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breaking news coming in is that the
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Israeli military says the Hezbollah
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leader Hassan Nala has been killed in an
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air strike on Beirut the Israeli Defense
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Forces said in a statement that Nala
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will quote no longer be able to
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terrorize the world Israel struck hpa's
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headquarters in the city late on Friday
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with reports indicating they were
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targeting Nala the Lebanese militant
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Group which normally confirms major
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deaths among its ranks on the same day
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has yet to comment on noa's fate he has
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headed group for some three decades and
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is credited with turning it into a major
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fighting
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[Applause]
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force Israel's military Chief HEI halevi
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said the attack on nasrala had been
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prepared for a long time and will not be
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the end of the
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operation this is not the limit of our
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capabilities it must be very clear there
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are more tools at our disposal and the
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message is simple anyone who threatens
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the citizens of the state of Israel will
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be reached whether in the north the
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South or even in more distant places
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this attack was prepared for a long time
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executed at the right moment with great
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precision and now we are moving forward
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with careful preparation for the next
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steps from wonders let's bring in DW
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correspondent Tanya krer in Jerusalem
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hello Tanya what are you hearing from
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Israel regarding nales death and
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possible retaliation by hpah
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well most certainly everyone here was
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waiting to hear what had happened after
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this massive strike uh on a Friday uh
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evening in the DEA um suburb of in
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southern uh bayout and the Army said
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then this morning that they actually
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indeed killed uh the Secretary General
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of hasbalah Hassan nasala uh according
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to this announcement also uh other
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commanders senior commanders were killed
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in what they described as a Central
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Command Center of the organization uh
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underneath residential buildings that
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are the Israel Air Force targeted there
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now we have not have heard a
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confirmation yet from
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Hezbollah as to whether nasrala was
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killed now this is seen as a watershed
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moment here of course nasrala has led
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the organization for over 30 years his
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predecessor was also assassinated in
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1992
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by Israel and uh you know this comes
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when Israel has taken es escalatory
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steps uh since you know for the past two
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weeks from the p and walkie-talkie
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attacks to killing senior commanders
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then on Monday this massive uh air
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offensive on Southern Lebanon and
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Eastern Lebanon and of course now this
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we don't know yet the human tall of
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these air strikes on the uh on Southern
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uh bay rout but of course there's also
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the question here in Israel now now what
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will Hezbollah do next what will a
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retaliation a possible retaliation look
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like we've been hearing already air rate
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sens as in the past weeks of course
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going off in northern areas but you know
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we don't know yet uh how large this will
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get right so How likely is it that we
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will now see an Israeli ground Invasion
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on Lebanon cuz somehow it was
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expected well we don't know yet exactly
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what uh the uh military uh will do as
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from now I I think this also depends on
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the next steps by uh Hezbollah
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potentially also by Iran but um we heard
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just there the IDF chief of staff had
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aliv as saying this is not the last tool
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in our toolbox we've seen in the past
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days a build up at the northern border
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of ground forces uh also Reserve units
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have been called up but having said that
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there is a lot of I think substantial
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support for the air campaign uh right
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now in Lebanon against Hezbollah uh what
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many Israelis see as a as a major threat
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uh to uh Israel but you know this might
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change also if there's a ground Invasion
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because that is much more risky for the
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soldiers there on the ground uh but at
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the same time of course we've heard
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military expert explaining that they
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probably need to go in to create a sort
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of buffer zone uh in this uh border area
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so we we have to wait and see um because
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it seems that Israel is unlikely at
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least at this point in time as it looks
