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good afternoon my name is David GIS I'm
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a reporter at the New York Times
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covering climate change we've got a
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tremendous panel and great opening
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speaker before we begin let me just try
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to help set at the stage lest there was
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any lingering Doubt last year 2023 made
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it clear that climate change is a clear
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and present danger for all of us it was
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the hottest year in modern history we
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saw extreme weather ravage every corner
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of the globe sea surface temperatures
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reached new highs and have not come down
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despite winter in the Northern
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Hemisphere and the science is clear that
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circumstances are about to get much more
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dire in the years ahead at the current
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trajectory
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the status quo we are on track to
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potentially reach 3.4 de of warming
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above pre-industrial Levels by the year
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2100 that will bring with it the science
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tells us sea level rise biodiversity
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loss crop failure
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migration famine it's going to get
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serious very soon and despite all this
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and despite the real progress that has
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been made which we don't want to
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overlook the global community and the
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business Community I would argue is
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still not doing nearly enough to combat
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this urgent threat slowing down global
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warming will require truly radical
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system shifts from how food is grown to
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how energy is created to how goods are
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transported and sold and cities are
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built and all of this vital work
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requires money lots and lots and lots of
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money and there's no shortage of money
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in the world as we all this week know
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very much and yet precious little of it
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is being deployed towards this critical
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work of reducing emissions as rapidly as
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possible investment Horizons are still
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too short risk tolerance is often too
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low and there frankly reminds a myopic
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focus on short-term profits now no actor
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alone we know can solve these issues
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we're going to need private Capital
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development Finance institutions
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philanthropy and more and it's only
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together by working together with
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Partnerships with new ambition new
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models that we can address this pressing
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problem we've seen some of this work
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actually being done just here at w in
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the last couple days Gaia has pulled
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together a coalition that's set its
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sites on a 1 billion new pledge to
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deploy Capital with a combination of
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corporate foundations and philanthropic
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Partnerships but $1 billion do is a drop
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in the bucket that's admirable work but
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to reach Net
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Zero and reverse nature loss by
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2050 we need something on the order of
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three trillion doll a
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year so that is the challenge at hand
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that's what we're going to be discussing
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now how do we get more of this money
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flowing to these critical projects
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before we hear from our panelists I have
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the distinct pleasure of introducing
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secretary John Kerry President Biden's
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special adviser to climate who I would
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argue has done more to advance
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International cooperation on the isue of
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China than just about anyone else
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secretary Carri some opening remarks
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please
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thanks well David thank you very very
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much and um ladies and
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gentlemen uh and particularly uh the
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members of this really capable uh and
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you will find hugely informed panel so
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I'm almost embarrassed in laying out uh
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some initial thoughts and David himself
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just now gave you
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a pretty good summary of what is at
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stake uh and if I repeat a little bit uh
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forgive me but we it can bear repetition
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folks
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um I'm trying to find a way every
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day to be able to communicate to
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people what the urgency really
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is and why it is that um we need to more
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more take
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seriously uh what the scientists are
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telling us and what Mother Nature is
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telling us on a pretty regular
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basis last year 2023 which David
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referred to was literally the most
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disruptive climate disruptive most
