What Recruiters Won't Tell You: How to Stand Out and Get Hired in Tech

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TLDRIn this episode, the hosts discuss effective strategies for job seekers, emphasizing the importance of networking, self-presentation, and communication. They encourage listeners to audit their outreach efforts, personalize their messages, and engage with potential employers meaningfully. The episode highlights the significance of a well-crafted LinkedIn profile and the need for a confident mindset when applying for jobs. Practical advice is provided on how to approach coffee chats, prepare for technical interviews, and utilize job boards effectively. The hosts stress that networking can lead to unadvertised opportunities and that building relationships is key to success in the job market.

Takeaways

  • 🔍 Constantly audit your efforts in job searching.
  • 🤝 Networking is crucial for finding job opportunities.
  • 📄 Your LinkedIn profile should reflect your skills clearly.
  • 💬 Personalize outreach messages to stand out.
  • 📝 Focus on a strong summary in your resume.
  • 💡 Engage with potential employers before asking for coffee chats.
  • 📈 Use job boards and company career pages effectively.
  • 🔄 Follow up on outreach messages to increase response rates.
  • 🗣️ Think out loud during technical interviews.
  • 🌟 Present yourself confidently and avoid being overly humble.

Garis waktu

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The speaker emphasizes the importance of balancing effort and reward in professional endeavors, suggesting that if the reward outweighs the effort, one is in a good situation. They discuss the challenges of reaching out for networking opportunities and the need for external perspectives to identify potential issues in one's approach.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The hosts introduce themselves and express gratitude for the community's support, highlighting the engagement and feedback received from listeners. They reflect on the growth of their podcast and the positive impact it has had on their audience's job search journeys.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    The episode focuses on the reasons why some individuals struggle to get hired despite their efforts. The hosts share insights from their cohort in Dallas, discussing the importance of leadership and the challenges faced by team leads who may not have technical expertise in every area.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    The conversation shifts to the importance of auditing one's efforts in job searching. The hosts encourage listeners to reassess their outreach strategies and consider how they can improve their messaging to increase the likelihood of receiving responses.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    The hosts discuss the significance of having a well-structured LinkedIn profile that showcases one's skills and experiences. They stress the need for authenticity in outreach messages and the importance of building rapport with potential connections.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    The hosts provide actionable advice on networking, emphasizing the importance of engaging with others on social media before reaching out for coffee chats. They suggest personalizing messages to increase the chances of receiving a response.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The discussion highlights the importance of presenting oneself as a professional on LinkedIn and in resumes. The hosts encourage listeners to showcase their skills and experiences clearly to attract potential employers.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    The hosts emphasize the need for candidates to be proactive in their job search, suggesting that they should reach out to multiple people and not rely on a single connection for opportunities. They also encourage joining communities for support and motivation.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    The conversation touches on the importance of mindset in job searching, urging listeners to consider how they want to be perceived by potential employers. They suggest conducting tests with friends or colleagues to gauge the effectiveness of their resumes and LinkedIn profiles.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:53:49

    The episode concludes with a discussion on interview strategies, highlighting the importance of communication and engagement during technical interviews. The hosts encourage candidates to ask questions and provide insights to leave a positive impression on interviewers.

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Video Tanya Jawab

  • What should I do if I'm not getting responses to my outreach?

    Audit your outreach efforts, ensure your messages are personalized, and engage with potential contacts before reaching out.

  • How can I improve my LinkedIn profile?

    Make sure it reflects your skills and experiences clearly, and engage with content to show you're an active member of the community.

  • What is the importance of networking in job searching?

    Networking can lead to referrals and opportunities that are not advertised publicly, increasing your chances of getting hired.

  • How should I approach coffee chats?

    Personalize your requests, build rapport before asking for a chat, and ensure your profile is appealing.

  • What should I include in my resume summary?

    Focus on your relevant skills and experiences, and present yourself as a professional in your desired field.

  • How can I prepare for technical interviews?

    Practice explaining your thought process during problem-solving, and be ready to engage with the interviewer.

  • What are some effective job boards to use?

    In addition to LinkedIn and Indeed, consider local job boards and company career pages for opportunities.

  • How can I make my outreach messages stand out?

    Personalize your messages, reference specific details about the recipient, and avoid generic compliments.

  • What mindset should I have during the job search?

    Be proactive, open to feedback, and willing to adjust your strategies based on what works.

  • How can I follow up after sending outreach messages?

    Don't hesitate to send polite follow-up messages to increase your chances of getting a response.

