Climate and Nature: Seed Capital Needed | Davos 2024 | World Economic Forum

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TLDRIn a crucial discussion presented by the New York Times, leading experts and policymakers stress the urgency of addressing climate change by implementing radical system shifts and leveraging both public and private funding. 2023 marked the hottest recorded year, accentuating the urgent need for substantial investments to mitigate impending environmental disasters. Current trajectories indicate a potential increase in global temperatures by up to 3.4°C by 2100 if decisive action isn’t taken. This discussion underlined the need for collaboration across sectors to mobilize trillions of dollars annually towards climate-related innovations. Secretary John Kerry emphasized the critical role of private capital, philanthropy, and international partnerships in achieving net zero emissions by 2050. Despite advancements, the panel acknowledged the significant financial and strategic challenges ahead, urging increased involvement and commitment from all economic sectors.

Punti di forza

  • 🌡️ 2023 was the hottest year on record, indicating escalating climate urgency.
  • 🌍 Predicted global warming could reach 3.4°C by 2100 if current trends persist.
  • 🌊 Rising sea levels, biodiversity loss, and crop failure are expected impacts.
  • 💰 Achieving net zero by 2050 requires approximately $3 trillion annually.
  • 🤑 Investment horizons need to extend and risks must be addressed.
  • 🤝 Collaboration across public and private sectors is essential.
  • 🔄 System-wide changes are imperative: from energy to food production.
  • 💡 Innovation is key in developing sustainable solutions.
  • 🏭 Traditional investments fall short; novel funding models are needed.
  • 🎯 Philanthropy and private capital play pivotal roles in bridging gaps.

Linea temporale

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    In the video introduction, David GIS, a climate change reporter, references the alarming realities of 2023, the hottest year recorded, stressing climate change’s severe global impacts such as extreme weather and increasing sea surface temperatures. He highlights the daunting future: if current trajectories continue, the world could face 3.4 degrees of warming by 2100, leading to catastrophic outcomes including sea level rise, biodiversity loss, and famine. David argues the need for radical changes in various sectors and emphasizes that sufficient financial investment is crucial yet currently lacking in climate change mitigation efforts. He introduces Secretary John Kerry to discuss a path forward.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Secretary John Kerry reinforces the urgency of addressing climate change, highlighting the devastating climate impacts observed in 2023 and the irrefutable scientific evidence underscoring urgent action. Kerry discusses the multifaceted consequences of climate change, such as migration due to uninhabitable conditions, health crises from air pollution, and geopolitical disruptions. He stresses that governments, including the United States under President Biden, are trying to recognize and adapt to these changes, but significant financial and strategic global cooperation is needed. He emphasizes the potential for large-scale deployment of renewable energy as a critical strategy.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Kerry describes challenges in financing climate change solutions, noting that despite efforts, many countries make detrimental choices about energy due to insufficient financial backing from wealthier nations. He articulates the critical need for a wartime level of commitment and resource mobilization towards renewable energy initiatives. Kerry uses historical examples, drawing parallels with World War II production efforts, to argue that it's possible to achieve similar feats with today's technology, especially for solar and renewable energy, stressing the potential economic and environmental benefits.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Kerry continues discussing the financial requirements necessary to combat climate change, noting the urgent need for trillions of dollars annually until 2050 to meet climate goals. He highlights President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act as a significant step, offering billions to foster clean energy initiatives and technology. However, he stresses that public-private partnerships are vital to scale up efforts and emphasizes the importance of making investments bankable to encourage institutional investors, asserting that such investments could yield competitive returns while addressing climate needs.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Kerry concludes with a call to action, urging the creation of financially viable projects and pointing out the increasing but insufficient role of philanthropy in climate finance. He cites recent commitments like the Gaia program as steps in the right direction but stresses the need for much larger efforts to meet the climate challenge. He discusses prior international agreements and the progress made globally, emphasizing that despite some positive steps, much more is needed, particularly from philanthropy and multilateral cooperation, to reach the necessary financial and ecological milestones.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Panel discussions explore the complexity of financing climate action. Ray Dalio reflects on the practical challenges and emphasizes the importance of profit in driving climate investment. Marar from the International Finance Corporation points out the critical need for private sector involvement but highlights obstacles like high borrowing costs and consistency in regulation to attract more investments. There is discussion around making climate projects large and bankable to meet the expectations of institutional investors, and the necessity of blending finance with philanthropy to overcome challenges in funding mechanisms.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Panelists discuss leveraging institutional and philanthropic capital effectively for climate action. They stress public-private partnerships as essential for scaling up climate initiatives and point out existing roadblocks like regulatory shifts and the need for significant guarantees. Marar mentions efforts to make borrowing easier and less risky, emphasizing the necessity of collaboration between development banks and private sectors. There is an understanding that innovative financial structures are needed to address risks and attract necessary investments, with philanthropy as an underutilized catalyst in mobilizing funds.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Desmond from Temasek Trust highlights Asia's critical role in global climate solutions due to its significant emissions and growing economic influence. Temasek’s billion-dollar pledge aims to drive catalytic investments in the region through collaboration with international partners and a focus on building ecosystem capacities. Meanwhile, Bader Al Lamki discusses the importance of inclusive and strategic philanthropy in conjunction with business investments to achieve tangible climate and social impacts, stressing cross-sector collaboration and mutual goals for effective climate action.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:49:17

    The conclusion emphasizes the necessity of combining philanthropic and business efforts for climate solutions. Ray Dalio argues for practical approaches to mobilize resources, stressing that both sectors can address risks and capital needs more effectively through partnerships. MAF from the Green Climate Fund agrees, urging the unlocking and scaling of capital through innovative structures that guarantee returns, making climate initiatives attractive investments. The panel closes with a call to prevent a 'tragedy of practicality' by encouraging decisive and unified action to address the urgent climate crisis.

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  • What was a major highlight of 2023 in terms of climate change?

    2023 was the hottest year in modern history, showcasing the dire impacts of climate change.

  • What is the projected global warming by the year 2100 if current trends continue?

    The projection is 3.4°C of warming above pre-industrial levels by 2100.

  • What significant transition did the world leaders agree on at the recent conference?

    World leaders agreed to transition away from fossil fuels in alignment with scientific recommendations to achieve net zero by 2050.

  • What is the estimated annual investment required to combat climate change by 2050?

    An estimated $3 trillion annually is required to reach net zero and reverse nature loss by 2050.

  • What role can philanthropy play in addressing climate change?

    Philanthropy can provide catalytic capital to spur innovation and fund projects that are less attractive to mainstream investors.

