These 5 things will make you FLUENT in ANY LANGUAGE FAST!

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الملخص

TLDRThe discussion focuses on language learning experiences and methods, emphasizing the significance of immersion and consistent practice. The speaker recounts personal stories about learning Italian and Japanese, highlighting the time commitment needed to reach fluency. They outline the four main strategies for effective language learning: input (listening and reading), output (speaking and writing), deliberate learning activities, and fluency development. The role of AI in supporting language acquisition is explored, as well as common pitfalls that learners encounter. Ultimately, the conversation encourages setting personal goals and understanding one's motivations as critical components of successful language learning.

الوجبات الجاهزة

  • ⏳ Learning a language requires hundreds, even thousands, of hours.
  • 🌐 Immersion and consistent input are crucial for language acquisition.
  • 🗣️ Speaking practice complements listening skills for better communication.
  • 📚 Deliberate learning activities can significantly accelerate the language learning process.
  • 🚫 Relying solely on apps can hinder language learning progress.
  • 🎯 Setting clear goals helps streamline learning efforts.
  • 🧠 AI can enhance vocabulary and provide tailored content for learners.
  • 💬 Engaging with content that interests you improves motivation and retention.
  • ✍️ Writing supports active learning but may not be the focus initially.
  • 📖 Using graded readers aids comprehension in challenging languages.

الجدول الزمني

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The speaker emphasizes the importance of consistent and immersive language learning, stressing that merely doing a short daily lesson is insufficient for real progress. They suggest that immersion through listening and reading in the target language is essential for success.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The speaker describes their background, having grown up in a French-speaking country and struggling with English despite years of study, leading them to seek more effective methods for language acquisition.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    They recount their journey of learning Italian, initially finding success after only a few months, which inspired them to tackle more challenging languages like Japanese with an optimistic outlook and a desire for fluency.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Discussing the inherent passion among successful language learners, the speaker suggests that motivation is critical for pushing through challenges, emphasizing the difference in learning experiences based on personal interests.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    When asked about their method for learning, the speaker outlines a balanced approach including listening, speaking, reading, writing, deliberate learning, and fluency development, suggesting an equal distribution of effort among these components.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    They highlight the importance of practical language use and the need for a structured routine, sharing their future plans to study a new language for YouTube documentation and advocating for a substantial daily commitment to learning.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Examining learning mistakes, the speaker cautions against the misconception that language can be learned quickly and emphasizes the necessity of consistent, substantial practice over time for fluency.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    The discussion continues about the limitations of language learning resources like Duolingo, contrasting how these apps may not provide enough depth or customization for serious learners and advocate for stronger, tailored study methods.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:49:28

    Lastly, the speaker shares their thoughts on integrating AI for language learning, noting that while AI tools can provide extensive support, they aren't replacements for immersive and consistent language practice with native speakers.

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فيديو أسئلة وأجوبة

  • What is the most crucial element in language learning?

    Consistent immersion and extensive input are key for effective language learning.

  • How many hours are typically needed to learn a language?

    Learning a language fluently can take hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of dedicated practice.

  • What common mistakes do language learners make?

    Many learners underestimate the time commitment required and often rely solely on apps for learning.

  • What approach should be taken towards writing in language learning?

    Writing can be beneficial but may not be prioritized, especially in the early stages of learning.

  • How can AI assist in language learning?

    AI can provide tailored content and assist in vocabulary learning, though it should not replace human interaction.

  • What strategies can be used for effective listening practice?

    Engaging with content at your level and above, including conversational practice, is essential.

  • Why should goals matter in language learning?

    Setting clear goals helps direct your study efforts and aligns your learning with your practical needs.

  • Can someone learn a language entirely through input?

    While possible, it is generally slower, and combining input with deliberate learning activities is often more effective.

  • What are the four strands of language learning?

    The four strands are input (listening and reading), output (speaking and writing), deliberate learning, and fluency development.

  • Is Duolingo effective for language learning?

    Duolingo can be a good starting point, but its model may not align with serious language learning goals.

