Are Catholics right about PRAYING to Mary? | Sam Shamoun

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摘要

TLDRThis dialogue explores the role of Mary and the saints within the Catholic faith, particularly how they assist believers through intercessory prayer. It argues that individuals often leave Catholicism due to a lack of understanding of church teachings and history. The discussion defends praying to Mary and the saints as legitimate practices supported by Scripture, highlighting biblical references that affirm their ability to intercede. It also clarifies misconceptions about worship, asserting that seeking intercession is not the same as worship. The conversation references several passages from the Bible to underscore these points.

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  • 🙏 Intercessory prayer through Mary is understood as a biblical practice.
  • 📖 Many who leave the Church lack deep knowledge of its teachings.
  • ✨ The righteous in heaven can intercede for those on earth.
  • 📜 The rosary incorporates scriptural elements and is rooted in the history of prayer.
  • ✨ James 5:13-16 emphasizes the power of prayers among the righteous.
  • 🚫 Asking saints for prayers is not considered worship or idolatry.
  • 🌌 Heaven includes awareness of earthly matters among the saints.
  • 🤝 Calling upon saints for prayer reflects a communal faith experience.
  • ⚡ The belief in the communion of saints unites heaven and earth in prayer.
  • 🎓 Understanding of church history can lead individuals back to their faith.

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  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The speaker discusses the reasons some individuals leave the Catholic or Orthodox faith, attributing it to ignorance and lack of understanding of church history and biblical depth. The speaker notes that highly educated individuals often return to these faiths after studying church history and the Bible, recognizing their previous misconceptions.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The conversation continues to involve the issue of praying to Mary, with the speaker arguing that the absence of evidence in the Bible does not equate to a condemnation of the practice. They point out that many important biblical concepts require inference rather than explicit mention in Scripture.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    The speaker shares biblical references emphasizing the importance of prayer within the community, such as Ephesians 6:19-20 and James 5:13-20, asserting that prayer among believers strengthens faith and reflects their connection with the divine.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    The discussion shifts to the nature of prayer and intercession, reflecting on the effectiveness of prayers based on righteousness. The speaker argues that the saints in heaven, being perfected, have prayers that are more powerful and aligned with God's intentions than those of individuals still on Earth.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    The speaker introduces the idea that individuals in heaven are aware of earthly matters and intercede for the living. They reference Hebrews 12:22-24 to demonstrate that those in heaven are actively engaged in worship and prayer, contributing to the ongoing connection with believers on Earth.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:30

    Finally, the speaker concludes by affirming the belief that both Mary and the saints can intercede for the living, using several biblical references to support the view of the communion of saints, clarifying that this practice does not contradict the existence of Jesus as the sole mediator.

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视频问答

  • Why do some people leave Catholicism or Orthodoxy?

    Many leave due to ignorance of their faith and lack of understanding of church history and the Bible.

  • What is the basis for praying to Mary?

    The Bible encourages believers to pray for one another, and Mary, being righteous in heaven, can intercede for us.

  • What scriptural evidence supports the use of the rosary?

    The rosary includes prayers rooted in Scripture, such as the "Hail Mary," which is based on Luke 1:28.

  • Does the Bible support praying for the dead?

    The Bible teaches that the righteous in heaven can intercede for those on earth.

  • How do saints in heaven know what is happening on Earth?

    The saints in heaven are believed to be aware of earthly events through God's revelation.

  • Is asking Mary or saints to pray considered worship?

    No, asking for intercessory prayer is not worship, as only God is to be worshipped.

  • What is the significance of James 5:13-16 in this discussion?

    The passage stresses the power of intercessory prayer, particularly from the righteous.

  • What does the term 'mediator' mean in this context?

    The discussion suggests Jesus is the primary mediator, but this doesn't exclude believers from intercessory roles.

  • What happens in heaven according to Scripture?

    Heaven is portrayed as a place of worship where the saints continue to intercede.

  • How does Revelation 6:9-11 contribute to this discussion?

    It shows that the souls in heaven are aware of earthly events and concerned for those still living.

