🎵 Pythagorean tuning

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摘要

TLDRThe video delves into Pythagorean tuning, an ancient system based on simple string length ratios, primarily focusing on the perfect fifth, derived from a 2:3 ratio, and the octave, with a 1:2 ratio. Pythagorean tuning emphasizes consonant intervals, unlike the equal temperament system in modern Western music. The host explains how notes in the Pythagorean scale are constructed using repeated fifths and provides mathematical insights into the process. While introducing historical context, the video contrasts this tuning with the modern equal temperament system and mentions the Pythagorean comma and "wolf intervals" as issues to be explored further. Demonstrations are given on both keyboard and guitar to highlight how different ratios affect musical notes.

心得

  • 🎹 Equal temperament is used in modern Western music.
  • 🎶 Pythagorean tuning is based on simple string length ratios.
  • 🎵 Perfect consonances include the octave and the fifth.
  • 📏 The fifth is derived from a 2:3 ratio.
  • 🎸 String length affects musical intervals and consonance.
  • 🔍 Historical context highlights Pythagorean tuning's significance.
  • 🧮 Constructing the scale involves multiplying by 3/2 for fifths.
  • 🔄 Constrasts are drawn with equal temperament tuning.
  • ⚠️ Pythagorean tuning has issues like the comma and wolf interval.
  • 📚 Next video will explore Pythagorean comma and wolf intervals further.

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    In the last video, equal temperament tuning, which is the predominant system in modern Western music, was discussed. Developed in the late 1500s, it is one of several families of tuning systems. This segment introduces another system, Pythagorean tuning, which emphasizes intervals like the perfect octave and perfect fifth due to their consonant qualities. The interval of a fifth is highlighted as a perfect consonant interval, in contrast to second and seventh intervals, which are dissonant. The focus shifts to how the physical properties of strings, particularly tension and vibration points, explain these intervals' qualities, with a demonstration on a guitar showing how stopping a string at certain points creates these intervals.

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    By stopping a vibrating string at various fractional lengths, the Greeks discovered consonant intervals, most importantly, the octave and fifth, due to their simple ratios (1:2 for octave and 2:3 for fifth). Pythagorean tuning constructs scales beginning with a base frequency (here, middle C) and uses these ratios to determine the pitch of other notes. The video explains Pythagorean tuning through sequential fifths, comparing it with equal temperament, noting small differences between the two scales' frequencies. Despite these differences, the Pythagorean scale builds upon simple numerical relationships within a musical context, although upcoming issues like the Pythagorean comma and wolf interval are noted for future discussion.

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视频问答

  • What is equal temperament?

    Equal temperament is the tuning system used in virtually all modern Western music.

  • What is Pythagorean tuning?

    Pythagorean tuning is an ancient tuning system based on the interval of a fifth.

  • Why can't you play a Pythagorean scale on a modern keyboard?

    The modern keyboard is tuned to equal temperament, which differs from Pythagorean tuning.

  • What makes the interval of a fifth special in Pythagorean tuning?

    It's based on a simple ratio of 2 to 3, aligning with the natural consonant sounds.

  • What are the perfect consonances in music?

    The octave and the fifth are considered perfect consonances.

  • What did Pythagoras discover about musical intervals?

    He discovered that simple ratios of string lengths produce consonant sounds.

  • How are musical notes produced in Pythagorean tuning?

    By raising fifths from a starting note and adjusting octaves accordingly.

  • How do you calculate the frequency of a note in Pythagorean tuning?

    By multiplying the starting frequency by 3/2 for a fifth and adjusting by octaves.

  • Are Pythagorean and equal temperament frequencies similar?

    They are similar but slightly different due to the tuning methods.

  • What topics will the next video address?

    The next video will discuss the Pythagorean comma and wolf interval issues.

