018 - The Human Relationship with NHI

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摘要

TLDRIn this episode of Event Horizon, Janice and Darren explore the intricate dynamics between humanity and non-human intelligence (NHI). They reflect on their recent discussions about the unfolding design in the world and the role of free will, particularly in relation to NHI. The conversation covers various hypotheses about NHI's influence on human affairs, including the idea of Earth as a school for spiritual growth, a farm for exploitation, a zoo for observation, a simulation, and a garden for co-creation. They emphasize the importance of language in shaping our understanding and the need to recognize our energetic relationships with these concepts, which ultimately influence our reality. The episode encourages listeners to consider how their perceptions and choices impact their interactions with NHI and the world around them.

心得

  • 🌍 Earth as a school for spiritual growth.
  • 👽 The role of free will in our interactions with NHI.
  • 🗣️ Language shapes our understanding of reality.
  • 🔄 Energetic relationships influence our experiences.
  • 🌱 Co-creation and nurturing as a guiding principle.
  • 🦄 The importance of perspective in understanding NHI.
  • 🔍 Observation versus exploitation in the NHI context.
  • 🎮 Simulation theory and its implications.
  • 🌌 The interconnectedness of all beings.
  • 💡 The significance of personal agency in shaping reality.

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  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Janice and Darren introduce themselves and discuss their recent in-person meeting, highlighting their ongoing conversations about the intersection of free will and non-human intelligence (NHI) in human affairs. They reference Matthew Brown's interview, which raises questions about the nature of reality and the potential role of NHI in human existence.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Darren emphasizes the complexity of disclosure regarding NHI, suggesting that the implications of their involvement in human affairs are profound. He reflects on the varying interpretations of NHI's intentions, particularly the idea that humans may be viewed as resources, and how this notion can evoke fear or different interpretations based on individual perspectives.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Janice discusses the importance of language in understanding the relationship between humans and NHI. She argues that the term 'resource' can have multiple meanings and that fear-based paradigms can distort our understanding of NHI's intentions. She emphasizes the need for a broader perspective that recognizes the beauty of human experience and the potential for positive interactions with NHI.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Darren and Janice reflect on their own conversations about free will and the self, noting the challenges of communicating complex ideas. They discuss the limitations of language and the potential for telepathy to facilitate clearer communication. They also explore the idea that fear can shape our interactions with NHI and the importance of approaching these relationships with a sense of empowerment.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Janice shares her perspective on the nature of reality and the importance of not viewing oneself as a victim. She emphasizes the need to cultivate a neutral energetic state to navigate interactions with NHI and to avoid projecting fear onto these beings. She believes that embracing love and acceptance can lead to more positive experiences.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Darren recounts a personal experience with a mountain lion, illustrating how fear can shape our interactions with other beings. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing our own power and agency in these situations, suggesting that our energetic state can influence the nature of our interactions with NHI.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The conversation shifts to the idea of humanity's sovereignty and the potential for both free will and external influence. They discuss the notion that humans are part of a larger cosmic experiment, exploring the balance between individual agency and the influence of NHI. They argue that both perspectives can coexist and that understanding this relationship is crucial for personal growth.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Janice and Darren explore the concept of Earth as a school for spiritual development, emphasizing the importance of mastery and growth rather than viewing it as a place of drudgery. They discuss the idea that challenges can lead to personal growth and that the experience of being human is an opportunity for advanced mastery.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    The discussion moves to the idea of a farm, where NHI exploit humanity for resources. Janice expresses skepticism about this notion, emphasizing the sovereignty of souls and the idea that individuals choose their experiences. They argue against the idea of being victims and highlight the importance of personal agency in shaping reality.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    Darren and Janice discuss the zoo hypothesis, where humanity is observed by NHI. They find this perspective neutral and suggest that observation can lead to growth and understanding. They emphasize the importance of recognizing the interconnectedness of all beings and the potential for learning from these experiences.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:58:06

    The conversation concludes with the idea of Earth as a garden, where NHI act as caretakers and support the flourishing of humanity. They emphasize the importance of stewardship and the interconnectedness of all life, suggesting that a harmonious relationship with NHI can lead to collective growth and evolution.

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视频问答

  • What is the main topic of the episode?

    The episode discusses the relationship between humanity and non-human intelligence (NHI), exploring how NHI may influence human affairs.

  • What are some hypotheses discussed regarding NHI?

    The hypotheses include Earth as a school, a farm, a zoo, a simulation, and a garden.

  • How do Janice and Darren view the concept of free will?

    They emphasize that free will is influenced by our perspective and energetic alignment with reality.

  • What role does language play in understanding NHI?

    Language is critical in shaping our perceptions and understanding of NHI and our experiences.

  • What is the significance of energetic relationships?

    Our energetic relationships with different hypotheses can determine our reality and how we interact with NHI.