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    praying to Mary or through Mary and the
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    rosary okay now you said they what few
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    who like few people I know they left uh
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    Catholicism they left because they're
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    ignorant they don't know their faith
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    that's the sad thing you know most
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    people that leave Orthodox or Catholic
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    they do not know about the ancient
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    church or no know the Bible the great
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    depth this is a fact don't take my word
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    for it guys test me on this people who
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    leave the Orthodox Catholic are people
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    who are poorly catechized and yet the
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    people that convert back to Orthodoxy or
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    Catholic are people who are Highly
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    Educated who after studying church
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    history in the Bible after many years
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    realize they were mistaken and either go
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    back to the Catholic or Orthodox Church
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    do you know that's a fact I didn't know
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    that this is a fact I'm not lying guys
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    I'm not lying it is a fact that those
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    who leave the Catholic Church Orthodox
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    Church like when I left thean church is
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    because we knew nothing about the
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    ancient Church the beliefs of the
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    Christians for the first 300 years and
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    didn't really know the Bible the great
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    depth so we just read the Bible surface
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    level we left but then you hear about
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    thousands in the west thousands going
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    back to the Catholic church because the
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    Catholic church is better known in the
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    west than the Orthodox church and these
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    are people who after studying the Bible
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    and church history for years realize
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    they made a mistake and they go back now
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    to come back to the answering the
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    question they're telling you they had a
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    problem with praying to Mary why now why
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    do they have a problem with praying to
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    Mary um because they found nothing no
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    evidence in the Bible that said that um
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    Mary listens to the Lord ignorant
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    uninformed statement that's arguing from
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    Silence that's a bad way of arguing for
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    example if I follow that approach well
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    there's nothing in the Bible well that's
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    not the same thing as saying that the
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    Bible condemns it just because the Bible
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    doesn't mention something doesn't it
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    condemns it this is a bad way of
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    interpreting the Bible because a lot of
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    people can use that to prove too much
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    for example there's nowhere in the words
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    of Jesus where he says I am God or
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    worship me and there's nowhere in the
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    words of Jesus where he says that the
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    one God is the fatherly Spirit or
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    worship the father son holy spirit so if
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    I use that argument that means the
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    Trinity is not in the Bible which is how
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    Muslims argue Jo's Witnesses argue and
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    unitarians
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    argue to say that something's not in the
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    Bible is not the same thing as saying
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    that it's condemned in the
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    Bible to tell me it's condemned in the
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    Bible is one thing to tell me it's not
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    in the Bible is another because not
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    everything is in the Bible many things
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    in the Bible have to be inferred for
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    example if I had to ask you can you show
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    me where the Bible says do not snort
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    cocaine now why you laughing he's so
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    reminded but it didn't tell you that but
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    you extrapolated a principle so you just
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    Prov my point what did you do there's
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    nothing in the Bible that will condemn
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    something specifically but there are