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like uh to back down right only time
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will tell DW correspondent Tanya kma in
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Jerusalem thank
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you let's get more from journalist
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Stella Mena she joins us from Beirut
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Stella Israel claims that he Nala has
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been killed what more can you tell
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us yes this is a statement that we've
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only uh for now have heard from the
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Israeli Army um it is no surprise as
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there has been speculations going on um
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ever since last night when Israeli Army
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announced that Hassan Nella was the
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target of the strike ever since then
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people are wondering whether he is uh
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still alive or not uh yesterday sources
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very close to hisbah have denied his
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death saying that he's in uh a good uh
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State um but this is nothing uncommon so
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far if we remember in August when um the
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his Commander fat Shaker was killed this
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is uh exactly the same thing that
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happened back then uh after the attack
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um the hisbah declared that he's still
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alive and nothing has happened and later
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on then had to admit that shooker was in
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fact um killed right so uh basically
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from what you're saying
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there's not been any reaction so far
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from hesah what about General reactions
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inside the
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country so inside the country the
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reactions are a bit different there are
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some people um on social media that are
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celebrating the deaths of nasala they
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seem to be very sure that this me
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message is true and they are very happy
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to read about the death of Nella um but
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there are also some other people in the
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who are more careful they are waiting to
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hear what hisb is going to say um next
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that hisbah has not said anything so far
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it's no wonder they're probably still
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busy figuring out how to communicate the
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death how to set up the pr how to deal
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with it and probably they're also busy
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um to put that second uh in command um
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in uh in a safer place right so if
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confirmed that
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he has been killed what will this mean
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for
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hesah if Nella is indeed death debt that
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would have massive massive consequences
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for the organization um Hassan nasrala
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is known to be a very charismatic leader
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uh he was very popular among um the
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members of hisbah um because he spoke uh
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the the urban accent here he often made
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jokes he's also very led to Big
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successes that Hezbollah has uh achieved
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in the last couple of years um but he's
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not only a very important leader for the
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organization he's also a key figure for
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the um whole so-called access of
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resistant and the Iranian regime and um
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if nasrala is death dead then um Iran
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loses uh an important figure um nasrala
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has was um was coordinating the attacks
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from Lebanon with the Iranian regime and
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the regime now has to figure out what
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they are going to do nasarella knew
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Lebanon much much better than the
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Iranian regime he had an insight into
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the country he knew about political
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Dynamics um so if he's really uh dead um
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he will leave a void that will be very
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very um hard to feel right journalist
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Stella Mena in beut thank thank
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you let's get more with me in the studio
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is DW Middle East analyst shannie ranes
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shannie we have no confirmation from the
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Lebanese side yet but why is that the
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case well first of all probably it's a
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good indicator of the chaos complete
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chaos they still you know there after
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this operation of Israeli forces
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according to Israeli idea forces they
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have dropped a ton of you know total sum
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of bombs in a in a in a way ton on that
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very building I mean there's very little
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left behind um and of course it's also
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the ambiguity is part of a strategic
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tool you know they would rather you know
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the Lebanese the Iranians they would
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have liked to keep Israel in the dark
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for as long as possible uh Israeli seem
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to be very confident in this action I
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mean there's no doubt they've been on
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nzala tales for a long time uh I think
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there was strategically a decision to
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avoid hitting him until recently you
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know there's been a shift in his policy
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we've seen it in the last two weeks
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definitely starting September 17th the
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pages attack when Israel decided to go
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into higher gear and not no longer stick