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  • 00:00:03
    [Music]
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    good afternoon my name is David GIS I'm
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    a reporter at the New York Times
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    covering climate change we've got a
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    tremendous panel and great opening
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    speaker before we begin let me just try
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    to help set at the stage lest there was
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    any lingering Doubt last year 2023 made
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    it clear that climate change is a clear
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    and present danger for all of us it was
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    the hottest year in modern history we
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    saw extreme weather ravage every corner
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    of the globe sea surface temperatures
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    reached new highs and have not come down
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    despite winter in the Northern
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    Hemisphere and the science is clear that
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    circumstances are about to get much more
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    dire in the years ahead at the current
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    trajectory
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    the status quo we are on track to
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    potentially reach 3.4 de of warming
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    above pre-industrial Levels by the year
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    2100 that will bring with it the science
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    tells us sea level rise biodiversity
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    loss crop failure
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    migration famine it's going to get
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    serious very soon and despite all this
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    and despite the real progress that has
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    been made which we don't want to
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    overlook the global community and the
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    business Community I would argue is
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    still not doing nearly enough to combat
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    this urgent threat slowing down global
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    warming will require truly radical
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    system shifts from how food is grown to
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    how energy is created to how goods are
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    transported and sold and cities are
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    built and all of this vital work
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    requires money lots and lots and lots of
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    money and there's no shortage of money
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    in the world as we all this week know
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    very much and yet precious little of it
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    is being deployed towards this critical
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    work of reducing emissions as rapidly as
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    possible investment Horizons are still
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    too short risk tolerance is often too
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    low and there frankly reminds a myopic
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    focus on short-term profits now no actor
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    alone we know can solve these issues
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    we're going to need private Capital
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    development Finance institutions
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    philanthropy and more and it's only
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    together by working together with
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    Partnerships with new ambition new
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    models that we can address this pressing
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    problem we've seen some of this work
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    actually being done just here at w in
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    the last couple days Gaia has pulled
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    together a coalition that's set its
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    sites on a 1 billion new pledge to
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    deploy Capital with a combination of
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    corporate foundations and philanthropic
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    Partnerships but $1 billion do is a drop
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    in the bucket that's admirable work but
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    to reach Net
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    Zero and reverse nature loss by
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    2050 we need something on the order of
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    three trillion doll a
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    year so that is the challenge at hand
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    that's what we're going to be discussing
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    now how do we get more of this money
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    flowing to these critical projects
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    before we hear from our panelists I have
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    the distinct pleasure of introducing
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    secretary John Kerry President Biden's
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    special adviser to climate who I would
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    argue has done more to advance
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    International cooperation on the isue of
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    China than just about anyone else
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    secretary Carri some opening remarks
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    please
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    [Applause]
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    thanks well David thank you very very
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    much and um ladies and
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    gentlemen uh and particularly uh the
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    members of this really capable uh and
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    you will find hugely informed panel so
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    I'm almost embarrassed in laying out uh
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    some initial thoughts and David himself
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    just now gave you
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    a pretty good summary of what is at
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    stake uh and if I repeat a little bit uh
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    forgive me but we it can bear repetition
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    folks
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    um I'm trying to find a way every
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    day to be able to communicate to
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    people what the urgency really
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    is and why it is that um we need to more
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    more take
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    seriously uh what the scientists are
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    telling us and what Mother Nature is
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    telling us on a pretty regular
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    basis last year 2023 which David
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    referred to was literally the most
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    disruptive climate disruptive most
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    climate consequential negative year in
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    human
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    history and as we all know if you
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    measure
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    you know there's there's a
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    a important body of evidence now that's
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    been laid out that really uh doesn't
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    leave us any space for debate or frankly
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    procrastination any longer there are
