Waaree Energies Earnings Call for Q2FY25

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摘要

TLDRThe recent earnings conference call, organized by Orient Capital, featured War Energie's leadership discussing the company's Q2 and H1 FY2025 financial results. The management, including CEO Amit Panker, highlighted strong business foundations due to increasing global demand for solar energy, as well as initiatives in hydrogen production and energy storage systems. They detailed current and future manufacturing expansions across India and the United States aimed at boosting capacity, with particular focus on achieving 21 GW of modules and 11 GW of cell capacity in India by FY2027. The company also emphasized its diversification strategy, enhancing its technological capabilities and exploring growth in adjacent sectors, aiming for manufacturing excellence while navigating market dynamics and policy landscapes. Despite decreased export revenue and pricing adjustments, War Energies remains confident in its strategy, supported by robust order books and ongoing investment in renewable technologies.

心得

  • 🔹 Hosted by Orient Capital focusing on War Energies’ results and plans.
  • 📊 Highlights on strong business fundamentals due to solar energy demand.
  • 🌍 Expansion goals for manufacturing capacities in India and the US.
  • 🔋 Diversification into energy storage and hydrogen sectors.
  • 📈 Strong order book underpinning future growth expectations.
  • ⚙️ Emphasis on technology and manufacturing excellence.
  • 🚀 Investment in renewable energy technologies continues.
  • 💼 Leadership team presented detailed strategic insights.
  • 📝 Detailed Q&A session addressing stakeholder queries.
  • 🌱 Commitment to sustainable energy solutions.

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  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The conference call begins with a welcome and introduction of the management team from OFI Energies Limited. Attendees are informed that the call is being recorded and advised to keep the presentation ready as the CEO, Mr. Amit Panker, will refer to it during his remarks. He highlights the completion of their factory in the US, updates on solar module and cell manufacturing capacities in India, and provides a brief company history and achievements.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The presentation shifts focus to their EPC offerings and retail strategy, emphasizing the importance of solar energy due to its low cost and the strategic diversification of supply chains, notably the China plus one strategy adopted by countries like the US and India. The presenters also emphasize the Indian government's ambitious renewable energy targets and how these macroeconomic factors translate into strong demand and a substantial order book for the company.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    The company's strategic response to these market drivers includes a solid order book comprising 20 gigawatts from a diversified customer base. They highlight their robust manufacturing footprint in India and the US. New opportunities like hydrogen and battery energy storage systems are identified as crucial segments for future growth.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Continuing with manufacturing capacity, the presentation outlines existing and upcoming facilities in both India and the US, including a new plant in a Republican state of Texas. This expansion is seen as a response to growing global demand for solar power, buoyed by its position as the lowest cost energy source.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    As they move beyond solar, OFI Energies focuses on broader energy transition themes, such as green hydrogen and battery storage systems, reflecting a company strategy aimed at long-term growth and diversification. The CFO then discusses the financial results of the company, noting an increase in both revenue and earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) compared to previous periods, despite challenges.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    The Q&A session kicks off with a discussion on whether solar modules are commodities, emphasizing the technological advancements and quality assurances that differentiate their products. The conversation also covers the impact of tariffs on industry profitability, where the CEO affirms that their business model is designed to withstand changes in tariff structures.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The focus shifts to updates on their 5.4 GW solar cell and 6 GW integrated facility projects and investment strategies around renewable infrastructure. The discussion reveals strategic moves, such as design advancements and land acquisitions, aimed at supporting expansion and maintaining a competitive edge.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Participants inquire about financial specifics, manufacturing capacities, and expected returns on investments. The CEO discusses supply chain strategies, reiterating their ability to meet demand through domestic and international operations, and assuring stakeholders of a continuously improving capacity utilization rate over time.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    The Q&A continues with insights into exports vs. domestic sales and the impact of changing international trade dynamics. The CEO reassures the continuation of aggressive strategies in markets like the US, despite prospective policy changes, and affirms that their operations are structured to maximize profitability.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    Further questions delve into the robustness of their order book, especially in light of geopolitical uncertainties. The management confidently addresses concerns by highlighting secured advances and longstanding customer relationships that underpin their business outlook.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:57:37

    The session concludes by outlining future strategic directions, including new business ventures in battery storage and hydrogen, along with ongoing assessments of potential growth opportunities. The call ends with a general assurance of continued focus on expanding their renewable energy footprint and financial strength.

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视频问答

  • Who hosted the earnings call?

    The earnings call was hosted by Orient Capital.

  • What was the main focus of the call?

    The call focused on the quarterly results of War Energies Limited and their strategic plans in renewable energy.

  • Who from the management team participated in this call?

    Participants included CEO Amit Panker, CFO Sola Shasa, Group Financial Controller Abhishek Parik, and GM of Investor Relations Rohit W.

  • What specific strategic areas were discussed?

    Strategic areas discussed included solar power expansion, hydrogen initiatives, and battery energy storage systems.

  • What is the company's capacity goal by the end of FY27?

    The goal is to have 21 GW of module capacity and 11 GW of cell capacity in India, with additional capacities planned for the US.

  • Did the company discuss expansions outside India?

    Yes, they discussed plans for expanding manufacturing capacity in the United States.

  • What is the company's strategy for maintaining growth?

    The strategy includes expanding manufacturing capabilities, entering new markets like hydrogen and battery storage, and leveraging strong demand drivers.

  • Were any financial figures shared during the call?

    Yes, the company reported revenue growth and higher EBITDA but specifics were not detailed in this summary.

  • What challenges are the company observing?

    Challenges include changing energy policies, pricing pressures, and the need to scale manufacturing efficiently.

  • Was there a Q&A session included in the call?

    Yes, participants were invited to ask questions after the presentation.