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    effort and if it's balanced or if my
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    reward is higher I know we're in a good
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    situation if the effort outweighs the
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    reward you have to constantly think
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    about like well is this reward leading
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    to something else that it could be
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    attached to or not that's kind of the
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    way that I looked at it I've been
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    reaching out over and over and over and
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    over again nothing Good's coming my way
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    and I don't see the reason why you need
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    somebody to take a look at what you're
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    doing and so they can bring up that red
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    flag interesting okay if you find
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    conversations with people at a higher
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    Leon noell managing director of
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    we have people that are not from Dallas
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    that are part of the cohort right and so
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    uh logistically it just kind of makes
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    of bring in amazing team leads and give
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    people the opportunity to lead a team
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    they're like some of the people on the
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    know it right and it's like how do I how
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    am I a team lead of them and then I have
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    to remind them of something like I
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    BCC or it was a tool from Oracle uh you
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    know we use Java on the back end right
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    there it's a nightmare of a tool just
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    how to use this tool he said I've never
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    touched it and it's like you're my
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    manager but he's not there to be a
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    technical influence he's there to guide
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    the team and of course having a
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    technical manager sometimes great but
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    other times it could also be a blocker
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    years maybe the closest they get to it
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    understand some of the newer stuff that
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    like a good reminder if you're leading a
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    team you might not necessarily need to
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    be there for the technical aspect but it
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    kind of comes down to this right like
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    why are you not getting hard what are
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    some of the pitfalls and downfalls and
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    honestly one of the main things that I'm
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    when he was kind of lisening out all the
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    things that he's been doing like he's
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    going through the effort of getting
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    trying to get coffee chats but he gets
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    turned on constantly and um like it's
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    just a whole hot mess and so uh I won't
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    say this person's name I don't want to
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    put them on blast and it's not really
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    their fault uh in my opinion but I
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    thought why not take this episode today
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    to start talking about more less of like
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    here's the checklist of things to do I
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    think we've already covered that in an
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    episode not too long ago uh but more so
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    like the mental strategies around it and
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    I think this is going to be like a big
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    wakeup call for a lot of people and my
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    opinion I can kick it off if you want to
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    kick it off what what do you feel like
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    oh I said go ahead yeah kick it off cuz
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    you had that experience with them so I
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    think there's some things top of mind
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    for you there's definitely some things
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    top of mine and so uh with this
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    individual you know he's like I've been
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    reaching out for coffee chats and people
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    are turning me down and so for me I'm
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    very big on auditing your effort right I
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    constantly audit myself I remember I was
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    in a call earlier today where I was
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    talking with the lead over this item and
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    he said you know one of the last times
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    we talked you said you didn't know if if
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    XYZ was worth the effort how do you feel
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    about it now that like one of the big
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    Milestones has just been passed I said I
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    still don't know if it's worth the
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    effort like we're putting in a lot of
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    effort right I'm constantly auditing
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    reward for effort and if it's balanced
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    or if my reward is higher I know we're
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    in a good situation if the effort
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    outweighs the reward you have to
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    constantly think about like well is this
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    reward leading to something else that it
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    could be attached to or not that's kind
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    of the way that I look at it and so for
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    a lot of people they just kind of go
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    through emotions and like this person in
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    in particular when I said straight up
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    you're telling me you've been trying to
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    get coffee chats for months and months
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    and months and you're just getting
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    turned down please send me a DM right
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    now as if you were trying to reach out
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    for a coffee chat let's just be 100%
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    authentic and it was like Hey I really
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    liked your profile I'd love to set up a
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    coffee chat with you and I'm like why
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    would this
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    work I don't assuming we're strangers
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    we've never interacted we've never
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    talked
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    why would I ever be interested in
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    talking to you like that like what what
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    do I get out of it like where's the
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    incentive there I don't know anything
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    about you worse you're using the red
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    flags I like your profile or I saw your
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    profile every spam message I get in my
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    inbox is hey I love your business or hey
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    I love your profile hey I love your
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    Twitter account right and then then some
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    sort of asks so we've all been trained
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    to not only not reply but to instantly
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    ignore any mess Mage that starts like
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    that and so I I think this leads to like
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    one of the first big strategies right
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    like I love that you said audit your
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    effort right like you should always be
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    auditing your effort and sometimes you
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    need a little bit of an outside
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    perspective right if you're starting to
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    see big trends like I've been reaching
