Why You Can't Get Them Out Of Your Head (Limerence)

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TLDRThe video provides an in-depth analysis of limerance, detailing its characteristics and effects. Defined as an intense, involuntary infatuation, it often stems from childhood experiences of parental neglect or inconsistency. The speaker, a psychiatrist, emphasizes the complexities surrounding the diagnosis of limerance given the lack of empirical data. By referencing Dorothy Tennov's early works, he outlines the emotional turmoil and psychological instability associated with limerance, highlighting that it can arise unexpectedly, even within healthy relationships. Strategies for addressing limerance include understanding emotional triggers, cognitive evaluation of beliefs, and therapeutic interventions. The video underscores the importance of acceptance in mitigating limerance, suggesting that recognizing it as a product of emotional unmet needs can aid in overcoming the condition.

Punti di forza

  • ๐Ÿง  Limerance is an overwhelming infatuation often linked to childhood experiences.
  • ๐Ÿ’” It can cause emotional instability and affect one's identity and daily life.
  • ๐Ÿ“š Limerance is not officially diagnosable, making it hard to research.
  • ๐Ÿ’ญ Symptoms include intrusive thoughts and a dependency on the limerent object's reactions.
  • ๐Ÿ’ก Strategies for resolution include therapy and cognitive evaluations.
  • ๐Ÿค” Acceptance of limerance can help reduce its emotional toll.
  • ๐ŸŒฑ Understanding unmet emotional needs can aid in healing from limerance.
  • ๐ŸŽข Limerance can occur unexpectedly, even in healthy relationships.
  • ๐Ÿ“ˆ Episodes can last from 1 to 7 years, often fueled by idealization.
  • โœจ Acceptance of the condition can empower individuals to cope and dissolve its power over them.

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    As children, we develop expectations about the world based on interactions with our parents and others. When someone displays perfect characteristics, it leads to the idealization of that person and creates an overwhelming feeling of 'limerance,' a debilitating form of infatuation that disrupts one's sense of identity. Limerance can be confusing, as people often do not understand what it is or how to cope with it.

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    Limerance is characterized by obsessive thoughts about a person, a yearning for reciprocal feelings, and an emotional dependency on their responses. Small gestures from the 'limerent object' can disproportionately influence our mood, leading to feelings of elation or despair based on their actions or inactions. The neurological impact involves stress responses and fantasies about interactions with this person, which complicate emotional stability.

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    One significant concept from Dorothy Tennov's book on limerance is the evolution of obsession over timeโ€”from initial infatuation to increased fixation based on perceived reciprocation, which tends to distort reality. The excitement is often accompanied by volatility, as the feeling of being 'in love' can swing from emotional highs to lows, creating a roller-coaster experience tied intimately to the liant object.

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    The emotional dependency associated with limerance can cause alterations to a personโ€™s motivational hierarchy. This means that their focus shifts significantly towards the limerent object, often at the expense of relationships and obligations in daily life, creating a sense of disintegration in the self, as multiple layers of identity and priorities become tangled.

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    Limerance can disrupt personal life significantly. Though one might have a steady romantic relationship or a fulfilling career, limerance can make them hyper-focus on a minor connection with a different person. This can lead to obsessive behaviors where individuals strive for attention and validation from the limerent object, drawing them into a state of longing unrelated to their normal lives.

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    The characteristics of limerance include intrusive thoughts, mood dependencies based on the other person's response, anticipatory fantasies of connection, and heightened sensitivity to the 'limerent object's actions or inactions. The context often defines how such emotions develop and become complicated. People might remain oblivious to this mental and emotional turmoil, not realizing its effects on their judgment and well-being.

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    Many researchers suggest that factors like attachment theory can provide insights into limerance, indicating that anxiously attached individuals may be more prone to such obsessive behavior. The conundrum lies in why some face limerance while others do not, suggesting that genetic predispositions alongside emotional neglect could lead to a greater risk of experiencing limerance.

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    The integration of multiple psychological theories highlights that limerance could stem from childhood experiences where initial attachments were inconsistent, prompting a search for idealized relationships in adulthood. The blending of anxious attachment styles with high levels of intrigue or desire for validation from a 'perfect' individual can lead to the condition, which can persist for years, often misinterpreted.

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    As limerance develops, patterns emerge about how individuals react and cope. The initial phases are characterized by idealization where the feelings are positive and unattached, while progression into deeper stages turns this admiration into an obsession that feels impossible to shake off. Often, setbacks unexpectedly deepen the attraction rather than diminish it, leading to a frustrating cycle.

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    To mitigate limerance, individuals can explore cognitive behavioral approaches, which encourage them to understand their unmet emotional needs and develop a reality-based perspective. This perspective recognizes the separation of fantasies from achievable realities, enhancing emotional stability and self-awareness.

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    Finally, acceptance is crucial in mitigating the impacts of limerance. Recognizing that these feelings are largely based in fantasy can help dissolve the compulsive nature of the attachment. Embracing a logical approach to the experiences, coupled with emotional healing from the patterns originating in childhood, is essential in overcoming limerance.

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Video Domande e Risposte

  • What is limerance?

    Limerance is an overwhelming, obsessive infatuation with someone characterized by intrusive thoughts and strong desire for reciprocation.

  • What causes limerance?

    Limerance is influenced by childhood experiences, especially inconsistent emotional availability from caregivers, and it may be linked to genetic predispositions associated with OCD.

  • How long can limerance last?

    Episodes of limerance can persist for 1 to 7 years.

  • Is limerance a diagnosable condition?

    No, limerance is not officially recognized as a diagnosable condition, making it hard to gather empirical data on it.

  • Can limerance occur in healthy relationships?

    Yes, limerance can occur even when someone is in a healthy romantic relationship.

  • What are the symptoms of limerance?

    Symptoms include intrusive thoughts, dependency on the limerent object's reactions, idealization of the person, and emotional volatility.

  • How can limerance be resolved?

    Resolution can involve therapy focusing on understanding unmet emotional needs, cognitive re-evaluation of feelings, and developing healthier attachment patterns.

  • Are there emotional or physiological responses associated with limerance?

    Yes, limerance often triggers emotional distress, anxiety, and physical symptoms such as nausea and shallow breathing.

  • What role does attachment theory play in limerance?

    Attachment theory suggests that individuals with anxious attachment styles are more prone to limerance due to unmet emotional needs during childhood.

  • Can acceptance of limerance help mitigate its effects?

    Yes, acceptance of limerance as a challenge can help diminish its emotional impact and make it easier to cope.