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التمرير التلقائي:
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    I don't think people really realize how
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    many hours you need to to really learn a
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    language you think that well okay I'm
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    going to just do 15 minutes of this
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    every day and well I'm pretty consistent
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    right so it should be okay well it's a
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    lot of input like immersion you're
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    always listening and reading in Japanese
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    or whatever language you're learning and
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    then you do Ani and if I remember
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    correctly that's pretty much the only
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    two things I mean immersion in the sense
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    of a lot of input and then you do
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    everything in Japanese you know you eat
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    cake with chopsticks and all all of
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    these things I don't want to be the guy
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    that just talks about language learning
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    I actually want to show people that well
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    I apply this advice and you know it
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    works Lis what's up man how you doing
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    how's life is it Grand is life grand for
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    you at the moment well it is Grand
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    actually so you know as far as language
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    learning I'm still you know doing my
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    stuff doing a lot of sort of passive
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    learning you know I'll talk more about
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    this but I don't have as much time as I
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    would want to to do you know Active
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    Learning actually sitting down and doing
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    activities so I you know I do a lot of
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    passive learning just listening or stuff
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    on the go and um I'm thinking of doing a
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    project that you know learning a
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    language and sort of documenting it for
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    for YouTube uh I don't want to talk too
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    much about this because it's not 100%
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    I'm not 100% sure of what language I'm
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    going to choose and what format it's
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    going to take but yeah so well listen
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    good that's that's exactly where I want
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    to dig in and so give us just a little
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    bit of a a short background into how
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    you're so obsessed with language
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    learning like me and uh how it's it
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    encompasses such a great part of your
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    your life give me give me that
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    background real
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    quick well so I was born and raised in
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    in Tahiti and French poesia right so
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    it's very much uh pretty much
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    monolingual uh country we all speak
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    French some people speak tahan but I'm
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    not ethnically Tian so I don't speak any
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    tahan I grew up just speaking French and
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    just like any kid going through the the
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    French school system I studied I started
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    studying English in probably at the age
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    of 11 or 12 so I did this for about
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    seven years and uh at the end of high
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    school I studied prettyy hard and I had
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    good grades I would say for written
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    comprehension writing English and stuff
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    but then I went to Switzerland you know
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    in the french- speaking part and I did
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    meet some you know English speakers
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    there and I remember one particular
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    event that was in the train I was going
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    from the city where I was studying in so
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    loan it's in the French speaking part
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    not a very big city and I went to I
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    think I was going to the Geneva airport
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    and there was a guy an Irish guy in
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    front of me and he had this friend from
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    London I think he had this very you know
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    Posh accent I think as far as I can can
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    remember he went to Imperial College of
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    London or
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    something and they were having a
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    discussion and sometimes they were
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    asking me questions and I mean I could
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    not understand what the British guy was
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    saying and so I thought man this is this
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    is such a shame cuz I've been studying
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    English for seven years and uh I can't I
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    just can't have a basic conversation
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    with a native speaker right maybe with
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    Americans it would be a little bit
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    easier cuz I'm I was more used to the
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    accent but so at this point I decided
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    okay I need to do something about it cuz
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    I mean it's not just for hobbies right
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    English it's just if you're a software
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    developer like me it's just uh you need
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    to use English all the
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    time so I decided to take things
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    seriously and at first I think I didn't
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    really have a method for learning
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    languages so it was very much just uh
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    you know do whatever and so English took
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    me a long time to acquire but then I
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    went on to I think it was the end of my
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    freshman year I had um you know summer
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    break of about 3 months I don't know why
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    it was so long but and I thought you
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    know it was so intense the first year in
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    Switzerland studying there and I did the
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    exams and then the three 3mon summer
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    break I was like okay what I need to do
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    something useful in my life so I thought
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    well 3 months you know I can learn a
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    language actually but probably not a
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    very hard language I mean it's not a lot
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    of time and of course you know thinking
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    back I think it's a little bit naive to
