Henrik Kniberg: How I made Product Ownership in a Nutshell and Generative AI in a Nutshell videos
摘要
TLDRHenrik Nyberg, a notable figure in the field of agile practices and generative AI, discusses his career evolution, his work with companies like Spotify and Lego, and his insights into the use of AI in modern product development. Nyberg highlights Spotify's unique company culture that embraced agile methodologies, which was fundamental to its early success. He also shares his experience at Lego, emphasizing the importance of continuous user engagement in design processes. Currently, Nyberg is involved in exploring AI's potential as digital co-workers, focusing on building AI agents. He offers a behind-the-scenes look at his process for creating popular educational videos that explain complex topics through engaging visuals, underscoring the need for concise communication and effective use of visualization tools like ArtRage and ScreenFlow. Throughout the talk, Nyberg stresses the collaborative potential of combining AI with human ingenuity.
心得
- 🎨 Visual explanation is key for understanding complex concepts.
- 🚀 Spotify's agile culture contributed significantly to its success.
- 🎶 Henrik's early career plans included music before choosing tech.
- 🤖 AI as digital co-workers is an emerging trend.
- 📚 Continuous user feedback is crucial, as seen at Lego.
- ✏️ Drawing live engages audiences more effectively than slides.
- ⏱ Effective video storytelling requires careful scripting and timing.
- 🛠 Tools like ArtRage and ScreenFlow are essential for video production.
- 🤝 The future lies in AI-human collaboration.
- 💡 Innovation comes from combining technology with creative thinking.
时间轴
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The speaker introduces the interview with Henrik Nyberg, highlighting his expertise in generative AI and mentioning his experiences with companies like Spotify and LEGO. The session is formatted like a podcast with a focus on learning about Henrik’s background and expertise.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Henrik shares his background, growing up in Tokyo, his early interest in computers and music, and his transition from aspiring musician to programmer. He discusses the balance between arts and tech and his inclination towards programming as a career path.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
He discusses his career path from programmer to entrepreneur, his involvement with startups during the dot-com boom, and transition into management roles, learning product development along the way. Henrik highlights his journey with various startups before getting involved with Spotify.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Henrik talks about his early days at Spotify, describing it as a startup with an agile mindset from the beginning. He was involved in scaling the company with an emphasis on speed of innovation. He debunks myths about others using the 'Spotify model' for agile transformation.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
He describes the cultural aspects and agility at Spotify that allowed it to outperform larger competitors despite having fewer resources. Henrik outlines the company's focus on maintaining minimal bureaucracy and the management mindset prioritizing speed and agility.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Henrik contrasts this with his experience at LEGO, where he witnessed their openness to change and adoption of agile practices despite being a larger company. He appreciated LEGO’s focus on user involvement in design processes and the lessons he learned from their operational practices.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
He shares his contribution to Minecraft, where he worked on features like terrain generation and behaviors of character children. Henrik’s current focus is on the application of AI in tech and product development, with a strong interest in AI agents as digital co-workers.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Henrik explains that AI combined with human intelligence is where true innovation lies. He is working on autonomous AI agents that operate independently to assist in various tasks, illustrating this with a project about a 'digital journalist' working alongside humans.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
The presenter, Grant, discusses Henrik’s use of visuals in explaining concepts like the Spotify model. Visuals help convey complex ideas simply. Henrik shares processes behind creating such visuals, like using sketches and visual metaphors for clarity in communication.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Henrik takes the audience through his creative process for making viral videos. He discusses the drafting, scripting, and visual storyboarding involved, including leveraging tools like GPT for content iteration and exploring new ways to convey ideas effectively.
- 00:50:00 - 00:57:23
Henrik demonstrates his video creation process, starting with drafting a script, recording voice-over, and using tools like ArtRage and Screenflow to create and edit visuals. He emphasizes the intricate effort that goes into producing succinct, engaging visual content.
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常见问题
What is Henrik Nyberg known for?
Henrik Nyberg is known for his ability to simplify complex concepts, especially in product development and agile practices.
Where has Henrik Nyberg worked?
Henrik Nyberg has worked at companies like Spotify, Lego, and has contributed to Minecraft.
What were the early days of Spotify like according to Henrik Nyberg?
The early days of Spotify were characterized by an agile mindset and a culture optimized for speed, which allowed them to innovate and stay ahead of competitors.
What does Henrik Nyberg consider his superpower?
Henrik Nyberg's superpower is his ability to take complicated things and explain them in a simple way.
What is Henrik Nyberg currently focused on?
Henrik Nyberg’s focus is on the practical application of generative AI in product development and building AI agents as digital co-workers.
What tools does Henrik Nyberg use for creating his videos?
Henrik Nyberg uses tools like ArtRage for drawing and ScreenFlow for recording and editing his videos.
What is Henrik Nyberg's view on AI and its future?
Henrik believes that AI combined with human collaboration is the key to future innovation.
Did Henrik Nyberg attend Japanese schools?
No, Henrik did not attend Japanese schools; he attended an American school in Japan.
Why did Henrik Nyberg choose programming over a music career?
Henrik Nyberg decided to pursue a career in programming while keeping music as a hobby to avoid the pressure of income dependency on it.
What did Henrik Nyberg learn from his time at Lego?
At Lego, Henrik Nyberg observed a strong emphasis on involving users (children) continuously in the design process, which he found very instructive.
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- 00:00:01and I'm just going to
- 00:00:03Spotlight going to Spotlight
- 00:00:07us there we go and I'm going to add
- 00:00:10myself as
- 00:00:12well okay folks thank you so much for
- 00:00:15joining um it's going to be an exciting
- 00:00:18uh 50 minutes that we've got left
- 00:00:20together uh super super excited about
- 00:00:23this session don't ask me how we've got
- 00:00:25this young man on the visual Jam but uh
- 00:00:28we're very grateful for him uh accepting
- 00:00:31the invite and um so we do we have
- 00:00:34Henrik nyberg who is a chief scientist
- 00:00:38and co-founder of hs.com
- 00:00:42and fig. a and I've said that totally
- 00:00:45wrong
- 00:00:48so fleig there you go it means
- 00:00:52productive awesome uh unlike me and a
- 00:00:55consultant at crisp um so if you haven't
- 00:00:57heard of crisp um we'll be posting some
- 00:01:00links out uh in a while and uh you can
- 00:01:03you can check out the amazing work that
- 00:01:04they do there as well and henrik's focus
- 00:01:07is on uh practic the practical
- 00:01:10application of generative AI in product
- 00:01:12development and other areas um I'm not
- 00:01:15going to read his whole bio but he's his
- 00:01:17background includes working at the likes
- 00:01:19of Spotify Lego um he's even a
- 00:01:24contributed to Minecraft as well which
- 00:01:26my son was super super interested in so
- 00:01:29I'm going to be quizzing him about that
- 00:01:31um so welcome Henrik nber to the visual
- 00:01:34Jam today thank you very much it's great
- 00:01:35to be here a you're welcome Henrik so
- 00:01:39the format of today we're going to do a
- 00:01:41bit of a interview getting to know
- 00:01:43Henrik at the beginning and uh then I'll
- 00:01:46be passing over to Grant um who's going
- 00:01:48to then quiz Henrik on uh some of the
- 00:01:51great work he does especially around his
- 00:01:53visual work uh and then we'll we'll kind
- 00:01:56of bring in a lot more of the audience
- 00:01:58participation from they on so I'm going
- 00:02:01to treat this like a podcast episode
- 00:02:03Henrik if you don't mind so um I'm going
- 00:02:06to ask you first of all what is your
- 00:02:07superpower that you bring to the
- 00:02:10world oh superpower um I think what
- 00:02:13other people say is my superpower is
- 00:02:15ability to take complicated things and
- 00:02:16explain it in a simple way so I'm going
- 00:02:18to go with that nice nice and I think a
- 00:02:22lot of people on the call today are
- 00:02:23probably also hoping that they can build
- 00:02:26that superpower especially uh the visual
- 00:02:28thinkers amongst us
- 00:02:30so in terms of yourself and your
- 00:02:34background Henrik take me back to a
- 00:02:3610-year-old Henrik what was he like and
- 00:02:40what dreams and aspirations did he have
- 00:02:4210 year-old Henrik lived in Tokyo liked
- 00:02:44to ride his bike
- 00:02:46around um I'm not sure if I'd gotten
- 00:02:48into computers yet by then but maybe uh
- 00:02:51I was pretty early into hacking
- 00:02:53computers having having a lot of fun
