is uh different than thought energy but
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focused and controlled by the
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mind it's almost a Cooperative thing
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it's not that the
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metal is pushed into bending but the
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metal sort of uh bends
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itself it's almost as if the metal
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becomes a servant or obeys the uh desire
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of the individual and restructures
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itself then that should offer some
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interesting opportunities should it not
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certainly
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should very good I think that we'll then
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let you begin to move back
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now you will notice that t CA has the
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same strained pattern of speech that is
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typical of the Explorer
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mode he is unable to reach back and use
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his vocal cords while in an out of- body
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State as romc is able to
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do however he can communicate with a
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third non-physical party while in Focus
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12 as you have heard Still within the
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physical at a later period he began a
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process of momentary return to his
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physical body so that he could report on
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his activities in the aab body State
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here is one of such
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reports GSR 20 points over
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normal back
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into regular
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12
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had two
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encounters the First with an
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unseen intelligence who
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replied to a general query for
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communications sort of a I'll talk to
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you but it was obvious that he or I
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guess I say he I got the feeling of a
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he wanted to listen like okay you know
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what do you want to talk about and as
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I tried to put the
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burden
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on him or it for some information about
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itself about its environment
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it got very
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uh
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[Music]
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displeased and with a very kind of loud
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and
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disgusting noise it
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left I got the feeling
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angry for
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being
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bothered sort of like bumping into a
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busy New York
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pedestrian the second was much more
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interesting the second
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communication I didn't just get an
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intelligence but got a complete visual
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image
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female late
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30s and she was
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very uh pleased
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to
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communicate offered to show me around
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and showed
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me a lot of the facility I don't really
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know what else to call it that she was
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in some of the rooms some of the things
00:30:56
none of which I
00:30:59
understood one thing in
00:31:02
particular she thought I had the feeling
00:31:05
was very impressive and we walked up to
00:31:08
this like wall and two big doors swung
00:31:11
open and there
00:31:14
was nothing there that seemed impressive
00:31:18
at all but
00:31:21
she thought that these markings and
00:31:25
irregularities of the surface were quite
00:31:28
something I don't know why I didn't
00:31:30
relate to it at
00:31:32
all she then took me to several other
00:31:34
rooms and
00:31:39
