Can You FORFEIT Your Salvation? A Unique Perspective on Once Saved Always Saved

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TLDRCette vidéo aborde la question de savoir si un chrétien peut perdre son salut, en examinant trois perspectives principales sur le sujet. La première, la plus populaire, soutient que le salut est éternel et que personne ne peut être arraché aux mains de Dieu grâce à des versets bibliques qui garantissent la sécurité salvifique. La deuxième perspective affirment qu'il est possible de perdre son salut, en citéant des versets qui alertent sur le danger de s'éloigner de la foi. La troisième vue propose une réconciliation entre le libre arbitre et la prédestination, suggérant que même si Dieu sait qui sera sauvé, l'individu mérite le choix de rester en relation ou non avec lui. La vidéo conclut en encourageant les spectateurs à réfléchir et discuter sur leur propre compréhension du salut.

Takeaways

  • 📖 La sécurité du salut est soutenue par des versets bibliques.
  • 🔒 Les passages indiquent aussi qu'on peut perdre son salut.
  • 🤔 Les concepts de libre arbitre et de prédestination peuvent coexister.
  • 💔 La relation avec Dieu est semblable à un mariage indissoluble.
  • 👬 La tolérance à l'erreur est importante dans la vie chrétienne.
  • 🎉 L'histoire du fils prodigue illustre le retour à Dieu.
  • 🔄 Le débat sur le salut est complexe et mérite réflexion.
  • ✝️ L'amour de Dieu est inconditionnel malgré nos erreurs.
  • 👥 Engageons une discussion ouverte sur ce sujet.
  • 🏠 Le retour à Dieu est toujours possible, peu importe nos erreurs.

Garis waktu

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    La première partie de la discussion examine la notion que le salut ne peut pas être perdu, en s'appuyant sur des versets bibliques qui affirment que Dieu protège les croyants et leur salut, et que l'Esprit Saint agit comme un garant de cette promesse. Les arguments exposés montrent que les chrétiens doivent être rassurés de leur position en Christ et qu'une fois sauvés, ils sont pour toujours dans cette relation. Cependant, cette vue est contestée par des passages bibliques qui suggèrent qu'il est possible de perdre son salut, en mettant en avant des exemples de chrétiens qui se sont écartés de la foi, et en enseignant que la foi active est nécessaire pour maintenir cette relation avec Dieu.

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    La deuxième partie aborde les préoccupations concernant la possibilité de perdre le salut, avec des exemples de versets qui mettent l'accent sur la nécessité de rester engagé dans la foi. Deux perspectives (salut inébranlable vs possibilité de perte) sont examinées dans le cadre de la relation entre Dieu et les croyants, en utilisant la métaphore d'un mariage parfait pour illustrer le choix d'un croyant de rester ou non en relation avec Dieu. La parabole du fils prodigue illustre finalement que, même après avoir perdu leur chemin, les croyants sont toujours accueillis dans la maison du Père, ce qui ouvre le débat sur la nature de l'engagement envers Dieu et les choix de chaque individu.

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Video Tanya Jawab

  • Quelles sont les trois vues sur le salut discutées dans la vidéo?

    1) On ne peut pas perdre son salut. 2) On peut perdre son salut. 3) Une perspective qui permet la coexistence du libre arbitre et de la prédestination.

  • Quels versets soutiennent l'idée que l'on ne peut pas perdre son salut?

    Des versets comme Romains 8 et Éphésiens 1 qui parlent de la prédestination et de la sécurité éternelle.

  • Quels versets suggèrent qu'on peut perdre son salut?

    Des passages comme Hébreux 6 et 2 Pierre 2 sur ceux qui retombent dans le péché après avoir connu la vérité.

  • Comment la vidéo compare-t-elle la relation avec Dieu à un mariage?

    Il est comparé à un mariage où Dieu, parfait et fidèle, ne demandera jamais le divorce, mais le choix de rester en relation est laissé à l'individu.

  • Quelle histoire est utilisée pour illustrer le retour à Dieu?

    L'histoire du fils prodigue, qui, après avoir quitté son père, revient et est accueilli avec joie.