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    in the last video I was talking about
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    equal temperament which is the tuning
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    system used in virtually all modern
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    Western music and it was developed in
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    the late 1500s before that there were
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    two other families of tuning system one
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    of which is called just intonation and
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    I'm gonna be talking about that in a
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    future video the other one is called
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    Pythagorean tuning and that's the one
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    I'm going to be dealing with today so to
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    get a start to understanding what
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    Pythagorean tuning is all about I want
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    to take you first of all over to the
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    keyboard so here's our keyboard and the
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    first thing I should point out is that I
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    can't play a Pythagorean scale on this
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    keyboard because it's tuned to equal
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    temperament but what it can do is show
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    you a few things that will lead us on
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    the path to understanding how
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    Pythagorean tuning works so I want to
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    focus on the scale of C major which
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    starts on C and goes up on the white
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    notes that's why I'm using C major don't
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    have to use the black notes I can just
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    go straight up on the white notes so c d
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    e f g a b c brings me back to C so
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    that's the familiar doremi far so a lot
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    you know
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    okay now that interval there the octave
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    is what we call consonant consonant just
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    means that it the notes fit together
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    really well the term that's used is
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    stable
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    that's considered a stable interval
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    because it doesn't want to go anywhere
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    you're already where you want to be the
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    other very stable and perfectly
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    consonant interval is v which is the 5th
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    note of the scale so which would be so
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    so
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    that one there so that is called a
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    perfect countenance and the fifth is
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    also called a perfect consonants now
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    contrast that with the second so that's
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    the one and two notes played together
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    kind of jarring you know they don't sit
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    well together you really want to go to
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    another note like this for example which
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    is the third also the seventh interval
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    that's almost worse doesn't mean you
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    can't use it in music it's just that
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    when you play those two in isolation
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    it's very very dissonant the term we use
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    is dissonant so we have consonant and
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    dissonant so you really want to go from
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    that to that
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    that's the stable sound so we've got two
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    distances there the second and the
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    seventh we've got two perfect
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    consonances the octave and the fifth
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    we've also got a few others we've got
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    the third and that sounds nice together
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    but that's called an imperfect
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    consonants with any of the fourth which
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    again that's fine but that's regarded as
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    dissonant in some context and consonant
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    in others and then we've got the sixth
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    which also sounds fine that's regarded
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    as an imperfect consonants as well
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    and then of course we get eventually
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    back to the octave again so some
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    intervals are dissonant some are quite
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    stable and are regarded as imperfect
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    consonances and some are very stable in
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    fact the two that are very stable are
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    the octave and the fifth so what's so
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    special about this interval the fifth is
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    it just some quirkiness of our brains
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    that make it seem like a pleasant
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    interval to hear or is there something
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    more fundamental well to understand that
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    I'm gonna switch instruments now
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    to a guitar because the beauty of the
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    guitar is that we can actually see the
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    things that are vibrating and namely the
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    strings and when we look at the
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    vibrating strings will understand a
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    little bit more about the the physics of
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    what's going on with these notes so
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    here's our guitar with its six strings
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    in a state of tension and if I play one
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    of the strings it vibrates between two
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    points one of the points is the bridge
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    down here and the other one at the other
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    end of the fretboard is the nut down
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    here so the string is vibrating between
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    those two points now what I'm going to
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    do is press the string down at its
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    halfway point and the halfway point is
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    here and if I play it here this is what
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    it sounds like there's the open string
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    there I'm pressing it down here
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    this point here is exactly halfway along
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    the string so it's the same distance
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    down to the bridge in this direction as
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    it is from the fret that's this piece of
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    metal here to the nut down here so the
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    string is being pressed at its halfway
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    point to get the octave now remember the
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    octave is one of the perfect consonances
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    of the scale the other one is the fifth
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    and I've marked on the notes of the
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    major scale here second third fourth
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    fifth sixth seventh and then up to the
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    octave so let me just play that whole
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    scale for you so here's the open note
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    Sol mi sol La Ti you'll see that I've
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    marked on a couple of distances to the
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    octave it's 32 point five centimeters in
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    other words the distance from the nut to
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    this fret here where the octave sounds
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    is 32 point five centimeters the
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    distance to the fifth
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    is 21.5 centimeters now I'm going to use
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    my trusty calculator to divide these two
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    lengths so thirty two point five divided
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    by twenty one point five equals one
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    point five a little bit now I measured
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    these distances with a tape measure so I
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    can't guarantee you they're accurate to
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    you know a millimeter they're probably a
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    little bit out but that number there is
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    very close to one and a half so here