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    so when we're a child we learn about the
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    world we start to form
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    expectations about the world and so if
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    I'm living in an environment where my
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    parents are intermittently available to
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    love me and then this magical person
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    shows up I have a brief interaction so I
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    don't get to know them long enough to
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    where the idealization can wear off I
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    have this perfect interaction what does
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    my brain learn my brain gravitates
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    towards the things that fulfill my needs
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    so in this moment my brain learns holy
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    crap there are perfect people who exist
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    out there and this person can swoop in
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    and this person can make everything
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    perfect for me and they can exist so
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    limerance is the feeling of being in
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    love but in in a way that is so
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    overwhelming debilitating and unexpected
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    that it usually leaves you pretty messed
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    up you can kind of think about it is
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    like crushing so hard that it it kind of
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    messes up your life messes up your sense
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    of identity if yall don't know what
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    limerance is congratulations you really
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    dodged a bullet and for those of you
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    that have been struggling with limerance
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    hopefully today's video will help yall
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    understand what it is where it comes
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    from what the course of it is so what to
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    expect over time as well as potentially
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    how to resolve it so this has been a
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    hard video for me to make so I'm a a
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    psychiatrist by training and I trained
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    at Harvard Medical School and one of the
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    key things that they taught us there is
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    that you know you shouldn't like open
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    your mouth unless you have data to back
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    it up and this is one of the biggest
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    challenges with limerance because first
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    of all it's not like a diagnosable
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    condition most people don't even know
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    what it is but the the experience of it
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    is definitely on the rise that's why
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    we're kind of making this video and
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    there isn't a whole lot of data about it
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    right so people won't do studies on
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    limerance there aren't rcts so it's
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    really hard to sort of synthesize
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    information and be able to confidently
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    say this is what limerance is this is
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    what causes it so I've been working on
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    this video for about 2 years and I find
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    finally feel confident enough to share
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    something with you so what we're going
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    to start with I think this is the best
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    place to start is in 1975 there was a
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    woman named Dorothy tennov who wrote a
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    book about limerance and I think the
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    opening lines of the book are so
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    phenomenal it's like poetry y'all that I
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    think the best way to describe what
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    limerance is is by just reading this off
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    to y'all so you think I want you I want
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    you forever now yesterday and always
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    Above All I Want You to want me no
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    matter where I am or what I am doing I'm
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    not safe from your spell at any moment
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    the image of your face smiling at me of
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    your voice telling me you care of your
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    hand in my mine may suddenly fill my
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    Consciousness rudely pushing out all
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    else the expression thinking of you
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    fails to convey either the quality or
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    quantity of this unwilled mental
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    activity obsessed comes closer but
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    leaves out the a aing a child is
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    obsessed on Christmas Eve but it's a
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    happy prepossession full of excitement
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    curiosity and expectation this
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    prepossession is an emotional roller
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    coaster that carries me from the peak of
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    ecstasy to the depths of Despair and
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    back again so this is what limerance is
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    it is this sudden onset invasion of your
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    mind buy something so there's another
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    great paper that sort of describes this
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    as a limmer beast so it's sort of like
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    limerance is something that invades you
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    I I almost think about it like a
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    werewolf where like you know you're a
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    normal human most of the time except
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    when the limerance becomes active and
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    once you get invaded by the limmer Beast
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    you kind of transform into this weirwolf
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    where in your mind you have all of these
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    obsessional thoughts you're thinking
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    about this person constantly it's not
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    even necessarily sexual in nature which
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    is a a feature of limerance but you're
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    you're fantasizing about this person
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    fantasizing about this person sort of
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    being kind to you this person
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    reciprocating these feelings that you
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    have it's such an intense and
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    overwhelming sense of like an
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    obsessional love and limerance is
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    something that is incredibly
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    destabilizing for people so the the
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    weird thing about limerance is that it
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    can strike people who are in healthy
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    romantic relationships so there are
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    people who are married who will like
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    suddenly wake up one day usually has a
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    small interaction with someone else and
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    and then like they'll their mind will
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    just be invaded by thoughts of these
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    people they're thinking about them all
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    the time thinking about like you know
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    does this person notice me do they like
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    me will they give me there's this weird
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    ache that you have that you believe that
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    only this other person can fulfill hey
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    all' if you want more info on limerance
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    check out our limerance specific page
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    this is a new thing that we're doing
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    that has a ton of information on
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    limerance links to additional videos and
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    some info on our coaching program if
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    that's interesting to you the link is in
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    the description below and now back to
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    the video so what are the features of
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    this limmer Beast I think once again
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    what we need to do is go straight back
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    to ten of's book because I think she
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    does the best job of describing this
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    limerance has certain basic components
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    intrusive thinking about the object of