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climate consequential negative year in
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human
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history and as we all know if you
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measure
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you know there's there's a
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a important body of evidence now that's
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been laid out that really uh doesn't
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leave us any space for debate or frankly
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procrastination any longer there are
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millions of people already
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Millions moving in various places on the
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planet not always exclusively because of
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climate but greatly added to by climate
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Water Crisis uh lack of ability to grow
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the crops they used to grow a prevalence
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of disease that now takes hold that we
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thought we had
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eradicated uh the climate crisis is also
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a Health
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crisis uh in addition to that the
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quality of the air which comes directly
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from greenhouse gas emissions is killing
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7 million people a year around the
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planet uh and when I say killing them I
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mean I'm talking about about literally
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the disease that you get because you're
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breathing in
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particulates uh and the levels of cancer
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the levels of complications for people
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with heart disease or empyema so forth
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are clear
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scientifically uh in addition to that uh
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we're
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witnessing disruption that is really
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really dangerous in terms of macro
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global diplom Y and and and strategy
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strategic thinking uh is changing as a
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consequence though not all the policies
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of the world have changed sufficiently
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to address it uh but because of what's
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happening to the island states where
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their leaders now don't just sit around
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and think about what they're going to do
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to respond uh but they are uh thinking
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about how they're going to move their
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people and where they're going to go and
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and will they be able to maintain
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statehood in this afterlife of a nation
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that is
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without uh a nation
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Place uh President Biden has actually
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issued uh a executive statement that he
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as president in the United States will
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recognize those countries think of that
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we've already had to say we will
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recognize a country that had to move
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from where it is that doesn't have a
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country anymore but can still sit in the
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United Nations or still be engaged in
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interational Affairs in a recognized way
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those are the kinds of things some
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people on this planet have to actually
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think about right now and respond to but
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in addition to that there are places
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that are becoming unworkable let alone
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unlivable the human body just doesn't
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respond the way it used to it would at
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you know 100 degrees 101 degrees at 135
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or
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140° last year in Phoenix Arizona 31
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straight days at 110 degrees or
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higher asphalt that starts to melt
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airplanes that can't land because the
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airport has to close for a period of
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time so disruptions to business
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disruptions to life all bare cost and
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people who are following this will tell
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you the cost of lost productivity of
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interruptions of of movement of goods
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and services and so forth so
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I've been traveling around the world a
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lot in the last three years meeting with
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leaders of countries trying to urge them
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to choose something different in terms
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of their energy production uh where they
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have gas uh they could also be deploying
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Renewables but they want to choose the
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gas and so how do you go into that place
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and persuade people wait that's a bad
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choice and you have a better choice when
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their answer to you is well and this is
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what I've heard many many times Well Mr
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secretary uh how much money is the
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United States able to put into that and
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will you you know make that available to
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us if you help us we can do it and of
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course you know most governments in the
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world are not running around with
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magical surpluses these days in a
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position competing against Ukraine and
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Gaza and emergency assistance and aids
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for Africa and a hundred other things we
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do uh to be able to plunk the money down
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and say oh yeah we'll do that for you so