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    millions of people already
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    Millions moving in various places on the
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    planet not always exclusively because of
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    climate but greatly added to by climate
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    Water Crisis uh lack of ability to grow
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    the crops they used to grow a prevalence
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    of disease that now takes hold that we
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    thought we had
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    eradicated uh the climate crisis is also
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    a Health
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    crisis uh in addition to that the
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    quality of the air which comes directly
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    from greenhouse gas emissions is killing
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    7 million people a year around the
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    planet uh and when I say killing them I
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    mean I'm talking about about literally
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    the disease that you get because you're
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    breathing in
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    particulates uh and the levels of cancer
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    the levels of complications for people
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    with heart disease or empyema so forth
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    are clear
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    scientifically uh in addition to that uh
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    we're
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    witnessing disruption that is really
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    really dangerous in terms of macro
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    global diplom Y and and and strategy
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    strategic thinking uh is changing as a
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    consequence though not all the policies
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    of the world have changed sufficiently
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    to address it uh but because of what's
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    happening to the island states where
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    their leaders now don't just sit around
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    and think about what they're going to do
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    to respond uh but they are uh thinking
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    about how they're going to move their
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    people and where they're going to go and
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    and will they be able to maintain
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    statehood in this afterlife of a nation
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    that is
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    without uh a nation
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    Place uh President Biden has actually
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    issued uh a executive statement that he
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    as president in the United States will
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    recognize those countries think of that
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    we've already had to say we will
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    recognize a country that had to move
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    from where it is that doesn't have a
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    country anymore but can still sit in the
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    United Nations or still be engaged in
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    interational Affairs in a recognized way
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    those are the kinds of things some
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    people on this planet have to actually
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    think about right now and respond to but
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    in addition to that there are places
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    that are becoming unworkable let alone
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    unlivable the human body just doesn't
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    respond the way it used to it would at
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    you know 100 degrees 101 degrees at 135
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    or
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    140° last year in Phoenix Arizona 31
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    straight days at 110 degrees or
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    higher asphalt that starts to melt
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    airplanes that can't land because the
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    airport has to close for a period of
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    time so disruptions to business
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    disruptions to life all bare cost and
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    people who are following this will tell
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    you the cost of lost productivity of
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    interruptions of of movement of goods
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    and services and so forth so
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    I've been traveling around the world a
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    lot in the last three years meeting with
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    leaders of countries trying to urge them
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    to choose something different in terms
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    of their energy production uh where they
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    have gas uh they could also be deploying
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    Renewables but they want to choose the
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    gas and so how do you go into that place
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    and persuade people wait that's a bad
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    choice and you have a better choice when
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    their answer to you is well and this is
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    what I've heard many many times Well Mr
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    secretary uh how much money is the
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    United States able to put into that and
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    will you you know make that available to
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    us if you help us we can do it and of
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    course you know most governments in the
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    world are not running around with
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    magical surpluses these days in a
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    position competing against Ukraine and
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    Gaza and emergency assistance and aids
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    for Africa and a hundred other things we
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    do uh to be able to plunk the money down
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    and say oh yeah we'll do that for you so
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    by default we see bad decisions being
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    made which have implications for all of
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    us so I was here a year ago to help we
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    launch the Gaia
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    initiative and I'm here again today
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    because I'm
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    convinced that the only way we win this
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    battle is by stepping up exponentially
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    from where we are today and begin to
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    treat this fight almost as if we were in
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    War I hate the war analogies and because
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    we get tired of them and they're
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    probably overused but unfortunately it's
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    uh it's it's
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    apt in World War II when we needed to
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    gain control over the Skies of the ocean
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    and learn how to penetrate Hitler's
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    defenses in order to win the Battle of
