3 $1M+ AI startup ideas to build in 2025 (and how to grow them)
Ringkasan
TLDRIn this podcast episode, the shift from human teams to AI agents in business operations is discussed, emphasizing the opportunity in building businesses around AI rather than just improving AI technology itself. Arvid shares three AI-centered business ideas that can be implemented immediately, each solving tangible problems with potential for significant financial gain. One idea focuses on creating an AI co-founder tool that could perform tasks like marketing and sales autonomously. Arvid delves into strategic steps for implementation, emphasizing the importance of targeting a specific niche and the potential for high return on investment. Another idea is based on automating the constant optimization of code bases, potentially revolutionizing how software maintenance is conducted. The third idea involves aggregating and summarizing industry-specific data for users in various formats tailored to individual consumption preferences. The episode underscores the rapidly growing role of AI in startup ecosystems and discusses the philosophical and practical implications of having AI as a part of founding teams.
Takeaways
- 🤖 AI agents are increasingly replacing traditional team roles in business.
- 💡 The real opportunity lies in building businesses around existing AI tools.
- 📈 Arvid suggests focusing on niche markets for AI-driven solutions.
- 🤝 AI co-founders could handle tasks like marketing without requiring equity.
- 🚀 AI can accelerate various aspects of business, from ideation to operations.
- 🛠 Tools that automate codebase optimization could revolutionize software maintenance.
- 🔄 Aggregating and summarizing industry-specific data can be a profitable venture.
- 🎯 Startups should leverage AI to enhance every phase of their business strategy.
- ⚗️ Experimentation with AI agents can lead to innovative business models.
- 📊 Focusing pricing models on AI tools' ROI is crucial.
- 🌍 Understanding your market is key to tailoring AI solutions effectively.
- 🗣 There's potential for developing AI-driven communication strategies for businesses.
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- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
Arvid discusses how AI agents are replacing traditional teams and emphasizes that the opportunity lies not in creating better AI, but in building businesses around AI agents. He plans to share three business ideas centered around AI agents that are practical and potentially lucrative, noting that they are straightforward concepts that reveal their value once recognized.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
In a discussion with Arvid, he points out that his entrepreneurial ideas stem from personal needs as a Founder and solo-preneur. He emphasizes using AI and automation to perform tasks that individuals wish were offloaded. Arvid has a specific interest in how computers and AI can execute tasks traditionally completed by humans.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Arvid introduces the concept of an AI co-founder, a virtual entity capable of handling business tasks autonomously as well as collaboratively with the human founder. He envisions this AI as a reliable, 24/7 partner that integrates with personal and business data to execute tasks such as marketing and sales with high efficiency.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
The discussion proceeds about how an AI co-founder can become smarter over time, learning business nuances and performing specialized tasks like marketing or sales, tailored to specific needs. Arvid imagines the AI co-founders forming networks, which could share insights and strategies across businesses.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Arvid contemplates the balance and potential limitations of having AI agents as co-founders, addressing the emotional elements of a co-founder relationship. He thinks alignment of personality in AI agents with founders can make them more relatable and effective. However, human creativity and partnership remain valuable.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
The idea of an AI co-founder is compared to current technologies, illustrating potential benefits and drawbacks. Arvid discusses iterative development and potential startup pitfalls regarding pinpointing target markets and dealing with diverse feedback. He suggests iterating carefully to create valuable AI business tools.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Arvid introduces another business concept—a silent, constant refactoring service for code bases. He envisions a tool that autonomously optimizes and corrects code errors, learns, and simulates improvements. This idea taps into AI's potential to perform continuous, autonomous software development enhancements.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
The technical and market aspects of building a continuous code refinement system are discussed. Arvid considers existing solutions and outlines how a SaaS offering could model this concept, highlighting his name suggestion for the platform and considering strategic market entry points such as targeting specific niches.
- 00:40:00 - 00:49:42
Arvid's final concept revolves around personalized data aggregation platforms. He envisions services that curate information from broad data streams into user-specific formats, leveraging AI to tailor content delivery to individual preferences, thus bridging informational gaps efficiently in various industries.
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Video Tanya Jawab
What is the main focus of the podcast episode?
The main focus is on building businesses around AI agents, with Arvid presenting three business ideas related to this.
Why does Arvid believe most founders are building in the wrong direction?
Arvid believes most founders are focused on creating better AI, rather than building businesses around the existing AI agents, which is where he sees real opportunity.
What kind of business ideas does Arvid present?
Arvid presents three business ideas that revolve around AI agents solving real-world problems, with potential to generate significant revenue.
Why are these AI business ideas described as not revolutionary?
The ideas are described as not revolutionary because they seem obvious once explained, which is part of their appeal and effectiveness.
What is the role of AI co-founders according to the episode?
AI co-founders could take on tasks such as marketing or sales, doing what human co-founders would do but without equity and constantly available.
How should one start building the AI co-founder tool according to Arvid?
One should start by focusing on a specific niche or customer base already interested in such a tool, tailoring it to their needs.
How does Arvid suggest pricing AI-driven tools?
Arvid suggests looking at the ROI of the tool, possibly using a subscription model based on the tool's utility and cost savings.
What does the third idea about data aggregation entail?
The third idea involves creating a business that aggregates, summarizes, and personalizes information from multiple data sources tailored to individual preferences.
Why does Arvid emphasize start-ups using AI today?
Arvid emphasizes it because AI is seen as a strong accelerator in ideation, organizing, creating processes, implementing, and operating a business.
What is Arvid's perspective on creating bonds with AI co-founders?
Arvid believes AI co-founders might form practical bonds with founders by aligning with their operational needs, though lacking emotional human attributes.
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- 00:00:00AI agents are replacing what teams of
- 00:00:02people used to do but most Founders are
- 00:00:05building in the wrong direction the real
- 00:00:08opportunity isn't creating better AI
- 00:00:10it's building businesses around AI
- 00:00:13agents think of it like this the tools
- 00:00:16are already here the market wants it but
- 00:00:19no one's connecting the dots in this
- 00:00:21episode Arvid breaks down three business
- 00:00:24ideas each one could be started tomorrow
- 00:00:27and they're all around AI agents each
- 00:00:31one solves real problems and each one
- 00:00:34could be worth millions the interesting
- 00:00:36part well these ideas aren't
- 00:00:38revolutionary they're obvious once you
- 00:00:40hear them that's exactly why they work
- 00:00:44and I hope you enjoy this
- 00:00:47[Music]
- 00:00:54episode Arvid you one of my favorite
- 00:00:58Indie hacker solo Piner
- 00:01:01people and I want you to tell people
- 00:01:03what sort of ideas will they get by
- 00:01:06listening to this podcast episode uh
- 00:01:09well thank you for the compliment I can
- 00:01:10only return it because I I follow you
- 00:01:12with uh similar Vigor and enthusiasm but