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    think that in three months you're going
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    to be fluent in a language even though
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    even if it's very easy then you know
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    it's not really
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    realistic and so I thought okay the
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    easiest language I can pick up probably
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    is Italian and there are lots of Italian
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    speakers where I lived and so I started
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    I started learning Italian I did not
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    know what I was doing and so I started
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    with Asim I'm sure I think we mentioned
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    as in in our interview for sure um you
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    know looking back I I think it's good
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    you know I think it's good it's not it's
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    not the best but it got me going and I
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    did Asim
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    Italian I think there are two levels so
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    maybe from A1 to B1 and then B1 to C1 I
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    mean obviously I was not C1 at the end
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    but I think in a span of about 10 months
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    I was able to have conversations with
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    Italian speakers and so this set the
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    whole thing in motion of you know
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    language learning and then with my
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    success with Italian I thought hey you
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    know I think I'm I'm okay at learning
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    languages and so now I'm I'm going to
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    take on a harder language and so I it
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    just so happened that it was probably my
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    second year at the end I was watching a
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    movie again summer break and I remember
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    it very well it was Kill Bill by
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    Tarantino and so a lot of it happens in
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    Japan and I thought man this is so cool
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    so I'm going to learn Japanese and I
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    think in 10 months that's it I'm I'm
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    going to have I'm going to be fluent and
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    so well I mean I'm still learning
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    Japanese so it's it's a lot harder than
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    than Italian so yeah for sure I mean
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    it's it's hilarious you know there's
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    always that what I found in in great
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    Learners and great language Learners is
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    that they that that desire that spark
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    it's something like it'll just hit you
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    you know uh I had mine from a book you
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    know kman Christo watching this guy just
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    like be able to do all that you know you
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    watch Kill Bill you see these people
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    speaking Japanese you fall in love with
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    it in one second and then you devote
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    just a absurd amount of time to learn a
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    language right and so I think language
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    Learners have to remember that if they
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    don't act from that I mean it would be
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    ridiculous for if you having that
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    feeling and that that you know that
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    desire and then we go and force you you
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    know to learn German for some that
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    you're you're going to be struggling to
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    do all those the the obstacles that
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    you're going to hit and that you hit
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    through learning you get through with
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    that desire and that passion and so you
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    said that you started without a method
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    surely you've refined yourself and I
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    know we both appreciate aimil you know
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    and say it could be something that could
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    be involved in this but if you could get
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    us to a more refined area of some things
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    and I've got some questions after that
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    but what would you how would you
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    approach language learning today if we
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    did then say just hey you got to learn
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    German right so I just want to first uh
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    React to what you said about you know if
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    you had to learn German but it's not it
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    doesn't come from any passion or
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    whatever I mean I always think that the
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    hardest language to learn is the one
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    that you don't want to learn I mean is
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    just really hard but to your question so
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    so it's funny because so you're asking
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    me essentially if I had to learn learn a
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    new language what would I do right yeah
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    yeah so I've been thinking about this
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    for the past few weeks because you know
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    I
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    do I am thinking of learning a new
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    language and it is a bit problematic
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    because it's not something I'm going to
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    do because I love the language I want to
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    do it because you know I well obviously
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    I think a lot of people have watch some
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    of my videos I have a YouTube channel
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    but I think I've been talking a lot
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    about language learning and you know
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    interviewing you know researchers in
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    these in these fields but it's very
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    abstract right it's just I don't want to
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    be the guy that just talks about
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    so here is how I would go about it I
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    think generally speaking I sort of take
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    the approach that Professor Paul Nation
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    would take I had him on my
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    podcast and so there are four components
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    that I would really look at four types
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    of activities so the four types of
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    activities first would be well how do
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    you learn a language through listening
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    so that would be the first components
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    then the second component would be
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    writing and speaking and sorry I think
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    the first component I said listening but