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  • 00:00:00
    [Music]
  • 00:00:18
    Hi, I'm Janice. And I'm Darren. And this
  • 00:00:21
    is Event Horizon. So, some of you might
  • 00:00:24
    be surprised to know that it wasn't
  • 00:00:25
    until early April at Archives of the
  • 00:00:27
    Impossible that Darren and I first met
  • 00:00:29
    in the flesh. Was almost a year after we
  • 00:00:32
    started recording Event Horizon. We had
  • 00:00:35
    the opportunity to meet again in person
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    last weekend when Darren was here in the
  • 00:00:38
    Denver area to do a very well-received
  • 00:00:40
    talk for MUON. We had a whole day
  • 00:00:43
    together and as you can imagine, we
  • 00:00:44
    spent the entire time talking. One of
  • 00:00:47
    the topics that came up over and over in
  • 00:00:48
    a variety of ways is how to understand
  • 00:00:50
    the larger design unfolding in the world
  • 00:00:53
    right now and the role that free will
  • 00:00:55
    plays in it all, especially as it
  • 00:00:57
    intersects with what we know about the
  • 00:00:59
    possible role of non-human intelligence
  • 00:01:01
    in human affairs. This intersection was
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    perfectly epitomized in Matthew Brown's
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    most recent interview with Jeremy
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    Corbell and George Knap's podcast
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    weaponized when he posited, "What I have
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    learned is that we live in a dream, a
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    carefully constructed reality. We make
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    use of a science that is tightly
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    controlled, tightly suppressed, and
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    distorted. I think I have a good degree
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    of confidence that they're here because
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    of us. I think life, especially sensient
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    life, is a precious thing. And I think
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    to some we might be a resource." This
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    left everybody dangling wondering what
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    he meant by that. So this is the topic
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    of today's conversation. So Darren, to
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    what degree are NHI overseeing human
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    affairs?
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    This is an ongoing question and we've
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    talked about and I've talked about in
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    other podcasts too that disclosure is
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    tricky and prickly because the issue
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    isn't just are there aliens visiting us
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    but to what degree has our entire
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    civilization perhaps been controlled
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    even seated by these various others. So
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    the implications are immense. It was
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    very interesting hearing Matthew Brown
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    in that interview. I thought to myself,
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    it would be good to reflect on what he
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    said in light of what experiences have
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    been told over time. Because again, some
  • 00:02:17
    people can make the mistake of thinking,
  • 00:02:19
    we don't know anything about the
  • 00:02:21
    intention or the agenda of these beings
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    and we have to rely on government, which
  • 00:02:25
    usually means military personnel to tell
  • 00:02:27
    us. And they often seem to lean on this
  • 00:02:31
    either we don't know anything, or they
  • 00:02:32
    leave it with a kind of ominous tone
  • 00:02:35
    like what was said here. And now we
  • 00:02:37
    don't know the full context of what
  • 00:02:39
    Matthew is discussing there. But the
  • 00:02:41
    fact that they ended an episode with
  • 00:02:43
    that notion that they may see us as a
  • 00:02:45
    resource that can be taken many
  • 00:02:47
    different ways. I think some people
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    could recognize that as an energetic
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    thing and that's true of all life forms
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    that we're all energy. But many people I
  • 00:02:56
    think will take that as a potentially
  • 00:02:58
    ominous sign that they want to use us
  • 00:03:00
    that they see us as cattle or some sort
  • 00:03:02
    of commodity that they use. So, this is
  • 00:03:05
    something that I'm really looking
  • 00:03:07
    forward to digging into with you,
  • 00:03:08
    Janice, because like you said, this is
  • 00:03:10
    part of our conversations. We were
  • 00:03:12
    talking non-stop, like you said, last
  • 00:03:13
    weekend as we hiked around the beautiful
  • 00:03:15
    areas where you live. And this is
  • 00:03:18
    something that comes up a lot for us. We
  • 00:03:20
    actually tackled this notion of a
  • 00:03:22
    control structure, whether alien, human,
  • 00:03:25
    or some combination of the two, on an
  • 00:03:28
    earlier podcast. I think we've been out
  • 00:03:29
    ahead of this more than most. So, let me
  • 00:03:32
    pass it back to you. When you first
  • 00:03:33
    heard him say that, what did you think
  • 00:03:35
    about what he said? But more
  • 00:03:36
    importantly, how did you think that
  • 00:03:38
    would be received by the public? We both
  • 00:03:41
    probably would think it'd be perceived
  • 00:03:42
    like everybody else listening. I think
  • 00:03:44
    one of the things I think a lot about in
  • 00:03:46
    this process of what we call awakening
  • 00:03:48
    or whatever this is that's happening on
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    the planet is language and the degree to
  • 00:03:52
    which it's extraordinarily critical and
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    the degree to which we lack language
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    that is going to help us really
  • 00:04:00
    understand. So for example, word
  • 00:04:02
    resource could be anything, right? I
  • 00:04:04
    know a lot of people will default to the
  • 00:04:05
    assumptions they have about we live in a
  • 00:04:07
    prison planet. We are, you know, we're
  • 00:04:09
    being recycled and we're being
  • 00:04:10
    controlled and that immediately will
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    speak to that. When I hear that though,
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    because I don't have that as a dominant
  • 00:04:16
    paradigm, I don't I think resource could
  • 00:04:19
    be anything. I mean, resource can be uh
  • 00:04:22
    you're a resource for me. I mean, you're
  • 00:04:24
    you know, you're somebody I go to for
  • 00:04:27
    for elucidation and conversation. I mean
  • 00:04:30
    it it doesn't have to mean something
  • 00:04:32
    nefarious. So I think challenge in
  • 00:04:35
    language uh is really going to be an
  • 00:04:38
    issue when we're talking about
  • 00:04:39
    communications with NHI and not just
  • 00:04:42
    language but I think because we're going
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    to draw from the paradigms that are that
  • 00:04:46
    are standard for us and as we all know
  • 00:04:48
    here we live in a very threat focused
  • 00:04:52
    world. I mean most of our look at a ton
  • 00:04:54
    of our language it's either sports
  • 00:04:56
    related or war related. We do battle
  • 00:04:59
    with, you know, our demons. We we
  • 00:05:01
    conquer, you know, we we have a very
  • 00:05:04
    particular set of dominant paradigmatic
  • 00:05:07
    lexicons that we never question. I think
  • 00:05:10
    that's a problem when we're interacting
  • 00:05:12
    with species that may have a very very
  • 00:05:14
    different understanding of the nature of
  • 00:05:17
    reality. So, like I know we for example
  • 00:05:19
    we've talked before about how there
  • 00:05:22
    seems to be some lack of concern about
  • 00:05:25
    human suffering or human mortality, but
  • 00:05:28
    what is that if you're a species that
  • 00:05:30
    knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that
  • 00:05:32
    these bodies are not they're just
  • 00:05:35
    temporary
  • 00:05:36
    anyway? You know, they're not that
  • 00:05:38
    worried about it because if you quote
  • 00:05:41
    unquote die, you're basically passing
  • 00:05:42
    through a portal into another space and
  • 00:05:44
    you'll have another body, right? So, I
  • 00:05:46
    think there's a lot here that we're
  • 00:05:48
    going to have to be mindful about and
  • 00:05:50
    careful about. And that's what I thought
  • 00:05:51
    about when I heard him say that. And I
  • 00:05:53
    know you and I have had a lot of
  • 00:05:54
    conversation about how do well, first of
  • 00:05:57
    all, we don't really know. Second of
  • 00:05:58
    all, how do we help ourselves not be so
  • 00:06:02
    afraid? And what does it mean if we
  • 00:06:05
    start to interact from an assumption
  • 00:06:07
    that we're cattle versus from an
  • 00:06:10
    assumption that we have an experience as
  • 00:06:13
    humans on a planet that's
  • 00:06:15
    extraordinarily beautiful and biodiverse
  • 00:06:17
    that could share um that is beautiful
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    and that others want to participate in
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    in some way.
  • 00:06:24
    Yeah, great points. And the language
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    piece is really well said because you
  • 00:06:29
    and I both know that in our history, as
  • 00:06:31
    much as we have in common and have
  • 00:06:33
    similar spiritual backgrounds, similar
  • 00:06:36
    spiritual trainings, even you and I, as
  • 00:06:38
    much as we recognize we had a vast
  • 00:06:40
    amount in common, it took months and
  • 00:06:42
    months and months of conversations, like
  • 00:06:44
    multiple hour conversations to really
  • 00:06:46
    flesh out what we meant by certain
  • 00:06:48
    terms. Like you and I had this
  • 00:06:51
    conversation ongoingly about free will
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    and the self, but then we realized
  • 00:06:55
    sometimes we were speaking of the self
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    from the perspective of the body, mind
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    of Janice and Darren, and sometimes we
  • 00:07:00
    meant more at the sort of oversoul
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    level. Of course, the challenge is in
  • 00:07:04
    English or any language for that matter,
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    we don't really have terms that
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    distinguish those two. So, we have to go
  • 00:07:10
    out of our way either to become familiar
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    enough with each other that we know what
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    we're referring to or we have to be very
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    specific with kind of awkward
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    terminology to make sense of this. And
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    this kind of plays into as well
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    something you and I have talked about
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    and I've talked about in classes and
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    podcast and that is how telepathy is so