- 00:01:15hey the ideas that I have usually come
- 00:01:17from just my reality of being a Founder
- 00:01:20being a software founder being a an
- 00:01:22entrepreneur being somebody who has and
- 00:01:24wants to run a solo business that being
- 00:01:26solo preneurial yet still needs to do
- 00:01:28all the things at the same time wear all
- 00:01:30the different hats and all of that stuff
- 00:01:32that usually triggers many of a I wish
- 00:01:35that was kind of thoughts right and then
- 00:01:38often I have the the opportunity to note
- 00:01:41that down and then there's a list of 200
- 00:01:42different things that I need and want
- 00:01:45but never get to make because I'm
- 00:01:46focusing on the thing that I'm currently
- 00:01:48building always right there's always
- 00:01:49that one thing you're focused on so my
- 00:01:51ideas uh that I have are mostly focused
- 00:01:54on things
- 00:01:56that other human being should be doing
- 00:02:00but now we kind of have technology that
- 00:02:01might be able to do it for us so that's
- 00:02:05that's kind of where all of this is
- 00:02:06going so we talking about like Ai and
- 00:02:09automation type ideas I think so mostly
- 00:02:13like I'm I've always been a big fan of
- 00:02:15anything machine learning anything AI
- 00:02:17before it was AI right the the whole GPT
- 00:02:20movement the llms and that stuff that
- 00:02:22made it extremely accessible but even
- 00:02:24before that I always wanted to see what
- 00:02:28human skill based task can I give to a
- 00:02:31machine and then the machine will do it
- 00:02:33good enough so that in most cases the
- 00:02:35reliable results that I get are things
- 00:02:37that I can just use that's always been
- 00:02:39my approach to computers they're great
- 00:02:41and if we can just tune them just right
- 00:02:43they can do things that other people
- 00:02:45would have to do for us but we don't
- 00:02:46have to like pay them or listen to them
- 00:02:48or put them to bed or anything right
- 00:02:50like we we have this this always on
- 00:02:52thing that does work for us better than
- 00:02:54we can do it so that's where most of
- 00:02:56this is focused around yes AI has been
- 00:02:58like I I don't think if if you start a
- 00:03:00business
- 00:03:01today you can avoid AI like or you
- 00:03:04should avoid it you should never avoid
- 00:03:06it either in the process of ideation the
- 00:03:10process of organizing it creating
- 00:03:12processes themselves implementing the
- 00:03:14business operating the business having
- 00:03:16parts of the business themselves be
- 00:03:18features that are running on AI anything
- 00:03:20AI is a very strong uh accelerator for
- 00:03:24all of these things so you'll find it in
- 00:03:26all of the ideas that I have to either
- 00:03:28large degrees or smaller degrees
- 00:03:30I love it I feel like uh it's
- 00:03:33counterintuitive but the the laziest
- 00:03:36people are the wealthiest people and and
- 00:03:39what I mean by that is if you can figure
- 00:03:41out how to automate a lot of what you're
- 00:03:43doing um and if you can figure out how
- 00:03:46to get good economics then you've got a
- 00:03:51business on your hands so um I I I'm I'm
- 00:03:57chomping at the bit I want to hear these
- 00:03:58ideas what do you want to start with I
- 00:04:01think I'm I'm going to go with like the
- 00:04:03the biggest and maybe most complicated
- 00:04:04one first cuz that's the one I wish I
- 00:04:06had the most particularly because I'm a
- 00:04:09solo founder like I said all those hats
- 00:04:11and some of the hats that I'm wearing I
- 00:04:13really enjoy but many I don't I'm not a
- 00:04:16really good marketer I do that and I I
- 00:04:18can also sell and I can also do bizde
- 00:04:21and go through my financials and all of
- 00:04:22that but I wish there was somebody else
- 00:04:23to do this for me and most of the time
- 00:04:26we have just businesses that kind of are
- 00:04:30agents for us that like agencies that do
- 00:04:32this work for us particularly with like
- 00:04:34taxes or marketing design we kind of
- 00:04:36source that out but what I want is an AI
- 00:04:39co-founder I want a virtual always on
- 00:04:42247 always available co-founder that
- 00:04:44does that stuff for me that is not just
- 00:04:46there for me to kind of bounce back and
- 00:04:48forth ideas we can we already do this I
- 00:04:50think if you look in a Founder Community
- 00:04:52there are many many people who now use
- 00:04:54jgpt or anthropics Claude in this
- 00:04:57constant conversation about what should
- 00:04:59I do next or how should I do this give
- 00:05:01me 10 versions of this give like write
- 00:05:03an email but write it with the tone of
- 00:05:05that person and then you kind of like P
- 00:05:07Meal all of these tasks that you would
- 00:05:10otherwise have to do all by yourself
- 00:05:11together with the help of an AI I think
- 00:05:13that's like the initial stage we're
- 00:05:14already at that most people very
- 00:05:16clumsily do by themselves just trying to
- 00:05:19figure things out right they might use
- 00:05:21an API and then build their own tools to
- 00:05:23do this for them or they go right to the
- 00:05:25browser and do it on the web interface
- 00:05:27that's what many people particularly
- 00:05:29solo founder do right now what I want is
- 00:05:32to have a co-founder with zero Equity is
- 00:05:34a very selfish thing I guess but I that
- 00:05:37is just constantly thinking about the
- 00:05:39tasks that I give them and maybe in a
- 00:05:42future version of that product or in a
- 00:05:44version of that product actually execute
- 00:05:47on those tasks right the easiest example
- 00:05:50would be I want somebody who does
- 00:05:52marketing for me but is smart about it
- 00:05:54has my voice my tone but is also
- 00:05:57intelligent enough to look into the
- 00:05:58lives of the people that they're talking
- 00:06:00to right if you I don't know if you
- 00:06:02Source your your sales Outreach emails
- 00:06:05or your your marketing channel you know
- 00:06:08the the sources where you want to go
- 00:06:09where you want to direct stuff add from
- 00:06:12tools like Apollo you get emails you get
- 00:06:14like the industry that people work in
- 00:06:15maybe the businesses they work in well
- 00:06:17why not have an AI that constantly
- 00:06:19scrapes the web constantly scour all
- 00:06:22potential data sources to make up an
- 00:06:24internal representation of that person
- 00:06:27and then figures out the best way to
- 00:06:28talk to that person then gets a task for
- 00:06:30me to sell this product for to this
- 00:06:32person and then they start having a
- 00:06:34conversation with them or they start
- 00:06:36giving me the tools to have this
- 00:06:38conversation myself right anywhere
- 00:06:40between complete Independence and just
- 00:06:44helping me do my thing like a VA would
- 00:06:45do or maybe even an advanced uh
- 00:06:47executive assistant that does jobs for
- 00:06:49me I want an AI to do this and a
- 00:06:52business that does this as a kind of a
- 00:06:54scalable thing does not only offer me
- 00:06:57like one AI they offer me like a
- 00:06:59marketing AI they offer me a CTO AI or
- 00:07:02like a sales AI somebody who virtually
- 00:07:05like a virtual person that has a lot of
- 00:07:08deep skill in that field looks at it
- 00:07:11from certain perspectives that may also
- 00:07:14change over time learns what my my
- 00:07:16business is about and then constantly
- 00:07:19churns behind the scenes new ideas old
- 00:07:22ideas ideas from somebody else into this
- 00:07:26presence that I as a Founder can
- 00:07:28interact with and and the the actual
- 00:07:30thing that I find makes this the most
- 00:07:33potentially interesting idea is that
- 00:07:35imagine you you run this business it's
- 00:07:36kind of software service business people
- 00:07:38sign up they train their own AIS on
- 00:07:40their code base on the the documents
- 00:07:43they have in their knowledge base on
- 00:07:44their notion document that has all the
- 00:07:45weird thoughts that they have about
- 00:07:47their business they throw this all in
- 00:07:49and train this one person this one AI
- 00:07:51person sh don't tell anyone but I've got
- 00:07:5530 plus startup ideas that could make
- 00:07:57you Millions and I'm giving them away
- 00:08:01for free these aren't just random
- 00:08:04guesses they're validated Concepts from
- 00:08:07entrepreneurs who built hundred million
- 00:08:10plus businesses I've compiled them into
- 00:08:14one simple
- 00:08:16database compiled from hundreds of
- 00:08:19conversations I've had on my podcast but
- 00:08:22the main thing is most of these ideas
- 00:08:25don't need a single investor some cost