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by default we see bad decisions being
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made which have implications for all of
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us so I was here a year ago to help we
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launch the Gaia
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initiative and I'm here again today
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because I'm
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convinced that the only way we win this
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battle is by stepping up exponentially
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from where we are today and begin to
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treat this fight almost as if we were in
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War I hate the war analogies and because
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we get tired of them and they're
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probably overused but unfortunately it's
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uh it's it's
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apt in World War II when we needed to
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gain control over the Skies of the ocean
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and learn how to penetrate Hitler's
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defenses in order to win the Battle of
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Freedom it was midlevel techs who made a
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lot of decisions that actually helped us
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win the war and uh Paul Kennedy at Yale
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has written a book about this called the
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engineers of Victory which if you want
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to read about real effort it'll tell you
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about it at the end of the war we could
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turn out one B24 bomber every hour on
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the
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hour in a
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reconstituted automobile Factory because
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we were
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serious could we be doing that today for
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solar panels could we be doing that
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today for blades for turbin you bet we
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could but the politics of the world
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haven't yet moved to understand that
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that is almost literally where we need
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to be why because as David just said to
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you trillions of dollars are needed
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somewhere between 2.5 to three trillion
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and 4.5 to5 trillion a year every year
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for the next until we get to 2050 next
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30 Years think about
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that and and let me if I were to ask you
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a simple question does anybody here
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believe that we are in a position where
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we need to be to win the battle no the
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answer is
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no and what does it take to get there
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the single most uh the single biggest
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push or change that would have an impact
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around the world right now is
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money now President Biden didn't just
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put money down through certain
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incentives Etc uh he passed the
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inflation reduction act which has now
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seen us 88 new battery companies in the
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United States since that law was passed
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it's a law that was geared to provide a
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about $369 billion to be able to help
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companies and countries to be able to
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make the better decisions but in reality
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it's almost a trillion that's going to
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be spent why because there's no ceiling
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on it there's a floor the ceiling is
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defined by those people who are ready to
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use it and able to use it and who
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qualify for it and so we actually could
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get up into a trillion dollars if we
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were to push the Curve the way that we
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need to so folks public private
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Partnerships which is what is going to
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be discussed here is a critical leverage
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point for our ability to be able to look
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people in the eye and say we are doing
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everything that we have possible and and
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that we can try to do we need to unlock
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and speed up action we need to bring
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things to scale where we know that they
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work but we don't have the ability to
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bring it to scale because people are
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reluctant to invest and that's another
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place where philanthropy has a critical
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role and I hope and I'm confident it
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will be discussed here
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today there are trillions of
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dollars in the
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marketplace some of it was parked for
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quite a period of time when the interest
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rates were low particularly low uh and
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we're paying for the privilege with net
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negative interest they were paying for
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the privilege of being parked in a b
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somewhere and not put to use at a time
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where even that money which is owned by
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somebody Black Rock and and Goldman
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Sachs and uh you know Blackstone and all
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these folks who manage vast sums of
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money uh it's not their
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money and a lot of people don't
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understand that but it's money that is
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Seeking a return on investment in almost
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every case and and they are under a
