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uh welcome to satwa project open heart
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open mind we are here again with the SRI
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Niraj Kumar the author of the first
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volume of the color chakra Tantra
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um and we are going to keep this
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interview according to the first part we
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did before and uh I feel very happy to
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have SRI Niraj Kumar again with us to
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tell us much more about this interesting
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volume of the kalashaka Tantra and his
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amazing writing work hello srini
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Rajkumar
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good evening
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and good evening
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namaskar good evening to India to all my
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Indian friends and thank you so much for
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your kind uh attention in accept this
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invitation for the second interview
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about your volumes so
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I would like to start in the last
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interview we discussed about the
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structure of the five volume project on
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translation and commentary over
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kalashaka Tantra uh we also discussed a
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bit about your journey so today I'm
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interested to talk more about the
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comments in the first volume is there
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any prophecy about kalki King in this
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first volume
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ah yes
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um because you know there are five
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chapters five sections
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and uh I'm devoting one section each uh
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one volume for one section each
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in the very first volume we have talk of
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not only kalki of the path but also
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kalki of the future
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and this is there are 169 verses in the
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first chapter uh which I have translated
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in the first volume so from verse 156 to
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the last words of this chapter 169 or so
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we have uh this whole talk about kalki
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Kings and uh what's 158 that talks about
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the future kalki the last that is
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and in 159th was
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being proper size that there will be a
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very very intense war in future
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so and there we also find how The
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Logical key will be killing uh the king
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of demons that interest that is very
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interesting people generally thinking uh
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the large skull kicking will kill the
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king of Barbarians but the Thunder talks
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about two different Kings one each
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the king of the barbarians and another
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is
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basically the king of demons so that
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itself is very confusing what did demon
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and what is uh you know Barbarian yes
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but we have discussion about uh these
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two uh evil Kings Wicked Kings to be
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killed by kalki and his companions
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thank you so much WoW interesting and
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what is a cocky what are the qualities
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of a kalki sriniraj Kumar
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see
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a term itself where if we see this
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Sanskrit uh Optical term is
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paste what we call cement cementing to
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glue so that is so in a way how I have
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foreseen that kalki is basically a
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unifier of different races different
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world view so for me which I have
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written in mind production also that
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kalkita epitome of synthesis is a
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paragon of globalization
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um I then another meaning we find
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uh he is he has got a indestructible he
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has got an indestructible body he has
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and he had mastered the buddhi chitta
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therefore he had the vajr
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and he'd like a vaccine you see what
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happens in vaccine you take the germ and
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then you process it and you inject it
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back and then yeah you get protection
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from that so kalki is also like a
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vaccine he takes on Wicked qualities of
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violence okay he processes the same and
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then he injects into the outer human
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world to transform kalu into satyuka
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that is dark ages into age of Dharma so
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or if we can compare with Alchemy you
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see how a process Mercury so that
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transmutes metal into gold so similarly
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he transformed the world of wickedness
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into uh uh into our sambala and kalki is
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not like Amitabh did not like amok
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siddhi so
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they live in heaven they live in pure
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land but foreign
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this is basically a land of peace
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prosperity happiness then abundance
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Liberty creativity everything is on this
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very Earth with kalki want to realize
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faulty mankind
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very nice example this one about the
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facts
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other part one like what are the