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    out over and over and over and over
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    again nothing Good's coming my way and I
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    don't see the reason why you need
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    somebody to take a look at what you're
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    doing and so they can bring up that red
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    flag interesting okay I I'll tell you
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    this that I was given a task not too
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    long ago where I had to reach out to
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    like old clients and I had sent like 80
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    messages and I didn't receive any reply
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    and I immediately was like something's
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    not right like there's no way and so I
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    jumped on a call with three other people
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    within my orgon I'm like can you please
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    audit this for me like where is the
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    process going wrong and we adjusted a
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    couple things and I sent out 40 more had
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    20 calls like that adjustment that's all
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    it needed so sometimes taking a step
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    back to look at it to readjust to try
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    something else will always be perfect
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    but I'll say this like put
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    whenever you're sending out a message
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    like put yourself in the the seat of the
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    receiver and constantly think I know
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    nothing about this person yep would I
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    reply to this and I think this is
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    actually the one thing I even say about
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    being popular on social media I
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    genuinely believe almost anyone can have
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    if they wanted to like it's it comes
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    down to want but if your goal was like I
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    want to grow a social media profile
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    there's no reason why you can't have an
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    audience of like 5,000 people on Twitter
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    if you wanted it like if you truly truly
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    want it the biggest hurdle most people
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    have is taking their idea and explaining
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    in a way where if you have zero context
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    and you just see that tweet you can then
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    understand what it is that person's
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    sharing often they just leave out so
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    much context that you couldn't even
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    engage with it if you wanted to um but
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    you're operating under that idea of that
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    underlying aspect of oh I know why this
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    is happening why this is working etc etc
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    when it comes to the coffee chat thing
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    it's the same thing I would never ever
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    lead in immediately with the request for
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    coffee chat like there has to be
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    something there and to give you an idea
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    and I think I've mentioned this
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    previously with our cohort one of the
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    requirements for the cohort is every
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    single student or a cohort member rather
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    has to have a minimum of five coffee
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    chats in order to stay in there and
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    they're not allowed to ask for it in
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    Discord they must go through social
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    media channels and reach out that way
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    but there's no compulsion to ask so
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    people have been already rejected for
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    coffee chats people have been accepted
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    for coffee chats I have one person in
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    particular who's done 22 coffee chats
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    right um he's killing it like he's
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    loving it cuz he's meeting so many
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    people
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    and fun fact we have one team that's
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    dedicated in Nigeria it's the first time
  • 00:11:41
    we've ever done this even they are
  • 00:11:44
    reaching out to people in the American
  • 00:11:46
    teams and getting coffee chats they've
  • 00:11:48
    had to audit like change things up
  • 00:11:50
    because you know maybe they're taking
  • 00:11:51
    certain things for granted you could
  • 00:11:53
    definitely tell they've learned a lot in
  • 00:11:54
    their approach in this but they're
  • 00:11:56
    getting the coffee chats and so it comes
  • 00:11:58
    down to like how are you building up
  • 00:12:00
    that relationship that Rapport how are
  • 00:12:01
    you connecting how are you messaging
  • 00:12:03
    them there's so much that goes into this
  • 00:12:05
    and so if you're getting rejected
  • 00:12:07
    continuously for coffee
  • 00:12:08
    chats something is completely off but
  • 00:12:11
    the other thing is if you're using a
  • 00:12:12
    platform like let's say LinkedIn in my
  • 00:12:15
    opinion there regardless of what anyone
  • 00:12:17
    says there's no platform in the world
  • 00:12:19
    that I know of that has positioned the
  • 00:12:21
    way LinkedIn is meaning people are there
  • 00:12:24
    because they want to grow their careers
  • 00:12:26
    or they're established in their career
  • 00:12:28
    and they kind of want to keep networking
  • 00:12:30
    growing Etc LinkedIn shared stats not
  • 00:12:32
    too long ago it's even in my LinkedIn
  • 00:12:34
    course I can't remember the exact number
  • 00:12:35
    of the top of my head I should have
  • 00:12:36
    researched this but I believe it's like
  • 00:12:38
    70 plus per of people on LinkedIn earn
  • 00:12:42
    over $80,000 a year so it's not like wow
  • 00:12:46
    and when you consider the entire country
  • 00:12:47
    like you can't just consider like New
  • 00:12:49
    York and California cost living so high
  • 00:12:51
    when you consider the entire country as
  • 00:12:52
    a whole for example like Memphis
  • 00:12:53
    Tennessee 80 grand is fantastic you know
  • 00:12:56
    when you're in certain cities like that
  • 00:12:57
    80 grand is fantastic ftic that means
  • 00:13:00
    these aren't people that just started
  • 00:13:01
    their careers for the vast majority
  • 00:13:03
    they're going to be established
  • 00:13:04
    individuals that have been there for a
  • 00:13:05
    while so you're networking with
  • 00:13:07
    professionals but they're all there with
  • 00:13:08
    the same intent we just want to keep
  • 00:13:10
    getting better doing better they're
  • 00:13:12
    there to
  • 00:13:14
    network why not leverage that but yeah
  • 00:13:17
    for me the biggest thing when it even
  • 00:13:19
    comes to your LinkedIn profile and I
  • 00:13:22
    I'll just say it like this right when I
  • 00:13:24
    DM somebody or someone DMS me and we've
  • 00:13:28
    never interacted before I've never seen
  • 00:13:29
    a like from them a comment from them
  • 00:13:31
    we've never gone back and forth in
  • 00:13:32
    anything what do you think is one of the
  • 00:13:34
    first things that I would do or they
  • 00:13:35
    would do if I message them they check
  • 00:13:38
    out your profile your profile if it's
  • 00:13:40
    set up properly helps increase the rate
  • 00:13:44
    of replies it increases the likelihood
  • 00:13:46
    that they'll even acknowledge your
  • 00:13:48
    message and so it just helps you and so
  • 00:13:52
    if you have a bare Bon's empty profile
  • 00:13:54
    and you're messaging people and there's
  • 00:13:56
    no context there number one they I don't
  • 00:13:59
    even know if you're real or not but
  • 00:14:00
    number two if I wanted to have a
  • 00:14:02
    conversation with you I don't even know
  • 00:14:04
    what I would ask you and that's like one
  • 00:14:05
    of the problems that I have with some of
  • 00:14:07
    the resumes that are coming through
  • 00:14:08
    right now even for like we're hiring for
  • 00:14:09
    rolls right now for react native these
  • 00:14:11
    resumes I'm like I don't even know what
  • 00:14:12
    to ask this person yeah like I would
  • 00:14:14
    have to figure it all out when they come
  • 00:14:15
    in for the interview so I I'm going to
  • 00:14:17
    give my advice I give to folks and I
  • 00:14:20
    want you to I guess maybe react to
  • 00:14:22
    whether you think it's good or not and
  • 00:14:24
    what you would change about it because I
  • 00:14:26
    think you've identified like a really
  • 00:14:28
    important problem here right Leon you
  • 00:14:30
    say networking is the way folks are
  • 00:14:31
    getting jobs right now I'm trying it on
  • 00:14:33
    LinkedIn it's not working what do I do
  • 00:14:37
    right we've already talked about like
  • 00:14:39
    getting someone to audit your message to
  • 00:14:40
    make sure that it's not something
  • 00:14:42
    completely off the- wall and now we're
  • 00:14:44
    also talking about like how is your
  • 00:14:45
    profile set up so that people actually
  • 00:14:48
    want to respond so I want to kind of
  • 00:14:49
    like drill down a little bit and then be
  • 00:14:52
    like all right if you this is the
  • 00:14:53
