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they've been called the watchdogs of
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capitalism
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the conscience of the free market and
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the pinstripe mafia
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the big four
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auditors ernst young kpmg
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pwc and deloitte the big four are
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incredibly
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influential in our market economy
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they are indispensable experts with an
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in-depth knowledge of companies and tax
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law
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they're much too powerful they influence
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politics and legislation
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it can't work without the big four
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have an important role
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auditing corporate financial statements
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it's extremely important for us as
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consumers and for people who are
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investors to trust
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the information we are given
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but are they doing their job
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in 2020 the wirecard scandal shook
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germany
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never before has there been such a
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plummet in the dax
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ernst young audited wirecard's financial
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results for years
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without uncovering the fraud this candy
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mistakes from 90 years ago which led to
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our profession should not have repeated
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you don't have to be an angel
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in order to make a good audit you just
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have to be independent
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each new scandal put the big auditors in
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the spotlight
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are they taking shortcuts
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are they overwhelmed
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or is the system at fault
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thomas haggard is retired his passion is
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building guitars
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with a pension of just under 2 000 euros
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the former high school teacher says he
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is enough to live comfortably
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but he's also managed to put a little
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aside
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if you put money in a checking account
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inflation takes it
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instead he invested most of his savings
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in a promising german company
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i'm not a risk taker
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which is why i didn't buy just any stock
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i bought wirecard active
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it had seemed a safe bet but then the
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company suddenly crashed along with its
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shares
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a fraud so big that the stock would
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become almost worthless i didn't think
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it was possible
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wirecart lost a total of 10 billion
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euros in market capitalization
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raising many questions
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how could it go unnoticed for so long
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that the payment processing company was
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fudging its balance sheets the finance
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ministry blames the private auditors
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a small investor like me can't check
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whether wirecard's statements are true
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thomas herget has joined a class action
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lawsuit against wirecard's auditor
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they carry some blame they should have
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been more careful
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but who are thomas hagert and the other
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small investors up against
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ernst young or ey became the sole
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auditor of wirecard in 2011.
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together with pwc kpmg and deloitte ey
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is one of the big four the four largest
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accounting firms
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together they employ 1.1 million in and
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around 150 countries
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and they ordered the financial
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statements of almost all major companies
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is doing her phd at copenhagen business
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school
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she's been researching the big four and
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the role they play in the economy and
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society for years
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auditing is something that is required
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this is something that is extremely
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important for a well-functioning market
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economy
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every medium or large company is
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required to have its annual financial
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results reviewed by an independent
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auditor
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for a market economy
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it's extremely important for
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us as consumers and for people who are
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investors to trust
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the information we are given
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and our only weapon
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really is the audit
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in 1929 the start of the great
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depression companies and banks around
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the world rushed to hide their financial
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problems
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and countless people lost their jobs and
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savings including hundreds of thousands
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in germany
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this was the context in which
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legislators introduced statutory audits
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for stock companies in 1931
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globalization accelerated the economy
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companies grew quickly and formed
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international networks
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auditors grew too
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in the 1980s eight accounting firms
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dominated the international industry
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they expanded and merged
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forming the big six
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then it became the big five
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and just a short while later the big
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four
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kpmg
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ey
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deloitte and pwc
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in germany the institute of public
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auditors or idw helps influence auditing
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rules
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the privately run organization
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represents the interests of more than a
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thousand public auditing firms in
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germany including the big four
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class peter naumann says the job of an
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auditor is clearly defined
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auditors are required by law to
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carefully verify annual financial
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statements
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they are also supposed to maintain
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professional skepticism toward the
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companies they audit and follow a
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specific procedure
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an audit is designed to detect errors in
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financial statements
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whether due to fraud or not is
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irrelevant
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when a company opens its books its
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business is laid bare in numbers
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order to see where money flows in
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and where it then flows out
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bank accounts marketing costs
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operating expenses and acquisitions
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the bigger the company the more
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complicated this flow of money can be
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auditors generally cannot examine a
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company in its entirety
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they instead choose an area to focus on
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the one where they suspect the highest
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risk
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they compare the company's statements
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with the actual financial transactions
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to gain an understanding of each of the
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transactions
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if the auditor finds no fault in the
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company's annual financial statement
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they give what's called an unmodified
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opinion a seal of approval for the
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company
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the auditor's verdict on wirecard was
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trusted for many years
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and to this day ey maintains an audited
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wirecard to the best of its knowledge
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and according to protocol
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if companies like that bluff and
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auditors don't notice
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it's over because then we can no longer
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rely on the very foundation of business
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namely the numbers
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fabio dumasi co-chaired germany's
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wirecard parliamentary inquiry committee
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together with parliamentarians from all
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political parties dimasi began
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investigating the german company's
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collapse in october 2020.