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    can a Christian lose their salvation the
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    answer may not be what you're expecting
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    the Bible isn't quiet on this topic and
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    unfortunately it's not as simple as we
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    might hope so my friend and I set out to
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    find the truth that was 3 months ago and
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    in our search we settled on these three
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    views of Salvation a large majority of
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    you will fall into one of the first two
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    but there's a few unusual Bible passages
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    that forced us to consider a third view
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    one that might change how you think
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    about this whole discussion completely
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    oh and if you find any of this video
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    helpful or enjoyable consider
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    subscribing these take a long time to
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    make and it really helps
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    out the first view is that you cannot
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    lose your salvation this is the answer
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    we probably hope is correct and there's
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    convincing biblical evidence to believe
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    it the main pillar supporting this view
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    is that God will never lose us for I'm
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    convinced that neither death nor life
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    will be able to separate us from the
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    love of God phrases like he will keep
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    you firm to the end whoever comes to me
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    I will never drive away and I shall lose
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    none of all of those he has given me
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    offer strength to this view but this
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    first pillar is crowned with this verse
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    I give them eternal life no one will
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    snatch them out of my hands another
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    strong element of this pillar are the
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    predestination passages Romans 8 and
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    Ephesians 1 are two passages that
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    declare that we were chosen before the
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    creation of the world to be set apart
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    for salvation sounds pretty convincing
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    right well we can strengthen this
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    argument even more when we consider the
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    Holy Spirit acting as a guarantee of our
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    Salvation you were marked in him with a
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    seal the promised Holy Spirit who is a
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    deposit guaranteeing our inheritance he
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    put his spirit in our hearts as a
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    deposit guaranteeing what is to come the
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    holy spirit of God with whom you were
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    sealed for the day of redemption who has
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    given us his Spirit as a deposit
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    guaranteeing what is to come so it seems
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    any person who has the Holy Spirit
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    cannot perish and will inherit eternal
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    life pretty hard to argue against that
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    and even if you don't feel confident in
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    your own saving Faith there's evidence
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    to say that God will protect it
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    regardless of where you're at this
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    inheritance is kept in heaven for you
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    who through faith are shielded by God's
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    power until the coming of Salvation this
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    verse seems to say that God protects our
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    Salvation from being lost or broken
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    until it's time we meet with him other
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    verses support this idea such as Jude
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    24-25
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    and Psalm 37 so for our first Theory
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    these are the three pillars that uphold
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    this view God has committed to our
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    Salvation from the beginning of time the
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    holy spirit is proof of this commitment
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    a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance
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    and God protects our Salvation until the
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    time has come together they form a
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    strong cohesive argument that Christians
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    cannot lose their salvation so that's it
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    then debate
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    settled whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa hang on
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    let's not get too far ahead of ourselves
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    eles yet the whole reason this is even a
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    question is because the Bible has just
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    as many verses that seem to argue the
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    very opposite this brings us to the
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    second and probably less appealing view
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    you can lose your salvation view I'm
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    about to explain may sound concerning
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    but I promise if you stay until the
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    final Theory it will make more sense
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    many scholars and Christian influences
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    have made strong arguments stating that
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    Christians can in fact lose their
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    salvation one YouTuber said that he
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    believes the once sa always saved belief
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    is a perversion of the Gospel that leads
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    people into Lawless Behavior and the
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    biblical case for his position is hard
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    to ignore be on your guard so that you
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    may not be carried away by the error of
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    the Lawless and fall from your secure
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    position that security we mentioned
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    earlier yeah well lo and behold Peter
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    suggests that you can fall from the
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    secure place you once were as a Believer
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    or what about Jesus command in John 15:
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    4-6 if you do not remain in me you're
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    like a branch that is thrown away and
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    Withers such branches are picked up
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    thrown into the fire and burned Jesus
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    again says that many will fall away in
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    the last days Paul uses this conditional
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    phrase if you continue in the faith
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    implying an active participation on our
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    behalf to prevent falling away or what
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    about Paul's deathly declaration in
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    Romans 11 where he says consider
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    therefore the kindness and sternness of
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    God sternness to those who fell but
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    kindness to you provided that you
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    continue in in his kindness otherwise
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    you will also be cut
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    off if you've been around Christians for
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    a while and you're hearing these verses
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    someone might come to mind a friend or
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    family member who was once living for
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    Christ and then tragically fell away in
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    trying to reconcile this you may make
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    the Declaration to yourself a Christian
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    can't lose their salvation so if they
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    fell away they would never a Christian
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    to begin
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    with this may appear to be a decisive
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    blow to the view point but the Bible
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    actually seems to disagree it's
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    impossible for those who have once been
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    enlightened who have tasted the Heavenly
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    gift who have shared in the Holy Spirit
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    who have tasted the goodness of the word
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    of God and the powers of the coming age
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    and who have fallen away to be brought
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    back to repentance to their loss they
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    are crucifying the Son of God all over
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    again and subjecting him to Public
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    Disgrace what about Paul's warning to
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    Timothy saying now the spirit expressly
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    says that in later times some will
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    depart from the faith both of these
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    verses are pretty clear in addressing