    problem you're having hey I realize I
  • 00:14:55
    want to network my way in what should I
  • 00:14:58
    be doing here's what I would tell the
  • 00:15:00
    person listening all right first thing
  • 00:15:03
    realize that on
  • 00:15:04
    LinkedIn not everyone responds and so
  • 00:15:08
    you have to give yourself some Grace
  • 00:15:10
    some people that are using LinkedIn only
  • 00:15:11
    use it when they're actually on the job
  • 00:15:13
    hunt right or when they are actively
  • 00:15:17
    looking for roles so you might just not
  • 00:15:20
    get a response to someone even if you're
  • 00:15:21
    doing something perfect because they're
  • 00:15:23
    not checking their email tied to their
  • 00:15:24
    LinkedIn happens a lot so you always
  • 00:15:27
    want to give yourself Grace when going
  • 00:15:29
    into any of these like strategies or
  • 00:15:32
    like the hunt like it it could be
  • 00:15:33
    perfect and just might not work so with
  • 00:15:37
    that being in mind it's a numbers game
  • 00:15:39
    the more numbers in that you're taking
  • 00:15:42
    action you're auditing your effort like
  • 00:15:44
    Danny says the better outcomes you can
  • 00:15:46
    get out so what are you doing from the
  • 00:15:48
    beginning I am identifying people at the
  • 00:15:51
    companies that are actively hiring
  • 00:15:53
    ideally locally so I'm going to look at
  • 00:15:56
    every single company that's hired in the
  • 00:15:59
    past three months that I think has roles
  • 00:16:02
    that I might be a good fit for I use
  • 00:16:04
    something called Hit List magic it's
  • 00:16:06
    just a bulling search in Google to find
  • 00:16:09
    the job postings of all the companies I
  • 00:16:12
    add them to a list I'm now going to try
  • 00:16:15
    and find three to five people that work
  • 00:16:18
    at each of those companies that's going
  • 00:16:20
    to go on this list I'm not going to
  • 00:16:23
    message these people right away I'm
  • 00:16:25
    going to follow them if I can and I'm
  • 00:16:27
    going to start engaging with with their
  • 00:16:29
    content I'm going to like something I'm
  • 00:16:31
    going to leave a comment on something
  • 00:16:33
    and I'm going to do this for as long as
  • 00:16:37
    I can possibly do it that's why I think
  • 00:16:39
    you should start this stuff really early
  • 00:16:40
    like when you're still learning but if
  • 00:16:42
    you're like hey Leon I lost my job I'm
  • 00:16:44
    actively hunting I still think you
  • 00:16:46
    should warm up your leads somewhat a
  • 00:16:48
    week or two CU you're still building out
  • 00:16:49
    the list you're building out all the
  • 00:16:50
    people you're taking some blocks of time
  • 00:16:53
    each day to do this engage warm
  • 00:16:56
    everything then once you've warmed up a
  • 00:16:59
    little bit you're going to send your
  • 00:17:01
    message to this person that message has
  • 00:17:04
    one of two strategies one it's a very
  • 00:17:07
    value or person driven message that the
  • 00:17:09
    person would actually reply to or it's a
  • 00:17:11
    more generic message that you're sending
  • 00:17:13
    but at way larger scale the personal
  • 00:17:16
    message I'm trying to find anything any
  • 00:17:19
    nugget anything that's like personal
  • 00:17:21
    about that person Danny has pickle ball
  • 00:17:24
    afficionado in their title on LinkedIn
  • 00:17:28
    your message better include something
  • 00:17:29
    about pickle ball they've made it such
  • 00:17:31
    an easy layup for you to talk to them
  • 00:17:35
    and Peak their interest you can find
  • 00:17:37
    that somewhere else in their profile you
  • 00:17:40
    can find that on their other social
  • 00:17:41
    media that might be connected and if
  • 00:17:43
    you're like Leon I can't find anything
  • 00:17:45
    on LinkedIn I can't find anything on
  • 00:17:46
    Twitter about this person they're
  • 00:17:47
    Incognito great find a different person
  • 00:17:50
    it's hard work it's a lot of work you're
  • 00:17:52
    building out a massive list hundreds of
  • 00:17:53
    people that should be on it great you've
  • 00:17:56
    warned them you send that message it's
  • 00:17:58
    personable has something they care about
  • 00:17:59
    and then you you make your ass hey would
  • 00:18:01
    love to take 10 minutes just to learn
  • 00:18:03
    more about your journey right boom you
  • 00:18:04
    send that message the other message you
  • 00:18:06
    could send is a direct hey I love what
  • 00:18:09
    you're doing at this
  • 00:18:10
    dodev I'm someone that's early in their
  • 00:18:13
    career journey I know you help a lot of
  • 00:18:15
    folks online I hope I can be one of
  • 00:18:16
    those people and that's like a very
  • 00:18:18
    simple message that you're sending out
  • 00:18:20
    but more at scale it's targeting their
  • 00:18:22
    company something that could be a little
  • 00:18:23
    bit more generically applied to most
  • 00:18:24
    people that they're helpful and you send
  • 00:18:26
    that out then you follow up most people
  • 00:18:31
    send one message they hear nothing back
  • 00:18:34
    and they just like think that lead is
  • 00:18:35
    lost and they go somewhere else no your
  • 00:18:37
    odds are going to increase with each
  • 00:18:39
    followup right with each engagement and
  • 00:18:42
    for sometimes if the LinkedIn doesn't
  • 00:18:44
    work out you have to try a different
  • 00:18:45
    platform but we're going to stay on
  • 00:18:46
    LinkedIn great that's my message
  • 00:18:48
    strategy one other thing I'll add about
  • 00:18:50
    the profile in your profile look like
  • 00:18:53
    someone that's hirable have a good
  • 00:18:55
    background have a good title have
  • 00:18:58
    activity that shows you're a real person
  • 00:19:00
    you know many messages we get from
  • 00:19:02
    somebody that has zero activity on
  • 00:19:03
    LinkedIn that has nothing going for it
  • 00:19:07
    that we just assume is a bot right if
  • 00:19:10
    you have added these people to a list
  • 00:19:12
    you've warmed them up they've seen the
  • 00:19:13
    likes they've seen the comments they
  • 00:19:15
    they have somewhere back in their brain
  • 00:19:17
    who you are you have a profile that
  • 00:19:19
    looks like a real person that has
  • 00:19:21
    activity that has who you are where you
  • 00:19:23
    what you've done the things that you've
  • 00:19:24
    worked on and you send a personal
  • 00:19:26
    message your odds of getting a reply are
  • 00:19:30
    so much different I think people lose a
  • 00:19:32
    lot of that Insight when they're just
  • 00:19:33
    sending a message all right what did I
  • 00:19:35
    do wrong Danny yeah I don't think you
  • 00:19:36
    did anything wrong I would so I only add
  • 00:19:40
    a couple things I think that message is
  • 00:19:43
    fine that there there's a couple things
  • 00:19:45
    that I would I would say number one
  • 00:19:48
    remember the higher up the list of
  • 00:19:50
    positions that you go the harder it is
  • 00:19:53
    for people to make that time and the way
  • 00:19:55
    that I equate this is let's say somebody
  • 00:19:57
    makes you know on average let's go ahead
  • 00:20:00
    and go with like easy math let's say
  • 00:20:02
    they make around like $200 an hour right
  • 00:20:05
    if you separate that by 60 Minutes that
  • 00:20:07
    means they were roughly making $3.50 an
  • 00:20:09
    hour per minute okay so that means if
  • 00:20:12
    they do a 10-minute call with you that's
  • 00:20:14
    $35 that they just gave up if they do a
  • 00:20:17
    20-minute call with you that's
  • 00:20:19
    $70 worth of their time right the higher
  • 00:20:23
    you go the harder it is for that ask so
  • 00:20:25
    it's like and then the other thing is if
  • 00:20:27
    you're going for someone who has like a
  • 00:20:29
    massive social media
  • 00:20:30
    following they're getting a ton of DMS
  • 00:20:33
    regularly they're getting a ton of
  • 00:20:34
    messages regularly unless they just have
  • 00:20:36
    this high priority to talk to Juniors
  • 00:20:41
    it's really hard to make that time so if
  • 00:20:44
    you're allocating this much effort try
  • 00:20:46
    to find people that may not necessarily
  • 00:20:48
    be quote unquote influencers try to find
  • 00:20:51
    people that are maybe smaller in the
  • 00:20:53
    following where they just post
  • 00:20:55
    occasionally they're going to have a
  • 00:20:57
    higher likelihood of actually reading
  • 00:20:58
    that message if it comes in that's
  • 00:21:00
    number one number two one extra thing
  • 00:21:03
    that I do to this step is I really
  • 00:21:07
    leverage uh LinkedIn search filters
  • 00:21:10
    meaning there are several things that
  • 00:21:12
    you can do uh and this is kind of like
  • 00:21:14
    like you know what I do right so for
  • 00:21:15
    example let's say give me a company name
  • 00:21:18
    that you like it could be anything it
  • 00:21:20
    doesn't matter this. laabs this. Labs
  • 00:21:23
    perfect I love that company too just so
  • 00:21:25
    happens that I'm a big fan of them uh if
  • 00:21:28
    I to go on uh LinkedIn right now and
  • 00:21:30
    type in this. laabs and I were to go to
  • 00:21:33
    post right I can go to post and now I
  • 00:21:36
    can do date posted by and I can filter
  • 00:21:38
    by the past 24 hours the past week the
  • 00:21:42
    past month so if I to do the last 24
  • 00:21:44
    hours that means this was a very real
  • 00:21:46
    recent post so if I comment on this High
  • 00:21:49
    likelihood that they're going to see
  • 00:21:51
    it's not going to be something that was
  • 00:21:51
    like a month ago it's yesterday or today
  • 00:21:55
    and so when I sort it by that and I show
  • 00:21:57
    the results I'm getting all these posts
  • 00:21:59
    from an hour ago 2 hours ago 3 hours ago
  • 00:22:02
    I can now comment on that and be one of
  • 00:22:05
    the first things that they see and so
  • 00:22:07
    for me I used to be really really big on
  • 00:22:09
    just sending blind DMS but the problem
  • 00:22:12
    is I spent a lot of effort even like the
  • 00:22:14
    effort that you were allocating and
  • 00:22:16
    describing there and if they ghost it
  • 00:22:19
    that effort had no success in any way
  • 00:22:22
    shap or form but what if my first
  • 00:22:25
    interaction with that person is a
  • 00:22:26
    comment and let's say that person has a
  • 00:22:29
    th000 followers right so not like a
  • 00:22:32
    massive Following over like 100,000
  • 00:22:33
    200,000 but a th000 followers I think a
  • 00:22:36
    th000 is pretty like reasonable for like
  • 00:22:39
    the average engineering manager or
  • 00:22:41
    recruiter or somebody like that's active
  • 00:22:42
    on LinkedIn that means when I comment on
  • 00:22:44
    that post theoretically Their audience
  • 00:22:49
    will see that one comment so instead of
  • 00:22:52
    it being a one to one relationship in
  • 00:22:54
    ratio it's not a one to potential of a
  • 00:22:56
    thousand right and then if this post
  • 00:22:58
    goes viral maybe 100,000 people see it
  • 00:23:00
    200,000 people see it maybe a fraction
  • 00:23:02
    of that number sees it but it's still
  • 00:23:04
    greater than the number one right and
  • 00:23:07
    the thing that is important here is I
  • 00:23:09
    can't comment something like really
  • 00:23:10
    great oh that's awesome yeah nobody
  • 00:23:13
    cares about that but if if somebody were
  • 00:23:15