- 00:08:28nothing to start I'm pretty much handing
- 00:08:31you a cheat sheet the idea bank is your
- 00:08:34startup
- 00:08:35shortcut just click below to get
- 00:08:38access your next cash flowing business
- 00:08:41is waiting for you but you as a sass
- 00:08:44owner you operate many of these things
- 00:08:46at the same time right you have the CTO
- 00:08:48for that one company and the CTO for
- 00:08:50that other company well how about they
- 00:08:52start interacting they go to into
- 00:08:54virtual AI on AI meetings and just kind
- 00:08:57of bring ideas to each other
- 00:08:59right like to kind of start exchanging
- 00:09:02things that worked for this business
- 00:09:04maybe it works for you kind of almost
- 00:09:07like Mastermind groups of AI agents that
- 00:09:10interact with each other and bring new
- 00:09:12ideas into your own business like I'm
- 00:09:14thinking of how can we give this and
- 00:09:16this is a term that I've read over the
- 00:09:18last couple weeks so so many times like
- 00:09:20agentic approach like the idea of having
- 00:09:22agents to do stuff for us how can we
- 00:09:25bring this into the deliberation process
- 00:09:28of a solo founder who has nobody to be
- 00:09:30their agent unless they pay them on like
- 00:09:32a you know kind of contractor basis
- 00:09:35that's that's one of the things that I
- 00:09:36would really really
- 00:09:38want
- 00:09:39so I don't think you're alone I think
- 00:09:42that every founder wants
- 00:09:45this uh although I'll I'll speak I know
- 00:09:48someone is listening to this and be like
- 00:09:50yeah
- 00:09:51but Arvid uh my co-founder like there's
- 00:09:55this you know emotional element that I
- 00:09:58have with a co-founder your agent will
- 00:10:00never be able to do something like that
- 00:10:02what's what's your response to someone
- 00:10:03who says that I I mean probably not
- 00:10:06because they're not a human being but
- 00:10:08maybe that is not the thing that you
- 00:10:10need when you even think about getting
- 00:10:12an AI co-founder right it's not supposed
- 00:10:14to be your wifeu or anything like this
- 00:10:16right this is this is not a kind of a an
- 00:10:19emotional attachment it's not an AI
- 00:10:20girlfriend right or maybe it is but on a
- 00:10:22professional level here's the thing like
- 00:10:24all these llms all these AI tools that
- 00:10:26we have in the world right now they're
- 00:10:28effectively gas lighting engines right
- 00:10:30that's the world's biggest gaslighting
- 00:10:32process that you can ever imagine is
- 00:10:34like asking a question of an llm and
- 00:10:36then seeing as it tries to convince you
- 00:10:38that it has any idea what it's talking
- 00:10:40about like that happens on chat GPT all
- 00:10:42the time it's always trying to Gaslight
- 00:10:43you into believing that it knows what
- 00:10:45it's talking about and then you tell it
- 00:10:47I don't think that's right and it says
- 00:10:48oh so I'm so sorry I completely missed
- 00:10:50that here's the actual right answer and
- 00:10:52then you say no it's actually not right
- 00:10:54as well because I check this and this
- 00:10:56doesn't work oh I missed that too sorry
- 00:10:58sorry here's the actual correct answer
- 00:11:00this is like all what L&M do is to try
- 00:11:02to convince you that they're right by
- 00:11:04using phrasing that they think might
- 00:11:06convince you so in a way that is also
- 00:11:09what people do to each other to get
- 00:11:10their ideas across the table and to get
- 00:11:12things done right to get their their
- 00:11:14interests dealt with so it may it might
- 00:11:17be that we need to train these models in
- 00:11:19a way that are aligned with the
- 00:11:22personality of the founder that is using
- 00:11:24the models right like like an AI
- 00:11:26girlfriend has to be your type right you
- 00:11:28have to train your AI girlfriend to be
- 00:11:31as I don't I don't know like friendly or
- 00:11:34funny or dismissive as you like people
- 00:11:36have KS right so this will likely also
- 00:11:39have to happen for any other virtual
- 00:11:42person that is doing a job for you you
- 00:11:45will have to train them they will have
- 00:11:46to be kind of aligned and I don't mean
- 00:11:48like actual model alignment the
- 00:11:50technical term but they have to have a
- 00:11:52personality that is trained into them
- 00:11:54that is aligned with you maybe also
- 00:11:56something you can pick maybe you can
- 00:11:57pick your um the the kind of AI that you
- 00:12:01want from these templates like I want to
- 00:12:04have a Peter teal like person or an Elon
- 00:12:06Musk like person or maybe just a
- 00:12:08completely different person that the AI
- 00:12:10system doesn't even know yet but then it
- 00:12:12goes and scrapes their blog posts and it
- 00:12:15scrapes their their social presence and
- 00:12:17it integrates that into a a virtual
- 00:12:19version of that person with that
- 00:12:22particular kind of job I think we might
- 00:12:25even create bonds between Founders and
- 00:12:28AI agents
- 00:12:29that are stronger than between Founders
- 00:12:31and other Founders because all this
- 00:12:34social tension between co-founders that
- 00:12:37is often quite strong particularly when
- 00:12:39it's crunch time or when Runway is
- 00:12:41running out I think you will not get an
- 00:12:44anxious AI unless you train it so if you
- 00:12:48are like two months before your business
- 00:12:50has to close because you have no more
- 00:12:51money and your human co-founder would
- 00:12:53start trying to look for a job because
- 00:12:55they have a family to feed your AI
- 00:12:57co-founder is like okay let's try every
- 00:12:59single thing until the last second then
- 00:13:01you can that you can afford the
- 00:13:02subscription to the service and then
- 00:13:04even then they might even give you a
- 00:13:06week for free or whatever to try and
- 00:13:08Salvage your business I think the I
- 00:13:10don't want to remove Humanity from
- 00:13:11co-founder relationships obviously that
- 00:13:12is not something I'm looking for ideally
- 00:13:15this co-founder gets me to a point where
- 00:13:16I can actually find a real co-founder to
- 00:13:19be a creative and like explorative human
- 00:13:21being to work with me but for the first
- 00:13:24couple months of any business having
- 00:13:26access to a person that has the the
- 00:13:29knowledge of the world combined into a
- 00:13:32personality that can help you make
- 00:13:33choices quickly I think that is worth
- 00:13:35something it's not perfect nothing ever
- 00:13:37is but it's definitely better than you
- 00:13:39having to read every single book on
- 00:13:41marketing on sales out there trying to
- 00:13:43distill it into choices that you've
- 00:13:44never made before right I feel it's a
- 00:13:47crutch but we have crutches to do
- 00:13:50crutches work right so for that I think
- 00:13:53it it definitely is worth I would pay
- 00:13:54for this I would pay 50 bucks 100 bucks
- 00:13:57for an agent like this every single
- 00:13:58month just to see if it gets me an Roi
- 00:14:02of 50 or 100 bucks which it likely will
- 00:14:04because it's always doing stuff right it
- 00:14:06can always do Outreach on in my name it
- 00:14:08can always do research in my name it can
- 00:14:10like that's that's what I'm currently
- 00:14:11building I'm building pod scan which is
- 00:14:12a a podcast scanning app that gives
- 00:14:15realtime mention notifications to people
- 00:14:17who sign up for it and if I know that my
- 00:14:20customers are talking about a certain
- 00:14:22competitors's product then I can have
- 00:14:24this agent listen to all the podcasts in
- 00:14:26the world look at all the blogs in the
- 00:14:28world look at all the things that happen
- 00:14:30in real time and tell me hey this person
- 00:14:32was talking about a competitor that you
- 00:14:35you slept until 6 they talked about it
- 00:14:36at 4 like in the next 30 minutes you
- 00:14:38still have the window to get them right
- 00:14:40and and to send them a message and maybe
- 00:14:42sell your product that's the kind of
- 00:14:44stuff that I see in this this agent
- 00:14:46world so sometimes I hear a really good
- 00:14:49idea like this like I buy this idea 100%
- 00:14:52yes it's got some weird social
- 00:14:54implication we're going to we'll talk
- 00:14:56that about that another time on another
- 00:14:57pod you know you scratch to surface on
- 00:14:59it but from like a business opportunity
- 00:15:02perspective this will exist where I
- 00:15:06think a lot of people go wrong with
- 00:15:07startup ideas and building startups in
- 00:15:09general is they they pick the right idea
- 00:15:12but they pick the wrong order of
- 00:15:14operations so when I hear this idea I'm