- 00:02:54well not hacking but tinkering with with
- 00:02:56computers and banging on the piano
- 00:02:58sometimes that that was pretty much much
- 00:03:00me wow and you mentioned Tokyo did you
- 00:03:03say yeah I grew up there I lived 16
- 00:03:05years as a kid in Tokyo before moving to
- 00:03:07here seden wow tell us a little bit
- 00:03:10about Tokyo because I have a friend over
- 00:03:11there and just just Japan generally like
- 00:03:14the culture is very different to many
- 00:03:16other oh yeah live living in I mostly I
- 00:03:18was in Japan during the most of the year
- 00:03:19and then Sweden during the Summers so
- 00:03:21these cultures are very different so it
- 00:03:22was quite interesting um but yeah Tokyo
- 00:03:26big city uh noisy but kind of clean for
- 00:03:29being a big city very little crime rate
- 00:03:31friendly people and very
- 00:03:33chaotic nice nice and the education
- 00:03:36system is very different as well I
- 00:03:38believe it's very different but I didn't
- 00:03:40attend Japanese schools I attended uh an
- 00:03:42American School in Japan so I don't I
- 00:03:44have don't a firsthand experience of the
- 00:03:46Japanese education system got it and
- 00:03:50what did you want to be when you grew up
- 00:03:51like I'm guessing it was something to do
- 00:03:53with computers because you were
- 00:03:54tinkering with I like tinkering with
- 00:03:55computers but originally I was planning
- 00:03:57to be a musician actually um because I
- 00:03:59like tinkering with instruments as well
- 00:04:00I'm in my home studio it's it's I'm
- 00:04:02surrounded by instruments here oh wow
- 00:04:05you got a whole BN there yeah yeah uh
- 00:04:07but at some point I decided that I want
- 00:04:09to play music for fun I don't want to
- 00:04:10have to feel the pressure of making an
- 00:04:11income out of it so then I decided that
- 00:04:14maybe computers and programming could be
- 00:04:15my source of income and then I could
- 00:04:17play music just for fun so that's kind
- 00:04:18of what I do oh nice nice I love that
- 00:04:22and is that important for you to have
- 00:04:24that balance between having a sort of a
- 00:04:27the Arts and some of the more kind of
- 00:04:29hardcore work that you do which is kind
- 00:04:32of predominantly Tech definitely like
- 00:04:34way my brain never stops thinking about
- 00:04:36stuff and it drives me crazy so the only
- 00:04:38way to get my brain to shut up is to you
- 00:04:40know get occupied with something so if
- 00:04:42I'm playing piano or something then I'm
- 00:04:43I'm I'm being kind of mindful and
- 00:04:45present so that that's great I need that
- 00:04:48escape got it and so tell me a little
- 00:04:52bit about your career then from then on
- 00:04:54in so when you moved to Sweden like what
- 00:04:58happened then in terms of your
- 00:05:00job situation so came to Sweden went to
- 00:05:02boarding school and then like I said
- 00:05:05decided to not be a musician instead
- 00:05:06become a programmer so I studied at at
- 00:05:08at Royal Institute of Technology here in
- 00:05:10Stockholm basically computer science and
- 00:05:13this was during the.com boom so a lot of
- 00:05:15you know companies were starting up and
- 00:05:17I got kind of dragged into that whole
- 00:05:18Whirlwind um so I went from being a
- 00:05:21programmer and a consultant to being an
- 00:05:22entrepreneur and as some of the
- 00:05:24companies I was involved with grew then
- 00:05:25I kind of stumbled into being a manager
- 00:05:28and that's kind of how I learned
- 00:05:30you know about about product development
- 00:05:33from a bunch of different perspectives
- 00:05:34by basically being pushed off a cliff a
- 00:05:35few
- 00:05:36times got it and was your one of your
- 00:05:41first major roles was that at Spotify
- 00:05:44did you start off there or was that Lego
- 00:05:46I'm trying to remember just just looking
- 00:05:48back so I was involved in a few pretty
- 00:05:51much unknown startups during that period
- 00:05:53and then as I learned um I started
- 00:05:55sharing knowledge through articles and
- 00:05:57videos and then Spotify was just one of
- 00:06:00the clients that I ended up with but it
- 00:06:01was a company that I stayed with a long
- 00:06:02time and I was there quite early so it
- 00:06:04was a very interesting Journey um but
- 00:06:06but my kind of career as kind of
- 00:06:09coaching which is what I've been doing
- 00:06:10for a long a big part of my career
- 00:06:12started a lot earlier than than Spotify
- 00:06:15it's just that I think Spotify is what
- 00:06:16most people know about since I made a
- 00:06:17video about what was going on going on
- 00:06:19there yeah and about five million people
- 00:06:21on the planet have watched it so yeah
- 00:06:23I'm sure we we all know about that and
- 00:06:25we'll post some links to those videos uh
- 00:06:27in in a short while so people who
- 00:06:29haven't come across your work can check
- 00:06:31it out I'm really interested to know
- 00:06:34your sort of some of your experiences at
- 00:06:37Spotify because I think a lot of us we
- 00:06:39hear all of these amazing stories about
- 00:06:41you know how we should be using the
- 00:06:43Spotify model um when we're when we're
- 00:06:46sort of trying to implement ways of
- 00:06:48working such as agile
- 00:06:50but could you tell us a bit more about
- 00:06:53the early days of Spotify like was it
- 00:06:55literally like a handful of people sat
- 00:06:56in a room or you know was it more than
- 00:06:58that pretty pretty much your standard
- 00:07:00startup a bunch of swedes at at my
- 00:07:02University got together and decided to
- 00:07:04revolutionize the music industry being
- 00:07:06being the naive idiots that all
- 00:07:07entrepreneurs have to be otherwise no
- 00:07:08companies get started so everyone said
- 00:07:10that's that's a stupid idea you can't
- 00:07:11change the whole music industry so they
- 00:07:13went ahead and just did it anyway which
- 00:07:15is kind of cool and I was lucky to get
- 00:07:16involved pretty early um and what was
- 00:07:19interesting to me was that it the
- 00:07:20company was born into agile from the
- 00:07:22beginning I never had to convince anyone
- 00:07:23I never had to transform the company
- 00:07:25they had an agile mindset pretty much
- 00:07:27from the get-go and I was happy to have
- 00:07:29a chance to kind kind of contribute to
- 00:07:30that so my job there was just to help us
- 00:07:32figure out how to scale with this as we
- 00:07:33grew and how do we manage now that we
- 00:07:35got you know multiple teams or even
- 00:07:37hundreds of of
- 00:07:38teams nice but yeah to be clear I've
- 00:07:40never told anyone anywhere that they
- 00:07:42should be using the Spotify
- 00:07:44[Laughter]
- 00:07:46model yeah I I I've seen a few blogs
- 00:07:48about that where people have tried to um
- 00:07:51dissuade people from using it and uh and
- 00:07:54they still go ahead and and well I
- 00:07:55wouldn't say that either I just say you
- 00:07:57know do whatever works for you and
- 00:07:59Spotify is one example of one company so
- 00:08:01if if some of the stuff we were doing
- 00:08:02inspires you then then then steal that
- 00:08:05take the best bits and then adapt it to
- 00:08:06your context I mean that that that's
- 00:08:09kind of what we were doing um at Spotify
- 00:08:11great and I I I'm just looking at the
- 00:08:13chat as well so I'll crowdsource a few
- 00:08:15questions as we go along and Pedro is
- 00:08:17asking what what kind of company is
- 00:08:18Spotify to work for like What's the
- 00:08:20culture like there so I I I haven't been
- 00:08:23there for like six years I have friends
- 00:08:24that are still there but I can only
- 00:08:25speak to when I was there um and I
- 00:08:28thought it was kind of amazing um really
- 00:08:30one of the most um kind of cool and fun
- 00:08:32cultures I've ever worked at it was it
- 00:08:34was just interesting and that's why I
- 00:08:36decided to write about it because there
- 00:08:37was there was something interesting
- 00:08:38going on there I'm not exactly sure how
- 00:08:40it came to be but U it was definitely a
- 00:08:42different culture um some of it maybe
- 00:08:45was changed and a little bit lost as as
- 00:08:47as it grew which often happens with
- 00:08:48companies as they get big but yeah I
- 00:08:51thought it was quite quite a really
- 00:08:52interesting
- 00:08:53company and I mean thinking about times
- 00:08:57back then you had Apple who had you know
- 00:09:00the their kind of Apple Store and the
- 00:09:02and and and all the kind of the music um
- 00:09:05side of things and I guess you know H
- 00:09:08how did they compete with these these
- 00:09:10big players in the market and what what
- 00:09:12was their secret to that in the
- 00:09:14beginning it was very simple they didn't
- 00:09:15need to compete because everyone thought
- 00:09:16Spotify were idiots doing something that
- 00:09:18that shouldn't be done it can't be done
- 00:09:20so nobody was bothering to compete with
- 00:09:21Spotify because they're obviously going
- 00:09:22to fail um but then after a while
- 00:09:25suddenly it turned out that actually
- 00:09:26spotify's idea of having people stream
- 00:09:29music instead of owning music and you
- 00:09:31know consuming music online instead of
- 00:09:33buying CDs that crazy idea turned out
- 00:09:35actually to be a good idea and people
- 00:09:37loved it and it became huge so then the
- 00:09:39competitors woke up Google and apple and
- 00:09:41all these companies that started chasing
- 00:09:42after Spotify so then of course that
- 00:09:44created a bit of a panic and everyone
- 00:09:45asked B if I was like ah no we we got to
- 00:09:48be faster than ever but but I would say
- 00:09:51um a lot of it boiled down to Spotify at
- 00:09:54the time had less money less people less
- 00:09:56resources less everything than their
- 00:09:57competitors but the one thing they had