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fiduciary responsibility to provide that
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so if a client comes in and plunks down
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X hundreds of millions of dollars and
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says I want you to do the following
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things with this they're Duty bound to
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do it that money is not available to be
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able to make the difference that some
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people in the world think so what we
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have to do to cure that and get that
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money to deploy is create bankable
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deals and when you create a bankable
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deal you're basically taking risk out of
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the deal reducing the risk so that you
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have first loss or or you know earnest
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money or something put up that gives
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people confidence that if they are going
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to put some of that money down there are
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the good prospects uh not good they can
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have defensible prospects uh that uh
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that's a bet that's worth making now how
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do we do that well philanthropy can play
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a far bigger role than it is today and
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I'm optimistic about our prospects
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frankly if we can churn this money out
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in the next few years remember the the
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the target that we have uh don't have to
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be achieved by next week or by next year
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there's a first plateau of 2030 where we
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need to have a minimum of a 43%
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reduction and then there's 2050 where we
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need to be able to hit the net0 2050 so
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we do have some time here to mature to
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bring maturity to some of these
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Technologies and to deploy them in a way
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that will make a a a a difference now we
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have countries now that have agreed uh
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on targets for the global adaptation
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adaptation a lot of people have shied
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away from investing in because they
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think they can't make money not true
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there are loads of adaptation projects
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which actually have a return on
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investment and so you could be earning
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10 12 15% which for a pension fund or
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something is not a bad return uh and if
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you have that with a 30-year PPA uh
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offtake agreement you're in business and
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you're able to be able to make things
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work so think bankable deal think how we
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change our the way we look at that and
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we have to make the multilateral
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commitments that we need to do this more
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of a reality multilateral action
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combined with progress is already
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happening uh in the markets and it is
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propelling US forward but just not big
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enough and fast enough and yet and and
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and this question of scale is critical
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and I think we have to talk about that
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here now today philanthropy can an
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accelerant here folks needs to be but
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for whatever reasons and I think I be
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great for the panel to explore this
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climate philanthropy seems to have
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plateaued at less than
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two% of all philanthropic
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giving given the nature of this crisis
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we got to break that mold and that's
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another of the challenges that we face
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so I was really excited to learn that
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the Gaia program or plan is launching a
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corporate philanthropy challenge here
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today uh to mobilize smart catalytic
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Capital towards climate and nature
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interventions by
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2030 uh I would hope that we could go
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further than the billion dollars that we
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could actually make it a bigger uh grab
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if you will and challenge maybe that 2%
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figure will inspire people to reach out
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to more philanthropies and build this
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out but I want to go back back to what I
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said
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earlier
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uh 1.5
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degrees and I'll close sort of just on
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this note in
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Dubai we actually did break the
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mold we came out with a very different
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Paradigm building on Paris building on
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Glasgow and charmal Shake we got 195
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countries to all agree to buy in to the
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notion that we we have to transition
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away from fossil
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fuels and we have to do so in accordance
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with the science we have to do so
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meeting the goal of 2050 Net Zero and we
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have to do so accelerating those efforts
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now in this decade that's the conclusion
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and the operative language which we all
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have to digest more in order to get
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where we need to go that to me is a game
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Cher and when you add it to the methane