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    much more efficient here because there's
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    no miscommunication. You can actually
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    share the fullness of what you're trying
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    to communicate rather than have to rely
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    on these kind of clunky symbols that we
  • 00:07:36
    we call words. Now, in terms of what
  • 00:07:40
    Matthew said, yes, I agree with you. I
  • 00:07:43
    think about the word resource and I
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    think about it in many different ways.
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    Even when people say things like the
  • 00:07:48
    grays see humans as containers for
  • 00:07:50
    souls, again, the question is while
  • 00:07:53
    everybody's freaking out about that, the
  • 00:07:55
    question is in what way do they mean
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    that? Because if they mean the body,
  • 00:07:59
    yes, then shedding that is no different
  • 00:08:01
    than taking off a cardigan. So, this
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    really does change things. And I'm
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    thinking here about there was a case
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    where someone had a mantis being in
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    front of them and the mantis being was
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    almost a bit frustrated that the human
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    being was not recognizing that they
  • 00:08:15
    meant no harm and at one point this
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    human being perceived their body being
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    thrashed about basically and then
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    suddenly in a split second it was
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    reconstituted. And it's very interesting
  • 00:08:26
    how different people interpret that
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    event because some people will say
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    that's clearly a malevolent entity that
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    was trying to scare him. But another way
  • 00:08:34
    to look at it and the way that I
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    actually looked at it was that the
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    mantis being was trying to show the
  • 00:08:39
    person that they are not their body and
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    that fear is a mentality. It's a
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    energetic wavelength which diminishes
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    you. And this fits with something you
  • 00:08:49
    were referring there to because I think
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    something people really underestimate is
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    the degree to which there is no fixed
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    relationship with these beings with
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    these various beings with any being for
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    that matter. It really depends on how we
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    choose to interact with that being. If
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    we assume they're better than us,
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    they're more powerful than us, they can
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    control us, that will largely set the
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    energetic signature by which we
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    communicate with them. And many of the
  • 00:09:16
    say less than benevolent beings, less
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    than mature beings fully know that and
  • 00:09:21
    will use that as a tactic to make us
  • 00:09:23
    feel diminished so they can control us.
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    So, one thing we're going to talk about
  • 00:09:26
    today is that it's not that there's
  • 00:09:28
    these fixed arrangements that we just
  • 00:09:30
    have to get used to, but how we choose
  • 00:09:32
    to show up makes all the difference. I
  • 00:09:34
    think it's something both you and I
  • 00:09:36
    recognize. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. You
  • 00:09:39
    know, I think about this too a lot. It's
  • 00:09:41
    like there's so much I can't know.
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    There's I can guess at, we can talk
  • 00:09:45
    about it. We can compare notes. We do.
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    Lots of us do. And but at the end of the
  • 00:09:49
    day, this question you just raised is
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    always always there in front of me. How
  • 00:09:54
    do I want to show up? Cuz that's the one
  • 00:09:56
    thing I have some choice over. And at
  • 00:09:58
    least for me, I don't want to live with
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    fear is my master. Even if even if it's
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    if it is a fair scary future, I I gain
  • 00:10:07
    nothing by living that way today. And I
  • 00:10:10
    have everything to gain by basically
  • 00:10:12
    assuming up going wide. And I don't
  • 00:10:15
    experience myself as somebody who's
  • 00:10:17
    trapped and enslaved. I never I've never
  • 00:10:19
    experienced that. So maybe it's a little
  • 00:10:20
    easier for me. I mean, I've definitely
  • 00:10:22
    had hard luck experiences like a lot of
  • 00:10:24
    people, but I just don't fundamentally
  • 00:10:26
    feel that way. So, I'm not dealing with
  • 00:10:28
    that, which I think is a slightly
  • 00:10:30
    different animal that we do project out
  • 00:10:32
    unfortunately. You know, having deep
  • 00:10:35
    pools of fear, especially if it's
  • 00:10:36
    distorted in its pockets and you don't
  • 00:10:38
    know where it is, is something that we
  • 00:10:40
    end up projecting. And I think that's
  • 00:10:42
    part of the nature of reality. I don't
  • 00:10:43
    know that anybody can I don't even know
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    if if uh NHI could stop us from doing
  • 00:10:48
    that if we're really in it because we're
  • 00:10:50
    basically creating the reality as we see
  • 00:10:53
    it through a mental projection even
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    though we have no idea that's what we're
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    doing. So I do spend a lot of time just
  • 00:11:01
    deciding to be in the most neutral
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    energetic state which I experience as
  • 00:11:07
    love, acceptance, compassion. It's not
  • 00:11:09
    actually neutral feeling inside of me,
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    but I think energetically that's the
  • 00:11:13
    neutral stance because I'm pretty sure I
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    remember that that stance allows me to
  • 00:11:19
    navigate through a lot of rooms even if
  • 00:11:21
    they're scary and they have scary beings
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    in them because it's the energetic
  • 00:11:26
    connection between the two beings that
  • 00:11:28
    ends up causing an an effect. So if I'm
  • 00:11:31
    afraid and I'm in the presence of
  • 00:11:33
    something that is wanting to dance with
  • 00:11:36
    me energetically and it's you know
  • 00:11:37
    inviting me to be afraid now I've just
  • 00:11:39
    entered a dance and that's on me. So if
  • 00:11:42
    I want to get out of that dance I need
  • 00:11:44
    to neutralize my charge. That's the way
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    I've construed. I know it's a little bit
  • 00:11:48
    out there but that's the way I've I meet
  • 00:11:50
    all of this and it it feels a lot you
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    know no matter how I die it feels a lot
  • 00:11:54
    better to live this way than to be
  • 00:11:56
    afraid and be thinking about prison
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    planets all the time. Yeah. Absolutely.
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    No, I completely agree with that. And as
  • 00:12:02
    a really pragmatic example of this, I
  • 00:12:04
    remember one time hiking in a national
  • 00:12:06
    forest, and I've told this story in a
  • 00:12:07
    few different places, and suddenly from
  • 00:12:10
    up behind a tree stepped a mountain
  • 00:12:11
    lion, a very large mountain lion, and he
  • 00:12:14
    didn't actually look that perturbed. He
  • 00:12:16
    didn't look like he was glaring at me
  • 00:12:18
    and showing me his teeth. But
  • 00:12:20
    nevertheless, I went into a fear
  • 00:12:21
    response immediately. Now, initially,
  • 00:12:24
    when I spoke to the park ranger
  • 00:12:25
    afterwards, he said, "I handled it well
  • 00:12:27
    because I made myself as big as
  • 00:12:28
    possible. I shouted. I made myself look
  • 00:12:30
    like I was going to be a problem. But
  • 00:12:32
    then when he moved off to the side of
  • 00:12:34
    the path, I went down the trail. When I
  • 00:12:36
    went around the corner, I started
  • 00:12:38
    running. I started running. Right now,
  • 00:12:41
    the park ranger said, "It can feel your
  • 00:12:43
    running feet through the pads of its
  • 00:12:45
    feet, through the earth." Right? And
  • 00:12:46
    what does it do? It sets the energetic
  • 00:12:48
    pattern. So, you are now prey and it is
  • 00:12:51
    predator. when it really did not have
  • 00:12:53
    that perspective when I first
  • 00:12:55
    encountered it. If it wanted to have me
  • 00:12:56
    for lunch, it would have jumped me from
  • 00:12:58
    behind and gone for my neck. That's what
  • 00:12:59
    I found out later. It clearly didn't. If
  • 00:13:02
    anything, it was being curious and
  • 00:13:03
    friendly. But once I chose fear, that
  • 00:13:06
    then determined the nature of the
  • 00:13:07
    interaction until I had to stop and turn
  • 00:13:09
    around and run back at it, and then it
  • 00:13:11
    thought twice and went off to the river
  • 00:13:12
    again. But that was a really useful
  • 00:13:16
    experience for me to think about how
  • 00:13:17
    this actually works. And what we're
  • 00:13:20
    really saying here is that because we're
  • 00:13:21
    all splinters of source, that means each
  • 00:13:24
    of these alien beings and us, we each
  • 00:13:26
    have the same capacity really to draw
  • 00:13:28
    upon. So what we want to sort of explore
  • 00:13:31
    today is how we can reconcile being an
  • 00:13:35
    eternal consciousness moving through
  • 00:13:37
    incarnations with apparent sovereignty
  • 00:13:39
    and agency with notions of humanity
  • 00:13:42
    being a seated species as part of an
  • 00:13:44
    ongoing species level biological
  • 00:13:47
    experiment. So this is the notion and
  • 00:13:49
    some people feel like these are mutually
  • 00:13:52
    exclusive that either you're a being
  • 00:13:54
    with sovereignty that is an eternal soul
  • 00:13:57
    or you're part of a biological
  • 00:13:58
    experiment or part of a simulation and
  • 00:14:00
    you have no control no agency. We're
  • 00:14:02
    going to argue today that both are true.
  • 00:14:06
    Now I was thinking we could walk through
  • 00:14:08
    each of the common ways that people tend
  • 00:14:10
    to think about this relationship. So the
  • 00:14:12
    first one that comes up is the notion of
  • 00:14:14
    a school. And here we have the notion of
  • 00:14:15
    spiritual development. So the core idea
  • 00:14:18
    here is earth is a place for learning,
  • 00:14:20
    soul growth and spiritual evolution. Key
  • 00:14:23
    themes are reincarnation, karma, free
  • 00:14:26
    will, lessons of polarity. So love
  • 00:14:29
    versus fear, service to self versus
  • 00:14:31
    service to others and the case of the
  • 00:14:33
    raw contact material. And again some