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    principles in the Bible that you can
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    apply to address situations not
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    mentioned in the Bible you just did that
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    right yes okay now what's the basis for
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    praying for Mary number one does the
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    Bible say pray for one another yes it
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    does Ephesians 6:1 19-20 let me walk you
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    through this all right so let me now
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    walk you
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    into the way we come to and arrive at
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    the correct conclusion that the Blessed
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    Mother and the Saints can pray for us
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    are you ready
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    okay number one the Bible says pray for
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    one another Ephesians 61 19-
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    20 here Paul is asking the Christians to
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    do what for him Ephesians 6:1
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    19-2 are you want me to read it I mean
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    if you read in your heart I can't read
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    your heart I'm not in heaven
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    yet and for me that utterance may be
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    given to me this is a new King James and
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    by the way she's saying pray for me for
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    what and for me that utterance may be
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    given to me and that I may open my mouth
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    boldly to make known The Mystery of the
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    Gospel okay so he's asking you read
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    Ephesians 619 and 20 right that was 19 I
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    didn't read 208 then 20 for which I am
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    an ambassador in chains that I may speak
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    boldly as I ought to speak so Paul is
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    saying pray for me for boldness
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    right he we can pray for one another
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    Paul says pray for me right yes now go
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    to James 5 13 and20 pay attention James
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    5 1320 but specifically James 5 13- 16
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    James
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    5 follow how it
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    works take I'll start reading for you
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    all right I'm GNA start reading okay go
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    ahead go ahead okay hold on let me line
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    it up for you so that you know okay so
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    James 513- 20 and I got to line it up
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    all right well Les me over here okay is
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    any among you Afflicted let him pray
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    James 5:13 to20 I want to read Revis
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    Standard Version Catholic that you one
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    second is anyone among you suffering let
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    him pray is any cheerful let him pray
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    this is James 513- 20 specifically James
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    5 13- 16 but I'm going to read all let
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    him sing praise is any among you sick
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    let him call for the Elders of the
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    church let them pray over him anointing
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    him with oil in the name of the Lord and
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    the prayer of faith will save the sick
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    man and the the Lord will raise him up
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    and if he has committed sins he'll be
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    forgiven therefore confess your sins to
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    one another and pray for one another why
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    that you may be healed the prayer of a
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    righteous man has great power in its
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    effects okay did you catch it yes okay
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    it says when you are righteous the more
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    you submit to God the less you sin and
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    the more you obey the Holy Spirit the
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    more powerful your prayers that I I've
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    experienced that personally yeah yes I
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    agree with that in heaven those who are
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    alive in heaven are they perfect and
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    sinless no more sin well yes because
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    they're with the father are they
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    completely righteous so that they don't
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    have sin yes they are now if we assume
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    they're praying would that make their PR
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    prayers even more powerful than our than
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    our
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    prayers yes but they're not om omn
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    omnicient omnipresent change the
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    argument because Revelation 5:13 John
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    sees every creature praising God so he
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    om wait hold on re yes what I want to