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uh initiative to the shipping challenge
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to the food and agriculture challenges
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to the other efforts that came out in
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terms of the loss and damage fund and
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other things we are in better shape to
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take this issue to where it needs to go
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than we have ever been and that's why
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this meeting is even more important than
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it might have normally been because
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philanthropy doesn't have to sit there
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and worry though sometimes it may in one
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form or another but it doesn't have that
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same uh fiduciary
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restraint uh with respect to uh looking
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for the return on investment mostly
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philanthropy gives grants and it knows
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it's making a bet here uh I think the
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BET could not be more important couldn't
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be bigger couldn't be more compelling
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and hopefully uh we're going to get some
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great ideas on the table today for how
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we're going to win this battle so thank
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you all very very much
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thanks
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thank you secretary KY well let's get
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into it uh Ray first just very briefly
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you sometimes make a habit of predicting
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cataclysmic world ending events you've
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talked about World War II and the US
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Civil War where does climate change rank
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on that list for you I just want to set
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the stakes
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here well it's a huge issue
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um as was mentioned if we take the cost
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of it and I think the $5 trillion is a
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good number to use that represents 5% of
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world
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GDP so at a minimum if you get that
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amount of money 5% of world GDP is very
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expensive so that is if you succeed yeah
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and if you don't succeed it was well
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established what the magnitude is the
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costs are going to be tremendous okay so
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as SEC secretary Carrie was saying
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there's a cost of either preventing it
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there's a cost of adapting to it how do
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these how do you build the
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infrastructure and all of that and then
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there's a cost of its damag MH and so
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when you think about mobilizing the
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capital necessary to address it at the
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scale we're talking about which is not
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incremental but really tremendous when
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you talk about that exponential step up
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where does that come from how do you as
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someone who's steeped in the world of
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Finance understand putting together some
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of these Partnerships which has to go
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first where is the first layer of risk
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coming from and how do you get more
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money off the
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sidelines I think that there's been a a
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tragedy of
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practicality in looking at where the
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money comes
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from what I mean by that is only about
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one sixth of the amount of money is
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being uh gotten and
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um and so there's this notion we should
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we should we should but there's the
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facts of let's look at who has the money
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what is the size of it and what are
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their
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motivations I think you secretary KY did
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a very good job of describing the
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motivations of those and so if when you
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look at uh philanthropy philanthropy
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total World philanthropy is about a
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trillion dollars a year and and let's be
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practical what do they give it to they
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want to give it to their Hospital their
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children's the CH uh schools that they
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went to they want to give it to their
00:22:59
neighborhoods and so on and that's just
00:23:02
a reality that we have to accept we are
00:23:05
not going to just say they should get
00:23:08
more or if you take a bank there was an
00:23:10
idea banks have a lot of money but they
00:23:12
have to get it money returns to the
00:23:14
people and they have to produce returns
00:23:17
and so there's a basic system here that
00:23:20
I see the largest pool of money is
00:23:22
Institutional Investor money yeah and I
00:23:25
see that they want to invest in this but
00:23:28
they have constituents too in other
00:23:30
words all of the Sovereign wealth funds
00:23:32
and the institution Pension funds have
00:23:34
to deliver returns to those particular
00:23:37
people and so the question really is
00:23:40
it's a simple question that
00:23:42
profitability is one of those
00:23:44
considerations in entering it and what I
00:23:47
see simultaneously and I saw at cop 28 I
00:23:50
was there for 10 of the 12 days and my
00:23:53
own passion is an ocean exploration and
00:23:55
the ocean is a passion and I saw are so
00:23:58
many bright ideas that I want to invest
00:24:00
in yeah that that I know uh what's the
00:24:04
great power the great power is in
00:24:06
entrepreneurship and inventing ideas or
00:24:09
developing in the capital markets and
00:24:11
providing a good return so I think as
00:24:14
secretary K said so articulately that if
00:24:17
we tap into that potential and I think
00:24:20
there is this is the time if I look at
00:24:22
let's say a good example would be Bill
00:24:24
Gates breakthrough energy yeah and we
00:24:26
and we look at the Double bottom line
00:24:29
because money H itself even in
00:24:32
philanthropy has to be sustainable
00:24:34