  • 00:14:36
    examples would be the law of one. The
  • 00:14:37
    raw contact material talks about this.
  • 00:14:39
    Theosophy talks about this. And this is
  • 00:14:41
    very much in line with new age thinking.
  • 00:14:44
    So Janice, how do you look at this
  • 00:14:46
    notion of Earth being a school and
  • 00:14:48
    therefore perhaps some of these beings
  • 00:14:50
    either being teachers or overseers that
  • 00:14:52
    are overseeing that ongoing process of
  • 00:14:54
    the kindergarten class, if you will. Oh,
  • 00:14:57
    I'm so glad you brought that up because
  • 00:14:58
    that was in my mind earlier to talk
  • 00:15:00
    about, you know, we you and I have had a
  • 00:15:01
    lot of conversations about the word
  • 00:15:03
    school. uh and I know that it is used in
  • 00:15:06
    the light worker world and a lot of the
  • 00:15:09
    you know the the world of people who are
  • 00:15:11
    seekers in a very particular way. It
  • 00:15:13
    often in it often conotes at least to me
  • 00:15:17
    this idea of labor of you know work like
  • 00:15:19
    you have to go to school like a
  • 00:15:20
    kindergartener and you have to sit there
  • 00:15:22
    and you have to learn things and I don't
  • 00:15:24
    think that that's not true. I think
  • 00:15:25
    there's probably some elements of that
  • 00:15:26
    but I've struggled with like all right I
  • 00:15:29
    don't I don't feel it that way. I don't
  • 00:15:30
    experience it that way. It's more like,
  • 00:15:32
    and this is where I think language is
  • 00:15:34
    going to become really important, an
  • 00:15:36
    opportunity for advanced mastery. Like I
  • 00:15:39
    incarnate in order to, you know, I'm I'm
  • 00:15:42
    a a leather worker and I've I'm been
  • 00:15:45
    working on trying to etch in a very
  • 00:15:47
    particular way like fine or I know a
  • 00:15:50
    mandala. I'm making a mandala, you know,
  • 00:15:51
    the sand mandalas and there's a lot of
  • 00:15:54
    nuanced placement of the sand of
  • 00:15:56
    different colors and in different
  • 00:15:58
    patterns. And I'm like, "All right, I'm
  • 00:16:00
    gonna incarnate and try to put it all
  • 00:16:01
    together and create something that I've
  • 00:16:03
    never done before." And it's it's hard.
  • 00:16:06
    It's work because I'm challenging myself
  • 00:16:09
    to get more nuance, more detailed, more
  • 00:16:11
    precise, more elegant. But that's not
  • 00:16:13
    the same as I got to go to school and
  • 00:16:15
    learn my ABCs to me. And I, you know,
  • 00:16:18
    one is kind of dudgery. And the other is
  • 00:16:20
    it's still a challenge. I've still got
  • 00:16:22
    to focus. I need discipline. I need
  • 00:16:24
    practice. I'm going to probably mess up
  • 00:16:25
    in some cases cuz I'm trying to put a
  • 00:16:28
    bunch of new skills together that I
  • 00:16:29
    haven't put together in the same way on
  • 00:16:30
    earth plane. But it's what I want is
  • 00:16:34
    driven from a desire to enhance my my
  • 00:16:38
    skill set. I think for me personally
  • 00:16:41
    that makes a pretty big difference. If
  • 00:16:42
    you're talking to me on one hand you're
  • 00:16:44
    telling me I have to go to school versus
  • 00:16:46
    I get to go improve my capacity to be
  • 00:16:49
    really elegant
  • 00:16:51
    artist. They're very different. So that
  • 00:16:54
    is really that that mastery um paradigm
  • 00:16:57
    is the one that I I feel is most
  • 00:16:59
    resonant with my personal experience and
  • 00:17:01
    I suspect probably everybody even though
  • 00:17:03
    we don't really remember it and I know
  • 00:17:05
    from you know people I have in my life
  • 00:17:08
    there's a bunch of us that do feel like
  • 00:17:09
    this is drudgery. I know that and and I
  • 00:17:11
    think it is hard. It does feel like
  • 00:17:13
    drudgery sometimes, but I like I would
  • 00:17:15
    challenge us to think about what if that
  • 00:17:17
    drudgery is you really trying to work a
  • 00:17:19
    whole new angle that you've never been
  • 00:17:21
    able to fully get in the same way and
  • 00:17:23
    this time you're doing it in this one
  • 00:17:25
    way. And it's just it's just hard. But
  • 00:17:28
    you know, you're going you're going to
  • 00:17:29
    do it. You're going to do it how you're
  • 00:17:30
    going to do it. You're certainly going
  • 00:17:31
    to you get lots of credit from yourself
  • 00:17:34
    for coming and trying. And I'm sure
  • 00:17:36
    it'll it make a difference. Yeah. Yeah.
  • 00:17:38
    And this is an interesting one because
  • 00:17:40
    we're back to this question of language
  • 00:17:42
    and connotation. And I remember you and
  • 00:17:44
    I had conversations and when I realized
  • 00:17:46
    that we weren't saying something very
  • 00:17:49
    different actually from each other. We
  • 00:17:50
    pretty much were in the same perspective
  • 00:17:51
    even though it seemed superficially like
  • 00:17:53
    we were saying different things. It's
  • 00:17:55
    because for me that connotation of
  • 00:17:58
    school is kind of like the mastery you
  • 00:18:00
    describe. So, I think it's a point well
  • 00:18:03
    made in the sense that a lot of people
  • 00:18:04
    might have a notion of a certain kind of
  • 00:18:06
    school. Like when we go from being kids
  • 00:18:08
    who can run outside and play and be in
  • 00:18:10
    the trees and nature to suddenly having
  • 00:18:12
    to sit in a classroom and learn ABCs and
  • 00:18:14
    math. Yeah, that sounds like drudgery.
  • 00:18:17
    But for me, I remember for instance,
  • 00:18:20
    this comes up for me every time the
  • 00:18:22
    seasons begin to change. It gets a
  • 00:18:23
    little bit cooler and the beginning of
  • 00:18:25
    September rolls around. I actually have
  • 00:18:28
    this good feeling in my body of this
  • 00:18:30
    association with that mastery you're
  • 00:18:32
    talking about. Ah, it's time to go back
  • 00:18:34
    to school which to me actually conotes
  • 00:18:38
    that enjoyment you're talking about the
  • 00:18:40
    desire to enter in grow my skillfulness
  • 00:18:43
    develop skillful means through practice.
  • 00:18:45
    So to me that's what school does
  • 00:18:48
    actually connotate. And so for me it's
  • 00:18:50
    not this negative thing although I think
  • 00:18:52
    we can sometimes think about it that way
  • 00:18:54
    depending on our life experience. But I
  • 00:18:56
    also want to say in light of what you
  • 00:18:58
    kind of hinted at there, and this comes
  • 00:19:00
    down to language again, what we mean by
  • 00:19:02
    I, by the self, because the body mind
  • 00:19:06
    here, which only remembers a certain
  • 00:19:07
    part of the total, a fairly limited part
  • 00:19:09
    actually, might
  • 00:19:11
    sometimes be repelled by some of the
  • 00:19:14
    things that arise in our life that we
  • 00:19:16
    have to work with. But when you hear
  • 00:19:18
    from people who've had near-death
  • 00:19:19
    experiences, people who've remembered
  • 00:19:22
    that phase in between lives, they
  • 00:19:24
    realize that they themselves were part
  • 00:19:27
    of that decision to set up these events
  • 00:19:30
    in their lives so that they could have
  • 00:19:32
    these opportunities to learn. So even
  • 00:19:34
    the things that we want to put in a
  • 00:19:36
    package and say that's a negative event.
  • 00:19:37
    I don't like that event from the
  • 00:19:39
    perspective of outside of incarnation
  • 00:19:41
    that actually was chosen partly by us so
  • 00:19:44
    that we would have that opportunity to
  • 00:19:45
    work with it to grow in that skillful
  • 00:19:47
    means. So again it really matters from
  • 00:19:51
    what perspective you're engaging with
  • 00:19:53
    each of these ideas. So that's the
  • 00:19:55
    school. Let's move on to the next one
  • 00:19:57
    which I think neither one of us will
  • 00:19:59
    resonate with so much. This is the
  • 00:20:01
    notion of a farm that the aliens are
  • 00:20:04
    basically farming us either for
  • 00:20:05
    exploitation or for harvesting of some
  • 00:20:07
    sort. The core idea here is that the
  • 00:20:10
    earth is being used or exploited by more
  • 00:20:12
    powerful entities for resources. That's
  • 00:20:15
    that word again. Whether physical,
  • 00:20:17
    energetic or psychic. Key themes here
  • 00:20:20
    are notions like luch harvesting. So
  • 00:20:23
    fear or an emotion used as an energy
  • 00:20:25
    that they actually consume. control
  • 00:20:27
    systems, parasites, if you will, and
  • 00:20:30
    soul harvesting. So, examples here are
  • 00:20:33
    shown in Gnostic traditions with the
  • 00:20:35
    Gnostic archons, the Matrix films, David
  • 00:20:38
    Ike's reptilian theories, and Robert
  • 00:20:41
    Monroe's luch concept. So, the alien
  • 00:20:44
    role in this particular way of framing
  • 00:20:46
    this Janice is as predators, farmers or
  • 00:20:49
    jailers who manipulate or feed off
  • 00:20:51
    humanity. So how do we look at this from
  • 00:20:53
    a more multi-perspectal view being
  • 00:20:55
    non-dual practitioners the farm notion
  • 00:20:58
    what do you say you know non-dual means
  • 00:21:01
    everything and it's like all things are
  • 00:21:04
    coexisting right
  • 00:21:07
    so I uh I don't buy it like I just don't
  • 00:21:10
    buy it on the surface that it's a farm I
  • 00:21:12
    don't buy that humans are have no
  • 00:21:14
    sovereignty I don't I don't buy that all
  • 00:21:17
    these billions of souls are like yeah
  • 00:21:19
    sure we'll go be on a farm for for this
  • 00:21:21
    you play this this game out with this
  • 00:21:24
    NHI. It just doesn't doesn't resonate
  • 00:21:26
    for a whole bunch of reasons that some
  • 00:21:28
    of you know that anybody would
  • 00:21:29
    understand and some are maybe a little
  • 00:21:30
    more esoteric. But I mean I think you
  • 00:21:34
    and I have talked about this a lot and
  • 00:21:35
    I've said this before at the place I
  • 00:21:37
    always default to and that is very
  • 00:21:40
    consonant with every Eastern teaching as
  • 00:21:43
    well as all mystical traditions and
  • 00:21:44
    indigenous traditions is you cannot be
  • 00:21:47
    enslaved. Your soul cannot be enslaved.
  • 00:21:49
    We are sovereign. So I go, well,
  • 00:21:53
    whatever's happening here in this leela,
  • 00:21:55
    this play of consciousness on on this
  • 00:21:57
    planet is is a bunch of sovereign souls
  • 00:22:01
    playing out a drama they want to play
  • 00:22:03
    out for reasons that I can't fully
  • 00:22:05
    remember for myself, let alone anybody
  • 00:22:07
    else. But, you know, so when I when I
  • 00:22:10
    can really perch there and stay there,
  • 00:22:12
    it is quite entertaining. I there's
  • 00:22:14
    plenty of moments I'm like, "Wow, we
  • 00:22:15
    really that was an interesting curly
  • 00:22:17
    queue. Who thought that one up?" Um, you
  • 00:22:19
    know, it makes it easier to deal with
  • 00:22:21
    sometimes very hard stuff. Um, if I come
  • 00:22:24
    fully in as human, I'm very adhered to
  • 00:22:26
    my presence here. I kind of forget that
  • 00:22:29
    I'm a sovereign soul or whatever. That
  • 00:22:30
    doesn't happen very often to me anymore,
  • 00:22:32
    but when it does, then yeah, I mean, I'm
  • 00:22:34
    terrified, right? I'm terrified by a lot
  • 00:22:36
    of things. NHI is the least of it. I'm
  • 00:22:38
    frankly more terrified by my fellow man
  • 00:22:40
    than than NHI. And that does get us into
  • 00:22:43
    this conversation about the insinuation
  • 00:22:46
    uh Matthew Brown made about what's
  • 00:22:48
    really going on here if we're going to
  • 00:22:51
    talk just in terms of sort of the human
  • 00:22:53
    experience and we're going to get you
  • 00:22:54
    know we're going to forget our sovereign
  • 00:22:56
    souls and our own creative reasons for
  • 00:22:58
    being here for a minute. But you know
  • 00:23:00
    the in I feel grateful that I have that
  • 00:23:03
    perspective and I feel like it's a much
  • 00:23:05
    better way to live cuz even if it's
  • 00:23:08
    totally wrong. It's brings me more peace
  • 00:23:10
    now and why would I poison my peace? You
  • 00:23:14
    know if I'm going to be terrified, I
  • 00:23:15
    might as well wait until it actually
  • 00:23:17
    happens. I don't think I need to
  • 00:23:18
    frontload my terror. Kind of a practical