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    Freedom it was midlevel techs who made a
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    lot of decisions that actually helped us
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    win the war and uh Paul Kennedy at Yale
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    has written a book about this called the
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    engineers of Victory which if you want
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    to read about real effort it'll tell you
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    about it at the end of the war we could
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    turn out one B24 bomber every hour on
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    the
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    hour in a
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    reconstituted automobile Factory because
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    we were
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    serious could we be doing that today for
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    solar panels could we be doing that
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    today for blades for turbin you bet we
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    could but the politics of the world
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    haven't yet moved to understand that
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    that is almost literally where we need
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    to be why because as David just said to
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    you trillions of dollars are needed
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    somewhere between 2.5 to three trillion
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    and 4.5 to5 trillion a year every year
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    for the next until we get to 2050 next
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    30 Years think about
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    that and and let me if I were to ask you
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    a simple question does anybody here
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    believe that we are in a position where
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    we need to be to win the battle no the
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    answer is
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    no and what does it take to get there
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    the single most uh the single biggest
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    push or change that would have an impact
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    around the world right now is
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    money now President Biden didn't just
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    put money down through certain
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    incentives Etc uh he passed the
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    inflation reduction act which has now
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    seen us 88 new battery companies in the
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    United States since that law was passed
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    it's a law that was geared to provide a
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    about $369 billion to be able to help
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    companies and countries to be able to
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    make the better decisions but in reality
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    it's almost a trillion that's going to
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    be spent why because there's no ceiling
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    on it there's a floor the ceiling is
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    defined by those people who are ready to
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    use it and able to use it and who
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    qualify for it and so we actually could
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    get up into a trillion dollars if we
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    were to push the Curve the way that we
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    need to so folks public private
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    Partnerships which is what is going to
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    be discussed here is a critical leverage
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    point for our ability to be able to look
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    people in the eye and say we are doing
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    everything that we have possible and and
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    that we can try to do we need to unlock
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    and speed up action we need to bring
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    things to scale where we know that they
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    work but we don't have the ability to
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    bring it to scale because people are
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    reluctant to invest and that's another
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    place where philanthropy has a critical
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    role and I hope and I'm confident it
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    will be discussed here
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    today there are trillions of
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    dollars in the
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    marketplace some of it was parked for
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    quite a period of time when the interest
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    rates were low particularly low uh and
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    we're paying for the privilege with net
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    negative interest they were paying for
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    the privilege of being parked in a b
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    somewhere and not put to use at a time
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    where even that money which is owned by
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    somebody Black Rock and and Goldman
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    Sachs and uh you know Blackstone and all
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    these folks who manage vast sums of
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    money uh it's not their
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    money and a lot of people don't
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    understand that but it's money that is
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    Seeking a return on investment in almost
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    every case and and they are under a
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    fiduciary responsibility to provide that
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    so if a client comes in and plunks down
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    X hundreds of millions of dollars and
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    says I want you to do the following
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    things with this they're Duty bound to
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    do it that money is not available to be
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    able to make the difference that some
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    people in the world think so what we
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    have to do to cure that and get that
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    money to deploy is create bankable
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    deals and when you create a bankable
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    deal you're basically taking risk out of
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    the deal reducing the risk so that you
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    have first loss or or you know earnest
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    money or something put up that gives
  • 00:15:31
    people confidence that if they are going
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    to put some of that money down there are
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    the good prospects uh not good they can
  • 00:15:39
    have defensible prospects uh that uh
  • 00:15:42
    that's a bet that's worth making now how
  • 00:15:45
    do we do that well philanthropy can play
  • 00:15:47
    a far bigger role than it is today and
  • 00:15:51
    I'm optimistic about our prospects
  • 00:15:53
    frankly if we can churn this money out
  • 00:15:55
    in the next few years remember the the
  • 00:15:58
    the target that we have uh don't have to
  • 00:16:01
    be achieved by next week or by next year
  • 00:16:04
    there's a first plateau of 2030 where we
  • 00:16:07
    need to have a minimum of a 43%
  • 00:16:09
    reduction and then there's 2050 where we
  • 00:16:12
    need to be able to hit the net0 2050 so
  • 00:16:15
    we do have some time here to mature to
  • 00:16:18
    bring maturity to some of these
  • 00:16:20
    Technologies and to deploy them in a way
  • 00:16:22
    that will make a a a a difference now we
  • 00:16:25
    have countries now that have agreed uh