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qualities of kalki that is very
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interesting because my intanka itself uh
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you see the uh 155th or Worse attack
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talks about the qualities of kalki and
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like in the last uh talk also we had
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discussed
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how that this whole culture
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has been you know fashioned around
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path that is
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a cycle and here also kalki has got 12
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different qualities of order he has got
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positions so that is mentioned in the
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verse 155 of the 10th and I'm just
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listing that is very interesting Bindu
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that is
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wife so he has a wife
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that is a eye ointment uh like uh we
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must have seen in uh movies also okay
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how other various they used to apply
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this yeah
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yes and then and then garura the eagle
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messenger of God that means he has got a
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very good intelligence system also and
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he has got calmed him is a cow which can
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you know which can give milk as per
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endless amount of milk so or and then
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Fort he has a video I will say in terms
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of energy electricity
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lightning and then he has got very good
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knowledge so Vidya then he also
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possesses
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uh digit so that is so if one wants to
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decode what is this
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it is
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also has the Divine language so kalki
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has a wisdom body and he knows entire
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weight logic critizes he can speak so
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past and future and moreover he had
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different personality like for good
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people he is very you know humble but
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for the uh like uh for the wicked people
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he is very tough so and then we find the
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explanation in the last chapter which I
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have not discussed in the first volume
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so this is
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256 of the the fifth chapter that
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mentioned that kalki he looks young also
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and at the same time he looks like an
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old man so he has got contrasting
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personality he is in company of women
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and yet he follows he's a brahmachali he
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follows ft and he is a very
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compassionate but for the sake of
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welfare of mankind he can kill the you
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know evil people
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is a very soft spoken but he is very
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tough with a very cruel with the wicked
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people so and though he's liberated but
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he comes to this world only to mature
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other mankind uh to get depression you
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know this is very interesting uh when we
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come to the last of the volume then
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we'll be discussing all the things okay
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so when we go to the fifth volume you
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will talk more about kalki is this you
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will describe a lot about kalki that's
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very interesting well
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um please elaborate about the hate
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Dharma uh Kings and the list of kalki
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Kings please
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there is no mention of Dharma Kings
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yeah okay then there is no mention of uh
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you know the list over 20 now only
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mentions about 25 kalki Kings brain of
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25 Kings and it does not name the kalki
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Kings to only two kalki kings have been
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named the first yes and the last radical
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key so now let us come to the world from
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the list have come these lists have come
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from the vimal prabha commentary and
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what is vimal prabha vimal prabha is the
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first community on the culture country
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it was written by poonrik and a real day
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at the entire you know there are our few
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beef defaulty translation starts so in
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one of the brief brief uh third brief
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writes about list the eight Dharma Kings
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and these are first Dharma King is
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assume that uh Surah suration with
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um
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and then
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I think it should as well so there are
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these are seven and eight kalki King is
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yes then again it's Dharma King then you
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just see there are in a way two lists
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there are eight Dharma King and 25 kalki
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Kings so eighth Dharma King is yes and
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he is also the first king okay
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and after the end of 25 kalki Kings then
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the last kalki comes so that means
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33rd in the list because we have got
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seven Dharma King then 25 Kal kicking
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yes is in both places so 32 and then the
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last kicking rudely kalki come so he
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will be 33rd he will not be 34th so
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there's a lot of confusion that whether
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he 25th Kal kicking or 26th or 26.