  • 00:23:20
    decision. But I also think it leads
  • 00:23:22
    humanity into this like if we believe
  • 00:23:24
    this story and we start perpetuating it,
  • 00:23:26
    we're telling it to other people and
  • 00:23:28
    that we're just exporting fear
  • 00:23:30
    everywhere. And seriously people, is
  • 00:23:31
    that the way we're going to we are going
  • 00:23:33
    to meet whatever it is that's coming or
  • 00:23:35
    whatever is that's here? You know, I I
  • 00:23:38
    don't think so. Look at where that's
  • 00:23:39
    gotten us. I look around the world and I
  • 00:23:41
    say, "Uh, well, it really hasn't done
  • 00:23:44
    anything. We're on the brink of
  • 00:23:45
    extinction in multiple ways. I don't
  • 00:23:47
    think that our our our threat vigilance
  • 00:23:50
    and our our our meeting everything with
  • 00:23:52
    war is helping humanity or anything
  • 00:23:55
    else. Not helping any life. As far as I
  • 00:23:57
    can tell, it seems to be leading us down
  • 00:23:58
    the path of sort of deep degradation.
  • 00:24:01
    So, it feels that feels like a degrading
  • 00:24:03
    stance. So, I wouldn't choose it. I
  • 00:24:04
    don't not choose it though because I've
  • 00:24:07
    figured out reality. You know what I
  • 00:24:08
    mean? Like I can't I don't need to know
  • 00:24:10
    for sure in order to decide not to have
  • 00:24:14
    that stance. I know not everybody's
  • 00:24:17
    comfortable that way, but that is
  • 00:24:18
    personally where I've gotten with it.
  • 00:24:20
    And I don't buy, just for the record, as
  • 00:24:22
    I just said, I don't buy the prison
  • 00:24:23
    plan. It doesn't make sense among all
  • 00:24:25
    the different narratives anyway, even
  • 00:24:27
    independent of that, right? And and the
  • 00:24:29
    prison plan, I just to be really clear,
  • 00:24:31
    is a little bit different than the farm,
  • 00:24:32
    but they are often related. Farm kind of
  • 00:24:35
    implies perhaps some degree of symbiosis
  • 00:24:38
    a little bit. And you know, there's a
  • 00:24:39
    few things you touched on there that I
  • 00:24:41
    kind of want to riff on. One is this
  • 00:24:43
    notion that by assuming a certain
  • 00:24:45
    energetic relationship is in place that
  • 00:24:49
    actually perpetuates more of that
  • 00:24:50
    energetic relationship. This again is
  • 00:24:52
    the key and I said this at the outset,
  • 00:24:54
    right? And I know that you and I both
  • 00:24:55
    agree on this that as long as you
  • 00:24:57
    believe that's the only energetic
  • 00:24:59
    possibility that will continue to
  • 00:25:00
    perpetuate, right? So it's really
  • 00:25:02
    important that you you think about that
  • 00:25:04
    and choose to decide proactively how you
  • 00:25:08
    want to energetically align. Now the
  • 00:25:10
    other thing I want to say is that I do
  • 00:25:12
    believe just like we see in biology that
  • 00:25:14
    there are parasitic entities. I think
  • 00:25:17
    again everything is connected and so we
  • 00:25:19
    see this marching of really simple
  • 00:25:21
    organisms up to very very advanced
  • 00:25:23
    organisms and all of this is somehow the
  • 00:25:26
    outspilling of source and then the
  • 00:25:28
    collection back into source again. So in
  • 00:25:31
    that sense, I think it does matter. And
  • 00:25:33
    when you do engage in fear, I do think
  • 00:25:36
    there's something to the notion that if
  • 00:25:38
    you're resonating around shame, guilt,
  • 00:25:41
    fear, those kinds of vibrations, that it
  • 00:25:44
    does make you more susceptible to some
  • 00:25:45
    kinds of forms, not necessarily
  • 00:25:47
    biological forms that are kind of
  • 00:25:49
    parasitic. Now, we also want to remind
  • 00:25:52
    ourselves that we have this vast
  • 00:25:54
    symbiosis throughout nature. And I would
  • 00:25:56
    say not just in nature, but also
  • 00:25:58
    energetically, right? So you think about
  • 00:26:01
    the numbers of bacteria that are in your
  • 00:26:03
    stomach right now and most of them have
  • 00:26:05
    actually worked out the symbiotic
  • 00:26:06
    relationship where it's beneficial for
  • 00:26:08
    both sides. So this happens over and
  • 00:26:11
    over again and again I think is is
  • 00:26:12
    hinting at the fact that everything's
  • 00:26:14
    all connected. So in that sense you know
  • 00:26:17
    I would ask people to look at the farm
  • 00:26:19
    that way. There's many ways that farming
  • 00:26:22
    in terms of resources can be a
  • 00:26:23
    purposefully driven positive kind of
  • 00:26:26
    experience and it can be symbiotic. But
  • 00:26:29
    that said, how we choose to entertain
  • 00:26:31
    these ideas, how we engage energetically
  • 00:26:34
    makes all the difference. Sorry. Yeah,
  • 00:26:36
    you're right. I jumped to the prison
  • 00:26:37
    planet when you asked about farm. So, um
  • 00:26:40
    I've thought about this one too and I it
  • 00:26:42
    kind of makes me laugh because exactly
  • 00:26:44
    what you said like we are completely
  • 00:26:46
    interdependent with all sorts of beans
  • 00:26:48
    all the time. We've got more I think we
  • 00:26:50
    have more parasitic beings in our body
  • 00:26:52
    than anything else. Honestly, it cracks
  • 00:26:54
    me up that people are always trying to
  • 00:26:55
    clean their gut and I'm like, "Good luck
  • 00:26:57
    with that one." and why. Um, but I early
  • 00:27:00
    on when I heard about the luch theory
  • 00:27:02
    and that sort of stuff, my sense was
  • 00:27:04
    like, well, if we're producing energy in
  • 00:27:07
    the form of emotion, which we do, humans
  • 00:27:10
    emote all over the place as we both
  • 00:27:12
    know. I mean, we just are just offging
  • 00:27:14
    emotion and energy constantly. And if
  • 00:27:17
    there's some thing out there that
  • 00:27:19
    benefits from that, and you know, then
  • 00:27:21
    it's attracted. like a moth attracted to
  • 00:27:23
    light then yeah I mean of course it's
  • 00:27:26
    going to do what it does and do I think
  • 00:27:28
    that's a bad thing no I think if you
  • 00:27:30
    don't like it then you need to learn how
  • 00:27:31
    to work with your emotions and stop
  • 00:27:32
    offgassing and I actually think that's
  • 00:27:34
    the the one of the messages that comes
  • 00:27:37
    in over and over to contactes is you all
  • 00:27:40
    are really messy because you're so awake
  • 00:27:43
    you're just you're just sending off
  • 00:27:45
    energy in all the you're wasting it and
  • 00:27:47
    you're not using it in the ways that are
  • 00:27:49
    going to serve you and the collective
  • 00:27:52
    and you're overproducing things that
  • 00:27:55
    create distortion in your worlds and
  • 00:27:57
    it's causing you trouble. I mean our my
  • 00:28:00
    understand I understand that our source
  • 00:28:02
    challenge here on this planet is our
  • 00:28:04
    consciousness. It's not the stuff that
  • 00:28:06
    other people are doing to us. The world
  • 00:28:08
    looks the way it does because we're
  • 00:28:10
    co-creating it from inside because it's
  • 00:28:11
    starting from our mental constructs and
  • 00:28:14
    those who would keep us asleep play to
  • 00:28:16
    those mental constructs just to keep us
  • 00:28:18
    collapsing the wave around the negative
  • 00:28:20
    images. But we don't have to do that. We
  • 00:28:23
    don't have to do that. It does take
  • 00:28:24
    discipline. It takes some understanding.
  • 00:28:26
    It takes some, you know, awareness and
  • 00:28:29
    consistent practice to pull your mind
  • 00:28:31
    back, to pull your emotions back, to
  • 00:28:33
    kind of contain them, to get into
  • 00:28:35
    neutral. Those are those are upper level
  • 00:28:37
    skills. And frankly, you know, most of
  • 00:28:39
    us can't be bothered. We just want to
  • 00:28:41
    watch our TV and eat our Cheetos, I
  • 00:28:43
    guess, and drink beer. And then I'm
  • 00:28:45
    like, well, then that's on us. Like, I
  • 00:28:47
    don't know. You want to grouse about how
  • 00:28:49
    you're being victimized and there are
  • 00:28:50
    people feeding on your lush, but you're
  • 00:28:51
    like eating your Cheetos and getting
  • 00:28:53
    pissed off and they're they're eating
  • 00:28:55
    your, you know, your your Cheeto pissed
  • 00:28:57
    off gas like anyway, not a great
  • 00:29:01
    metaphor, but you get the idea. It is
  • 00:29:03
    always always makes me kind of giggle
  • 00:29:04
    and it also kind of irritates me. It's
  • 00:29:06
    like it starts with us. It starts with
  • 00:29:09
    each one of us. If we don't like it, we
  • 00:29:11
    need to change it and then you will not
  • 00:29:13
    have as much stuff in the atmosphere for
  • 00:29:16
    people to feed on.
  • 00:29:17
    Yeah, this is where that notion of
  • 00:29:19
    quantum activism which we've referred to
  • 00:29:21
    before comes in because a lot of people
  • 00:29:23
    I think mistakenly believe that life is
  • 00:29:25
    determined and the quality of life is
  • 00:29:27
    determined by physical resources whereas
  • 00:29:30
    I think and I know that you believe too
  • 00:29:31
    that it all begins with energy begins
  • 00:29:33
    with how we relate with life. How we
  • 00:29:36
    relate with life will actually decide
  • 00:29:38
    what collapses into reality versus
  • 00:29:40
    something else. So this is really really
  • 00:29:42
    key and this is something that's come up
  • 00:29:44
    in the lore quite a bit even outside of
  • 00:29:46
    again non-dual circles outside of new
  • 00:29:49
    age circles is this notion that some of
  • 00:29:51
    these beings again with a more serviceto
  • 00:29:54
    kind of mentality. It's not about good
  • 00:29:56
    versus evil. It's about stages of
  • 00:29:57
    awareness. But the ones that are still
  • 00:29:59
    thinking that they're separate and
  • 00:30:01
    you're separate and they want to take
  • 00:30:02
    from you because they assume either you
  • 00:30:04
    get it or they get it, they will use
  • 00:30:06
    this kind of shock and awe kind of
  • 00:30:08
    mentality. And we think back to the Gulf
  • 00:30:10
    War. I remember that was something was
  • 00:30:12
    actually discussed. We're going to use
  • 00:30:13
    shock and awe to basically disable the
  • 00:30:16
    enemy. So they were so overwhelmed that
  • 00:30:18
    they don't even know how to think
  • 00:30:19
    straight. Basically, that's what can
  • 00:30:21
    happen here is some of these beings can
  • 00:30:23
    show up with really impressive
  • 00:30:24
    technology. They can sometimes impact
  • 00:30:26
    our perception. They can clearly do that
  • 00:30:29
    actually. And so it's on us again to
  • 00:30:32
    choose how we're going to energetically
  • 00:30:34
    respond. And just because something
  • 00:30:35
    looks bigger than us or brighter than us
  • 00:30:38
    doesn't mean that it's inherently more
  • 00:30:39
    powerful because ultimately we're all
  • 00:30:42
    splinters of source. We're all
  • 00:30:43
    energetically aligning. And this notion,
  • 00:30:46
    if there's one thing I would want to
  • 00:30:47
    emphasize more than anything else today,
  • 00:30:49
    it's this notion of energetic resonance.
  • 00:30:52
    The energy you put out will resonate
  • 00:30:54
    with something out there. That's just a
  • 00:30:56
    law of the universe, if you will. So,
  • 00:30:58
    this makes a huge difference. And I
  • 00:31:00
    think this does impact who gets impacted
  • 00:31:02
    by which beings and why. Which again I
  • 00:31:05
    would argue should behoove us to take
  • 00:31:07
    our energetic wavelength very very
  • 00:31:10
    seriously. And it comes down to what
  • 00:31:11
    you're talking about. How we live our
  • 00:31:13
    lives. The habits we cultivate do make
  • 00:31:15
    all the difference when it comes to
  • 00:31:17
    energy. And from my perspective
  • 00:31:19
    everything that arises, every person,
  • 00:31:21
    every event, every object is an
  • 00:31:23
    energetic configuration. And once you
  • 00:31:24
    see it that way and you see that you're
  • 00:31:26
    here as a wizard to basically learn to
  • 00:31:29
    work with energy to wield it and to
  • 00:31:31
    transmute it, then everything changes.
  • 00:31:35
    So that's what I think about when I
  • 00:31:36
    think about any of these notions. So
  • 00:31:39
    that's the farm. Now let's move on to
  • 00:31:40
    the next one which is somewhat related