- 00:09:59was an incredibly strong culture and a
- 00:10:01very very you know um and a culture
- 00:10:04optimized for Speed of innovation and
- 00:10:06speed of iteration which meant they
- 00:10:08could pretty much out agile their
- 00:10:10competitors and I think that's really
- 00:10:11what what helped them win and would you
- 00:10:14say that was due to the structures they
- 00:10:16had in place or the the fluid structures
- 00:10:19or or what what is that secret Source
- 00:10:22because I I hear sort of other
- 00:10:25organizations constantly trying to bring
- 00:10:28that agility into their organization the
- 00:10:30first thing they go for are working
- 00:10:33practices yeah I think it's kind of like
- 00:10:35some people think that Spotify became
- 00:10:37agile because of the of the structure
- 00:10:39but I think it's more like the opposite
- 00:10:41the structure was created because he
- 00:10:42wanted to be agile so the the mindset of
- 00:10:46the management especially the the the
- 00:10:48the technical leaders was really we need
- 00:10:50to be really fast we need to move fast
- 00:10:52and turn fast and learn faster than our
- 00:10:54competitors because that's the only Edge
- 00:10:55we have so by optimizing for that then
- 00:10:58everything else kind of
- 00:10:59so in order to move fast teams need to
- 00:11:01be able to make decisions on their own
- 00:11:02and not wait for for management okay
- 00:11:04what do we need to have in place for
- 00:11:04that to happen in order to release often
- 00:11:06we need to automate everything so what
- 00:11:09do we need need to do to make that
- 00:11:10happen so everything kind of followed
- 00:11:12from that main goal of we need to be
- 00:11:14really
- 00:11:15fast and then in St contrast Lego who
- 00:11:19were this this larger organ yeah could
- 00:11:23you tell us a bit about Lego like what
- 00:11:25was that transition like for you when
- 00:11:27you went there what what was the
- 00:11:30I I guess lay of the land there because
- 00:11:32I know Lego went through this big dip at
- 00:11:35one point went out of business that was
- 00:11:37kind of before my time but they uh they
- 00:11:39had a crisis and came out of it and
- 00:11:41learned a lot and became stronger from
- 00:11:42it when I came to Lego they were really
- 00:11:45open to change they had noticed they had
- 00:11:47seen the Spotify stuff that I wrote
- 00:11:49about and they realized that um they
- 00:11:53need to change the way they work to move
- 00:11:54a lot faster the world is moving too
- 00:11:55fast so although Lego was really really
- 00:11:58good at at things like water model and
- 00:11:59traditional processes they've really
- 00:12:01ironed that out they realize that being
- 00:12:03good at that is not enough anymore in
- 00:12:04this in this faster moving world so I
- 00:12:07was very surprised how this big old
- 00:12:09company was was open to trying new new
- 00:12:12new ideas that was kind of fun but
- 00:12:14personally it was fun for me because I
- 00:12:15mostly work within software companies
- 00:12:18but Lego is not a software company right
- 00:12:21so software is just it's just an enabler
- 00:12:23for them so it's really fun to comp to
- 00:12:25come to a company and learn a lot about
- 00:12:26you know how do they actually make molds
- 00:12:28and how do they make these boxes how do
- 00:12:30they run the factory and how can we
- 00:12:31apply some thinking to other parts of
- 00:12:33Lego such as their design process so
- 00:12:35that was I I learned a lot from that
- 00:12:38what were some of the biggest learnings
- 00:12:39from that design process because I'm
- 00:12:41sure um we could learn a lot from that
- 00:12:43as well I think something that I kind of
- 00:12:46already knew but that became even
- 00:12:48stronger was when I noticed how
- 00:12:50incredibly good they were at involving
- 00:12:52the user um continuously in this case
- 00:12:55kids so trying out models really early
- 00:12:58um like even designers with 50 years of
- 00:13:01experience like half a decade of
- 00:13:02experience had the the the humility to
- 00:13:06realize that they don't have all the
- 00:13:07answers I need to be testing my models
- 00:13:08all the time with real users so that
- 00:13:10that was a that was a big aha for me to
- 00:13:12see that kind of ingrained in the
- 00:13:13culture nice and I have to ask you this
- 00:13:17next question because of my son who's um
- 00:13:19who's 12 and uh he absolutely loves
- 00:13:21playing Minecraft so you when we spoke
- 00:13:25to you pre sort of the event you
- 00:13:28mentioned mentioned You' actually built
- 00:13:30some features within the Minecraft game
- 00:13:32like could you tell us a bit more about
- 00:13:34that yeah I I probably well I worked as
- 00:13:36a designers and and a developers so of
- 00:13:38course I didn't build anything alone but
- 00:13:40I I had a pretty core role in probably
- 00:13:42about 10 or 15 different features in in
- 00:13:44in the game um I guess maybe one of some
- 00:13:46of the most visible ones is the terrain
- 00:13:48generation we completely changed it we
- 00:13:50made completely new types of caves and
- 00:13:51new mountains and I spent about a year
- 00:13:53working on just about only that um so
- 00:13:56very very fun stuff but my my first
- 00:13:58feature in Minecraft was actually the
- 00:13:59Villager children um so there's little
- 00:14:01kids in Minecraft they didn't do
- 00:14:02anything so I I made them play so you
- 00:14:05see little children chasing each other
- 00:14:06and jumping on the bed and stuff then
- 00:14:08that that was my my my first one oh wow
- 00:14:11I'll have to look out for that I'll get
- 00:14:12my son afterwards to give me a quick
- 00:14:14demo and Henrik I know we don't have a a
- 00:14:18lot of time for this snippet but I'd be
- 00:14:20really interested to know your
- 00:14:22perspective on the future of generally
- 00:14:24sort of tech and product development and
- 00:14:28also some of the AI stuff you're doing
- 00:14:31at the moment because I believe that's
- 00:14:33now that next phase of of your journey
- 00:14:36yeah I I did a pretty quick pivot about
- 00:14:38about a year ago when I realized that my
- 00:14:40God this AI thing is changing everything
- 00:14:41and I got fascinated by it so since then
- 00:14:43I've worked pretty much full-time um
- 00:14:45exploring how to apply this technology
- 00:14:48but also Consulting with companies and
- 00:14:49I'm involved in several startups and
- 00:14:51basically just Dove dove in and I think
- 00:14:54that's pretty much what the future of
- 00:14:55tech is it really is about um embracing
- 00:14:59Ai and using AI as your colleague in
- 00:15:01your day-to-day work and what does that
- 00:15:03mean in practice so that's kind of
- 00:15:04what's being the what everyone is trying
- 00:15:06to discover right
- 00:15:07now and the exciting projects that
- 00:15:10you're working on at the moment could
- 00:15:11you give us a bit more detail about that
- 00:15:14yeah I guess most recently me and some
- 00:15:16friends were involved in a Swedish TV
- 00:15:18documentary um about generative Ai and
- 00:15:21our part in that was about AI agents and
- 00:15:24an AI agent is essentially a coworker a
- 00:15:26digital coworker that works autonomously
- 00:15:28doesn't just sit around wait for you to
- 00:15:29prompt it but it has a mission and it
- 00:15:31has tools and it works alongside you
- 00:15:33autonomously so we built basically a
- 00:15:35digital journalist to work alongside a
- 00:15:36human journalists um and they
- 00:15:38collaborate on on a trailer board and
- 00:15:40and create content and um it's just it's
- 00:15:42been really fun so I I recently put up a
- 00:15:45little demo video on our fleet. site um
- 00:15:48which I guess I can put a link to um but
- 00:15:51yeah so I guess my focus in like within
- 00:15:52the AI field is really about uh building
- 00:15:55autonomous agents or or digital
- 00:15:57co-workers oh super I mean that just
- 00:16:00sounds super futuristic so excited to to
- 00:16:03know more about that I guess a keep part
- 00:16:05of that is is my my big aha has been
- 00:16:06that AI is amazing but AI plus human
- 00:16:10that that's where the magic Lies when
- 00:16:11humans work together with AI so that's
- 00:16:12kind of the space that I'm trying to
- 00:16:14zoom in on oh brilliant I'm glad you
- 00:16:17finished off on that note because uh I
- 00:16:19think that gives us all a sense of
- 00:16:20relief which is which is great that
- 00:16:22we're still needed I I think we're still
- 00:16:26needed for how long I don't know but but
- 00:16:30for
- 00:16:30now oh brilliant well thank you so much
- 00:16:34Henrik for that I'm gonna now pass over
- 00:16:36to my good friend Grant and he's going
- 00:16:38to take the next part of the session
- 00:16:42over to you grant thanks Paddy well i'
- 00:16:45been really interested to to hear your
- 00:16:48background and and what an amazing
- 00:16:50journey you've been on um Henrik but I
- 00:16:53think the bit that that caused me to get
- 00:16:55in touch with you and and kind of chance
- 00:16:58my arm at if you join us on on the
- 00:17:00visual Jam was um was really how I you
- 00:17:05CAU my attention by using visuals to
- 00:17:08explain things you talked about the
- 00:17:10Spotify model and I remember seeing a
- 00:17:13video you did agile product ownership in
- 00:17:15a nutshell which which really simplified
- 00:17:19the explanation of how agile works from
- 00:17:20a product owner perspective from my I've
- 00:17:23shared that so many times with people to
- 00:17:25just say well if you want to know what
- 00:17:27what product ownership is just go and
- 00:17:28watch that and then we'll have a
- 00:17:30conversation so um that's the bit that I
- 00:17:32wanted to kind of De dive a bit um
- 00:17:34deeper into in in this session really so
- 00:17:37I wondered if you could maybe share with
- 00:17:39us some of the
