Trump 2.0 - China || Peter Zeihan

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TLDRPeter Zion discusses the challenges President Trump will face with China when he takes office. He explains China’s economic model, which relies on central state control and cheap capital, making it vulnerable without consistent capital flow. Demographically, China is at risk of collapse due to low birth rates and an aging population. Zion reflects on Trump’s focus on the trade deficit and how his tariff policies could lead to inflation and recession if not managed properly. He emphasizes the need for a cohesive strategy involving U.S. allies to effectively counter China, warning that without careful planning, the U.S. may suffer significant economic consequences.

Takeaways

  • 📉 China relies on central state control for its economy.
  • 💼 Cheap capital is crucial for maintaining China's industrial state.
  • 👶 Low birth rates threaten China's future demographic stability.
  • 🚧 Trump sees trade deficits as a major issue to tackle.
  • ⚖️ Tariffs might lead to inflation and recession in the U.S.
  • 🌏 Cooperation with allies is necessary to counter China.
  • 📊 Trump is perceived as a negotiator who can be easily flattered.
  • 🔗 A cohesive U.S. strategy toward China is essential.
  • 💡 Economic turmoil could result from poorly planned trade policies.
  • 🔍 Investing in domestic alternatives is vital for effective trade policy.

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  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Peter Zion discusses the challenges awaiting President-elect Trump regarding China, focusing on China's state-controlled economy and the necessity of maintaining jobs to prevent unrest. He highlights China's over-capitalization and demographic decline, noting that low birth rates and an aging population threaten the country's stability. Zion argues that for China to endure, the regime must optimize workforce productivity, suppress dissent, and keep export markets open to mitigate domestic consumption issues.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:34

    Zion analyzes the implications of Trump's trade policies, highlighting how China views him as an ineffective strategic threat. Despite Trump's obsession with trade deficits, past agreements like the Phase One deal failed to yield results, fostering skepticism among Chinese leaders about U.S. negotiations. He outlines that emerging bipartisan hostility towards China in the U.S. Congress could reshape future policies, cautioning that blunt trade tactics like tariffs could trigger domestic economic crises, undermining intended goals unless accompanied by broader industrial strategies.

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Video Tanya Jawab

  • What are the primary challenges China is facing?

    China faces challenges from its centralized economic model, over-reliance on cheap capital, and significant demographic issues, including a declining birth rate.

  • How does Trump's view of the trade deficit affect his policies?

    Trump is focused on reducing the trade deficit, which influences his approach to negotiating trade deals, especially with China.

  • Why is capital flow critical to China's economy?

    The Chinese economy relies heavily on continuous capital flow to maintain its industrialized state; a sudden stop could lead to a rapid economic downturn.

  • What is the significance of demographics in China?

    China is facing a demographic collapse, with a low birth rate and an aging population, which affects consumer spending and economic growth.

  • How do tariffs impact China's economy?

    Tariffs could increase costs for American consumers and trigger inflation, potentially harming the U.S. economy while failing to substantially change the trade relationship with China.

  • What do the Chinese think about Trump?

    The Chinese view Trump as a negotiator who is easily flattered and not a serious strategic thinker, allowing them to maneuver during trade discussions.

  • What might change in U.S.-China relations under Trump 2.0?

    There may be increased anti-China sentiment in U.S. politics, but the effectiveness of policy changes is uncertain without a broad coalition.

  • What are the potential consequences of Trump's trade policies?

    Trump's tariffs could lead to an inflation-induced recession in the U.S. by increasing costs on imports and disrupting supply chains.

  • Why is cooperation among U.S. allies important in countering China?

    To effectively confront China, a coordinated effort with allies in the region is necessary; uncoordinated actions could backfire.

  • What are the risks if Trump's approach to China fails?

    If Trump's strategies lead to economic turmoil without effective solutions, it could result in high inflation and weakened U.S. standing globally.