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to this tit fortat kind of exchanges
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we've been seeing since October and
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eventually uh in the peak that we saw
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last night deciding to go for the leader
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of uh kisala nasala himself there's no
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doubt how key nasala was to HPA now that
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according to Israel at least that he's
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no more what happens who takes over
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that's a good question it's not a
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decision to be made in in you know among
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the ranks ofala whoever is still left
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there alone this is definitely a
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question that the Iranians will have to
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do a lot with uh and they would like to
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have somebody that they're close with
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that they can trust but the the catter
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of people left behind is not so big I
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mean on the other on the one handbal was
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a very organized hierarchal U
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organization so and there've been people
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in the ranks ofala for years and years
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that have had experience but because
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it's you know there was no democratic
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process of election there was no it was
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not easy to get a new vacancy in a way
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it wasn't easy to get promoted so there
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are people with enough experience but
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it's not quite sure after these two
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weeks and Israel is very hard pressure
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onal who exactly is left and it's going
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to be also interesting to see what the
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Iranians choose in the sense that what
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we've been seeing since October 7th you
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know K bala's decision asa's decision to
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step into this uh battle with Israel in
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solidarity with the Palestinians and the
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Iranians were officially congratul in
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that and they've been you know they're
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talking about their solidarity with the
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Palestinian people but then at the same
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time de facto um they've been keeping
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sort of an arm length away from that
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they did not want to get sucked in
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completely into the that war and this um
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Step that Israel has taken yesterday
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that changes the whole Paradigm quite
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deeply and Iranians are now facing the
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question uh the Iranian regime and also
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the the supreme leader himself who was
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close and knew noala very well how deep
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do we want to get into this how how much
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do we let what's happening in the Middle
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East in Israel in Palestine in with Gaza
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all of that how much do we let it kind
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of take over our agenda which we know
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was actually focused on other things
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connected to the economy there you know
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there's also probably yet understanding
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there needs to be more progress on the
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nuclear deal which is the only safe
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umbrella they have as against what they
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see as hostility from the US and and and
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Israel so it's going to be interesting
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to see how they you know the Iranians
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deal with having lost this very
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important proxy on the verge of the
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Israeli border from North uh that is
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South Lebanon byala right how does this
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all play into Israel's ultimate goal um
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especially we been talking about a
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possible ground invasion in this case
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would that even still be necessary well
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it depends I think Israel would like to
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avoid it as much as possible a ground
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invasion is exactly where Israel starts
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to flail it has clear Advantage when it
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comes to air strikes and Air Forces when
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it comes to ground operation in the
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south of Lebanon place that has you know
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a stronghold ofala a lots of support
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lots of also Through The Years
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infrastructure and capability uh to to
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Ambush and fight give a good fight to
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Israeli forces they have known it
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themselves as Israelis after 18 years in
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what was the buffer zone back then
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Israel had to retreat in 2000 so H foral
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anyway it would be some sort of a gift
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that they're giving you know the that
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the chance for for fighting Israeli
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troops one-on-one on the ground level
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Israel would try to avoid it I'm not
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sure I mean when it talks about giving
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the Israeli citizens of the north the
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sense of security that is good enough in
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order for them to want to go back to
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their houses I'm not sure Israel can
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avoid a ground Invasion it's yet to be
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seen the next days are very crucial uh
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in to see how this is all is unfolding
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how fast if at all it's escalate I
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suspect there will be some sort of
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response from Iran right meanwhile
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there's still talks of a possible