- 00:17:40examples that you've produced in in the
- 00:17:43past and kind of maybe let the uh the
- 00:17:45audience see some of the the types of
- 00:17:47visuals that that I'm talking about cool
- 00:17:50is this where we start sharing the
- 00:17:51mirror board I guess yeah yeah if you
- 00:17:53could so uh let me uh so yeah we did a
- 00:17:55bit a bit of very very last minute prep
- 00:17:57here and very pictures into a
- 00:18:00board so uh um I'll share my whole
- 00:18:03screen so I'll be sharing some other
- 00:18:04stuff I guess as well right um so share
- 00:18:08screen um desktop one there we
- 00:18:12go so uh yeah um here are some examples
- 00:18:16um that uh I think Grant and Patty put
- 00:18:19up just now
- 00:18:21um and I don't know what I should say
- 00:18:23about them
- 00:18:25um I have some links below to where they
- 00:18:28interested to kind of just talk us
- 00:18:29through a couple of them Henry can
- 00:18:31explain kind of why you use the visuals
- 00:18:34why did you find the need to create a
- 00:18:35visual for example on explaining MVPs
- 00:18:37right so um people are wired differently
- 00:18:41the way I I'm wired is I I cannot think
- 00:18:43without drawing essentially um so if I'm
- 00:18:46trying to explain something to myself or
- 00:18:48to someone else I need a whiteboard or
- 00:18:50piece of paper and I need to draw and
- 00:18:52only then does it become clear in my
- 00:18:53head um so this is just the result of
- 00:18:57that and I think these pictures are than
- 00:18:59these are not representative because
- 00:19:00normally when I'm drawing it's looks
- 00:19:02more like you know I I have a draw
- 00:19:05drawing tablet here it's more like you
- 00:19:06know like
- 00:19:08that and like there's the car it's it's
- 00:19:12super ugly it's really really simple
- 00:19:14because I'm just trying to convey
- 00:19:15something and I have to draw while while
- 00:19:16thinking about it so after a typical
- 00:19:18session with me you'll have a whiteboard
- 00:19:19that's just a a mess that no one can
- 00:19:21understand except the people who are
- 00:19:22there these pictures are a little
- 00:19:23polished up because I wrote an
- 00:19:27article yeah and and talk us through
- 00:19:30that that one in the middle there you've
- 00:19:31got a little man teaching on a pile of
- 00:19:34rocks using yeah yeah so so the the
- 00:19:37Spotify engineering culture video um let
- 00:19:41me dig that up just just to show the
- 00:19:42whole picture um Spotify engineering
- 00:19:45culture uh it's actually two videos but
- 00:19:48it's it's a live drawing video and all
- 00:19:50my videos are tend to be live drawn like
- 00:19:52like this and then at the end it ends up
- 00:19:55being this big picture um which I think
- 00:19:57yeah so um what I basically did there is
- 00:20:01for every little part that I wanted to
- 00:20:03explain I wanted to have some visual way
- 00:20:05of doing it and here I wanted to explain
- 00:20:08what I thought was quite fascinating at
- 00:20:10Spotify which was this culture of
- 00:20:12finding the minimum viable bureaucracy
- 00:20:14like we need some structure but we want
- 00:20:16want as little structure as possible
- 00:20:17because structure can get in the way but
- 00:20:19with two little structure we just get
- 00:20:20chaos so I was trying to think of how do
- 00:20:22I visualize that and then I thought of
- 00:20:24okay we're balancing between two things
- 00:20:26so I think my first stratch was pretty
- 00:20:27much like uh maybe just a scale like
- 00:20:29that you know like that and then here's
- 00:20:31um chaos and here's bureaucracy I was
- 00:20:34like okay this is boring can I make it
- 00:20:35more fun and I like what is the
- 00:20:37consequence of chaos what is the
- 00:20:38consequence of bureaucracy and I thought
- 00:20:40of if it's too bureaucratic you get kind
- 00:20:41of stuck it's painful and you can't move
- 00:20:43and you're stuck so I just envisioned
- 00:20:45falling down into these spikes I know
- 00:20:47it's kind of morbid but and then with
- 00:20:49chaos you're just running around
- 00:20:50fighting fires everywhere so I figured I
- 00:20:51might as well and that's painful in in
- 00:20:53another way so that's how I ended up
- 00:20:55doing that and then I this the RIT
- 00:20:58version of this was actually for a talk
- 00:21:00in Paris so I drew the Eiffel Tower in
- 00:21:02the first version here for that talk
- 00:21:04okay but then later on when I made the
- 00:21:05Spotify version I was like uh it' be
- 00:21:08weird what why is the Eiffel Tower here
- 00:21:09so I figured why not a pile of rock
- 00:21:11because that shows the kind of uh how
- 00:21:13it's not entirely stable this balance
- 00:21:15and it could fall apart and I also
- 00:21:17thought carefully about the fact that in
- 00:21:18the video I mentioned that we prefer
- 00:21:20chaos over bureaucracy so we'll never
- 00:21:22find a perfect balance but if I have to
- 00:21:23pick I'd rather be a little bit too far
- 00:21:26this way that's why I drew this guy kind
- 00:21:28of buting a little bit to the left here
- 00:21:30and then I and I looked at picture after
- 00:21:32a while I'm like hm what what is helping
- 00:21:34us figure this out and I thought well
- 00:21:35this is really a cultural thing that
- 00:21:37nobody talks about this but it's kind of
- 00:21:39assumed that we that we we we want to
- 00:21:42find a balance and we definitely don't
- 00:21:43want to be here and we'd rather be a
- 00:21:44little bit more here and that's kind of
- 00:21:46what the culture is so then I just added
- 00:21:48this this bit bit down here so yeah
- 00:21:50that's kind of the story behind that
- 00:21:52picture oh that's
- 00:21:54cool oh I had this that's interesting
- 00:21:57was oh yeah this is interesting when I
- 00:21:58came Spotify was a dinky little startup
- 00:22:01and the small little startups are just
- 00:22:02chaotic but then as they grew they
- 00:22:03needed to add a little more structure so
- 00:22:05I drew the Spotify ion and said here
- 00:22:07they are on the journey towards the
- 00:22:08right when I came to Lego was kind of
- 00:22:10the opposite they had all this
- 00:22:11bureaucracy all this structure which we
- 00:22:12need to remove and simplify so they were
- 00:22:14kind of too far to the right and move
- 00:22:15moving to the left so I added
- 00:22:18those it's really interesting how such a
- 00:22:20simple visual though packs so much into
- 00:22:24it and you can tell a whole story around
- 00:22:26that one Visual and we all kind of
- 00:22:28intuitively get it right yeah um the
- 00:22:32other example you've got to the far
- 00:22:33right there is is probably the bit you
- 00:22:35just started to talk about towards the
- 00:22:36end of that discussion with Paddy the
- 00:22:39idea of embedding AI into into work do
- 00:22:42you want to explain this one because I
- 00:22:44like this because it's really simple
- 00:22:45which yeah yeah I wrote an article just
- 00:22:47just just last week um on the theme of
- 00:22:49like since I've worked a lot within the
- 00:22:51agile space and now focus on AI then the
- 00:22:52question is what's the impact how does
- 00:22:54agile change and I think it changes
- 00:22:56quite a lot so I wrote an article at
- 00:22:58that end as usual I need pictures about
- 00:22:59every paragraph otherwise I can't even
- 00:23:01sort things out of my own head these are
- 00:23:03really simp this is more representative
- 00:23:05these are the kind of ugly drawings I
- 00:23:06normally draw very very very simple just
- 00:23:08to capture this this is the vend diagram
- 00:23:10of knowledge a cross functional team
- 00:23:12with people and overlapping knowledge
- 00:23:13and here comes AI with massive knowledge
- 00:23:16but it doesn't replace all human
- 00:23:17knowledge um so and what I wanted to add
- 00:23:20there was my prediction and I hate
- 00:23:21predicting things because they're always
- 00:23:22wrong of course especially with AI but I
- 00:23:25still felt the need to to share some
- 00:23:27some observations and the observation
- 00:23:29seems to be that teams are getting
- 00:23:31smaller because when you're a when you
- 00:23:32have an AI empowered team you don't
- 00:23:34necessarily need all these different
- 00:23:36cross functional skills because AI just
- 00:23:38has this incredibly huge skill base so
- 00:23:40the pattern I'm seeing is that teams are
- 00:23:42getting smaller but then more numerous
- 00:23:44so I wanted to capture that in one
- 00:23:46picture so I was like okay here's a
- 00:23:47couple of typical agile cross functional
- 00:23:49teams that are typically five or six
- 00:23:51people and maybe we're moving towards a
- 00:23:53world where there's smaller teams and
- 00:23:55each one has an AI buddy and then we
- 00:23:58probably have more of those teams so
- 00:23:59that's kind of what I wanted to cap
- 00:24:01capture
- 00:24:03there cool and um I think on the board
- 00:24:07as well we've actually got a couple of
- 00:24:08the example videos I think the the
- 00:24:11latest one you've done is is on
- 00:24:13generative AI this one yeah yeah so talk
- 00:24:17us to because I because I I I loved this
- 00:24:20one and I love the the kind of metaphor
- 00:24:23you used of having kind of Einstein in
- 00:24:25your basement that really jumps out and
- 00:24:28kind of gets the point across really
- 00:24:30simply in a way that you know most
- 00:24:32people just intuitively get and
- 00:24:35understand but talk us through the
- 00:24:36process of how you went about crafting
- 00:24:39this did you just start doodling did you
- 00:24:41have a script beforehand how did you go
- 00:24:43about doing this one so first of all I
- 00:24:45can mention a funny thing about this
- 00:24:46thing um we have this figure Einstein
- 00:24:48the video the video again is the process
- 00:24:50of me drawing this picture and I have a
- 00:24:51link down here um in fact let me just
- 00:24:53show a few seconds of it to get a sense