  • 00:31:42
    but perhaps less of a negative
  • 00:31:44
    connotation and that's the notion of a
  • 00:31:46
    zoo. So here we have observation and
  • 00:31:49
    experiments kind of implied. So the core
  • 00:31:51
    idea with a zoo is that earth is like a
  • 00:31:54
    wildlife preserve or a petri dish.
  • 00:31:57
    Humanity is being observed rather than
  • 00:31:59
    guided or exploited. So the key themes
  • 00:32:02
    are non-intervention, scientific
  • 00:32:04
    curiosity, comparative development, and
  • 00:32:07
    this notion of a quarantine that if
  • 00:32:09
    there's any degree of control, it's only
  • 00:32:10
    to say that you're not ready yet to meet
  • 00:32:13
    your galactic neighbor. So we're going
  • 00:32:14
    to keep you in quarantine until you've
  • 00:32:16
    matured to some degree.
  • 00:32:18
    examples. The zoo hypothesis in
  • 00:32:20
    astrobiology and some interpretations of
  • 00:32:23
    UFO contact narratives kind of imply
  • 00:32:25
    this. So what is the alien rule in the
  • 00:32:27
    zoo kind of arrangement? They are a
  • 00:32:29
    scientists or caretakers watching human
  • 00:32:32
    behavior with minimal interference. So
  • 00:32:35
    what value do you see in the zoo
  • 00:32:36
    hypothesis?
  • 00:32:38
    I mean I uh hard to tell. I mean I
  • 00:32:41
    assume so. Actually this one seems kind
  • 00:32:43
    of common sense to me. We do it. We we
  • 00:32:46
    watch other beings that are different
  • 00:32:48
    than us all the time. I stop and watch
  • 00:32:50
    ants regularly because they fascinate me
  • 00:32:52
    the way they organize. So, I don't know.
  • 00:32:55
    This doesn't stress me out. It seems
  • 00:32:57
    likely. Um I think that, you know, that
  • 00:33:01
    non-inference the non-inference question
  • 00:33:03
    is the one that I have the biggest
  • 00:33:04
    question around because it does feel
  • 00:33:06
    like not that there's interference, but
  • 00:33:07
    there's some degree of involvement that
  • 00:33:09
    seems pretty obvious. So, doesn't
  • 00:33:12
    totally follow from that. But I do feel
  • 00:33:15
    like it's probably likely. The big
  • 00:33:18
    question is, is there a nefarious intent
  • 00:33:19
    and nefarious involvement? Because if
  • 00:33:21
    that's the case, then you start to it's
  • 00:33:22
    a slightly different set of questions.
  • 00:33:24
    This one doesn't speak to me of that at
  • 00:33:26
    all. Even though lots of people will
  • 00:33:28
    probably cast it that way as somehow
  • 00:33:30
    wrong to to watch us. I mean, how many
  • 00:33:33
    times have you watched your neighbors
  • 00:33:35
    through the windows just to see what
  • 00:33:37
    they're doing? If you have the capacity
  • 00:33:39
    to fly to our planet and keep an eye or
  • 00:33:41
    appear in our planet and keep an eye on
  • 00:33:42
    us and watch how we're developing,
  • 00:33:44
    especially if you had some involvement
  • 00:33:46
    in who we became and who we are makes
  • 00:33:50
    sense to me that you would do that. What
  • 00:33:52
    about you? Does that stress you out and
  • 00:33:53
    what how do you think about it? No, I
  • 00:33:55
    definitely don't see it as a negative
  • 00:33:57
    thing. I see it as fairly neutral. It's
  • 00:33:59
    one of the most neutral of the various
  • 00:34:01
    hypotheses. And what's interesting is
  • 00:34:04
    what it raises in us in terms of a
  • 00:34:06
    reaction because of course on the one
  • 00:34:09
    hand like you say we have zoos all over
  • 00:34:11
    the place. But suddenly when we're the
  • 00:34:13
    one in the zoo we don't like that notion
  • 00:34:15
    right so we have basically a double
  • 00:34:17
    standard there when it comes to how
  • 00:34:19
    we'll treat other species of the animal
  • 00:34:21
    kingdom versus how we want to be
  • 00:34:23
    treated. But even then, again, I would
  • 00:34:25
    really argue for this notion of stages
  • 00:34:27
    of consciousness development that are
  • 00:34:29
    emergent over time that over time
  • 00:34:31
    embrace ever larger spheres of care and
  • 00:34:34
    concern. And the reason I bring that up
  • 00:34:35
    is because we can see in human history
  • 00:34:38
    that we've gone from being familial and
  • 00:34:41
    only caring about our family to being
  • 00:34:43
    tribal to having nation states to
  • 00:34:45
    developing something like civil rights
  • 00:34:47
    and human rights across the board and
  • 00:34:50
    eventually even that's now moved into
  • 00:34:52
    animal right. And the notion is that
  • 00:34:54
    eventually you get to this point where
  • 00:34:55
    you have a cosmoscentric perspective
  • 00:34:58
    which is basically non-duel where you
  • 00:34:59
    recognize that everything and everyone
  • 00:35:01
    is an extension of you. The quarantine
  • 00:35:04
    notion does make some sense to me
  • 00:35:06
    although I agree with you there's some
  • 00:35:08
    conflict here because there does seem to
  • 00:35:10
    be some intervention. I think the way
  • 00:35:12
    that I look at it is that the most
  • 00:35:14
    powerful of the beings are the most
  • 00:35:16
    benevolent actually because I think the
  • 00:35:18
    more you align with and return to source
  • 00:35:21
    consciousness, the more you're able to
  • 00:35:23
    impact and basically write into the
  • 00:35:25
    source code of reality itself. So those
  • 00:35:27
    kind of walk handinand so the ones that
  • 00:35:30
    are still thinking about resources and
  • 00:35:33
    control and doineering, I'm taking it so
  • 00:35:35
    you can't have it. There's only so much
  • 00:35:37
    to go around. All of that is a lower
  • 00:35:39
    form of consciousness. I think that I
  • 00:35:42
    align with the perspective that is
  • 00:35:43
    described in the law of one, the raw
  • 00:35:45
    contact material. I really recommend it
  • 00:35:46
    for those who haven't read it.
  • 00:35:48
    Basically, it's information that's
  • 00:35:50
    channeled through a human being coming
  • 00:35:52
    from this collective consciousness
  • 00:35:54
    called raw. And the notion there is that
  • 00:35:58
    free will is really championed. So the
  • 00:36:00
    notion is that the only way any being,
  • 00:36:02
    any sentience across the history of the
  • 00:36:04
    cosmos learns is through trial and
  • 00:36:07
    error. We don't learn by someone just
  • 00:36:09
    telling us. We actually have to
  • 00:36:10
    experience the consequences and it cast
  • 00:36:13
    itself in the polarities of darkness and
  • 00:36:15
    light that you and I have talked about.
  • 00:36:16
    Again, this is why I I move away from
  • 00:36:18
    this notion of good versus evil and
  • 00:36:20
    prefer stages of awareness. So from
  • 00:36:22
    their perspective, the most benevolent
  • 00:36:24
    ones, the most powerful ones step back
  • 00:36:26
    and let us have our free will, not just
  • 00:36:29
    as individuals, but as a species. And
  • 00:36:31
    they also allow some of these midlevel
  • 00:36:33
    kind of beings that still dominate but
  • 00:36:35
    are maybe more technologically powerful
  • 00:36:37
    than us. They let them step in as well.
  • 00:36:39
    and to some degree manipulate us so that
  • 00:36:42
    we learn not to give away our power.
  • 00:36:44
    Right? That's part of the way that we
  • 00:36:46
    learn. So it doesn't have to be one or
  • 00:36:48
    the other. I sometimes hear people
  • 00:36:49
    saying, "If there's good guys, why don't
  • 00:36:51
    they show up and liberate everybody?"
  • 00:36:53
    But that would be like coming into a
  • 00:36:55
    preschool class and shutting it down
  • 00:36:56
    because it's not being run very fairly.
  • 00:36:59
    But then the preschool kids never
  • 00:37:00
    actually learn. So if I think about a
  • 00:37:02
    zoo hypothesis, I think it's a partial
  • 00:37:05
    truth within that overarching truth
  • 00:37:07
    about spiritual development. I really
  • 00:37:09
    think is key here. All right, we're
  • 00:37:12
    going to go into the next one. This one
  • 00:37:13
    comes up a lot, especially because we
  • 00:37:15
    have evidence arising even out of
  • 00:37:17
    astronomy, physics, that this might be a
  • 00:37:20
    simulation, Janice. So that leads some
  • 00:37:23
    people to say, "Aha, what if this entire
  • 00:37:26
    reality construct is just that? It's a
  • 00:37:28
    construct. We're basically these beings
  • 00:37:30
    inside a video game that some alien
  • 00:37:33
    consciousness has come up with and we
  • 00:37:35
    are their entertainment. So here the
  • 00:37:38
    notion is that we live in a constructed
  • 00:37:39
    reality. The core idea is the earth is a
  • 00:37:42
    simulation, the entire planet, not just
  • 00:37:44
    parts of it. And there's a designed
  • 00:37:46
    reality with rules just like a video
  • 00:37:48
    game with players and objectives. A key
  • 00:37:51
    theme is that choice, illusion, avatars,
  • 00:37:55
    leveling up, and exit strategies all
  • 00:37:56
    come here. Like in other words, is there
  • 00:37:58
    a way you can exit the game? And
  • 00:38:00
    examples here, simulation theory, which
  • 00:38:02
    is becoming more and more common.
  • 00:38:05
    Nnosticism had this notion with the
  • 00:38:07
    false reality basically. And we have
  • 00:38:10
    Philip K. Dick's material, the Seth
  • 00:38:12
    material on it goes. So the alien role
  • 00:38:15
    here, if it's the simulation notion, is
  • 00:38:17
    that they're like programmers or
  • 00:38:18
    architects, civilization or reality
  • 00:38:21
    architects if you will, or even fellow
  • 00:38:23
    players who may be outside or above the
  • 00:38:25
    game. So this notion of a game or
  • 00:38:28
    simulation, how does that land for you?
  • 00:38:32
    I think it's useful up to a point again,
  • 00:38:34
    you know, where well, it's useful
  • 00:38:36
    because I do think there's there's
  • 00:38:37
    something about the creation of a a
  • 00:38:39
    projection of a thirddimensional reality
  • 00:38:42
    so that the soul can have this
  • 00:38:44
    experience that is probably
  • 00:38:47
    simulation-like, right? Um, and to the
  • 00:38:51
    extent that I feel like my physical body
  • 00:38:53
    isn't is a projection of my soul, my
  • 00:38:56
    oversoul, it would be kind of an avatar
  • 00:38:59
    in that way. Where it gets limited is
  • 00:39:01
    like there's some sort of outside player
  • 00:39:03
    controlling me. That makes no sense to
  • 00:39:05
    me whatsoever. It would be more I'm
  • 00:39:08
    coming into the game as this avatar in a
  • 00:39:12
    landscape that is kind of like a
  • 00:39:14
    simulation. But where it starts to break
  • 00:39:16
    down is yeah, this locus of control
  • 00:39:18
    isn't you. You're being there is a you.
  • 00:39:20
    You do have a soul, but it's being
  • 00:39:21
    controlled again. Always we go back to
  • 00:39:23
    that someone else has got a hold of your
  • 00:39:24
    soul. Or you're telling me I don't have
  • 00:39:27
    a soul, but then I don't. Then we're
  • 00:39:28
    back to like, well, what's consciousness
  • 00:39:30
    again? We're sort of back to the very
  • 00:39:32
    basic questions of, well, are we even
  • 00:39:33
    sentient? You're telling me I'm AI? And
  • 00:39:36
    then it just kind of gets silly like,
  • 00:39:38
    well, I don't know. I can't know. It's a
  • 00:39:40
    mouse chasing its own tail. I don't find
  • 00:39:42
    it helpful nor do I find it comports
  • 00:39:44
    with my experience does it doesn't
  • 00:39:46
    comport with any of the tra teachings
  • 00:39:48
    the oldest teachings on the planet about
  • 00:39:50
    what this experience is it doesn't
  • 00:39:52
    comport with you know the mystical
  • 00:39:54
    experiences of reverence and divination
  • 00:39:56
    and unity consciousness and other like
  • 00:39:58
    memories and so forth so there's a whole
  • 00:40:00
    bunch of stuff that you just have to
  • 00:40:01
    shove if you really buy that whole thing
  • 00:40:04
    the whole cape koodle that concept but I
  • 00:40:06
    do think that in terms of just helping
  • 00:40:07
    people understand like thirddimensional
  • 00:40:09
    structures
  • 00:40:11
    And the way that we can have the
  • 00:40:13
    perception of a physical reality and
  • 00:40:15
    time, for example, there's there's some
  • 00:40:18
    utility in that. It's just that we do
  • 00:40:20
    tend to God, humans just tend to take
