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I don't think people understand how easy
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it is to infer that someone who's a
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female artist or a female in our
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industry is somehow doing something
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wrong by wanting love wanting money
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wanting success women are not allowed to
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want those things the way that men are
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allowed to want them are you an emo kid
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I was actually at the most emo dinner
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party the other night cuz Brendan Yuri
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and Sarah his amazing wife like had me
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over I show up and it's like brandan and
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Pete wenton sitting next to each other
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and I just got to ask them every single
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question Pete went is probably if I had
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to pick a favorite Lyricist it would be
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a tie between him and Lana Del re blank
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space is a song that's just zingers one
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after another after another which I
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definitely learned from listening to
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Fallout Boy congratulations first and
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foremost on the success of lover because
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there's no guarantees even for someone a
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successful and talented as yourself
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every time you release music you open it
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up to the you know to the universe and
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you hope it's discovered yeah and
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actually an interesting dynamic happens
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between you and your previous work and
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it it happens as soon as you put out
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your second record everything you do is
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a standing ovation on your first record
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if you're having that breakthrough
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record and then you put out your second
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body of work and then you realize that
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everything you're putting out now is
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being compared to what they liked about
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your first record but then you put out
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the third one and then it's compared to
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the first two then you put out the
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fourth one then it's compared to the
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first three and it goes on and on and on
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by the time you're at album seven you
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are so
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you have such a strange convoluted
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relationship with your previous work
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because you're like damn it all too well
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was a good song and I knew with this
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album it was it was it was like
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something that was almost a return to
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form like reputation was such an
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important record for me
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because I I couldn't stop writing and I
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and like I needed to write that album
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and I needed to put out that album and I
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needed to not explain that album because
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another thing about that album was I
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knew if I didn't an interview about it
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none of it would be about music and this
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this entire like lover phase of my life
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there's been no distraction from the
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music cuz you're in a place where you're
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actually telling a very personal story
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or telling something so personal to you
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that someone else's opinion be it
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brilliant or otherwise is could could
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only Cloud that really yeah and I
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thankfully work with really wonderful uh
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collaborators who you know Jack is
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amazing like when I bring in a song that
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I've written 100% some producers will
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not
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like nowadays some producers will not
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produce something that they didn't have
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a coite on we really haven't figured out
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a way to compensate the creators and
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that's something that I'm always going
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to be very vocal about until I feel like
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it's fixed I definitely want to when I
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write a a song 100% I want credit for
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that and I think that's fair but I also
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when when people have these policies
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where they're like we won't do this
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without this I understand why um but I
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love right now you know out there we
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have amazing creators like hly like hly
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is an amazing writer and she speaks up
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for what she cares about and she's very
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vocal about things and we have these
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very Fierce women out there it's amazing
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time it's so good we were just talking
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about the internet back there in some of
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our favorite moments you may walk away
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from that world but you're able to to
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tap in and use it whenever you want and
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you do it very effectively um are you
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into it the internet the only thing I
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really read every day is political news
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oddly there are actual inflections of
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how I feel politically on this record
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more so than ever before like you know
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you need you need to calm down is is the
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man yeah the man there's a song called
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Miss Americana and the Heartbreak Prince
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see I didn't pick it up on that one it's
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it's definitely all about politics
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you've got these these songs that
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definitely welcome people into your
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world and yet you're able to keep
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yourself distant from that scrutiny how
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do you do that I think after a while you
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just realize that it's part of the job
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you know there's a lot of things that I
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tell myself when I'm kind of panicking
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and one of the things that I tell myself
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is like this is part of it this is
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normal when was it hardest when was it
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toughest for you this has happened
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several times so I can't like you know
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when I was like 23 and people were just
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like kind of reducing me to like kind of
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making slideshows of like my dating life
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and putting people in there that I'd sat
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next to at a party once and deciding
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that my songwriting was like a trick
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rather than a skill and a craft kind of
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it's it's it's a way to take a woman
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who's doing her job and succeeding at
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doing her job and making things and it's
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it's in a way it's it's figuring out how
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to completely minimize that skill by
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taking something that everyone you know
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in their darkest darkest moments loves
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to do which is to shame and so now
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when I see this happening I can see a
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headline about a young artist about a
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young female artist about like another
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breakup and it makes it SP it sends me
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into a takes you back there to a degree
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it sends me into a real sad place
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because I don't want that to keep
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happening and I don't think people
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understand how easy it is to infer that
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someone who's a female artist or a
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female in our industry is somehow doing
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something wrong by wanting love wanting
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money wanting success women are not
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allowed to want those things the way
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that men are allowed to want them do you
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still have blind sides do you still have
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things that catch you off guard things
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that kind of surprise you that you're
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not prepared for you know every step of
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my career there's been you know people
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questioning whether I deserve to be
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there so I feel like my whole career up
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until very recently was spent trying to
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prove myself to those people I'm trying
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to to prove that I that I belong here
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that I'm going to work hard enough that
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I'm going to I'm going to make music
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that's good enough to to belong here and
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you know I've had people standing up and
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saying you don't you don't deserve to be
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here either very loudly or loud in
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headlines or you know comments or
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whatever but you know that's part part
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of life new adventures cats yes yes I'm
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so happy I got to do this I really
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wanted to work with Tom Hooper I know
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that he records live and he films and
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Records your vocals live it's it's such
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an interesting thing to me and I wanted
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to see him work I had actually uh done
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screen tests for Lay Miz and had met him
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through that process like 2012 really
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yeah you went for it yeah I didn't get
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it do people know that is that out there
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I mean I think so but it's it was such
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an amazing experience just doing the
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screen test and I I was obviously like
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I'm not going to get this and so
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basically when I was approached this
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time it was a straight up offer and then
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I started going in for rehearsals and
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they have this
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behavioral uh studies class called cat
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school that I was okay and that's where
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we pause I need to just spend a little
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time in Behavioral Studies for cats so
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basically you go in you you watch these
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videos of casts you watch them walking
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you watch them sensing things you learn
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facts about them anatomically
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biologically how do they sense things
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how do they like what's their gaze like
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what's their what's their like it's
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amazing have you ever written a song
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from someone's point of view and played
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it to them and it's been too close to
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the Bone you know I remember I wrote a
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song called 15 for my friend Abigail who
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is still just my best friend and you
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know she's been God she's gone through a
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lot of like changes in my life and
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changes in her life and we just still
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are like this and she um she was my you
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know sitting next to me in freshman year
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and we became best friends and few years
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later I wrote a song called 15 that was
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about you know not just my life and
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journey at that age but also hers and I
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had to you know that was a situation
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where I played it for her and I was like
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this is just for you and it's never
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going to see the light of day if you
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don't want it to and she was like no you
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need to put this out what do you love
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most about your friends what is the one
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trait that you really look to you know I
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now like see resilience as like a major
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quality in friendship like when your
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stock is down if they're still wanting
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to hang out that's like and I know who
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those people are now it's really fun to
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know that Selena is one of those people
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oh she is and by the time we've start to
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to to put this out there'll be music
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it's just I'm so proud of her she's been
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through so much I've watched so much
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happen in her life I 100% convinced this
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is the best thing she's done so far
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