- 00:24:55of what it is
- 00:24:57um let's just jump in somewhere Wild
- 00:25:00West just keep in mind that you
- 00:25:02generally get what you pay for so with a
- 00:25:05free model you may so I use the pen
- 00:25:08to to point to things but also to draw
- 00:25:12things I sometimes paste in pictures of
- 00:25:15the technology and then a lot of live
- 00:25:16drawing right poetry so uh a funny thing
- 00:25:19about Einstein so I've noticed that I
- 00:25:21unconsciously try to have a character in
- 00:25:23my videos whenever possible and I only
- 00:25:25learned recently that that's part of
- 00:25:26what makes the videos engaging so in my
- 00:25:28first one with product ownership in a
- 00:25:30nutshell here's the first thing I say my
- 00:25:31first sentence is here's Pat she's a
- 00:25:34product owner let's explain things from
- 00:25:35her perspective and I'm always referring
- 00:25:37back to her perspective and she's kind
- 00:25:38of the the the protagonist here and here
- 00:25:41it's kind of by accident I think I had
- 00:25:43this Einstein figure who starts over
- 00:25:45here is stuck in the basement later on
- 00:25:47he gets to take a walk with you and
- 00:25:49later on he actually gets to uh be free
- 00:25:51and go out and walk on his own with a
- 00:25:53mission and own tools so and and I think
- 00:25:56yeah having a some kind of protagonist
- 00:25:57helps
- 00:25:59but yeah the story behind this video so
- 00:26:01this reflects it's funny because I get
- 00:26:02this question a lot it's it's so funny
- 00:26:04if you look at this video if you look at
- 00:26:05the comments of the video it's
- 00:26:07incredible like every I would say I do
- 00:26:10read comments and about every every
- 00:26:13second comment is how the hell did you
- 00:26:14make the video so everyone is curious
- 00:26:17about how the hell so what's the process
- 00:26:19so I'm glad to finally get a little bit
- 00:26:20of time to
- 00:26:22explain I haven't got around to it so
- 00:26:24what is the process so basically um at a
- 00:26:28high level I start with um a PowerPoint
- 00:26:32and that's going to be a that's going to
- 00:26:34sound very boring but I start with a
- 00:26:36PowerPoint and just think a little bit
- 00:26:38about what what do I want to get across
- 00:26:40so I'm like there's so many videos
- 00:26:41explaining j i why would I make a video
- 00:26:42at all I had to explain it I had to
- 00:26:44convince myself to make a video I was
- 00:26:46skeptical but I decided that okay I've
- 00:26:48learned a lot and I want to get out get
- 00:26:50it out of my head maybe I can maybe I
- 00:26:52can paint the big picture so I like okay
- 00:26:54handdrawn is more fun to watch um ends
- 00:26:56with a picture that looks attractive
- 00:26:58this was my little pitch just for myself
- 00:27:00like why am i g to go off to my summer
- 00:27:01Cottage and spend a week just zooming in
- 00:27:04on this right so I managed to convince
- 00:27:06myself that that's a good idea and this
- 00:27:07was my own little pitch um and then I
- 00:27:11then each I started dividing it into
- 00:27:13chapters like um a chapter to me is like
- 00:27:16a um a 10 10 or 20 second part of the
- 00:27:19video and by the way stop if I get too
- 00:27:21detailed here I don't I don't know what
- 00:27:22level I should put this at but
- 00:27:25essentially I I figure out one of the
- 00:27:26main chapters and it just start with the
- 00:27:28title of each one um and it's iterative
- 00:27:30so I don't get it right in the beginning
- 00:27:32I go back and change it over and over
- 00:27:34again I spent about a couple of days
- 00:27:36obsessing over the script because one
- 00:27:38thing I've learned is that a video
- 00:27:39shouldn't be long um and with my product
- 00:27:42ownership video it's a 15minute video
- 00:27:45that corresponds to about two days of
- 00:27:47training so I got to condense it to an
- 00:27:49insane level which means every word
- 00:27:51matters so when I start looking at what
- 00:27:54am I going to say here I write something
- 00:27:57and then I change it and I change it and
- 00:27:58I change it like so many times until
- 00:28:00it's as short as it possibly can be and
- 00:28:02then I count the words and I stick stick
- 00:28:05it into a very perimeter spreadsheet
- 00:28:07called
- 00:28:08timings and I just WR how many words was
- 00:28:11it I I use a tool to count it I don't
- 00:28:13count it by hand but I stick how many
- 00:28:15words because I've learned historically
- 00:28:16how many how many words I speak per
- 00:28:18second 2.8 words per
- 00:28:20second if I speak faster than that I
- 00:28:23lose everyone so that's really too fast
- 00:28:25even then but so I basically this gives
- 00:28:28me a budget the video should ideally be
- 00:28:3015 minutes at most so I have a budget of
- 00:28:322525 words and I'm going to do my best
- 00:28:35to keep the video to that length so
- 00:28:36that's kind of my my constraint that I
- 00:28:38try to enforce on myself and then I and
- 00:28:40then I also um for each little section I
- 00:28:43start thinking about what's going to be
- 00:28:44my visual so here's an ugly draft I want
- 00:28:46to I'm talking about computers can all
- 00:28:48think in the past they just executed
- 00:28:49scripts so maybe I can use a metaphor
- 00:28:51for that a calculator it's just executes
- 00:28:53instructions so maybe I maybe I have a
- 00:28:55calculator here and a bit of code so I
- 00:28:57just kind of put a little dra drawing
- 00:28:58here's another example of of Ven diagram
- 00:29:00of how different AI Technologies fit
- 00:29:02together just quickly draw something
- 00:29:03ugly here sometimes I copy paste stuff
- 00:29:05from a slide here this was from a slide
- 00:29:07that I I used in some presentation so
- 00:29:09what am I going to say what am I going
- 00:29:10to draw roughly I'm then to obsess over
- 00:29:13this for a couple of days back and forth
- 00:29:15back and forth and for this video I
- 00:29:17actually used GPT to help me so GPT I I
- 00:29:20pasted in this stuff gave it to gp4 and
- 00:29:23and asked it to help me match this goal
- 00:29:26I wanted to be you know a audience I
- 00:29:28want to reach both people who are new
- 00:29:30and I also want to be able to reach
- 00:29:31people that are experienced so I should
- 00:29:32use Simple metaphors but not too simple
- 00:29:34and Etc so GPT was very helpful for to
- 00:29:37find the right balance and it found some
- 00:29:39factual errors it suggested some
- 00:29:41metaphors it's a lot more useful than
- 00:29:42people realized um and and once I'm done
- 00:29:46with
- 00:29:47this um then I basically record and I
- 00:29:51think maybe I should just demonstrate
- 00:29:53that instead of just talking about it
- 00:29:54what do you
- 00:29:56think I see nodding great so let's say I
- 00:29:59have a script here right in fact let's
- 00:30:01let's let's make a video now um show and
- 00:30:04tell is more fun than talking so let's
- 00:30:05say here's my video script
- 00:30:08okay um there was once
- 00:30:12upon there needs to be a protagonist
- 00:30:14right a an AI named Kenny he was sad
- 00:30:19because he was alone uh one day he
- 00:30:22joined a Dev team um they loved him and
- 00:30:26he became happy
- 00:30:29how about
- 00:30:31that what do you think good story we
- 00:30:35have a protagonist named Kenny cool yeah
- 00:30:36so let's say I've iterated on this a lot
- 00:30:38and this is my this is my script the
- 00:30:40next thing I do is I just record it so I
- 00:30:42use a tool called screen flow and let me
- 00:30:44just be clear I'm an amateur making
- 00:30:46videos is not my main job so so so this
- 00:30:48is just how I happened to do it um so I
- 00:30:51use a tool called screen flow which is
- 00:30:52just record stuff so I'm not going to
- 00:30:54I'm going to tell it now that I want to
- 00:30:55record um uh there I'm going to record
- 00:30:59my mic um and my why not my my my face
- 00:31:03as well for some of my videos I have my
- 00:31:05face in the corner for some I don't um
- 00:31:07now I'm leaning towards that people like
- 00:31:09seeing a little face in the corner like
- 00:31:10that um it feels more human so I tend to
- 00:31:13do that so microphone and and and the
- 00:31:15camera okay here it
- 00:31:20goes there was once upon a time an AI
- 00:31:23named Kenny he was sad because he was
- 00:31:25alone one day he joined a Dev team they
- 00:31:27loved him and he became happy end of the
- 00:31:29story
- 00:31:32okay and we add it to the
- 00:31:34document and there it
- 00:31:37is let's try it there was once upon a
- 00:31:41time an AI named Kenny he was sad
- 00:31:43because he was alone one day are you
- 00:31:45hearing that the video is a bit out of
- 00:31:47sync but maybe it's because there's so
- 00:31:48much stuff going on on my computer right
- 00:31:50now you know anyway there it is then I I
- 00:31:53start editing it I make it shorter I cut
- 00:31:55out like empty spots like oh there's a
- 00:31:57bit of empty spot there was an um there
- 00:31:59was a burp there was a hiccup there's me
- 00:32:01scratching my nose just go in and I just
- 00:32:03shorten it um just remove stuff make it
- 00:32:06as short as possible um and I listen to
- 00:32:08it and and and I basically do the whole
- 00:32:10thing in one take with small stops
- 00:32:12because if I do too many different takes
- 00:32:14it sounds weird the The Voice gets weird
- 00:32:16but anyway um once I have the voice in
- 00:32:17that becomes the the the skeleton and
- 00:32:21then I draw and drawing is a lot more
- 00:32:22slow so let's H let's do that I use a
- 00:32:24program called Art
- 00:32:25rage um let's start a new new
- 00:32:29document
- 00:32:30that um it's just the first program that
- 00:32:32happened to come across I like it
- 00:32:34because um um it just it's just a it's
- 00:32:36just a pen it's a paintbrush and there's
- 00:32:37a pen here and I use a drawing tablet u
- 00:32:40in this case just a waycom drawing