  • 00:40:22
    everything to the hill, don't we? What
  • 00:40:24
    do you do with that? We've never
  • 00:40:25
    actually talked about how you feel about
  • 00:40:27
    this one. Yeah. Well, I've done a couple
  • 00:40:30
    podcast episodes on this because there's
  • 00:40:32
    some elements that I think land for me
  • 00:40:35
    and some that don't. And it really comes
  • 00:40:37
    down to nuance as is often the case
  • 00:40:39
    because on the one hand like you kind of
  • 00:40:41
    hinted at there you and I both would
  • 00:40:43
    recognize that to some degree
  • 00:40:45
    recognizing that the ultimate nature of
  • 00:40:47
    reality is non-dual and that you have
  • 00:40:50
    this dance between the formless and the
  • 00:40:52
    form then from that perspective again
  • 00:40:54
    from an ancient eastern tradition
  • 00:40:56
    perspective basically any manifestation
  • 00:40:59
    is simulation like and that's a key
  • 00:41:01
    qualifier you added there right
  • 00:41:03
    simulation like it's a kind of construct
  • 00:41:06
    The notion of Maya is just a notion of
  • 00:41:09
    illusion that the manifest physical
  • 00:41:11
    world is largely elucory. Now, a key
  • 00:41:13
    element that I always bring up in these
  • 00:41:15
    podcasts and in my classes is that it's
  • 00:41:17
    purposeful illusion. Though a lot of
  • 00:41:19
    times people hear, "Oh, fake news.
  • 00:41:21
    You're saying this is not real. Should I
  • 00:41:23
    just like not care?" And I would say
  • 00:41:25
    quite the opposite that this is set up
  • 00:41:27
    for the evolution of consciousness. And
  • 00:41:29
    we are part of the beings that set it up
  • 00:41:31
    to begin with. We wrote the play and now
  • 00:41:32
    we're characters in the play. This again
  • 00:41:34
    comes down to how you identify with
  • 00:41:36
    yourself at that oversoul level versus
  • 00:41:38
    as a character level of Janice and
  • 00:41:40
    Darren. But in that perspective, yes, it
  • 00:41:43
    is kind of like a construct, but it's
  • 00:41:45
    not nefarious, nor is it being done just
  • 00:41:47
    for the entertainment of some alien
  • 00:41:49
    group. I think we enjoy actually as
  • 00:41:51
    splinters of source having all sorts of
  • 00:41:53
    different kinds of experience, and
  • 00:41:55
    that's indeed what this is. But again,
  • 00:41:57
    it's purposeful. So simulation like and
  • 00:42:00
    the reason why it's really important to
  • 00:42:01
    qualify that is because the assumption
  • 00:42:03
    here and this arises out of computer
  • 00:42:06
    technology that's only been around for a
  • 00:42:07
    few decades for us in our civilization.
  • 00:42:10
    The notion here generally is that the
  • 00:42:12
    aliens live in the quote unquote real
  • 00:42:14
    world and we're the simulation that's
  • 00:42:16
    basically copying that. And that I
  • 00:42:18
    reject. I just don't think that's true
  • 00:42:20
    at all. And again the irony is that from
  • 00:42:22
    a non-dual perspective every kind of
  • 00:42:24
    form or manifestation is simulationike.
  • 00:42:27
    It's a construct. It's a dream in the
  • 00:42:30
    mind of source or the mind of God, if
  • 00:42:32
    you will. So, it works, but only with
  • 00:42:34
    certain caveats. And again, this makes
  • 00:42:36
    me just want to emphasize that any of
  • 00:42:38
    these
  • 00:42:39
    hypotheses come with assumptions baked
  • 00:42:41
    in, right? So, what we're trying to do
  • 00:42:43
    today and that I think we do ongoingly
  • 00:42:45
    with our work is, you know, think
  • 00:42:47
    through what are the axioms? What are
  • 00:42:49
    the assumptions that give rise to this
  • 00:42:51
    notion? All right, next one. This one is
  • 00:42:54
    a bit of nuance because I'm going to
  • 00:42:56
    throw a two together here and they're
  • 00:42:58
    related and it really comes down to how
  • 00:43:00
    you think about prison because you know
  • 00:43:02
    there is this notion in Christian
  • 00:43:05
    tradition for instance with prison that
  • 00:43:07
    it's also a place that you can reform.
  • 00:43:09
    So it's not just meant to be punishment
  • 00:43:11
    but it's also an opportunity to reform.
  • 00:43:14
    So let's talk about the notion of
  • 00:43:17
    hospital/prison planet. So this could be
  • 00:43:20
    either healing or containment or some
  • 00:43:22
    degree of both. So the core idea here is
  • 00:43:25
    that earth is a place for damaged or
  • 00:43:27
    dangerous souls to be healed or
  • 00:43:29
    quarantined. Key themes are soul
  • 00:43:32
    rehabilitation, karmic balancing and
  • 00:43:34
    containment of malevolent forces. So in
  • 00:43:37
    that sense the containment would be so
  • 00:43:38
    that we don't hurt others outside of the
  • 00:43:41
    containment examples. Dolores Canon's
  • 00:43:44
    work talked about this that earth is a
  • 00:43:45
    place for troubled souls to some degree.
  • 00:43:48
    We have the notion of a lot of people
  • 00:43:49
    who came in. I think you and I would be
  • 00:43:51
    on this list, Janice, in terms of our
  • 00:43:53
    self identity. Beings that came in to
  • 00:43:55
    help with a potential ascension and that
  • 00:43:58
    actually the density here is pretty low.
  • 00:44:00
    It's a pretty intense place to be even
  • 00:44:03
    to the point where people can forget the
  • 00:44:05
    larger context. They can come in with a
  • 00:44:07
    mission and actually get drowned out by
  • 00:44:09
    the density all around them. This also
  • 00:44:11
    is to some degree referenced in you
  • 00:44:14
    could in a stretch think about this in
  • 00:44:15
    Buddhist cosmology with the notion of
  • 00:44:17
    samsara. So the alien role here would be
  • 00:44:20
    as healers or wardens or observers of a
  • 00:44:24
    rehabilitative process. So there's a lot
  • 00:44:26
    in here and there's a lot of nuance
  • 00:44:28
    depending on what you really emphasize.
  • 00:44:30
    But what do you think about this notion
  • 00:44:31
    of hospital prison? I mean I yeah the
  • 00:44:36
    idea that we're a bunch of damaged souls
  • 00:44:37
    or a bunch of damaged souls end up
  • 00:44:39
    getting sent here. I think that's my
  • 00:44:41
    least favorite resonant one of all.
  • 00:44:45
    Again, I think all souls are sovereign
  • 00:44:48
    and every soul incarnates where it
  • 00:44:50
    chooses to for its own creative purposes
  • 00:44:52
    and that includes Earth. I will not
  • 00:44:53
    disagree that this is a fairly dense
  • 00:44:55
    planet. I do but I think that's part of
  • 00:44:58
    the fun of it. It's part of the reason
  • 00:44:59
    you come is to be really asleep and to
  • 00:45:03
    struggle to wake up and to like be
  • 00:45:04
    lulled back to sleep again. It's that
  • 00:45:06
    process. That's what Baba Muktananda
  • 00:45:08
    said as he was taking Mahasamati means
  • 00:45:11
    he's leaving his body. He told somebody
  • 00:45:13
    that was really fun maybe I'll do it
  • 00:45:14
    again like start over from a rock you
  • 00:45:16
    know and go and cuz because it's an
  • 00:45:19
    interesting experience for this divine
  • 00:45:22
    sliver of God this unique divine sliver
  • 00:45:24
    of God to have the experience of slowly
  • 00:45:27
    awakening because what else are you
  • 00:45:28
    going to do? You're here for eternity.
  • 00:45:30
    You might as well have experiences. So I
  • 00:45:32
    don't find it problematic that the idea
  • 00:45:35
    that it's a dense planet that it's easy
  • 00:45:37
    to get very w lulled into sleep air and
  • 00:45:40
    to stay here for stay asleep for I don't
  • 00:45:42
    know you know long time again we're
  • 00:45:44
    inferring time and time doesn't really
  • 00:45:45
    exist but to have a lot of incarnations
  • 00:45:47
    where you're really not at all in
  • 00:45:49
    remembrance of your true nature that's
  • 00:45:53
    just one experience to me that souls can
  • 00:45:55
    have and uh my experience of what you
  • 00:45:59
    said you know you refer to the category
  • 00:46:01
    you and I had fall into as having
  • 00:46:03
    remembrance uh when I started to have
  • 00:46:05
    remembrance about this time that I
  • 00:46:06
    incarnated specifically to assist in the
  • 00:46:08
    awakening was less to liberate damaged
  • 00:46:12
    held souls and more because it's just
  • 00:46:14
    time. The species is ready. It's ready
  • 00:46:18
    to begin the remembrance process at a
  • 00:46:20
    very large level. And that's exciting.
  • 00:46:22
    That's it's it's exciting. It's a little
  • 00:46:24
    dicey. Uh but it's exciting because
  • 00:46:28
    remembrance will open all sorts of new
  • 00:46:30
    opportunities including connections with
  • 00:46:32
    some of our neighbors that wouldn't have
  • 00:46:34
    made sense before cuz we simply couldn't
  • 00:46:37
    understand in that collective sleep that
  • 00:46:40
    you know sleep the difference. It would
  • 00:46:42
    have been like a 5-year-old trying to
  • 00:46:43
    play with a 50-year-old. I mean, well,
  • 00:46:45
    that actually works, but you know what I
  • 00:46:46
    mean? Like it's just not very satisfying
  • 00:46:48
    for the 5-year-old for long. Um or a
  • 00:46:52
    15year-old. Just too big a gap. But
  • 00:46:55
    we're at the point where we can begin to
  • 00:46:58
    collectively remember. We need to
  • 00:47:00
    collectively remember because these
  • 00:47:01
    technologies we're creating are going to
  • 00:47:03
    destroy us if we don't. So that's
  • 00:47:05
    another reason. It's not just we can. It
  • 00:47:06
    is important because we're on the verge
  • 00:47:09
    of some pretty big grownup toys that
  • 00:47:12
    could do a lot of damage and we may not
  • 00:47:14
    we may really hurt ourselves and others.
  • 00:47:17
    So there's also a necessity for humanity
  • 00:47:19
    to come into deeper remembrance.
  • 00:47:22
    Yeah. Yeah, I mean that one to me it
  • 00:47:24
    really depends on what you emphasize. I
  • 00:47:26
    do actually resonate with the notion
  • 00:47:28
    that and you and I talked about this
  • 00:47:30
    that actually what we call human beings
  • 00:47:32
    are compositions of many different kinds
  • 00:47:34
    of life forms with many different kinds
  • 00:47:37
    of incarnations. And I think one of the
  • 00:47:38
    most fascinating aspects of the lore and
  • 00:47:40
    the literature is that when people are
  • 00:47:42
    on board the craft, for instance, not
  • 00:47:44
    just in near-death experiences when
  • 00:47:45
    they're having a life review and
  • 00:47:46
    remembering multiple lives, but even
  • 00:47:48
    being on board the craft, people often
  • 00:47:50
    remember being a gray alien or sometimes
  • 00:47:52
    having a parallel existence as a gray
  • 00:47:55
    alien. So, I think there's a lot more
  • 00:47:57
    than meets the eye going on. I think a
  • 00:47:59
    lot of the axioms we begin with really
  • 00:48:01
    limit the landscape. But in the interest
  • 00:48:04
    of time, let's move on to the last one
  • 00:48:06
    we're going to discuss, which I think is
  • 00:48:07
    more in line with what we would think.
  • 00:48:09
    It's certainly part of it anyway. And
  • 00:48:11
    this is the notion that the arrangement
  • 00:48:14
    is more like the tending of a garden. So
  • 00:48:17
    this is co-creative and nurturing in its
  • 00:48:19
    nature. So the core idea is that earth
  • 00:48:22
    is a co-creative sacred place like a
  • 00:48:24
    garden that is meant to flourish under
  • 00:48:27
    stewardship. Key themes are harmony,
  • 00:48:29
    stewardship, the divine feminine. I have
  • 00:48:32
    a feeling you're going to like that.
  • 00:48:33
    Janice Gaia consciousness examples would
  • 00:48:36
    be indigenous worldviews, permaculture
  • 00:48:38
    philosophy, and planetary ascension
  • 00:48:41
    narratives. The alien role here would be
  • 00:48:43
    as elder siblings if they are indeed
  • 00:48:45
    further along in that process or as
  • 00:48:47
    nature spirits nurturing planetary
  • 00:48:49
    consciousness. So, how do you think
  • 00:48:52
    about this one of the garden in terms of
  • 00:48:53
    a hypothesis? It resonates a lot to me
  • 00:48:57
    partly because one of the perceptions I
  • 00:48:59
    had when information started to really
  • 00:49:01
    come in is that I'm part of a group of
  • 00:49:03
    beings that that takes care of planets
  • 00:49:05