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    25 earnings conference call organized by
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    Orient Capital as a reminder all par
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    participant lines will be in the listen
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    only mode and there will be an
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    opportunity for you to ask questions
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    after the presentation concludes should
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    conference call please signal an
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    operator by pressing star Ben zero on
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    your Touchstone phone please note that
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    this conference is being
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    recorded I now hand the conference over
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    to miss Puja Swami from Orient capital
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    thank you and over to you ma'am thank
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    you Michelle good afternoon everybody
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    and welcome to the Q2 and H1 fy2 earning
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    call ofi energies limited from the
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    management today we have with us Mr Amit
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    panker chief executive officer Miss Sola
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    shasa Chief Financial Officer Mr
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    Abhishek parik group Financial
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    controller and Mr Rohit W GM investor
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    relations before we proceed with call I
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    would like to give a small disclaimer
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    that this conference call may contain a
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    certain forward-looking statements which
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    are based on beliefs opinions and
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    expectations of company as of date a
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    detailed disclaimer has also been given
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    on the company's investor presentation
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    which has been uploaded on the stock
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    exchange I hope everyone had a chance to
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    go through the results we also request
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    you to keep the presentation handy for
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    the call now I would like to hand over
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    the call to Mr Amit pener for his
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    opening remarks over to you sir thank
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    you very much uh Miss Swami a very very
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    good afternoon to everybody who is
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    listening in and a warm welcome uh
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    thanks a lot for giving us your time we
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    are going to talk about quarterly
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    results for war energies
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    limited uh as we said uh if you can keep
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    the presentation that was uploaded
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    yesterday handy it help because I I'm
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    going to take you through the
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    presentation so if you look at the cover
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    slide it shows three pictures the first
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    picture on your left is actually of our
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    Factory in United States it's almost
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    nearing completion we should be having a
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    beginning of commercial production very
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    soon the middle picture is the picture
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    of our Factory in chickle in Gujarat not
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    too far from Mumbai where we are
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    sitting there we have one of the largest
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    concentration of solar uh PV module
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    manufacturing and very importantly the
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    two buildings that you will see at the
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    back of the picture an actually 5.4 gaw
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    cell manufacturing capacity uh that we
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    have and it's going online even as we
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    speak here and the last picture is
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    representative of the almost 370 Plus
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    stores uh that our franchises and our
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    Channel partners that set up all across
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    the country let's move to the Chart four
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    which gives a a background of War of our
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    history which we are rightly very proud
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    of what started off as an
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    instrumentation company mofed itself
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    into a Solar Company by 2007 it has a
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    good two years experience in the Solar
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    industry we have you know I I'm going to
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    go and fast forward to 2021 to
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    2024 we have uh 6 gwatt of pli that we
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    have won uh sometime back and uh and and
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    that will be operational I would say by
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    2027 the 5.4 gwatt cell that I talked
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    about just some time back is actually
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    also in advanced stages and we start
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    commercial uh production fairly soon
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    let's move to the chart five or Slide
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    Five where uh we talk about the energy
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    transition Journey that we are embarking
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    ourselves
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    upon on the solar side if you see on the
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    left hand side of the slide here you can
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    see a wide range of
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    offering there are of course the
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    normal rectangular sort of black looking
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    modules which you will see all around
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    our country as you drive through the
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    countryside um that is of course a
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    staple offering but we have got bipv or
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    building integrated photov voltex uh we
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    also have flexible panels where the
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    Contours of building don't really lend
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    themselves uh to rectangular design and
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    when there are constraints of weight we
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    also have
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    offerings from a technology perspective
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    that are Advanced topcor and ajt
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    also our EPC offerings uh are replete uh
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    where we do engineering procurement and
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    Contracting uh for rooftop solar
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    floating solar and several other types
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    of renewable projects on the retail side
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    an extremely important Focus for us
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    especially given strong impetus by prime
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    minister's suar M B Yoga it's an
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    extremely important push for us as
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    well we are also
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    foring uh into
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    hydrogen uh our electrolyzer
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    manufacturing plants uh will be revealed
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    also fairly soon moving to the slide
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    six this is an important slide this is
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    what keeps us excited this is what we
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    would love to talk to you about this is
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    what keeps us awake this is what keeps