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    it's also listening and reading so it's
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    input output the third component would
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    be how do I learn a language through
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    deliberate learning activities so this
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    is I can talk about this but this is
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    stuff like well actually learning the
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    grammar doing doing for flashcards and
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    so on and the fourth category would be
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    fluency development I think this is a
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    bit obscure for people people but
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    essentially this is how do you take what
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    you already know and get really good
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    with it so for example I think the most
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    important component of fluency
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    development and fluency here I don't
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    mean like proficiency I mean that okay
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    you can I can have a conversation with a
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    native speaker but can you have a group
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    conversation with some background noise
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    and things are going really fast right
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    so this is really like you're fluent you
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    have fluent listening so these are the
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    four components and specifically in my
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    Cas what I'm going to do with the new
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    language I'm going to learn I already
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    know more or less which language it's
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    going to be but I don't want to you know
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    spoil it for people I I think the goal
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    for most people listening to us they're
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    not necessarily learning for work
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    they're learning because they want to
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    visit the country because they want to
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    talk with
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    people so the goal is very much to talk
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    with people so I'm going to focus on
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    this instead of focusing on you know
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    reading and writing I think these are
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    extreme extremely beneficial and you
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    know the benefits of reading a book for
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    example doing extensive reading or
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    intensive reading it just goes Way
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    Beyond just your your ability to read
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    but if I want to be more targeted and
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    really learn a language in a sort of
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    restricted span of time then I'm going
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    to be focusing on listening and
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    speaking so this is the the overall
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    framework but concretely what I would do
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    is for listening for example I'm not
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    going to tell all the activities for
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    listening obviously this is going to be
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    a lot of comprehensive ible input
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    there's nothing too uh sexy or anything
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    here just get a lot of content that I'm
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    interested in and that is at about my
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    level or a little bit above so that's
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    for the listening which I think in my
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    opinion I mean I don't know about you
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    but like when I learn in language it's
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    always seems to be the the sort of the
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    bottleneck because when you learn how to
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    speak then you know when you're in front
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    of someone and you have to talk then you
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    can use avoidance strategies when you
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    don't know a word can sort of bypass it
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    and but with
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    listening you can't just ask the person
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    to just repeat multiple times and and
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    stuff like that so yeah this is the
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    limiting factor to me and then speaking
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    what I would do for example is an
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    activity that I know it may sound a
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    little bit controversial but this is an
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    activity from Paul Nation so stuff like
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    just memorized sentences or memorized
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    speeches which is just you know just you
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    memorize sentences or speeches and I
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    know that now in the language learning
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    world there's sort of this thing about
  • 00:13:04
    you know you shouldn't learn things and
  • 00:13:06
    it should be acquired and I'm not you
  • 00:13:09
    know I'm not really sure about this I've
  • 00:13:10
    had good results with this just
  • 00:13:13
    memorizing stuff and obviously you're
  • 00:13:14
    not going to to produce the sentences or
  • 00:13:18
    the speeches exactly how you learn them
  • 00:13:20
    but I really found that these I memorize
  • 00:13:24
    the these uh things in the long term and
  • 00:13:26
    I can reuse them even single words in in
  • 00:13:30
    um in the future and so so I gave you an
  • 00:13:33
    activity for input so listening an
  • 00:13:35
    activity for speaking now for fluency
  • 00:13:39
    development I'm not really going to
  • 00:13:42
    focus too much on fluency development if
  • 00:13:45
    I'm going to you know learn a language
  • 00:13:46
    in a very restricted sort of span of
  • 00:13:48
    time
  • 00:13:49
    because apart from listening you know
  • 00:13:52
    listening is really important but it's
  • 00:13:54
    not really too important to me that like
  • 00:13:57
    I'm I'm speaking in a language and I
  • 00:13:59
    sort of I pause and I have to think and
  • 00:14:02
    you know go fetch the words I think it's
  • 00:14:04
    okay as as long as you get your point
  • 00:14:06
    across if you're just taking three
  • 00:14:08
    months or six months to learn a language
  • 00:14:12
    you can just you know put this on the
  • 00:14:14
    back burner and then the last category
  • 00:14:16
    would be the deliberate learning
  • 00:14:18
    activities which I think is really
  • 00:14:20
    important because it's not necessary but
  • 00:14:22
    you can definitely you know it's a bit
  • 00:14:25
    of a shortcut at least or you can you
  • 00:14:28
    know really boost your learning using
  • 00:14:29
    deliberate learning activities and
  • 00:14:31
    obviously people watching my videos they
  • 00:14:33
    know that I've created the the eny cord
  • 00:14:36
    decks which are you know flashcard
  • 00:14:37
    packages for ankey so when I'm going to
  • 00:14:40
    learn this new language I will be using
  • 00:14:43
    an ankey deck that I created for
  • 00:14:46
    learning vocabulary so these are
  • 00:14:48
    sentence cards um and you know obviously
  • 00:14:51
    people don't need to get my anore decks
  • 00:14:53
    there are plenty of decks out there that
  • 00:14:55
    are pre-made and you know pretty uh good
  • 00:14:57
    quality but yeah would do uh flash cards
  • 00:15:00
    because just quoting Professor Paul
  • 00:15:02
    Nation here this is one of the highest
  • 00:15:04
    like the evidence is so great in favor
  • 00:15:06
    of flash cards a word cards or sentence
  • 00:15:08
    cards it's just uh it's a no-brainer so
  • 00:15:12
    yeah there you go yeah I I I want to
  • 00:15:15
    touch on the the obviously between
  • 00:15:18
    memory rote memory using rot memory and
  • 00:15:21
    acquiring I think it's very it's
  • 00:15:22
    fascinating what the kickback on that is
  • 00:15:24
    I think it's probably because everyone
  • 00:15:27
    did not get any of the acquiring within
  • 00:15:30
    the traditional method in school and so
  • 00:15:32
    people are discovering and it's becoming