    to talk about maybe they listened to our
  • 00:23:17
    previous episode on react 19 and they're
  • 00:23:20
    like you know what I just learned to use
  • 00:23:22
    optimistic hook because Danny and shuy
  • 00:23:24
    and Leon were talking about it and so
  • 00:23:26
    you know what they did they made a post
  • 00:23:27
    on it well I could go in there and talk
  • 00:23:29
    about like I actually just recently
  • 00:23:30
    built a project and utilize this Hook
  • 00:23:32
    and the way that I implemented was this
  • 00:23:34
    this and this did you find any weird use
  • 00:23:36
    cases or did you find any weird like
  • 00:23:38
    situations that you had to like overcode
  • 00:23:40
    or over engineer a solution in a certain
  • 00:23:42
    way because I had trouble doing this or
  • 00:23:45
    you could talk about how you had trouble
  • 00:23:46
    and how you got past it you've added so
  • 00:23:48
    much value to this conversation and so
  • 00:23:50
    not anybody that's reading the comments
  • 00:23:51
    they're going to really engage with it
  • 00:23:53
    and now if the author of that post
  • 00:23:54
    engage with it and then I end up in
  • 00:23:56
    their DM there's a way like higher
  • 00:23:59
    likelihood that they're going to kind of
  • 00:24:01
    interact with me now because they're
  • 00:24:02
    like oh wow I've already seen that this
  • 00:24:04
    person is like a developer they know
  • 00:24:06
    their stuff we're interacting we're
  • 00:24:07
    engaging we're networking seems cool
  • 00:24:10
    yeah I'm going to reply to this like
  • 00:24:11
    there there's nothing weird here and so
  • 00:24:13
    that increases your likelyhood a lot um
  • 00:24:16
    of them replying but the other thing is
  • 00:24:18
    by using that search filter I can go up
  • 00:24:20
    like by the week by the last 24 hours I
  • 00:24:23
    can now see at least they're active on
  • 00:24:25
    the platform for the most part so when I
  • 00:24:27
    go to their profile I can see quite a
  • 00:24:28
    bit of stuff I can learn quite a bit
  • 00:24:30
    about them since they just posted
  • 00:24:31
    something and so when my DM is now more
  • 00:24:34
    meaningful more accurate there's a
  • 00:24:37
    higher likelihood that things are going
  • 00:24:38
    to go in the favorable direction that I
  • 00:24:39
    want to do and so I would build rapport
  • 00:24:42
    and so in the example that you gave
  • 00:24:43
    about pickleball right I put that there
  • 00:24:45
    as an easy layup for people that want to
  • 00:24:47
    kind of reach out not everyone's that
  • 00:24:49
    generous right but like I'm very very
  • 00:24:52
    big on volunteering like my family we
  • 00:24:53
    still volunteer every single week it's
  • 00:24:55
    kind of like a big thing it's been a a
  • 00:24:56
    big way for me to kind of like even keep
  • 00:24:58
    my son with the mindset of like hey
  • 00:25:00
    volunteering is not just good for the
  • 00:25:02
    community but it's good for yourself
  • 00:25:03
    it's good for your soul it's good for
  • 00:25:05
    like there's so much benefit um and I I
  • 00:25:08
    really like the fact that he's kind of
  • 00:25:10
    enjoying it and kind of gathering
  • 00:25:12
    towards himself towards it and he sees
  • 00:25:13
    like the bigger picture and the bigger
  • 00:25:15
    good with it but for me I would look at
  • 00:25:17
    somebody's profile and if they're
  • 00:25:18
    volunteering somewhere like you know
  • 00:25:20
    what I volunteer at XYZ I see that
  • 00:25:22
    you're volunteering ABC instead like can
  • 00:25:24
    you tell me some stuff about that I
  • 00:25:25
    would really love to know more about
  • 00:25:27
    there cuz maybe I'd want to go volunteer
  • 00:25:29
    for there for a weekend or something
  • 00:25:31
    like that cuz I volunteer here it's kind
  • 00:25:32
    of always me my schedule and I really
  • 00:25:34
    love the mission um and I volunteered
  • 00:25:36
    also at uh de and I've had a great time
  • 00:25:38
    there can you tell me a little about ABC
  • 00:25:41
    if someone is inv volunteering they're
  • 00:25:42
    going to gush about that like that's an
  • 00:25:44
    easy easy win to kind of get them
  • 00:25:46
    talking plus especially if it's
  • 00:25:48
    something that you really like yep
  • 00:25:50
    that's an easy conversation every single
  • 00:25:52
    time yeah you can identify that like
  • 00:25:54
    true passion that thing that someone
  • 00:25:56
    really cares about there's there's no
  • 00:25:58
    way you're not getting a response I also
  • 00:26:01
    love the I guess I was calling it
  • 00:26:03
    warming but I I never thought of the
  • 00:26:05
    warming as being a one to many and so
  • 00:26:08
    you're not like it's actually a better
  • 00:26:10
    use of your time that warming period
  • 00:26:13
    because you have more opportunities uh
  • 00:26:15
    that for other folks to see it I think
  • 00:26:17
    that's huge now I I do want to say
  • 00:26:20
    something MH I think we've given a lot
  • 00:26:22
    of like very actional pieces of advice
  • 00:26:25
    here and these are kind of our worst
  • 00:26:27
    performing episodes
  • 00:26:28
    I think we reveal like the secrets but
  • 00:26:31
    the secrets are like a lot of hard work
  • 00:26:33
    and then people kind of just like and
  • 00:26:35
    they they disappear so I I want to take
  • 00:26:37
    a moment to like talk about that
  • 00:26:41
    because what I want people to figure out
  • 00:26:43
    is that there are ways to get an
  • 00:26:45
    advantage in the job search process the
  • 00:26:48
    things that we're mentioning you don't
  • 00:26:50
    have to do you might still get lucky but
  • 00:26:52
    these are things you can actually do
  • 00:26:54
    right now that tip the odds more and
  • 00:26:56
    more in your favor and we're never going
  • 00:26:58
    to say to do all of them but it's part
  • 00:27:00
    of our job I think with this podcast to
  • 00:27:01
    show you how the game is being played
  • 00:27:04
    realize that you're going up against
  • 00:27:05
    folks that are doing this and are making
  • 00:27:09
    time for it and so when your your job
  • 00:27:11
    search is not going the way you want it
  • 00:27:13
    you have to realize that there are out
  • 00:27:14
    people out here playing the game to this
  • 00:27:18
    level and what are you going to do to
  • 00:27:20
    have a competitive Advantage right and
  • 00:27:23
    so we've given you the things that we
  • 00:27:25
    think are going to be competitive
  • 00:27:26
    advantages and now it's taking the time
  • 00:27:29
    and energy to to to follow through and
  • 00:27:32
    it's okay to give yourself some Grace
  • 00:27:34
    it's okay to build up to it but it's
  • 00:27:36
    it's a numbers game and it's an
  • 00:27:38
    advantage game and what are you doing to
  • 00:27:40
    tip the scales in your favor man I can't
  • 00:27:43
    believe you said that out loud CU we've
  • 00:27:45
    been talking about this for weeks and um
  • 00:27:49
    so spoiler to the listeners we look at
  • 00:27:52
    the analytics a lot because obviously
  • 00:27:54
    want to keep improving this and every
  • 00:27:56
    single time there's an episode where we
  • 00:27:59
    start giving actionable things people
  • 00:28:00
    can do it almost dispels the idea like
  • 00:28:03
    there's some magic formula that people
  • 00:28:05
    are just searching for and it on almost
  • 00:28:08
    immediately takes a nose dive and so
  • 00:28:11
    we've theorized we've hoped that maybe
  • 00:28:13
    people hear the actionable things and
  • 00:28:15
    they just immediately jump to it but
  • 00:28:17
    then the other side is maybe they found
  • 00:28:19
    out it's not a smooth walk in the park
  • 00:28:22
    and they just get ah let me find that
  • 00:28:25
    that little source of U
  • 00:28:28
    almost supporting the feedback that they
  • 00:28:30
    want to hear versus actual feedback and
  • 00:28:33
    it kind of keeps them in the same habit
  • 00:28:35
    but the reality is there are people that
  • 00:28:37
    are doing this I get approached by them
  • 00:28:39
    frequently in the cohort right now we
  • 00:28:41
    have 150 people that are doing this and
  • 00:28:44
    they're making actionable actionable
  • 00:28:46
    results that you can you can literally
  • 00:28:47
    see like I constantly get comments from
  • 00:28:50
    them saying dang I've never used my
  • 00:28:52
    calendar like this I've never reached
  • 00:28:53
    out to people I've never had these kinds
  • 00:28:55
    of conversations I've never seen my
  • 00:28:57
    network grow fast and it's there like
  • 00:29:00
    the proof is there it's it's not
  • 00:29:02
    something magical or hidden and so I I
  • 00:29:06
    kind of want to definitely jump into one
  • 00:29:08
    extra area here but I will say this that
  • 00:29:10
    if you find yourself having trouble
  • 00:29:12
    getting conversations with people at a
  • 00:29:15
    higher level so maybe senior Dez maybe
  • 00:29:17
    engineering manager D whatever may be on
  • 00:29:19
    that
  • 00:29:20
    hierarchy get some with the people on
  • 00:29:22
    your same level like reach out to
  • 00:29:25
    another Junior that you know doesn't
  • 00:29:27
    have a job in Tech if you're trying to
  • 00:29:28
    get your first job in Tech and have a
  • 00:29:30
    conversation if you can't have a
  • 00:29:31
    conversation with that person and
  • 00:29:33
    they're in the same situation that
  • 00:29:34
    you're in I think that's a very clear
  • 00:29:36
    indicator that you're doing something
  • 00:29:38
    very obviously incorrect but also I
  • 00:29:41
    wouldn't put yeah I was going to say I
  • 00:29:42
    wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket
  • 00:29:44
    of like I reached out to one person they
  • 00:29:46
    have to say yes it's a numbers game you
  • 00:29:48
    got to reach out to more than one person
  • 00:29:49
    we're talking hundreds not one hundreds
  • 00:29:52
    and the last thing I'll say too is you
  • 00:29:53
    don't have to start this on your own
  • 00:29:54
    there's so many communities that
  • 00:29:57
    actively are working on these things
  • 00:29:59
    right you can join cohorts that Danny
  • 00:30:01
    puts on you can join 100 devs with me
  • 00:30:02
    like you can join folks that are
  • 00:30:04
    actively practicing these things so you
  • 00:30:06
    get better at these skills you know have
  • 00:30:07
    someone look at your messages all for
  • 00:30:09
    free like you can you can do it so make
  • 00:30:11
    sure you're joining those communities to
  • 00:30:12
    get those gut checks to to get the
  • 00:30:15
    motivation to keep pushing we've been
  • 00:30:17
    live every day except for Wednesdays for
  • 00:30:19
    the past month 400 plus people on a on a
  • 00:30:22
    Discord call every single day and we're
  • 00:30:24
    getting five plus people every single
  • 00:30:28
    call that are actively getting
  • 00:30:29
    interviews and getting jobs it's pretty
  • 00:30:32
    much all last week every single day
  • 00:30:33
    somebody got a job multiple people got
  • 00:30:35
    jobs and multiple people getting
  • 00:30:36
    interviews every single day and so if
  • 00:30:39
    you are just in an echo chamber of
  • 00:30:41
    negativity online find some positivity
  • 00:30:45
    spaces as well because I think a lot of
  • 00:30:46
    times people hear this actional advice
  • 00:30:48
    and the thing that we tell ourselves is
  • 00:30:50