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the committee questioned 110 witnesses
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over nine months
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one of the key questions
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did ey make mistakes
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the wirecard scandal was not the first
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time the big auditors had to face
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criticism
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for five years horizontal boring machine
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company flotex inflated its results with
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fake sales
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and kpmg didn't notice then either
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leading to damages of more than 5
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billion deutsche marks
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the biggest white collar crime ever in
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germany
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in the u.s energy company enron inflated
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its profits for years its auditor arthur
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anderson was one of the big five back
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then and once again the auditor failed
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to detect the fraud enron filed for
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bankruptcy in 2001
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and senior anderson employees destroyed
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company documents without permission
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following the scandal the auditor
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surrendered its license to audit listed
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companies
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but it never recovered and was
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eventually dissolved
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in 2008 it was investment bank lehman
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brothers filing for bankruptcy
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lehman had used accounting tricks to
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hide its financial situation for years
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and ey kept approving their cooked books
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markets are in shock stocks are
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plummeting
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lehman brothers eventually collapsed
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under massive debt in 2008 triggering
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the largest financial and economic
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crisis since the second world war
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taxpayer money was used to save banks
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around the world 59 billion euros in
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germany alone
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escaped
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these are isolated cases of corporate
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fraud that auditors failed to detect
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and each case has won too many
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but can we say that because of these 10
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scandals in 90 years auditing which
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checks thousands of financial statements
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every year doesn't work
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auditors rarely help uncover corporate
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scandals
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one possible explanation is that there
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are conflicts of interest
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companies hire and pay their auditors
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themselves a practice based on a
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government assumption that companies
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have an interest in being properly
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audited
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then the workshops perform
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is different auditing boosts the
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public's trust in a company and its
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finances
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often from underneath
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karolo rinka is an expert on financial
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statements and a consultant
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she says the fact that companies pay
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their auditors is problematic
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if we agree on a deadline and i don't
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meet it increasing costs then the client
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might say see that you stay within it or
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next year we'll hire another auditor
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antoine delta is all too familiar with
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this pressure he worked as a junior
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auditor at pwc in luxembourg for two
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years
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if an auditor sees something it's
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against his interest to speak up
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especially if they don't want to correct
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it it's impossible to audit well
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and there's an additional factor
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complicating the order to company
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relationship
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next to auditing the big four also offer
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consulting
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they advise clients on digitalization
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sustainability
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and taxes
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the big four are incredibly
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influential in our market economy they
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have
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a lot of services that really impact how
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business is done
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silas styles home says this creates yet
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another conflict of interest
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you cannot see someone as a
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your client and then also investigate
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them critically as the regulator you
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have to be on one side or the other
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the big four's core business used to be
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auditing but now it only accounts for
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around a third of their revenue
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around two-thirds comes from consultancy
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when it's not revised if i know the
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auditing market is limited and fees are
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essentially stagnant and consultancy is
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the opposite then it makes sense to
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offer the latter
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night
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virginia
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doing well financially ensures quality
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at the auditing firm
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i'd like to add that doing well
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financially also secures financial
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independence
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and anyone who isn't financially
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independent is probably most likely to
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look the other way for a client they're
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auditing when they shouldn't
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profit made from consulting ensures
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auditors can remain independent
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at least according to class peter
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nullman
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but is this theory true
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are auditors independent from their
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clients
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another former pwc employee shared his
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experience in the u.s
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our robota worked as an auditor at pwc
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for 18 years
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the problem is that many companies that
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i experienced
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didn't have the competency in-house
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to document the complexity of the
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transactions that they were doing
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but instead of hiring third-party
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consultants to do that for them the
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auditors was doing it for them because
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again
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once you do that
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management likes you the auditor is not
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supposed to do that because the auditor
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should audit if the auditor ends up
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doing it then who audits the auditors
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bottle repeatedly reported his findings
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to his superiors
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since i started to report those things
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internally my performance rating started
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to
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gradually decline and i was not allowed
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to work on jobs progressively
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this is how maura water sees it
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records show that his superior said
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bottle was too critical of his clients
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management tend to hire comp auditors
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that are more friendly or that are less
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inclined to
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give negative control opinions which
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meant that if we alone were the one that
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were giving adverse control opinion when
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the other three did not
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we would not have been hired in the
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market
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marrow bottle was fired in 2017.