  • 00:15:33
    like like what do you mean like I can
  • 00:15:35
    actually do this and so you now you have
  • 00:15:37
    this massive as in all things basically
  • 00:15:39
    pretty much in life uh somewhere between
  • 00:15:42
    balancing doing a balancing act between
  • 00:15:44
    these two is going to be generally if we
  • 00:15:46
    put a if we put it across the average
  • 00:15:49
    useful right because I can remember in
  • 00:15:51
    some of my early learning days what I
  • 00:15:53
    would do is I would memorize phrases I
  • 00:15:55
    would memorize a few phrases not because
  • 00:15:59
    I you know thought that this is how I
  • 00:16:00
    would learn the language it was because
  • 00:16:03
    I wanted to be able to use those in a
  • 00:16:06
    situation and get back some input and
  • 00:16:09
    it's also controlled input I realize
  • 00:16:11
    that if I ask you where is the bathroom
  • 00:16:13
    you're not going to start talking about
  • 00:16:14
    the TV show you you just watched right
  • 00:16:16
    it's very I'm going to hear left I'm
  • 00:16:18
    going to hear right I'm going to hear
  • 00:16:19
    straight you know and so that was one of
  • 00:16:22
    the the that's one thing that I still
  • 00:16:23
    actually recommend in is is is to learn
  • 00:16:26
    these things in order to get a a focus
  • 00:16:29
    place for your input and so you know all
  • 00:16:32
    of this being said I'm curious now do
  • 00:16:34
    you have a do you have a grasp of what
  • 00:16:36
    would
  • 00:16:37
    be let's say the biggest mistake or
  • 00:16:40
    mistakes either that you've made or that
  • 00:16:42
    you constantly see coming up I mean
  • 00:16:45
    because you've had lots of excellent
  • 00:16:46
    conversations and everybody here who
  • 00:16:48
    hasn't met or or sorry who haven't
  • 00:16:50
    hasn't seen Le's Channel please go check
  • 00:16:53
    it out because there's just a massive
  • 00:16:54
    wealth of of information there but what
  • 00:16:57
    would you say if you could choose
  • 00:16:59
    some of the biggest mistakes that are
  • 00:17:00
    being done right in terms of what people
  • 00:17:03
    are doing to learn languages it's hard
  • 00:17:05
    for me to say because I don't personally
  • 00:17:08
    know a lot of language learners but at
  • 00:17:10
    the same time there are two things that
  • 00:17:12
    come come to mind first of all and I
  • 00:17:14
    think this is mostly due to you know the
  • 00:17:16
    internet I mean people just watch the
  • 00:17:19
    videos and it doesn't really help that
  • 00:17:23
    um I think in this whole language
  • 00:17:24
    learning world there's this whole thing
  • 00:17:26
    about you know learn a language fast
  • 00:17:29
    and uh it's always about learn a
  • 00:17:31
    language in 3 months and in six months
  • 00:17:34
    and look I'm guilty of this because you
  • 00:17:36
    need to get some views but at the end at
  • 00:17:39
    the end of the day
  • 00:17:40
    like um I don't think people really
  • 00:17:43
    realize how many hours you need to to
  • 00:17:47
    really learn a language so that would be
  • 00:17:50
    the first mistake just you know you
  • 00:17:51
    think that well okay I'm going to just
  • 00:17:53
    do 15 minutes of this every day and well
  • 00:17:56
    I'm pretty consistent right so it should
  • 00:17:58
    be okay well you know if you really like
  • 00:18:01
    especially for an English speaker and
  • 00:18:02
    you're learning a language that is I
  • 00:18:04
    don't know Spanish is easy Slavic
  • 00:18:07
    languages actually I'm not really sure
  • 00:18:09
    how they how difficult they are quite
  • 00:18:11
    diff for the English yeah for The
  • 00:18:12
    American or in English yeah there's
  • 00:18:14
    nothing we have to Peg you know the
  • 00:18:17
    words don't seem good is Doo right and
  • 00:18:20
    good in in German you know good you know
  • 00:18:23
    it's like right okay I get that the
  • 00:18:26
    other one I can't you know so and I mean
  • 00:18:28
    even for quote unquote easy languages
  • 00:18:31
    what um you know there's a
  • 00:18:33
    classification the the FSI the Foreign
  • 00:18:35
    Service Institute says that French and
  • 00:18:38
    Italian and Spanish these are easy
  • 00:18:40
    languages but even the easy languages
  • 00:18:43
    you need hundreds of hours to really
  • 00:18:46
    have conversations I'm not even talking
  • 00:18:48
    about you know being like native level
  • 00:18:50
    like for example you're Italian I mean
  • 00:18:52
    you know you've been through it and you
  • 00:18:54
    have a very good level in Italian not
  • 00:18:56
    just the pronunciation but just you know
  • 00:18:58
    listening comprehension and speaking it
  • 00:19:01
    takes hundreds of hours to really get
  • 00:19:03
    there and so I mean that's it and people
  • 00:19:05
    think that just by using an app 15
  • 00:19:07
    minutes a day or I think even most
  • 00:19:09
    people do like 30 minutes every now and
  • 00:19:11
    then it's not even a daily thing it's
  • 00:19:13
    that's so true that's true it's just I
  • 00:19:15
    mean it's it's okay but it's going to
  • 00:19:17
    take years if not decades so that would
  • 00:19:20
    be the first mistake then the second
  • 00:19:22
    mistake sort of is just to to mention
  • 00:19:24
    what you mentioned is that there's this
  • 00:19:26
    whole thing now and you know I've I've
  • 00:19:29
    definitely been in this Camp I think
  • 00:19:31
    I've listened to your interview with
  • 00:19:32
    Matt versus Japan and who was it Steve
  • 00:19:37
    Kaufman I think the message that they
  • 00:19:41
    convey is is positive but at the same
  • 00:19:45
    time it's a little bit especially in
  • 00:19:47
    Steve's case you know it's a little bit
  • 00:19:49
    uh extreme it's pretty much if I
  • 00:19:51
    remember correctly with uh Steve's
  • 00:19:53
    videos which I watch every now and then
  • 00:19:56
    it's pretty much all about well you know
  • 00:19:58
    just do a lot reading and do a lot of
  • 00:20:00
    listening I mean a lot of input right
  • 00:20:02
    with Matt versus Japan it's not as you
  • 00:20:05
    know I I think the original sort of ajat
  • 00:20:07
    method that he talks
  • 00:20:09
    about it's a lot of input like immersion
  • 00:20:11
    you're always listening and reading in
  • 00:20:13
    Japanese or whatever language you're
  • 00:20:15
    you're learning and then you do Ani and
  • 00:20:17
    if I remember correctly that's pretty
  • 00:20:19
    much the only two things I mean
  • 00:20:20
    immersion in the sense of a lot of input
  • 00:20:22
    and then you do everything in Japanese
  • 00:20:24
    you know you eat cake with chopsticks
  • 00:20:26
    and all all of these things and I think
  • 00:20:28
    it's good you get a lot of input but
  • 00:20:30
    then you know people are really missing
  • 00:20:32
    out on the deliberate learning
  • 00:20:34
    activities and there are plenty of other
  • 00:20:35
    things that you can do to learn
  • 00:20:38
    languages that are really going to speed
  • 00:20:40
    up the process I interviewed Dr Norbert
  • 00:20:42
    Schmidt on my channel who is the well
  • 00:20:46
    actually you know I've interviewed the
  • 00:20:47
    the biggest uh vocabulary people on my
  • 00:20:49
    channel so the three like the Holy
  • 00:20:51
    Trinity of vocabulary Paul nation and
  • 00:20:53
    Norbert Schmidt and ba aler these three
  • 00:20:56
    scientists have the most citations in
  • 00:20:58
    the field of vocabulary and so
  • 00:21:01
    specifically talking about Norbert
  • 00:21:02
    Schmidt he told me you know is it
  • 00:21:05
    possible to learn a language 100%
  • 00:21:08
    through input yes but would you go
  • 00:21:12
    faster if you were to you know
  • 00:21:14
    deliberately learn these words through
  • 00:21:17
    various activities almost for sure and
  • 00:21:20
    so um you know I also interviewed Dr
  • 00:21:23
    Jeff mcquillin on my channel which you
  • 00:21:25
    know he's such a cool guy and he speaks
  • 00:21:28
    so well his interviews are I I think
  • 00:21:31
    there's another Channel with one of his
  • 00:21:33
    interviews and he gets so many views
  • 00:21:35
    because he's he speaks very well and but
  • 00:21:38
    I think also the internet tends to be
  • 00:21:39
    skewed towards the more sort of extreme
  • 00:21:42
    opinions which is nowadays it's well
  • 00:21:45
    forget about you know school it doesn't
  • 00:21:47
    work and deliberate learning activities
  • 00:21:49
    I mean it's okay but your time would be
  • 00:21:51
    better spent just listening and reading
  • 00:21:54
    comprehensible input and that that's all
  • 00:21:56
    you need I think it's okay but
  • 00:21:59
    it's much you know it's very slow do you
  • 00:22:01
    are you familiar with
  • 00:22:03
    katom no katom was one of the world's
  • 00:22:07
    greatest polyglots she's a Hungarian
  • 00:22:09
    she's obviously passed away now but
  • 00:22:11
    she's one of my heroes due to the fact
  • 00:22:13
    of the the way with which she had to
  • 00:22:15
    figure out and learn languages she would
  • 00:22:18
    laugh at Americans deliberately it's
  • 00:22:20
    it's quite funny reading her book you
  • 00:22:21
    know because number one you can you can
  • 00:22:23
    get deeply into the head of someone who
  • 00:22:25
    had to struggle in order to learn these
  • 00:22:26
    languages I mean I think she was
  • 00:22:29
    interpreting and and understood 16 but
  • 00:22:32
    she understood even more than than this
  • 00:22:33
    and she she she laughed at the the West
  • 00:22:37
    even uh let's say Americans and North
  • 00:22:39
    Americans in general with their love of
  • 00:22:41
    ease the love of the desire to you know
  • 00:22:44
    I would say the input and this the
  • 00:22:46
    natural method and all of these things
  • 00:22:47
    are very popular in the west more than I
  • 00:22:49
    would say that they probably are in the
  • 00:22:51
    East she also she's brilliant so the
  • 00:22:54
    fact that you don't know her is really
  • 00:22:55
    really interesting you should definitely
  • 00:22:56
    check her out but I want to touch on the
  • 00:22:58
    fact that time and so for her she
  • 00:23:00
    literally says if I'm remembering this