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    us energized as we go into our offices
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    and into our
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    factories the first and foremost on this
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    slide is macros and demand
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    drivers this industry actually has a lot
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    of Tailwinds and the reason for that is
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    very simple and
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    straightforward solar energy is the
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    lowest cost energy globally anywhere in
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    the world at this point in time you can
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    compare it with coal you can compare it
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    with oil you can compare it with gas you
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    can compare it with nuclear you can
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    compare it with any other form of energy
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    it is the cheapest source of energy
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    available to the mankind at this point
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    in time the other extremely important
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    demand driver is diversification of
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    supply chain concentration of Supply
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    chains in one given country
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    has a huge number of demerits and is
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    clearly seen as Problems by many
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    countries United States and India in
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    particular have a strong China plus one
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    strategy which benefits us in India we
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    know that government has a strong 500
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    gaw Target of renewable energy by 2030
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    that translates to almost 60 to 70 gaws
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    of solar power every year and this does
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    not include areas like data center EV
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    charging and even hydrogen boom that is
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    expected so all of that taken together
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    in fact 500 gaws is actually a
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    conservative number we will actually be
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    looking at an even larger number again
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    very very strong demand drivers that we
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    are looking at uh that translates to a
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    solid healthy order book for us we stand
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    at 20 gaw a diversified mix of
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    customers we have exports we have launch
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    customers we have cni customers we have
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    retail customers so good Diversified
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    portfolio of 20
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    gaws and to ensure that we deliver on
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    the strong order book we are building on
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    robust execution skills uh which and and
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    ultimately we would
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    want to move towards what we call as
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    manufacturing
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    Excellence on the manufacturing
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    Excellence I would just want to draw
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    your attention on H1 production we have
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    produced 3.3 gwatt in the first half of
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    this year as opposed to 4.8 GW for the
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    entire Financial year last year so that
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    just shows you the volume growth that we
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    have and then how do we energize growth
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    there are other extremely important
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    elements of energy transition which
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    include hydrogen hydrogen policies
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    across the country for various states
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    are very strong and we also have a very
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    strong central policy that's the reason
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    why we are making fora into
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    hydrogen the other aspect of energy
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    transition which is extremely important
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    is battery energy storage systems the
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    likely driver for the same is 70 gaw
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    hour requirement of battery energy
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    storage system in India by the year
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    2030 so net net we have very very strong
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    fundamentals which are translating into
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    a strong order book what is now needed
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    is we need to propel ourselves and
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    execute for
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    group which then brings me to the slide
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    number seven another extremely important
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    chart where we will start taking a
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    deeper dive into the market
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    dynamics we we talked about the fact
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    right
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    now that at this point in time the
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    Dynamics look good but how does it look
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    in the future if you look towards the
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    chart on your left hand side top of the
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    screen it shows the amount of decline in
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    the prices that have happened on the
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    solar as well as battery side in cents
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    per Watt peak we are hovering somewhere
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    around 15 to 17 cents per Watt peak and
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    in batteries it's almost $70 odd dollars
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    per kilowatt hours in the last eight
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    decades we have seen a lot of last eight
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    years we have seen 80% decline a
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    combination of these two solar and
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    batteries is actually going to be one of
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    the best solutions for firm and
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    dispatchable renewable energy globally
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    we are extremely uh seeing an extremely
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    impressive growth solar capacity is
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    going to reach 7.2 terawatts by 2030 and
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    the job creation in this sector is
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    highest among the entire uh elements
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    other elements of energy
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    sectors India has taken some very strong
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    steps for atal bat we already know that
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    there is basic customs duty on modules
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    which is a tariff barrier and almm or
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    approved list of models and
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    manufacturers which is a non-tariff
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    barrier right now almm is applicable to
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    modules but soon by 2026 it will be
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    applicable for sales as well the PM suar
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    m b Roa is going to add almost 30 gaw of
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    requirement in the Solar sector and the
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    PM kusum scheme which benefits the
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    agricultural sector is also going to add
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    another 35
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    gws solar ladies and gentlemen therefore
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    is a multi-decadal growth
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    story and we have just started the
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    journey I would like to emphasize that
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    this is a multi-decadal growth