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clearly mentions he will come after the
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end of our end of the reign of 25th
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kalki King that means he's at 26. okay
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so that that clears the confusion of
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very good thank you so much for
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clarifying that also that's very
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interesting and uh do you have the the
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names of the kalki kings in the tantras
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or is it seated only in the Velma
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commentary
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Dharma Kings
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it is uh again I I will say innovation
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of the vimal prabha
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um very well so what do you think the
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list is historical imaginary or a
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mixture of both
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I think it's a mixture of both
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and uh I need to go back a bit uh you
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know into the early tradition of
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Buddhism uh if you see uh we indeed
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Pali literature we have got the concept
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of seven
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Buddha okay that is in thehawad and then
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the Mayan literature comes with the ones
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that mentions about you know 29 Buddha
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Buddha
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so earlier seven Buddhas have been
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included included in and Gautam Buddha
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Muni Buddha 24th after deepankar okay
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there are three Buddhas
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then the last 24th is
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um
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at the total 29. so I think similar list
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you just say 7 and is 24 that had been
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just increased by one eight and 25 I
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think they have adopted from the past
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literature and it's quite Innovative but
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when we go through the list of kalki
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Kings then something very surprising
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comes like I I will just
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be used and I'm just we have got uh this
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is one two three four five six seven
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seven
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oh he is a historic personality because
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he was the last Gupta emperor
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okay
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then we have got
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16th 16th kalki King in mahipal so
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mahipal is again a historic King okay
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and it is during the last phage of
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mahipal's rule that culture texts were
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written so that is mentioned by the
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taranas also so mahipal is a historic
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figure but he his name has been put into
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the list of
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yes so you just see here is we can't say
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it's purely imaginary because they are
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putting up the book talking because
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historic uh King so because we find the
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mention of Hari Vikram uh calendar I
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have a reign of Hari Vikram in the vimal
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prabhat manuscript itself
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you know give some mixture of some
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historical Kings they are placing and
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some literature they are taking in fact
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what I have argued in the book that
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suchanda himself is a historic King and
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he ruled arakan region so that I have
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discussed while relocating our sambala
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in real geography so yes the first
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Dharma King himself is a historic figure
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and then we have got a Vishnu historic
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figure mahipal historic figure three
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parts historic figure so it's a mixture
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of both yes it's a mix of both plan
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no very good and can you please uh share
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with us a bit more about the future uh
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rudra kalki please
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oh
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um
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we just discussed that he will come
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after 25 kalki King and
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he will be waging a war against the uh
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barbarians and at some places he said
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that the barbarians are from Makkah
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foreign
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this calendar is coming Islamic calendar
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so and that is counted not as 622 but at
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6 24. now what the typical tradition is
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doing they are just adding 100 years for
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each kalki King sure see from time of
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King Yesa they are just adding 800 years
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took place
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till hijri calendar came in 6 24. so
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after that there are again you see 1700
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years you have to add four remaining uh
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17 kalki King that become 23 24 and then
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so that way and then they wrote a kalki
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king comes a hit the 26th or he comes in
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24 24. it is what they are saying but
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now let us examine see where King
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mahipal we know he's a historical man
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where he stands because Comfort during
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my past time and this Kal chakra Tantra
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was composed a bit of in 1027 A.D the
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composition started because this has
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been mentioned in the Thunder itself
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Stars
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and this done that has been composed