everything has to be sustainable not
00:24:36
just the environment and so the I think
00:24:38
we're at a PO moment right now where
00:24:41
there's excitement for being able to be
00:24:44
make good Investments so as we go down
00:24:47
the line here and we talk about the
00:24:48
different people we think okay there's I
00:24:51
think together that we can put together
00:24:55
great investment funds that can demon
00:24:57
state for example to Sovereign wealth
00:24:59
funds and large institutional investors
00:25:02
and other that they can get a return on
00:25:05
that and that unleashes that not when
00:25:08
when you provide the return you also
00:25:10
unleash the inventiveness of
00:25:11
entrepreneurs y so that's what I view G
00:25:15
as about that's great I mean I this
00:25:17
notion of a tragedy of practicality
00:25:19
though I want to keep coming back to
00:25:21
that because it strikes me that the
00:25:23
biggest tragedy of all would be to let
00:25:25
our practicality stop us from making the
00:25:28
real radical Investments we need to in
00:25:30
the coming decades mafal I'd love to
00:25:32
turn to you you run the UN fcc's green
00:25:34
climate fund you're mobilizing capital
00:25:37
from nation states deploying it to the
00:25:40
people to the projects that need it most
00:25:42
and yet I I don't need to tell you it is
00:25:45
sometimes hard for you to get those
00:25:47
commitments to secure that funding the
00:25:49
United States just uh committed three
00:25:51
billion dollars uh was potentially
00:25:54
overdue uh in Dubai this past winter at
00:25:58
cop 28 why though are you finding it so
00:26:01
challenged when we think about this
00:26:03
notion of practicality what is the
00:26:04
holdup for those who really are
00:26:07
controlling the pur strings to open them
00:26:09
up for what so many now agree is this
00:26:12
most existential of
00:26:14
issues so first of all uh let me say
00:26:16
that I'm really happy to be here uh and
00:26:19
we are really happy to be part of GAA um
00:26:22
uh in particular you know the focus on
00:26:24
on Partnerships and and bringing public
00:26:27
private philanthropic Capital together
00:26:31
um and also the element of of innovation
00:26:34
um I also want to say that you know
00:26:37
normally I could play a little bit the
00:26:39
role of secretary car not as as eloquent
00:26:42
as him but you know in in bringing the
00:26:44
science and uh and uh how much we need
00:26:47
to pay attention to the urgency but I
00:26:49
also want to bring a positive spin to
00:26:52
the story and because I think we need
00:26:54
hope uh we we need people to believe
00:26:56
that this is possible
00:26:58
uh we have been investing for many years
00:27:01
for for you know for more than a decade
00:27:05
uh roughly two decades in these type of
00:27:07
investments in in developing countries
00:27:10
um and we have seen tough investment
00:27:14
decisions being made by governments and
00:27:16
by private
00:27:18
sector um and and you can look at it if
00:27:21
you if you track the history of
00:27:23
renewable energy investments in
00:27:24
developing countries when the first
00:27:27
second third of it of its kind of these
00:27:29
Investments happened these were
00:27:32
difficult investment
00:27:33
decisions how did we bring them about
00:27:36
because public and private Capital came
00:27:38
together and the type of risk Capital
00:27:41
that green climate fund uh provides was
00:27:44
a big component MDB money marar is here
00:27:48
he can speak to that as well but it was
00:27:51
this combination of public and private
00:27:53
Capital so we have come a long way uh in
00:27:57
in trying to bring public Capital
00:27:59
together mdbs bilateral governments uh
00:28:03
because we have seen the power of of
00:28:05
bringing people together we have brought
00:28:06
public and private Capital together
00:28:09
mostly in the project Finance basis um
00:28:13
now we really and and we have we have
00:28:16
demonstrated we have piloted we have
00:28:18
created some markets we have created
00:28:20
track records learning curves we have
00:28:22
helped private sector companies go
00:28:24
through certain learning curves but we
00:28:26
have a problem of scale that's the
00:28:28
that's the we have a problem if we could
00:28:31
allow things to move
00:28:33
organically um this was all fine but we
00:28:36
we cannot just allow things to move
00:28:38
organically at this pace uh because of
00:28:41
the the need to to act with speed and
00:28:45
scale so this is why we need this sort
00:28:48
of push and these type of initiatives
00:28:51
and I agree with with Reay the biggest
00:28:54
pool of capital is in institutional
00:28:57
capital so what is it that it will
00:28:59
take uh and you know we are here to
00:29:02
bring the the the public cap the risk
00:29:05
Capital patient Capital like ourselves
00:29:08
other type of capital other type of
00:29:10
public capital and the institutional
00:29:11
capital and I see you know I see good
00:29:14
signs I I I see you know we ourselves
00:29:18
announced at cop um we being anchor
00:29:22
investment in in platform in a platform
00:29:25
to bring institutional capital for
00:29:26
subnational borrowing or Landing for
00:29:29
subnational landing we are part of a
00:29:31
guarantee company to guarantee the
00:29:33
issuance of green bonds we need to see
00:29:36
these so I really am looking forward to
00:29:40
to seeing the big bets we are talking
00:29:42
about in GA what are the big bets where
00:29:44
we can rally support from a variety of
00:29:47
critical stakeholders and drive
00:29:49
systematically action at scale thank you
00:29:52
mafal uh marar we talked uh we just
00:29:55
heard from MAF talk about private
00:29:57
Capital crowding in we've heard that
00:29:59
phrase over and over uh the World Bank
00:30:01
is newly resolved under the leadership
00:30:04
of uh president AJ banga to try to
00:30:06
mobilize Capital to address climate
00:30:08
change uh you run the international
00:30:11
Finance Corporation which is the part of
00:30:12
the World Bank that specializes with
00:30:14
working with the private sector so
00:30:15
you're right at that Nexus people talk
00:30:17
about the World Bank sort of serving as
00:30:19
this leverage point that could bring in
00:30:21
hundreds of billions if not even you
00:30:23
know trillions potentially of dollars
00:30:25
from the private sector and yet we still
00:30:28
see even today even with that renewed
00:30:30
ambition borrowing costs are much higher
00:30:33
in the developing world it's harder and
00:30:35
harder to build these renewable projects
00:30:39
in the places that need them most we
00:30:40
have FX risk geopolitical risk raising
00:30:43
the cost of capital what's being done
00:30:45
and what are the biggest roadblocks to
00:30:48
finding more of these opportunities for
00:30:50
that money to come in and make the
00:30:51
difference that you want it to make now
00:30:53
thank you very much David uh when edj
00:30:56
came he he put put in place a private
00:30:58
sector lab so what is the private sector
00:31:00
lab is 20 CEOs Institutional Investor
00:31:03
private uh uh fund and he asked Mar
00:31:06
Cardy to to coordinate to chair this
00:31:09
group and I am uh uh coordinating it
00:31:13
practically to come with ideas what are
00:31:15
we learning from this exercise first uh
00:31:19
people want guarantees they want more
00:31:22
guarantees private sector there the
00:31:23
number one request was more guarantees
00:31:26
political risk guarantees and other type
00:31:28
of guarantee currently we put in place a
00:31:30
working group at the World Bank where we
00:31:32
put all our guarantee instruments and
00:31:35
the objective will be to put them
00:31:37
together and to be make it much more
00:31:39
accessible and easier to access by the
00:31:41
private sector and increase the scale
00:31:43
second you mention it f uh actually it
00:31:46
was not as big as we saw at the
00:31:48
beginning the the the most one the most
00:31:50
important one was really guarantees but
00:31:53
effect is coming and we looking looking
00:31:55
at options to be able to address these
00:31:58
issue the third one was regulation uh
00:32:01
still a lot of confusion on the
00:32:03
regulation L of practic predictability
00:32:06
from investors particularly when they're
00:32:07
working on emerging countries so fourth
00:32:10
one is pipeline of project so we are
00:32:13
working now on uh uh uh originate to
00:32:17
distribute so change a little bit the
00:32:19
philosophies uh uh secretary recovery in
00:32:21
the conversation that we had at with the
00:32:25
panel that you chair with fatti that
00:32:27
question was raised because the report
00:32:30
that we prepare IFC with fat Bol that
00:32:33
one the one who came with the 2.8
00:32:35
billion trillion dollar a year I saying
00:32:38
that there we still lack project a
00:32:40
bankable project that we can see and
00:32:42
last question is that when you talk to
00:32:43
institutional investors they tell you