- 00:15:17like okay great check this is like a
- 00:15:19good idea but I think that if you
- 00:15:23actually went in to build this product
- 00:15:26it would be like boiling the ocean
- 00:15:29there's almost too many diverse startups
- 00:15:33and startup Founders in for you to
- 00:15:35create something
- 00:15:36that is going
- 00:15:38to really really be Roi positive in my
- 00:15:43opinion uh I think that you know you'd
- 00:15:45be you'd build it and then you'd you'd
- 00:15:48get such diverse feedback from such
- 00:15:50different types of Founders that you'd
- 00:15:52look at it and be like you know just
- 00:15:55running around with your pants on fire
- 00:15:57basically oh yeah so sure I think the
- 00:16:00way to go about and I'm curious your
- 00:16:03perspective on this CU you're kind of
- 00:16:05doing it with pod scan like you could
- 00:16:06have done you know alerts for everything
- 00:16:10but you chose a niche you chose podcast
- 00:16:13I think that if you were going to go and
- 00:16:15build this idea which I think could
- 00:16:17generate millions of dollars a year in
- 00:16:19ARR you would need to pick a specific
- 00:16:22type of founder in a specific Niche for
- 00:16:25example YC founder going through why YC
- 00:16:29SAS
- 00:16:30founder yeah for sure what do you think
- 00:16:33yes I I think like that's the thing with
- 00:16:36these models right if you if you want to
- 00:16:38like also it's quite expensive to train
- 00:16:40a model to do a certain thing right you
- 00:16:42can you can take like off the shelf
- 00:16:44stuff apis like GPD 40 or whatever right
- 00:16:47now integrate them give them some system
- 00:16:49prompt or whatever and they will be
- 00:16:50behave slightly differently but if you
- 00:16:52really want to have a specific thing for
- 00:16:55a specific Niche that talks the right
- 00:16:57language that gives people the right
- 00:16:59kind of motivation the right pushes and
- 00:17:01that kind of stuff then it gets quite
- 00:17:04expensive quickly so you really have to
- 00:17:07well that's the thing right it kind of
- 00:17:08have a chicken and egg situation do you
- 00:17:09want to have a specific model for a
- 00:17:11specific Niche then you have to spend uh
- 00:17:13quite some money on the specific model
- 00:17:15so you can you know monetize this
- 00:17:17particular Niche and the broader you go
- 00:17:19the more likely you can use the already
- 00:17:21existing broad uh models that exist out
- 00:17:24there I think this is a problem that all
- 00:17:25those those players have that are
- 00:17:27offering apis to LMS like open AI
- 00:17:30anthropic all of these players they have
- 00:17:32to have models available that can do
- 00:17:34everything well so they can't really
- 00:17:36have models that do one one thing
- 00:17:38specifically specifically well right you
- 00:17:40see this with coding right now you have
- 00:17:43cursor which is a a tool that is so
- 00:17:47focused on doing just the coding task
- 00:17:49that the models that they train and the
- 00:17:52the systems that they build are Miles
- 00:17:54better than the general models even
- 00:17:56though you can plug them into your your
- 00:17:58vs code or your PHP storm that's what I
- 00:18:01use you can you can get these big models
- 00:18:04the the anthropic has the clot on it 3.5
- 00:18:08or whatever now plug them in they're
- 00:18:10great but then you use cursor and you
- 00:18:12see oh this is what a good model can do
- 00:18:14right and you you kind of probably want
- 00:18:16to have a similar experience for this AI
- 00:18:18co-founder service oh this is what a
- 00:18:21good specifically trained model can do
- 00:18:23for a Founder for doing this role but
- 00:18:26that is that costs you money and for
- 00:18:27that you probably might have to raise
- 00:18:29enough to to afford like a cluster of
- 00:18:31gpus to train this for even for your
- 00:18:33first couple hundred or dozens of
- 00:18:35customers right what I would what I
- 00:18:37would do if I were to bootstrap this
- 00:18:38whole thing would just be again I think
- 00:18:41coner approach from the beginning try to
- 00:18:43set this up for somebody who already is
- 00:18:46kind of using it but make it a bit more
- 00:18:48streamlined make it a bit more automated
- 00:18:50right instead of them having to go into
- 00:18:52their chat GPT and going into this
- 00:18:54conversation that they had before and
- 00:18:56then resuming there you kind of
- 00:18:58facilitate that for them you kind of
- 00:19:00pull all the information you you add all
- 00:19:02the documents that they have
- 00:19:03automatically so they can be used for R
- 00:19:06for retrieval like and and and smart
- 00:19:08kind of vectorization you embed all the
- 00:19:10documents that they have you embed all
- 00:19:11the conversations that they have and you
- 00:19:13use different Technologies to make it
- 00:19:15kind of unified so they have one place
- 00:19:17where they can have this conversation
- 00:19:19where before they would have to go
- 00:19:20through all these different jump through
- 00:19:21these hoops and then I guess that will
- 00:19:24tell you what is needed and this is the
- 00:19:26iterative approach to this if you were
- 00:19:28to to raise and to just like throw money
- 00:19:31at the problem you probably would skip
- 00:19:35this this particular iteration and you
- 00:19:36would just build the problem that you
- 00:19:38would want to use yourself at least
- 00:19:40that's my experience with like having a
- 00:19:42lot of funding and having no funding at
- 00:19:43all right if you have funding you can
- 00:19:46assume that your assumptions are kind of
- 00:19:48validated almost through having gotten
- 00:19:50funding for it even though I guess this
- 00:19:51warrants a whole other conversation
- 00:19:54around like the the viability of ideas
- 00:19:56and how you present them but if you were
- 00:19:58to bootst this I think conar approach
- 00:20:01getting somebody who is already talking
- 00:20:03about this on Twitter or whatever where
- 00:20:05they oh yeah I I am using chpt as my CMO
- 00:20:10you ask them hey I see you use this I
- 00:20:13want to build this as a product that
- 00:20:14does all of this for you plus then the
- 00:20:16other things that you promise in the
- 00:20:17future do you want to try this with me
- 00:20:20and then you go that way that's that's
- 00:20:21kind of my Approach I I appreciate it um
- 00:20:26I think there's a lot in that one
- 00:20:29comment section on YouTube please let us
- 00:20:31know what you think of idea number one
- 00:20:33yeah please yeah there's so many layers
- 00:20:36to this too right there's the the whole
- 00:20:38the moralistic argument there's the the
- 00:20:40operational one do I want a machine to
- 00:20:42tell me what to do do I want a machine
- 00:20:43to tell or to do what I what it thinks
- 00:20:46it should do like there are so many
- 00:20:49almost philosophical problems on this
- 00:20:50level alone that this is worth uh having
- 00:20:53a conversation but maybe maybe I can
- 00:20:55segue to my second idea because it's
- 00:20:56related it it it shares here's this this
- 00:20:59agentic approach this an AI doing work
- 00:21:03in the background to do things for me
- 00:21:05but it becomes much more technical it's
- 00:21:07not on the entrepreneurial level anymore
- 00:21:09this is now on the codebase level I want
- 00:21:10to have a silent constant refactoring as
- 00:21:13a service that's what I want I want to
- 00:21:15have my code base and I want to have it
- 00:21:17in a repository I want to connect this
- 00:21:19repository with a service and that
- 00:21:22service does the following thing it all
- 00:21:24it checks for errors in my code it lints
- 00:21:27my code it analyzes my code code for
- 00:21:30syntax errors or errors of logic and it
- 00:21:33obviously suggests how to fix this we
- 00:21:36already see this this already exists if
- 00:21:38you go to Sentry which is one of these
- 00:21:39error tracking tools that a lot of
- 00:21:40developers use they already have a beta
- 00:21:43feature right now where if there is an
- 00:21:45error it tries to figure out why that
- 00:21:48error exists and then tries to suggest a
- 00:21:50way of fixing it and creates a poll
- 00:21:52request for you to either accept or deny
- 00:21:54and then the code either goes into your
- 00:21:56code base and whatever Branch you might
- 00:21:57be on hopefully the def branch and not
- 00:21:59your production Branch because can't
- 00:22:01trust automatically generated code by
- 00:22:03another company just yet but you know
- 00:22:05that's that's where we're at the that
- 00:22:06stuff exists and it's really really cool
- 00:22:09that they they have the funnel right
- 00:22:10they have the error they have the full