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    your desire the liant object or Loo Who
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    is a possible sexual partner but not
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    always sexual acute longing for
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    reciprocation this is huge so you want
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    the person to like you have all these
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    feelings and when you want more than
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    anything else is their approval and
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    their reciprocation
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    a dependency of mood on the L's actions
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    or more accurately your interpretation
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    of the L's actions with the respect with
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    respect to the probability of
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    reciprocation this is something we have
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    to explain in a little bit more detail
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    so people who are liant usually have
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    like their mood depends on the limerent
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    object the person that you're obsessive
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    about your mood depends entirely on how
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    they react to you so you'll make maybe
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    small overtures for their attention and
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    if they respond in a positive way first
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    of all you read so much into it so this
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    person touched you lightly on the
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    shoulder and then you're like oh my God
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    this means that they notice me and you
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    feel amazing there's this feeling of
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    ecstasy this feeling of Walking on Air
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    it's been described in ten of's book as
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    buoyancy when the liant object responds
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    to you in some positive way you feel
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    buoyant you feel amazing and when they
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    don't respond in a positive way or they
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    respond in a new neutal way you're left
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    with this incredible sense of achiness
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    like aching deep inside you so your life
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    becomes kind of Tethered to your
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    perception of their responses and it
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    feels like an incredible roller coaster
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    so another big feature of this is some
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    fleeting and transient relief from
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    unrequited limerent passion through
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    vivid imagination of action by the L
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    that means reciprocation the other thing
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    that happens is not only you hyp
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    sensitive to what they do what they say
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    and over interpret their actions but
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    when you are aching inside there is
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    often times a fantasy life that you will
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    construct you will fantasize about this
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    person touching your arm or this person
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    doing this or texting you back or
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    finally noticing the way that you feel
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    about them reciprocating your love
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    saying oh I've been longing for you as
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    well so there's a a big component of
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    limerance is actually like the amount of
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    time you spend in your head fantasizing
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    ing usually about small things sometimes
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    they can be things like sexual fantasies
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    and what that means to you so another
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    big feature of limerance is that there
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    are small actions that have big
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    implications in your head another
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    feature is a fear of rejection in
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    sometimes incapacitating but always
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    unsettling shyness in the ELO's presence
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    especially in the beginning and whenever
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    uncertainty strikes there's also an
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    intensification of the feeling through
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    adversity so this can them not
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    responding to you or when challenges
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    arise in your life that are not related
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    to the liant object often times the
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    lians can intensify there is an acute
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    sensitivity to any act or thought or
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    condition that can be interpreted
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    favorably and an extraordinary ability
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    to devise or invent reasonable
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    explanations for why the neutrality that
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    the disinterested Observer might see is
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    a is in fact a sign of hidden passion in
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    the liant object so the first is that
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    there is a hypers sensitivity to small
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    signals from the liant object so that
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    touch on the arm we kind of talked about
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    the other thing that tends to happen is
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    that in your mind you will notice a lot
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    of mental gymnastics to interpret all
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    kinds of things so if they don't respond
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    to you and the weird thing about Limer
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    and objects is that often times they
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    don't you don't like necessarily know
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    them well it can kind of strike like you
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    can meet someone on the street and they
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    can say hey how are you and then
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    suddenly you get invaded by the limmer
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    Beast so it is very rare that liant
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    objects are I don't know if I should say
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    very rare but you know it's it's
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    unusually common I should say that
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    limerent objects are not people that you
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    have very close relationships with
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    sometimes you can develop limerance for
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    someone like a cooworker someone that
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    you do interact with but the whole point
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    is that you are like your experience of
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    interactions with them carries a lot
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    more meaning than what is externally
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    observable so even if they don't text
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    you back or they say Hi how are you or
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    they don't say hi to you one morning
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    your mind will be super focused on these
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    small signals in interpreting those
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    small signals an aching of the heart
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    like literally this is like a physical
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    Sensation that people will have
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    especially when uncertainty is strong
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    okay uh a a feeling of buoyancy a
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    feeling of Walking on Air when
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    reciprocation seems evident another key
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    feature of limerance is the roller
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    coaster nature of it there's a there's
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    the the primary emotional experience of
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    the people that that I've kind of worked
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    with who are liant are is uncertainty
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    they're obsessing over does this person
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    Notice Me does this person not notied me
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    have they stopped noticing me are they
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    going to notice me more tomorrow they
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    they're very very uncertain and anxious
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    in relation to that person and like we
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    said they're kind of hyperfocused maybe
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    all are hyperfocused on small things
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    that the person does or doesn't do which
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    creates a lot of anxiety and then also
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    when there is some form of reciprocation
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    you read a lot into it and then you feel
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    absolutely amazing so it's this kind of
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    ping ponging between intense uncertainty
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    does this person notice you is it