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    story on slide eight
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    let's look at our order book how does it
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    look like I've already said it is 20 gaw
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    strong it's a global customer base the
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    two most important markets for us are
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    India and United States as of September
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    2024 we were 27.5% of domestic and 72.5%
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    of overseas which also points out at a
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    strong healthy order book a profitable
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    book as we move out into the future
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    Channel Partners or
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    franchises is a way in which we will
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    cover the length and breadth of our vast
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    country from a retail
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    perspective the retail Outlook is strong
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    we are at almost
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    23% uh of retail for the overall
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    business at this point in time and it
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    has got a massive potential to grow out
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    into the
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    future on the mix of customer there are
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    the three top customer segments
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    utilities commercials industrial and CC
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    can be clustered as what we call as cam
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    or k
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    accounts and then export forms a fairly
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    large part of our
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    mix so opportunities are there they are
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    growing and they are all across the
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    world and we are chasing them and we
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    will continue to chase them so how do we
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    cater to this large opportunity base
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    that we have we have to ensure that we
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    have a very robust manufacturing
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    footprint and that brings me to the
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    slide number
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    nine if you go to the slide number nine
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    it shows we have 12 gaw of capacity
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    presently that is distributed across uh
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    uh India the 12 gaws is is in the Mumbai
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    Surat belt in pum nandigram chii and
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    Surat chii being the biggest for us Indo
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    solar which is in groa is one .3 gaw of
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    capacity it started its operations in
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    July this year and is ramping up very
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    very nicely as we speak in the United
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    States we have 1.6 gwatt of model
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    manufacturing facility but 1.6 uh which
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    is coming up of course it's not online
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    on stream right now it's uh uh it's in
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    uh in a in a town uh close to Houston in
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    United States in
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    Texas we are going to be inaugurating it
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    sometime in February we should be
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    starting the commercial operations I
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    would say fairly soon here by the end of
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    January we have a 5.4 gaw of cell
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    capacity in chii that is coming up again
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    as we speak a six gaws of integrated
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    facility in odisha is also planned it's
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    actually in Fairly Advanced stages of
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    planning we already have 595 acres of
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    land alloted allotted to us another 400
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    acres is being allotted very soon uh
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    from design perspective we are in
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    advanced stages the primary contracts
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    related to design are already awarded
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    and the long lead items are being
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    negotiated as we speak solar
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    cells um you know this the 5.4 gaws as
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    we talked about we are actually
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    commissioning the cell facility at this
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    at this point in time dry of the cells
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    has
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    begun uh we should be having commercial
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    operations commencing I would say middle
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    of
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    December for the us we have future
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    capacity in mind 3.4 gaw of additional
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    module capacity and potentially 5 gaw of
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    cell capacity all of this is under
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    evaluation we are constantly observing
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    and monitoring the situation in United
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    States extremely bullish about United
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    States extremely positive about the
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    market in United States irrespective of
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    the
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    dispensation one fact will always remain
  • 00:15:30
    and that is the primary demand driver of
  • 00:15:33
    lowcost energy and solar power as we
  • 00:15:36
    have established is the lowest cost
  • 00:15:39
    power available to mankind at this point
  • 00:15:41
    in
  • 00:15:42
    time we believe that is going to propel
  • 00:15:45
    growth in United States and therefore we
  • 00:15:47
    remain committed to United
  • 00:15:50
    States on the right hand side uh of the
  • 00:15:54
    uh of the slide there bottom uh we it
  • 00:15:57
    just shows the way which our module
  • 00:16:00
    capacity and the cell capacities are
  • 00:16:01
    going to build this uh chart here is
  • 00:16:05
    primarily for India you need to add the
  • 00:16:08
    United States capacities which are uh
  • 00:16:10
    shown on the left hand side to have a
  • 00:16:12
    complete understanding of where we we be
  • 00:16:15
    uh in uh 25 as we end the year we will
  • 00:16:18
    be having 13.3 gaws in India 1.6 uh in
  • 00:16:23
    the US so that would make it a total of
  • 00:16:25
    15 gaws by the end of uh this financial
  • 00:16:28
    year and by the end of financial year 27
  • 00:16:31
    in India we will be having 21 gwatt of
  • 00:16:34
    module capacity and 11 gaws of cell
  • 00:16:36
    capacity and then of course you can add
  • 00:16:38
    to that um the the module capacity and
  • 00:16:41
    the cell capacity that will potentially
  • 00:16:43
    get added in the United States going to
  • 00:16:46
    slide 10 uh we are not going to stop at
  • 00:16:51
    solar why is
  • 00:16:53
    ambition is to move towards a broader
  • 00:16:57
    energy transition theme
  • 00:16:59
    and that's the reason why we are foring
  • 00:17:01
    into green hydrogen and battery energy
  • 00:17:03
    storage systems our electrolyzer
  • 00:17:06
    manufacturing plan is in advanced stages
  • 00:17:08
    and we should be in a position to
  • 00:17:10
    communicate the same to you in the next
  • 00:17:12
    two months time we are getting into
  • 00:17:14
    Renewable Power infrastructure our board
  • 00:17:17
    has just sanctioned 600 crores of
  • 00:17:19
    investment for this particular fora
  • 00:17:21
    which we are going to use for
  • 00:17:23
    connectivity and
  • 00:17:26
    forbidding the broader energy transition
  • 00:17:29
    and other important elements of energy
  • 00:17:33
    transition are something that we're
  • 00:17:35
    going to drive towards um
  • 00:17:38
    solar is where got us here and it is
  • 00:17:42
    these other broader energy transition
  • 00:17:44
    themes which will drive the present and
  • 00:17:48
    the future growth for this organization
  • 00:17:50
    not to mention solar itself is a big
  • 00:17:53
    growth driver with that ladies and
  • 00:17:55
    gentlemen uh thank you for a patient
  • 00:17:57
    listening I'm now going to hand it over
  • 00:17:59
    to Sono our Chief Financial Officer for
  • 00:18:03
    financials thank you Amit and good
  • 00:18:06
    afternoon to all and welcome to the
  • 00:18:08
    earnings call uh moving on to the
  • 00:18:10
    financial performance of the company on
  • 00:18:13
    Consolidated basis we have reported a