- 00:32:41tablet you can use any kind of drawing
- 00:32:43tablet really because drawing with a
- 00:32:45mouse is is really a
- 00:32:46pain so uh then I have my script
- 00:32:49typically on on another screen and I
- 00:32:51have this here because I want to know
- 00:32:53what what I was supposed to draw roughly
- 00:32:55so uh I'll do a little draft on my Miro
- 00:32:57I want to draw draw picture of U uh my
- 00:32:59little draft is going to be there's
- 00:33:00going to be a robot here who's sad and
- 00:33:03then there's going to be a team over
- 00:33:04there um and then he joins a team and
- 00:33:06everybody's happy or something like that
- 00:33:07okay cool and once I once I've made an
- 00:33:10ugly draft of that um in fact Let me
- 00:33:12show my original draft for the for the
- 00:33:14video um where is it yeah this is my gen
- 00:33:17Ai and a nutshell draft let's look at it
- 00:33:20there right very simple it's just
- 00:33:23Scrolls but this is where I iterate on
- 00:33:25what's going to go where in the picture
- 00:33:27right cuz I need to have that figured
- 00:33:28out in advance is this going to go over
- 00:33:29here does that fit over here is this
- 00:33:31going to refer to that one so I do a lot
- 00:33:32of iterating on this moving things
- 00:33:33around until I'm happy with it then I
- 00:33:36start recording so let's say I've done
- 00:33:38that I've iterated I know what roughly
- 00:33:39what I'm going to draw and we go back to
- 00:33:41uh screen
- 00:33:42flow and we go I want to record
- 00:33:46again um and this time I don't want to
- 00:33:50record talking I want to record my
- 00:33:54screen so let's see there we go I'll
- 00:33:58take a black pen and I'll say and and
- 00:34:01here I'm thinking about the script I've
- 00:34:02been drawing so there's this AI here
- 00:34:05right who's a bit sad because he's all
- 00:34:06alone um and there's his antenna and
- 00:34:10then one day he decides to join a team
- 00:34:12now it's being very laggy because all
- 00:34:14stuff going on on my computer so that's
- 00:34:15why the lines are even extra ugly like
- 00:34:18that and then I like to add a little bit
- 00:34:20of color so I add a second layer here um
- 00:34:23and just add a bit of color um so let's
- 00:34:27just do a bit of that oh let's bit of
- 00:34:30gray and I'm not in a hurry here I can
- 00:34:32addit this later right um I do a lot of
- 00:34:34retakes when I mess things
- 00:34:36up um I'm trying to make it not too
- 00:34:38pretty because it'll just take forever
- 00:34:39and it's not important for the message
- 00:34:42but let's say here's a team here of
- 00:34:43people and maybe I sometimes use this
- 00:34:46thing to um um a bit of white here just
- 00:34:49to kind of splatter out the color a
- 00:34:51little bit
- 00:34:53um right there's a bit of color and
- 00:34:56maybe a bit of shading Etc you kind of
- 00:34:58get the point so just a little bit not
- 00:35:00not too much decoration I don't want
- 00:35:01this become a masterpiece work ofar it's
- 00:35:02just it's a sketch but something like
- 00:35:04that right and then of course he became
- 00:35:05happy so uh let's erase his sad face um
- 00:35:10and uh
- 00:35:13um there and he's happy and actually
- 00:35:16he's part of this team so I I drew this
- 00:35:18circle wrong so in real life I would
- 00:35:20have stopped now I would have
- 00:35:20re-recorded because the circle is
- 00:35:22supposed to go around all of them right
- 00:35:23but I won't do that now so um stop
- 00:35:26recording
- 00:35:28and add
- 00:35:29it there it is um what the hell oh wait
- 00:35:34that was later yeah cool there so
- 00:35:35there's my drawing and um I would need
- 00:35:37to figure I would take my face here and
- 00:35:40just edit it really so it's okay my face
- 00:35:42needs to be smaller and here's my
- 00:35:44drawing and I'll I'll be speeding up
- 00:35:46speeding it up a lot so there's all
- 00:35:48these shortcut keys out and pull will
- 00:35:50basically just speed it up so I'll just
- 00:35:52go like that I'm speeding up like a
- 00:35:55lot and um um
- 00:35:59there we go and I'll be I'll be cutting
- 00:36:01sections and stuff like that and you
- 00:36:02know zooming in and stuff time and AI um
- 00:36:06oh yeah let me just set the size of this
- 00:36:08to the same there we
- 00:36:10go there was once upon a time an AI
- 00:36:13named Kenny he was sad because he was
- 00:36:15alone one day he joined a Dev team they
- 00:36:17loved him and he became happy end of
- 00:36:19story yeah so that plus two hours of me
- 00:36:23fiddling around with this drawing part
- 00:36:25to make the drawing fit in time with the
- 00:36:28speaking that's
- 00:36:30it it's a pain it takes a long time but
- 00:36:33it but but the results are nice yeah the
- 00:36:36results the results are great there's a
- 00:36:38few people asking about the the tool and
- 00:36:41are you using the tablet right now so
- 00:36:43you're using a is it a Wacom tablet
- 00:36:46you're
- 00:36:47using Wacom and a
- 00:36:50pen there you go i' I've tried using
- 00:36:53various iPad apps but the combination of
- 00:36:55being able to draw and record and edit
- 00:36:58it just iPad just doesn't work I need to
- 00:37:00have a computer with a proper program
- 00:37:01and a proper recording program like
- 00:37:03screen flow so for a while I tried to
- 00:37:05move switch tools I'm like this is this
- 00:37:06is not modern using a drawing tablet and
- 00:37:08computer that's like so 2000 you know
- 00:37:10I'm going to get an iPad and be one of
- 00:37:11the cool kids but no I went back this
- 00:37:14works a lot better so so with the screen
- 00:37:16for you're using that to record both the
- 00:37:19audio and the video but also and also
- 00:37:22edit afterwards so I can go in here and
- 00:37:24I can say that I want to zoom in a
- 00:37:25little bit um in fact I zoom in a lot uh
- 00:37:28I don't want to see all the stuff on the
- 00:37:29sides right so I'll zoom in and just
- 00:37:31show this part and I and I'll be
- 00:37:33scrolling around um in here move around
- 00:37:35the canvas kind of thing yeah and you
- 00:37:38can you can you can record like
- 00:37:40movements I can say that over here it
- 00:37:41should U um let's say action uh and we
- 00:37:45say it should scroll over here right and
- 00:37:48now when I play it it moved right so
- 00:37:51just fiddling around but it it takes
- 00:37:53about um when I'm when I'm at this step
- 00:37:55drawing a recording I'll calculate it to
- 00:37:57my dismay that it took about 2 hours per
- 00:37:59one minute of
- 00:38:01video uh and that the whole video took
- 00:38:03me about 60 hours in total including
- 00:38:05everything um so it people sometimes get
- 00:38:07surprised because they think it looks
- 00:38:08kind of effortless like I'm just
- 00:38:09standing there talking and moving the
- 00:38:10pen but every damn thing is is a mini
- 00:38:13project even like oh I talked about X
- 00:38:16and I want to move the pen to point to
- 00:38:17that while I talk about it okay back to
- 00:38:19screen flow record me moving my pen from
- 00:38:21that part to that part put it back in
- 00:38:22edit it so everything it's a bloody pain
- 00:38:25and I'm sure there's going to be a
- 00:38:26better ways to do this in the future
- 00:38:27future but right now this is this is
- 00:38:28what I
- 00:38:30got I mean like you said though the
- 00:38:33result speaks for itself you know almost
- 00:38:35a million views on that AI video and uh
- 00:38:39and genuinely it it it brings to life
- 00:38:42the explanation I think the fact it's
- 00:38:44interesting to seeing that he did the
- 00:38:45script first You' you've thought about
- 00:38:48the narrative the and the story we had
- 00:38:51um Lee Le fever who was the author of
- 00:38:54The Art of explanation is a guest on the
- 00:38:56visual a while back he produces expl
- 00:39:00explainer videos um in a Sim vein and um
- 00:39:04he does exactly the same thing he starts
- 00:39:06with the script he he calculates how
- 00:39:09many words how long a word will take all
- 00:39:11the things you were describing he pretty
- 00:39:13much does the same things I think I
- 00:39:15think the key thing there is like I
- 00:39:17could improvise this talk I do it quite
- 00:39:18often I do live talks but then it takes
- 00:39:20me an
- 00:39:21hour so so so scripting every word is
- 00:39:24necessary when you want something to be
- 00:39:25really short then you need to think
- 00:39:27about every word you can't improvise it
- 00:39:29anymore
- 00:39:32absolutely okay um so py are there any
- 00:39:35other questions in the in the
- 00:39:39chat good good question sorry you caught
- 00:39:41me off guard there um let me see I I
- 00:39:45would say if folks just put up their
- 00:39:47hands we can do a bit of a Q&A because
- 00:39:49um I'll I'll probably miss some some
- 00:39:52questions so if you want to raise your
- 00:39:53hand so is that Leah who's had hand
- 00:39:58hey yeah um what makes the videos
- 00:40:02viral what what makes the videos viral
- 00:40:05viral I think that's the title of this
- 00:40:09talk I would love to hear your I have no
- 00:40:11idea honestly well I I have ideas but
- 00:40:14I'm sure you too I'm No Authority on
- 00:40:16that really um what what what do you
- 00:40:20think
- 00:40:22um what makes the video viral I I'm
- 00:40:25asking you because it was your title
- 00:40:29um okay you posted these on YouTube um
- 00:40:34yeah look at the number of views would
- 00:40:37that tell us um yeah this
- 00:40:41one this one is my first one what
- 00:40:44surprises me is it's quite old now and
- 00:40:46yet it's still like growing like
- 00:40:50incredibly fast oh wait adop
- 00:40:52nutshell just just just the Google
- 00:40:54ranking right um and then it's it's to I
- 00:40:57made it
- 00:40:582012 and it's up it's up to 4.2 million
- 00:41:01views and it just keeps growing
- 00:41:03spreading and the one I just added this
- 00:41:05one I just added a month ago and it's