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his suit for reinstatement was dismissed
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by a california court in august 2021
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michelle geschrei is a certified public
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accountant and chairman of the
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association for medium-sized company
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auditing
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he says the big four of forcing smaller
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auditing firms out of the market just
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one of the reasons why he's been
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campaigning for years for a strictest
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separation between auditing and
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consulting
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you just can't trace what effect
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consulting has on the independence of
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the auditors
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following the financial crisis the topic
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was put on the eu agenda in 2010.
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eu commissioner michel barnier also felt
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the independence of auditors was at risk
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is it healthy for the same firms to be
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auditing and consulting
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is complete independence even possible
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in that context
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we hoped what he said would become
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reality
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wanted to strictly separate auditing and
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consultancy
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he also said companies should be
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required to change auditors every 10
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years
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what followed was a lobbying campaign
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which michelle barnier correctly
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described as the biggest campaign ever
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in brussels
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[Music]
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sven gigold was the coordinator of the
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eu committee on economic and monetary
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affairs until 2021
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he saw lobbyists working for large
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auditors exert political influence in
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brussels
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[Music]
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they're talking to the decision makers
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and they're meeting them early on when
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it's crucial at the commission or at the
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ministries of the member states
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in the end hardly anything remained of
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michelle barnier's ideas
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member states themselves got to decide
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which eu auditing reforms they
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introduced
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germany introduced several exceptions
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auditors could still act as consultants
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to companies they audit
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and they could order the company for
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longer than 10 years
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how this reform developed reveals
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another potential conflict of interest
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we know the big four regularly get
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lucrative consultancy contracts with
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german ministries
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including ey
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even after wirecard
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these consultancy contracts still exist
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these problems show that the best people
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no longer work in the ministries
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[Music]
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this problem also applies to the order
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to watchdog known as apas in germany
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apas checks whether auditors maintain
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their independence
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over half of its employees used to work
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at one of the big four
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[Music]
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so if you have a system where there are
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four organizations that have penetrated
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the government institution that are
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supposed to oversee them
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they are essentially
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untouchable
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governments often have to rely on
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external experts
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and the big four are very happy to offer
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their expertise
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when it comes to the big four there's a
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kind of conspiracy theory about how some
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shady power influences everything
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but that's just part of a desperate
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search to find a physical power behind
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global capitalism
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in globalization
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economic power gives them political sway
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[Music]
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for antoine delta getting a job at the
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big four was a great opportunity
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he started working for pwc in luxembourg
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in 2008
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i'm interested in numbers and i'm
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analytical so this was a good fit
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he believed auditors could positively
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impact society
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it's very important for auditors to be
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independent
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societies rely on financial data being
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correct
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pwc is a demanding employer with long
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working hours and high pressure
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over time antoine del tour began to
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understand how luxembourg worked as a
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financial center
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in utah
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some audits really shocked me because i
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was investigating empty shell companies
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with no employees no revenue no real
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economic activity in luxembourg
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were supposed to create transparency
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about the societal benefits of working
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as an auditor at pwc
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he lost his motivation after two years
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he resigned
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but before leaving he came across
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confidential tax returns
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they showed that luxembourg lured
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international companies with deals
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tailor-made by pwc that slashed
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corporate taxes to less than one percent
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every tax trick just short of illegal is
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being used to move profit made in one
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country
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into another country to be taxed at a
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lower rate
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pwc even prepared tax rulings with the
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letterhead of luxembourg's tax
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authorities
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government officials just had to sign
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pwc was practically a division of
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luxembourg's financial administration
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it's unreal
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anton del toro shared the documents with
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a french journalist
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and he was then charged by luxembourg
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authorities in 2014 for leaking
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documents
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but in 2018 he was recognized as a
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whistleblower
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[Applause]
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pwc isn't the only firm selling such tax
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strategies they bring in a lot of money
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for kpmg ey deloitte and other tax
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consultants all over the world
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yeah of course that's is some extra
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spice to the discussion on the big four
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particularly when you think about how
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important they are for a functioning
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market economy it's a little bit
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worrying that they are also
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the ones who
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undermine the society in some ways by
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showing
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businesses how they can practice a
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tax aggressiveness