  • 00:16:28
    on targets for the global adaptation
  • 00:16:31
    adaptation a lot of people have shied
  • 00:16:32
    away from investing in because they
  • 00:16:34
    think they can't make money not true
  • 00:16:37
    there are loads of adaptation projects
  • 00:16:40
    which actually have a return on
  • 00:16:42
    investment and so you could be earning
  • 00:16:44
    10 12 15% which for a pension fund or
  • 00:16:47
    something is not a bad return uh and if
  • 00:16:50
    you have that with a 30-year PPA uh
  • 00:16:54
    offtake agreement you're in business and
  • 00:16:56
    you're able to be able to make things
  • 00:16:57
    work so think bankable deal think how we
  • 00:17:01
    change our the way we look at that and
  • 00:17:04
    we have to make the multilateral
  • 00:17:06
    commitments that we need to do this more
  • 00:17:08
    of a reality multilateral action
  • 00:17:10
    combined with progress is already
  • 00:17:13
    happening uh in the markets and it is
  • 00:17:16
    propelling US forward but just not big
  • 00:17:18
    enough and fast enough and yet and and
  • 00:17:21
    and this question of scale is critical
  • 00:17:23
    and I think we have to talk about that
  • 00:17:25
    here now today philanthropy can an
  • 00:17:28
    accelerant here folks needs to be but
  • 00:17:32
    for whatever reasons and I think I be
  • 00:17:35
    great for the panel to explore this
  • 00:17:37
    climate philanthropy seems to have
  • 00:17:39
    plateaued at less than
  • 00:17:42
    two% of all philanthropic
  • 00:17:45
    giving given the nature of this crisis
  • 00:17:48
    we got to break that mold and that's
  • 00:17:51
    another of the challenges that we face
  • 00:17:54
    so I was really excited to learn that
  • 00:17:56
    the Gaia program or plan is launching a
  • 00:17:59
    corporate philanthropy challenge here
  • 00:18:01
    today uh to mobilize smart catalytic
  • 00:18:05
    Capital towards climate and nature
  • 00:18:07
    interventions by
  • 00:18:09
    2030 uh I would hope that we could go
  • 00:18:13
    further than the billion dollars that we
  • 00:18:14
    could actually make it a bigger uh grab
  • 00:18:17
    if you will and challenge maybe that 2%
  • 00:18:20
    figure will inspire people to reach out
  • 00:18:22
    to more philanthropies and build this
  • 00:18:25
    out but I want to go back back to what I
  • 00:18:29
    said
  • 00:18:29
    earlier
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    uh 1.5
  • 00:18:34
    degrees and I'll close sort of just on
  • 00:18:37
    this note in
  • 00:18:40
    Dubai we actually did break the
  • 00:18:43
    mold we came out with a very different
  • 00:18:46
    Paradigm building on Paris building on
  • 00:18:50
    Glasgow and charmal Shake we got 195
  • 00:18:54
    countries to all agree to buy in to the
  • 00:18:57
    notion that we we have to transition
  • 00:18:59
    away from fossil
  • 00:19:01
    fuels and we have to do so in accordance
  • 00:19:04
    with the science we have to do so
  • 00:19:07
    meeting the goal of 2050 Net Zero and we
  • 00:19:10
    have to do so accelerating those efforts
  • 00:19:13
    now in this decade that's the conclusion
  • 00:19:17
    and the operative language which we all
  • 00:19:20
    have to digest more in order to get
  • 00:19:22
    where we need to go that to me is a game
  • 00:19:26
    Cher and when you add it to the methane
  • 00:19:29
    uh initiative to the shipping challenge
  • 00:19:32
    to the food and agriculture challenges
  • 00:19:34
    to the other efforts that came out in
  • 00:19:36
    terms of the loss and damage fund and
  • 00:19:38
    other things we are in better shape to
  • 00:19:41
    take this issue to where it needs to go
  • 00:19:44
    than we have ever been and that's why
  • 00:19:47
    this meeting is even more important than
  • 00:19:49
    it might have normally been because
  • 00:19:52
    philanthropy doesn't have to sit there
  • 00:19:54
    and worry though sometimes it may in one
  • 00:19:56
    form or another but it doesn't have that
  • 00:19:59
    same uh fiduciary
  • 00:20:02
    restraint uh with respect to uh looking
  • 00:20:06
    for the return on investment mostly
  • 00:20:09
    philanthropy gives grants and it knows
  • 00:20:12
    it's making a bet here uh I think the
  • 00:20:15
    BET could not be more important couldn't
  • 00:20:17
    be bigger couldn't be more compelling
  • 00:20:19
    and hopefully uh we're going to get some
  • 00:20:21
    great ideas on the table today for how
  • 00:20:23
    we're going to win this battle so thank
  • 00:20:25
    you all very very much
  • 00:20:27
    thanks
  • 00:20:32
    thank you secretary KY well let's get
  • 00:20:34
    into it uh Ray first just very briefly
  • 00:20:36
    you sometimes make a habit of predicting
  • 00:20:39
    cataclysmic world ending events you've
  • 00:20:42
    talked about World War II and the US
  • 00:20:43
    Civil War where does climate change rank
  • 00:20:46
    on that list for you I just want to set
  • 00:20:48
    the stakes
  • 00:20:49
    here well it's a huge issue
  • 00:20:53
    um as was mentioned if we take the cost
  • 00:20:56
    of it and I think the $5 trillion is a
  • 00:20:59
    good number to use that represents 5% of
  • 00:21:02
    world
  • 00:21:04
    GDP so at a minimum if you get that
  • 00:21:07
    amount of money 5% of world GDP is very
  • 00:21:11
    expensive so that is if you succeed yeah
  • 00:21:15
    and if you don't succeed it was well
  • 00:21:17
    established what the magnitude is the
  • 00:21:19
    costs are going to be tremendous okay so
  • 00:21:22
    as SEC secretary Carrie was saying
  • 00:21:24
    there's a cost of either preventing it
  • 00:21:27
    there's a cost of adapting to it how do
  • 00:21:30
    these how do you build the
  • 00:21:32
    infrastructure and all of that and then
  • 00:21:33
    there's a cost of its damag MH and so
  • 00:21:37
    when you think about mobilizing the
  • 00:21:39
    capital necessary to address it at the
  • 00:21:41
    scale we're talking about which is not
  • 00:21:43
    incremental but really tremendous when
  • 00:21:45
    you talk about that exponential step up
  • 00:21:48
    where does that come from how do you as
  • 00:21:50
    someone who's steeped in the world of
  • 00:21:52
    Finance understand putting together some
  • 00:21:54
    of these Partnerships which has to go
  • 00:21:57
    first where is the first layer of risk
  • 00:22:00
    coming from and how do you get more
  • 00:22:01
    money off the
  • 00:22:02
    sidelines I think that there's been a a
  • 00:22:05
    tragedy of
  • 00:22:07
    practicality in looking at where the
  • 00:22:09
    money comes
  • 00:22:10
    from what I mean by that is only about
  • 00:22:14
    one sixth of the amount of money is
  • 00:22:16
    being uh gotten and
  • 00:22:20
    um and so there's this notion we should
  • 00:22:23
    we should we should but there's the
  • 00:22:26
    facts of let's look at who has the money
  • 00:22:31
    what is the size of it and what are
  • 00:22:33
    their
  • 00:22:34
    motivations I think you secretary KY did
  • 00:22:37
    a very good job of describing the
  • 00:22:39
    motivations of those and so if when you
  • 00:22:43
    look at uh philanthropy philanthropy
  • 00:22:46
    total World philanthropy is about a
  • 00:22:48
    trillion dollars a year and and let's be
  • 00:22:50
    practical what do they give it to they
  • 00:22:52
    want to give it to their Hospital their
  • 00:22:54
    children's the CH uh schools that they
  • 00:22:57
    went to they want to give it to their
  • 00:22:59
    neighborhoods and so on and that's just
  • 00:23:02
    a reality that we have to accept we are
  • 00:23:05
    not going to just say they should get
  • 00:23:08
    more or if you take a bank there was an
  • 00:23:10
    idea banks have a lot of money but they
  • 00:23:12
    have to get it money returns to the
  • 00:23:14
    people and they have to produce returns
  • 00:23:17
    and so there's a basic system here that
  • 00:23:20
    I see the largest pool of money is
  • 00:23:22
    Institutional Investor money yeah and I
  • 00:23:25
    see that they want to invest in this but
  • 00:23:28
    they have constituents too in other
  • 00:23:30
    words all of the Sovereign wealth funds
  • 00:23:32
    and the institution Pension funds have
  • 00:23:34
    to deliver returns to those particular
  • 00:23:37
    people and so the question really is
  • 00:23:40
    it's a simple question that
  • 00:23:42
    profitability is one of those
  • 00:23:44
    considerations in entering it and what I
  • 00:23:47
    see simultaneously and I saw at cop 28 I
  • 00:23:50
    was there for 10 of the 12 days and my
  • 00:23:53
    own passion is an ocean exploration and
  • 00:23:55
    the ocean is a passion and I saw are so
  • 00:23:58
    many bright ideas that I want to invest
  • 00:24:00
    in yeah that that I know uh what's the
  • 00:24:04
    great power the great power is in
  • 00:24:06
    entrepreneurship and inventing ideas or
  • 00:24:09
    developing in the capital markets and
  • 00:24:11
    providing a good return so I think as
  • 00:24:14
    secretary K said so articulately that if
  • 00:24:17
    we tap into that potential and I think
  • 00:24:20
    there is this is the time if I look at
  • 00:24:22
    let's say a good example would be Bill
  • 00:24:24
    Gates breakthrough energy yeah and we
  • 00:24:26
    and we look at the Double bottom line
  • 00:24:29
    because money H itself even in
  • 00:24:32
    philanthropy has to be sustainable
  • 00:24:34
    everything has to be sustainable not
  • 00:24:36
    just the environment and so the I think
  • 00:24:38
    we're at a PO moment right now where
  • 00:24:41
    there's excitement for being able to be
  • 00:24:44
    make good Investments so as we go down
  • 00:24:47
    the line here and we talk about the
  • 00:24:48
    different people we think okay there's I
  • 00:24:51
    think together that we can put together
  • 00:24:55
    great investment funds that can demon
  • 00:24:57
    state for example to Sovereign wealth