00:32:45
below $1 billion we are not interested
00:32:48
so you need to bring large project so it
00:32:51
means that we have few challenges there
00:32:54
one how do we work with a smaller
00:32:56
country which don't have access to
00:32:58
Capital Market but also as we how do we
00:33:00
work with large country which has the
00:33:02
largest emitters so we have all this
00:33:04
jetp effort that has been made and the
00:33:07
big question now is how to have more
00:33:09
philanthropy money and grant money and
00:33:12
Blended money to address this issue of
00:33:14
this large country the Indonesia of this
00:33:16
world the the the the the China of this
00:33:19
world the uh those are the countries
00:33:22
that really will make move move the the
00:33:25
the the Delta so for for that we have
00:33:28
already five four years ago with
00:33:31
Rockefeller Foundation vage we have we
00:33:34
put together this Coalition but it was
00:33:36
for Access so it was for access to all
00:33:39
countries something similar is was
00:33:42
needed for Middle income country I think
00:33:43
that's why GAA is so important because
00:33:45
now we start talking about what we will
00:33:47
remove really the the the needle and and
00:33:51
and and and I think bringing significant
00:33:53
amount of of it and bring and showing
00:33:55
the investment that that bring return
00:33:59
will be important let me give you two
00:34:01
three example of things that people are
00:34:02
looking into green hydrogen for instance
00:34:05
today we are investing and looking for
00:34:08
in the middle of the food crisis to
00:34:10
invest in green fertilizer much GRE
00:34:12
Greening the production of fertilizer
00:34:14
with renewable green hydrogen Ura amonia
00:34:18
and and and so forth how we can do more
00:34:21
carbon capture how we can do a certain
00:34:23
number of things how we can lower the
00:34:25
cost of adoption of the technology
00:34:27
lastly let's not forget the how to aate
00:34:29
sector which has been currently a little
00:34:32
bit forgotten in that conversation and
00:34:34
we be focusing a lot on generation but
00:34:36
not lot on reducing the emission coming
00:34:39
for the hard to aate sector so this is
00:34:41
what is coming of the current
00:34:42
conversation it's hot from the from the
00:34:44
from the oven but uh I think that we are
00:34:47
we are moving the right direction but
00:34:50
definitely the scale of of Blended
00:34:53
Finance going for Middle income
00:34:54
countries the jetp country need need to
00:34:57
be increased significantly significantly
00:34:58
in the years to come thank you Desmond
00:35:00
let me turn to you uh as CEO of tomasic
00:35:03
trust which the philanthropic arm of
00:35:04
task of course uh you recently made a$1
00:35:07
billion Singapore commitment to help get
00:35:11
these catalytic Investments moving
00:35:13
forward in partnership with Gaia that's
00:35:16
great but I wonder if you could take us
00:35:17
inside the thought process we have lots
00:35:20
of institutional investors out there
00:35:22
many of whom are not taking steps like
00:35:24
this what gave you the conviction to
00:35:27
actually move forward and what do you
00:35:28
say to those that are still on the
00:35:30
sidelines well first of all thank you
00:35:32
David it's not1 billion dollar from
00:35:34
Singapore it's a billion dollars that we
00:35:35
manage to raise in terms of pledges from
00:35:37
Partners from around the world who feel
00:35:41
that in solving the global climate
00:35:44
challenge you can't not solve for Asia
00:35:47
and so what we're looking to do of
00:35:49
course is to bring partners like-minded
00:35:51
partners from around the world donors
00:35:54
knowledge experts program partners who
00:35:57
are Keen to come together to see how we
00:35:59
can make uh the needle much more
00:36:03
impactfully moved so I would say that
00:36:06
what we're hoping to do in tamasic trust
00:36:08
is to facilitate is to enable it's to
00:36:11
catalyze we know that more than half the
00:36:14
world's population is here in Asia more
00:36:17
than half the emissions are coming out
00:36:18
of Asia temperatures are based on
00:36:21
projection they would rise twice faster
00:36:25
in Asia than the global average but on
00:36:27
the bright side we're seeing that nearly
00:36:30
half the world's GDP is also coming out
00:36:33
of Asia and there is an increasing share
00:36:36
of wealth that's coming out of Asia and
00:36:38
growing philanthropic interest in Asia
00:36:42
and a stronger desire to want to do more
00:36:45
do faster do things in a much more
00:36:47
intentional way and what we're hoping to
00:36:50
do therefore is to bring all of this
00:36:52
together around climate around the
00:36:55
intersections with health
00:36:57
with inclusive development and education
00:36:59
and we think that the way to do this is
00:37:02
of course to build and enable um
00:37:05
capacity and so one of the things which
00:37:07
we're doing is to start up an Asia
00:37:09
Center for change makers it's for social
00:37:11
entrepreneurs it's for philanthropists
00:37:14
investors family officers who want to
00:37:16
come into such an Institute um to
00:37:20
nurture talent and raise competency so
00:37:23
we're doing that this year we think that
00:37:25
there is a lot of scope for us to
00:37:27
partner up with uh uh institutions
00:37:30
research houses thought leaders from
00:37:32
around the world who can help us uh make
00:37:35
sense of where the issues are most
00:37:39
pressing systems thinking theories of
00:37:41
change around what is this that's most
00:37:44
purposeful and impactful for us to drive
00:37:47
forward together in fixing we think that
00:37:50
there is space for us to build uh a
00:37:54
Marketplace the infrastructure for an
00:37:56
impact marketplace where we can connect
00:37:58
up projects with funders and we think
00:38:02
that particularly early stage uh
00:38:05
projects which are not immediately
00:38:08
bankable investable we think that some
00:38:10
amount of seed Capital going into
00:38:13
helping them along Crossing that Valley
00:38:16
of Death if you like uh would go a long
00:38:18
way towards making uh some of these
00:38:21
impact projects uh possible and feasible
00:38:25
and we think fourthly I would say uh we
00:38:27
want to try and build momentum across
00:38:29
all of this that we're talking about we
00:38:32
think that there is scope for us to come
00:38:34
together with Partners to try and drive
00:38:37
an amplifier a program where successful
00:38:39
entrepreneurs mentors people who've been
00:38:42
there before can lend a helping hand and
00:38:45
help those who are trying to start up
00:38:47
with their fresh ideas around the
00:38:49
climate challenge uh find success in the
00:38:52
commercial space so all these are
00:38:55
exciting Ena that we think that the
00:38:57
philanthropy Asia alliance with all of
00:39:00
our partners can come together to try
00:39:02
and make some movement in this space
00:39:04
that's great thank you Desmond B you
00:39:06
were the cop 28 special representative
00:39:09
for business and philanthropy and as
00:39:11
we've heard uh in the last hour or so
00:39:14
both philanthropies and potentially
00:39:16
businesses are hesitant to deploy
00:39:19
Capital at scale but for different
00:39:21
reasons uh philanthropies perhaps some
00:39:24
would argue are too conservative you
00:39:26
know trapped in cycles of uh very sort
00:39:29
of judicious ways of deploying capital
00:39:31
and looking for that uh you know near
00:39:34
term local impact if you will that Ry
00:39:36
was describing and businesses of course
00:39:39
uh have shareholders to answer to for
00:39:40
the most part can you take us inside the
00:39:42
room if you will and help us understand
00:39:45
when you were talking with businesses
00:39:46
when you were talking with
00:39:47
philanthropies at cop 28 how did you
00:39:50
help get them over that line and start
00:39:53
convincing them to deploy more Capital
00:39:55
against this issue
00:39:57
so first of all just want to thank and
00:39:59
congratulate we and more specifically
00:40:01
Gaia for continuously elevating the role
00:40:03
that strategic philanthropy can play in
00:40:06
partnership with business capital and
00:40:08
government Capital to really help to
00:40:09
move the needle a lot further and a lot
00:40:11
faster on a whole host of global issues
00:40:13
including of course the climate um and
00:40:15
nature agenda so it's been just over a
00:40:18
month since um cop 28 and as I was
00:40:21
saying to R some of us are still
00:40:22
experiencing um withdrawal symptoms
00:40:24
waking up um in night sweats thinking
00:40:27
about loss and damage fund and Global
00:40:29
decarbonization accelerators but it
00:40:31
really was a moment where as secretary
00:40:33
Kerry said
00:40:34
195 nations in the world or so came
00:40:37
together to deliver the UAE consensus in
00:40:40
response to the first Global stock take
00:40:45