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according to the european commission the
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eu loses up to 70 billion euros a year
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due to corporate tax tricks
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around half of the eu's annual budget
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the biggest damage is that people feel
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like some people are above the law those
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who get expert advice have an
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international network and don't pay
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their taxes
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this lowers the entire system's
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legitimacy
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that's a difficult area
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when is it morally objectionable to use
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tax laws put in place by the legislator
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who's the sovereign schemer
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tax competition also causes tax
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avoidance because
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i mean what is an incentive for some is
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a strategy for someone else
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consultants are supposed to tell their
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clients about the various opportunities
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i don't do that then my clients can
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later say i caused them financial damage
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because i didn't tell them all the
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options
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but the big four aren't just advising
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their clients
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what's very problematic is that many are
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also involved in legislation and other
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things in ministries
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every country has its own tax laws and
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the resulting complexity leads to a need
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for expertise
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exactly what the big four and their
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international networks offer
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viazeen by their bratung de untonimen
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our consulting allows us to see where
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the problems in the tax systems are
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and we tell politicians the government
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the finance ministry and the parliament
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of mexico
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it's okay to speak with experts even
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business experts but when they're
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practically co-writing laws without the
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public or even parliamentarians knowing
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that's a problem
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spring 2021
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ey auditors come under scrutiny by the
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wirecard parliamentary committee
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a team of auditors was appointed as
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special investigators
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the committee asked them to review ey's
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wirecard audit
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their findings were summarized in the
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wambach report
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although confidential it was leaked to
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some journalists
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felix holtermann works for handelsblatt
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a german financial paper and had been
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following the wirecard case for a long
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time his desk also got a copy of the
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wambach
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the report report is the first public
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audit of one of the big four's work
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its findings are crucial
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the investigators looked at records from
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2016 until 2021 and tried to ascertain
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whether ey should have uncovered the
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fraud earlier
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in 2016.
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wirecard bought a dubious indian
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payments firm for a great deal of money
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a suspicion arose that wirecard managers
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made money off the deal
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in response emy started project ring a
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forensic audit according to the wambach
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report
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but there were problems
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wirecard management didn't sufficiently
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explain why they had overpaid for the
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takeover
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the one back report included a letter
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from march 29 2017 written by the ey
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auditor and addressed to the chairperson
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of wirecard's supervisory board
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if these points are not conclusively
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clarified there may be a modified
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opinion for the financial statements we
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would also like to inform you that we
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will decide whether we can continue to
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work together based on your reaction to
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this letter
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e y is threatening to not give an
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unmodified opinion
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and to withdraw from the auditing
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mandate
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this would have been a disaster for
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wirecard
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a modified opinion alone is enough for
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investors and banks to lose trust
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but it would have also been a big
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liability for the auditors
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not even a week after this letter and we
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don't know what happened during that
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time
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ey delivered its opinion
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unmodified
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did ey receive the information they
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needed
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the special investigators said the
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following in their report
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the information includes verbal and
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written explanations by the management
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board
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a proper clarification of the open
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points cannot be found in the documents
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if i'm just having the board confirm
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things then there's no point then i may
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as well skip it i need to maintain a
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skeptical attitude and assume something
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is incorrect
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this isn't the only time ey spotted
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problems at wirecard
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in the supervisory board's notes which
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handles blood obtained the auditors said
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the following in 2019
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doubts about the management's integrity
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ey doubts the board's integrity
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pretty much the strongest statement an
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auditor can make
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but in 2019 ey again gave wirecard an
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unmodified opinion
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but they did refer to fraud
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investigations against wirecard
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employees in singapore in their final
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report ey said the following in a
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written statement
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very few annual financial statements of
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dax companies have contained such
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statements
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this alone shows that this was an
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unusual measure
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but the auditor's comments received
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little attention
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and wirecard skillfully concealed its
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true value in the final report
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as a woman
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if you look at the balance sheet
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you see 2.7 billion euros in cash and
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cash equivalents
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nothing about how this also includes
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money in escrow
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on the financial statement it looked as
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if wirecard was swimming in money
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and young had an idea throughout the
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years it was auditing
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ernst young failed to obtain independent
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confirmation
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that these funds existed
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instead ey relied on trustees