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    say yes but no you don't have to be
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    omniscient all you need is an omniscient
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    God to make known to you that they're
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    praying and what they're saying so this
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    is a category error and it's a false
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    dilemma oh okay see that re it down for
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    me John says Revelation
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    5:13 and I heard every creature in
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    heaven on Earth beneath the Earth right
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    and all things in them I heard every
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    creature in heaven on Earth and the Seas
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    below and all things in them saying to
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    the one who sits on the throne and to
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    the lamb so he heard every creature in
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    all of creation so if I follow your
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    logic that means John is now omnipotent
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    omnicient but he was given this site you
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    just buried yourself so that means God
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    can give the Saints the knowledge that
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    you're asking them to pray
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    I'm I'm learning right
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    now don't worry I'm just challenging
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    right right right right makes sense
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    makes sense so going back to the issue
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    if they're alive and perfected in
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    heaven and the prayer of righteous man
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    will bring about great results so if
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    they're perfect and sinless how much
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    more powerful are their prayers a lot
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    more than mine I tell you now let me let
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    me then read on the rest of James
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    because he gives you an example of such
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    a person verse 17 Elijah was a man of
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    like nature he was a human like us right
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    with ourselves and he prayed fervently
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    that it might not rain and for three
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    years and six months it did not rain on
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    the earth then he prayed again and he
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    and the heaven gave rain and the Earth
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    brought forth its
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    fruit so number one we are to pray to
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    one another number two the more
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    righteous you are the less you sin the
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    more powerful your prayers happen to be
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    because in Deuteronomy 189 to14 it's
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    talking about the Pagan practice of
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    necromancy and contacting spirits to
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    enter you your body and channel through
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    you and speak through you as a medium as
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    a witch as a spiritist no one is asking
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    Mary to come and channel through them
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    and possess
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    them in order for Mary to speak through
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    them it's talking about specific Paving
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    practices where they would ask the
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    spirits of the Dead to channel through
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    them like a spiritist or a medium and
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    manifest and people do this to this day
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    they're called channelers where
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    supposedly the spirit comes over them
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    and then speaks through them and it's
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    not that person
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    anymore that's not communion Saints no
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    one is saying Mary come and channel
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    through me enter me and speak through
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    me and no one's going to a grave to
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    conjure up the spirit of the Dead to
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    then speak through them as a channel as
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    a witch as a medium learn the context
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    and the historical background now coming
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    back to the issue all right number
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    one we are to pray for another number
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    two the more righteous you are the more
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    effective your prayer right oh thank you
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    at least now you're saying okay now pray
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    for ihart Yeshua to because this
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    person's open to the truth may the Lord
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    Jesus Keep softening you opening your
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    heart destroy our pride bring you to the
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    truth okay glory to God there open so
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    miss quote 1 Timothy 25 I had high hopes