  • 00:18:16
    revenue of
  • 00:18:18
    36,6 34.6 3 million in the quarter and
  • 00:18:22
    increase of about
  • 00:18:25
    2.95% year on year for Abida in Q2 fi25
  • 00:18:30
    the number is
  • 00:18:33
    61393 s million and increase of about
  • 00:18:37
    14% year on year with an Abida margin of
  • 00:18:55
    16.76% year on-year basis
  • 00:18:59
    talking about our H2 performance sorry
  • 00:19:03
    H1
  • 00:19:04
    performance we have reported revenues of
  • 00:19:08
    rupees
  • 00:19:11
    71,543 million in bh1 an increase of
  • 00:19:16
    about
  • 00:19:17
    2.67 year on-year basis aidda in H1 is
  • 00:19:23
    close to 12,
  • 00:19:25
    53926 million and increase of about
  • 00:19:28
    about
  • 00:19:29
    14.74% over previous year with a abda
  • 00:19:33
    margin of
  • 00:19:41
    17.51%
  • 00:19:43
    million a growth of about
  • 00:19:47
    17.90% year on-year
  • 00:19:50
    basis with that maybe we can take some
  • 00:19:53
    questions thank you very much ma'am we
  • 00:19:56
    will now begin with the question and
  • 00:19:58
    answer session
  • 00:19:59
    anyone who wishes to ask questions may
  • 00:20:01
    press star and one on the Touchstone
  • 00:20:03
    phone if you wish to withdraw yourself
  • 00:20:05
    from the question Q you may press star
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    and two participants are requested to
  • 00:20:09
    use only handsets while asking our
  • 00:20:12
    question we request all the participants
  • 00:20:15
    to limit your questions to two per
  • 00:20:16
    participant should you have a followup
  • 00:20:18
    question please rejoin the queue ladies
  • 00:20:20
    and gentlemen we will wait for a moment
  • 00:20:22
    while the question you
  • 00:20:26
    assemble the first question is from the
  • 00:20:29
    line of Varon G from value Quest please
  • 00:20:32
    go
  • 00:20:33
    ahead yes uh good afternoon everybody
  • 00:20:36
    then the first one thank you Amit G for
  • 00:20:39
    such a articulate and uh very well laid
  • 00:20:43
    out scenario for us uh welcome to the
  • 00:20:47
    maiden conall uh really congratul toes B
  • 00:20:51
    and the entire V team for reaching so
  • 00:20:53
    far I think Bari has always made the all
  • 00:20:57
    stakeholders proud uh I have two basic
  • 00:21:00
    questions one there is a common
  • 00:21:02
    misconception that uh modules are a
  • 00:21:06
    commodity uh so I thought this would be
  • 00:21:10
    good to understand what is the value
  • 00:21:12
    addition that we do uh how technical is
  • 00:21:15
    the product given we Supply to uh some
  • 00:21:19
    Global
  • 00:21:20
    utilities uh how do customers look at
  • 00:21:23
    our product versus uh somebody uh who is
  • 00:21:26
    probably new in the business or there
  • 00:21:29
    are so many new
  • 00:21:30
    entrance uh so I I was trying to
  • 00:21:34
    understand is this really a commodity or
  • 00:21:35
    is it you know something that only few
  • 00:21:38
    of us can
  • 00:21:39
    manufacture and second is uh there is
  • 00:21:42
    again a perception that uh the industry
  • 00:21:45
    is uh only driven by uh profits that are
  • 00:21:50
    protected through tariffs and here again
  • 00:21:53
    I would love your clarification on uh
  • 00:21:57
    one the need for
  • 00:21:59
    or how do we see this playing out and
  • 00:22:02
    you
  • 00:22:03
    know
  • 00:22:06
    industry on capital is not just maybe
  • 00:22:09
    based on tariffs and there are several
  • 00:22:11
    other adjacent
  • 00:22:13
    opportunities already mentioned thank
  • 00:22:15
    you so much and I'll come back in the
  • 00:22:17
    queue for more
  • 00:22:19
    questions Great War thank you very much
  • 00:22:22
    extremely uh good question on commodity
  • 00:22:27
    and should we call module as a commodity
  • 00:22:29
    my answer to that is a resounding no it
  • 00:22:33
    is not a commodity um two extremely
  • 00:22:37
    important factors we need to remember um
  • 00:22:40
    when we talk about solar modules the
  • 00:22:42
    technology involved in
  • 00:22:45
    manufacturing is extremely
  • 00:22:48
    evolved uh the cell you know which is
  • 00:22:52
    one of the most important and uh and I
  • 00:22:54
    would say difficult to manufacture from
  • 00:22:57
    a technology persective is where um lot
  • 00:23:01
    of the efficiency drivers lie right and
  • 00:23:05
    that cell technology has been evolving
  • 00:23:07
    in the cycle of every three years you
  • 00:23:10
    know so monopo to topc um you know we
  • 00:23:13
    could be staring at hjt and then tandem
  • 00:23:16
    self which will just take the efficiency
  • 00:23:18
    to a next orbit so every three years you
  • 00:23:21
    will see a new Evolution and any module
  • 00:23:26
    manufacturer who wants to
  • 00:23:29
    be relevant into the future will need to
  • 00:23:33
    in their plan have a full technology
  • 00:23:36
    road map in them in fact we at wari we
  • 00:23:40
    actually depreciate all of our
  • 00:23:41
    manufacturing equipment in three years
  • 00:23:44
    time to accommodate for all these large
  • 00:23:47
    technology waves that keep happening and
  • 00:23:49
    that's why you have to keep yourself
  • 00:23:50
    fresh and so technology is an extremely
  • 00:23:53
    important reason why modules are not a
  • 00:23:56
    commodity the second Reon
  • 00:23:59
    reason um that we should and and whilst
  • 00:24:02
    on whilst on technology I would also
  • 00:24:05
    like to uh emphasize that with
  • 00:24:07
    technology comes quality and
  • 00:24:09
    certification and to be uh you know
  • 00:24:13
    accepted in India and also in markets
  • 00:24:17
    like United States you need specific
  • 00:24:19
    certification which comes with years of
  • 00:24:22
    experience which comes with quality
  • 00:24:23
    which is demonstrated and uh uh and and
  • 00:24:27
    not just demonstrated once demonstrated
  • 00:24:29
    over a period of time that will Define
  • 00:24:31
    the bankability of your solar panel on
  • 00:24:35
    the tariffs it's uh it's extremely
  • 00:24:38
    important to note that everything that
  • 00:24:41
    we uh everything that we uh do from a
  • 00:24:45
    business and a model perspective uh is
  • 00:24:48
    agnostic to tariffs so all of our
  • 00:24:49
    business plans are built to stand on
  • 00:24:52
    their own so even if the tariffs
  • 00:24:55
    tomorrow are removed they should stand
  • 00:24:57
    on their own feet
  • 00:24:59
    whether it's in India or whether it's in
  • 00:25:00
    United States uh of course what happens
  • 00:25:04
    is when you have tariff and non-tariff
  • 00:25:05
    barriers it creates an ecosystem of
  • 00:25:08
    growth and creates ATA from an India
  • 00:25:12
    perspective and I think from that uh
  • 00:25:14
    sense it is extremely important and it
  • 00:25:16
    incubates uh the whole um you know the
  • 00:25:19
    whole uh industry I would say you know
  • 00:25:22
    going back to the commodity and moduls I
  • 00:25:26
    I would like to add one more point where
  • 00:25:28
    where um there are other types of
  • 00:25:31
    modules you know solar modules I talked
  • 00:25:33
    about it it's building integrated photo
  • 00:25:35
    voltex is you know flexible panels all
  • 00:25:38
    of these require a technology at a
  • 00:25:40
    totally different level and these are
  • 00:25:43
    just beginning I would say so thank you
  • 00:25:47
    very much for the
  • 00:25:48
    question thank you so
  • 00:25:52
    much thank you the next question is from
  • 00:25:55
    the line of honna from nura please go
  • 00:25:59
    ahead hi sir uh thank you for taking my
  • 00:26:01
    questions and congrats on the great set
  • 00:26:03
    of numbers uh sir first if you could uh
  • 00:26:06
    share some updates on the progress on
  • 00:26:08
    both the 5.4 GW cell facility and the 6
  • 00:26:10
    gaw integrated facility uh you
  • 00:26:13
    definitely mentioned December could we
  • 00:26:14
    get some updates on the six EAB facility
  • 00:26:17
    are you on track from maintaining those
  • 00:26:18
    Tims and uh related to this how much is
  • 00:26:21
    the total spend for both of these plants
  • 00:26:23
    now uh secondly uh you'll mention that
  • 00:26:26
    you are investing about 600 Ro or are in
  • 00:26:29
    front bidding uh can you help us
  • 00:26:32
    understand what's the long-term strategy
  • 00:26:33
    for the company over here and let's say
  • 00:26:36
    more on a medium-term basis what is the
  • 00:26:38
    targeted capacity that you want to hit
  • 00:26:41
    for um re infra or let's say bidding Ty
  • 00:26:44
    things uh also what would be the typical
  • 00:26:47
    kex needed for this in the coming years
  • 00:26:50
    uh I would assume that you know given
  • 00:26:51
    that we are a large module manufacturing
  • 00:26:53
    capacity we have significant advantages
  • 00:26:56
    versus other players who are the hearing
  • 00:26:58
    these modules from outside could you
  • 00:27:00
    help us understand this piece of the
  • 00:27:01
    business a bit better I'll come back in
  • 00:27:03
    the que for further questions thank
  • 00:27:06
    you great um hon thank you very much for
  • 00:27:10
    the questions um I did talk briefly
  • 00:27:12
    about the 5.4 gwatt sale facility that
  • 00:27:15
    is coming up in chii there's good news
  • 00:27:17
    there as we speak um you know the pilot
  • 00:27:21
    runs for Sals is already up um um you
  • 00:27:26
    know parts and pieces of the equipment
  • 00:27:28
    are being tested uh we I I would believe
  • 00:27:32
    that we should be in a position to
  • 00:27:34
    declare uh commercial operations to be
  • 00:27:37
    up and running somewhere in the second
  • 00:27:39
    half of December uh that's for five 5.4
  • 00:27:43
    gwatt cell plant uh for the six gws of
  • 00:27:47
    uh inps and rers
  • 00:27:49
    Manufacturing um I would
  • 00:27:52
    say again I talked about it in the
  • 00:27:55
    presentation uh number one are
  • 00:28:00
    uh uh
  • 00:28:01
    design contracts have already been given
  • 00:28:04
    they have already been awarded so and
  • 00:28:06
    then the design is in it in its Advanced
  • 00:28:09
    stages uh on ground on the land cutting
  • 00:28:12
    and filling of the land is going on as
  • 00:28:13
    we speak the boundary walls have already
  • 00:28:15
    come up uh and so things are moving
  • 00:28:18
    fairly fast there are some long lead
  • 00:28:20
    items which need to be ordered now and
  • 00:28:24
    those are being negotiated also so it's
  • 00:28:26
    moving in the right direction uh I would
  • 00:28:28
    say we will start commercial operations
  • 00:28:31
    somewhere uh in the FY 27 time frame uh
  • 00:28:35
    for the 6 GA facility as far as the um
  • 00:28:39
    uh 600 CR uh investment is concerned uh