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during my past time and we know that
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when mahipal was during uh the 1030s and
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he uh left it he died in 10 30 uh 10 36
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30 and 10 37 so that is there is a
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confusion of one two year candle 10 36
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10 37. so my pal dies in the year 1037
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and my pulse is at what number in the
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kalki Kings my apology
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I took some
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so even if you you add hundred years
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each for one kalki Kings then it become
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one thousand years yeah if my pal died
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at around 10 30 uh sixth ten thirty
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seventy then the time of the last
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that falls in 2030 2035 so my own
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calculation based on culture countries
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that is
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already arrived okay
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no need to wait for 24 24 A.D by that
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time our world will be controlled by
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artificial intelligence
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very Fringe element there so the time is
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ripe at palti Tantra and this whole uh I
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will say winner of 24 24 80 based upon
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you know misinterpretation and uh
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ignorant reading of the text like
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Messengers misinterpretation and
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ignorant reading of the text in your
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opinion right
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yeah
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okay so by your readings is
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to emerge and this is the time
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The Power of Now yes so when do you when
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do you view such possibilities
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so while going through you know because
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in culture
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they always talks about balance the
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Middle Point uh it may be in time it may
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be in breathing in anything the middle
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point of any system so if we see the
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movement
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our planetary movements and all these
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things so basically it is Equinox which
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is a very important
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because days and nights are equal yes
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and we have got only two such days okay
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so I myself think if on an equinox there
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is a solar eclipse that is the more
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powerful time to uh you know practice
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culture
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okay
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so I was just going through when uh do
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we have any solar eclipse coming in near
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future uh which is on Equinox day either
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either it is a spring equinox all the
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Autumn Equinox I have seen uh from the
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massage catalog of solar eclipses for
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future also so I found that in the year
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2034 on 20th month we have uh this
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Equinox and on same day we have got a
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very powerful total solar eclipse and
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solar eclipse takes place only in a
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build uh band you know yes I will sit
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like this across the globe
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so this belt this solar eclipse of 2034
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it passes through ladakh Indian ladakh
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and a part of the but basically it
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covers uh Africa whole of Africa and uh
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South Atlantic so it's like that but it
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uh naturally you don't have this Masters
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in Pakistan yeah passing through
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Pakistan so yes for us like even if the
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solar eclipse is passing through
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Pakistan on an equinox date it is not
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that much important but passing through
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ladakh that makes it very important
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because
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you know it is all it has been a
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crossroad of uh civilization also and um
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many of the
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texts or things in the culture so my own
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interpretation is that these were
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composed in ladakh oh the solar eclipse
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of March 2034 so that is going to be
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very important for a culture
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practitioner and we don't know what is
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going to happen from ladakh but
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is going to give a surprise he's going
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to give us surprises so do you think
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this is the reason for his Holiness the
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Dalai Lama to camp in ladakh for a month
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annually since last one and a half
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decades
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his Holiness has been wasting ladakh
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almost every year from 2008. yes and
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this year he stayed more than a month
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earlier he used to stay only for a month
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but and in 2014 he held out huge uh
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culture
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initiation ceremony there
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and in fact there is a culture ground
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also in lay in lay and that is how that
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is that is a huge ground in the save of
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kalchakramanda so we don't know but uh
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his Holiness may be having some inkling
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uh about the future of ladakh and his
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connection with kalchakra so what we
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don't know their masters yes