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    for you that came to my mind earlier
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    when uh before you brought up uh now I'm
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    going to answer it because he had this
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    in his mind now this is the one that
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    says one meter between God and man the
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    man Christ Jesus right yes all right if
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    this passage means that because Christ
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    is the one mediator we cannot mediate
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    and intercede you just destroyed the
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    Trinity can you tell me why wait what
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    you just destroyed the
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    Trinity for there is
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    one you just destroyed the Trinity oh oh
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    okay I I see what you mean now I see
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    what you mean went on yes because wait
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    the one God is who in this
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    verse God the Father say it again the
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    father God the father because Jesus
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    mediates between the one God right yes
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    yes so if Jesus being the one mediator
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    means there are no other mediators then
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    you just prove Jesus can't be God
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    because the one God is the father I'm
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    trying I'm trying to understand like my
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    brain is not clicking it's not clicking
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    because understand the argument because
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    Jesus is the one mediator means there
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    are no other mediators right right but
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    then if you're gonna be consistent well
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    if the one God is the father then Jesus
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    can't be God
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    either oh okay that see now that makes
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    sense that makes sense now you
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    understand that can't possibly be true
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    right yes but Jesus is his God thank you
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    why because we look at what the Bible
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    says as a whole MH and though here the
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    one God is the father other places tell
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    us that Jesus and are one with the
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    father so God the father being the one
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    God is not to the exclusion of the son
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    it's in Union with him right yes
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    likewise when it says one mediator the
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    context is about Paul encouraging
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    Christians to intercede for the
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    Salvation of people why because you have
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    one medium Ator who makes your prayers
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    effectual and acceptable to God so now
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    pray for people's salvation that's the
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    context let me show you okay okay okay
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    okay that makes sense let me show you
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    now but here let's see how it begins
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    okay here's the context you
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    ready 1 Timothy
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    21-5 watch this is the context 1 Timothy
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    21 1 and2 watch this is the context okay
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    first of all then I urge that
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    supplications prayers intercessions wait
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    Paul is talking to Christian saying make
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    intercession that's the context of 1
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    Timothy 2
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    yeah but wait isn't part of the role of
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    a mediator to intercede uhhuh so why is
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    Paul starting the chapter saying you
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    Christians intercede and pray for all
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    men
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    when he just will go on to say well you
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    only have one
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    mediator because that shows you don't
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    know how to read context what Paul is
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    saying is you need to intercede for all
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    people for their salvation and pray for
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    them to be saved because God wants them
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    to be saved and because you have one
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    mediator who makes your prayers
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    acceptable know that when you pray God
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    will
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    hear if you pray in Jesus name well that
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    that's your mediator he's the only one
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    who makes your prayers acceptable so him
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    being the one mediator isn't
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    discouraging you from interceding it's