  • 00:23:03
    correctly the name of her book is how I
  • 00:23:04
    learn languages she was like if you
  • 00:23:06
    don't have 10 to 12 hours a week to
  • 00:23:08
    commit to learning a language don't do
  • 00:23:10
    it he's like nah don't do it you know
  • 00:23:13
    and so that is very different as well as
  • 00:23:16
    she obviously uh you know and I'm in the
  • 00:23:18
    same camp as well uh is that I believe
  • 00:23:22
    you have to at some point wrestle with
  • 00:23:24
    the language wrestling with the language
  • 00:23:25
    is this deliberate that we're talking
  • 00:23:27
    about it might be intensive learning
  • 00:23:28
    where you have to read a sentence and
  • 00:23:29
    you got to go over here and you got to
  • 00:23:30
    check this out and you got to read a
  • 00:23:31
    sentence you got to go over here and
  • 00:23:32
    check this out again you got to do that
  • 00:23:33
    again got today tomorrow the next day
  • 00:23:35
    the same text you know and that's like a
  • 00:23:37
    7-Day thing and that sucks yeah but
  • 00:23:40
    you're going to have to do it where I
  • 00:23:42
    think it's funny is that well I believe
  • 00:23:44
    that that's necessary we're both
  • 00:23:45
    basically saying the same thing I think
  • 00:23:47
    the problem is in that some people get
  • 00:23:49
    stuck on doing this deliberate approach
  • 00:23:52
    as their main and only right approach
  • 00:23:55
    and they they don't get the input and
  • 00:23:56
    they don't get the stuff and they spend
  • 00:23:57
    all the time in the FL flash cards and
  • 00:23:59
    and and that is where the problem lies
  • 00:24:01
    right because that then makes makes it
  • 00:24:03
    tough for you you never speak you don't
  • 00:24:05
    listen whatever it is or that's it's at
  • 00:24:06
    a small percentage you know and so I
  • 00:24:08
    think that's a thing but one reason I
  • 00:24:10
    wanted to bring up the time frame is cuz
  • 00:24:11
    you mentioned these four things you know
  • 00:24:13
    what was it listening and reading
  • 00:24:15
    writing and speaking deliberate learning
  • 00:24:16
    and then fluency
  • 00:24:18
    development what about the time frame
  • 00:24:21
    where do you put and how are you going
  • 00:24:22
    to structure when you're going to learn
  • 00:24:24
    this language how much time you spend to
  • 00:24:26
    learn right so so you're speaking about
  • 00:24:29
    the the ratio not necessarily the total
  • 00:24:31
    duration of of timer not the total
  • 00:24:33
    duration if you had to break down what
  • 00:24:34
    you're going to spend each day on
  • 00:24:35
    learning the language how much time are
  • 00:24:37
    you going to spend or going to aim to
  • 00:24:38
    spend right so I should mention that
  • 00:24:41
    these four categories that I didn't
  • 00:24:43
    invent them again it's from Professor
  • 00:24:45
    Paul nation and in his book he calls
  • 00:24:48
    them the four strands and there is
  • 00:24:51
    no I mean there's no scientific evidence
  • 00:24:54
    for the four strands in the sense that
  • 00:24:57
    there is SCI ific evidence for the
  • 00:24:59
    activities included in the four strands
  • 00:25:01
    but you know grouping them like that as
  • 00:25:03
    four strands it's a bit you know it's
  • 00:25:06
    just his own sort of opinion what he
  • 00:25:08
    says is that well if you want to learn a
  • 00:25:10
    language then you should spend about an
  • 00:25:12
    equal amount of time in these categories
  • 00:25:14
    so 25% in input 25% output 25% uh
  • 00:25:18
    deliberate learning and 25% fluency
  • 00:25:22
    development however the the caveat here
  • 00:25:24
    is and he mentions it in his book and
  • 00:25:27
    that's what I'm going to do pretty much
  • 00:25:29
    is the important thing is that you need
  • 00:25:31
    to think about your own use cases like
  • 00:25:34
    how are you going to use a language and
  • 00:25:37
    specifically for me you know if I want
  • 00:25:38
    to talk with people in this language
  • 00:25:40
    then you know it doesn't really make a
  • 00:25:44
    lot of sense to do a lot of writing for
  • 00:25:46
    example and as I mentioned you know
  • 00:25:47
    fluency development if I want to get
  • 00:25:50
    started very you know just uh learn the
  • 00:25:52
    language and not necessarily be very
  • 00:25:55
    fluent with the language then I can just
  • 00:25:57
    ignore this so it's really up to you to
  • 00:26:00
    spend you know as much time as you want
  • 00:26:02
    on the different strands depending on
  • 00:26:04
    your need specifically in my case what I
  • 00:26:07
    would say is that speaking is definitely
  • 00:26:10
    going to be uh um an important component
  • 00:26:13
    because at the end of the day I mean I'm
  • 00:26:14
    going to make a YouTube video showing my
  • 00:26:16
    results if I can't speak you know it
  • 00:26:19
    looks it doesn't look very good so
  • 00:26:22
    speaking is going to be important but
  • 00:26:25
    what is keeping me awake at night more
  • 00:26:28
    speaking is the listening cuz what I
  • 00:26:30
    think I'm going to do is that I'm going
  • 00:26:32
    to go on I don't know I talk here or
  • 00:26:34
    whatever with a a teacher and shoot just
  • 00:26:37
    the conversation no cuts and the person
  • 00:26:39
    is just going to ask me questions in
  • 00:26:41
    whatever the language is and if I just
  • 00:26:44
    don't understand what the other person
  • 00:26:46
    says then it doesn't look good either
  • 00:26:49
    right so yeah speaking and listening and
  • 00:26:52
    also I think um deliberate learning is
  • 00:26:56
    is important because in my specific
  • 00:26:58
    specific case and I think for a lot of
  • 00:26:59
    people I know what the conversation is
  • 00:27:02
    going to be about approximately right
  • 00:27:05
    we're probably going to talk about like
  • 00:27:07
    basic stuff like hobbies and how did you
  • 00:27:10
    learn this language and stuff so this is
  • 00:27:12
    stuff where I can actually take a look
  • 00:27:14
    at the vocabulary that I'm probably
  • 00:27:16
    going to be using and deliberately learn
  • 00:27:18
    it so yeah this would be my sort of
  • 00:27:21
    split my routine I
  • 00:27:24
    guess uh but do you have an idea of how
  • 00:27:26
    much time you're going to spend every
  • 00:27:27
    day in order in order to do it like 3
  • 00:27:30
    hours 4 hours 1 hour yeah so I'm
  • 00:27:34
    planning on doing about I'm thinking
  • 00:27:36
    either 3 months or 6 months we'll we'll
  • 00:27:39
    see how it goes but the goal is also for
  • 00:27:41
    me to do something that is at least
  • 00:27:45
    somewhat realistic for people to
  • 00:27:46
    replicate so let's say three months and
  • 00:27:48
    then every day I'm putting myself at a
  • 00:27:52
    maximum of two hours of really like
  • 00:27:54
    active study which is it's still a lot
  • 00:27:57
    of time for most people like you have a
  • 00:27:59
    full-time job you have kids you have uh
  • 00:28:01
    I don't know like a mortgage to pay so
  • 00:28:03
    you know you have a their yeah exactly
  • 00:28:05
    so two hours is the it's really like Max
  • 00:28:09
    I'm saying two hours of active study so
  • 00:28:10
    it could be you know you just do one
  • 00:28:12
    hour and then you compensate on you
  • 00:28:13
    makeup for it on weekends it's a lot but
  • 00:28:16
    I think for a 3mon sort of period it's
  • 00:28:19
    okay you can still you know be pretty
  • 00:28:20
    intense about it and at the end of the 3
  • 00:28:23
    months then you just uh stop the 2 hours
  • 00:28:25
    so 2 hours of active study and the
  • 00:28:27
    reason why I mentioned active study is
  • 00:28:29
    because there's also some passive stuff
  • 00:28:31
    so when you're commuting when you're
  • 00:28:32
    clean cleaning and stuff this would be a
  • 00:28:35
    lot of
  • 00:28:36
    listening so in total I would estimate
  • 00:28:39
    that definitely 2 hours daily of active
  • 00:28:41
    study and probably you know around two
  • 00:28:44
    hours of let's say just listening which
  • 00:28:46
    in my opinion is easy to do you have two
  • 00:28:48
    hours of just commuting and just
  • 00:28:51
    cleaning and stuff that's great I mean
  • 00:28:53
    yeah I mean that would put your Active
  • 00:28:54
    Learning let's just you know if we
  • 00:28:55
    guesstimate this at 240 hours after
  • 00:28:58
    three 3 months but if you then add on
  • 00:29:00
    some passive to that you know right
  • 00:29:02
    you're at 480 you know and that's 500
  • 00:29:04
    hours basically of language learning you
  • 00:29:07
    know if done consistently with Focus
  • 00:29:11
    within your use case I'm going to be
  • 00:29:13
    honest I just all of the people you know
  • 00:29:15
    you've had on and that I've had on and
  • 00:29:17
    all this stuff if we boil it down to
  • 00:29:19
    that right there like if we boil it down
  • 00:29:21
    to this and we go to any average
  • 00:29:22
    language learner and go okay guess what
  • 00:29:24
    Lewis and Will are going to do for the
  • 00:29:26
    next 3 months they're going to study
  • 00:29:28
    about 500 hours and they're going to
  • 00:29:30
    spend two of this have you done that and
  • 00:29:33
    the answer will be no right and so
  • 00:29:35
    everybody's still out there searching
  • 00:29:37
    for the best thing and the best this and
  • 00:29:39
    the best that we're just you know if you
  • 00:29:40
    just kind of boil it down to to this
  • 00:29:43
    that's what needs to happen right and I
  • 00:29:46
    know we there's going to be caveats and
  • 00:29:48
    nuances for every sort of thing out
  • 00:29:51
    there but at the end of the day that's
  • 00:29:53
    it and it's still like no one can do
  • 00:29:55
    that no one can make you study or me
  • 00:29:56
    study you have to study and that's just
  • 00:29:58
    kind of how it is and so I think I
  • 00:30:00
    wanted to talk about because your best
  • 00:30:02
    use case and like knowing your and why
  • 00:30:04
    you want to learn and what you want to
  • 00:30:05
    do I think is is fantastic within
  • 00:30:08
    learning people forget about this and
  • 00:30:10
    that's going to lead to my next question
  • 00:30:11
    but before that I wanted to discuss how