  • 00:24:59
    funds and large institutional investors
  • 00:25:02
    and other that they can get a return on
  • 00:25:05
    that and that unleashes that not when
  • 00:25:08
    when you provide the return you also
  • 00:25:10
    unleash the inventiveness of
  • 00:25:11
    entrepreneurs y so that's what I view G
  • 00:25:15
    as about that's great I mean I this
  • 00:25:17
    notion of a tragedy of practicality
  • 00:25:19
    though I want to keep coming back to
  • 00:25:21
    that because it strikes me that the
  • 00:25:23
    biggest tragedy of all would be to let
  • 00:25:25
    our practicality stop us from making the
  • 00:25:28
    real radical Investments we need to in
  • 00:25:30
    the coming decades mafal I'd love to
  • 00:25:32
    turn to you you run the UN fcc's green
  • 00:25:34
    climate fund you're mobilizing capital
  • 00:25:37
    from nation states deploying it to the
  • 00:25:40
    people to the projects that need it most
  • 00:25:42
    and yet I I don't need to tell you it is
  • 00:25:45
    sometimes hard for you to get those
  • 00:25:47
    commitments to secure that funding the
  • 00:25:49
    United States just uh committed three
  • 00:25:51
    billion dollars uh was potentially
  • 00:25:54
    overdue uh in Dubai this past winter at
  • 00:25:58
    cop 28 why though are you finding it so
  • 00:26:01
    challenged when we think about this
  • 00:26:03
    notion of practicality what is the
  • 00:26:04
    holdup for those who really are
  • 00:26:07
    controlling the pur strings to open them
  • 00:26:09
    up for what so many now agree is this
  • 00:26:12
    most existential of
  • 00:26:14
    issues so first of all uh let me say
  • 00:26:16
    that I'm really happy to be here uh and
  • 00:26:19
    we are really happy to be part of GAA um
  • 00:26:22
    uh in particular you know the focus on
  • 00:26:24
    on Partnerships and and bringing public
  • 00:26:27
    private philanthropic Capital together
  • 00:26:31
    um and also the element of of innovation
  • 00:26:34
    um I also want to say that you know
  • 00:26:37
    normally I could play a little bit the
  • 00:26:39
    role of secretary car not as as eloquent
  • 00:26:42
    as him but you know in in bringing the
  • 00:26:44
    science and uh and uh how much we need
  • 00:26:47
    to pay attention to the urgency but I
  • 00:26:49
    also want to bring a positive spin to
  • 00:26:52
    the story and because I think we need
  • 00:26:54
    hope uh we we need people to believe
  • 00:26:56
    that this is possible
  • 00:26:58
    uh we have been investing for many years
  • 00:27:01
    for for you know for more than a decade
  • 00:27:05
    uh roughly two decades in these type of
  • 00:27:07
    investments in in developing countries
  • 00:27:10
    um and we have seen tough investment
  • 00:27:14
    decisions being made by governments and
  • 00:27:16
    by private
  • 00:27:18
    sector um and and you can look at it if
  • 00:27:21
    you if you track the history of
  • 00:27:23
    renewable energy investments in
  • 00:27:24
    developing countries when the first
  • 00:27:27
    second third of it of its kind of these
  • 00:27:29
    Investments happened these were
  • 00:27:32
    difficult investment
  • 00:27:33
    decisions how did we bring them about
  • 00:27:36
    because public and private Capital came
  • 00:27:38
    together and the type of risk Capital
  • 00:27:41
    that green climate fund uh provides was
  • 00:27:44
    a big component MDB money marar is here
  • 00:27:48
    he can speak to that as well but it was
  • 00:27:51
    this combination of public and private
  • 00:27:53
    Capital so we have come a long way uh in
  • 00:27:57
    in trying to bring public Capital
  • 00:27:59
    together mdbs bilateral governments uh
  • 00:28:03
    because we have seen the power of of
  • 00:28:05
    bringing people together we have brought
  • 00:28:06
    public and private Capital together
  • 00:28:09
    mostly in the project Finance basis um
  • 00:28:13
    now we really and and we have we have
  • 00:28:16
    demonstrated we have piloted we have
  • 00:28:18
    created some markets we have created
  • 00:28:20
    track records learning curves we have
  • 00:28:22
    helped private sector companies go
  • 00:28:24
    through certain learning curves but we
  • 00:28:26
    have a problem of scale that's the
  • 00:28:28
    that's the we have a problem if we could
  • 00:28:31
    allow things to move
  • 00:28:33
    organically um this was all fine but we
  • 00:28:36
    we cannot just allow things to move
  • 00:28:38
    organically at this pace uh because of
  • 00:28:41
    the the need to to act with speed and
  • 00:28:45
    scale so this is why we need this sort
  • 00:28:48
    of push and these type of initiatives
  • 00:28:51
    and I agree with with Reay the biggest
  • 00:28:54
    pool of capital is in institutional
  • 00:28:57
    capital so what is it that it will
  • 00:28:59
    take uh and you know we are here to
  • 00:29:02
    bring the the the public cap the risk
  • 00:29:05
    Capital patient Capital like ourselves
  • 00:29:08
    other type of capital other type of
  • 00:29:10
    public capital and the institutional
  • 00:29:11
    capital and I see you know I see good
  • 00:29:14
    signs I I I see you know we ourselves
  • 00:29:18
    announced at cop um we being anchor
  • 00:29:22
    investment in in platform in a platform
  • 00:29:25
    to bring institutional capital for
  • 00:29:26
    subnational borrowing or Landing for
  • 00:29:29
    subnational landing we are part of a
  • 00:29:31
    guarantee company to guarantee the
  • 00:29:33
    issuance of green bonds we need to see
  • 00:29:36
    these so I really am looking forward to
  • 00:29:40
    to seeing the big bets we are talking
  • 00:29:42
    about in GA what are the big bets where
  • 00:29:44
    we can rally support from a variety of
  • 00:29:47
    critical stakeholders and drive
  • 00:29:49
    systematically action at scale thank you
  • 00:29:52
    mafal uh marar we talked uh we just
  • 00:29:55
    heard from MAF talk about private
  • 00:29:57
    Capital crowding in we've heard that
  • 00:29:59
    phrase over and over uh the World Bank
  • 00:30:01
    is newly resolved under the leadership
  • 00:30:04
    of uh president AJ banga to try to
  • 00:30:06
    mobilize Capital to address climate
  • 00:30:08
    change uh you run the international
  • 00:30:11
    Finance Corporation which is the part of
  • 00:30:12
    the World Bank that specializes with
  • 00:30:14
    working with the private sector so
  • 00:30:15
    you're right at that Nexus people talk
  • 00:30:17
    about the World Bank sort of serving as
  • 00:30:19
    this leverage point that could bring in
  • 00:30:21
    hundreds of billions if not even you
  • 00:30:23
    know trillions potentially of dollars
  • 00:30:25
    from the private sector and yet we still
  • 00:30:28
    see even today even with that renewed
  • 00:30:30
    ambition borrowing costs are much higher
  • 00:30:33
    in the developing world it's harder and
  • 00:30:35
    harder to build these renewable projects
  • 00:30:39
    in the places that need them most we
  • 00:30:40
    have FX risk geopolitical risk raising
  • 00:30:43
    the cost of capital what's being done
  • 00:30:45
    and what are the biggest roadblocks to
  • 00:30:48
    finding more of these opportunities for
  • 00:30:50
    that money to come in and make the
  • 00:30:51
    difference that you want it to make now
  • 00:30:53
    thank you very much David uh when edj
  • 00:30:56
    came he he put put in place a private
  • 00:30:58
    sector lab so what is the private sector
  • 00:31:00
    lab is 20 CEOs Institutional Investor
  • 00:31:03
    private uh uh fund and he asked Mar
  • 00:31:06
    Cardy to to coordinate to chair this
  • 00:31:09
    group and I am uh uh coordinating it
  • 00:31:13
    practically to come with ideas what are
  • 00:31:15
    we learning from this exercise first uh
  • 00:31:19
    people want guarantees they want more
  • 00:31:22
    guarantees private sector there the
  • 00:31:23
    number one request was more guarantees
  • 00:31:26
    political risk guarantees and other type
  • 00:31:28
    of guarantee currently we put in place a
  • 00:31:30
    working group at the World Bank where we
  • 00:31:32
    put all our guarantee instruments and
  • 00:31:35
    the objective will be to put them
  • 00:31:37
    together and to be make it much more
  • 00:31:39
    accessible and easier to access by the
  • 00:31:41
    private sector and increase the scale
  • 00:31:43
    second you mention it f uh actually it
  • 00:31:46
    was not as big as we saw at the
  • 00:31:48
    beginning the the the most one the most
  • 00:31:50
    important one was really guarantees but
  • 00:31:53
    effect is coming and we looking looking
  • 00:31:55
    at options to be able to address these
  • 00:31:58
    issue the third one was regulation uh
  • 00:32:01
    still a lot of confusion on the
  • 00:32:03
    regulation L of practic predictability
  • 00:32:06
    from investors particularly when they're
  • 00:32:07
    working on emerging countries so fourth
  • 00:32:10
    one is pipeline of project so we are
  • 00:32:13
    working now on uh uh uh originate to
  • 00:32:17
    distribute so change a little bit the
  • 00:32:19
    philosophies uh uh secretary recovery in
  • 00:32:21
    the conversation that we had at with the
  • 00:32:25
    panel that you chair with fatti that
  • 00:32:27
    question was raised because the report
  • 00:32:30
    that we prepare IFC with fat Bol that
  • 00:32:33
    one the one who came with the 2.8
  • 00:32:35
    billion trillion dollar a year I saying
  • 00:32:38
    that there we still lack project a
  • 00:32:40
    bankable project that we can see and
  • 00:32:42
    last question is that when you talk to
  • 00:32:43
    institutional investors they tell you
  • 00:32:45
    below $1 billion we are not interested
  • 00:32:48
    so you need to bring large project so it
  • 00:32:51
    means that we have few challenges there
  • 00:32:54
    one how do we work with a smaller
  • 00:32:56
    country which don't have access to