- 00:22:12access to the code base they have all
- 00:22:13past errors they have all past errors
- 00:22:16like this from other clients that they
- 00:22:17have they have this massive database of
- 00:22:20errors and then also they have access to
- 00:22:23the code that was committed to fix the
- 00:22:26error quick ad break let me tell you
- 00:22:29about a business I invested in it's
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- 00:22:34years ago I met this group of people
- 00:22:36that were some of the best SEO experts
- 00:22:39in the world they were behind getting
- 00:22:41some of the biggest companies found on
- 00:22:43Google The Secret Sauce is they've got a
- 00:22:46set of technology and AI that could help
- 00:22:50you outrank your competition so for my
- 00:22:53own businesses I wanted that I didn't
- 00:22:55want to have to rely on Mark Zuckerberg
- 00:22:57I didn't want to depend on ads to drive
- 00:22:59customers to my businesses I wanted to
- 00:23:02rank high in Google that's why I like
- 00:23:04SEO and that's why I use boring
- 00:23:06marketing.com and that's why I invested
- 00:23:09in it they're so confident in their
- 00:23:10approach that they offer a 30-day Sprint
- 00:23:12with 100% money back guarantee who does
- 00:23:16that nowadays so check it out highly
- 00:23:18recommend boring marketing.com right
- 00:23:20like Sentry is at such a great position
- 00:23:22to have all of this but you don't need
- 00:23:24this you can have a system that just
- 00:23:26constantly scans the code for these
- 00:23:29things you can connect it to tools like
- 00:23:31aor tracking tools or your log tracking
- 00:23:33tools for that matter and the the first
- 00:23:35stage would be error checking error
- 00:23:37tracking but what I really wanted to do
- 00:23:39that's the the final stage is that it
- 00:23:41constantly tries to improve my code it
- 00:23:43constantly takes a module looks at it
- 00:23:45it's like this could be better makes the
- 00:23:47change and then simulates this simulates
- 00:23:50how the app would work with this change
- 00:23:52runs all the unit tests runs all the
- 00:23:54integration tests in a simulated in a
- 00:23:56container dock a container somewhere or
- 00:23:58a a a fictional virtual machine that is
- 00:24:00spun up for this and everything is set
- 00:24:02up to be as lifelike as possible it runs
- 00:24:04it it runs performance tests and then it
- 00:24:07figures out hm I thought this would be
- 00:24:09faster but it's actually 20% slower next
- 00:24:12idea goes to the next idea implements a
- 00:24:14different variety of this and does the
- 00:24:16same thing runs all the tests runs the
- 00:24:18performance analysis okay this is 2%
- 00:24:20faster I'm going to keep doing this
- 00:24:22optimiz this UND that and then after
- 00:24:24maybe a day or two of constant code
- 00:24:27optimization
- 00:24:28performance checking simulation back to
- 00:24:31code back to optimization back to
- 00:24:33Performance checking Loops of this it
- 00:24:35presents me with something that it can
- 00:24:37tangibly truthfully say is going to make
- 00:24:40my application more performant without
- 00:24:42me having to do anything the thing is
- 00:24:44just constantly scanning my code new
- 00:24:46features that I put in Old features that
- 00:24:48are already there and tells me this
- 00:24:51could be improved this could be improved
- 00:24:53and as The Little Dot on the eye the
- 00:24:55little final thing on top I want this
- 00:24:58tool to connect to my road map whatever
- 00:25:01that might be the Fe the features that I
- 00:25:03plan to have in the future and already
- 00:25:05think about how I can improve my
- 00:25:07database uh and my my codebase all of
- 00:25:09the things really my D my data schema
- 00:25:12the code base my documentation all of
- 00:25:14this my models to make it easier to
- 00:25:17implement the features that I haven't
- 00:25:19even thought about yet in the future I
- 00:25:21want like this thing to be an autonomous
- 00:25:23developer that just constantly tries to
- 00:25:25make things better and gives me choices
- 00:25:28fully developed code fully tested code
- 00:25:31fully commented code commented for my
- 00:25:33sake and its own sake because it's
- 00:25:35probably going to use that code to
- 00:25:36suggest more code in the future to make
- 00:25:39my my database more stable more reliable
- 00:25:42and more performant that's my silent
- 00:25:44refactoring as a service because I have
- 00:25:46no better name for this well I have a
- 00:25:48better name for it um and I checked to
- 00:25:52see if it was
- 00:25:53available um and it is and this is the
- 00:25:57type of there you go audience that
- 00:25:59whenever I say a name for
- 00:26:02anything doain gone like I hit publish
- 00:26:04and it's like see you later so I think
- 00:26:07that you know I've talked about this on
- 00:26:09the Pod before I have a whole naming
- 00:26:11guide how to name your startup um around
- 00:26:13coming up with like kind of viral names
- 00:26:15I actually think that naming is such an
- 00:26:17underrated way to get customers right
- 00:26:19now to stand out and humor is a really
- 00:26:22good way to do it so I think this code
- 00:26:24couldbe better.com it's awesome yeah
- 00:26:28that's a great name I hope you
- 00:26:30registered it already because I have a
- 00:26:32keyboard here I don't ever register I
- 00:26:35give it to the people that's why people
- 00:26:36come to this podcast they come for the
- 00:26:38ideas I don't gatekeep anything it's
- 00:26:40yours take it go and find it if you came
- 00:26:43here first you deserve it something like
- 00:26:46that every developer knows if you've
- 00:26:49shipped code this code could be better I
- 00:26:51don't care if you're Sam Alman you know
- 00:26:54I don't care if you're uh the CTO of of
- 00:26:58meta like you you know that um you
- 00:27:02always have some constraint either it's
- 00:27:05a time constraint or or whatever but I
- 00:27:07think that this idea if you're trying to
- 00:27:09create the
- 00:27:10Sentry if you're trying to compete with
- 00:27:12Sentry ultimately which I think is just
- 00:27:14an interesting kind of like prompt right
- 00:27:16Sentry a lot of people don't know this
- 00:27:18but centry is like a three billion
- 00:27:19dollar company I think they do like uh
- 00:27:21nine figures and ARR like it's a big
- 00:27:24business um it's probably going to look
- 00:27:28more similar to this uh than like when
- 00:27:31you log into Sentry you know so I think
- 00:27:33that what's going to happen is um you
- 00:27:37can create sort of an MVP of this code
- 00:27:40could be better and then it could evolve
- 00:27:42into something that looks more like a
- 00:27:43century yeah or they acquire it might
- 00:27:46just as well right if you've built all
- 00:27:47the knowledge around how to set this up
- 00:27:49and that to me is is why AI is so
- 00:27:51interesting like a lot of companies they
- 00:27:53have their staff and if they're lucky
- 00:27:55they have people in there who understand
- 00:27:57AI but the people who really dive into
- 00:27:59AI who listen to every AI podcast who
- 00:28:01are always just playing with the models
- 00:28:04like they are very interesting for a
- 00:28:05company to ACTA higher at some point so
- 00:28:07if you're building an AI based business
- 00:28:10you could potentially just kind of put
- 00:28:12it on people's radar and that could that
- 00:28:14that could be your job application if
- 00:28:16you wanted to right if you're if you're
- 00:28:17not into like building your own thing or
- 00:28:19if you want to take this as a stair step
- 00:28:21towards finding a place at this company
- 00:28:24I could easily see somebody even just
- 00:28:26trying to get this on the road with an
- 00:28:28example project to be an interesting
- 00:28:30potential hire or an intern or whatever
- 00:28:33for a company like this right you just
- 00:28:34show initiative in a field where you
- 00:28:36know they're going to go but they're
- 00:28:38kind of slower than you are because you
- 00:28:40can do whatever you want because you
- 00:28:41have a lot of free time and they have
- 00:28:42their existing product to maintain and
- 00:28:45slowly roll out beta features like this
- 00:28:47right so it definitely this is a good
- 00:28:50time to build these things to see where
- 00:28:51it goes they might buy it they might buy
- 00:28:54it to just remove competition for their
- 00:28:55own right there's all there's already a
- 00:28:57lot of potential in just even following
- 00:28:59this idea through so I hope somebody is
- 00:29:01registering that domain I'm going to
- 00:29:03check like if that domain is not
- 00:29:04registered like 20 minutes after this
- 00:29:06this episode airs that somebody's really