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    encouraging you intercede pray cry out
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    for the Salvation of people because now
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    you're one mediator unites you to God
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    and makes your prayers intercession
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    acceptable and God will answer that's
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    the
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    context okay that let read rest of it so
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    you see I'm not making it up you're
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    making you're making sense right now
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    okay okay now let's continue reading
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    first of all then I urge that
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    supplications prayers intercessions
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    thanksgivings be made for all men for
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    kings and all who are in high positions
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    that we may lead a quiet and peaceful
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    life Godly respectable in every way so
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    now why does God want all believers to
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    intercede here's your answer God why do
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    you want me to intercede and pray here's
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    the answer you ready 1 Timothy
  • 00:14:24
    21-5 this is good and is acceptable in
  • 00:14:27
    the sight of God our savior
  • 00:14:29
    who desires all men to be saved and to
  • 00:14:31
    come to knowledge of the truth for there
  • 00:14:33
    is one God and there's one meter between
  • 00:14:34
    God and man the man Christ Jesus that's
  • 00:14:36
    the
  • 00:14:38
    context so what's the context telling
  • 00:14:41
    you you cannot pray or intercede or
  • 00:14:43
    mediate because you have one mediator or
  • 00:14:46
    is the context the opposite the opposite
  • 00:14:49
    pray
  • 00:14:51
    intercede mediate for the Salvation of
  • 00:14:54
    people knowing that God wants all people
  • 00:14:57
    saved so when you pray intercede for
  • 00:14:58
    their salvation that Delights God and
  • 00:15:01
    because of Jesus your mediator he makes
  • 00:15:03
    your prayers acceptable to God because
  • 00:15:06
    the Bible I know it doesn't contradict
  • 00:15:08
    itself it's always now did you
  • 00:15:11
    understand brother yes I'm not gonna lie
  • 00:15:14
    this uh open up like like zillion more
  • 00:15:18
    questions but I ain't gonna take up your
  • 00:15:19
    time because you're well I can't open a
  • 00:15:21
    zillion more questions if number one we
  • 00:15:24
    are to pray for one another intercede
  • 00:15:26
    for one another number two they are
  • 00:15:28
    perfect in heaven and the more righteous
  • 00:15:30
    you are the more powerful your prayers
  • 00:15:31
    right see that part I understand um what
  • 00:15:35
    I don't understand is the
  • 00:15:39
    rosary and well do you have hymns and
  • 00:15:44
    songs that you sing that are not in
  • 00:15:47
    scripture oh of course that's no not of
  • 00:15:50
    course wait wait wait why don't you
  • 00:15:52
    understand about the rosary when it's
  • 00:15:53
    based on scripture if you're saying you
  • 00:15:55
    want to find the exact form then you're
  • 00:15:59
    being inconsistent on it's because you
  • 00:16:00
    have a lot of songs and hymns that
  • 00:16:03
    people came up with that are not in
  • 00:16:05
    scripture see that's say I don't know I
  • 00:16:07
    don't I look I got my information from
  • 00:16:11
    Tik Tok which is why I'm here but that's
  • 00:16:13
    what I'm trying to tell you uhuh the
  • 00:16:15
    principle is not whether the exact
  • 00:16:18
    prayer is found in scripture whether the
  • 00:16:20
    prayer doesn't contradict scripture and
  • 00:16:23
    it's faithful to the teaching of
  • 00:16:25
    scripture and let me tell you the part
  • 00:16:27
    of the Rosary which is scripture Hail
  • 00:16:29
    Mary full of grace that's Luke 1
  • 00:16:32
    128 in your translation you're going to
  • 00:16:35
    read it's going to say hail Mary highly
  • 00:16:37
    favored but let me show you other
  • 00:16:40
    translations said Luke 128 L 128 here
  • 00:16:44
    let me show it to you let's
  • 00:16:47
    see okay let me show you here all right
  • 00:16:51
    I'm ready go ahead go ahead Luke 128 and
  • 00:16:54
    he came to her and said hail full of
  • 00:16:55
    grace the Lord is with you that's Hail
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    Mary full of grace
  • 00:16:59
    hail full of grace the Lord is with you
  • 00:17:02
    that's one right yeah mine says and
  • 00:17:05
    having come in the angel said to her
  • 00:17:07
    Rejoice highly favored one the Lord is
  • 00:17:09
    so many I know because your Protestant
  • 00:17:12
    Bibles uhuh being reactionary to the
  • 00:17:15
    Catholic Church will
  • 00:17:17
    translate many as highly favored as
  • 00:17:20
    opposed to filled with grace that's
  • 00:17:22
    irrelevant to the fact that this is
  • 00:17:24
    based on scripture in other words the
  • 00:17:28
    terms
  • 00:17:29
    full of grace is a translation of Luke
  • 00:17:35
    128 that's why I just showed you R
  • 00:17:37
    Standard Version Catholic edition notice
  • 00:17:40
    that Greek word they render full of
  • 00:17:42
    grace because they are not reacting
  • 00:17:45
    against the Catholic church so they're
  • 00:17:47
    rendering it as it can be rendered
  • 00:17:50
    filled with
  • 00:17:52
    grace so that's one it comes from Luke 1
  • 00:17:55
    128 Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is
  • 00:17:58
    with thee
  • 00:18:00
    now where do we get the Lord is with
  • 00:18:01
    thee okay are you ready you
  • 00:18:03
    ready uhhuh all right Luke
  • 00:18:07
    1 28 to 30 1 second and 40 to 1 second
  • 00:18:11
    the cat needs
  • 00:18:12
    attention all right read with me
  • 00:18:17
    okay right there in 28 what does it say
  • 00:18:20
    does it say Lord is with thee with you
  • 00:18:23
    yes it does okay whether your
  • 00:18:25
    translation says highly favored or full
  • 00:18:27
    of grace the word many can be rendered
  • 00:18:31
    Full of Grace So when you say Hail Mary
  • 00:18:33
    full of grace they're citing Luke 1
  • 00:18:37
    128 okay now when it says blessed art
  • 00:18:40
    thou amongst women and blessed is the
  • 00:18:42
    fruit of thy womb Jesus all right now
  • 00:18:44
    here Luke 1 142
  • 00:18:47
    okay all right it's on the screen again
  • 00:18:49
    and she exclaimed with a loud cry
  • 00:18:52
    blessed are you among woman and blessed
  • 00:18:54
    is the fruit of your
  • 00:18:56
    womb so the first part of the Rosary is
  • 00:18:59
    in the New
  • 00:19:01
    Testament now the second part holy Mary