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in a written statement ey said
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the complex criminal web was designed to
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deceive numerous stakeholders including
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investors bank regulators supervisory
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boards auditors
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despite their diligent and extensive
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efforts
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ey had become suspicious
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but it seems they nonetheless continue
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to trust wirecard's management board in
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key moments
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ey relied on board statements while
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simultaneously doubting its integrity
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even as an external observer
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that makes you wonder how ey could have
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issued audit certificates all those
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years
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to this day it's unclear why ey auditors
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did not heed the many warning signals
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the damage to their reputation is
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considerable
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clients such as commerce bank deutsche
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telekom and kfw a government bank ended
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their auditing agreements with ey
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in 2020 munich state prosecutors opened
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investigation into the partners at ey
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who audited wirecard
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june 2021 the parliamentary inquiry
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committee presented its final report on
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wirecard
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this fraud should have been stopped
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early on ladies and gentlemen
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the auditors should have verified
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whether the 1.9 billion euros one-third
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of the balance sheet was actually in a
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philippines escrow account
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according to the committee it was not
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only the auditors who failed
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the case has exposed a radical failing
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by authorities especially by bar finn
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barfin is germany's financial
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supervisory authority
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responsible for monitoring small banks
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insurance companies and securities
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trading
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when in 2019 fresh fraud allegations
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against wirecard caused a steep drop in
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its share price
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finn banned investors from betting
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against the company without verifying
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whether there were problems with
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wirecard's balance sheet
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the financial regulator claimed that was
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outside its responsibilities
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if i'm not responsible for something
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it's not my fault
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olaf schultz was finance minister at the
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time and the head of barfin
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he held that position from 2018 to 2021
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schultz told the parliamentary committee
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he didn't feel barfin had protected
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wirecart
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but he conceded that state controls to
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prevent and detect financial fraud were
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insufficient
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that's why it's so important for us to
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do everything by ensuring our powers and
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rules are strong to prevent a repeating
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the german act to strengthen financial
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market integrity or fisk was passed in
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june 2021
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the law was supposed to help strengthen
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confidence in the german financial
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market
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and place more comprehensive rules on
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auditors
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with fisk germany implemented the eu
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auditing reform proposed by michelle
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barnier in 2011
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the obligation to separate the auditing
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and consulting for major companies was
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taken seriously
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auditors are now no longer allowed to
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audit a publicly traded company for more
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than 10 years
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and auditors also have more liability
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related to audits under civil law
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listed stock companies must have
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effective internal controls
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and barfin has more power and is
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directly responsible for monitoring
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balance sheets
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some parts of this law are useful but
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when it comes to auditing it doesn't go
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far enough
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i would have liked a stronger separation
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of auditing and consulting
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but it won't improve the quality of
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audits
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in the end
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the fisk may lead to an even more
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concentrated audit market
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more rules means more bureaucracy which
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often goes beyond the capacities of
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smaller firms
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sven gigold says the fisk doesn't
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address the actual problem
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stricter public supervision
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but if the thousands of auditors have
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conflicts of interest
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then just adding supervision on top is
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attacking from the wrong end
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let's be honest
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was an opportunity missed
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thomas haggett is disappointed
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the law hasn't restored his trust
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venezuela
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since they say pensions aren't safe
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and that everyone should fend for
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themselves
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the government and politicians have to
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make sure that auditors keep an eye on
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things
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and catch fraud before it happens
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what would need to happen for that to be
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guaranteed by auditing
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i believe that in every country the
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auditing job should be done by the
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governments not by private companies
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private corporations have always the
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for-profit as a goal
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and
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the conflict that exists as far as
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independence it will never be solved
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fabio de marzi would like to see radical
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changes to the market system
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auditing and consultancy need to be
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strictly separated
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we need to break up the big players and
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we need to require the inclusion of
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mid-sized auditors
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when it comes to incorrect balance
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sheets class peter naumann says the
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companies are primarily responsible
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the supervisory board has to ensure
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compliance if the board isn't doing its
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job authorities must intervene and
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baffin needs more rights
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how much public involvement you would
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want in any solution and how much
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market-based involvement you would want
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in any solution
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that is a political
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question wirecard shows once again that
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audits cannot offer sufficient
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protection against financial fraud
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markets need reliable monitoring free of
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conflicts of interest
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you