    like this. That was kind of how I felt.
  • 00:49:07
    I'm like, "Oh, that's interesting." I
  • 00:49:08
    think that we tend we do that for each
  • 00:49:10
    other. I can imagine humanity getting to
  • 00:49:13
    the point where it also becomes, you
  • 00:49:15
    know, big brothers, big sisters,
  • 00:49:18
    assistance to other younger species and
  • 00:49:22
    different planets. I suspect that's it
  • 00:49:25
    resonates with the divine feminine
  • 00:49:26
    instinct too because that is about
  • 00:49:29
    caring for your children, caring for the
  • 00:49:31
    community's children, caring for the
  • 00:49:34
    community as a whole, caring for the
  • 00:49:35
    globe as a whole. It's about we help
  • 00:49:37
    each other along. And that's really just
  • 00:49:39
    a reflection of the deeper substructure
  • 00:49:41
    of reality in the sense that we're all
  • 00:49:43
    connected. We're all fractals of source.
  • 00:49:46
    Why wouldn't we? We're not separate from
  • 00:49:48
    each other. And in a more evolved state,
  • 00:49:51
    the desire to serve, support, care,
  • 00:49:54
    tend, cultivate, not cultivate in terms
  • 00:49:56
    of for resource, for your own use, but
  • 00:49:59
    you know, to to help growth for the sake
  • 00:50:01
    of growth, to support life for the sake
  • 00:50:03
    of life, benefits everybody. Even
  • 00:50:05
    whether you're that species or not, for
  • 00:50:07
    the reason you mentioned earlier, which
  • 00:50:09
    is we're probably all incarnated as many
  • 00:50:11
    different species at any gi time because
  • 00:50:13
    there no such thing as time. So you
  • 00:50:15
    probably have many expressions going on
  • 00:50:17
    right now that aren't just
  • 00:50:18
    earthbound, honestly. So it to me it
  • 00:50:21
    doesn't cause stress. Again, I'm
  • 00:50:22
    grateful. It's like it's good to know
  • 00:50:24
    that we have neighbors that might want
  • 00:50:26
    to keep us from obliterating ourselves
  • 00:50:28
    or help us out when we're got ready to
  • 00:50:30
    step in a massive pothole and break our
  • 00:50:33
    legs. I mean, I'm good with it. And it
  • 00:50:36
    does feel more true to the experience
  • 00:50:38
    that I've had as a human on this planet.
  • 00:50:40
    both when I'm very human and when I
  • 00:50:42
    don't feel so that do yeah absolutely I
  • 00:50:46
    mean there's a lot that resonates here
  • 00:50:48
    and again we can have some blending of
  • 00:50:49
    these as well because even when you
  • 00:50:51
    think about the notion of it being a
  • 00:50:53
    garden and them being mostly handsoff
  • 00:50:55
    but giving us inspirations here and
  • 00:50:57
    there to help us move along in this
  • 00:51:00
    understanding that we are all connected
  • 00:51:03
    and there's nothing that teaches that
  • 00:51:05
    like being on a planet where people go
  • 00:51:07
    through a stage or stages where they
  • 00:51:09
    treat the planet like a commodity to be
  • 00:51:11
    exploited and then they see how they
  • 00:51:13
    themselves begin to suffer because of
  • 00:51:15
    that because there's this interconnected
  • 00:51:17
    symbiotic kind of flow. So we are here
  • 00:51:20
    learning about that. We are learning in
  • 00:51:21
    real time like kids that are learning to
  • 00:51:24
    garden outside the school how it
  • 00:51:26
    actually works and how they're impacted
  • 00:51:27
    by what they garden and what kind of
  • 00:51:29
    environment they nurture. So this very
  • 00:51:31
    much fits with me. I very much resonate
  • 00:51:34
    with the notion that the Gaia spirit is
  • 00:51:37
    something we need to come into greater
  • 00:51:39
    relationship with again. I think we've
  • 00:51:40
    fallen out of relationship with Gaia and
  • 00:51:43
    there's all sorts of negative
  • 00:51:44
    implications because of that. You
  • 00:51:46
    pointed to this that basically this is
  • 00:51:49
    something I bring up a lot in my
  • 00:51:50
    classes. I mentioned this both in my
  • 00:51:52
    talk in Houston and my talk in Denver
  • 00:51:54
    recently. And that is that my really
  • 00:51:57
    strong conviction is that pretty much
  • 00:51:58
    all personal, interpersonal and
  • 00:52:00
    collective challenges arise from the
  • 00:52:03
    illusion of separation and a subset of
  • 00:52:04
    that the illusion of scarcity. That
  • 00:52:07
    those arise as illusions, speaking again
  • 00:52:10
    of Maya and only when you have
  • 00:52:12
    perspective, do you end up in the
  • 00:52:14
    conundrum we're in right now where we're
  • 00:52:15
    destroying ourselves by thinking we're
  • 00:52:17
    not connected. It's kind of like an
  • 00:52:19
    immune system revolution where your own
  • 00:52:21
    body is reacting against itself and
  • 00:52:23
    attacking itself. We've lost sight of
  • 00:52:25
    the fact that we are connected to
  • 00:52:27
    everyone and everything. And I like the
  • 00:52:30
    notion here. It very much fits with my
  • 00:52:31
    understanding that the more mature
  • 00:52:34
    brothers and sisters taking many
  • 00:52:36
    different forms. Some are biological and
  • 00:52:37
    physical. Some are purely ethereal or
  • 00:52:41
    non-biological. But this recognition
  • 00:52:43
    over and over again that we're all
  • 00:52:45
    holograms of source consciousness. The
  • 00:52:47
    more you come into an awareness of that,
  • 00:52:48
    the more powerful you are because the
  • 00:52:50
    more you are aligned with the very
  • 00:52:51
    structure of reality and the more you
  • 00:52:53
    want to support the ongoing evolution of
  • 00:52:56
    your brothers and sisters because you
  • 00:52:58
    recognize they are fundamentally no more
  • 00:53:00
    different than you. So the garden notion
  • 00:53:03
    definitely fits with a lot of the ways
  • 00:53:04
    that you think about this, the way that
  • 00:53:06
    I think about this. And the most
  • 00:53:08
    important thing is to remember that any
  • 00:53:10
    splinter of source consciousness has in
  • 00:53:12
    some ways equal potential. And it very
  • 00:53:15
    much is about remembering like you said
  • 00:53:17
    or as I like to say resonance once you
  • 00:53:20
    realize that you are not a fixed entity
  • 00:53:22
    but you choose by your own engagement
  • 00:53:25
    how you're going to resonate and that
  • 00:53:27
    will harmonically resonate with other
  • 00:53:29
    beings other kinds of realities in this
  • 00:53:31
    vast cosmos which is multi-dimensional.
  • 00:53:34
    Once you realize that, that reframes
  • 00:53:36
    every single one of these hypotheses and
  • 00:53:38
    very much supports the notion of human
  • 00:53:40
    sovereignty, human agency, and for that
  • 00:53:42
    matter that's true for every kind of
  • 00:53:43
    being across the cosmos. Any final
  • 00:53:46
    comment before we finish off here? Yeah,
  • 00:53:48
    I just want to jump in on that one. I
  • 00:53:50
    think it's really important when it
  • 00:53:51
    comes to free will, then this becomes
  • 00:53:53
    very important because it's the
  • 00:53:55
    perspective from where you look for the
  • 00:53:59
    vector of free will. So if I am aware
  • 00:54:01
    and have connection with what we might
  • 00:54:03
    call my higher self, right? And I can
  • 00:54:06
    slide up. That's why I think of as like
  • 00:54:07
    a slide up. I I move my view to that
  • 00:54:10
    broader perspective. Then I understand a
  • 00:54:13
    lot more about why my life looks the way
  • 00:54:15
    it looks and why it feels like my egoic
  • 00:54:17
    self is like I wanted to choose. Like
  • 00:54:21
    sorry it's already you already got
  • 00:54:23
    chosen. I'm sorry I've got to have this
  • 00:54:24
    experience. You know, but it's like the
  • 00:54:27
    the vector or the locust of perspective
  • 00:54:30
    really makes this whole question of free
  • 00:54:32
    will look really different. But until
  • 00:54:35
    you can access that well enough and stay
  • 00:54:39
    there and are studying it because that's
  • 00:54:40
    where the practices come in, right? This
  • 00:54:42
    is where all the the eastern teachings
  • 00:54:44
    are just very clear. If you want to
  • 00:54:46
    understand what's happening here, if you
  • 00:54:48
    even want to understand what you're
  • 00:54:49
    doing here, and you want to understand
  • 00:54:50
    your own unique creative impulse here,
  • 00:54:53
    you have to learn to access that vantage
  • 00:54:55
    point where that got designed cuz the
  • 00:54:58
    egoic self isn't the one who designed
  • 00:55:00
    it. So I I think that's really big and a
  • 00:55:03
    lot of people want that, but it does
  • 00:55:05
    take some effort to do that, to learn
  • 00:55:08
    how to do that, to hold it and clear out
  • 00:55:09
    the distortion so you can clear. But
  • 00:55:11
    it's fun, you know. It's fun. I'd highly
  • 00:55:13
    recommend it to anybody because
  • 00:55:14
    otherwise you are just living in these
  • 00:55:16
    three Mayas separateness. I'm I'm
  • 00:55:18
    separate from everybody. I'm doing all
  • 00:55:20
    this. No, you're not at all. I love
  • 00:55:22
    that. Now it's total it's a such a
  • 00:55:25
    pathway to surrender for me. I love that
  • 00:55:27
    I'm not the doer. Honestly, the older I
  • 00:55:29
    get, I'm like, great, somebody else take
  • 00:55:31
    care of it. I'll just get up and align
  • 00:55:34
    to it. And since I know it's myself who
  • 00:55:36
    loves me, I don't worry about aligning
  • 00:55:38
    to it. even if it's hard. I'm like, I
  • 00:55:39
    know my best interests are in my in my
  • 00:55:41
    heart, my highest self heart. And then
  • 00:55:43
    the illusion that you're not worthy, but
  • 00:55:45
    those are the things you can spend
  • 00:55:46
    lifetimes sort of remembering uh and
  • 00:55:50
    then dismantling and then everything can
  • 00:55:53
    can shift. Everything does shift. And I
  • 00:55:54
    think that's part of what's happening
  • 00:55:55
    here at the large level. It's what makes
  • 00:55:57
    it so exciting to be here right now.
  • 00:55:59
    There's so many of us remembering and
  • 00:56:03
    learning to move that up and everything
  • 00:56:05
    looks different from that perspective
  • 00:56:07
    including what are NHI neighbors or
  • 00:56:11
    visitors or progenitors doing what's
  • 00:56:14
    their motive because I don't think we
  • 00:56:16
    can understand motive until we
  • 00:56:17
    collectively understand a lot more about
  • 00:56:19
    that realm it they'll make no sense to
  • 00:56:22
    us at the purely egoic material realm.
  • 00:56:25
    Yeah, absolutely. In fact, one of the
  • 00:56:27
    things that's part of the lore again is
  • 00:56:28
    that many of the beings will say, "If
  • 00:56:30
    you truly understood who you are, you
  • 00:56:32
    would understand who we are." And that's
  • 00:56:34
    saying something I think really
  • 00:56:35
    important. And to close off here, we're
  • 00:56:37
    back at this notion of school or mastery
  • 00:56:40
    training, if you will, depending on how
  • 00:56:41
    you look at it. And this makes me think
  • 00:56:43
    about the difference again in the
  • 00:56:44
    non-dual traditions, a subtle difference
  • 00:56:47
    between Maya and Leela. So Maya is
  • 00:56:50
    illusion but in a more subtle refined
  • 00:56:53
    kind of perspective perhaps it's seen as
  • 00:56:55
    Leela which is the playground of spirit
  • 00:56:57
    basically. So rather than thinking about
  • 00:57:00
    it is it's real or it's not and I need
  • 00:57:02
    to know think about it more like
  • 00:57:04
    everything every manifest form every
  • 00:57:06
    time the formless pours into the form
  • 00:57:08
    it's for the sake of the dance the
  • 00:57:10
    exploration and the enjoyment and that's
  • 00:57:12
    as much true for us as co-creators as it
  • 00:57:15
    is for any of these other beings as
  • 00:57:17
    well. So bottom line, be aware of energy
  • 00:57:20
    because how you align with each of these
  • 00:57:22
    hypotheses implies an energetic
  • 00:57:25
    arrangement, a relationship with reality
  • 00:57:27
    and that will largely determine your
  • 00:57:28
    reality more than anything
  • 00:57:31
    else. All right, we thank you all for
  • 00:57:33
    joining us and we hope you'll join again
  • 00:57:35
    in a few weeks time for another edition
  • 00:57:38
    of Event Horizon.
  • 00:57:40
    [Music]
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