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    we've got a diagram that just summarizes
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    what we've been seeing on the guitar
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    that if you have a string and you stop
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    it halfway along you're produced an
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    octave so that's the simplest ratio is
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    is want to giving you the octave which
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    is one of the perfect consonances and if
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    you stop the string two thirds of the
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    way along you produce a fifth which is
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    the next simplest ratio two to three and
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    is the other perfect consonants and also
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    the next one if we continue it if we
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    stop the string three quarters of the
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    way along so we have a ratio of three to
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    four would produce a 1/4 now the Greeks
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    of course didn't know all that we know
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    about science and acoustics and
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    frequencies and the way sound waves work
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    but they did have stringed instruments
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    and they could experiment with strings
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    and they made this discovery that if you
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    divide the string up in these simple
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    ratios you get the most consonant sounds
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    Pythagoras and his followers were
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    obsessed by numbers and their
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    relationship with the real world so when
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    they made this discovery that the fifth
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    that's the most consonant interval
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    together with the octave correspond to a
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    vibrating string stopped in this simple
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    ratio of two to three they decided to
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    base their whole system of tuning on the
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    fifth and I want to quickly show you now
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    how how this works so let's see if we
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    can construct
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    the scale of c-major using Pythagorean
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    tuning we're going to start at C and
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    we'll just choose a frequency and the
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    frequency will uses is middle C which is
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    260 one point six cycles per second or
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    Hertz so that's gonna be our starting
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    point now on the Pythagorean scale the
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    first thing to do is to raise that by
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    1/5 which means multiplying by 3 over 2
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    so that gets us to this point here and
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    the note G on the Pythagorean scale how
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    do we produce our next note on the
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    Pythagorean scale well we start from
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    here and we raise it by another fifth
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    that means multiplying by 3 over 2 again
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    but now we've multiplied by 3 over 2
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    times 3 over 2 that's 9 over 4 and 9
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    over 4 is bigger than 2 so it pushes it
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    into the next octave and we don't want
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    that we want to be in this octave so how
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    do we get the corresponding note in this
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    octave from the one we've ended up in in
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    the octave above well we have to divide
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    by 2 because all the frequencies in this
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    octave are half the frequencies in this
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    one so overall we've multiplied by 3
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    over 2 but then we've had to multiply by
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    1/2 to get us back into this octave the
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    corresponding note in this octave well
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    if we've already multiplied by 3 over 2
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    at this point and we then multiply it by
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    another 3 over 2 but then by 1/2 overall
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    from this point we've multiplied by 3
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    over 4 which is the same as dropping by
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    1/4 so going up by 1/5 and then dropping
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    an octave is the same as dropping a
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    fourth from your starting point so now
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    overall we've gone 3 over 2 times 3 over
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    2 times 1/2 so overall it's as if we
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    started at C and multiplied by 9 over 8
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    whichever way you want to think of it we
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    end up at
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    this point here now starting at this
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    point we multiplied by 3 over 2 which
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    gets us to here now that's fine because
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    if we're still in the same octave so
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    that's the next note on our Pythagorean
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    scale to get the next one we multiply by
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    another 3 over 2 but now we have the
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    same problem because we end up in this
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    octave so then we have to multiply by
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    1/2 so again is the same as this process
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    here effectively starting here we
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    descend by 1/4 to get to the next note
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    on our scale then we multiply by 3 over
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    2 again
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    to get the be on our Pythagorean scale
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    and finally this is really the oddball
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    one instead of going up and then back
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    down we start at the C and we actually
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    descend by 1/5 and then add an octave
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    which is the same as starting from here
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    and adding 1/4 or multiplying by 4 4
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    over 3 so these are the ratios for
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    producing all of the different notes on
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    the Pythagorean scale starting from C
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    and you'll notice that the frequencies
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    that we end up with for example the D on
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    the Pythagorean scale having started at
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    middle C is close to that on the equal
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    temperament scale but not quite the same
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    and in fact you'll notice that all of
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    the frequencies on the Pythagorean scale
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    are a little bit different than the
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    equal temperament scale that we use
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    today not tremendously different we've
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    got four 93.9 4 96.7 4 G we've got three
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    nine three point zero three nine two
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    point four so there's not a huge
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    difference and if these scales were
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    played separately you probably wouldn't
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    really notice much of a difference but
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    certainly if these two notes were played
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    together then you would you would detect
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    a difference between them okay well
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    we've construct
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    the Pythagorean scale of c-major based
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    on repeated use of fifths you might want
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    to replay the last part of this video
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    and maybe go through the calculations
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    yourself to make sure you've understood
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    them what I haven't mentioned so far are
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    the problems with Pythagorean tuning
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    such things as the Pythagorean comma and
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    the dreaded wolf interval I'll be
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    talking about these in the next video
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    thanks for watching and I'll see you
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    next time
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    [Music]
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    you
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