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    possible that they reciprocate and small
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    gestures that usually have you know
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    tectonic effects on your internal being
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    and when you feel uncertain Things
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    become very very painful there's that
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    achiness in your heart Etc so the other
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    thing that's really important about
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    limerance is that there is a general
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    intensity of feeling that leaves other
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    concerns in in the background um and so
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    this we got to talk about too so that
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    there are other studies that kind of
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    talk about this in a different way so
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    limerance also does something called
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    alter the motivational hierarchy of your
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    life and this is why I think that the
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    the limmer Beast is such a good um
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    description of it so if we think about
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    like a normal human life right we have
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    like all kinds of things that we're
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    motivated towards like so I want to do
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    well in my job I want to do well in my
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    romantic relationship I want to take
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    care of my body I want to have fun and
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    so we have this like motivational
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    hierarchy and the whole problem with
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    limerance is that you have like a life
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    that you are living which is even like a
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    somewhat arguably normal and complete
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    life and the limmer Beast comes in and
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    Alters your motivational hierarchy you
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    stop caring about the things that you
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    used to care about including romantic
  • 00:12:02
    relationships spouses Etc like it's wild
  • 00:12:05
    you stop caring about your career as
  • 00:12:07
    much and when we talk about stop caring
  • 00:12:10
    you know if I stop and ask you when the
  • 00:12:11
    Liber Beast is not active you start
  • 00:12:14
    caring about those things again but
  • 00:12:16
    there's just something about the amount
  • 00:12:19
    of time that your mind spends thinking
  • 00:12:22
    about this person craving this person's
  • 00:12:26
    reciprocation craving this person's
  • 00:12:28
    attention fantasizing about it internal
  • 00:12:31
    the amount of copium that you're huffing
  • 00:12:34
    when they don't give it to you so it
  • 00:12:35
    really disrupts your motivational
  • 00:12:38
    hierarchy and then a lot of your
  • 00:12:40
    thoughts and actions become related to
  • 00:12:43
    the limerent object and then the last
  • 00:12:45
    feature that tennov describes is a
  • 00:12:47
    remarkable ability to emphasize what is
  • 00:12:49
    truly admirable in the Limer an object
  • 00:12:52
    and to avoid dwelling on the negative
  • 00:12:54
    even to respond with a compassion for
  • 00:12:56
    the negative and render it emotionally
  • 00:12:58
    if not perceptually into another
  • 00:13:00
    positive attribute so this is why I love
  • 00:13:03
    ten of's work so when you have a liant
  • 00:13:05
    object you idealize them a lot and you
  • 00:13:08
    take the parts of them that could be
  • 00:13:11
    demonized and you manage to idealize
  • 00:13:14
    them too you turn their flaws into
  • 00:13:17
    Perfections in your mind so this is some
  • 00:13:20
    weird once again kind of mental
  • 00:13:22
    gymnastics and we'll get into why your
  • 00:13:24
    mind does this in a in a little bit but
  • 00:13:26
    this is another feature that is very
  • 00:13:28
    common with Limer which is that you kind
  • 00:13:30
    of see like all these amaz oh this
  • 00:13:31
    person's great they're compassionate
  • 00:13:33
    they're caring they're so wonderful and
  • 00:13:36
    oh yeah the reason they're such an
  • 00:13:37
    to the people at work is because
  • 00:13:40
    they're just so intensely brilliant
  • 00:13:42
    their mind can't hold the space for
  • 00:13:46
    normal human interactions which is why
  • 00:13:48
    they don't say hi to me every morning
  • 00:13:49
    even though I say hi to them in those
  • 00:13:51
    few moments that they do say hi feel so
  • 00:13:53
    amazing for me so limerance has this
  • 00:13:56
    deep obsessional quality where your mind
  • 00:13:59
    I don't know how how else to say this
  • 00:14:01
    but like I'm hoping yall are
  • 00:14:02
    understanding that it's really mental
  • 00:14:04
    right so it's not entirely based in
  • 00:14:06
    reality but there's an obsessional
  • 00:14:08
    intrusive quality to it that dominates
  • 00:14:10
    your thinking performs mental gymnastics
  • 00:14:13
    causes you to to really be longing for
  • 00:14:16
    them and then how you feel on a
  • 00:14:18
    particular day depends on how they
  • 00:14:20
    respond to you as one person put it
  • 00:14:22
    their liant object is their hobby their
  • 00:14:25
    passion and their Obsession and often
  • 00:14:27
    times limerance leads to a
  • 00:14:29
    disintegration of your identity and if
  • 00:14:32
    we sort of understand like if we kind of
  • 00:14:34
    integrate what we know about the
  • 00:14:35
    features of limerance with sort of like
  • 00:14:37
    thinking how it really affects their
  • 00:14:38
    lives this will make a lot of sense so
  • 00:14:41
    here you are living your normal life
  • 00:14:43
    right you're going about your
  • 00:14:46
    day you have to test to study for and
  • 00:14:49
    then there's a substitute Professor
  • 00:14:50
    who's filling in one day for your
  • 00:14:52
    professor and something in you clicks
  • 00:14:56
    and this person is so amazing they're so
  • 00:14:57
    much better than your professor they
  • 00:14:59
    looked at you and then they nodded at
  • 00:15:01
    you when you came in and you sat down in
  • 00:15:03
    the class and now you're thinking about
  • 00:15:05
    them all the time an episode of
  • 00:15:06
    limerance can last there are studies
  • 00:15:08
    that show that it lasts somewhere
  • 00:15:09
    between 1 and seven years okay so once
  • 00:15:13
    you start thinking about this person
  • 00:15:14
    they are dominating your thoughts
  • 00:15:17
    potentially for years at a time and now
  • 00:15:20
    I I want youall to really appreciate
  • 00:15:21
    this that it's hard to build a life
  • 00:15:23
    around them right so these aren't
  • 00:15:25
    necessarily real interactions there're
  • 00:15:27
    interactions that are real but then your
  • 00:15:28
    your mind amplifies them so you have
  • 00:15:30
    your normal life over here where you're
  • 00:15:33
    a student maybe married maybe have kids
  • 00:15:34
    like super wild and then for maybe
  • 00:15:37
    minutes or hours of the day there is
  • 00:15:40
    this intrusive limmer Beast that comes
  • 00:15:42
    in and dominates your thinking so now
  • 00:15:45
    this becomes really really confusing to
  • 00:15:47
    live through because you have all of
  • 00:15:50
    this stuff over here you have a normal
  • 00:15:52
    life but then you transform into this
  • 00:15:55
    other thing for periods of time and then
  • 00:15:59
    when you're like one person over here
  • 00:16:01
    who's building a normal life and then
  • 00:16:02
    like another person over here who's
  • 00:16:05
    obsessively thinking about the limerent
  • 00:16:07
    object it's really hard to get a sense
  • 00:16:11
    of like an integrated life so very
  • 00:16:14
    common feature is that people feel
  • 00:16:16
    really really like a sense of
  • 00:16:17
    disintegration like I disintegration
  • 00:16:20
    like I'm over here and I'm doing one
  • 00:16:21
    thing and I'm over here and I'm doing
  • 00:16:23
    another thing so these are the core
  • 00:16:24
    features and it kind of begs the
  • 00:16:26
    question like how the hell does this
  • 00:16:28
    happen to people people right what is
  • 00:16:29
    going on in them that they sort of end
  • 00:16:32
    up with these up to seveny yearlong
  • 00:16:34
    obsessions over small interactions and
  • 00:16:37
    where they're very very paranoid about
  • 00:16:39
    reciprocation and they long for
  • 00:16:41
    reciprocation to be noticed Etc right so
  • 00:16:44
    why does this happen so this is where
  • 00:16:46
    this is why it's actually taken me a
  • 00:16:47
    couple of years because the majority of
  • 00:16:50
    the you know stuff out there I've seen
  • 00:16:52
    tends to focus heavily on attachment
  • 00:16:54
    Theory so people will say basically
  • 00:16:57
    limerance is a consequence
  • 00:16:59
    of a a particular attachment style that
  • 00:17:02
    never really sat right with me for a
  • 00:17:04
    couple reasons so you know people will
  • 00:17:06
    say Okay the reason you develop
  • 00:17:07
    limerance is because you have an anxious
  • 00:17:09
    attachment or something like that so
  • 00:17:11
    that may be true that limerance has been
  • 00:17:13
    associated with an anxious attachment
  • 00:17:14
    but let's understand the statistics okay
  • 00:17:17
    so 50% of people have secure attachment
  • 00:17:19
    25% of people have anxious attachment
  • 00:17:22
    which means the way that they relate to
  • 00:17:24
    other people we have a whole section on
  • 00:17:26
    attachment Theory and stuff so you can
  • 00:17:27
    check that out if y'all want but
  • 00:17:29
    basically they're they're very very
  • 00:17:30
    concerned about uh abandonment they're
  • 00:17:33
    concerned about that this person doesn't
  • 00:17:34
    care for them they're they feel very
  • 00:17:37
    very paranoid they don't feel secure in
  • 00:17:38
    the relationship so they engage in a lot
  • 00:17:41
    of behaviors to pull this person in so
  • 00:17:44
    people with an anxious attachment style
  • 00:17:46
    will utilize sexual activity as a form
  • 00:17:50
    as a way to create intimacy so they'll
  • 00:17:53
    they'll do things that sort of I'm
  • 00:17:54
    afraid that you're not going to notice
  • 00:17:56
    me or that you'll replace me with
  • 00:17:57
    someone else or that I'm not worthy of
  • 00:17:59
    your love so I'll do everything from cry
  • 00:18:01
    to be passive aggressive to seduce you
  • 00:18:04
    just so I I know that you're not going
  • 00:18:06
    to leave like please don't leave so
  • 00:18:08
    people with an anxious attachment style
  • 00:18:10
    oftentimes did not have attentive enough
  • 00:18:13
    caregivers or their caregiving was
  • 00:18:16
    highly intermittent so I'm not I can't
  • 00:18:19
    count on you to always be there but if I
  • 00:18:21
    express myself in the right way if I
  • 00:18:23
    start to cry a lot then I can evoke
  • 00:18:27
    caring behavior from you so this is a
  • 00:18:29
    child who can't feel confident that
  • 00:18:32
    their parents will notice them love them
  • 00:18:35
    unless the child does a lot of stuff to
  • 00:18:38
    sort of get their attention and and that
  • 00:18:40
    that's how I sort of feel secure I have
  • 00:18:42
    to do something to feel loved that's
  • 00:18:44
    sort of the key feature of an anxious
  • 00:18:46
    attachment now 25% of people on the
  • 00:18:48
    planet are anxiously attached but 25% of
  • 00:18:51
    people are not liant right so even
  • 00:18:54
    though anxious attachment is a component