places none of which could I relate
00:31:50
to I I asked her
00:31:54
if she was in any way familiar with my
00:31:59
uh with physical matter existence as I
00:32:02
knew it and she was not familiar with
00:32:05
that and asked me to
00:32:07
explain that was very
00:32:13
difficult the explanation
00:32:16
uh was pretty much
00:32:19
impossible I didn't really know how to
00:32:21
explain physical
00:32:26
matter so I asked for if it was all
00:32:31
right if I came
00:32:33
back and that I would wanted to leave to
00:32:37
report in she seemed a little dismayed
00:32:41
that I was taking off after having just
00:32:44
gotten partway through the
00:32:45
tour but she says all right and I came
00:32:48
back to report that brings us up to the
00:32:51
present
00:32:53
moment very
00:32:56
good
00:33:01
in your return or Communications with
00:33:04
her go back again to try and understand
00:33:08
the type of
00:33:11
energy type of basing knowledge of what
00:33:15
we might make
00:33:21
business
00:33:23
energy basic laws that
00:33:26
exist
00:33:33
okay 3 minute time L I thought I'd
00:33:36
better report before I
00:33:39
forgot much of what went
00:33:47
on reestablished contact with same
00:33:52
female she was quite surprised that I
00:33:56
indeed did return
00:34:06
pleased at
00:34:09
first I began to
00:34:11
wonder what did this
00:34:15
intelligence really look like to itself
00:34:19
was I just imposing my own image of
00:34:22
female human humanoid
00:34:26
form
00:34:31
and we discussed this realizing
00:34:35
that I was
00:34:39
creating this image of
00:34:42
her and could not really tell whether
00:34:45
this was her own image of herself or not
00:34:50
she likewise was creating an
00:34:54
image of
00:34:56
me
00:34:58
in a likeness to which she was familiar
00:35:01
and whether or not these
00:35:02
likenesses were
00:35:05
similar mine and hers there was no way
00:35:08
to
00:35:09
tell so we left that
00:35:13
question then I got an itch of some
00:35:17
intensity began on my neck and I tried
00:35:20
to explain
00:35:22
that I existed in another reality
00:35:25
besides the one I was sharing with her
00:35:30
and that I had a physical body elsewhere
00:35:33
and that that physical body had an itch
00:35:36
on its neck and was
00:35:39
disturbing the focus of my attention and
00:35:43
that's why I seem to
00:35:47
be
00:35:49
fading in and out as my attention
00:35:56
wavered
00:35:59
she seemed to think that was quite
00:36:01
incredible I don't believe she believed
00:36:04
me at
00:36:10
all she just kind of
00:36:12
ignored that statement like one might
00:36:16
ignore somebody who says an irrational
00:36:23
thing I asked her about her physics
00:36:28
she took me to another place where
00:36:31
there was
00:36:33
another
00:36:35
entity this one
00:36:38
male and there was a writing surface
00:36:40
much like a Blackboard but not a
00:36:42
Blackboard whereupon he attempted to
00:36:46
explain the nature of
00:36:49
things
00:36:53
there we had no success at all with his
00:36:58
writing the marks he was making on this
00:37:02
surface this Blackboard were totally
00:37:05
unintelligible to me and we after a few
00:37:09
efforts gave up tried to go to
00:37:14
pictures all the time we could
00:37:16
communicate
00:37:20
telepathically uh pictures were okay he
00:37:23
drew some
00:37:24
pictures and from the telepath ethic
00:37:29
exchange
00:37:32
I felt that their
00:37:35
science indeed their concept of their
00:37:38
existence and of
00:37:41
reality was in many ways similar to our
00:37:44
own in
00:37:48
that they were fixed in that reality
00:37:52
they could not travel out of it as I
00:37:58
had traveled out of physical matter
00:38:00
reality into theirs they seemed to
00:38:02
believe that they were fixed in their
00:38:04
reality
00:38:06
and couldn't really travel out of it I
00:38:09
don't know whether they
00:38:13
even believed that there was any other
00:38:16
reality other than their
00:38:19
own they had a physical science much as
00:38:23
we do in that the objects in their
00:38:25
reality obeyed very specific
00:38:30
specific uh
00:38:34
laws I tried to see if any of their laws
00:38:37
were similar to ours such as
00:38:43
gravitation it was very difficult to
00:38:46
tell I couldn't
00:38:48
separate
00:38:51
what was
00:38:55
there well I couldn't
00:38:58
find out what their concept of their
00:39:00
reality was all I could do was
00:39:03
translate into my own Concepts meaning I
00:39:09
did not see them floating around in air
00:39:12
but whether that was because they
00:39:13
experienc a thing called gravity like we
00:39:16
do or whether that was a function of my
00:39:18
own experience
00:39:20
visualizing humanoids not floating in
00:39:23
the
00:39:24
air I could not tell
00:39:31
but I did feel that they had a a basic
00:39:34
physical science that ruled
00:39:37
the objects of their reality they didn't
00:39:41
move things around by thought processes
00:39:44
or anything uh like
00:39:51
that it seemed sort of like an
00:39:56
earth
00:39:58
type physical
00:40:01
reality to
00:40:03
them although I didn't I don't recognize
00:40:06
many of their
00:40:09
devices and
00:40:12
structures seem very foreign but they
00:40:15
seem to be fixed and isolated within
00:40:17
those devices and
00:40:26
structures
00:40:28
somehow I appear to them as one of their
00:40:33
own
00:40:34
kind whether that's humano or not I
00:40:37
don't
00:40:45
know maybe I should have tried to find
00:40:49
out where they think I came from or who
00:40:52
they think I might
00:40:56
be
00:41:22
and there you have a report from TCA who
00:41:25
also has the quality so necessary
00:41:27
in our Explorations calm Serenity
00:41:31
whatever the environment or
00:41:34
Adventure we would appreciate any
00:41:36
comments opinions or perceptions you may
00:41:38
have on these Explorations we are
00:41:39
sharing with you simply write them to me
00:41:42
in care of the
00:41:44
Institute and this is the end of this
00:41:47
particular Explorer
00:41:56
tape
00:42:13
for