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Gulir Otomatis:
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    hey everybody Peter Zion here coming to
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    you from blenham New Zealand where I'm
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    walking through a Vineyard because
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    that's just what I like to do anyway uh
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    today we're going to do the second part
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    of our open edit series on the issues
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    that's going to be facing
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    president-elect Trump on his first day
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    of office not the ones that he wants to
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    face the ones that are going to face him
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    and today we're going to talk about
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    China uh first things first let's review
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    what it is that the Chinese are dealing
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    with uh before we talk about how Trump
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    plugs into that uh China has an economic
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    model that is based on Central State
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    control and that means the state
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    controls the financial system and uses
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    the financial system to shove money into
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    whatever economic sector they feel that
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    they need to now they use this to
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    achieve technological control of certain
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    areas where they feel they can Master
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    the tech they use it to subsidize
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    development of technologies that they
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    don't master in the hopes that they will
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    be able to and they do it to build out
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    the supply chains locally so they can
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    drive competitors internationally out of
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    business
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    but all of that pales to the primary
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    goal which is to make sure that
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    everybody has a job so that nobody goes
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    out and protests and gets together in a
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    large group and goes on a log and walk
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    together because that's how the
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    government got its job in the first
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    place and they don't want that to happen
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    to them so you get this system that is
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    over capitalized or capital is
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    remarkably cheap and as long as the
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    capital keeps flowing everything's happy
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    and for those of you who have ever been
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    part of an economic sector that has
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    busted whether it's say energy during a
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    bust Peri or a boom bust period or Enron
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    or real estate back in the 2007 to 2009
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    crisis you know this very well uh as
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    long as the capital keeps flowing as
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    long as the capital is cheap then the
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    system keeps running but if it for
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    whatever reason Capital Access dries up
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    then this artificially inflated sector
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    basically Withers away to nothing in a
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    very short period of time and the
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    Chinese have been doing it so long in so
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    many Subs sectors that if that Capital
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    stopped flowing at any time you'd
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    basically see the end of China's
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    industrialized State at this point
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    that's problem one problem two is
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    demographics when you tell everyone that
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    what you're supposed to do as a Chinese
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    is just work 12 hours a day 6 days a
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    week well there's not a lot of room for
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    anything else when you pull people off
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    of the farm and put them into the city
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    so they can work 12 hours a day there's
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    not a lot of time in their lives or
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    physically in their apartment for kids
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    and so the birth rate drops and drops
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    and drops and drops and according to the
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    most recent data from December of 2020
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    4 the uh average woman in China is now
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    having less than a half a child so in
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    most of China we have a repopulation
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    rate that is one quarter what is
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    necessary just to sustain the population
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    we probably almost certainly have a lot
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    more people in China over age 50 than
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    under and the place is looking at
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    demographic collapse and if you remember
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    back to my earlier demographic work most
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    of the consumption that is done in a
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    society is done by people who are under
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    age 45 who are raising their their kids
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    and building homes and that population
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    is basically becoming an endangered
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    species in China and now that birth rate
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    has been so low for so long it's been
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    lower than the United States since the
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    1990s that we are looking at the
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    dissolution of the Han ethnicity around
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    the end of the century and there's no
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    way that the Chinese state will last
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    very long I'd say a decade or less at
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    this point so that's their starting
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    point uh in order to make their system
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    last as long as possible Sherman G
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    believes three things number one
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    everyone just has to work harder which
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    is only compounding the demographic
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    situation because no one really sees a
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    hope that this is going to change number
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    two he believes that the Chinese
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    Communist party which let's be specific
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    here it's not the part's interested it's
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    him should face no challenge to its
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    Authority and should be able to
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    micromanage every aspect of everyone's
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    lives in fact we now have the agency
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    that used to enforce the one child
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    policy making unannounced house calls to
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    see if
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    couples are having sex without
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    contraception to make sure the birth
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    rate goes back up because that's what
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    the state wants now you can imagine how
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    well that goes over and third he has to
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    keep export markets open because all of
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    this production all of this forced
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    production all of this over subsidized
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    production can't be consumed by the
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    population because most of them are now
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    over 45 which means it has to be
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    exported so they have to be able to
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    shove the products they produce down
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    everyone else's throats just to keep
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    their country alive entered Donald Trump
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    Donald Trump is singularly obsessed with
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    the trade deficit which is probably not
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    the best way to look at the issue but
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    that's how he sees it so it doesn't
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    matter what I think uh and as a result
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    likes to think that he can make deals
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    that will force things in the United
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    States's direction for the most part the
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    Chinese especially at the top are not
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    worried about this because they've dealt
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    with him before uh they see him as an
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    eminently flatterable person and so they
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    basically give way in negotiation
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    knowing that the day after the
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    negotiations close that there will be no
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    enforcement and they never have to worry
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    about him again why do they feel this
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    way they've already done it before uh
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    the phase one trade deal that was
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    negotiated by the Trump team back in