- 00:41:06already up up to a million almost or two
- 00:41:08months ago why why do you think it's
- 00:41:11become
- 00:41:13viral is I have I have I I have some
- 00:41:17theories um because every one of these
- 00:41:19animated videos did become viral to to
- 00:41:21different extents and I made a lot of
- 00:41:23other types of things articles and stuff
- 00:41:26that have not become as viral so
- 00:41:28something about this format appeals to
- 00:41:30people so I think it's a combination of
- 00:41:32the fact that I don't make them very
- 00:41:33often when I make them it's a topic I've
- 00:41:35thought about a lot so content-wise I
- 00:41:38think it's quite well thought out and
- 00:41:39it's also content that I've had a had
- 00:41:40time to iterate on like I've been
- 00:41:42teaching people stuff running courses
- 00:41:43doing talks so by the time I make the
- 00:41:45video I already have a clear message and
- 00:41:47a clear way of explaining it so that
- 00:41:49that pre-work I think is is a important
- 00:41:51part of it because I could have the
- 00:41:52exact same format but if but if the
- 00:41:55content isn't that good I don't think
- 00:41:56the format will will help it won't cover
- 00:41:57up for that the second thing I think is
- 00:42:00something about drawing physical because
- 00:42:03I had some other videos where I got lazy
- 00:42:04I just did like PowerPoint slides with
- 00:42:06animations but content wise I would say
- 00:42:08the quality would would be similar but
- 00:42:10in no nowhere near the same level of of
- 00:42:12of popularity so I think there's
- 00:42:14something about seeing a pen and that
- 00:42:16pen is poting to things and it's and
- 00:42:18it's drawing while speaking maybe that
- 00:42:20just appeals to to human nature somehow
- 00:42:22um those are some of my theories no
- 00:42:25that's brilliant thank you
- 00:42:29and Ju Just just for the record folks it
- 00:42:32was um our idea to call the session how
- 00:42:35to make your video go viral not henrix
- 00:42:38so uh just just to put that out there um
- 00:42:40but the fact is yeah as you can see you
- 00:42:42know millions of views so people
- 00:42:44absolutely love those videos and um
- 00:42:47myself you know coming from a agile
- 00:42:49training background first thing I do on
- 00:42:51a product owner course is put that video
- 00:42:53on it's a great way to set the scene and
- 00:42:55and I don't even have to say anything to
- 00:42:57be honest it just I actually kind of do
- 00:42:59the same when I teach atro courses I say
- 00:43:00watch this video first that gets the
- 00:43:02main content out of the way then we can
- 00:43:03just spend the rest of the course
- 00:43:04zooming in on the details so saes time
- 00:43:07yeah so thank you Henrik you made my
- 00:43:09life so much easier I can go for a
- 00:43:10coffee break yeah brilliant um next in
- 00:43:14line I think is Adam Adam would you like
- 00:43:15to come off from you sure yeah thanks so
- 00:43:19much Henrik for coming and speaking to
- 00:43:22us and kind of showcasing that that was
- 00:43:24brilliant and I just want to say that
- 00:43:26when I pivoted into product I was
- 00:43:29frustrated at the lack of uh uh decent
- 00:43:33explanation for what a what the sort of
- 00:43:37operational um process of a product
- 00:43:39manager was and your video was the thing
- 00:43:41that really solidified it and I think
- 00:43:43it's because probably similar to you I
- 00:43:45think in visual metaphor and I and to me
- 00:43:49that's what is so appealing to your
- 00:43:51videos is it's like having a
- 00:43:53conversation a visual conversation with
- 00:43:56someone else like in real time um it's
- 00:43:58not just like a meme but it's sort of
- 00:44:00like an interactive meme if that makes
- 00:44:02sense or resonates but my question to
- 00:44:04you is
- 00:44:06um uh really just you know was there a
- 00:44:09moment in your life where you discovered
- 00:44:11like hey this drawing thing is really
- 00:44:14like it really helps me uh Focus my own
- 00:44:18thoughts and my own thinking was it
- 00:44:20something that you know you learned in
- 00:44:23like a particular experience or was it
- 00:44:25like a work thing or something that you
- 00:44:26learn in school I'm just kind of curious
- 00:44:29like what um like where that came from
- 00:44:31or where that started right yeah like I
- 00:44:34I dug up my old high school notebooks
- 00:44:35just for fun from the attic that like a
- 00:44:37few years ago just stumbled over them by
- 00:44:38accident and I found my notebooks and I
- 00:44:41saw like oh this was apparently a
- 00:44:43notebook from a math lesson and I see
- 00:44:45like a tiny bit of math in the corner
- 00:44:48and the rest is just
- 00:44:49Doodles typically meet drawing
- 00:44:51caricatures of the teacher so I think
- 00:44:54that kind of just became a um a bit of
- 00:44:56an obsession just drawing um but then
- 00:44:58when the connection to work came I guess
- 00:45:00later I did a lot of role playing during
- 00:45:02high school and then I I like to draw
- 00:45:04stuff it it it helped shape the campaign
- 00:45:06and help you know generate a good
- 00:45:08atmosphere when you had a drawing of
- 00:45:09something but but I'm not an artist I I
- 00:45:11don't make these beautiful pictures it's
- 00:45:12quite simple and again the pictures on
- 00:45:14the board are not I'm not this good at
- 00:45:16drawing these are like these are the the
- 00:45:17prettified version I'm really not an
- 00:45:19artist this is more representative of my
- 00:45:21style right simple stick figures but
- 00:45:24when I started getting to work life I
- 00:45:26think I know I gradually notice that
- 00:45:28when I get up in front of a whiteboard
- 00:45:30to visualize what I'm thinking right now
- 00:45:32or visualize what what the what the room
- 00:45:33is talking about I Did It For My Own
- 00:45:35sake but I noticed that others it it
- 00:45:37made the whole room more aligned people
- 00:45:39just seem to get more smarter and more
- 00:45:40engaged when they had something to look
- 00:45:42at so that way it kind of just dawned on
- 00:45:44me that hey this is a useful thing not
- 00:45:46only for me but for everyone else as
- 00:45:51well great
- 00:45:54thanks in fact I I can add to that um I
- 00:45:56found you know what let me quickly dig
- 00:45:58up that picture it's quite funny um I
- 00:46:00found the original article um let's see
- 00:46:04uh p n
- 00:46:06there yeah I found this
- 00:46:09picture this is from a a workshop at
- 00:46:11Spotify that I did I was introducing
- 00:46:13people to what product ownership is um
- 00:46:16and I kept iterating on how to explain
- 00:46:18that in a good way and I finally
- 00:46:19stumbled over a way to visualize it
- 00:46:21using a circle and the PO in the middle
- 00:46:22and then stakeholders over here and
- 00:46:23communication here and I started using
- 00:46:25that and I noticed that people got a lot
- 00:46:27a lot more engaged by that picture and
- 00:46:29then someone in the workshop suggested
- 00:46:30that hey you should share this picture
- 00:46:33and I said but this picture is a mess no
- 00:46:34one can understand it uh but then he
- 00:46:36said why don't you make a video of you
- 00:46:37drawing the picture I'm like oh that's a
- 00:46:40good idea and that's exactly what I did
- 00:46:42so that that's this so this picture
- 00:46:44these pictures are the are the original
- 00:46:45um chicken
- 00:46:47Scrolls that that that that led to um to
- 00:46:50this that's so cool feel like we've
- 00:46:52being able to see behind the curtain a
- 00:46:54little bit
- 00:46:55there but yeah there are some more
- 00:46:58questions yeah yeah I think um I see I
- 00:47:02don't know if it's in the order in which
- 00:47:03they were asked but um I see John next
- 00:47:06and then Gan after John
- 00:47:09yeah John you want to come for you y um
- 00:47:12yeah I was asking what is your drawing
- 00:47:15tool because I want to download it on my
- 00:47:18laptop I had a hard time hearing what
- 00:47:20you said the tool Henrik that you're
- 00:47:22using um could you just uh share that
- 00:47:25again what the app app that so I can
- 00:47:27write it here so um for
- 00:47:29recording um recording and editing
- 00:47:34screen flow and I've tried using other
- 00:47:36tools I keep getting back to screen flow
- 00:47:38I think it's a really good tool and no
- 00:47:40I'm not
- 00:47:42sponsored and for for drawing it's art
- 00:47:44rage and art rage is just a painting
- 00:47:45program it's not it's not made for
- 00:47:47making videos but I use screen flow to
- 00:47:50record when I'm drawing an art raage and
- 00:47:51that's pretty much
- 00:47:55it great thank you oh and here's another
- 00:47:58tip for you John because I only learned
- 00:48:00this before the call when Henrik showed
- 00:48:02me on Art rage it by default has the
- 00:48:06cursor just as a yeah like a cross and I
- 00:48:09was Googling it and I couldn't figure
- 00:48:11out how he gets the pen on there and he
- 00:48:13showed me and it's h is it the number
- 00:48:14three Henrik you have to press there you
- 00:48:17go press three one two three there magic
- 00:48:21and it does add so much more like to it
- 00:48:24when you see the pen rather than the
- 00:48:25little and it changes now I'm using
- 00:48:26brush
- 00:48:28right so yeah I love it even when I
- 00:48:31press the mouse look look at the tip of
- 00:48:32the
- 00:48:35brush do do you use layers or not in I
- 00:48:38used only one layer I one layer for the
- 00:48:40for the the figure and then one layer
- 00:48:43for the background shading and that's it
- 00:48:46ah got it super thank you thank you John
- 00:48:51um Karen would you like to go next Karen
- 00:48:53it's 1: a.m. for you right yeah yeah
- 00:48:56it's going to be two
- 00:48:59now it's a pleasure because I uh Ian the
- 00:49:02interesting part when I came to Malaysia
- 00:49:04my first engagement where the client was