  • 00:19:04
    Mother of God pray for us sinners now
  • 00:19:06
    and at the hour of our death okay is
  • 00:19:09
    Mary
  • 00:19:11
    holy oh now she is I mean Oh you mean on
  • 00:19:14
    Earth she was sinful and wicked and
  • 00:19:15
    immoral no I didn't say that don't is
  • 00:19:18
    Mary holy yes I'll say yes so Holy Mary
  • 00:19:22
    do you
  • 00:19:23
    object no mother of God is she not the
  • 00:19:27
    mother of God yeah yes so what parts of
  • 00:19:31
    those prayer do you have a problem with
  • 00:19:34
    the only problem you're going to have is
  • 00:19:35
    pray for a sinners now at the hour of
  • 00:19:37
    death but that's the debate isn't it can
  • 00:19:38
    she pray for us or not well that's
  • 00:19:41
    something that I have to do more
  • 00:19:42
    research in yes and that's what I'm
  • 00:19:44
    trying to show you those in heaven are
  • 00:19:46
    aware of what's taking place on Earth
  • 00:19:47
    and they
  • 00:19:50
    pray did you know they're having Church
  • 00:19:52
    in
  • 00:19:54
    heaven I forgot where I read I know
  • 00:19:56
    that's somewhere in the Bible Hebrews 12
  • 00:20:00
    22 to 24 now you want to open up your
  • 00:20:03
    Bible too no no no go go ahead Hebrews
  • 00:20:08
    1222 to 24 uhuh now let me ask you
  • 00:20:11
    something what do people do in the
  • 00:20:13
    church
  • 00:20:15
    um do they pray for people oh yes I
  • 00:20:19
    thought you talk they worship God they
  • 00:20:20
    sing but do they pray for people yes
  • 00:20:23
    okay here you go Hebrews 12:22 to 24 but
  • 00:20:26
    you have come to Mount Zion and to the
  • 00:20:28
    city of the Living God the heavenly
  • 00:20:30
    Jerusalem this is heaven right yes and
  • 00:20:33
    to innumerable angels and fesal
  • 00:20:35
    Gathering and to the Church of the
  • 00:20:37
    firstborn meaning the Church of those
  • 00:20:39
    who first believe because it's plural
  • 00:20:41
    who are who are enrolled in heaven and
  • 00:20:44
    to a judge who is God of all and the
  • 00:20:46
    spirits of just men made perfect and to
  • 00:20:49
    Jesus the medeor of a New Covenant and
  • 00:20:51
    to the sprinkled blood that speaks more
  • 00:20:53
    graciously than the blood of Abel so
  • 00:20:55
    they're having Church in
  • 00:20:56
    heaven yes and those spirits who died
  • 00:21:00
    they're in
  • 00:21:01
    heaven yes are they
  • 00:21:04
    perfect yes made perfect how powerful
  • 00:21:07
    are your
  • 00:21:09
    prayers powerful like it says in in
  • 00:21:12
    church they pray and they're having
  • 00:21:14
    Church in
  • 00:21:15
    heaven they're not praying they are
  • 00:21:19
    because at church you pray but in church
  • 00:21:20
    you pray for the Lost Sinners
  • 00:21:23
    right yes and you pray for your brothers
  • 00:21:26
    sisters in Christ right yes okay so what
  • 00:21:28
    are they doing in heaven cap
  • 00:21:31
    dancing they're praying I mean I I would
  • 00:21:35
    have thought I would have thought you
  • 00:21:36
    know since they're in heaven they're in
  • 00:21:37
    God's presence they just gonna be
  • 00:21:38
    glorifying him all day so you
  • 00:21:42
    mean that if they're the church and they
  • 00:21:45
    know they're one body with us on Earth
  • 00:21:47
    and they know the plight of Believers on
  • 00:21:49
    Earth and Jesus tells us to love one
  • 00:21:50
    another as he's loved us and love your
  • 00:21:52
    neighbor as yourself and one of the ways
  • 00:21:55
    we we love them is to pray for them so
  • 00:21:57
    they're so busy glor find God that they
  • 00:21:59
    forget their brothers on
  • 00:22:01
    Earth okay that makes sense okay and if
  • 00:22:04
    they're perfect are their prayers
  • 00:22:06
    perfect yes and are their prayers more
  • 00:22:08
    powerful yes and then on top of that
  • 00:22:10
    Revelations 6:9-11 that the people are
  • 00:22:13
    aware of what will take place on Earth
  • 00:22:15
    and would be concerned here you go I'm G
  • 00:22:17
    to give you a few more here you go
  • 00:22:18
    Revelation 6:9-11 when he opened the
  • 00:22:21
    fifth seal I saw under the altar The
  • 00:22:23
    Souls of those who had been slain for
  • 00:22:26
    the word of God their souls are there in
  • 00:22:28
    the altar in heaven the bodies are not
  • 00:22:31
    and for the witness they had borne they
  • 00:22:33
    cried out with a loud voice oh Sovereign
  • 00:22:36
    Lord holy and true how long before thou
  • 00:22:39
    will judge and avenge our blood on those
  • 00:22:42
    who dwell upon the Earth so they're
  • 00:22:44
    concerned about the people that killed
  • 00:22:46
    them when are you going to punish them
  • 00:22:48
    then they were each given a white robe
  • 00:22:50
    and told to rest a little longer until
  • 00:22:53
    the number of their fellow servants and
  • 00:22:55
    their Brethren should be complete or to
  • 00:22:57
    be killed as they themselves had been
  • 00:22:59
    Jesus has told them the
  • 00:23:01
    future so if let me see if I understand
  • 00:23:06
    that did you see that Jesus just told
  • 00:23:07
    them the future that they have to rest
  • 00:23:10
    until the last
  • 00:23:12
    believer comes to us no the last person
  • 00:23:16
    who's murdered then God will avenge them
  • 00:23:19
    you're misreading it
  • 00:23:21
    okay but did Jesus just tell them what's
  • 00:23:24
    going to happen on Earth yes and in the
  • 00:23:26
    future so you're just telling me Jesus
  • 00:23:28
    made them known what's going to take
  • 00:23:29
    place to their brothers on Earth yes and
  • 00:23:32
    you're telling me they don't love them
  • 00:23:33
    enough to pray for them no they do well
  • 00:23:36
    they should he just answered the
  • 00:23:37
    question they're praying for
  • 00:23:43
    us that makes sense now let me give you
  • 00:23:45
    the final one for the sake of time I did
  • 00:23:47
    a whole series on communion Saints it's
  • 00:23:49
    on my playlist all right I'm gonna You
  • 00:23:52
    Know Rich Man Lazarus die yes okay watch
  • 00:23:57
    well hold on let's see it's
  • 00:24:00
    okay Abraham died before Moses and the
  • 00:24:02
    prophets and their scriptures right yes
  • 00:24:05
    okay explain this to me when the rich
  • 00:24:08
    man looked at Abraham Lazarus and he
  • 00:24:10
    told Abraham tell Lazarus to dip this
  • 00:24:11
    finger in this water and cool my tongue
  • 00:24:13
    because I'm in torment I'm almost done
  • 00:24:16
    crystals anyway but Abraham said Son
  • 00:24:19
    remember that you in your lifetime
  • 00:24:21
    received your good things and L in like
  • 00:24:22
    manner evil things how did he know how
  • 00:24:24
    they lived on
  • 00:24:26
    Earth how did Abraham know because he
  • 00:24:28
    just said you in your lifetime received
  • 00:24:32
    good things Lazarus evil things how did
  • 00:24:34
    he know how they lived on earth God had
  • 00:24:37
    to tell them because so you just
  • 00:24:39
    answered your question again God makes
  • 00:24:40
    known to them what takes place on
  • 00:24:46
    Earth okay but wait let's go on but now
  • 00:24:50
    he has comforted here and you are an
  • 00:24:52
    anguish and