  • 00:28:43
    it is essentially for land and for
  • 00:28:46
    connectivity um we are looking at how do
  • 00:28:50
    we provide OneStop solution for our
  • 00:28:53
    customers uh from the perspective of uh
  • 00:28:57
    uh maybe
  • 00:28:58
    APC contracts um maybe um overall
  • 00:29:03
    offerings for Renewable Power projects
  • 00:29:05
    so this is uh therefore an initial trch
  • 00:29:09
    that we are given uh as this business uh
  • 00:29:13
    starts getting more and more fructified
  • 00:29:15
    we will be in a position to come and
  • 00:29:16
    tell you about the
  • 00:29:19
    details got it sir and thanks for that
  • 00:29:22
    just to get a sense on what is the
  • 00:29:23
    overall spend for the 5.4 and six reward
  • 00:29:26
    facility as of now
  • 00:29:30
    yeah um so basically for the cell
  • 00:29:33
    facility uh We've almost completed our
  • 00:29:36
    CAPIC which is about 2,400 and you know
  • 00:29:40
    thereabouts and for the new CAPIC which
  • 00:29:43
    is ongoing initial spends have been made
  • 00:29:46
    for about 300 crores important thanks so
  • 00:29:50
    much I'll come back in the for
  • 00:29:52
    f thank you we'll take the next question
  • 00:29:56
    from the line of pratique Kumar from
  • 00:29:57
    jeffre freeze please go
  • 00:30:01
    ahead hello yeah good morning uh good
  • 00:30:04
    morning sir my first question is on uh
  • 00:30:06
    the cell capacity again so you said
  • 00:30:09
    December onwards you start expected to
  • 00:30:12
    start commissioning of the project uh uh
  • 00:30:15
    so I remember you talking about 1.4
  • 00:30:18
    gwatt commissioning initially then
  • 00:30:20
    remaining 4 gaw to was to Commission in
  • 00:30:22
    March so now everything is accelerated
  • 00:30:24
    to to December in terms of commissioning
  • 00:30:27
    and related question is is there like
  • 00:30:29
    specific testing like if you want to
  • 00:30:31
    sell uh these sales in US is there any
  • 00:30:35
    specific timelines for testing which the
  • 00:30:39
    buyer may want to uh to to do and then
  • 00:30:42
    only he will end up buying the product
  • 00:30:44
    or there's no real uh timeline you can
  • 00:30:47
    immediately start selling the product is
  • 00:30:49
    the first
  • 00:30:50
    question uh great pratique thank you
  • 00:30:52
    very much for the question uh you
  • 00:30:54
    remember it correctly 1.4 gaws is what
  • 00:30:57
    we trying to switch on first uh which is
  • 00:31:01
    uh what I would say we'll get into
  • 00:31:03
    commercial production somewhere in
  • 00:31:04
    December our goal continues to be that
  • 00:31:09
    by March of 2025 we will have the entire
  • 00:31:11
    5.4 gws so 1.4 gaw of monopar and 4 gaw
  • 00:31:16
    of topcor cell capacity should be uh up
  • 00:31:20
    and running uh and in various stages of
  • 00:31:23
    maturation so the the first few lines
  • 00:31:26
    which will be switched on uh in anytime
  • 00:31:28
    now would have stabilized by then and uh
  • 00:31:32
    maybe the later lines will need to
  • 00:31:34
    stabilize uh on the question of what
  • 00:31:37
    kind of testing is required um you know
  • 00:31:40
    there are specified standards and all
  • 00:31:42
    the specified uh uh uh tests as per the
  • 00:31:45
    standard we already have the capability
  • 00:31:48
    with us so all the customer inspections
  • 00:31:50
    all the customer related requirements we
  • 00:31:53
    will be in a position to fulfill them
  • 00:31:55
    within our Factory itself uh for for its
  • 00:31:58
    quality for its efficiency and so on and
  • 00:32:00
    so forth and uh and that way we'll be
  • 00:32:04
    able to use our own cell in our old
  • 00:32:06
    modules within India as well as in the
  • 00:32:08
    United
  • 00:32:12
    States uh yeah so my question was uh
  • 00:32:15
    like would that be available for sale I
  • 00:32:17
    mean what is the kind of ramp up you are
  • 00:32:19
    expecting in f26 let's say for the S
  • 00:32:22
    manufacturing so for uh so for this
  • 00:32:25
    fiscal I would say we would be in the
  • 00:32:28
    region of around uh um around 100
  • 00:32:31
    megawatts uh being conservative that
  • 00:32:33
    will be U the uh the kind of directional
  • 00:32:36
    number that you would be looking at by
  • 00:32:38
    of course next financial year uh I would
  • 00:32:41
    say in the first couple of months we
  • 00:32:43
    would have a reasonably fully ramped up
  • 00:32:45
    facility and so one could expect for the
  • 00:32:48
    first year of operation anywhere between
  • 00:32:50
    60% or uh of of capacity utilization
  • 00:32:56
    fact okay
  • 00:32:58
    uh my second question is on uh your
  • 00:33:00
    Abida growth X other income which is
  • 00:33:02
    like sort of bit slower side in this
  • 00:33:05
    quarter and revenues also so is this
  • 00:33:07
    material change in US mix which has
  • 00:33:09
    happened which was like probably higher
  • 00:33:11
    profitable and which has impacted the
  • 00:33:13
    beta growth this
  • 00:33:14
    quarter yes so you're absolutely right I
  • 00:33:17
    mean uh last year are in the mix the
  • 00:33:21
    exports were much larger than uh
  • 00:33:24
    domestic production and that has almost
  • 00:33:26
    completely flipped in this uh in this
  • 00:33:28
    year uh and of course um the pricing and
  • 00:33:32
    pricing has also changed so those are
  • 00:33:34
    the two reasons why you would see um you
  • 00:33:37
    know an overall reduction or frankly
  • 00:33:41
    even on the revenue side as well as on
  • 00:33:43
    the uh on the Ia side I'll have personal
  • 00:33:47
    comment on the exact numbers yeah I I
  • 00:33:49
    just want to point out a couple of
  • 00:33:51
    things here so while you see the revenue
  • 00:33:53
    uh is about
  • 00:33:55
    1% uh if you look at the expense line
  • 00:33:57
    also so it is you know contained and
  • 00:33:59
    it's stagnant and in between if you see
  • 00:34:02
    we have managed the cogs margin pretty
  • 00:34:05
    well and that has expanded by almost 5%
  • 00:34:09
    so while the prices of module also come
  • 00:34:12
    down inputs also come down so you know
  • 00:34:14
    we have to look at the margin and that's
  • 00:34:16
    what we have managed in this quarter and
  • 00:34:18
    we'll continue to focus on it in the
  • 00:34:19
    coming
  • 00:34:21
    we thank you very much
  • 00:34:24
    P sir can you give the US mix or export
  • 00:34:27
    mix in this year and last year and maybe
  • 00:34:29
    in
  • 00:34:30
    this the quarter
  • 00:34:34
    one uh so again uh directionally last
  • 00:34:38
    year uh we were around 60% and this year
  • 00:34:41
    we are around
  • 00:34:44
    27% sure thank you from St
  • 00:34:47
    perspective thank you I'll get to the
  • 00:34:49
    queue thank you thank you we'll take the
  • 00:34:52
    next question from the line of Deepak
  • 00:34:54
    Krishnan from kotk institutional
  • 00:34:57
    equities please go
  • 00:34:58
    ahead hi sir am I
  • 00:35:01
    audible yes please just yes yes so I
  • 00:35:04
    just wanted to sort of understand I
  • 00:35:06
    think we are at a pretty Advanced stage
  • 00:35:07
    for the 1.4 gaw in the US but the
  • 00:35:10
    further capacity
  • 00:35:12
    expansions how are we looking at it uh
  • 00:35:15
    you know with you know what could be the
  • 00:35:17
    potential CH challenges or positives
  • 00:35:19
    that we are looking at from an IRA
  • 00:35:20
    perspective do we still require Ira to
  • 00:35:23
    go ahead with that or we will be in a
  • 00:35:26
    wait and watch mode and once there is
  • 00:35:28
    only policy uncertainty that's when
  • 00:35:30
    we'll sort of go and expand over
  • 00:35:34
    there uh deep a great question on the
  • 00:35:37
    United States United States we are
  • 00:35:39
    extremely committed to United States
  • 00:35:41
    it's a it's a big Market it is a growing
  • 00:35:44
    market and uh we will approach this
  • 00:35:47
    Market with a certain amount of
  • 00:35:48
    aggression which we already have in the
  • 00:35:51
    past uh and so therefore um uh you know
  • 00:35:55
    are we going to red use uh the gas or I
  • 00:36:00
    would say maybe gas is the wrong eism to
  • 00:36:02
    be used here but um you know are we
  • 00:36:05
    going to reduce the acceleration there
  • 00:36:07
    the answer to that is absolutely no
  • 00:36:09
    having said that the additional 3.4 gaw
  • 00:36:12
    capacity and uh you know potentially 5
  • 00:36:15
    gwatt cell capacity we will definitely
  • 00:36:18
    look at uh how the policy landscape
  • 00:36:22
    evolves given the change of dispensation
  • 00:36:24
    there uh it's important for us to know
  • 00:36:28
    on on in in which direction it is moving
  • 00:36:31
    uh and no sooner that Clarity comes up
  • 00:36:34
    you know we will we will continue our on
  • 00:36:36
    our expansion screen the most important
  • 00:36:39
    factor we need to remember here is that
  • 00:36:41
    solar energy is the cheapest form of
  • 00:36:43
    energy and so that will ensure that
  • 00:36:47
    United States and the various states
  • 00:36:50
    which form the United States uh will
  • 00:36:53
    actually aggressively move forward
  • 00:36:54
    towards that our Factory actually is in
  • 00:36:56
    Texas which as you know is a Republican
  • 00:36:59
    state uh but um if you look at which is
  • 00:37:02
    the state which has actually added the
  • 00:37:04
    largest amount of solar capacity uh last
  • 00:37:07
    year the answer is Texas at 6.5 gaws so
  • 00:37:11
    our our hopes are Pinn on a fairly large
  • 00:37:14
    US market as we move
  • 00:37:17
    forward uh sure maybe just a followup to
  • 00:37:19
    that so if I look at the quarter
  • 00:37:21
    obviously you indicated one is 27% is
  • 00:37:23
    exposed that's indirectly impacted our
  • 00:37:26
    realizations also domestic SP up but for
  • 00:37:29
    the full year how are we targeting in
  • 00:37:32
    terms of export and domestic mix and for
  • 00:37:34
    the 13.3 gaw capacity we have what is
  • 00:37:38
    the rough production numbers that you're
  • 00:37:39
    sort of targeting
  • 00:37:42
    for25 so uh from the mix you know this
  • 00:37:47
    particular year is going to be a bit of
  • 00:37:49
    a uh year which is Weir more towards
  • 00:37:52
    domestic so the pattern uh may not
  • 00:37:55
    change substant ially maybe a little
  • 00:37:59
    more of exports from where we stand but
  • 00:38:01
    the pattern may not dramatically
  • 00:38:06
    change uh sure and maybe just wanted to
  • 00:38:09
    understand the 600 CR investment you are
  • 00:38:11
    doing uh would that be into renewable
  • 00:38:14
    IPS or what are we sort of investing the
  • 00:38:17
    600 odd crores or would we get into ipv
  • 00:38:20