  • 00:18:56
    of it it is it is not sufficient to
  • 00:18:59
    explain out of the one out of every four
  • 00:19:01
    people that are anxiously attached those
  • 00:19:04
    this 1 to 5% of people who are very very
  • 00:19:06
    unlucky and to experience limerance
  • 00:19:09
    there's a big gap between those two
  • 00:19:10
    things 20% of people have an avoidant
  • 00:19:12
    attachment style that may have some
  • 00:19:14
    relation to limerance but probably not
  • 00:19:16
    right so attachment theory in the way
  • 00:19:18
    that you raised is certainly a part of
  • 00:19:20
    it this is where I sort of put on my
  • 00:19:22
    like you know this is just the way that
  • 00:19:23
    I was trained so I you know at Harvard I
  • 00:19:25
    was part of a the people that I
  • 00:19:27
    gravitated toward towards were what I
  • 00:19:29
    would call the Neuroscience philosophers
  • 00:19:31
    so they're really really philosophical a
  • 00:19:33
    couple Generations um uh before my time
  • 00:19:36
    the chief of Psychiatry at Mass General
  • 00:19:38
    was a Catholic priest so like these
  • 00:19:40
    people like you know there's a big
  • 00:19:41
    Tradition at the program that I trained
  • 00:19:43
    at about being like really like
  • 00:19:44
    philosophical and thinking about like
  • 00:19:46
    why does illness happen and then also
  • 00:19:49
    these people are neuroscientists so they
  • 00:19:51
    sort of approach it from a couple of
  • 00:19:52
    different angles and I think attachment
  • 00:19:54
    theory is a great way to start but I
  • 00:19:56
    sort of lean heavily into sort of this
  • 00:19:58
    Neuroscience approach and if we look at
  • 00:20:01
    limerance there are some features of it
  • 00:20:03
    that are basically very similar to OCD
  • 00:20:06
    so if we look at OCD OCD is obsessive
  • 00:20:09
    compulsive disorder and is characterized
  • 00:20:11
    by intrusive thoughts you don't want to
  • 00:20:15
    think these things you don't like to
  • 00:20:17
    think these things and you can't control
  • 00:20:19
    thinking these things we also know that
  • 00:20:22
    OCD is highly inheritable so there's
  • 00:20:26
    like a large genetic compon oent to OCD
  • 00:20:30
    so there's one really interesting
  • 00:20:31
    specific attachment pattern which
  • 00:20:34
    separates limerance from a standard
  • 00:20:37
    anxious attachment so when we think
  • 00:20:39
    about normal anxious attachment we're
  • 00:20:40
    talking about your primary
  • 00:20:43
    caregivers being unavailable to make you
  • 00:20:46
    feel safe and loved part of the time so
  • 00:20:49
    that there's some of the time if you cry
  • 00:20:51
    loud enough they will show up and love
  • 00:20:52
    you so in people with limerance there's
  • 00:20:55
    a really interesting I don't know if
  • 00:20:57
    it's Unique I don't know exactly how
  • 00:20:58
    common it is we don't have a great data
  • 00:20:59
    about this but there's one really
  • 00:21:00
    interesting pattern it's that when your
  • 00:21:03
    primary caregiver was unable to meet
  • 00:21:07
    your emotional needs there is a third
  • 00:21:11
    party who is distantly connected who for
  • 00:21:14
    a brief period of time gives you
  • 00:21:17
    everything that you want right so this
  • 00:21:20
    can be something like oh you know my mom
  • 00:21:22
    and dad I'm going through a breakup
  • 00:21:24
    they're not around or I'm getting
  • 00:21:26
    bullied at school and my a Flo visits
  • 00:21:30
    from a different country and she shows
  • 00:21:33
    up and for one day she takes me out she
  • 00:21:36
    buys me ice cream she listens to my
  • 00:21:38
    problems this third figure who's not
  • 00:21:41
    part of my normal attachment system
  • 00:21:44
    swoops in and provides me with
  • 00:21:47
    everything that I wanted emotionally I'm
  • 00:21:50
    usually a kid I usually idealize this
  • 00:21:53
    person and here's what happens in
  • 00:21:55
    limerance so I want yall to think about
  • 00:21:57
    this okay so when we're a child we learn
  • 00:22:00
    about the world we start to form
  • 00:22:03
    expectations about the world and so if
  • 00:22:05
    I'm living in an environment where my
  • 00:22:07
    parents are intermittently available to
  • 00:22:09
    love me and then this magical person
  • 00:22:12
    shows up I have a brief interaction so I
  • 00:22:14
    don't get to know them long enough to
  • 00:22:17
    where the idealization can wear off I
  • 00:22:20
    have this perfect interaction what does
  • 00:22:22
    my brain learn my brain gravitates
  • 00:22:24
    towards the things that fulfill my needs
  • 00:22:27
    so in this moment my brain learns holy
  • 00:22:29
    crap there are perfect people who exist
  • 00:22:35
    out there and this person can swoop in
  • 00:22:37
    and this person can make everything
  • 00:22:39
    perfect for me and they can exist so one
  • 00:22:41
    of the things when I'm working with
  • 00:22:42
    people who experience limerance this is
  • 00:22:44
    something I'll actually tunnel down into
  • 00:22:47
    has there been a period of of time in
  • 00:22:48
    your life where you were really
  • 00:22:50
    struggling and we had this kind of flash
  • 00:22:53
    of perfection from another human being
  • 00:22:55
    who made everything okay and then once
  • 00:22:58
    that happens to you I mean maybe it
  • 00:23:00
    happened to you maybe it didn't we don't
  • 00:23:01
    really know um once that happens to you
  • 00:23:04
    it becomes Like Cocaine for your
  • 00:23:06
    anxiously attached little kid inside
  • 00:23:08
    right like this is the perfect thing and
  • 00:23:10
    then your brain thinks oh my God we
  • 00:23:11
    found it once let's start let's try to
  • 00:23:14
    find it again and this is what we tend
  • 00:23:16
    to see with Lance which is so confusing
  • 00:23:18
    about it is that it you know it doesn't
  • 00:23:20
    happen with people that you know well
  • 00:23:22
    like that's the whole problem is that
  • 00:23:23
    you have this whole life over here
  • 00:23:25
    you're maybe happily married and then it
  • 00:23:27
    strikes from another person who
  • 00:23:30
    demonstrates something and I think
  • 00:23:32
    what's going on is in your brain this
  • 00:23:34
    old pattern that was really really
  • 00:23:37
    important and affected your developing
  • 00:23:39
    brain now gets triggered with this liant
  • 00:23:42
    object who is distant and perfect so the
  • 00:23:45
    really interesting thing we'll we'll get
  • 00:23:46
    into this more a little bit later but is
  • 00:23:48
    that as we get close to the Limer object
  • 00:23:51
    sometimes when people experience
  • 00:23:52
    limerance they'll start dating the
  • 00:23:54
    person and as they date them the really
  • 00:23:56
    weird thing will happen they're
  • 00:23:58
    fantasies don't become a reality in fact
  • 00:24:00
    there are all kinds of problems that
  • 00:24:02
    arise and then the most screwed up thing
  • 00:24:04
    is often times their limerance will
  • 00:24:07
    transfer to a different person they'll
  • 00:24:09
    wake up one day and the prior liant
  • 00:24:11
    object has now become a frustratingly
  • 00:24:14
    normal human being in this other person
  • 00:24:17
    the limerance just shifts okay so that's
  • 00:24:21
    and so that's kind of the attachment
  • 00:24:22
    perspective I now want to talk about a
  • 00:24:24
    couple of other features okay so
  • 00:24:26
    attachment isn't really sufficient to
  • 00:24:28
    describe limerance right so anxious
  • 00:24:30
    attachment style ideal swooper let's
  • 00:24:33
    call it that that's just one piece but
  • 00:24:35
    not there a lot of people with anxious
  • 00:24:37
    attachment style who don't have
  • 00:24:39
    limerance so the other feature that
  • 00:24:41
    we're going to talk about is something
  • 00:24:42
    that's really I think something along
  • 00:24:43
    the OCD Spectrum so if we look at
  • 00:24:46
    limerance it's characterized by a lot of
  • 00:24:48
    like I don't know how to say this but
  • 00:24:50
    like the you know the nuts and bolts of
  • 00:24:52
    the mental process of limerance are very
  • 00:24:55
    similar to OCD and then there's another
  • 00:24:57
    feature which is that they're divorced
  • 00:24:59
    from reality right so this is also
  • 00:25:01
    consistent with OCD so if we think about
  • 00:25:03
    someone who is like a germaphobe like
  • 00:25:04
    the amount of fear that the germs evokes
  • 00:25:08
    like sure germs can make you sick but
  • 00:25:10
    the whole point is that your mind does
  • 00:25:12
    way more with a small stimulus than
  • 00:25:16
    let's say a healthy mind would do that's
  • 00:25:18
    the the nature of OCD okay the other
  • 00:25:21
    really interesting thing is that if you
  • 00:25:22
    look at limerance there's a lot of
  • 00:25:24
    ritualization associated with it so
  • 00:25:26
    people will do things
  • 00:25:28
    uh they will engage in certain actions
  • 00:25:31
    to try to like so it's ritualistic
  • 00:25:33
    they'll do certain things to get this
  • 00:25:35
    person's attention they'll dress a
  • 00:25:36
    certain way oh this person talked to me
  • 00:25:38
    on this day because I was wearing red so
  • 00:25:40
    I'm going to start wearing red all the
  • 00:25:42
    time there's a lot of ritualism
  • 00:25:43
    associated with limerance and then the
  • 00:25:45
    last thing is kind of the compulsive
  • 00:25:47
    nature of it so we have to explain what
  • 00:25:49
    a compulsion is okay so a compulsion is
  • 00:25:52
    something that you do in response to an
  • 00:25:55
    obsession and this is what's kind of
  • 00:25:57
    confusing for a lot people a lot of
  • 00:25:59
    people think that the
  • 00:26:00
    compulsion has to be a physical Behavior
  • 00:26:04
    so people will think okay if I don't um
  • 00:26:06
    I'm afraid that the house is going to
  • 00:26:08
    burn down so what I'm going to do is
  • 00:26:09
    turn the stove on and off seven times to
  • 00:26:12
    make sure the house doesn't burn down so
  • 00:26:14
    I have the obsession this intrusive
  • 00:26:16
    unwanted thought that the house is going
  • 00:26:18
    to burn down and I have to do something
  • 00:26:21
    in order to make that Obsession feel
  • 00:26:24
    calm so sometimes that's a physical
  • 00:26:26
    action but there are mental comp
  • 00:26:28
    compulsions as well so a compulsion is
  • 00:26:30
    something that we do to relieve the
  • 00:26:33
    mental stress that we are experiencing
  • 00:26:35
    in the moment so sometimes what people
  • 00:26:37
    will do is I I worked with one patient
  • 00:26:39
    who for example would say in her head
  • 00:26:43
    all of my family will be okay all of my
  • 00:26:45
    family will be home safe I will see all
  • 00:26:47
    of my family tomorrow anytime one of her
  • 00:26:51
    family members was traveling playing
  • 00:26:53
    going back from work going to the
  • 00:26:55
    grocery store if she became aware of it
  • 00:26:58
    she would have to repeat those phrases
  • 00:27:01
    in her head three times in a row and it
  • 00:27:04
    was really really debilitating because
  • 00:27:06
    like her mom is like hey do you want
  • 00:27:07
    anything from the grocery store and then
  • 00:27:08
    she has to stop studying and start going
  • 00:27:11
    through the litany in her head so what
  • 00:27:13
    do we see in in limerance we don't quite
  • 00:27:16
    see that kind of compulsion but we do
  • 00:27:18
    see a lot of mental reactions or mental
  • 00:27:22
    responses to different kinds of stimuli
  • 00:27:25
    or triggers I I don't think that
  • 00:27:27
    necessarily these people have have OCD
  • 00:27:29
    so this is where we also have to kind of
  • 00:27:30
    understand something else about science
  • 00:27:32
    so generally speaking human beings in
  • 00:27:34
    terms of let's say let's say this is
  • 00:27:36
    intrusive thoughts you know everyone has
  • 00:27:38
    some unwanted thoughts but if we look at
  • 00:27:40
    human beings there's a bell curve the
  • 00:27:42
    people over here have very few unwant
  • 00:27:45
    intrusive thoughts the people here have
  • 00:27:47
    an average amount of intrusive thoughts
  • 00:27:50
    the people over here have a more uh more
  • 00:27:54
    than average or let's say greater
  • 00:27:56
    greater amount of intrusive thoughts and
  • 00:27:58
    people over here this group of people
  • 00:28:01
    qualifies as OCD okay so I think
  • 00:28:03