  • 00:30:13
    you're going to maybe ignore a little
  • 00:30:14
    bit about writing I don't want to
  • 00:30:15
    misquote you but is that are you going
  • 00:30:16
    to kind of put it to the small amount of
  • 00:30:19
    writing or none at all because you're
  • 00:30:20
    learning to speak that's right so
  • 00:30:23
    writing I'm not going to focus on it at
  • 00:30:25
    all or maybe a little bit I'm not really
  • 00:30:27
    sure but I'm going to use writing most
  • 00:30:30
    likely specifically in my for example in
  • 00:30:32
    my decks my the an Decks that I made I
  • 00:30:35
    changed the layout so that you use you
  • 00:30:38
    know the the word in English appears and
  • 00:30:40
    then you have to write down the word in
  • 00:30:43
    whatever language it is that that you
  • 00:30:44
    have the deck in so there is going to be
  • 00:30:46
    some writing but not as extensively as
  • 00:30:49
    you know just like in school where we do
  • 00:30:52
    a lot of writing and so on okay okay you
  • 00:30:55
    know I I find it funny because I don't
  • 00:30:57
    write lot at the beginning of Learning a
  • 00:30:59
    language right specifically with my hand
  • 00:31:01
    and stuff MH as I've reached a more
  • 00:31:04
    intermediate stage that's where that
  • 00:31:06
    comes out because I feel that it makes
  • 00:31:08
    you have the ability to pull a stream of
  • 00:31:10
    Consciousness and kind of write in your
  • 00:31:12
    thoughts and a journal and stuff like
  • 00:31:14
    this at the beginning though I find that
  • 00:31:17
    texting like typing to people and
  • 00:31:19
    texting on things is fantastic because
  • 00:31:22
    our autocorrect and all the stuff that
  • 00:31:23
    we have on our phones lets you cheat a
  • 00:31:25
    little bit but what it does is it lets
  • 00:31:27
    yeah it lets you kind of have that
  • 00:31:28
    communication and then you kind of can
  • 00:31:31
    do it like you get to get a little
  • 00:31:32
    helper the grammar it fixes your grammar
  • 00:31:35
    if you guess at a word and spell it
  • 00:31:37
    wrong it probably corrects it for you
  • 00:31:39
    and so you know you have all this help
  • 00:31:40
    and so I've noticed at the beginning
  • 00:31:42
    that I kind of push people to text a
  • 00:31:45
    little and also it takes away some of
  • 00:31:46
    the anxiety Factor you're not speaking
  • 00:31:49
    they can't see you you know you can go
  • 00:31:52
    check it on chat GPT if you want to be
  • 00:31:54
    extra careful then you're at least
  • 00:31:56
    engaging in the language and so that's
  • 00:31:57
    his me but uh that's interesting yeah
  • 00:32:01
    yeah okay yeah do you want to comment on
  • 00:32:04
    that you never yeah no I I think I um I
  • 00:32:07
    never really thought too much about this
  • 00:32:09
    because I'm not a big uh texter or
  • 00:32:11
    anything but actually now that you now
  • 00:32:13
    that you mention it it could be sort of
  • 00:32:15
    a like training for you know then
  • 00:32:18
    speaking where you speaking is just you
  • 00:32:21
    have to come up with stuff uh live but
  • 00:32:24
    then yeah I'll definitely think about
  • 00:32:26
    this it's interesting it's it's
  • 00:32:28
    interesting it's what I what I found you
  • 00:32:29
    know everybody has their Quirk and their
  • 00:32:31
    thing that that that is tough for them
  • 00:32:33
    to do Etc and at the end of the day just
  • 00:32:35
    like we we said you need to be engaged
  • 00:32:36
    and you need to be either you know
  • 00:32:38
    Finding ways to be active and passive
  • 00:32:39
    within the language what are your
  • 00:32:41
    thoughts on du lingo and I'm not even
  • 00:32:44
    going to preface it with anything just
  • 00:32:45
    tell me your thoughts on dualingo well
  • 00:32:47
    so I did use dualingo back when I was
  • 00:32:51
    probably what do you call a second year
  • 00:32:53
    of college there's freshman and then
  • 00:32:55
    sopore
  • 00:32:56
    sophomore right sophomore more year of
  • 00:32:58
    college so I used it because I was sort
  • 00:33:01
    of I mean I was learning Italian so I
  • 00:33:04
    used it for Italian I also I had a brief
  • 00:33:07
    period when I wanted to learn Spanish my
  • 00:33:10
    greatest Nemesis because I mean just
  • 00:33:13
    long story short when I was in school at
  • 00:33:15
    high school and and before high school I
  • 00:33:16
    studied Spanish for 5 years and I mean
  • 00:33:20
    it was just a disaster and you know most
  • 00:33:22
    of it is just my own fault I was really
  • 00:33:24
    not motivated and so on but so yeah I
  • 00:33:27
    did use du lingo so I'm just going to
  • 00:33:29
    preface the the whole thing with that I
  • 00:33:31
    think there there have been updates to
  • 00:33:35
    dual lingo so it's not quite the same
  • 00:33:36
    cuz we're talking about a little bit
  • 00:33:39
    less than 10 years
  • 00:33:41
    ago but I think overall seeing at least
  • 00:33:46
    what I've seen online and my own
  • 00:33:47
    experience I think it's fine but to me
  • 00:33:51
    the problem is like first of all the
  • 00:33:53
    incentive of dual lingo you have to
  • 00:33:55
    think about that right so when you buy a
  • 00:33:58
    language learning app for example I
  • 00:34:00
    don't know like something that is paid
  • 00:34:02
    for then okay they get money when you
  • 00:34:04
    buy but with dual lingo the model is
  • 00:34:06
    very much uh I think there's the super
  • 00:34:08
    dual lingo thing where you can buy the
  • 00:34:11
    subscription but really the main
  • 00:34:13
    business model is ADS right they make
  • 00:34:16
    money on ads and so you know it's just
  • 00:34:19
    like Facebook it's just like Instagram
  • 00:34:21
    and Tik Tok and whatever young people
  • 00:34:23
    use these days they want to keep you on
  • 00:34:25
    the site and in the app so you can see
  • 00:34:27
    as many app as possible which is fine
  • 00:34:29
    but then you know the extent to which
  • 00:34:32
    this is aligned with your goal of
  • 00:34:35
    learning a language that's debatable so
  • 00:34:38
    they have this constant sort of war
  • 00:34:40
    between we want you to learn a language
  • 00:34:41
    but we want you to spend as much time on
  • 00:34:43
    the app so it wouldn't be surprising for
  • 00:34:46
    me if they use you know tricks to just
  • 00:34:48
    get you to the app but I mean these
  • 00:34:50
    tricks are not necessarily benefiting
  • 00:34:52
    your language learning that's why you
  • 00:34:54
    get always the reminders about you know
  • 00:34:56
    the owl that that says hey have you
  • 00:34:58
    studied today and I mean consistency is
  • 00:35:00
    great but does it align with your
  • 00:35:03
    language learning I don't know and then
  • 00:35:05
    there there's also something to say
  • 00:35:07
    about I think I looked at you know the
  • 00:35:09
    number of words like the vocabulary
  • 00:35:11
    there that is covered by dual lingo it's
  • 00:35:13
    fine you know I mean you can get started
  • 00:35:15
    with dual lingo but there's no way that
  • 00:35:16
    you can just go through the entire thing
  • 00:35:19
    and be fluent I mean that's it and then
  • 00:35:22
    you know I I think there's also
  • 00:35:24
    something to say about the the type the
  • 00:35:27
    types of people that do dual lingo I
  • 00:35:29
    mean not criticizing or anything but
  • 00:35:31
    dual lingo is so popular and usually
  • 00:35:33
    people who really think about learning
  • 00:35:36
    languages they're going to you know do
  • 00:35:39
    their own thing and do more let's say
  • 00:35:41
    customized they have a more customized
  • 00:35:43
    approach when you go and study with an
  • 00:35:46
    app it's very you're very limited
  • 00:35:49
    personally I don't really like learning
  • 00:35:51
    with you know very sort of like dual
  • 00:35:53
    lingu and these types of things because
  • 00:35:56
    I know what I have to do to get the
  • 00:35:58
    vocabulary and and become fluent it's
  • 00:36:00
    not that they're bad but I have my own
  • 00:36:02
    thing that I want to do
  • 00:36:04
    so yeah yeah I mean it's in many ways it
  • 00:36:07
    can it can be a complex subject
  • 00:36:09
    understanding the whether or not
  • 00:36:10
    dualingo is helpful or or not but yeah I
  • 00:36:13
    think you've you've hit it on the head I
  • 00:36:14
    think most once again not criticizing
  • 00:36:16
    serious language Learners wouldn't look
  • 00:36:18
    there first to figure it out because of
  • 00:36:21
    the things that we talked about already
  • 00:36:22
    you know about how you need to be custom
  • 00:36:25
    you need to be customizing your your
  • 00:36:26
    language learning where you need to be
  • 00:36:28
    spending your time you spend a lot of
  • 00:36:30
    time translating things into your mother
  • 00:36:32
    tongue in dual language or reading your
  • 00:36:33
    mother tongue or at least English so not
  • 00:36:36
    not as much time in your target language
  • 00:36:37
    and that I think gets to be a problem I
  • 00:36:39
    want to go back real quick because I
  • 00:36:41
    know you did say listing is going to be
  • 00:36:43
    so huge we've talked a little about
  • 00:36:45
    intensive and extensive reading but I'm
  • 00:36:47
    kind of curious what are you going to
  • 00:36:49
    read if you if you do choose read how do
  • 00:36:52
    you choose it because that's something I
  • 00:36:53
    know people have a hard time doing and
  • 00:36:56
    you may not spend a whole lot of time
  • 00:36:57
    doing but when you choose to read and
  • 00:36:58
    you're learning a new language like what
  • 00:37:01
    what do you
  • 00:37:02
    do yeah so this is a bit problematic
  • 00:37:05
    because I think the the approach for me
  • 00:37:08
    at least has been drastically different
  • 00:37:10
    like between uh so for example you know
  • 00:37:13
    Italian and and Japanese because Italian
  • 00:37:16
    you know very easy language to to learn
  • 00:37:18
    for English speakers Japanese it's like
  • 00:37:20
    one of the hardest language and there's
  • 00:37:23
    completely different writing system for
  • 00:37:26
    languages that are very hard like
  • 00:37:28