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    Christians Born Again Spirit dwelt
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    redeemed individuals who insist on
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    returning to their lives of
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    sin Peter's words are the crowning
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    column of this opposing Viewpoint if
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    they have escaped the corruption of the
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    World by knowing our Lord and Savior
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    Jesus Christ and are again entangled in
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    it and overcome they are worse off at
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    the end than they were at the beginning
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    it would have been better better for
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    them not to have known the way of
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    righteousness than to have known it and
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    turn their backs on the sacred command
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    that was passed on to them it's hard to
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    say that it's impossible for a Christian
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    to lose their salvation after reading
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    these passages not to mention all the
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    verses that suggest a conditional
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    promise all the verses that imply a
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    gradual saving process rather than a
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    once forall moment there's enough
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    biblical evidence to build a strong
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    Foundation here that a Christian can
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    lose their
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    salvation but as we know there's also
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    just as much evidence in support of the
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    first view as well so where does that
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    leave
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    us to me both of these views seem rather
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    convincing and if we are to deny one and
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    accept the other we have to wrestle with
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    all the passages that seem to stand
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    against it after thinking a lot about
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    this it reminded me of a similar problem
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    we wrestle with as Christians do people
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    have free will or does God predetermine
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    what we can and can't do it seems like
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    two things that can't coexist two things
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    that couldn't be possible at the same
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    time but perhaps it is possible God
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    knows exactly what you're going to do
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    today but that doesn't mean you haven't
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    chosen what you're going to do today two
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    concepts that seem exclusive can
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    actually coexist at the same time I mean
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    we know this it makes sense that an all
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    knowing god knows exactly who will be
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    saved but it's also apparent that when
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    you become a Christian the free will God
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    has given you isn't taken away and since
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    God is a god of relationship he doesn't
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    take you as a prisoner he instead adopts
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    you as his child therefore since you're
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    not a prisoner are you allowed to leave
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    the relationship when you
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    want imagine you're married to the
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    perfect spouse you make a commitment to
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    be married to each other forever lucky
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    you you're married to the most perfect
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    person to ever exist they will never
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    leave you nor forsake you their
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    steadfast love never ceases and no
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    matter how badly you treat them they
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    want to stay married so in this example
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    no matter how often you go astray or how
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    badly you screw up they will never ask
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    for a divorce however is there anything
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    stopping you from asking for
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    one would you need the consent of your
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    spouse to initiate a divorce and if they
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    truly loved you would they force you to
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    stay or would they let you
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    go considering this scenario what do you
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    make of these Bible verses see to it
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    brothers and sisters that none of you
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    has a sinful unbelieving heart that
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    turns away from the Living God or what
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    about if we endure we will also reign
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    with him if we disown him he will also
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    disown us but whoever disowns me before
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    others I will disown before my Father in
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    Heaven these passages all imply a
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    choice do we want to be in a
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    relationship with God or
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    not look I get it this view may seem
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    scary but if it's true true we can
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    confidently say that it's impossible to
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    lose your salvation in the sense that
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    you can fail to meet the standards to be
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    called God's bride instead think of it
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    like this Jesus is the perfect groom no
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    matter how Unfaithful you are to him he
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    will never file for divorce yet the
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    option to end the marriage is in your
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    hands a willful decision in your heart
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    that you do not want to be in a
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    relationship with this man anymore
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    consider the parable of the prodical son
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    the son had an inheritance secured by
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    his father that he would receive in due
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    time but he demanded his wealth now and
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    willfully squandered it by his decision
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    to separate himself from the family he
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    wasted it on wild living and blew his
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    shot at a safe and secure life however
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    at Rock Bottom he remembered how his
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    father's servants were treated better
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    than this he humbled himself and
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    repented and instead of receiving him in
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    Anger his father was overjoyed to see
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    return of his son now listen closely to
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    the father's words his father saw him
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    and felt compassion for him he ran and
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    embraced him and kissed him and the son
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    said to him father I have sinned against
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    heaven and in your sight I am no longer
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    worthy to be called your son but the
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    father said to his slaves let's eat and
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    celebrate for this son of mine was dead
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    and has come to life again he was lost
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    and has been found
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    if you clicked on this video there's a
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    good chance that you're concerned about
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    your salvation and that's okay perhaps
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    the prodical son was saved at the start
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    of the story forfeited his salvation
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    throughout the middle and yet was
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    received back by his father with joy in
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    the
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    end I don't know where you sit on this
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    debate and I'd love to start a
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    conversation in the comments after this
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    video but I want to say one very
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    important thing first if you ever feel
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    like You' failed God and he's given up
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    on you that couldn't be further from the
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    truth remember the prodical father no
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    matter what you've done God is waiting
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    for you to return to him and when that
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    day comes all of Heaven Will Rejoice
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    that you made the decision to return to
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    your father his arms are open
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    wide so have I challenged you a bit
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    today let's start a discussion in the
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    comments present your best arguments for
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    your belief and we'll see where it leads
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