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ceasefire agreement um what are the
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chances that we will see American
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intervention to make that happen we've
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seen Americans you know up until
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yesterday still hoping uh this would
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come to some sort of an agreement
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because where the Americans stand is
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that there's going to be an escalation
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there's going to be a lot of blood uh
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loss there's going to be a lot of damage
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to infrastructure it's going to weaken
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even more the already weak Lebanese
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country and then there's going to be
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some sort of of agreement so maybe we
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can skip to the end and and save the
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lives and the damage in the middle it's
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I think it's a very logic way of seeing
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things but I think it kind of Misses on
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the psychology of of of this Dynamic you
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know in in the effort of both sides to
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deter each other and you know about how
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the power struggle in the Middle East
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work you know showing a force is is is
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something that seems to be at least by
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Israel now after October 7 seem to be
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quite detrimental quite important in
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trying to set up and build up its
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strength again uh after the big blow of
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October 7th Israel understands that it
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could be that it could have avoided it
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but the psychological effect of it of
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this deterrence is something that cannot
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be achieved by agreement so I don't see
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it coming anytime soon but also keep in
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mind the Americans do not want to see
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this escalating and going out of hand
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but at the same time they're very much
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focused with their own agenda with the
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elections coming and so they need to be
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very carefully treading the line of how
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to keep this under some sort of
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manageable U conflict but at the same
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time not letting it become a big topic
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with the elections right sh was onist
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anst thank you you're welcome
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Ed now let's take a more de look at
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Israel's aerial attack on hezbollah's
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Beirut headquarters on Friday which led
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to the reported death of the militant
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group's leader Hassan nasrala
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the explosions were felt as far as 30
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kilm
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away multiple buildings were leveled in
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this residential suburb of Southern
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Beirut Israel's Army quickly confirmed
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it was behind the strike
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moments ago the Israel Defense Forces
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carried out a precise strike on the
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central headquarter of the hisis balah
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terror organization that served as a
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epicenter of hisis bala's
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Terror RIS bala's Central headquarter
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was intentionally built under
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residential buildings in the heart of
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the D in Beirut the Israel Defense
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Forces released this footage showing
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defense minister Galant monitoring the
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strikes on beut from Tel Aviv Israeli
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media sources quoting officials say this
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man was the target Hezbollah leader
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Hassan nazala the strike came a day
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after Israel rejected a 21-day truce
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plan proposed by the United States and
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its allies designed to prevent an allout
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war in the Middle East it feared further
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escalation could prompt hezbollah's
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backa Iran to enter the
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conflict Israel and Hezbollah have have
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been exchanging fire across the Israel
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Lebanon border for over 11 months since
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the October 7th Terror attacks on Israel
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by hezbollah's Palestinian Ally Hamas
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both are considered terrorist groups by
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multiple countries but this week Israel
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dramatically intensified its strikes on
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Hezbollah Targets in Lebanon killing 700
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people according to Lebanese officials
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and prompting more than a 100,000
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civilians to
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flee on Friday Iran's Embassy in Lebanon
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vowed punishment for Israel saying the
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strike quote changes the rules of the
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game and that's just what international
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observers
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fear with Israel reported to have moved
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thousands of troops towards the Border
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in preparation for a potential ground
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Invasion the prospects of a wider War
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seem higher than
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ever let's bring in Marram rabber
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assistant professor of History at the
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American University of Beirut hello and
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welcome sir what's your reaction to the
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news that Hezbollah Chief Hassan Nala
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has been
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killed well I would say that this is a
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natural progression of events especially