    business or these are just adjacencies
  • 00:38:22
    to you know sort of help us uh expand
  • 00:38:25
    our present in module as well as sort of
  • 00:38:27
    d
  • 00:38:29
    uh it it is all of the above it would
  • 00:38:32
    mean uh you know potentially looking at
  • 00:38:35
    uh at uh um you know uh land and
  • 00:38:38
    connectivity for our own self at the
  • 00:38:40
    same time for IP type of a
  • 00:38:44
    business uh sure sir those are my
  • 00:38:46
    questions and best of luck for future
  • 00:38:49
    thank you very much de thank you the
  • 00:38:52
    next question is from the line of suban
  • 00:38:54
    yadav from SBI life insurance please go
  • 00:38:56
    ahead
  • 00:38:58
    uh sir as you mentioned the mix change
  • 00:39:01
    this year to around
  • 00:39:04
    27% is it because of intern competition
  • 00:39:07
    from the Southeast Asian country where
  • 00:39:11
    it is expected that some Duty will be
  • 00:39:13
    led there and hence the inventory built
  • 00:39:16
    up might has happened from their side or
  • 00:39:19
    is
  • 00:39:20
    it the our cost is a bit higher than the
  • 00:39:24
    their sell cost module cost if you can
  • 00:39:26
    put some on this and going ahead how do
  • 00:39:29
    you see the next six Monon
  • 00:39:32
    export for
  • 00:39:34
    us uh Mr super thank you very much for
  • 00:39:37
    the question a very pertinent question
  • 00:39:41
    uh the reduction is definitely not
  • 00:39:45
    because of competition uh it is actually
  • 00:39:49
    just a point in time if you see even
  • 00:39:52
    today our AUD book actually uh there is
  • 00:39:54
    a preponderance of uh of uh
  • 00:39:57
    exports in our in our AUD book mix at
  • 00:40:00
    this point in time so it's definitely
  • 00:40:02
    not because of Any structural reasons of
  • 00:40:05
    pricing uh it is just a cycle that you
  • 00:40:08
    go through you'll see that in the next
  • 00:40:10
    year things will be different uh and and
  • 00:40:14
    and it'll keep evolving as we move
  • 00:40:17
    forward okay and so can you just give us
  • 00:40:20
    some figure on the pricing of the module
  • 00:40:23
    how much it has come down Vis next year
  • 00:40:25
    and this year
  • 00:40:28
    so uh you know last year for the US
  • 00:40:32
    realizations were in the region of 283
  • 00:40:35
    cents uh and this year they are kind of
  • 00:40:38
    uh approaching towards somewhere around
  • 00:40:40
    24 cents or so uh and for India um you
  • 00:40:45
    know from around 21 cents or so they are
  • 00:40:48
    approaching to around 17 OD cents Ball
  • 00:40:52
    Park
  • 00:40:53
    numbers okay okay uh great thank you
  • 00:40:58
    thank you very
  • 00:40:59
    much thank you the next question is from
  • 00:41:03
    the line of ashishan LA from invest qpms
  • 00:41:06
    please go
  • 00:41:07
    ahead yeah uh sir the coted capacity
  • 00:41:11
    that you mentioned around 12 gabes and
  • 00:41:15
    the numbers that we spoke about I think
  • 00:41:17
    um um 3.3 GB for the first half so this
  • 00:41:21
    would maybe 50% on the utilization
  • 00:41:24
    roughly maybe so can you explain me the
  • 00:41:26
    why the demand you say is very very
  • 00:41:28
    strong so why this
  • 00:41:31
    situation so
  • 00:41:33
    utilization uh is not because of the
  • 00:41:36
    fact that the lines are idle it's
  • 00:41:39
    actually because of various factors I
  • 00:41:42
    mean in fact our factories are running
  • 00:41:43
    24 by7 so it is not the utilizing
  • 00:41:46
    Factory is not less because of lack of
  • 00:41:49
    customers or lack of demand it is
  • 00:41:52
    because the way you manage your factory
  • 00:41:54
    it is because the the type of demand
  • 00:41:57
    the changeovers that are
  • 00:41:59
    required U that kind of leads us to the
  • 00:42:03
    utilization factor of as you rightly
  • 00:42:04
    calculated somewhere around 50
  • 00:42:06
    60% uh and so that uh at any given point
  • 00:42:11
    the the 12 gaw that you coted as a name
  • 00:42:13
    plate capacity and typically you know
  • 00:42:16
    you don't get to that point uh you know
  • 00:42:19
    if everything remains constant and you
  • 00:42:21
    can run the factories 24x7 without any
  • 00:42:23
    changes without any holidays um you know
  • 00:42:28
    you can get to maybe 70 80% of that
  • 00:42:31
    capacity um at this point in time what
  • 00:42:34
    happens is that some of the lines are
  • 00:42:36
    for a given particular customer some
  • 00:42:39
    customers want monopo some customers
  • 00:42:41
    want popcorn and that will require
  • 00:42:43
    changes of lines and each time a line
  • 00:42:46
    changes there are certain number of days
  • 00:42:49
    which are lost in production and that is
  • 00:42:52
    what uh leads to U this uh utilization
  • 00:42:56
    rate
  • 00:42:58
    uh our constant Endeavor is to actually
  • 00:43:01
    keep getting better and better at that
  • 00:43:03
    so if you see from last year onwards uh
  • 00:43:05
    to this year it's been a very
  • 00:43:07
    substantial jump in our utilization and
  • 00:43:09
    you'll keep seeing that the capacity
  • 00:43:11
    utilization will keep getting better and
  • 00:43:13
    better because of better
  • 00:43:15
    plan okay uh secondly this 20 G of a
  • 00:43:19
    reset so how much is Us in that and
  • 00:43:23
    uh I mean is is it uh in line with the
  • 00:43:28
    cell capacities that we are putting in
  • 00:43:30
    because the cell capacities seem to be
  • 00:43:32
    much lower if us is a bigger portion of
  • 00:43:35
    that so we are at
  • 00:43:37
    72% uh of the order book is United
  • 00:43:40
    States at this point in time the cell
  • 00:43:42
    capacity uh is not going to be so much
  • 00:43:45
    of a limitation the
  • 00:43:47
    entac be for internal purposes both for
  • 00:43:50
    India and for United States uh we will
  • 00:43:53
    still not be producing enough sales for
  • 00:43:55
    our own internal consum
  • 00:43:57
    for the United States uh you know we
  • 00:43:59
    will be taking uh sales from
  • 00:44:02
    sources which are allowed in United
  • 00:44:04
    States which is going to be non-china
  • 00:44:07
    and those Supply chains are also secure
  • 00:44:09
    um and so that is not going to be a
  • 00:44:11
    limitation to serve our United States
  • 00:44:15
    customers okay uh lastly sir this cell
  • 00:44:18
    capacity in India is coming up so uh
  • 00:44:21
    would it be fair to I mean whatever you
  • 00:44:23
    think is fair to assume in terms of um
  • 00:44:26
    full utility like you said modules you
  • 00:44:29
    produce only maybe 70% at B so what it
  • 00:44:31
    would be for sell whenever it is mature
  • 00:44:34
    and what kind of profitability one can
  • 00:44:37
    expect maybe keeping in mind the
  • 00:44:39
    current rates in from the
  • 00:44:43
    sell production
  • 00:44:45
    then so uh again great set of
  • 00:44:48
    question Mr Ashish um from the
  • 00:44:52
    perspective of capacity utilization they
  • 00:44:56
    are in the sort of similar region so we
  • 00:44:58
    would expect somewhere around 60 to
  • 00:45:02
    80% um you know as as the lines keep
  • 00:45:05
    getting stabilized and at the full
  • 00:45:08
    maturation somewhere in the region of
  • 00:45:09
    around 80% or thereabouts is where uh
  • 00:45:13
    one can expect
  • 00:45:16
    um uh as far as the profitability is
  • 00:45:19
    concerned uh as you can imagine I mean
  • 00:45:21
    if you would have had one to one we
  • 00:45:23
    would have had a massive profit fth uh
  • 00:45:25
    but at this point in time on a blended
  • 00:45:27
    basis we expect about a 200 to 300 basis
  • 00:45:31
    points Improvement in the overall
  • 00:45:33
    profitability because of
  • 00:45:35
    ss okay okay thank you I'll come back
  • 00:45:38
    with more questions let others ask sure
  • 00:45:42
    thank you very much Ashish really
  • 00:45:43
    appreciate thank you before we go ahead
  • 00:45:45
    with the next question I would request
  • 00:45:47
    all the participants to limit their
  • 00:45:49
    questions to one per participant should
  • 00:45:51
    you have a followup question please
  • 00:45:52
    dojin the que thank you the next
  • 00:45:55
    question is is from the line of moit
  • 00:45:57
    Kumar from ICI Securities please go
  • 00:46:00
    ahead hi good afternoon sir uh so my
  • 00:46:04
    question is uh on the duties uh how do
  • 00:46:07
    you think about the impending duties
  • 00:46:09
    which been talked about in the United
  • 00:46:10
    States the anti-dumping duty and
  • 00:46:13
    contributing duties when do you think
  • 00:46:14
    that Clarity will some clarity will come
  • 00:46:16
    in in your
  • 00:46:19
    opinion so as you know there is change
  • 00:46:22
    in dispensation uh in the United States
  • 00:46:25
    we have been closely observing the situ
  • 00:46:26
    situation uh and and trying to seek
  • 00:46:29
    Clarity I would say uh uh from my
  • 00:46:33
    perspective it it will be in somewhere
  • 00:46:36
    in January is when we potentially get
  • 00:46:38
    the clarity on this just given the
  • 00:46:42
    changes that are happening in the
  • 00:46:43
    political landscape of United States my
  • 00:46:46
    question is that of course the
  • 00:46:47
    anti-dumping duty and CBD will imported
  • 00:46:49
    in the in the southeast Asia so how so
  • 00:46:53
    does it impact in any way you know our
  • 00:46:55
    sourcing our
  • 00:46:59
    of so um a large portion of what we are
  • 00:47:04
    actually exporting to the United States
  • 00:47:07
    is actually directly from India and we
  • 00:47:09
    are we are going to come up with our own
  • 00:47:11
    manufacturing facility uh in the United
  • 00:47:13
    States as you know 1.4 gaws uh so both
  • 00:47:17
    of that taken together the impact on us
  • 00:47:19
    is uh going to be
  • 00:47:22
    limited understood sir thank you thank
  • 00:47:24
    you and all the best thank you thank you
  • 00:47:26
    very
  • 00:47:27
    much thank you the next question is from
  • 00:47:30
    the line of chirak kasala from Neo Asset
  • 00:47:33
    Management please go ahead yeah hi so as
  • 00:47:36
    just you said that you know this year uh
  • 00:47:39
    the contribution from exports is more
  • 00:47:41
    close to 2 by 30% and uh this school
  • 00:47:44
    year it could remain at similar level
  • 00:47:46
    but going forward uh will the uh
  • 00:47:49
    contribution will remain at around Road
  • 00:47:52
    level to exports and in that case and
  • 00:47:55
    also if you want to know start producing
  • 00:47:58
    in US itself then how will the margins
  • 00:48:00
    change as he will be procuring sell from
  • 00:48:03
    us and and then so could the margins be
  • 00:48:06
    on the lower side going
  • 00:48:09