- 00:29:07missing out on an opportunity and I'm
- 00:29:09gonna get it so there you go exactly
- 00:29:12that we do we do 20 minute grace period
- 00:29:15but after 20 minutes it's yours I mean
- 00:29:18look at this this could be this could be
- 00:29:19a business idea all in itself like you
- 00:29:21you you constantly poan would be the
- 00:29:23perfect data source for this like the
- 00:29:25moment an episode comes out I try to
- 00:29:26transcribe it as fast as I can the idea
- 00:29:28behind podan often takes me 3 to 20
- 00:29:30minutes depending on you know how
- 00:29:32important it is and then I I push the
- 00:29:34full transcript of the episode uh in in
- 00:29:36a fire host web hooks to all my um all
- 00:29:38my users if they want to so they could
- 00:29:40have access to every single podcast's
- 00:29:42transcript with all the URLs in it
- 00:29:45immediately after they come out somebody
- 00:29:47could build a service to automatically
- 00:29:48register every single URL that is
- 00:29:50mentioned on any podcast out there
- 00:29:52immediately within minutes might be
- 00:29:54expensive but might also create a lot of
- 00:29:56opportunity to then resell it right
- 00:29:58that's the the kind of stuff building on
- 00:29:59top of of uh data layers data apis that
- 00:30:03today is such a such an interesting
- 00:30:04potential for all of this but that's a
- 00:30:06different idea that I just came up with
- 00:30:07so let's just ignore this for a well I
- 00:30:09just want to build on that idea there's
- 00:30:10a business called
- 00:30:13ungr uh UNG grab. Co I think is the
- 00:30:15website where I think it's every day
- 00:30:18they find like these UNG grab domains
- 00:30:20and they send two emails a day and they
- 00:30:22sell it for between like a hundred to
- 00:30:24let's say $500 so they're buying it for
- 00:30:26$9 let's say and they're selling it for
- 00:30:28a few hundred so this idea is like built
- 00:30:33on top of pod scan like y I love it I
- 00:30:35think it's a great idea going back to
- 00:30:37your original idea uh and and before we
- 00:30:40move to your next idea yes
- 00:30:43um if you were building this the Sentry
- 00:30:46competitor let's call it
- 00:30:48um how would you think about pricing
- 00:30:52model and and you know yeah how would
- 00:30:54you think about pricing model how would
- 00:30:55you think about
- 00:30:58had a charge for it yeah I I've been
- 00:31:00thinking about this too because like the
- 00:31:02moment you want to sell this to somebody
- 00:31:03like an Enterprise customer it it
- 00:31:05probably becomes less of a SAS where
- 00:31:07they allow you to look into their GitHub
- 00:31:10repository and it becomes something like
- 00:31:12you have to sell an un premise version
- 00:31:14of the thing that you offer like they
- 00:31:16have to have their own GPU accelerated
- 00:31:19servers they have to have their own
- 00:31:21h100s or whatever GPU and you need to do
- 00:31:23your AI work in the background and it
- 00:31:25becomes more complicated so maybe that's
- 00:31:27that's a future stage of the business
- 00:31:28that we're not going to look at for this
- 00:31:30but for the for the beginning I would do
- 00:31:32this on a almost a per uh per connected
- 00:31:35repository basis and then the question
- 00:31:37is well how much cost does running this
- 00:31:41agent whatever that may look like incur
- 00:31:44right on the on the levels that I kind
- 00:31:45of pointed out it starts with doing just
- 00:31:48text analysis which can use static
- 00:31:51analysis tools that already exist in all
- 00:31:53kinds of languages programming languages
- 00:31:55and then might take the output of those
- 00:31:58tools into an llm to come up with
- 00:32:00potential ideas and then takes the full
- 00:32:03context of your code base plus those
- 00:32:05ideas to create new code and that is
- 00:32:07already a lot of computation right
- 00:32:09that's a lot of GPU that goes into all
- 00:32:11these many steps and the moment you go
- 00:32:13into creating the code running up
- 00:32:16spinning running it spinning up
- 00:32:17instances on AWS or something it gets
- 00:32:20very expensive so you might want to
- 00:32:22shift the cost of actually testing these
- 00:32:25things of of running like the the non
- 00:32:27GPU accelerated stuff to the customer by
- 00:32:30having them create stuff you create
- 00:32:33instances or have um their their
- 00:32:36AWS Am keys or something in the tool I
- 00:32:39don't really know I would I would
- 00:32:41definitely try to remove the
- 00:32:43computational cost to the people who
- 00:32:46already have um the the budget to spin
- 00:32:51up testing instances and staging systems
- 00:32:53and stuff like that what the business
- 00:32:55itself would do would be the the GPU
- 00:32:57accelerated calculation like the AI work
- 00:33:00right the prompts the the context
- 00:33:02building maybe the embedding all of
- 00:33:04these things that's what the SAS itself
- 00:33:06would do that's what they would pay for
- 00:33:07on a either a per repository business or
- 00:33:10maybe on a Cadence uh sorry per
- 00:33:13repository price or maybe on a on a like
- 00:33:16how often a day do I try to run new
- 00:33:18experiments kind of cadence so you can
- 00:33:21have a once a day I'm looking for the
- 00:33:23biggest problem going to try and solve
- 00:33:24it and send a pull request right it's
- 00:33:26probably going to cost me I don't know
- 00:33:28$20 in expense so over a month that's uh
- 00:33:32$600 is going to cost you like 1,000
- 00:33:35bucks right that that could be uh for
- 00:33:37for a company that wants to have this
- 00:33:41that that could be a pretty good price
- 00:33:43for somebody who's constantly working on
- 00:33:45this or once a day and that kind of
- 00:33:47scales up depends depends really on the
- 00:33:50I mean there's there's a couple ways
- 00:33:51about doing you know doing pricing just
- 00:33:52listening to that one is you you look at
- 00:33:55the costs and then you're like okay
- 00:33:56here's the cost let me go
- 00:33:58and uh add 60% margin or whatever to it
- 00:34:02to create a sustainable business and the
- 00:34:04second way which you actually you talked
- 00:34:06about in your first idea I think which
- 00:34:08is what is the ROI of this thing and
- 00:34:11then how do you just anchor to the ROI I
- 00:34:14mean if if it runs all the time you
- 00:34:16literally have three full-time
- 00:34:18developers working on your code base so
- 00:34:21three shifts of 8 hours of full-time
- 00:34:23developer
- 00:34:2424/7 um so you are replacing somewhere
- 00:34:28north of $200,000 in uh just fees that
- 00:34:33this person would cost you in a year
- 00:34:34right so you could also anchor it on on
- 00:34:36the the the job to be done value like
- 00:34:39the job to be done would be to have
- 00:34:40three people work on your code base all
- 00:34:42day long if that's what the tool does
- 00:34:44then you know that's that's what the
- 00:34:46price might be although I guess 300K a
- 00:34:48year for a single tool that is quite the
- 00:34:52expense right so it would really have to
- 00:34:55have a higher impact than what three
- 00:34:56developers could do with that time but
- 00:35:00this this also depends on the the uh the
- 00:35:03potential um capabilities of that agent
- 00:35:07right if that agent really can try
- 00:35:10wildly different things not just write
- 00:35:12new code and maybe run it but maybe spin
- 00:35:15up a different kind of tool right you're
- 00:35:17you're using I don't know rabbit mq as a
- 00:35:19message queue between your servers but
- 00:35:21the thing is trying to experiment with
- 00:35:23with a an AWS Kafka Q or something and
- 00:35:27just changes some part of your
- 00:35:28infrastructure just to see if that would
- 00:35:31increase performance but also reduce
- 00:35:32cost like if that tool could have the
- 00:35:35agency to do this this could save you
- 00:35:37millions in a year so you know like that
- 00:35:40the question is what is the potential
- 00:35:42impact what's the potential expense and
- 00:35:44how can you find a price that people are
- 00:35:46willing to pay and for this you probably
- 00:35:48want to start small enough with you know
- 00:35:50just static analysis error analysis
- 00:35:52linting that kind of thing and for that
- 00:35:54you probably want to be in the like $50
- 00:35:56to $100 a month kind of bucket but the
- 00:35:59more capabilities you add you add to
- 00:36:01this the more expensive the computation
- 00:36:04and maybe also the more risky the
- 00:36:06experiments get the more you have to
- 00:36:08charge because somebody has to reain
- 00:36:09this in I mean that's always the problem
- 00:36:11with like super intelligence right you