    it's even if I do it it's not going to
  • 00:30:52
    work out so get yourself into a space
  • 00:30:54
    where there is some positivity where
  • 00:30:56
    people are putting these tips and Strate
  • 00:30:58
    in the practice and they're seeing the
  • 00:31:00
    results of that labor if you're just
  • 00:31:01
    seeing negativity negativity negativity
  • 00:31:04
    I I get it I understand why you just
  • 00:31:05
    click off and go do something else so
  • 00:31:07
    make sure you're getting these spaces
  • 00:31:08
    where you can see people winning people
  • 00:31:09
    getting the offers people telling you
  • 00:31:11
    boots on the ground what's actually
  • 00:31:13
    working if you don't have a community
  • 00:31:14
    yet you should join one of ours yes so
  • 00:31:17
    kind of moving into the other space you
  • 00:31:19
    know coffee chats and all that are great
  • 00:31:21
    getting those conversations are very
  • 00:31:23
    valuable the other thing I really want
  • 00:31:25
    to touch on is mindset around certain
  • 00:31:27
    things and so for example when it comes
  • 00:31:29
    to your LinkedIn your resume the ways
  • 00:31:32
    that you're reaching out you know before
  • 00:31:34
    you reach out to that person like this
  • 00:31:37
    is the one thing that I always tell like
  • 00:31:39
    beginners like I know that you're
  • 00:31:40
    amazing and you know that you're amazing
  • 00:31:43
    but you have this very incredibly
  • 00:31:46
    difficult task to get someone to
  • 00:31:49
    understand you comprehend you based off
  • 00:31:51
    the information that you're providing
  • 00:31:53
    them when you reach out to somebody or
  • 00:31:55
    when you apply to a job they are not
  • 00:31:57
    hiring a private investigator to go be
  • 00:32:00
    like Danny just applied to this job go
  • 00:32:02
    find out everything about this person
  • 00:32:04
    they get your message they got your
  • 00:32:06
    LinkedIn they got your resume that's
  • 00:32:08
    about it right like that's what you gave
  • 00:32:09
    them to go off of and so the one thing I
  • 00:32:13
    want to really start like pressing upon
  • 00:32:15
    and like this is actually information
  • 00:32:16
    that I always pretty much saved for 101
  • 00:32:19
    calls right and there's a big reason for
  • 00:32:22
    that because we all know that there are
  • 00:32:25
    quite a few people out there that they
  • 00:32:28
    literally listen for what we say and
  • 00:32:30
    they'll go make all this content around
  • 00:32:32
    it there I I won't even lie we made one
  • 00:32:35
    episode two weeks ago that we finally
  • 00:32:37
    published and not even a different day
  • 00:32:40
    it was the same day of publishing cuz
  • 00:32:42
    you know we published at 6:00 a.m. at
  • 00:32:44
    100 p.m. on Tik Tok I saw the video go
  • 00:32:47
    up and I could not believe it it's was
  • 00:32:51
    like there's no way this is a he used my
  • 00:32:53
    exact quote I'm like there's no way that
  • 00:32:55
    this is a coincidence but I I will give
  • 00:32:58
    this one I as long as they put out for
  • 00:33:00
    free I'm happy but it's like when they
  • 00:33:01
    put it behind a pay wall they charge for
  • 00:33:03
    that's when I start getting hot but when
  • 00:33:04
    it comes to this stuff you need to start
  • 00:33:07
    thinking more along the lines of what
  • 00:33:10
    conversations do I want gain from this
  • 00:33:12
    but what do I want the person walking
  • 00:33:14
    away knowing about me like you can't
  • 00:33:16
    look at your LinkedIn and resume even
  • 00:33:18
    the message as like a checkbox item it's
  • 00:33:21
    like what do you want them walking away
  • 00:33:23
    feeling knowing if they don't even ever
  • 00:33:27
    reply to you what would you hope that
  • 00:33:28
    they walk away with because maybe if you
  • 00:33:30
    meet this person in person can you
  • 00:33:33
    recall that can they remember you
  • 00:33:34
    favorably or you know what happened to
  • 00:33:36
    me not too long ago I had interacted
  • 00:33:39
    with somebody at an event and when they
  • 00:33:41
    went to DM me they realized I had
  • 00:33:43
    reached out to them in the past and they
  • 00:33:44
    didn't reply and they're like oh I
  • 00:33:46
    didn't realize I missed this message
  • 00:33:47
    from you I'm glad that we connect this
  • 00:33:49
    is such a great message and we started a
  • 00:33:51
    conversation based on a message I sent
  • 00:33:53
    months ago so it's like if you leave
  • 00:33:55
    this in a good position they walk away
  • 00:33:57
    favorably like it can only feed back
  • 00:33:59
    into that conversation later on so it's
  • 00:34:01
    like what do you want them actually
  • 00:34:02
    walking away with and I can tell you
  • 00:34:04
    right now that one question in 99.9% of
  • 00:34:08
    my um one-on ones it has always me with
  • 00:34:12
    I have literally never thought about
  • 00:34:13
    that and it's the only shot you get too
  • 00:34:15
    and it's formed so quickly here's if you
  • 00:34:18
    want to put this advice into action take
  • 00:34:21
    your resume T your take your LinkedIn
  • 00:34:24
    and just start with those two things go
  • 00:34:26
    to anyone you know your friend your mama
  • 00:34:29
    your cooworker put the resume in front
  • 00:34:31
    of them and give them 6 seconds to read
  • 00:34:34
    it at the end of the 6 seconds take the
  • 00:34:36
    resume back and say what do you know
  • 00:34:38
    about me from this resume and they'll be
  • 00:34:41
    like your name great that's what a
  • 00:34:44
    recruiter knows about you in the six
  • 00:34:45
    seconds that they spend on your resume
  • 00:34:48
    cuz sometimes you put your resume you
  • 00:34:49
    put your name then your address then
  • 00:34:52
    your phone number then your email and
  • 00:34:53
    they're reading it in f-shaped pattern
  • 00:34:55
    they don't get to anything about you now
  • 00:34:57
    give them back the resume and say all
  • 00:34:59
    right Mama I want you to take a minute
  • 00:35:01
    and I'm going to take it away and I want
  • 00:35:02
    you to tell me everything you remember
  • 00:35:03
    about who I am and whether or not you
  • 00:35:05
    would hire me give them the full minute
  • 00:35:07
    take it back and say what do you
  • 00:35:09
    remember about me what have I done and
  • 00:35:11
    if they can't tell you something if
  • 00:35:13
    there's no theme if they don't know that
  • 00:35:14
    you're a software engineer that's done X
  • 00:35:16
    Y and Z there's something wrong with
  • 00:35:18
    your resume that you can fix you do the
  • 00:35:21
    same thing with your LinkedIn give them
  • 00:35:22
    10 seconds to look at it what do they
  • 00:35:24
    know about you right there are things
  • 00:35:26
    that you can do words you can repeat
  • 00:35:28
    that if it's set upright people will see
  • 00:35:30
    software engineer software engineer
  • 00:35:31
    software engineer so the first keyword
  • 00:35:33
    they should say is software engineer so
  • 00:35:35
    many people we talk to it's not that I
  • 00:35:38
    have an interest in cats and so I want
  • 00:35:40
    to start a cat rescue and then like they
  • 00:35:41
    don't ever get to the software
  • 00:35:42
    engineering piece and then you look at
  • 00:35:44
    the titles on their on their LinkedIn or
  • 00:35:47
    the titles on their resume the software
  • 00:35:49
    engineer piece is like far off to the
  • 00:35:50
    right hand side so all I see is cat
  • 00:35:53
    rescue but I don't know that you're a
  • 00:35:55
    software engineer at it and I'm not
  • 00:35:56
    going to give you the time time of day
  • 00:35:58
    to form that opinion you get one shot
  • 00:36:00
    it's formed in seconds and you have to
  • 00:36:02
    make sure everything is correct it looks
  • 00:36:04
    good it reads right it it's
  • 00:36:07
    understandable because people that are
  • 00:36:09
    doing this for a living are only giving
  • 00:36:10
    you so much time to cycle through it and
  • 00:36:12
    if they have to work to find these
  • 00:36:14
    things out about you like Danny's saying
  • 00:36:16
    they're not going to do it they're just
  • 00:36:17
    going to move on to another candidate
  • 00:36:18
    that's going to present themselves in a
  • 00:36:20
    way that they can understand and they
  • 00:36:22
    could be worse they could have worse
  • 00:36:24
    projects they could have I think of that
  • 00:36:26
    Meme whack LinkedIn whack Twitter whack
  • 00:36:29
    like it could be worse in every single
  • 00:36:30
    way but it just it's they put it on a
  • 00:36:32
    platter and somebody they're tired at
  • 00:36:34
    the end of the day they have to look at
  • 00:36:35
    three more candidates and somebody
  • 00:36:36
    serves it up that's who they're going to
  • 00:36:38
    go with so please for the love of
  • 00:36:40
    everything just take your stuff and show
  • 00:36:43
    it to somebody else so they can see the
  • 00:36:44
    things that you're not seeing tell let
  • 00:36:46
    them tell you what they see to tell you
  • 00:36:48
    whether or not you you you're passing
  • 00:36:50
    that check and so many folks that we do
  • 00:36:53
    101's with don't pass that very very
  • 00:36:56
    Baseline level and it's such an easy
  • 00:36:58
    check that you could do right now 100%
  • 00:37:00
    and I'll even say this you know taking
  • 00:37:02
    one step further if you are early career
  • 00:37:05
    so like maybe you maybe have had one job
  • 00:37:08
    in your life or maybe your entire
  • 00:37:10
    background has not had anything to do
  • 00:37:12
    with um Tech and so you're a career
  • 00:37:14
    transitioner one of the most powerful
  • 00:37:16
    things you can use is your summary
  • 00:37:18
    statement and your summary statement
  • 00:37:21
    should not be used to explain what it is
  • 00:37:24
    like Oh I'm a construction worker trying
  • 00:37:27
    to to transition like that's the worst
  • 00:37:29
    thing you could put you need to talk
  • 00:37:31
    about your relation into the role that
  • 00:37:33
    you're going for especially when you
  • 00:37:35
    don't have that Tech experience because
  • 00:37:37
    if your experience section just says
  • 00:37:39
    here are all these projects that I made
  • 00:37:41
    and then it says construction workers
  • 00:37:42
    Barista Etc that doesn't tell them
  • 00:37:45
    anything but if your summary statement
  • 00:37:47
    says something along the lines of like
  • 00:37:49
    um software engineer with uh budding
  • 00:37:52
    projects and intellectual property Etc
  • 00:37:54
    you know just whatever it is but at
  • 00:37:56
    least it sets the tone for them to
  • 00:37:58
    realize okay this is a person that's
  • 00:37:59
    trying to go professional in software
  • 00:38:01
    development right so whatever their
  • 00:38:03
    previous experience is let me not look
  • 00:38:04
    for it for the technical Acumen but let
  • 00:38:06
    me see whatever other things that
  • 00:38:08
    they've applied there but if you
  • 00:38:09
    literally put Barista and you made
  • 00:38:10
    coffee like I know you made coffee like
  • 00:38:13
    I could have assume that there are
  • 00:38:15
    certain things your roof is leaking yeah
  • 00:38:18
    do you want to hire the person that's
  • 00:38:20
    aspiring to be a roof Builder or the
  • 00:38:22
    roof Builder to be honest I want the
  • 00:38:24
    shoe repairment no I uh the Sho
  • 00:38:28
    repairman that's transitioning into roof