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yes so so possibly they have foreseen
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the arising and the preparing the place
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for his arrival
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possibly it is possible is it possible
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he has the inkling and therefore uh
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ladakh is very important for uh
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Himalayan Buddhists nowadays yes I
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understand yes I think maybe yes
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so will it be punching llama six punch
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and llama is claimed to have stated that
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you will be born as the last kalki king
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us
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oh
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Lamar said a lot of things and in one of
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the talks I have discussed how his
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sambala alamik so that is not even
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originally travel account but that is
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based upon uh the clever looks which he
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has been you know narrated by Gosai
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monks mendicant from India
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um
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so um but he popular popularized uh this
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call chapter system a lot now you see
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panchalama he belonged to the Gallup
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tradition and he sometimes came he's a
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king Yesa and uh and then he'll be the
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last king also on the other hand when we
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see Mongolia and we know that sambala in
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Mongolia at its uh uh
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kamarkin Monastery in the Gobi desert
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you know that is
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so their prediction is that the last
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root calculator the large culture he'll
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be a you know elimination of uh Guru
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Padma sambhav so it's so much confusion
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but I don't foresee that punching Lama
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becoming because uh this galuk tradition
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that did not have much to do with
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culture tradition okay so okay it was
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being carried by basically by you know
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older traditions and then yes
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maybe it's a bit of a myth it's not
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proper based on facts is this right okay
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I won't say anything I will take it was
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just a political tool oh this is very
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funny the some of the Lama uh when uh or
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in the early 20th century so they were
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promoting King jar at the last at his
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white kalki okay and Russia communist
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Russia and sambala and we are finding
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this
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They are promoting Japan at sambala
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there's so much confusion
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these are only political user okay if
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you want to you know win the support of
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the Kings then you say you will be the
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here is the king and here it is
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I understand yes it's not based on facts
00:29:11
at all it's just a political tool let's
00:29:13
say
00:29:14
very good so are there very many I mean
00:29:19
are there more storytelling what you
00:29:22
valari claims about the propensity of
00:29:25
human Minds
00:29:27
yes it's like a storytelling only this
00:29:29
even the whole myth of sambala so I will
00:29:33
say
00:29:36
some is happiness some is peace also
00:29:40
some so some some
00:29:48
so somebody to describing have a state
00:29:51
of Happiness describing peace he said
00:29:54
just you know okay
00:29:56
visualization about a utopian world
00:29:59
where there is prosperity peace people
00:30:01
are happy people are Liberty so I will
00:30:05
say in a way of all the things are yes
00:30:07
part of Storytelling but the story to
00:30:10
help us to uh you know live life and rap
00:30:14
through this uh yes so much
00:30:17
uncertainties in life so those are also
00:30:20
essential things yes so okay very good
00:30:24
my last question do you think the text
00:30:28
was thought to King suchandra by
00:30:31
shakyamuni Buddha himself uh has
00:30:34
consciously preached by his Holiness the
00:30:36
Dalai Lama the greatest kalashaka master
00:30:38
of all times
00:30:43
fear I don't foresee that sakamuni
00:30:46
Buddha in please this text Vision being
00:30:50
this Tech talks about Islamic calendar
00:30:52
the Islamic calendar but not during this
00:30:54
talks about Baghdad Baghdad was founded
00:30:58
in 8th Century then it talks about so
00:31:02
many other things which are in fact
00:31:05
historical things okay and these only
00:31:08
came during the medieval period so I
00:31:11
don't think what his Holiness said that
00:31:14
this was taught by uh satmuni Buddha
00:31:18
himself at the dhanak near amravati so I
00:31:22
don't agree with that because they text
00:31:25
uh itself revealed that it was and when
00:31:28
the tax itself says it is composed in
00:31:30
1027 A.D it is written in that 26 verse
00:31:34
of the text okay 403 years after this
00:31:37
uh here's the calendar okay
00:31:42
this text is being composed so it cannot
00:31:45
be taught by a SAT money Buddha I
00:31:48
understand I see very good so cannot be
00:31:53
taught by Buddha
00:31:56
interesting wow I'm very curious uh I
00:32:00
think for today we stay here in this
00:32:03
question because I don't want to lose
00:32:06
the enthusiasm for the next interview
00:32:09
and I think we have so much to talk
00:32:11
about this and to learn from you and
00:32:13
from your uh translation of these
00:32:16
volumes that is simply amazing you see
00:32:18
that is bringing new facts to what we
00:32:20
know about the color Shaka Tantra so I
00:32:24
would like to thank you for your time
00:32:25
and for your kindness and generosity and
00:32:27
sharing all your knowledge through your
00:32:30
volumes of the kalashaka Tantra And
00:32:32
discussing this first volume with me and
00:32:35
with set for projects and uh I will take
00:32:40
this opportunity to again invite you for
00:32:43
a third one where we'll maybe talk about
00:32:45
your second volume what do you think
00:32:47
about this
00:32:50
we can talk about no there are so many
00:32:52
things to talk within first volume
00:32:54
itself to maybe some aspect in the first
00:32:57
volume we can talk
00:32:59
okay then we can we can keep the next
00:33:02
the next surprise uh for the next
00:33:06
interview about the first volume uh yes
00:33:09
wonderful so it will be a pleasure to
00:33:11
meet you again and to have you again
00:33:13
talking about your uh your uh studies
00:33:17
about this uh volume and uh the the
00:33:21
perfect translation you did uh from the
00:33:24
original Sanskrit text so thank you so
00:33:28
much sriniraj Kumar for your time and
00:33:31
all the best and I hope we can meet each
00:33:34
other very soon in India I do
00:33:36
aspirations for that thank you very much
00:33:39
Sonia ji for uh providing this platform
00:33:41
to share whatsoever I'm learning with a
00:33:45
wider community and let us make this
00:33:48
world a more happier you know and better
00:33:52
world
00:33:53
thank you thank you so much Namaste and
00:33:57
have a good evening and thank you so
00:33:59
much for your time Namaste namaste