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that from the beginning of the war up
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until now hassanah and hisbah and by
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extension Iran have refused to
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disconnect from the war in Palestine and
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in addition to the fact that they have
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failed to understand that the world has
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changed while many people are looking at
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the strike as a kind kind of a military
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Victory I think what is happening is
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basically it's a political
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decision to get rid of hisbah and as
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well as to put Iran uh under under trial
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in a way Nala's militia are not
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responsible only for the destruction of
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Lebanon but in a way they were leading
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the so-called Iranian expansions plan in
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the region and so we see that the total
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collapse of hisbah and the total
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collapse of the Lebanese state is
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something that every one of us as leines
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should take a step back and think what
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will happen after the Declaration
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official Declaration of hisbah that
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their leader and their so-called cult
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personality have been killed and his
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command has been wiped out right it's
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interesting what you say because that's
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exactly what I want to hammer on because
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you know we've not heard a confirmation
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from hpah yet but if his death is
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confirmed what could it really mean for
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hesah and its
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operations well I think this idea that
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buah cannot be destroyed is something
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that was defeated in the streets of
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Beirut the problem here is that hisbah
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is only a manifestation of Iran and if
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left alone Iran can go back to being a
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spoiler in the region unfortunately I
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have no problem with actually the
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politics of hisbah because this is
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something I'm willing to uh to debate
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forever however we have to ask ourselves
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where is the Lebanese government here
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because hisbah showed that he is not
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interested in the in the innocent
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civilians first of all by storing
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weapons and Rockets within civilian
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populations and the explosions going off
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across Lebanon is a case in point and
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more importantly they have not set up
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any kind of a civilian emergency plan
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many of the innocent people that were
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driven out of their homes in their
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pajamas with their kids slept out in the
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open sore and this is something which is
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more tragic than the killing of nasala
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so here we have to say that one has to
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go back to the basics first of all the
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International Community is clearly
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telling us we should Implement un
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Security Council resolution 1559 which
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is basically no armed groups in Lebanon
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except the Lebanese Army and Lebanese
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state so if the ruling establishment and
00:20:13
the ruling Elite do not convene
00:20:15
immediately and elect a president and
00:20:18
reformulate the government lebanon's
00:20:20
tragedy will only be uh what we are
00:20:23
seeing is only just a sample of the
00:20:25
ongoing tragedy and this will become
00:20:27
worse and worse as time goes by right
00:20:31
and and worse and worse is where world
00:20:34
leaders don't want this to get they want
00:20:35
to prevent further escalation now Israel
00:20:39
has eliminated many hespa leaders in
00:20:41
recent days does hespa still have a
00:20:44
command structure or could this be the
00:20:47
end of
00:20:49
hollah I am someone who has never looked
00:20:51
at hezbollah's military capabilities
00:20:53
with much admiration and what had
00:20:55
happened recently proves my point first
00:20:57
of all hisbah is only a militia that is
00:21:01
serving the purpose of Iran by
00:21:03
suppressing the people of the region
00:21:05
Hezbollah is only good at killing Arabs
00:21:07
and killing Lebanese and syrians and
00:21:09
Iraqis and yemenis and they were never
00:21:11
ever geared towards really fighting
00:21:13
Israel and here and more importantly one
00:21:15
of the cardinal sins of hisbah that it
00:21:18
has lost its Compass so to speak
00:21:20
initially when hisbah was founded in
00:21:22
1982 it was founded against the backdrop
00:21:25
of the Israeli Invasion so they claimed
00:21:27
they wanted to liberate land at the
00:21:29
moment there's no occupied Lebanese land
00:21:32
whatsoever to fight for more importantly
00:21:35
when you do not have the national
00:21:36
interest of the Lebanese in mind this is
00:21:38
what happen so I don't think and I
00:21:40
actually have information that many of
00:21:42
the counter attacks that the hisbah
00:21:46
fighters are doing right now are more or
00:21:48
less uh individual initiatives meaning
00:21:51
that they don't have any sort of contact
00:21:53
with their leadership more than 90% of
00:21:56
hb's leadership are nowhere to be found
00:21:59
some of them are dead in the rubble and
00:22:02
some of them are actually hiding within
00:22:03
civilian uh civilian population which is
00:22:06
basically very alarming right we cannot
00:22:09
talk about Hezbollah without mentioning
00:22:12
Iran a main supporter and Backer of
00:22:14
hesah what does this mean for
00:22:18
Iran well Iran now has the difficult
00:22:21
decision if they think that they can get
00:22:23
away with destroying Lebanon and
00:22:26
Palestine and simply just lay low as the
00:22:29
president Iranian president at the
00:22:31
moment tried to do at the UN General
00:22:34
Assembly meetings and saying that that
00:22:36
Iran wants to uh to cooperate in order
00:22:39
to establish security and stability in
00:22:41
the region now they have been called out
00:22:44
so their Bluff of being a kind of a
00:22:47
positive uh positive uh Factor will be
00:22:52
determined in the next couple of uh of
00:22:54
days moreover I believe that ultimately
00:22:57
Netanyahu as well as many Western
00:23:00
countries has gotten to this realization
00:23:02
that if we do not address the elephant
00:23:05
in the room which is Iran this will only
00:23:08
be one episode in a series of other
00:23:10
chapters that can only bring more death
00:23:13
and destruction to the entire region as
00:23:15
well as to the International
00:23:18
Community right mam Raba from the
00:23:20
American University of Beirut thank you
00:23:23
for your insights thank you thank you
00:23:25
very much
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