  • 00:24:53
    besides between us and you a great Chasm
  • 00:24:56
    Chasm has been fixed in order that those
  • 00:25:00
    who would pass from here to you may not
  • 00:25:02
    be able and none may cross from there to
  • 00:25:05
    us watch here the rest of it Luke 16
  • 00:25:09
    27-31 okay and he said then I beg you
  • 00:25:13
    father to send him to my father's house
  • 00:25:17
    for I have five brothers so that he may
  • 00:25:19
    warn them lest they also come into this
  • 00:25:21
    place of dor so a wicked man is
  • 00:25:22
    concerned about his family members on
  • 00:25:25
    Earth yes he is but believers who are
  • 00:25:28
    perfect in love are not concerned about
  • 00:25:30
    their brothers on
  • 00:25:31
    Earth well they should be as well thank
  • 00:25:34
    you but now watch this remember Abraham
  • 00:25:36
    died before Moses
  • 00:25:38
    and and the prophets right
  • 00:25:42
    yes and Moses and Prophets left
  • 00:25:45
    scriptures years after Abraham died
  • 00:25:47
    right but now notice what Abraham knows
  • 00:25:49
    but Abraham said they they have Moses
  • 00:25:52
    and the prophets how did he know that
  • 00:25:55
    how did he know what his brothers on
  • 00:25:57
    Earth had at that time they have Moses
  • 00:25:59
    and the
  • 00:26:01
    prophets oh that makes so much sense let
  • 00:26:05
    them hear them meaning read their
  • 00:26:06
    writings and he said no Father Abraham
  • 00:26:09
    but if someone goes to them from the
  • 00:26:10
    dead they'll repent he said them if they
  • 00:26:12
    do not hear Moses and the prophets
  • 00:26:15
    neither will they be convinced if
  • 00:26:17
    someone should rise from the dead how
  • 00:26:19
    did Abraham know Moses and the prophets
  • 00:26:21
    came after him left scriptures behind
  • 00:26:24
    and that this man's Brothers had those
  • 00:26:25
    scriptures on Earth at that moment how
  • 00:26:27
    do you know all that well because if
  • 00:26:30
    he's in heaven he's outside of time now
  • 00:26:32
    no Heaven is part of time no no okay so
  • 00:26:34
    then heav and are part of time and
  • 00:26:36
    creation only God is outside of time
  • 00:26:38
    okay so then God how do told them God
  • 00:26:40
    showed him so you just established they
  • 00:26:44
    are aware what takes place on Earth
  • 00:26:46
    because God makes them aware they are
  • 00:26:48
    perfect and sinless so their prayers are
  • 00:26:50
    perfect and powerful and they're still
  • 00:26:52
    the church one with us and still love us
  • 00:26:54
    and you see where the church came up
  • 00:26:56
    with oh then then they must be praying
  • 00:26:57
    for us
  • 00:26:59
    yes okay that makes sense end up story
  • 00:27:03
    brother that's
  • 00:27:04
    it and Jesus said they're not dead oh
  • 00:27:07
    they're dead no Luke 20 3738 he says
  • 00:27:11
    they're not dead they're all alive to
  • 00:27:13
    them here let me show you so oh they're
  • 00:27:14
    dead that means Jesus is lying and that
  • 00:27:17
    means you're a blasphemy because Jesus
  • 00:27:18
    can't lie you said what I'm gonna give
  • 00:27:22
    it to you hold on Sir okay you're so
  • 00:27:24
    excited man you're so excited Luke 20
  • 00:27:27
    3738
  • 00:27:29
    he says they're not
  • 00:27:31
    dead there you go on the screen but the
  • 00:27:35
    dead that the dead are raised even Moses
  • 00:27:37
    showed in the passage about the bush
  • 00:27:40
    where he calls the Lord the god of
  • 00:27:41
    Abraham the god of Isaac God of Jacob
  • 00:27:42
    now he is not the god of the dead but of
  • 00:27:45
    the living for all live to
  • 00:27:49
    him so I dare you say Abraham is dead
  • 00:27:52
    when Jesus says no he's alive but now
  • 00:27:54
    watch here 49 to
  • 00:27:57
    53 John 8:49 to 53 so that's it man you
  • 00:28:00
    got your case now it's up to you whether
  • 00:28:02
    you want to believe it or not John 8:
  • 00:28:04
    49-53 Jesus answered I am not a demon
  • 00:28:08
    but I honor my father and you dishonor
  • 00:28:10
    me yet I do not seek my own Glory there
  • 00:28:12
    is one who seeks it and he will be the
  • 00:28:14
    judge truly truly I say to you if anyone
  • 00:28:17
    keeps my word he will never see death I
  • 00:28:20
    dare you to tell me he's lying that Mary
  • 00:28:21
    is dead say Mary is dead why would I say
  • 00:28:24
    that this exactly because you can't you
  • 00:28:27
    know you can't right called eternal life
  • 00:28:29
    they shall never perish all right the
  • 00:28:32
    Jews said to him now we know that you
  • 00:28:33
    have a demon Abraham died and did the
  • 00:28:36
    prophets and you say if anyone keeps my
  • 00:28:38
    word he will never taste death are you
  • 00:28:41
    greater than our Father Abraham who died
  • 00:28:43
    and the prophets died who do you claim
  • 00:28:44
    to be now the final one John 11:25-26
  • 00:28:51
    so that's it that's where we get the
  • 00:28:54
    community of saints their intercession
  • 00:28:56
    and the intercession of the Blessed
  • 00:28:57
    Mother I'm done right after this Andreas
  • 00:28:59
    right after this John
  • 00:29:01
    11:25 to 26 Jesus said to her I am the
  • 00:29:05
    resurrection and the life he who
  • 00:29:08
    believes in me though he die yet shall
  • 00:29:09
    he live and whoever lives and Believes
  • 00:29:11
    In Me shall never die do you believe
  • 00:29:13
    this so Peter James John Paul Mary all
  • 00:29:18
    believed in Christ are they dead or are
  • 00:29:20
    they still alive they're alive end of
  • 00:29:22
    story what's what do you got left buddy
  • 00:29:24
    now go watch my series on communion of
  • 00:29:27
    saints
  • 00:29:28
    but that's it man now if you want to
  • 00:29:30
    still not believe it that's between you
  • 00:29:31
    and God man oh no no no I I believe it
  • 00:29:35
    like it everything made perfect sense
  • 00:29:38
    it's not like it didn't make any sense
  • 00:29:40
    yeah like how some people that's why we
  • 00:29:42
    get offended when people say we're we're
  • 00:29:46
    speaking to dead people that's a
  • 00:29:48
    blasphemy because J says they're not
  • 00:29:50
    dead we're worshiping them that's
  • 00:29:51
    blasphemy we're not worshiping them and
  • 00:29:54
    there's one mediator as if we don't know
  • 00:29:55
    those passages this why I get angry
  • 00:29:58
    where does the worship thing come from
  • 00:30:00
    that's my that's literally my last in
  • 00:30:02
    their stupidity they think if I ask Mary
  • 00:30:05
    to pray for me that's worship no it's
  • 00:30:07
    not asking is not worship it's not
  • 00:30:10
    idolatry either no I've gone through
  • 00:30:13
    series teaching that's that's garbage
  • 00:30:15
    but I hope that answered you brother
  • 00:30:16
    because yes not that I want to cut you
  • 00:30:18
    off it's already four hours and 12
  • 00:30:19
    minutes come back during I'm sorry I had
  • 00:30:22
    my all these questions well come back
  • 00:30:24
    tomorrow don't lose them WR him because
  • 00:30:26
    it's already 4 hours 12 minutes and
  • 00:30:28
    people are tired I'm tired thank you
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