    basically what's going on with limerance
  • 00:28:05
    is we have people who are over here so
  • 00:28:07
    they have a genetic predisposition for
  • 00:28:11
    something like OCD so they tend to have
  • 00:28:13
    a more obsessional or intrusive thinking
  • 00:28:15
    style but it's not so severe that there
  • 00:28:19
    is OCD instead what happens is we have
  • 00:28:22
    these genetic predis genetically
  • 00:28:24
    predisposed people to OCD who then have
  • 00:28:29
    some kind of attachment injury so they
  • 00:28:31
    when you take a kid who may won't have
  • 00:28:34
    OCD so if if they were more intrusive if
  • 00:28:37
    they had stronger genetics maybe they
  • 00:28:38
    would develop OCD but you take a kid who
  • 00:28:41
    doesn't have OCD but is high on that
  • 00:28:43
    spectrum and then you put them in an
  • 00:28:45
    anxious attachment environment and those
  • 00:28:48
    two things combine and limerance sort of
  • 00:28:51
    emerges out of it then there are a
  • 00:28:53
    couple of other features that I think
  • 00:28:54
    sort of combin to make this pie
  • 00:28:58
    limerance like this limerance stew it's
  • 00:29:00
    not just OCD and anxious attachment
  • 00:29:02
    there's more to it okay the next thing
  • 00:29:04
    is a tendency for Fantasy as a coping
  • 00:29:07
    mechanism so for example if you look at
  • 00:29:09
    studies on like maladaptive daydreaming
  • 00:29:13
    right so this is when people Daydream so
  • 00:29:16
    much that they have difficulty
  • 00:29:18
    functioning in life right sound familiar
  • 00:29:21
    so we know that maladaptive daydreaming
  • 00:29:23
    may be some feature is somewhat related
  • 00:29:26
    to ADHD so your brain or your mind is
  • 00:29:28
    not brain mind is not capable of
  • 00:29:32
    restraining your attention away from the
  • 00:29:34
    Daydream and focusing on what you should
  • 00:29:37
    be focusing on you get caught up in the
  • 00:29:39
    daydreaming the reason that we so
  • 00:29:41
    there's the attentional component right
  • 00:29:42
    and then you get lost in the Daydream
  • 00:29:44
    for a while the other reason that ADHD
  • 00:29:47
    may be related to maladaptive
  • 00:29:49
    daydreaming is that we know that
  • 00:29:50
    maladaptive daydreaming is an emotional
  • 00:29:52
    coping mechanism so when I am and I'm
  • 00:29:55
    sure youall have experienced something
  • 00:29:56
    like this so in my case I used to be be
  • 00:29:58
    bullied a lot in school and so I would
  • 00:30:00
    have fantasies about standing up to my
  • 00:30:02
    bully and then being able to fight them
  • 00:30:05
    back and becoming a martial artist and
  • 00:30:06
    this kind of stuff so we know that there
  • 00:30:08
    is a normal human mechanism where when
  • 00:30:10
    you have an emotional injury your brain
  • 00:30:13
    can fantasize give you fantasies of
  • 00:30:16
    Triumph or whatever you're missing to
  • 00:30:19
    make you feel better right because then
  • 00:30:20
    you feel good oh yeah it's going to be
  • 00:30:22
    good you get that Justice boner where
  • 00:30:23
    you're like yeah like I'm going to win
  • 00:30:25
    so there's sort of a tendency for
  • 00:30:27
    fantasy once again we talked about this
  • 00:30:29
    on the OCD side but I think once again
  • 00:30:31
    we're sort of on this bell curve so
  • 00:30:33
    here's the ADHD bell curve and if you're
  • 00:30:36
    over here you get you get diagnosed with
  • 00:30:39
    ADHD but the limerance people are over
  • 00:30:41
    here with a tendency to fantasize more
  • 00:30:44
    than normal a tendency to use fantasy as
  • 00:30:48
    an emotional coping mechanism right and
  • 00:30:51
    an inability to
  • 00:30:55
    control their attention
  • 00:30:58
    right this is why you have those
  • 00:30:59
    intrusive thoughts you can't stop
  • 00:31:01
    thinking about them these thoughts come
  • 00:31:03
    in you can't restrain your mind and so
  • 00:31:06
    what I'm sort of envisioning with people
  • 00:31:08
    who have limerance is that there's like
  • 00:31:09
    a constellation of these things they're
  • 00:31:11
    not necessarily ADHD enough to have ADHD
  • 00:31:15
    they're not necessarily OCD enough to
  • 00:31:17
    have OCD they're not necessarily like uh
  • 00:31:20
    you know it's not just anxious
  • 00:31:22
    attachment that's not sufficient to
  • 00:31:23
    explain it so when you have a brain that
  • 00:31:26
    has a tendency towards fantasy a
  • 00:31:28
    tendency towards intrusive thinking
  • 00:31:30
    compuls compulsive thinking and then you
  • 00:31:33
    have an an attachment injury that may be
  • 00:31:35
    that very specific kind where someone
  • 00:31:37
    once shows up and saves the world for
  • 00:31:40
    you for like an hour then all of these
  • 00:31:43
    things kind of mix together into a stew
  • 00:31:46
    that results in limerance and this is
  • 00:31:48
    also why generally speaking it's on the
  • 00:31:50
    rarer side right I think the amount of
  • 00:31:52
    it is increasing very rapidly so it
  • 00:31:55
    seems to be way more common we'll talk
  • 00:31:56
    about that why that isn't in a couple
  • 00:31:58
    minutes but you know this is why it's
  • 00:32:00
    like you know on the rarer side the last
  • 00:32:02
    thing that we have to talk about is
  • 00:32:03
    there's absolutely a physiological
  • 00:32:05
    component so this isn't nearly as sexy
  • 00:32:07
    or interesting as the other pieces um
  • 00:32:10
    but we there're just studies that show
  • 00:32:12
    that there's there's a certain
  • 00:32:13
    activation of the nervous system where
  • 00:32:15
    people tend to be highly anxious they
  • 00:32:18
    get a lot of sympathetic nervous system
  • 00:32:20
    activity their fight or flight response
  • 00:32:22
    tends to be really really hyperactive
  • 00:32:25
    and it gets um it also gets soothed
  • 00:32:28
    by their responses right so if someone
  • 00:32:31
    actually responds to you then your
  • 00:32:32
    nervous system really calms down but if
  • 00:32:35
    they don't respond to you in the right
  • 00:32:36
    way um they're actually features of
  • 00:32:38
    things like nausea and like other kinds
  • 00:32:41
    of uh you know activation I'm going to
  • 00:32:44
    show youall there are studies that show
  • 00:32:46
    that there's a lot of like bodily
  • 00:32:48
    Sensations um GI upset shallow breathing
  • 00:32:51
    nausea T headaches tachicardia these are
  • 00:32:54
    all like so there's also like a nervous
  • 00:32:56
    system component where it's not not just
  • 00:32:58
    in your head your body
  • 00:33:00
    responds by activating adrenaline
  • 00:33:02
    activating cortisol and then that shapes
  • 00:33:04
    your your thinking so this by the way is
  • 00:33:07
    a case conceptualization for the
  • 00:33:08
    development and maintenance of Li
  • 00:33:10
    limerance okay we'll talk about this a
  • 00:33:11
    little bit more at the end so that's
  • 00:33:13
    what causes it I mean do we know that
  • 00:33:15
    not really so that's why it's like taken
  • 00:33:17
    me a couple of years right so like I
  • 00:33:18
    read um ten of's book and great book by
  • 00:33:21
    the way highly recommend it if y'all
  • 00:33:22
    want to like it's just the the language
  • 00:33:24
    in it is beautiful and then it took me a
  • 00:33:25
    while to sort of try to figure out okay
  • 00:33:27
    like what's going on here what's really
  • 00:33:29
    like what are the features of this how
  • 00:33:30
    can we understand this from a
  • 00:33:31
    neuroscience perspective from a genetic
  • 00:33:33
    perspective like what's really what is
  • 00:33:35
    this person's experience and how can we
  • 00:33:38
    break apart and really understand the
  • 00:33:40
    building blocks of limerance by
  • 00:33:44
    extrapolating from all of these other
  • 00:33:46
    illnesses that we know a lot about and
  • 00:33:49
    that's kind of what I think is going on
  • 00:33:51
    okay now let's talk a little bit about
  • 00:33:53
    the course of limerance so if you are
  • 00:33:54
    stuck with limerance you know you you
  • 00:33:57
    drew the short star or four of the short
  • 00:33:59
    Stars you got a little bit of the OCD
  • 00:34:00
    maybe a little bit of the ADHD maybe a
  • 00:34:02
    little bit of the anxious attachment
  • 00:34:04
    style a little bit of sympathetic
  • 00:34:06
    nervous system
  • 00:34:07
    hyperactivity what does this look like
  • 00:34:09
    for people okay so once again what we're
  • 00:34:12
    going to do is we're going to take a
  • 00:34:14
    quick look at ten of's book because I
  • 00:34:17
    think she does a great job of describing
  • 00:34:18
    it the course of limerance is as follows
  • 00:34:21
    the LI reactions begin begins usually at
  • 00:34:24
    a point discernible at the time and
  • 00:34:26
    later recalled so people
  • 00:34:28
    Remember When The limerance Struck it
  • 00:34:30
    was like an arrow to the heart you know
  • 00:34:32
    like cupid hit me sexual attraction
  • 00:34:35
    doesn't need to be experienced um but
  • 00:34:38
    the the primary experience is usually
  • 00:34:40
    like admiration like this person is
  • 00:34:42
    amazing like you admire them you
  • 00:34:44
    idealize them once limerance begins you
  • 00:34:47
    find yourself thinking about the liant
  • 00:34:48
    object and receiving considerable
  • 00:34:51
    pleasure from the process so this is
  • 00:34:53
    where that daydreaming component comes
  • 00:34:54
    in okay there's an initial phase in
  • 00:34:57
    which you buoyant elated and ironically
  • 00:35:00
    for this appears to be the beginning of
  • 00:35:03
    an essentially involuntary process free
  • 00:35:06
    free not only from the restraints the
  • 00:35:09
    usual restraints of gravity but
  • 00:35:11
    emotionally unburdened you may be more
  • 00:35:14
    uh uh you may be attracted to more than
  • 00:35:15
    one potential liant object you feel that
  • 00:35:17
    your response is a result of the liant
  • 00:35:20
    objects fine qualities so in the first
  • 00:35:22
    phase you feel really great and the
  • 00:35:24
    reason I don't know if this kind of
  • 00:35:26
    makes sense but the reason that you're
  • 00:35:28
    so into them is because they are so
  • 00:35:31
    amazing right so you think that because
  • 00:35:33
    they are amazing you are into them it's
  • 00:35:35
    not the other way around in your mind it
  • 00:35:36
    is a
  • 00:35:37
    justifiable Obsession a justifiable
  • 00:35:40
    admiration now we get to the scary part
  • 00:35:43
    with evidence of reciprocation from the
  • 00:35:45
    Lian object which doesn't have to be a
  • 00:35:46
    lot right so they can just say hi to you
  • 00:35:48
    that's often times sufficient you enjoy
  • 00:35:50
    a state of extreme pleasure even
  • 00:35:53
    Euphoria your thoughts are mainly
  • 00:35:55
    occupied with considering and
  • 00:35:56
    reconsidering
  • 00:35:58
    what you might may find attractive about
  • 00:36:00
    them so you're replaying events in your
  • 00:36:01
    head um and appreciating qualities in in
  • 00:36:05
    yourself which you perceive as possibly
  • 00:36:07
    having sparked interest in you on the
  • 00:36:10
    part of the Lo so like you're you're
  • 00:36:12
    really grateful oh I'm like really glad
  • 00:36:14
    I I look great and red and that was the
  • 00:36:16
    day that they said hi to me so you kind
  • 00:36:18
    of start to have this obsessional
  • 00:36:19
    thinking you're spending a lot of energy
  • 00:36:21
    thinking about it your degree of
  • 00:36:23
    involvement increases if obstacles are
  • 00:36:25
    externally opposed imposed
  • 00:36:28
    so this is kind of a really important
  • 00:36:30
    segment as well where setbacks don't
  • 00:36:33
    really make things harder right so a lot
  • 00:36:35
    of people will say oh if this person
  • 00:36:36
    doesn't text you back like just move on
  • 00:36:39
    so one of the key features of limerance
  • 00:36:41
    is when you get when you experience
  • 00:36:44
    setbacks it doesn't push you away it
  • 00:36:47
    only
  • 00:36:49
    intensifies your attraction to the liant
  • 00:36:51
    object usually with some degree of Doubt
  • 00:36:54
    its intensity Rises further and you
  • 00:36:56
    reach the stage at which the reaction is
  • 00:36:58
    virtually impossible to dislodge either
  • 00:37:01
    by your your own Act of will or by
  • 00:37:04
    further evidence of the L's undesirable
  • 00:37:06
    qualities um so what that basically