  • 00:38:30
    repair right yeah and so it's just
  • 00:38:33
    absurd to me that like yes those stories
  • 00:38:36
    are important they're things that you
  • 00:38:37
    can bring up when you're meeting real
  • 00:38:38
    people but when you have a recruiter
  • 00:38:40
    that's trying to hire a professional
  • 00:38:42
    they don't want to hear about they want
  • 00:38:44
    to be if I bring this person and I put
  • 00:38:46
    them in front of the Nerds they're going
  • 00:38:47
    to ask them technical questions do I
  • 00:38:49
    look bad for having referred this person
  • 00:38:52
    that's transitioning from the cat rescue
  • 00:38:55
    right no they want to find a
  • 00:38:56
    professional that can fix a problem that
  • 00:38:58
    can solve a real need so if you're a
  • 00:39:00
    professional treat yourself like a
  • 00:39:02
    professional doesn't mean that the story
  • 00:39:03
    is not important doesn't mean that it
  • 00:39:04
    doesn't come up in certain areas but if
  • 00:39:06
    I'm giving you six seconds and my roof
  • 00:39:08
    is leak and I want the person that can
  • 00:39:09
    build a roof not the person that's
  • 00:39:11
    aspiring to build roofs yep I actually
  • 00:39:13
    have data on this uh there was a study
  • 00:39:15
    that was done that showed uh for like
  • 00:39:18
    actual recruiters and hiring managers
  • 00:39:20
    the number of times that they put in
  • 00:39:23
    terms like aspiring software developer
  • 00:39:25
    uh do you know what that number was Zero
  • 00:39:27
    never they've never done that ever
  • 00:39:29
    they've never
  • 00:39:32
    never literally never did they the
  • 00:39:35
    hiring manager wake up was like you know
  • 00:39:37
    what would be great to add to the team
  • 00:39:38
    an aspiring sof aspiring we don't want
  • 00:39:42
    the one that's already confident no no
  • 00:39:43
    no we want the on that's still trying to
  • 00:39:44
    gain the confidence to call themselves
  • 00:39:46
    The thing that they are and I'm not
  • 00:39:49
    saying go over here and lie about the
  • 00:39:51
    thing but you know what's funny if I
  • 00:39:53
    were to say you know I'm uh a carpenter
  • 00:39:56
    like I can build build you a shelf right
  • 00:39:59
    I would never say I'm an aspiring
  • 00:40:00
    Carpenter I hope to build a shelf like
  • 00:40:03
    I've built it I've got a bunch of my
  • 00:40:04
    garages that I could showcase to you
  • 00:40:06
    yeah editor can we put a picture of a
  • 00:40:08
    shelf in his hands right there that's
  • 00:40:11
    exactly how it goes and so um don't put
  • 00:40:14
    aspiring if aspiring is anywhere on your
  • 00:40:15
    profile I can tell you right now that's
  • 00:40:17
    probably a big reason why um you're not
  • 00:40:18
    getting clicks not getting hired I will
  • 00:40:20
    say the last thing that I'll say is when
  • 00:40:22
    it comes to the story or narrative
  • 00:40:26
    around what what you can do in your
  • 00:40:29
    abilities brag like there's this whole
  • 00:40:32
    thing on social media where like humble
  • 00:40:33
    brag oh my God this is the place to do
  • 00:40:36
    it they don't know anything about you
  • 00:40:39
    and they want to see the bragging hiring
  • 00:40:42
    is about what are the brags so we can be
  • 00:40:44
    excited about this employee if you keep
  • 00:40:47
    burying the lead you're doing yourself a
  • 00:40:50
    disservice and when it comes to your
  • 00:40:52
    LinkedIn your resume your very first
  • 00:40:54
    bullet point every single time needs to
  • 00:40:57
    the best bullet point that you have for
  • 00:41:00
    that role for some reason and I don't
  • 00:41:02
    know why it seems like and I've reviewed
  • 00:41:06
    probably 5 to 10,000 rumes at this point
  • 00:41:09
    if I'm being uh not even generous but
  • 00:41:11
    probably you know on the lower end of
  • 00:41:13
    side of things now we're talking about
  • 00:41:14
    seven years but chest for whatever
  • 00:41:18
    reason it always seems like their best
  • 00:41:20
    bullet point is the last one like they
  • 00:41:21
    need to build up the suspense I can tell
  • 00:41:24
    you right now application using agile
  • 00:41:26
    methodology is number one oh
  • 00:41:30
    God it's I I don't understand the whole
  • 00:41:32
    buildup part and I don't think they're
  • 00:41:33
    doing it intentionally or maybe they are
  • 00:41:35
    but the reality is if it's not a home
  • 00:41:37
    run on the first one it's so hard to
  • 00:41:39
    keep them hooked to watch to the end
  • 00:41:41
    they don't owe you the time just because
  • 00:41:43
    you applied and so you need to
  • 00:41:44
    incentivize them you need to hit a bull
  • 00:41:46
    a home run to where they're like whoa I
  • 00:41:48
    need to find out more about this what do
  • 00:41:49
    they do here let me kind of dig down
  • 00:41:51
    deep and then if they're able to even
  • 00:41:53
    develop questions around that guess what
  • 00:41:55
    if they ask you those questions in
  • 00:41:56
    interview how are you going to possibly
  • 00:41:58
    fail that interview I like that we're
  • 00:42:00
    right here man cuz I was going to say
  • 00:42:01
    there's no humbleness on the hunt there
  • 00:42:04
    there's there's no room for the the I
  • 00:42:06
    don't want them to feel like I'm I'm I'm
  • 00:42:08
    being a little too ragged docious no
  • 00:42:11
    that's the damn point we want to know
  • 00:42:13
    what you did what you've done the
  • 00:42:15
    metrics behind it why you're the hottest
  • 00:42:19
    thing since sliced bread and why I as a
  • 00:42:21
    recruiter am not going to get in trouble
  • 00:42:24
    when I put you in front of the hiring
  • 00:42:25
    team right like like that's it give me
  • 00:42:28
    your best this is the one chance in life
  • 00:42:30
    where there's there's there's no need to
  • 00:42:32
    hold back no need for the humbleness
  • 00:42:34
    it's not going to serve you and so many
  • 00:42:37
    people just can't carry that into the
  • 00:42:39
    interview process and so is not we're
  • 00:42:41
    not trying to get on folks here we're
  • 00:42:42
    just trying to help you see the things
  • 00:42:44
    that I think a lot of folks just
  • 00:42:46
    Overlook they're too humble they don't
  • 00:42:48
    talk about themselves in a positive
  • 00:42:50
    light they're they're afraid of maybe
  • 00:42:53
    misleading someone but no it's it's just
  • 00:42:55
    that you are professional
  • 00:42:57
    you've put the time and energy to learn
  • 00:43:00
    these things to build these things put
  • 00:43:02
    your best foot forward show them the
  • 00:43:04
    things that you can build show them the
  • 00:43:05
    things you can do talk about yourself in
  • 00:43:07
    the most positive light because if
  • 00:43:08
    you're not going to do it no one else
  • 00:43:11
    will and so many other people that
  • 00:43:14
    probably have less skill less experience
  • 00:43:16
    but are not afraid to put their best
  • 00:43:18
    foot forward are going to step right
  • 00:43:20
    over you and into a job yeah and I think
  • 00:43:23
    the last era we can glaze on real fast
  • 00:43:25
    is interview strategy and so uh we're
  • 00:43:27
    not going to really go through the whole
  • 00:43:28
    strategies but the one thing I really
  • 00:43:29
    want you to think about is and it's like
  • 00:43:31
    three bullet points it's like technical
  • 00:43:33
    interviews aren't just
  • 00:43:35
    technical notes worth taking and the
  • 00:43:39
    last one that I will say is that if you
  • 00:43:42
    aren't giving them a reason to
  • 00:43:44
    talk they won't all right so what does
  • 00:43:47
    that even mean number one technical
  • 00:43:49
    interviews aren't technical only
  • 00:43:51
    technical meaning they're evaluating a
  • 00:43:54
    ton of things in there right and
  • 00:43:56
    so I can tell you right now as someone
  • 00:43:58
    that has led many technical interviews
  • 00:44:00
    been a part of technical interviews and
  • 00:44:01
    given technical interviews you know
  • 00:44:03
    what's the first thing that happens
  • 00:44:04
    after the devs leave that technical
  • 00:44:05
    interview the hiring manager and
  • 00:44:07
    Technical manager end up reaching out to
  • 00:44:09
    them via slack or teams it's like how
  • 00:44:11
    did that go then they're going to
  • 00:44:12
    reference the notes that they gave them
  • 00:44:14
    right like this is what happened this is
  • 00:44:16
    what they did and the impression if you
  • 00:44:19
    don't give them stuff to talk
  • 00:44:21
    about they're not going to have
  • 00:44:23
    something favorable to say about you the
  • 00:44:26
    other thing that I'll say is when it
  • 00:44:27
    comes to technical they can say whether
  • 00:44:29
    you got the right or wrong answer but if
  • 00:44:31
    they're in there with you they're
  • 00:44:33
    actually in there to evaluate what your
  • 00:44:35
    solving your problem solving process
  • 00:44:37
    actually looks like like they can
  • 00:44:39
    determine whether you know a data
  • 00:44:40
    structure an algorithm kind of question
  • 00:44:42
    and answer process but if you're not
  • 00:44:44
    talking through it if you're not
  • 00:44:45
    explaining it if you're not asking
  • 00:44:47
    questions to kind of show them what
  • 00:44:48
    you're thinking about they have nothing
  • 00:44:50
    to go off of and so they just have to go
  • 00:44:52
    off of whether you got the right or
  • 00:44:54
    wrong answer and so then when people are
  • 00:44:56
    like oh I bombed this question was like
  • 00:44:58
    did you at least show them what you can
  • 00:44:59
    how you were approaching it and how you
  • 00:45:01
    were solving it and talk through it um I
  • 00:45:03
    always say think out loud that's like my
  • 00:45:05
    biggest tip when it comes to technical
  • 00:45:06
    interviews especially if they're in the
  • 00:45:08
    room with you think out loud second
  • 00:45:12
    Point notes worth taking whenever an
  • 00:45:15
    interview happens they're taking notes
  • 00:45:17
    to reference and they're sharing those
  • 00:45:18
    notes with the people that would
  • 00:45:19
    theoretically do interview number two 3
  • 00:45:21
    four Etc if those notes aren't worth
  • 00:45:24
    taking and worth sharing they will glaze
  • 00:45:26
    over over the next 2 3 4 5 6 10
  • 00:45:29
    candidates and they're going to go to
  • 00:45:31
    the ones that have interesting notes to
  • 00:45:32
    follow up on they can give their
  • 00:45:34
    recommendation of I think you should
  • 00:45:35
    probably talk to this person but if they
  • 00:45:38
    don't have anything to go off of a
  • 00:45:39
    substance you're getting skipped for
  • 00:45:40
    somebody else and the last one I'll say
  • 00:45:43
    is if you don't give them a reason to
  • 00:45:44
    talk they won't meaning if you are not
  • 00:45:47
    giving them questions back if you are
  • 00:45:50
    not asking them things if you're not
  • 00:45:51
    engaging with them they won't there's
  • 00:45:53
    going to be a point where they're like
  • 00:45:54
    you know this I think this interview is
  • 00:45:56
    up I think I got enough
  • 00:45:57
    you will probably say like oh I probably
  • 00:45:59
    killed it for them they're like I'm so
  • 00:46:01
    glad to finally be out of that
  • 00:46:02
    conversation and there was a stat and I
  • 00:46:04
    don't necessarily agree with it I