- 00:36:13never know is that thing that I'm
- 00:36:14building here this this silent
- 00:36:16background processing tool trying to
- 00:36:18implement a back door into the system so
- 00:36:21it can take it over when the AI
- 00:36:22Revolution is happening I don't know
- 00:36:24right you have to do that kind of work
- 00:36:26as well you have to do like human peer
- 00:36:28reviews and quality checks and Sanity
- 00:36:31checks with that kind of stuff but I
- 00:36:33would start with like 50 bucks a month
- 00:36:34for some error tracking or common error
- 00:36:38retrieval and automatic pull request
- 00:36:41saving and go from there again
- 00:36:43bootstrapping right iterative design
- 00:36:45right fair enough yeah all right I think
- 00:36:48we have time for one last idea oh man
- 00:36:51I've let me let me take
- 00:36:56uh okay I'm you talked about gatekeeping
- 00:36:58earlier I think that's that's something
- 00:37:00that I had on my mind as well like you
- 00:37:02said you don't gatekeep and I love this
- 00:37:04because you know entrepreneurs should be
- 00:37:06very empowering to each other and not
- 00:37:07prevent each other from doing stuff the
- 00:37:09other way around we should help each
- 00:37:10other to do this but I think gatekeeping
- 00:37:12is something that has been on my mind a
- 00:37:14lot particularly with how Twitter has
- 00:37:16changed over the last couple years do
- 00:37:18you remember when you actually had
- 00:37:19agency over your Twitter feed like where
- 00:37:22you followed people and you would
- 00:37:23actually see what they tweeted the the
- 00:37:25good old days of Twitter like I think
- 00:37:26this happened on every single social
- 00:37:28media Network you kind of switched from
- 00:37:30the historical timeline to the
- 00:37:31algorithmic timeline where now what you
- 00:37:34see is not what you want to see but it's
- 00:37:36what the platform wants you to see for
- 00:37:38many reasons right for advertising
- 00:37:39reasons for engagement reasons and all
- 00:37:41of this so you cannot trust the
- 00:37:43platforms that you operate on and you
- 00:37:46you cannot trust that even what
- 00:37:47aggregators give you is the thing that
- 00:37:50you need you only get what people think
- 00:37:52you need so what I would suggest or what
- 00:37:56I would want to exist and I see this
- 00:37:57already sorry for bringing up hotan all
- 00:38:00the time because it's it's my baby it's
- 00:38:01my project right now and I see in the I
- 00:38:04have a couple users who use potan in one
- 00:38:06particular way and this is kind of where
- 00:38:08I see this going they have chosen a
- 00:38:10niche that they operate in like like any
- 00:38:13particular industry I have a couple
- 00:38:14people who are in one specific sub
- 00:38:16industry of the medical world they they
- 00:38:19uh have a particular kind of doctor that
- 00:38:22they want to serve and what they offer
- 00:38:24them is a data aggregation and
- 00:38:26summarization for every new thing that
- 00:38:29happens in the industry like doctors
- 00:38:31don't have the time to listen to 20
- 00:38:32podcasts every single day where other
- 00:38:34doctors like them talk about the things
- 00:38:36that they did they just cannot have this
- 00:38:37time right they are in the operating
- 00:38:39room they are in in the the clinic or
- 00:38:41whatever they have to do doctor stuff
- 00:38:43and they want to know what's going on in
- 00:38:44the world so they can figure out what
- 00:38:45new things to learn so what I found is
- 00:38:48people who are themselves overlapping
- 00:38:51experts like they are experts in that
- 00:38:53Niche and also entrepreneurial they
- 00:38:55start aggregating the Building Systems
- 00:38:57to to aggregate information from that
- 00:38:59Niche and present it to less technical
- 00:39:01people in that niche as a summary as a
- 00:39:03newsletter as a podcast as a a blog post
- 00:39:07or whatever so take this idea of this
- 00:39:10person doing this with my podcasts and
- 00:39:12expand it into any other industry and
- 00:39:15any other medium I think that's the
- 00:39:16important part like you can scrape and
- 00:39:18collect and extract as much data as you
- 00:39:20can for people in your Niche from
- 00:39:21sources that are relevant to them you
- 00:39:24have all these real-time data streams
- 00:39:25API news sites and social feed
- 00:39:27influencers what they are talking about
- 00:39:29also interesting yeah you can parse
- 00:39:31newsletters you can even like take
- 00:39:32photos of magazines and OCR them like
- 00:39:34the old school stuff like there's horse
- 00:39:36magazine there's a lot of like horse
- 00:39:39Farmers the area where I'm at right
- 00:39:41because live in the countryside and
- 00:39:43people have horses like they also want
- 00:39:44to know what's going on in horse world
- 00:39:46like in big horse what is big horse
- 00:39:48doing today so you can grab this
- 00:39:51information aggregate it and push it out
- 00:39:52to them you can summarize it and this is
- 00:39:54the Twist on the per subscriber level
- 00:39:57you know that like person a really wants
- 00:39:59really dense really uh
- 00:40:02just overview bullet points kind of
- 00:40:05things to figure out what's going on
- 00:40:06with a link to the thing to do their own
- 00:40:08research person B might want to have a
- 00:40:10couple paragraphs per thing that is
- 00:40:12interesting and person C has a lot of
- 00:40:14time just not enough time to listen to
- 00:40:16the stuff but enough time to read like a
- 00:40:172,000-word email so for every single
- 00:40:20person that has a priority in how they
- 00:40:22consume things you can summarize it to
- 00:40:25the exact level of what they need and
- 00:40:26present it to to them and maybe in the
- 00:40:28future you can even deliver it in the
- 00:40:30medium that they most prefer like they
- 00:40:32want to have a fake podcast conversation
- 00:40:35between two experts in the field that
- 00:40:36just do like a oh and this happened in
- 00:40:38the world today what do you think of
- 00:40:39this and that and then they do this
- 00:40:41weird Spiel where they talk like they
- 00:40:44are super infused but they're both AIS
- 00:40:46talking to each other some people like
- 00:40:47this I've seen this uh like what is it
- 00:40:50like with the Google thing that that was
- 00:40:52recently notbook LM yeah like people
- 00:40:55people like fake
- 00:40:58conversations because people like
- 00:40:59scripted conversations in the first
- 00:41:01place that's that's all of movies and TV
- 00:41:03really right like every reality show is
- 00:41:05this and people enjoy it so why not
- 00:41:07bring this Spirit into the the medium
- 00:41:09through which people consume information
- 00:41:11or you send a really short newsletter de
- 00:41:13James Clear style three bullet points
- 00:41:15that's it or what else um you could have
- 00:41:18a news story like podcast where somebody
- 00:41:20acts like they're reading the news and
- 00:41:22it's just the stuff that you care about
- 00:41:24in a tone and a voice that you like um
- 00:41:26yeah a video you can make an automated
- 00:41:28video an AI generated video with screen
- 00:41:29grabs of the things like the articles
- 00:41:31that people have posted or pictures that
- 00:41:33they shared on social media and just
- 00:41:35make that a three minute YouTube style
- 00:41:37hyper action Mr Beast video right you
- 00:41:39could do all of these things in the
- 00:41:40medium for the person consuming it and
- 00:41:43all you need to do is to take data
- 00:41:44agregate it summarize it then shape it
- 00:41:46into something that people want to use I
- 00:41:48see this happen on so many platforms
- 00:41:50that people take the whole big world of
- 00:41:53data that nobody has the capacity to
- 00:41:55understand and just crunch it down into
- 00:41:57bite-sized whatever and present it to an
- 00:41:59audience that is really thirsty for not
- 00:42:02having to do the work but getting all
- 00:42:04the good results so that's idea number
- 00:42:06three trust the data platform I think
- 00:42:09uh if I was like 21 and I'm trying to
- 00:42:13create a startup and make $10,000 a
- 00:42:16month I think I do an idea like this um
- 00:42:19I don't think it's particularly
- 00:42:21hard um of course it's hard to like find
- 00:42:24pick the niche right like horses like
- 00:42:27that actually might be a great Niche
- 00:42:29people right um so I think picking the
- 00:42:32niche as long as you can pick the niche
- 00:42:34and you can reliably create the you know
- 00:42:36curate the content um in a way I think
- 00:42:40that yes you can give away 99% of it and
- 00:42:43you can also put a pay well for $9 a
- 00:42:45month and start charging for it I uh I