and there were a number as again as
00:40:48
secretary secretary Kerry said a number
00:40:50
of unprecedented um outcomes uh one of
00:40:53
which of course was the fact that the
00:40:55
world came together to agree on the
00:40:57
transition away from fossil fuels in a
00:40:59
just orderly and Equitable manner
00:41:03
underpinned by the science towards Net
00:41:05
Zero by 2050 we agreed to Triple
00:41:08
renewable energy and double Energy
00:41:10
Efficiency by
00:41:11
2030 we agreed to double adaptation
00:41:14
financing we managed to harness over $
00:41:16
85 billion in New Capital really from
00:41:19
across the spectrum of stakeholders
00:41:21
agreed to operationalize the loss and
00:41:23
damage fund and a host of other outcomes
00:41:25
across Ross different climate Nature
00:41:28
Health Spectrum but for me what I think
00:41:31
cop 28
00:41:34
represented um which really was the
00:41:36
vision of Dr Sultan Al jabber was a
00:41:39
paradigm shift in the way that we unite
00:41:42
act and deliver and I think it also
00:41:45
demonstrated that even in a pretty
00:41:47
dismal geopolitical environment
00:41:49
multilateralism isn't dead but that it
00:41:52
needs to work for everybody so it really
00:41:54
was the inclusivity piece that I think I
00:41:56
think underpin the success of the
00:41:57
conference so yes we had about 990,000
00:42:00
people who turned up and that may have
00:42:01
been a record but it's what those
00:42:02
990,000 people
00:42:04
represented yes we had heads of state
00:42:06
and ministers that you would expect to
00:42:08
see at a cop conference but we also had
00:42:10
record number of businesses of Business
00:42:13
Leaders of philanthropists of Youth of
00:42:16
Civil Society
00:42:18
representatives of climate activists of
00:42:21
indigenous peoples and I think it was
00:42:24
the combination of all these
00:42:26
stakeholders coming together again that
00:42:28
ex inclusivity piece that helped Bridge
00:42:31
some of the trust divides that were
00:42:33
growing across sectors but also across
00:42:35
regions of the world so I think going
00:42:38
forward in order to create and generate
00:42:40
that multiplier effect to take us from
00:42:42
the billions that we have to the
00:42:44
trillions that we need we really need to
00:42:46
continue to embrace the inclusivity that
00:42:49
cop 28 put forward and I'm confident in
00:42:52
discussing and talking to uh the cop 29
00:42:55
presidency and of course the cup 30
00:42:57
presidency in Brazil that this is
00:42:58
exactly what we're going to continue to
00:42:59
do so I'm very optimistic that by
00:43:02
bringing these parties together
00:43:04
including philanthropic Capital we can
00:43:06
help to see and scale impact and also
00:43:09
availability of climate and nature
00:43:11
Finance thank you very much B we're
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short running out of time but let me get
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through as much more as we can Ray
00:43:17
briefly uh my colleague Rob kand at the
00:43:20
New York Times just wrote a Illuminating
00:43:23
book about you and Bridgewater called
00:43:24
the fund in it he makes clear just how
00:43:27
focused Bridgewater is on delivering
00:43:30
returns to investors and you have over
00:43:32
and over again said that all of this
00:43:34
work that we're talking about needs to
00:43:36
be profitable that we that business is
00:43:39
not going to suddenly turn into a
00:43:41
charity just because the climate crisis
00:43:43
in a is upon us how do you think
00:43:46
about this very Central issue and and
00:43:49
more specifically is it not the case
00:43:52
that the crisis is so severe that
00:43:55
potentially
00:43:56
businesses investors need to be willing
00:44:00
to sacrifice some short-term returns in
00:44:03
the immediate to address what so many in
00:44:05
this room agree is an existential issue
00:44:08
first of all let me clarify that that
00:44:10
book is not an accurate book but I will
00:44:12
address your question it was more of a
00:44:14
fantasy than an accurate book
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um I think we have to be
00:44:21
practical so for example when we go down
00:44:23
and we think about how much does the
00:44:26
World Bank have to give
00:44:28
guarantees and we think about multi um
00:44:33
Development Bank multinational
00:44:35
development banks in total have $2
00:44:38
trillion uh and if you take that amount
00:44:41
of money and you say why is it that you
00:44:44
need the guarantees because there's this
00:44:46
risk of loss and how much loss can those
00:44:50
actually guarantee without the
00:44:52
consequences of that that that becomes a
00:44:56
very limited amount of money relative to
00:44:58
the challenge and so as we go through
00:45:01
each one of those cases congratulation
00:45:04
on the billion dollars but it's not a
00:45:06
drop in the bucket and so if we're
00:45:08
really dealing with the
00:45:11
practicality however we get there moral
00:45:14
suasion is getting us what we got one
00:45:17
sixth of the amount of money that's
00:45:19
needed okay and there and I know it I
00:45:23
see it the institutional investment
00:45:26
around the world I know them I've lived
00:45:28
in that world and I know myself and so I
00:45:32
know that there is entrepreneurship and
00:45:35
when I was on this in cop 28 I was
00:45:39
overwhelmed by entrepreneurs who I want
00:45:41
to invest in there is a point right now
00:45:45
that there the amount of money that is
00:45:46
going in and so if I know that
00:45:50
institutional money it's only 3% of
00:45:53
institutional money goes in and they
00:45:54
want to invest
00:45:57
so now just as a practical man I think
00:46:00
okay the power of putting together
00:46:03
philanthropy which on the one hand is
00:46:06
willing to lose the money to be able to
00:46:10
produce a res um a result but what is
00:46:13
the best impact of that the best impact
00:46:16
of that I think is to take the risk that
00:46:19
to
00:46:20
finance um one form of capital or
00:46:22
another and to make the capital markets
00:46:25
effective
00:46:26
because we're right at that Brink I
00:46:28
think and it produces Innovation so I
00:46:31
think as we go back to that particular
00:46:33
question however we get there we have to
00:46:36
get there and so all I'm on talking
00:46:38
about is the practical ways of getting
00:46:40
there
00:46:42
yeah I appreciate that mafal I'd love to
00:46:45
turn to you for a final thought uh we're
00:46:46
regrettably out of time a as you
00:46:49
continue this effort to mobilize more
00:46:51
capital from countries around the globe
00:46:54
what is your singular message to them
00:46:56
how how do you articulate the urgency of
00:46:58
the case and how the capital stack lines
00:47:01
up in a way that allows more people to
00:47:05
crowd in I I go back to my question you
00:47:08
know we have demonstrated so I I don't
00:47:10
think we are in disagreement here and
00:47:12
with what Reay is saying we have
00:47:15
demonstrated that the type of capital
00:47:17
that philanthropic would bring which has
00:47:20
been very minimum for climate as we have
00:47:22
heard that type of capital has been
00:47:24
public capital public Capital by
00:47:27
developed countries has been put to that
00:47:29
effect in funds like the green climate
00:47:32
fund and other avenues and it's
00:47:34
basically taking risks or guaranteeing a
00:47:38
certain level of returns and and we know
00:47:42
that there are interested as Ray said as
00:47:45
well institutional capital is interested
00:47:48
uh in investing more um as long as they
00:47:52
can that there could be some
00:47:54
reassurances of some level of return and
00:47:57
I've even spoken to some and they have
00:47:59
said that they are willing to to not go
00:48:02
into double digits for emerging markets
00:48:03
or developing countries but you know
00:48:05
returns in the single digit uh as long
00:48:08
as there are certain guarantee of that
00:48:11
return so so we just basically need to
00:48:14
mobilize uh and I was saying in the in
00:48:17
an event the other day normally our
00:48:19
experience has been that type of capital
00:48:21
has been 10% of the total investment so
00:48:24
if we can mobilize more of the Phil
00:48:25
Tropic with our own capital and and
00:48:28
unlock through Vehicles New funds new
00:48:31
structures new financing structures I
00:48:33
think we can really bring this to a new
00:48:35
scale yeah thank you well I have many
00:48:38
more questions for all of our panelists
00:48:39
but we are truly out of time the red
00:48:41
light is flashing my only hope if I
00:48:43
leave you with one thought is to just to
00:48:44
build on something Ray said let not a
00:48:47
tragedy of practicality impede us from
00:48:50
doing this critical work thank you all
00:48:52
thank
00:48:54
you
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[Applause]
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your