  • 00:37:08
    means is like at this point you lose
  • 00:37:10
    control the limmer Beast has taken over
  • 00:37:13
    well the limmer beasts actually took
  • 00:37:14
    over over
  • 00:37:16
    here where you're just just thinking
  • 00:37:18
    about them brings you so much pleasure
  • 00:37:20
    and so this results in uh a doubt an
  • 00:37:23
    increased intensity of limerance to
  • 00:37:25
    undermine your former satisfaction ction
  • 00:37:27
    with yourself you acquire new clothes
  • 00:37:30
    change your hairstyle you're receptive
  • 00:37:31
    to any suggestion by by which you might
  • 00:37:34
    increase your desirability in the lant
  • 00:37:36
    object's eyes that's why I kind of
  • 00:37:37
    referred to it as the disintegration of
  • 00:37:40
    the self so sometimes people will change
  • 00:37:42
    but other times it's more of an
  • 00:37:44
    experience of like I recognize that
  • 00:37:46
    limerance is kind of nutty and I have a
  • 00:37:48
    regular life over here but something
  • 00:37:51
    about you begins to change your sense of
  • 00:37:53
    selfworth can get caught up in the way
  • 00:37:56
    that the liant object response to you
  • 00:37:58
    okay so there are a couple of other
  • 00:38:00
    features about the course of limerance
  • 00:38:01
    like we already said it lasts about 1 to
  • 00:38:03
    7 years and then this is the really
  • 00:38:05
    confusing thing so so far we've talked
  • 00:38:08
    basically about the liant object as
  • 00:38:10
    being distant from you and like not
  • 00:38:12
    really interacting you with you so what
  • 00:38:15
    happens when you actually start
  • 00:38:17
    interacting when they start
  • 00:38:18
    reciprocating or they don't reciprocate
  • 00:38:20
    so how does liance evolve with the
  • 00:38:22
    person so generally speaking you know
  • 00:38:25
    you're striving for their affection
  • 00:38:27
    sometimes s you get their affection you
  • 00:38:28
    feel amazing if you don't get their
  • 00:38:30
    affection or there's a lot of
  • 00:38:31
    uncertainty you start obsessing a little
  • 00:38:33
    bit more you think about them more you
  • 00:38:35
    think about how can I get this person to
  • 00:38:37
    notice me like me Etc unfortunately as
  • 00:38:39
    limerance progresses it like never ends
  • 00:38:43
    well so even if you get their attention
  • 00:38:46
    often times the real version of them um
  • 00:38:50
    and this is something that I I think is
  • 00:38:51
    kind of confusing but um so this is
  • 00:38:54
    what's kind of confusing if they do
  • 00:38:56
    reciprocate at any point in the process
  • 00:38:58
    if you perceive reciprocation your
  • 00:39:00
    degree of involvement ceases to rise
  • 00:39:04
    until of course you become uncertain
  • 00:39:06
    again so this is what's like really
  • 00:39:08
    confusing is that actually as you get
  • 00:39:10
    closer to them the triggers for the
  • 00:39:12
    limerance actually disappear you know
  • 00:39:14
    and if you get close to them they no
  • 00:39:16
    longer become this idealized object if
  • 00:39:18
    you start dating them like then your
  • 00:39:19
    limerance will transfer to someone else
  • 00:39:22
    which is really perplexing and confusing
  • 00:39:24
    so limerance sort of exists in your mind
  • 00:39:27
    it exists and is triggered by
  • 00:39:29
    uncertainty and distance the nature of
  • 00:39:31
    limerance is that it is a longing for a
  • 00:39:34
    fantasy it is not a reality you have a
  • 00:39:37
    reality over here the limerance is over
  • 00:39:39
    here and if you make the mistake of
  • 00:39:42
    moving the limerance if all of your
  • 00:39:44
    desires become true and they start to
  • 00:39:46
    become a reality the limerance actually
  • 00:39:48
    disappears and a new Limer object can
  • 00:39:50
    form and so that's one of the ways that
  • 00:39:52
    limerance can end the other thing that
  • 00:39:54
    can happen is the person can reject you
  • 00:39:56
    which is really painful but then often
  • 00:39:58
    times we'll develop a new Limer object
  • 00:40:01
    and then the third thing that can happen
  • 00:40:02
    in liance is that we can sort of get a
  • 00:40:04
    mixed response from the person so maybe
  • 00:40:07
    we confess our feelings maybe we become
  • 00:40:10
    friends I don't want to push this person
  • 00:40:12
    away and the interesting thing about
  • 00:40:14
    like keeping them at the friend distance
  • 00:40:16
    is it can actually intensify the
  • 00:40:17
    limerance right cuz like when this
  • 00:40:20
    person when you're when you when you
  • 00:40:21
    don't really confess to them they still
  • 00:40:23
    remain idealized they still remain
  • 00:40:26
    distant they still remain uh you know
  • 00:40:29
    Fant they're capable of continuing to
  • 00:40:32
    exist in your fantasies generally
  • 00:40:34
    speaking though as people consummate the
  • 00:40:37
    limerance in some way as they connect
  • 00:40:39
    with other people as there's some degre
  • 00:40:41
    degree of reciprocity usually the most
  • 00:40:44
    common experience for limerance is that
  • 00:40:46
    it's disappointing right so even if you
  • 00:40:48
    move in the right direction it doesn't
  • 00:40:50
    satisfy you and once again the reason
  • 00:40:52
    for that is because limerance is not
  • 00:40:53
    like a real thing it is a fantasy that
  • 00:40:56
    is constructed in your mind and so then
  • 00:40:58
    the question becomes what do we do about
  • 00:41:00
    it and this is where like I think it's
  • 00:41:01
    really useful to think about these
  • 00:41:03
    components of limerance right so what
  • 00:41:05
    creates it so you know if there's like a
  • 00:41:08
    genetic predisposition for OCD there's
  • 00:41:10
    not really a whole lot you can do about
  • 00:41:12
    that so that's okay but we can also use
  • 00:41:14
    some of these like approaches to OCD um
  • 00:41:17
    we can use some of these approaches to
  • 00:41:19
    ADHD some of these approaches to
  • 00:41:20
    sympathetic nervous system activity and
  • 00:41:22
    attachment Theory to sort of figure out
  • 00:41:25
    how to approach this so a lot of IST
  • 00:41:27
    will believe that basically it's an
  • 00:41:29
    attachment injury right it's attachment
  • 00:41:31
    base so if you heal your anxious
  • 00:41:33
    attachment style which can be done
  • 00:41:35
    through therapy which can be done
  • 00:41:36
    through stable relationships that will
  • 00:41:38
    be a big part of it um so the usually
  • 00:41:41
    the way that that I start this is to
  • 00:41:43
    track back to this origin story so think
  • 00:41:46
    about when did I first start to develop
  • 00:41:49
    this idea that these fantastic
  • 00:41:51
    relationships with these idealized
  • 00:41:53
    people exist and that's why I gave you
  • 00:41:55
    all that very specific scenario you know
  • 00:41:57
    H has there been a time in your life
  • 00:41:59
    where you felt unloved and someone
  • 00:42:02
    swooped in and made everything perfect
  • 00:42:04
    for you how did you feel at that time
  • 00:42:07
    you know like that that kind of stuff
  • 00:42:09
    like to really just sort of process that
  • 00:42:10
    think about it think about how that maps
  • 00:42:12
    on now think about the lessons that you
  • 00:42:14
    learned what conclusions did you form
  • 00:42:17
    through those experiences how do you
  • 00:42:19
    carry those in the present that often
  • 00:42:20
    times you need to work with a therapist
  • 00:42:21
    to really do that but that's kind of the
  • 00:42:23
    direction of what I do with people when
  • 00:42:24
    I work with them also related to that is
  • 00:42:26
    to think a little bit about what were
  • 00:42:28
    your unmet needs at that time and you
  • 00:42:31
    may notice that there is a correlation
  • 00:42:33
    between those core unmet needs and the
  • 00:42:36
    intensity of limerance so remember that
  • 00:42:39
    limerance is triggered by often times
  • 00:42:42
    something within you either a sense that
  • 00:42:44
    you're not good enough a desire for
  • 00:42:46
    admiration a desire to you know be
  • 00:42:49
    worthy of someone there's all kinds of
  • 00:42:51
    stuff within you that can trigger the
  • 00:42:53
    limerance so it helps to kind of look
  • 00:42:55
    back at that original episode and try to
  • 00:42:58
    think about okay what were the needs
  • 00:43:00
    that were not met within me because
  • 00:43:02
    remember that limerance is triggered by
  • 00:43:04
    some kind of unmet need within you right
  • 00:43:07
    that's why we have this fantasy coping
  • 00:43:09
    mechanism to make those emotional needs
  • 00:43:11
    kind of calm down um so so really think
  • 00:43:14
    about okay what is the thing that is
  • 00:43:16
    triggering the limerance what is it in
  • 00:43:18
    me that feels unfulfilled incomplete or
  • 00:43:21
    unmet once you understand what that
  • 00:43:23
    thing is hopefully you can get the
  • 00:43:25
    process of metabolizing it digesting it
  • 00:43:27
    Etc now the other thing that that I I
  • 00:43:29
    think is very helpful is to really take
  • 00:43:31
    a reality-based approach so this is more
  • 00:43:34
    of like the the cognitive aspect of it
  • 00:43:36
    but to notice your mental gymnastics so
  • 00:43:39
    what does my mind perceive from this
  • 00:43:42
    person and what literally happened so I
  • 00:43:45
    think a really good exercise for this is
  • 00:43:47
    like imagine that you are an alien
  • 00:43:49
    observing these
  • 00:43:50
    interactions what would the alien infer
  • 00:43:54
    about what the significance of these
  • 00:43:56
    interactions is when someone nods at you
  • 00:43:58
    in the hallway does that mean that
  • 00:44:00
    they're deeply in love with you no right
  • 00:44:03
    so this is the nature of limerance this
  • 00:44:04
    is the challenge with limerance is that
  • 00:44:05
    there's a lot of cognitive reactions a
  • 00:44:08
    lot of intrusive thinking a lot of
  • 00:44:10
    distortions and what we really want to
  • 00:44:12
    start doing is noticing the
  • 00:44:16
    discrepancy between what the reality is
  • 00:44:19
    and everything that my mind attaches to
  • 00:44:21
    it so this is where we have we have a
  • 00:44:24
    membership's lecture on something in the
  • 00:44:26
    yogic uh tradition called Kisha so
  • 00:44:28
    kishta is all of the coloring that our
  • 00:44:32
    mind attaches to experiences and if you
  • 00:44:36
    really what's really wild about this
  • 00:44:38
    y'all can go watch that that lecture if
  • 00:44:39
    you want but like you know by the end of
  • 00:44:41
    it we were really able to understand how
  • 00:44:44
    most of your experiences in life are
  • 00:44:48
    actually shaped by what you add to them
  • 00:44:51
    so when your boss says hey I have some
  • 00:44:54
    constructive feedback for you and we
  • 00:44:56
    feel terrible it doesn't mean that we're
  • 00:44:58
    doing a terrible job we may be doing a
  • 00:45:01
    great job and our boss wants to see us
  • 00:45:03
    do a better job that's why they give us
  • 00:45:05
    constructive feedback it's a positive
  • 00:45:07
    thing it's one opportunity for growth it
  • 00:45:10
    demonstrates caring on the part of the
  • 00:45:12
    boss but that's not how we perceive it
  • 00:45:14
    so to really start to Tunnel apart and
  • 00:45:17
    tease apart you know what is the reality
  • 00:45:19
    of the situation what is my mind adding
  • 00:45:21
    to the equation and so as we sort of
  • 00:45:23
    take a more reality based approach what
  • 00:45:25
    we'll discover is there's often times
  • 00:45:26
    some kind of negative thing that the
  • 00:45:29
    limerance is protecting us against right
  • 00:45:31
    so I don't know if this kind of you all
  • 00:45:33
    kind of remember but like here's the
  • 00:45:35
    basic mechanism okay right we have unmet
  • 00:45:38
    need okay we have our parent and then we
  • 00:45:41
    have our swooper who comes in and then
  • 00:45:43
    makes this better so then what happens
  • 00:45:45
    is our brain develops this idea that
  • 00:45:48
    kind of like a programming if unmet need
  • 00:45:51
    for swooper right look look for this
  • 00:45:54
    perfect superhero kind of person who's
  • 00:45:57
    going to fix everything in our life so
  • 00:45:59
    the unmet need is what triggers the
  • 00:46:01
    limerance okay now remember that the key
  • 00:46:03
    thing here is that when we have this