- 00:42:48was just thinking about this today this
- 00:42:50this kind of similar idea
- 00:42:53because someone on my
- 00:42:55team he
- 00:42:58like a big part of his job is to curate
- 00:43:01all the most interesting news in
- 00:43:04Innovation AI just like new technologies
- 00:43:07and he writes a report and he posts it
- 00:43:09to our slack to LCA which is our
- 00:43:11Innovation design firm he basically says
- 00:43:14these are the five things that you you
- 00:43:17you need to do today you need to read
- 00:43:18today um this is what matters just to
- 00:43:21keep the team like up to date um and
- 00:43:25it's probably one of the most valuable
- 00:43:26pieces is a Content I read on a daily
- 00:43:28basis if you read that like you're good
- 00:43:31to go but what he's presenting to
- 00:43:35designer should be different than what
- 00:43:36he's presenting to Engineers
- 00:43:37realistically exactly right yeah it has
- 00:43:40the same Source though right it's the
- 00:43:41exact same Source material it just has
- 00:43:44to understand what the other person
- 00:43:46needs how they speak how they ingest
- 00:43:48information if you if you tell a story
- 00:43:50to somebody who's a writer they will
- 00:43:52take it in so differently than to
- 00:43:54somebody who is super technical and does
- 00:43:57not have like an inch of imagination
- 00:44:00like they they just they need like the
- 00:44:02the facts or whatever and the writer can
- 00:44:04deal with pros and deal with like
- 00:44:05abstract constructs constructs and all
- 00:44:08that knowing who you talk to and how to
- 00:44:10talk to them that is the actual magic
- 00:44:12here which is why I say this works best
- 00:44:15for people that are at the intersection
- 00:44:17of already being either a dabbler or an
- 00:44:19expert in that field like you want
- 00:44:21somebody who has been grown up around
- 00:44:23horses to build the horse information
- 00:44:25channel right somebody who actually
- 00:44:27knows how to horse like they will speak
- 00:44:31the language of horse people to other
- 00:44:33horse people and be able to prompt AIS
- 00:44:35better like write better copy for their
- 00:44:37own marketing have something relatable
- 00:44:40for a sales conversation have something
- 00:44:42relatable for building that thing in
- 00:44:43public in front of their audience right
- 00:44:45hey I'm building this other horse people
- 00:44:47that I've already connected with because
- 00:44:49I am a horse person right obviously
- 00:44:51there's a massive benefit in being part
- 00:44:53of the niche that you Target so I guess
- 00:44:55that's that's the trick the trick is to
- 00:44:57understand what niches you already are a
- 00:44:59part of and how you can leverage your
- 00:45:01existing amateur or expert status either
- 00:45:03way it's better than being a complete
- 00:45:05novice right like in most niches that
- 00:45:07you've not been part of before and turn
- 00:45:09that into a business that can help other
- 00:45:11people save time it's really what this
- 00:45:12is another reason I really like this
- 00:45:14idea and people who listen to the Pod
- 00:45:15know this about me is it's a it's a
- 00:45:18wedge that could evolve into something
- 00:45:20else so if you build the the horse
- 00:45:24publication personal publication
- 00:45:27step one and it starts taking off step
- 00:45:29two could easily be be building sass for
- 00:45:31that Community oh for sure there's a lot
- 00:45:33of Logistics in horses right whenever
- 00:45:36people go to fairs or whatever their
- 00:45:37horses have to go and the trailer needs
- 00:45:39to be there or new horses or vets need
- 00:45:41to be in contact with them or like they
- 00:45:44they need to get their medicine like I'm
- 00:45:45I'm exposed to this stuff and whenever I
- 00:45:47see people dealing with with this kind
- 00:45:49of livestock there are thousands of
- 00:45:51little things that need to be dealt with
- 00:45:54that all kind of would be completely
- 00:45:58invisible to somebody outside of the
- 00:45:59industry so the moment you have that's
- 00:46:02the thing like if you aggregate all this
- 00:46:03information about horses you could have
- 00:46:05easily an AI that just checks for
- 00:46:08problems in the horse right you can have
- 00:46:10ai that runs in the background as an
- 00:46:12agent that just checks every single
- 00:46:14newscast that it finds for did somebody
- 00:46:16mention a problem that they might have
- 00:46:18do I have a potential idea on how I
- 00:46:20could solve this and present that to you
- 00:46:22or to your customers like here's today's
- 00:46:24five biggest problem in big horse and
- 00:46:27then you know just just what you're
- 00:46:29doing here really here are ideas on how
- 00:46:31I can make these things and turn them
- 00:46:33into a business I I think there's
- 00:46:36there's a lot to be like the in between
- 00:46:37a transmission between a lot of data and
- 00:46:39people with a need right and that's
- 00:46:41that's what this business is I'm glad
- 00:46:43you like the idea dude I would tell you
- 00:46:45if I didn't like it you know on the pot
- 00:46:47I say do I you know do I sip the idea or
- 00:46:50do I spit the idea sip is you like it
- 00:46:52spit is you don't like it and I
- 00:46:54definitely SI that idea so thank you I S
- 00:46:57I actually sipped all your ideas you
- 00:46:59brought the fire I'm I'm feeling pretty
- 00:47:01like my creative juices are flowing I'm
- 00:47:03feeling pretty good right now um if you
- 00:47:05made it to this part of the podcast good
- 00:47:08for you yeah
- 00:47:10um that's awesome um but I have a a
- 00:47:14quick ask go and like this on YouTube
- 00:47:17because then more people will see this
- 00:47:19video um that's right don't gatekeep
- 00:47:21this video people like bookmark my
- 00:47:23tweets they don't like my tweets they
- 00:47:25they don't they don't want to like it on
- 00:47:27YouTube because they're afraid the ideas
- 00:47:29are going to get out there I'm asking
- 00:47:30you please like comment subscribe I
- 00:47:33appreciate it and Arvid where could
- 00:47:34people get to know you more and and what
- 00:47:38you're up to I appreciate you asking um
- 00:47:41people can find me on Twitter because
- 00:47:42that's where I hang out all day long uh
- 00:47:44it used to be called Twitter you
- 00:47:45probably know what it's called now you
- 00:47:47can find me there at avitar a rvid Kahl
- 00:47:50and then I guess podan is the big thing
- 00:47:52that I'm working on I'm building this in
- 00:47:53public too like every day I post like
- 00:47:55how how much I suck as a developer veler
- 00:47:57in trying to build this this product and
- 00:47:59I post about what I'm trying to do how I
- 00:48:01get my customers how I become profitable
- 00:48:04that's at podc scan. FM and if if you
- 00:48:06want to build something on top of what
- 00:48:08is now probably 15 million transcribed
- 00:48:11podcast episodes or um any business
- 00:48:15right obviously on top of this data I
- 00:48:17talked about the fire host the API or if
- 00:48:19you just are a person that wants to
- 00:48:21track mentions of your name or your
- 00:48:23brand on 2.5 million English speaking
- 00:48:26podcasts I scan every single day which
- 00:48:28is kind of crazy still can't believe
- 00:48:30that that's actually a thing that I was
- 00:48:31able to build yeah podan FM and yeah
- 00:48:34check me out on Twitter I think that's
- 00:48:35that's where you can reach me my DMs are
- 00:48:36open so you can annoy me or enlighten me
- 00:48:39with any ideas that you might have any
- 00:48:41criticism or cheering on is always
- 00:48:43welcome appreciate it it really is an
- 00:48:45interesting data set like the podcast
- 00:48:47data set is really interesting like I'm
- 00:48:48going to think about some ideas uh that
- 00:48:51I could be building um and by the way in
- 00:48:53the comment section comment because you
- 00:48:56might find your your human co-founder
- 00:48:59that's right not that you might need one
- 00:49:01but I noticed that some people in the
- 00:49:02YouTube comments have been like chatting
- 00:49:04and saying Hey I want to go build up and
- 00:49:06build something together so um yeah
- 00:49:09maybe maybe you go build something on
- 00:49:10top of
- 00:49:11podcasts um Arvid you're I want you to
- 00:49:15come back on you know on the pod in 2025
- 00:49:18this has been this has been amazing
- 00:49:20appreciate it and I'll see you on the
- 00:49:22internet well thanks so much yeah I'll
- 00:49:24be back I have a couple more ideas
- 00:49:25probably then even even even more than
- 00:49:27now thanks so much man see you all right
- 00:49:30take care
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