    forward um CH great question uh so from
  • 00:48:14
    our perspective uh the mix of the sales
  • 00:48:19
    is going to continue to keep evolving
  • 00:48:21
    you know just looking at the uh the way
  • 00:48:24
    in which our order books stack up
  • 00:48:27
    clearly shows the direction in which
  • 00:48:29
    potentially next year is going to pan
  • 00:48:30
    out now like you rightly said some of it
  • 00:48:33
    we might actually serve from our own
  • 00:48:35
    factories in United States uh in what
  • 00:48:38
    Manner are we going to do that for
  • 00:48:41
    United States most of the sell
  • 00:48:44
    requirement most if not all will be
  • 00:48:46
    served from India and so therefore uh
  • 00:48:50
    you know that is going to be a
  • 00:48:51
    substantial margin contributor as we
  • 00:48:52
    move forward uh the way in which we will
  • 00:48:55
    actually do the configur
  • 00:48:57
    of orders to be uh to be served from in
  • 00:49:01
    United States for United States United
  • 00:49:03
    States from India and India from India
  • 00:49:06
    will all be configured in such a way
  • 00:49:08
    that uh we maximize our profit
  • 00:49:12
    potential and if you look at the order
  • 00:49:14
    inlow so it has been around 20 GA of
  • 00:49:17
    order book as on fi 24 and even the
  • 00:49:19
    first half the order book is so what has
  • 00:49:22
    been the order inlows in this first
  • 00:49:25
    half so uh it's actually been Fair
  • 00:49:28
    robust about six gaws or so what I would
  • 00:49:30
    say five to six gaws is what uh uh what
  • 00:49:33
    we have got in the
  • 00:49:35
    first okay and could it be safe to
  • 00:49:38
    assume that second half would be better
  • 00:49:40
    in terms of growth because if you look
  • 00:49:41
    at your listed peers they are reporting
  • 00:49:44
    much higher Revenue growth who are you
  • 00:49:46
    know purely operating in Indian markets
  • 00:49:49
    but you're also you know this year
  • 00:49:50
    competing more on India then uh would
  • 00:49:53
    the uh Revenue growth be better or uh
  • 00:49:56
    how should be look me but you great
  • 00:49:58
    question um so the uh the revenues are a
  • 00:50:03
    function of if you look at our business
  • 00:50:06
    the revenues are a function of our
  • 00:50:08
    manufacturing capacity and
  • 00:50:10
    realization right and when you put all
  • 00:50:13
    of these things together if your
  • 00:50:15
    manufacturing capacity increases
  • 00:50:17
    dramatically or your uh and your
  • 00:50:19
    realization remains flat or increases uh
  • 00:50:22
    you know your revenues will grow for us
  • 00:50:25
    this is the year of uh making sure that
  • 00:50:28
    we have a very strong uh iida very
  • 00:50:32
    strong uh um uh you know making sure
  • 00:50:36
    that the manufacturing footprint uh uh
  • 00:50:39
    is complete uh and then therefore uh you
  • 00:50:43
    know get the benefits of completion
  • 00:50:45
    of of all the manufacturing capacity so
  • 00:50:49
    that the the way in which realization
  • 00:50:51
    will go up from our perspective is as
  • 00:50:53
    the cell capacity comes up also the DCR
  • 00:50:57
    uh potential that our own self uh gives
  • 00:51:00
    us we also give Philip to the
  • 00:51:04
    profitability thank you thank you
  • 00:51:08
    CH thank you a reminder to all the
  • 00:51:11
    participants who to kindly limit their
  • 00:51:12
    questions to one per
  • 00:51:15
    participant the next question is from
  • 00:51:17
    the line of suash KLA from Singularity
  • 00:51:20
    please go
  • 00:51:23
    ahead all thank you for doing my
  • 00:51:25
    question so I had a question on the uh
  • 00:51:28
    the improved margins because of sales um
  • 00:51:31
    you said maybe two to three percentage
  • 00:51:33
    points um from our understanding looking
  • 00:51:36
    at the P it looks to be much higher if
  • 00:51:38
    you are running an integrated facility
  • 00:51:40
    maybe if you can just expand a little
  • 00:51:42
    bit on that and asum the End Market is
  • 00:51:45
    DCR second if you can talk about the
  • 00:51:48
    retail business in the rooftop solar
  • 00:51:50
    segment from a macro perspective the
  • 00:51:53
    numbers uh the growth in the numbers uh
  • 00:51:55
    is looking very exciting so how are we
  • 00:51:58
    looking at that segment two two three
  • 00:52:00
    years out from in terms of the revenue
  • 00:52:02
    and the profitability of the
  • 00:52:05
    segment right um again great question uh
  • 00:52:10
    Su G if I've got your name correctly uh
  • 00:52:15
    from a margin perspective yes you're
  • 00:52:18
    right a fully integrated chain so if I
  • 00:52:21
    would have had if I have 13.3 gaw of
  • 00:52:24
    manufacturing of modules and .3 gaws of
  • 00:52:27
    cells um these numbers that I quote
  • 00:52:30
    might potentially even jump to a double
  • 00:52:33
    double than what I'm saying however on a
  • 00:52:35
    blended basis so when I said 200 to 300
  • 00:52:38
    basis points it's on a blended basis uh
  • 00:52:41
    and that's where uh you getting
  • 00:52:44
    um in that region but yeah I mean as the
  • 00:52:47
    level of integration increases the
  • 00:52:50
    potential of profits actually go up and
  • 00:52:51
    they're almost
  • 00:52:53
    double at this point in time of course
  • 00:52:55
    there is a there's a sense of
  • 00:52:56
    conservatism in the numbers that I quote
  • 00:52:59
    um as as we always are uh and we would
  • 00:53:03
    like to beat those numbers as we
  • 00:53:05
    move thank you sir the next question is
  • 00:53:08
    from the line of prati Kumar from jeffre
  • 00:53:10
    please go
  • 00:53:13
    ahead yeah thanks for the followup I
  • 00:53:15
    just one question regarding the order
  • 00:53:17
    book so just wanted to understand this
  • 00:53:19
    order book of 20q about uh in current
  • 00:53:22
    context of current environment in us so
  • 00:53:25
    all these ERS are like sort of more like
  • 00:53:28
    M or like all these companies have like
  • 00:53:31
    sort of given you some Advance or I mean
  • 00:53:33
    and they can be like sort of cancelled
  • 00:53:34
    because there's some change in local
  • 00:53:36
    regulations Etc uh so uh what is the
  • 00:53:39
    stage of these order books exactly for
  • 00:53:41
    this 20 GW of like 70% is
  • 00:53:44
    US super so uh PR g a fantastic question
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    um the way in which we look at orders
  • 00:53:53
    and consider them as orders in wari is
  • 00:53:55
    if we get a advances so almost the
  • 00:53:59
    entire 20 gaw of AUD book is backed by
  • 00:54:02
    advances that's number one number two
  • 00:54:05
    praque G is uh that we most of our
  • 00:54:08
    orders in this order book are through
  • 00:54:10
    sticky customers customers who are loyal
  • 00:54:12
    to us and um and that's the other reason
  • 00:54:16
    why there is a certain strong belief
  • 00:54:19
    that this orders would not be cancelled
  • 00:54:22
    so these are the two solid reasons why
  • 00:54:23
    it's a solid order book we uh you know
  • 00:54:26
    we don't consider it as an order till
  • 00:54:27
    the time that we actually have a have an
  • 00:54:29
    advance in our books and there's an
  • 00:54:32
    increased confidence because of the fact
  • 00:54:33
    that they are loyal
  • 00:54:38
    customers thank you the next question is
  • 00:54:41
    from the line of putam attorney from o
  • 00:54:45
    Oakland Capital please go
  • 00:54:47
    ahead thank you for the opportunity uh
  • 00:54:50
    sir I wanted to ask questions on the new
  • 00:54:52
    businesses one is battery storage the
  • 00:54:54
    other is Electro which is said comment
  • 00:54:56
    in probably next call the aluminium
  • 00:54:59
    frame I think we have a subsidiary which
  • 00:55:02
    is named wari green and green aluminium
  • 00:55:05
    private limited and a couple of years
  • 00:55:08
    back I think there was a there's some
  • 00:55:10
    business opportunity been discussed on
  • 00:55:12
    thermal energy storage with with BR
  • 00:55:15
    Miller do we have any updates on all of
  • 00:55:18
    these
  • 00:55:19
    businesses uh a great question
  • 00:55:23
    uh uh you know in my presentation I
  • 00:55:25
    already said said that we are going to
  • 00:55:28
    uh have a fairly broad um Spectrum from
  • 00:55:34
    a energy transitions perspective um you
  • 00:55:37
    know out of that uh
  • 00:55:41
    electrolyzer for hydrogen and battery
  • 00:55:44
    energy storage systems uh have come uh
  • 00:55:49
    you know have come up to a point where
  • 00:55:51
    we can talk about it and of course we'll
  • 00:55:53
    get back to you in details very soon all
  • 00:55:55
    the other parts and pieces of the
  • 00:55:57
    potential future business is being
  • 00:56:00
    talked about internally we have a
  • 00:56:02
    process internally where we move all of
  • 00:56:05
    these through various stage Gates and
  • 00:56:09
    when it crosses the right stage Gates
  • 00:56:12
    and when it becomes mature and when it
  • 00:56:14
    is we are ready we will be fairly
  • 00:56:16
    excited to come and talk to you about
  • 00:56:17
    that as well but at this point in time
  • 00:56:19
    as they say it's not prime act it has
  • 00:56:21
    not come to a stage where we can talk
  • 00:56:23
    about it
  • 00:56:26
    thank you very much sir ladies and
  • 00:56:28
    gentlemen due to time const stream that
  • 00:56:29
    was the last question we can take today
  • 00:56:32
    I would now like to hand the conference
  • 00:56:33
    over to the management for closing
  • 00:56:35
    comments over to
  • 00:56:37
    you uh thank you very much uh thank you
  • 00:56:40
    very much for asking us all of these
  • 00:56:42
    extremely exciting uh questions and uh
  • 00:56:46
    uh and thank you very much for spending
  • 00:56:47
    the time ladies and gentlemen what we
  • 00:56:49
    would like to sum up uh this conference
  • 00:56:52
    as is uh we have had a good and
  • 00:56:56
    resilient quarter we have strong
  • 00:56:58
    business fundamentals and that's due to
  • 00:57:00
    a strong demand a very very good
  • 00:57:04
    manufacturing footprint for now and for
  • 00:57:06
    the future and of course our F into
  • 00:57:09
    other elements of uh energy transitions
  • 00:57:12
    which are going to bring us growth in
  • 00:57:14
    the future once again ladies and
  • 00:57:16
    gentlemen thank you very much for the
  • 00:57:18
    time thank you members of the management
  • 00:57:20
    on behalf of Vari energies limited that
  • 00:57:23
    concludes this conference we thank you
  • 00:57:24
    for joining us and you may now discuss
  • 00:57:26
    nature lines thank you
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