- 00:49:06saying do you know Spotify model and I
- 00:49:08remember you always told uh in your most
- 00:49:11of the time it's a culture of the
- 00:49:12company not so it's it's a it's always
- 00:49:14great uh listening to you en Rick and
- 00:49:17today also it was very nice and we
- 00:49:19picked up a lot of because I think a big
- 00:49:22thing about visualization I think that's
- 00:49:24something which really works out my
- 00:49:26question is about about uh I mean I know
- 00:49:28V agile coaches or we do trainings uh do
- 00:49:32you since you talked about AI are you
- 00:49:34using any AI tools or uh any any of the
- 00:49:38recommendations for of course as you
- 00:49:41said the agents and there will be
- 00:49:43digital agents but is there any other
- 00:49:45tools which you uh which you use to
- 00:49:47enhance the experience during the
- 00:49:49trainings or um not so much yet I use
- 00:49:53the tools when creating materials I
- 00:49:54sometimes use tools for simple things
- 00:49:56like here I needed just images to
- 00:49:57illustrate different technical
- 00:49:58revolutions we've been through or I
- 00:50:00wanted to illustrate you know uh uh just
- 00:50:03show stuff so sometimes I use I use just
- 00:50:05image generation sometimes but I also
- 00:50:06still like to draw and am mods are not
- 00:50:08good at drawing yet but probably in the
- 00:50:11future I expect to be able to say things
- 00:50:12like hey AI here's my drawing style and
- 00:50:16I use like I like using metaphors for
- 00:50:18like this so can you please make up a
- 00:50:19suitable metaphor for XYZ using my
- 00:50:21drawing style and it will give me some
- 00:50:23examples and I'll get really
- 00:50:24lazy um so that's probably what's going
- 00:50:26to happen but I I also use it to iterate
- 00:50:28on content to help me um figure out like
- 00:50:31um what's the right level of of
- 00:50:33explaining stuff uh but what I am
- 00:50:36working on now is creating um various
- 00:50:38forms of chat Bots to support my clients
- 00:50:40so if they have some questions they can
- 00:50:42ask my chatbot first and maybe I can
- 00:50:43help them and if it can't then it'll
- 00:50:45escalate to me and say hey you need to
- 00:50:47talk about you need to talk to real
- 00:50:48Henrik about this
- 00:50:50one because many of the many of the uh
- 00:50:53you know in the world of agile we heard
- 00:50:55about gpts there many of the people who
- 00:50:57are creating gpts yeah do you did that
- 00:51:01did that thought struck to you or are
- 00:51:02you also planning to create one of them
- 00:51:05yeah I experimented a a little bit with
- 00:51:07that um I I made one called a um let's
- 00:51:11see called Fresh Start which I can I'm
- 00:51:14going to pitch it right now I can
- 00:51:15recommend it um it's uh excuse me let me
- 00:51:18just log in here quickly um there we go
- 00:51:23there fresh start I'll add a link to the
- 00:51:26chat I guess um there we go uh this is
- 00:51:30the little bot that's configured to be
- 00:51:31uh in in my video here I talk about um
- 00:51:34how I like to take a walk with AI and
- 00:51:36and just tell it what's on my mind and
- 00:51:39it will interview me and then finally
- 00:51:41give me suggestions and then summarize
- 00:51:42what I just said that's what fresh start
- 00:51:44is do a brain dump it won't it won't
- 00:51:46interrupt you it'll just say okay
- 00:51:47whatever you say and only when you ask
- 00:51:49for advice will they give you advice so
- 00:51:52that's a very simple little GPT that I
- 00:51:54that I made
- 00:51:55but I like to experimenting with this
- 00:51:58technology thank you so much thank you
- 00:52:00very much appreciate
- 00:52:02it and we are up to time but side I know
- 00:52:06you've been waiting patiently so we'll
- 00:52:08let you have the last
- 00:52:10question yeah okay then then a
- 00:52:13philosophical question I was just
- 00:52:14wondering when um like I don't know a
- 00:52:16year ago a year and a half ago when um
- 00:52:19all this AI tools became a thing like
- 00:52:23mid journey and dly you as a visual
- 00:52:25thinker um where you scared out way your
- 00:52:28thoughts when everybody all of a sudden
- 00:52:30could create visuals with just a few
- 00:52:33clicks or without even having the skill
- 00:52:35to to draw something um I I I wasn't
- 00:52:38scared I was inspired I I felt that this
- 00:52:41gave me superpowers um if my job of
- 00:52:44course my job is not making images
- 00:52:46images is is a tool for me um if my job
- 00:52:48was to create and sell images I would be
- 00:52:50more worried but I would also think I
- 00:52:53need to adopt this technology I need to
- 00:52:54I need to embrace it and use it um
- 00:52:56because hiding from it and and trying to
- 00:52:58you know stop it or saying we shouldn't
- 00:53:00do that I think is a dangerous
- 00:53:02proposition it's better to as much as
- 00:53:04possible just Embrace tools it's like
- 00:53:05kind of if you're used to digging holes
- 00:53:07with a shovel and suddenly an excavator
- 00:53:09gets invented learn to drive the
- 00:53:11excavator um that's kind of I think my
- 00:53:15my my thinking around this so learn the
- 00:53:16tools and let them give you
- 00:53:22superpowers awesome um thank you so much
- 00:53:26and apologies folks I know I I think I
- 00:53:28accidentally advertised a session for 90
- 00:53:30minutes but it should have been 60 so
- 00:53:32yeah we we are over time and uh henrik's
- 00:53:35had a really long day himself because he
- 00:53:38literally had been commuting and uh
- 00:53:40jumped straight on this call so I want
- 00:53:42to I want to give him some rest as well
- 00:53:44because I'm actually fine but maybe we
- 00:53:46have a maybe yeah I'm I'm fine either
- 00:53:49way so I think this is an interesting
- 00:53:51topic
- 00:53:52so shall we take one more then because
- 00:53:55yeah yeah yeah oh thank you Leah's come
- 00:53:57back in the queue come
- 00:54:00Onish um Henrik you said that people are
- 00:54:04drawn to the handdrawn
- 00:54:06Doodles um which sort of suggests polish
- 00:54:09stuff not necessarily but it sort of
- 00:54:12suggest it's a bit dry on the dry side I
- 00:54:15just wondered the um Doodles in that
- 00:54:18first square with the smiley faces and
- 00:54:21vehicles is that too polish you know how
- 00:54:25polished what is a doodle and what is
- 00:54:28Polish and what's gonna make people
- 00:54:30switch off
- 00:54:32so I think the fact that like when I
- 00:54:34teach courses I tend to draw on a flip
- 00:54:37chart nowadays instead of using slides
- 00:54:38whenever possible and what I draw on the
- 00:54:40flip chart is stuff that I already have
- 00:54:42on a slide anyway but when I draw it
- 00:54:44people get more engaged and because I'm
- 00:54:45drawing live and I'm not an artist they
- 00:54:47turn out really simple kind of like like
- 00:54:49this um and the fact that that works and
- 00:54:53the fact that this video is still the
- 00:54:54most viral video I ever made
- 00:54:56um indicates to me that everything else
- 00:54:59I've made is overkill I think this is
- 00:55:01overkill it doesn't need to be this
- 00:55:02pretty this is definitely Overkill this
- 00:55:05is overkill I think I could have just as
- 00:55:07well created this video using this
- 00:55:09simpler style and it would have been
- 00:55:11absolutely
- 00:55:13fine thank you thank you that's
- 00:55:19helpful amazing um folks I've had a few
- 00:55:22people ask where will the recording be
- 00:55:24available so um for the regulars it's
- 00:55:27going to be on the community platform
- 00:55:29I've put the link in the chat uh so uh
- 00:55:33if if you're not signed up to that then
- 00:55:36please do and all of our recordings are
- 00:55:38on there so they're freely available for
- 00:55:40everybody to watch back so uh hopefully
- 00:55:42um you you will check it out so uh there
- 00:55:45you go but um Grant do you want to wrap
- 00:55:48up because uh I I'd love to hand it back
- 00:55:50to you to uh to say the last word oh
- 00:55:53well just I mean just to say thanks so
- 00:55:56much Henrik for uh for agreeing to join
- 00:55:59us for giving us an Insight I've been
- 00:56:00wondering for years how he did some of
- 00:56:02those videos so I'm I feel like it just
- 00:56:06been scratched you know I Now understand
- 00:56:08was that surprising or was it kind of
- 00:56:09what you expected I'm just curious like
- 00:56:11what I think um I think I like you were
- 00:56:14saying I I think I didn't appreciate how
- 00:56:17much went into it because at first
- 00:56:20glance it appears like you just casually
- 00:56:23switched on your machine and started
- 00:56:24drawing and talking um and so you've
- 00:56:27shattered that illusion now
- 00:56:30yeah but um but no it was fantastic
- 00:56:33explanation and I think you know we've
- 00:56:36had some really great comments in the
- 00:56:38chat and also for this one Paddy we we
- 00:56:41said we would actually put this video on
- 00:56:43YouTube because of all the questions
- 00:56:44that henrik's been getting about how he
- 00:56:46makes his videos oh that's nice then I
- 00:56:48can link to it that's great said we can
- 00:56:49link to it so yeah we said we do that
- 00:56:52but yeah just just to say thanks um
- 00:56:54Henrik so much for joining us it's
- 00:56:55really really great session thank you
- 00:56:58this was great I love talking about this
- 00:56:59kind of
- 00:57:00stuff oh thank you so much folks should
- 00:57:03we do some jazz hands for Henrik ja
- 00:57:05hands
- 00:57:07everybody and there is a LinkedIn post I
- 00:57:09put in the chat as well if you want to
- 00:57:11continue the conversation feel free to
- 00:57:13to comment on there as well a AI does
- 00:57:15not replace visual thinking I it
- 00:57:18will there you go it's official it's
- 00:57:20official yeah right I'll stop the
- 00:57:22recording
- Henrik Nyberg
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