  • 00:32:58
    Capital Market but also as we how do we
  • 00:33:00
    work with large country which has the
  • 00:33:02
    largest emitters so we have all this
  • 00:33:04
    jetp effort that has been made and the
  • 00:33:07
    big question now is how to have more
  • 00:33:09
    philanthropy money and grant money and
  • 00:33:12
    Blended money to address this issue of
  • 00:33:14
    this large country the Indonesia of this
  • 00:33:16
    world the the the the the China of this
  • 00:33:19
    world the uh those are the countries
  • 00:33:22
    that really will make move move the the
  • 00:33:25
    the the Delta so for for that we have
  • 00:33:28
    already five four years ago with
  • 00:33:31
    Rockefeller Foundation vage we have we
  • 00:33:34
    put together this Coalition but it was
  • 00:33:36
    for Access so it was for access to all
  • 00:33:39
    countries something similar is was
  • 00:33:42
    needed for Middle income country I think
  • 00:33:43
    that's why GAA is so important because
  • 00:33:45
    now we start talking about what we will
  • 00:33:47
    remove really the the the needle and and
  • 00:33:51
    and and and I think bringing significant
  • 00:33:53
    amount of of it and bring and showing
  • 00:33:55
    the investment that that bring return
  • 00:33:59
    will be important let me give you two
  • 00:34:01
    three example of things that people are
  • 00:34:02
    looking into green hydrogen for instance
  • 00:34:05
    today we are investing and looking for
  • 00:34:08
    in the middle of the food crisis to
  • 00:34:10
    invest in green fertilizer much GRE
  • 00:34:12
    Greening the production of fertilizer
  • 00:34:14
    with renewable green hydrogen Ura amonia
  • 00:34:18
    and and and so forth how we can do more
  • 00:34:21
    carbon capture how we can do a certain
  • 00:34:23
    number of things how we can lower the
  • 00:34:25
    cost of adoption of the technology
  • 00:34:27
    lastly let's not forget the how to aate
  • 00:34:29
    sector which has been currently a little
  • 00:34:32
    bit forgotten in that conversation and
  • 00:34:34
    we be focusing a lot on generation but
  • 00:34:36
    not lot on reducing the emission coming
  • 00:34:39
    for the hard to aate sector so this is
  • 00:34:41
    what is coming of the current
  • 00:34:42
    conversation it's hot from the from the
  • 00:34:44
    from the oven but uh I think that we are
  • 00:34:47
    we are moving the right direction but
  • 00:34:50
    definitely the scale of of Blended
  • 00:34:53
    Finance going for Middle income
  • 00:34:54
    countries the jetp country need need to
  • 00:34:57
    be increased significantly significantly
  • 00:34:58
    in the years to come thank you Desmond
  • 00:35:00
    let me turn to you uh as CEO of tomasic
  • 00:35:03
    trust which the philanthropic arm of
  • 00:35:04
    task of course uh you recently made a$1
  • 00:35:07
    billion Singapore commitment to help get
  • 00:35:11
    these catalytic Investments moving
  • 00:35:13
    forward in partnership with Gaia that's
  • 00:35:16
    great but I wonder if you could take us
  • 00:35:17
    inside the thought process we have lots
  • 00:35:20
    of institutional investors out there
  • 00:35:22
    many of whom are not taking steps like
  • 00:35:24
    this what gave you the conviction to
  • 00:35:27
    actually move forward and what do you
  • 00:35:28
    say to those that are still on the
  • 00:35:30
    sidelines well first of all thank you
  • 00:35:32
    David it's not1 billion dollar from
  • 00:35:34
    Singapore it's a billion dollars that we
  • 00:35:35
    manage to raise in terms of pledges from
  • 00:35:37
    Partners from around the world who feel
  • 00:35:41
    that in solving the global climate
  • 00:35:44
    challenge you can't not solve for Asia
  • 00:35:47
    and so what we're looking to do of
  • 00:35:49
    course is to bring partners like-minded
  • 00:35:51
    partners from around the world donors
  • 00:35:54
    knowledge experts program partners who
  • 00:35:57
    are Keen to come together to see how we
  • 00:35:59
    can make uh the needle much more
  • 00:36:03
    impactfully moved so I would say that
  • 00:36:06
    what we're hoping to do in tamasic trust
  • 00:36:08
    is to facilitate is to enable it's to
  • 00:36:11
    catalyze we know that more than half the
  • 00:36:14
    world's population is here in Asia more
  • 00:36:17
    than half the emissions are coming out
  • 00:36:18
    of Asia temperatures are based on
  • 00:36:21
    projection they would rise twice faster
  • 00:36:25
    in Asia than the global average but on
  • 00:36:27
    the bright side we're seeing that nearly
  • 00:36:30
    half the world's GDP is also coming out
  • 00:36:33
    of Asia and there is an increasing share
  • 00:36:36
    of wealth that's coming out of Asia and
  • 00:36:38
    growing philanthropic interest in Asia
  • 00:36:42
    and a stronger desire to want to do more
  • 00:36:45
    do faster do things in a much more
  • 00:36:47
    intentional way and what we're hoping to
  • 00:36:50
    do therefore is to bring all of this
  • 00:36:52
    together around climate around the
  • 00:36:55
    intersections with health
  • 00:36:57
    with inclusive development and education
  • 00:36:59
    and we think that the way to do this is
  • 00:37:02
    of course to build and enable um
  • 00:37:05
    capacity and so one of the things which
  • 00:37:07
    we're doing is to start up an Asia
  • 00:37:09
    Center for change makers it's for social
  • 00:37:11
    entrepreneurs it's for philanthropists
  • 00:37:14
    investors family officers who want to
  • 00:37:16
    come into such an Institute um to
  • 00:37:20
    nurture talent and raise competency so
  • 00:37:23
    we're doing that this year we think that
  • 00:37:25
    there is a lot of scope for us to
  • 00:37:27
    partner up with uh uh institutions
  • 00:37:30
    research houses thought leaders from
  • 00:37:32
    around the world who can help us uh make
  • 00:37:35
    sense of where the issues are most
  • 00:37:39
    pressing systems thinking theories of
  • 00:37:41
    change around what is this that's most
  • 00:37:44
    purposeful and impactful for us to drive
  • 00:37:47
    forward together in fixing we think that
  • 00:37:50
    there is space for us to build uh a
  • 00:37:54
    Marketplace the infrastructure for an
  • 00:37:56
    impact marketplace where we can connect
  • 00:37:58
    up projects with funders and we think
  • 00:38:02
    that particularly early stage uh
  • 00:38:05
    projects which are not immediately
  • 00:38:08
    bankable investable we think that some
  • 00:38:10
    amount of seed Capital going into
  • 00:38:13
    helping them along Crossing that Valley
  • 00:38:16
    of Death if you like uh would go a long
  • 00:38:18
    way towards making uh some of these
  • 00:38:21
    impact projects uh possible and feasible
  • 00:38:25
    and we think fourthly I would say uh we
  • 00:38:27
    want to try and build momentum across
  • 00:38:29
    all of this that we're talking about we
  • 00:38:32
    think that there is scope for us to come
  • 00:38:34
    together with Partners to try and drive
  • 00:38:37
    an amplifier a program where successful
  • 00:38:39
    entrepreneurs mentors people who've been
  • 00:38:42
    there before can lend a helping hand and
  • 00:38:45
    help those who are trying to start up
  • 00:38:47
    with their fresh ideas around the
  • 00:38:49
    climate challenge uh find success in the
  • 00:38:52
    commercial space so all these are
  • 00:38:55
    exciting Ena that we think that the
  • 00:38:57
    philanthropy Asia alliance with all of
  • 00:39:00
    our partners can come together to try
  • 00:39:02
    and make some movement in this space
  • 00:39:04
    that's great thank you Desmond B you
  • 00:39:06
    were the cop 28 special representative
  • 00:39:09
    for business and philanthropy and as
  • 00:39:11
    we've heard uh in the last hour or so
  • 00:39:14
    both philanthropies and potentially
  • 00:39:16
    businesses are hesitant to deploy
  • 00:39:19
    Capital at scale but for different
  • 00:39:21
    reasons uh philanthropies perhaps some
  • 00:39:24
    would argue are too conservative you
  • 00:39:26
    know trapped in cycles of uh very sort
  • 00:39:29
    of judicious ways of deploying capital
  • 00:39:31
    and looking for that uh you know near
  • 00:39:34
    term local impact if you will that Ry
  • 00:39:36
    was describing and businesses of course
  • 00:39:39
    uh have shareholders to answer to for
  • 00:39:40
    the most part can you take us inside the
  • 00:39:42
    room if you will and help us understand
  • 00:39:45
    when you were talking with businesses
  • 00:39:46
    when you were talking with
  • 00:39:47
    philanthropies at cop 28 how did you
  • 00:39:50
    help get them over that line and start
  • 00:39:53
    convincing them to deploy more Capital
  • 00:39:55
    against this issue
  • 00:39:57
    so first of all just want to thank and
  • 00:39:59
    congratulate we and more specifically
  • 00:40:01
    Gaia for continuously elevating the role
  • 00:40:03
    that strategic philanthropy can play in
  • 00:40:06
    partnership with business capital and
  • 00:40:08
    government Capital to really help to
  • 00:40:09
    move the needle a lot further and a lot
  • 00:40:11
    faster on a whole host of global issues
  • 00:40:13
    including of course the climate um and
  • 00:40:15
    nature agenda so it's been just over a
  • 00:40:18
    month since um cop 28 and as I was
  • 00:40:21
    saying to R some of us are still
  • 00:40:22
    experiencing um withdrawal symptoms
  • 00:40:24
    waking up um in night sweats thinking
  • 00:40:27
    about loss and damage fund and Global
  • 00:40:29
    decarbonization accelerators but it
  • 00:40:31
    really was a moment where as secretary
  • 00:40:33
    Kerry said
  • 00:40:34
    195 nations in the world or so came
  • 00:40:37
    together to deliver the UAE consensus in
  • 00:40:40
    response to the first Global stock take
  • 00:40:45
    and there were a number as again as
  • 00:40:48
    secretary secretary Kerry said a number