  • 00:46:05
    unmet need and we have this fantasy
  • 00:46:08
    remember fantasy is an emotional coping
  • 00:46:10
    mechanism that decreases our negative
  • 00:46:13
    emotion right so the fantasy makes the
  • 00:46:15
    negative emotion go away so unmet need
  • 00:46:18
    equals negative emotion then we have our
  • 00:46:21
    fantasy which goes and knocks this out
  • 00:46:25
    and that's why when our Fant FY becomes
  • 00:46:27
    a reality the reality doesn't knock out
  • 00:46:30
    the negative emotion right so the
  • 00:46:31
    reality doesn't actually fix the problem
  • 00:46:33
    because now our the fantasy is the
  • 00:46:36
    mental construction the Daydream that
  • 00:46:39
    soothes the negative emotion so what we
  • 00:46:42
    need to do then is go to this unmet need
  • 00:46:45
    and really understand what is it that
  • 00:46:46
    we're afraid of what's the problem here
  • 00:46:48
    and often times what people who experien
  • 00:46:51
    Lim will have is they'll have some sense
  • 00:46:54
    of like rejection that they're
  • 00:46:56
    terrifying of and this is why all this
  • 00:46:58
    uncertainty around the Lian starts to
  • 00:47:00
    come up where like I'm terrified they're
  • 00:47:02
    going to reject me I'm terrified they're
  • 00:47:03
    going to abandon me if they reject you
  • 00:47:05
    and if they abandon you and that need
  • 00:47:08
    goes unmet what will happen what is this
  • 00:47:13
    so terrible thing that your mind is so
  • 00:47:15
    terrified of that it'll create all of
  • 00:47:18
    these me mental gymnastics so this
  • 00:47:20
    Central fear usually must be faced the
  • 00:47:24
    cool thing is once you face it you'll
  • 00:47:26
    realize that this C this Central fear
  • 00:47:29
    especially if you've built a normal life
  • 00:47:31
    over here is not really applicable right
  • 00:47:34
    so this Central fear that you still
  • 00:47:36
    primitively are so scared of is often
  • 00:47:39
    times traumatic in nature so if youall
  • 00:47:41
    want to understand how to digest these
  • 00:47:43
    kinds of things we talk about it from
  • 00:47:44
    the yogic perspective and Dr K's guide
  • 00:47:46
    to trauma so this is the key thing is
  • 00:47:48
    that the fear is not doesn't exist in
  • 00:47:51
    your regular life it's something that
  • 00:47:52
    you carry with you as a traumatic injury
  • 00:47:55
    the last thing um not the last thing the
  • 00:47:58
    next thing is your sympathetic nervous
  • 00:47:59
    system needs to be re-calibrated so what
  • 00:48:02
    we want to do is do traditional mindbody
  • 00:48:05
    practices to tone down our sympathetic
  • 00:48:08
    nervous tone okay so what does that mean
  • 00:48:11
    um so what this sort of means is that
  • 00:48:14
    you know if our if our there's lots of
  • 00:48:16
    studies that show that yoga taichi
  • 00:48:18
    breathing exercises all this stuff is
  • 00:48:20
    going to calm down your sympathetic
  • 00:48:23
    nervous system as your adrenaline
  • 00:48:25
    cortisol and blood pressure as all of
  • 00:48:28
    these things start to drop from these
  • 00:48:30
    practices this will alter the way that
  • 00:48:33
    your brain functions right because
  • 00:48:35
    adrenaline and cortisol travel to the
  • 00:48:37
    brain and make us think rapid intrusive
  • 00:48:41
    thoughts that's like literally what
  • 00:48:42
    adrenaline and cortisol do so I want
  • 00:48:44
    youall to think about this for a second
  • 00:48:45
    when your adrenaline is pumping you
  • 00:48:47
    can't control your thinking and that's
  • 00:48:48
    the way that it's supposed to be so when
  • 00:48:50
    adrenaline is pumping through our brain
  • 00:48:52
    and I'm being attacked by a pack of wild
  • 00:48:53
    hyenas I'm going to be thinking about
  • 00:48:55
    the wild hyenas there's nothing I can
  • 00:48:57
    think about and that's like an
  • 00:48:58
    evolutionary feature it's not I don't
  • 00:48:59
    want to be worrying about what I'm
  • 00:49:01
    making for dinner that night if I'm
  • 00:49:02
    being attacked by a pack of wild hyenas
  • 00:49:04
    so you need to work on a on a nervous
  • 00:49:06
    system level as well and this is what I
  • 00:49:08
    love about being like a medical doctor
  • 00:49:09
    is that you know when I work with my
  • 00:49:11
    patients I I notice that now a lot of
  • 00:49:13
    psychologists will do meditation and
  • 00:49:15
    things like that but they're just not
  • 00:49:16
    trained in physiology in the same way
  • 00:49:18
    that we are so I lean heavily into the
  • 00:49:19
    stuff I see a lot of great stuff a lot
  • 00:49:22
    of great outcomes because you're
  • 00:49:23
    altering the the nervous system
  • 00:49:26
    contribution into this stuff and
  • 00:49:27
    thankfully like this is something that
  • 00:49:28
    now all psychologists are learning in
  • 00:49:30
    terms of mindfulness techniques and
  • 00:49:31
    stuff so it's great um you can also work
  • 00:49:33
    with a therapist so the the case study
  • 00:49:35
    that I showed yall which I'm going to
  • 00:49:36
    flash to real quick um you know so
  • 00:49:38
    here's a a paper that shows that
  • 00:49:40
    treatment of limerance using a cognitive
  • 00:49:42
    behavioral approach a case study this is
  • 00:49:44
    in the open uh This Is An Open Access
  • 00:49:46
    paper thankfully so you guys can all get
  • 00:49:48
    it but this paper is great um I'm not
  • 00:49:51
    going to go over this I think it's a bit
  • 00:49:52
    so I'm not going to go over all this
  • 00:49:53
    y'all can read this if you want to but
  • 00:49:54
    this is a great case study that really
  • 00:49:56
    goes go through like the process of
  • 00:49:58
    limerance and how how this person goes
  • 00:50:01
    about kind of treating it okay so you
  • 00:50:03
    can absolutely work with a a uh
  • 00:50:05
    therapist or psychiatrist and and so
  • 00:50:07
    that's kind of how we deal with liance
  • 00:50:09
    right so I I think um you can absolutely
  • 00:50:11
    get treatment but we got to understand
  • 00:50:12
    that it is this sudden limmer Beast
  • 00:50:14
    Invasion of intrusive thoughts and
  • 00:50:16
    Fantasies and daydreaming and all these
  • 00:50:18
    kind of coping mechanisms and it it
  • 00:50:21
    strikes people and we don't know exactly
  • 00:50:23
    why it strikes people there isn't really
  • 00:50:24
    great data about it but if this is
  • 00:50:26
    something that you struggle with
  • 00:50:27
    hopefully this will give you some
  • 00:50:29
    pathway of at least understanding and
  • 00:50:31
    dealing with it now that I've said all
  • 00:50:33
    that I'm about to torpedo everything
  • 00:50:35
    that I just
  • 00:50:36
    said so bad I should just stop
  • 00:50:40
    now oh my God okay so last thing that
  • 00:50:43
    I'm going to say is really going to mess
  • 00:50:45
    everybody up and it's probably something
  • 00:50:47
    that is better left unset but I got to
  • 00:50:49
    say it so the other thing the other way
  • 00:50:51
    that I understand limerance actually
  • 00:50:52
    this is good to say so there there are
  • 00:50:54
    studies that also show that acceptance
  • 00:50:57
    of the fact that you have limerance and
  • 00:50:59
    just to say okay I have limerance it
  • 00:51:01
    doesn't mean that it's real this is just
  • 00:51:03
    a struggle that I have I have these
  • 00:51:05
    unmet emotional needs I have these
  • 00:51:07
    traumatic upbringing experiences this is
  • 00:51:09
    just how things are so studies show that
  • 00:51:12
    just accepting that you have this
  • 00:51:14
    problem actually helps disolve the
  • 00:51:17
    problem okay so if I don't accept that
  • 00:51:20
    limerance is a problem that I have what
  • 00:51:23
    I'm going to be stuck in is believing
  • 00:51:27
    that the limerance is real and that if
  • 00:51:29
    this person if I can get this person to
  • 00:51:30
    notice me then I will be happy forever
  • 00:51:33
    but we know from studies on the course
  • 00:51:35
    of limerance that that doesn't happen so
  • 00:51:37
    until you know your liant you are
  • 00:51:40
    chasing the liant object as a source of
  • 00:51:44
    Salvation buoyancy everything so the
  • 00:51:47
    moment that you accept chasing this
  • 00:51:50
    liant object will never it's a fantasy
  • 00:51:53
    there's it's never going to it can't be
  • 00:51:55
    a reality because I man facture it in my
  • 00:51:57
    mind the moment that you do that it the
  • 00:52:00
    the limmer Beast loses power over you
  • 00:52:02
    right because then you stop trying to
  • 00:52:04
    make the fantasy a reality and when you
  • 00:52:06
    try to make that fantasy a reality
  • 00:52:08
    that's where a lot of the depression and
  • 00:52:10
    anxiety seep in so the last crazy thing
  • 00:52:11
    that I'm going to say is that you know
  • 00:52:13
    there's a part of me in the back of my
  • 00:52:14
    mind that wonders whether the reason we
  • 00:52:17
    have limerance could be a very
  • 00:52:19
    complicated Neuroscience genetic
  • 00:52:22
    predisposition circle jerk Harvard
  • 00:52:25
    whatever the Dr K of ADHD and OCD
  • 00:52:29
    and attachment injury and sympathetic
  • 00:52:31
    nervous system and all this scientific
  • 00:52:33
    BS that sounds great but in in the Deep
  • 00:52:37
    bottom of my heart I wonder whether
  • 00:52:38
    limerance is a past life karmic
  • 00:52:41
    connection that in a past life you were
  • 00:52:44
    attached to this person in a past life
  • 00:52:46
    you loved this person and the ache that
  • 00:52:49
    you have is not about this life it is an
  • 00:52:53
    echo of love and connection that kind of
  • 00:52:56
    true love kind of crap that you may even
  • 00:52:59
    have in this life which I unfortunately
  • 00:53:01
    believe in I believe in true love and
  • 00:53:03
    that something about that experience
  • 00:53:06
    that that love conquers all and is so
  • 00:53:09
    Transcendent in the Hindu tradition we
  • 00:53:11
    believe that when you get married you
  • 00:53:13
    buy yourself relationships for the next
  • 00:53:15
    seven lifetimes six or seven I'm not
  • 00:53:18
    quite sure I don't know if they count
  • 00:53:19
    this one or it's seven more I don't know
  • 00:53:20
    so there's this idea you know that that
  • 00:53:22
    in these karmic religions that there's
  • 00:53:24
    some aspect of you that doesn't end with
  • 00:53:27
    death that carries forward that we have
  • 00:53:30
    these karmic bonds with people and I
  • 00:53:32
    wonder whether liance is just one of the
  • 00:53:34
    manifestations of that it's not some
  • 00:53:37
    super complicated genetic whatever the f
  • 00:53:39
    okay now the key thing to understand is
  • 00:53:41
    that even if that's true it doesn't mean
  • 00:53:44
    that this person is that for you in this
  • 00:53:46
    life right that is a memory it is an
  • 00:53:49
    echo of times F past it is a longing for
  • 00:53:53
    an ex doesn't mean that yall are good
  • 00:53:55
    together and so on the one hand I
  • 00:53:57
    hesitate to share that because I I I
  • 00:53:59
    don't want that to feed your limerance
  • 00:54:01
    like oh my God I do K this person is my
  • 00:54:05
    limitate object and you are telling me
  • 00:54:06
    that is Love from a past life this means
  • 00:54:09
    that I need to chase it oh my God I'm
  • 00:54:12
    going don't I'm actually saying the
  • 00:54:14
    opposite right that this thing is over
  • 00:54:16
    now but the reason there's a good reason
  • 00:54:19
    you have those feelings you're not crazy
  • 00:54:22
    that this is coming from somewhere if
  • 00:54:24
    you're scientifically oriented you can
  • 00:54:26
    use my Dr K extrapolated OCD ADHD
  • 00:54:30
    daydreaming empathic I mean uh uh
  • 00:54:33
    attachment injury sympathetic nervous
  • 00:54:34
    system hyperactivation you can use that
  • 00:54:37
    model if you believe in science and if
  • 00:54:39
    you believe in love you can use the
  • 00:54:40
    karmic model but just because there's a
  • 00:54:43
    karmic connection does not mean that it
  • 00:54:45
    needs to be lived in this life so what
  • 00:54:47
    I'd say is just even if you believe that
  • 00:54:49
    say like okay this is just a memory of
  • 00:54:51
    things past I will accept it and let it
  • 00:54:53
    go and studies show that once again
  • 00:54:55
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  • 00:54:58
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