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    what is it seven six years ago committed
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    the Chinese to buying X number of
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    dollars of various products and by the
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    end of the Trump term they hadn't met
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    any of the criteria at all in fact they
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    never intended to all they did was make
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    sure that whenever there was a product
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    like what they needed available anywhere
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    else in the country they went to that
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    first so actually we saw the trade
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    deficit in a structural sense go up
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    because of trade talks with the Trump
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    Administration uh the other reason that
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    the Chinese are really not concerned
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    about Trump is they don't take him
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    seriously as a strategic thinker uh the
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    Chinese understand as everyone in Asia
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    understands that if you want to hem in
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    China you can't do it alone it can't be
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    just a trade issue it can't just be a
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    strategic issue it has to be holistic
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    you have to bring in all the other
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    countries from Indonesia to Malaysia to
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    Singapore to the Philippines to Taiwan
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    to Korea to Japan and if you don't do
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    that the Chinese will easily find a weak
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    Link in the chain and be able to push
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    out and they see Donald Trump as being
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    more a danger to the alliance than they
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    are now whether or not that is accurate
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    enough that's that's how they see things
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    and again they've done this before with
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    Trump the first time around they don't
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    see anything different in round two
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    except that Donald Trump is trying to
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    wreck uh law enforcement the defense
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    department and uh the intelligence
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    agencies with appointees which are the
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    things that generally keep China in
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    check as well as uh if you're going to
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    have any sort of meaningful policy
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    against China that deals with security
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    and culture and technology and theft and
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    trade you need everyone working together
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    and they see Donald Trump as the best
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    possible candidate for Wrecking that
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    capacity within the American system so
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    they're actually broadly looking forward
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    to Trump 2 because they think they're
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    going to be able to get even more out of
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    the United States than they did under
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    Trump one
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    uh much like the Russians are
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    feeling and like the Russians I think
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    they're
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    miscalculating uh this is not 2017 we
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    are in a very different world now uh and
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    the single biggest difference on the
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    Chinese front is that Donald Trump did
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    succeed in changing the conversation in
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    the United States and there is now a
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    competition among all factions in
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    Congress about who can be the most
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    anti-chinese now translating that
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    sentiment and policy that's a lot easier
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    said than done but there's no longer
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    this core disagreement within the
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    parties because the business Community
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    has been ejected from the Republican
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    Coalition so the faction that used to be
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    the most organized and calling the shots
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    on the Republican party on economic
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    policy is no longer even part of the
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    conversation which leaves everybody else
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    to fill the Gap and no one else is as
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    concerned with economic stability as the
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    business Community was so we've already
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    seen in The Last 5 Years A significant
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    out flow of investment from China of
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    foreign firms and even of Chinese firms
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    as everyone tries to get away from this
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    country that is facing economic
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    implosion because of its demographic
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    issues and while Donald Trump certainly
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    isn't the guy to build a broad Coalition
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    within his own government much l across
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    multiple governments to have any sort of
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    coherent policy towards China dude knows
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    how to do tariffs and that is certainly
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    something that's going to hit the
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    Chinese on the headline now as a rule I
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    would say tariffs are a really bad tool
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    for shaping policy so for example the
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    terrorist that Trump has threatened not
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    that I think they're going to happen uh
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    against China and Mexico would be the
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    fastest way to trigger an inflation
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    induced recession in the United States
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    because most of the trade among the
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    NAFTA Partners goes back and forth
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    across the border every time and if you
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    do a flat tariff because doing anything
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    but a flat tariff would require
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    Administration Trump's not very good at
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    that uh you're going to basically tax
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    every product multiple times and drive
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    each industry out of business and allow
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    Chinese products to fill the gap
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    that's not how things work in China
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    China they have as much of the supply
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    chain system in one country as possible
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    so if you do a big flat tariff on it
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    actually does hurt the question is
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    whether Trump can realize that if the
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    goal is to actually break the trade
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    relationship with China you have to do
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    more than tariff them you have to
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    actually take that income and build
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    alternate industrial plant within North
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    America so there's actually another
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    option otherwise you get an inflation
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    pulse you a consumer crisis and you
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    don't actually change anything on the
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    back end you just make everything more
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    expensive now whether or not his
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    ultimate appointees are people who can
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    convince him of that I don't know but
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    what I do know for sure is that if we do
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    get into a situation where Trump
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    basically waltzes into East Asia with a
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    sledgehammer yes the us is going to take
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    a lot of hits yes it's going to hurt yes
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    he will go down in history is triggering
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    the highest inflation the United States
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    has ever had yes it will be
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    ugly but the won't be a China on the
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    other side of that there are easy ways
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    to do this there are smart ways to do
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    this but that doesn't mean that there
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    are only one or two ways to do this if
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    the goal is simply to smash China and
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    move on I have no doubt that Trump can
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    do that if the goal is to smash China
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    move on and have America in a much
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    better place domestically that requires
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    a skill set that I have not seen Donald
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    Trump wield just yet all right I'm done
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    see you tomorrow
Tags
  • China
  • Trump
  • Economic Model
  • Demographics
  • Trade Deficit
  • Tariffs
  • Inflation
  • U.S. Relations
  • Strategic Policy
  • Global Economy