  • 00:40:50
    of unprecedented um outcomes uh one of
  • 00:40:53
    which of course was the fact that the
  • 00:40:55
    world came together to agree on the
  • 00:40:57
    transition away from fossil fuels in a
  • 00:40:59
    just orderly and Equitable manner
  • 00:41:03
    underpinned by the science towards Net
  • 00:41:05
    Zero by 2050 we agreed to Triple
  • 00:41:08
    renewable energy and double Energy
  • 00:41:10
    Efficiency by
  • 00:41:11
    2030 we agreed to double adaptation
  • 00:41:14
    financing we managed to harness over $
  • 00:41:16
    85 billion in New Capital really from
  • 00:41:19
    across the spectrum of stakeholders
  • 00:41:21
    agreed to operationalize the loss and
  • 00:41:23
    damage fund and a host of other outcomes
  • 00:41:25
    across Ross different climate Nature
  • 00:41:28
    Health Spectrum but for me what I think
  • 00:41:31
    cop 28
  • 00:41:34
    represented um which really was the
  • 00:41:36
    vision of Dr Sultan Al jabber was a
  • 00:41:39
    paradigm shift in the way that we unite
  • 00:41:42
    act and deliver and I think it also
  • 00:41:45
    demonstrated that even in a pretty
  • 00:41:47
    dismal geopolitical environment
  • 00:41:49
    multilateralism isn't dead but that it
  • 00:41:52
    needs to work for everybody so it really
  • 00:41:54
    was the inclusivity piece that I think I
  • 00:41:56
    think underpin the success of the
  • 00:41:57
    conference so yes we had about 990,000
  • 00:42:00
    people who turned up and that may have
  • 00:42:01
    been a record but it's what those
  • 00:42:02
    990,000 people
  • 00:42:04
    represented yes we had heads of state
  • 00:42:06
    and ministers that you would expect to
  • 00:42:08
    see at a cop conference but we also had
  • 00:42:10
    record number of businesses of Business
  • 00:42:13
    Leaders of philanthropists of Youth of
  • 00:42:16
    Civil Society
  • 00:42:18
    representatives of climate activists of
  • 00:42:21
    indigenous peoples and I think it was
  • 00:42:24
    the combination of all these
  • 00:42:26
    stakeholders coming together again that
  • 00:42:28
    ex inclusivity piece that helped Bridge
  • 00:42:31
    some of the trust divides that were
  • 00:42:33
    growing across sectors but also across
  • 00:42:35
    regions of the world so I think going
  • 00:42:38
    forward in order to create and generate
  • 00:42:40
    that multiplier effect to take us from
  • 00:42:42
    the billions that we have to the
  • 00:42:44
    trillions that we need we really need to
  • 00:42:46
    continue to embrace the inclusivity that
  • 00:42:49
    cop 28 put forward and I'm confident in
  • 00:42:52
    discussing and talking to uh the cop 29
  • 00:42:55
    presidency and of course the cup 30
  • 00:42:57
    presidency in Brazil that this is
  • 00:42:58
    exactly what we're going to continue to
  • 00:42:59
    do so I'm very optimistic that by
  • 00:43:02
    bringing these parties together
  • 00:43:04
    including philanthropic Capital we can
  • 00:43:06
    help to see and scale impact and also
  • 00:43:09
    availability of climate and nature
  • 00:43:11
    Finance thank you very much B we're
  • 00:43:13
    short running out of time but let me get
  • 00:43:15
    through as much more as we can Ray
  • 00:43:17
    briefly uh my colleague Rob kand at the
  • 00:43:20
    New York Times just wrote a Illuminating
  • 00:43:23
    book about you and Bridgewater called
  • 00:43:24
    the fund in it he makes clear just how
  • 00:43:27
    focused Bridgewater is on delivering
  • 00:43:30
    returns to investors and you have over
  • 00:43:32
    and over again said that all of this
  • 00:43:34
    work that we're talking about needs to
  • 00:43:36
    be profitable that we that business is
  • 00:43:39
    not going to suddenly turn into a
  • 00:43:41
    charity just because the climate crisis
  • 00:43:43
    in a is upon us how do you think
  • 00:43:46
    about this very Central issue and and
  • 00:43:49
    more specifically is it not the case
  • 00:43:52
    that the crisis is so severe that
  • 00:43:55
    potentially
  • 00:43:56
    businesses investors need to be willing
  • 00:44:00
    to sacrifice some short-term returns in
  • 00:44:03
    the immediate to address what so many in
  • 00:44:05
    this room agree is an existential issue
  • 00:44:08
    first of all let me clarify that that
  • 00:44:10
    book is not an accurate book but I will
  • 00:44:12
    address your question it was more of a
  • 00:44:14
    fantasy than an accurate book
  • 00:44:18
    um I think we have to be
  • 00:44:21
    practical so for example when we go down
  • 00:44:23
    and we think about how much does the
  • 00:44:26
    World Bank have to give
  • 00:44:28
    guarantees and we think about multi um
  • 00:44:33
    Development Bank multinational
  • 00:44:35
    development banks in total have $2
  • 00:44:38
    trillion uh and if you take that amount
  • 00:44:41
    of money and you say why is it that you
  • 00:44:44
    need the guarantees because there's this
  • 00:44:46
    risk of loss and how much loss can those
  • 00:44:50
    actually guarantee without the
  • 00:44:52
    consequences of that that that becomes a
  • 00:44:56
    very limited amount of money relative to
  • 00:44:58
    the challenge and so as we go through
  • 00:45:01
    each one of those cases congratulation
  • 00:45:04
    on the billion dollars but it's not a
  • 00:45:06
    drop in the bucket and so if we're
  • 00:45:08
    really dealing with the
  • 00:45:11
    practicality however we get there moral
  • 00:45:14
    suasion is getting us what we got one
  • 00:45:17
    sixth of the amount of money that's
  • 00:45:19
    needed okay and there and I know it I
  • 00:45:23
    see it the institutional investment
  • 00:45:26
    around the world I know them I've lived
  • 00:45:28
    in that world and I know myself and so I
  • 00:45:32
    know that there is entrepreneurship and
  • 00:45:35
    when I was on this in cop 28 I was
  • 00:45:39
    overwhelmed by entrepreneurs who I want
  • 00:45:41
    to invest in there is a point right now
  • 00:45:45
    that there the amount of money that is
  • 00:45:46
    going in and so if I know that
  • 00:45:50
    institutional money it's only 3% of
  • 00:45:53
    institutional money goes in and they
  • 00:45:54
    want to invest
  • 00:45:57
    so now just as a practical man I think
  • 00:46:00
    okay the power of putting together
  • 00:46:03
    philanthropy which on the one hand is
  • 00:46:06
    willing to lose the money to be able to
  • 00:46:10
    produce a res um a result but what is
  • 00:46:13
    the best impact of that the best impact
  • 00:46:16
    of that I think is to take the risk that
  • 00:46:19
    to
  • 00:46:20
    finance um one form of capital or
  • 00:46:22
    another and to make the capital markets
  • 00:46:25
    effective
  • 00:46:26
    because we're right at that Brink I
  • 00:46:28
    think and it produces Innovation so I
  • 00:46:31
    think as we go back to that particular
  • 00:46:33
    question however we get there we have to
  • 00:46:36
    get there and so all I'm on talking
  • 00:46:38
    about is the practical ways of getting
  • 00:46:40
    there
  • 00:46:42
    yeah I appreciate that mafal I'd love to
  • 00:46:45
    turn to you for a final thought uh we're
  • 00:46:46
    regrettably out of time a as you
  • 00:46:49
    continue this effort to mobilize more
  • 00:46:51
    capital from countries around the globe
  • 00:46:54
    what is your singular message to them
  • 00:46:56
    how how do you articulate the urgency of
  • 00:46:58
    the case and how the capital stack lines
  • 00:47:01
    up in a way that allows more people to
  • 00:47:05
    crowd in I I go back to my question you
  • 00:47:08
    know we have demonstrated so I I don't
  • 00:47:10
    think we are in disagreement here and
  • 00:47:12
    with what Reay is saying we have
  • 00:47:15
    demonstrated that the type of capital
  • 00:47:17
    that philanthropic would bring which has
  • 00:47:20
    been very minimum for climate as we have
  • 00:47:22
    heard that type of capital has been
  • 00:47:24
    public capital public Capital by
  • 00:47:27
    developed countries has been put to that
  • 00:47:29
    effect in funds like the green climate
  • 00:47:32
    fund and other avenues and it's
  • 00:47:34
    basically taking risks or guaranteeing a
  • 00:47:38
    certain level of returns and and we know
  • 00:47:42
    that there are interested as Ray said as
  • 00:47:45
    well institutional capital is interested
  • 00:47:48
    uh in investing more um as long as they
  • 00:47:52
    can that there could be some
  • 00:47:54
    reassurances of some level of return and
  • 00:47:57
    I've even spoken to some and they have
  • 00:47:59
    said that they are willing to to not go
  • 00:48:02
    into double digits for emerging markets
  • 00:48:03
    or developing countries but you know
  • 00:48:05
    returns in the single digit uh as long
  • 00:48:08
    as there are certain guarantee of that
  • 00:48:11
    return so so we just basically need to
  • 00:48:14
    mobilize uh and I was saying in the in
  • 00:48:17
    an event the other day normally our
  • 00:48:19
    experience has been that type of capital
  • 00:48:21
    has been 10% of the total investment so
  • 00:48:24
    if we can mobilize more of the Phil
  • 00:48:25
    Tropic with our own capital and and
  • 00:48:28
    unlock through Vehicles New funds new
  • 00:48:31
    structures new financing structures I
  • 00:48:33
    think we can really bring this to a new
  • 00:48:35
    scale yeah thank you well I have many
  • 00:48:38
    more questions for all of our panelists
  • 00:48:39
    but we are truly out of time the red
  • 00:48:41
    light is flashing my only hope if I
  • 00:48:43
    leave you with one thought is to just to
  • 00:48:44
    build on something Ray said let not a
  • 00:48:47
    tragedy of practicality impede us from
  • 00:48:50
    doing this critical work thank you all
  • 00:48:52
    thank
  • 00:48:54
    you
  • 00:48:56
    [Applause]
  • 00:49:15
    your
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