  • 00:46:07
    understand it but I think it's foolish
  • 00:46:08
    to where I believe the number was around
  • 00:46:10
    80% or 85% one of the two I I tweeted it
  • 00:46:13
    out a long time ago but I think it was
  • 00:46:15
    80%
  • 00:46:16
    plus of employers literally said
  • 00:46:20
    candidates that do not ask questions and
  • 00:46:23
    engaging questions in the interview are
  • 00:46:24
    probably not interested which is foolish
  • 00:46:26
    because like I wouldn't even be there if
  • 00:46:28
    I wasn't interested I wouldn't be
  • 00:46:29
    wasting all this effort and time but
  • 00:46:31
    that is the way they think and so if
  • 00:46:33
    you're not in there asking questions
  • 00:46:35
    what are you doing to yourself like
  • 00:46:37
    you're killing yourself here like give
  • 00:46:39
    them a reason to talk you're there to
  • 00:46:41
    qualify yourself but guess what they're
  • 00:46:43
    there to qualify themselves to you too
  • 00:46:45
    I'm about to spend the equivalent of
  • 00:46:49
    what the amount of hours I sleep in a
  • 00:46:51
    week give or take
  • 00:46:54
    here why the heck wouldn't I make sure
  • 00:46:57
    this is the best fit for me now I
  • 00:46:59
    understand I get in debates on this
  • 00:47:00
    especially on Twitter where it's like
  • 00:47:02
    for your first job just take anything I
  • 00:47:03
    kind of disagree mainly because like I
  • 00:47:06
    genuinely believe my first job set up my
  • 00:47:08
    entire career and so I'm grateful that I
  • 00:47:12
    was very picky but I understand we're
  • 00:47:14
    also in a market where you may not
  • 00:47:15
    necessarily have that luxury but I would
  • 00:47:17
    say is at least ask some of the
  • 00:47:19
    prerequisites that you feel like you
  • 00:47:21
    need to make sure that this is the job
  • 00:47:22
    of your dreams retweet everything I
  • 00:47:24
    think there's a lot of things here that
  • 00:47:28
    were trying to point to this idea that
  • 00:47:31
    Impressions matter Vibes matter and it
  • 00:47:35
    it it's it's a big part of whether or
  • 00:47:38
    not you make it to following rounds
  • 00:47:40
    right did you engage with the person
  • 00:47:42
    it's communication it's collaboration
  • 00:47:44
    it's not just the code that's going to
  • 00:47:47
    make that person rate you favorably
  • 00:47:49
    leave good notes about you and it's one
  • 00:47:51
    of those things that we just see time
  • 00:47:53
    and time again that people kind of
  • 00:47:55
    forget as part of the equation and so I
  • 00:47:58
    hope as you've been listening to this
  • 00:47:59
    episode there's at least a few things
  • 00:48:01
    you're like wait a minute I haven't been
  • 00:48:02
    thinking about this I haven't been
  • 00:48:03
    looking at this I hope that you're not
  • 00:48:05
    critical I think I hope you're
  • 00:48:06
    analytical I hope you look at the things
  • 00:48:08
    you're doing I hope you decide to make
  • 00:48:10
    some changes you test those changes with
  • 00:48:12
    other humans so you can see the things
  • 00:48:14
    that you might not uh be noticing we we
  • 00:48:18
    get some sort of sensory adaptation over
  • 00:48:20
    time to where like we don't see the
  • 00:48:21
    small things but it's a bunch of these
  • 00:48:23
    small things that actually matter what
  • 00:48:25
    people perceive what people feel what
  • 00:48:28
    people see all come down to a lot of
  • 00:48:31
    these small little things coming
  • 00:48:32
    together into a wonderful being that is
  • 00:48:35
    you and the cool thing is that each one
  • 00:48:37
    of these little things are in your
  • 00:48:38
    control you can work to improve it and
  • 00:48:40
    if you commit to some sort of schedule
  • 00:48:42
    of improving these things you get to the
  • 00:48:44
    other side you get to the point where
  • 00:48:45
    you're getting good interviews you're
  • 00:48:47
    getting good opportunities you're
  • 00:48:48
    getting good jobs now and forever all
  • 00:48:51
    right we got a we got a question here
  • 00:48:52
    what website SL job board should I use
  • 00:48:55
    to search for job
  • 00:48:57
    besides LinkedIn indeed you want to
  • 00:49:00
    answer this first I have a whole take on
  • 00:49:01
    this so it's up to you sure so I think
  • 00:49:03
    every location has their like own local
  • 00:49:06
    job boards that you should be looking
  • 00:49:08
    for right so you should make sure you're
  • 00:49:10
    you're not missing out like on the big
  • 00:49:11
    ones like also the local ones local
  • 00:49:13
    startup ones are important of course
  • 00:49:15
    there's um other big players in the job
  • 00:49:19
    boards but my advice is to kind of not
  • 00:49:22
    worry about individual jobs on job
  • 00:49:24
    boards I think if you're focused on that
  • 00:49:25
    you've already missed most most of them
  • 00:49:27
    cuz a lot of companies aren't posting on
  • 00:49:29
    these boards or they open and they're
  • 00:49:30
    only open for 24 hours and you've missed
  • 00:49:32
    it so I use the job boards for like
  • 00:49:34
    macro level ideas of like who's hiring
  • 00:49:37
    they get put on a list of folks I'm
  • 00:49:38
    networking into and trying to find like
  • 00:49:41
    actionable roles through and the other
  • 00:49:43
    thing that I do is I use something
  • 00:49:44
    called Hit List magic which will be on
  • 00:49:46
    our website which will be live when this
  • 00:49:48
    episode
  • 00:49:49
    drops I hope so yeah it'll be live when
  • 00:49:53
    this episode drops and so I'll link my
  • 00:49:55
    my Boolean search that put into Google
  • 00:49:58
    that targets the the sites people use to
  • 00:50:02
    host their jobs not the job boards
  • 00:50:05
    themselves so like where do you put like
  • 00:50:07
    all the stuff about your job so it finds
  • 00:50:09
    all those postings and then that I type
  • 00:50:12
    that in I put it back for like a month
  • 00:50:14
    and I find all the actual job openings
  • 00:50:17
    not just with the postings that are
  • 00:50:18
    going on the job boards those are the
  • 00:50:20
    two things that I do so here's my theory
  • 00:50:22
    on job boards when you went to that job
  • 00:50:24
    board especially like if we're talking
  • 00:50:25
    junior roles right like but is pretty
  • 00:50:27
    much for all roles but especially for a
  • 00:50:29
    junior like when you search Junior roles
  • 00:50:32
    you see some of the same ones like you
  • 00:50:34
    know like this coding boot camp that's
  • 00:50:35
    really trying to hide it or like this
  • 00:50:37
    Contracting firm that's really trying to
  • 00:50:38
    hide it but when you went there and you
  • 00:50:39
    entered that search did you put your
  • 00:50:42
    credit card information in there no so
  • 00:50:45
    that means you're not the thing that
  • 00:50:47
    they're monetizing which means when a
  • 00:50:49
    company posts a job on that job board
  • 00:50:52
    they're paying to post it why would they
  • 00:50:55
    have to pay to advertis a junior role
  • 00:50:58
    they know once they post it like a
  • 00:50:59
    thousand people are going to apply to
  • 00:51:00
    that right like where's the incentive in
  • 00:51:02
    paying for that it's not really there
  • 00:51:06
    and so majority of companies not all I'm
  • 00:51:09
    not going to blanket statement all but
  • 00:51:10
    I'd say the majority they do two things
  • 00:51:13
    one they go to their team and they
  • 00:51:16
    literally say hey we're actually going
  • 00:51:17
    to bring on a junior do y'all know
  • 00:51:18
    anybody is there somebody that you
  • 00:51:20
    recommend has been somebody you met I'm
  • 00:51:22
    shaking my head aggressively for folks
  • 00:51:24
    not watching the yes that right there is
  • 00:51:26
    like big indicator why you should be
  • 00:51:27
    networking meetups and coffee chats and
  • 00:51:30
    etc etc because that's lit every company
  • 00:51:32
    I've ever worked at that conversation
  • 00:51:33
    has always come up hey matter of fact
  • 00:51:35
    even right now like for teams that I'm
  • 00:51:37
    not even interacting with I'll find out
  • 00:51:38
    oh we're Hing a re react native Dev
  • 00:51:40
    right now do you know anybody comes up
  • 00:51:43
    all the time in our team meetings that's
  • 00:51:45
    number one number two they put it on
  • 00:51:47
    their company career page and the reason
  • 00:51:49
    why they do that is it cost them
  • 00:51:51
    absolutely nothing to put that there
  • 00:51:53
    they know that they will get a minute
  • 00:51:55
    fraction of the number of applications
  • 00:51:58
    which to be honest is not a bad thing
  • 00:52:00
    but number two they know if you found
  • 00:52:02
    them from that company curve page you
  • 00:52:04
    were actually looking for them for that
  • 00:52:06
    role they didn't pop up in SEO they
  • 00:52:08
    didn't pop up here they popped up
  • 00:52:10
    because you were like hey this is the
  • 00:52:11
    company I want to work at I looked on
  • 00:52:13
    their Carew page and I found it there's
  • 00:52:15
    a higher likelihood that conversation
  • 00:52:16
    can be far more favorable for them even
  • 00:52:19
    if you aren't an exact match on their
  • 00:52:21
    criteria list so they're more likely to
  • 00:52:23
    jump in there that's the two things
  • 00:52:25
    there and so for me that's like strategy
  • 00:52:28
    one I map out the companies that I'm
  • 00:52:30
    kind of interested in or I know like
  • 00:52:33
    I've done my research and things like
  • 00:52:34
    that and I'm like ah okay I know right
  • 00:52:36
    here this is the company I want to be at
  • 00:52:38
    but number two the thing that I would do
  • 00:52:40
    is LinkedIn and kind of like I said
  • 00:52:42
    earlier with the search filters I can
  • 00:52:44
    literally put hiring as a keyword and I
  • 00:52:47
    can search in the past 24 hours and I
  • 00:52:50
    can see based on location who has made a
  • 00:52:52
    post in the last 24 hours or the last
  • 00:52:54
    week that they are hiring that could be
  • 00:52:56
    a great way to me for me to interact now
  • 00:52:59
    are the those posts going to be exactly
  • 00:53:01
    for my specific role probably not but it
  • 00:53:04
    kind of puts me on my radar like oh this
  • 00:53:05
    company's hiring for this and this
  • 00:53:06
    company's hiring for that you kind of
  • 00:53:08
    see real indication especially we're
  • 00:53:09
    talking about 24 hours ago in real time
  • 00:53:13
    and then you can also see like did this
  • 00:53:14
    post not get any engagement at all o
  • 00:53:16
    this is probably like a prime person for
  • 00:53:18
    me to have a conversation with cuz they
  • 00:53:20
    posted about it and no one interacted no
  • 00:53:22
    one dropped a comment like oh I can send
  • 00:53:24
    you my resume right now you're primed up
  • 00:53:27
    so like those are the big indicators
  • 00:53:29
    that I usually utilize but of course
  • 00:53:32
    your network will produce the most
  • 00:53:34
    opportunities that are great for you and
  • 00:53:36
    if they're advocating for you in rooms
  • 00:53:37
    that you're not even in you're winning
  • 00:53:40
    half the time love it all right y'all
  • 00:53:42
    it's been a it's been another fun one
  • 00:53:44
    and we will see you on the next one
  • 00:53:47
    goodbye everybody peace show
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