    Japanese or not even like with a
  • 00:37:30
    different alphabet I'm thinking of let's
  • 00:37:32
    see what's a hard language with a Latin
  • 00:37:34
    alphabet I mean I I don't know German is
  • 00:37:37
    not like super hard but it's it's a lot
  • 00:37:39
    harder than than Italian for example if
  • 00:37:42
    I pick up a book in German as someone
  • 00:37:45
    who's been learning German for a
  • 00:37:47
    month well you know this is not going to
  • 00:37:50
    be comprehensible at all I'm just not
  • 00:37:52
    really going to understand anything so I
  • 00:37:55
    would probably need to get some material
  • 00:37:58
    that is more at my level so you know the
  • 00:38:00
    the people I've interviewed talk a lot
  • 00:38:02
    about graded readers in German the thing
  • 00:38:04
    is with graded readers and all these
  • 00:38:06
    kinds of you know Learning Materials
  • 00:38:08
    they're just boring a lot of time or at
  • 00:38:10
    least they're not tailored to your
  • 00:38:12
    interests and that's when I think using
  • 00:38:15
    AI now I mean it's just uh it's so great
  • 00:38:17
    I mean you can get such a lot of written
  • 00:38:19
    input for for free and at the right
  • 00:38:22
    level for you so I would probably use
  • 00:38:24
    that for easier languages that are more
  • 00:38:28
    similar to English like Spanish and
  • 00:38:30
    Italian you can actually get started at
  • 00:38:32
    least that's what I do with just normal
  • 00:38:34
    books that you would get you know for
  • 00:38:36
    native speakers specifically what I do
  • 00:38:38
    for Italian I have a actually I have a
  • 00:38:41
    book here in Italian that I I bought a
  • 00:38:43
    long time ago I don't know if if you can
  • 00:38:44
    see it here yeah it's a cal Newport okay
  • 00:38:49
    cool yeah so it's a book that typically
  • 00:38:51
    that's what I do I get books that I read
  • 00:38:54
    in English so this one I think is is
  • 00:38:57
    called you Cal Newport so the author of
  • 00:38:59
    of deepor it's like so good they can't
  • 00:39:01
    ignore you so I I get the same book that
  • 00:39:03
    I read in English and I get it in
  • 00:39:06
    Italian and so what this does is okay so
  • 00:39:09
    maybe it's a little bit difficult but
  • 00:39:11
    because English is so close to Italian
  • 00:39:15
    then there's there are lots of words
  • 00:39:16
    that I can guess number one and number
  • 00:39:19
    two I've read the book so I know what
  • 00:39:21
    it's about and so a lot of it I can
  • 00:39:23
    guess from Context and it's really
  • 00:39:25
    interesting to me even though it's not
  • 00:39:27
    completely comprehensible input in the
  • 00:39:29
    sense that it's maybe you know way above
  • 00:39:33
    my head but because I can understand a
  • 00:39:35
    lot of it and I I really like it then
  • 00:39:37
    that's what I would go for honestly yeah
  • 00:39:40
    that's great I mean it goes back to the
  • 00:39:41
    very first thing that we were talking
  • 00:39:42
    about I mean that desire and passion
  • 00:39:43
    mean you like the subject you read it
  • 00:39:45
    already and so that allows you to push
  • 00:39:48
    past some of those words or go look them
  • 00:39:50
    up if you need to in order to keep going
  • 00:39:52
    you you hit the nail them oh actually I
  • 00:39:54
    wanted to mention have you heard of the
  • 00:39:56
    show Extra
  • 00:39:58
    extra no I'm not sure what what is that
  • 00:40:00
    so extra is a series let's call it the
  • 00:40:03
    like a and I never watched friends so I
  • 00:40:05
    don't really know this but this is what
  • 00:40:06
    how I describe it the best a cringey
  • 00:40:08
    friends for language Learners and it's a
  • 00:40:10
    series they did in Spanish I think they
  • 00:40:12
    did it also for English Learners French
  • 00:40:16
    German I'm not sure if they have Italian
  • 00:40:17
    I don't think there is an Italian but
  • 00:40:19
    they did it for at least those languages
  • 00:40:21
    and it is based off of comprehensible
  • 00:40:24
    input I mean imagine if a series was
  • 00:40:25
    done just for that it's kind of lingo
  • 00:40:27
    pie I know you know as well right and
  • 00:40:29
    they do a lot of stuff like this but
  • 00:40:31
    this was well before obviously lingo Pai
  • 00:40:33
    and well before all of that um stuff
  • 00:40:35
    it's pretty cool um and so for people
  • 00:40:38
    looking to try and like what series
  • 00:40:40
    could I watch you can watch that on day
  • 00:40:43
    one you know episode one day one you can
  • 00:40:46
    watch it and then as of course it goes
  • 00:40:47
    through episode to 10 or 12 or whatever
  • 00:40:50
    it gets more complex let's say right so
  • 00:40:53
    I just wanted to mention that but you
  • 00:40:54
    you touched on AI and I'm curious how
  • 00:40:56
    are you going to imp ment any of all of
  • 00:40:59
    AI into your your language learning now
  • 00:41:02
    so yeah up until now I've been I mean up
  • 00:41:04
    until probably six months ago I was just
  • 00:41:07
    unimpressed with AI and I didn't really
  • 00:41:09
    look into it but I got introduced to AI
  • 00:41:12
    through my work as a software developer
  • 00:41:15
    and um I mean I I have to say I'm a
  • 00:41:17
    little bit worried that in 10 years I'm
  • 00:41:19
    not going to have a job honestly so I
  • 00:41:21
    should do some you know investing and
  • 00:41:23
    stuff but anyway so the AI part yeah I
  • 00:41:27
    I think it's really impressive and it is
  • 00:41:29
    really a game changer I made a video
  • 00:41:31
    that I think I deleted because now I
  • 00:41:33
    think it's stupid titled AI is is not
  • 00:41:36
    going to change anything or something
  • 00:41:37
    like that because I really think I
  • 00:41:39
    really thought that back then but I
  • 00:41:41
    think I deleted the video it's stupid it
  • 00:41:43
    is a game changer so the way that I use
  • 00:41:46
    it in my learning so first of all I
  • 00:41:48
    don't know if people are aware but the
  • 00:41:50
    the anex that I made they use AI
  • 00:41:53
    extensively obviously it's not
  • 00:41:55
    interactive or anything but each word
  • 00:41:57
    has an example sentence it has aonic
  • 00:42:01
    using the qword technique it has a word
  • 00:42:03
    part analysis all of these things have
  • 00:42:05
    been generated by AI there's no way that
  • 00:42:07
    I could you know manually or hire
  • 00:42:09
    someone a Japanese person to generate
  • 00:42:12
    this for 8,000 to 11,000 cards it would
  • 00:42:15
    be way too expensive yeah so this is
  • 00:42:18
    generated by Ai and most of the time
  • 00:42:20
    it's it's really good obviously there
  • 00:42:22
    are a few cards where it's it's not
  • 00:42:24
    great but for the most part it's really
  • 00:42:26
    good so I'm going to using this the
  • 00:42:27
    flashcards which do use AI then for for
  • 00:42:31
    listening as well I do plan on on on
  • 00:42:34
    using I don't know chat GPT or some
  • 00:42:37
    other AI for just doing a lot of
  • 00:42:39
    listening because then I can ask
  • 00:42:41
    questions and really get tailored sort
  • 00:42:43
    of listening based on my own
  • 00:42:45
    interests the thing here and I don't
  • 00:42:48
    know if you've had this experience but
  • 00:42:50
    when you talk to chat GPT at least in
  • 00:42:53
    Japanese and I suppose in other
  • 00:42:55
    languages it answers in perfect Japanese
  • 00:42:58
    but with it's like an American person
  • 00:43:00
    like there there is an American accent
  • 00:43:02
    an English accent in perfect Japanese
  • 00:43:05
    it's like an American person who lives
  • 00:43:07
    who has been living in Japan since
  • 00:43:09
    they're like 20 so I'm not really sure
  • 00:43:11
    how to to address this issue but I still
  • 00:43:14
    think in spite of the accent it's worth
  • 00:43:16
    using in terms of listening because it's
  • 00:43:18
    so tailored to you know like you're
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    having a conversation it's all about the
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    things that you like at your level as
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    well there is an American accent but oh
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    well you know I guess um we'll have to
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    to work with that and apart from this oh
  • 00:43:32
    yes and I mentioned the an activity for
  • 00:43:34
    speaking rehearsed or memorized speeches
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    memorized sentences all of these are you
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    know I just write it write like the
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    English version and I tell chat GPT well
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    translate this to me in you know like B1
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    level in this language and so all of
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    this uses AI so I guess I'm using AI
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    extensively now yeah you're right I mean
  • 00:43:56
    it's such a huge tool and it's a game
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    Cher If you know how to utilize some of
  • 00:44:02
    the the tools if I was going to take
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    someone who' never learned a language
  • 00:44:04
    and said here here's ai go go for it I
  • 00:44:07
    don't think that they would have much
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    success because they'd still have the
  • 00:44:10
    same issues of not knowing what to do
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    that being said we are not yet at the
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    point where I can I would tell anyone to
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    eliminate good language teacher that's a
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    human I don't know when but I'm with you
  • 00:44:22
    like who knows what's going to happen
  • 00:44:24
    over the course of these these years but
  • 00:44:26
    right now it's just so clearly not
  • 00:44:28
    better than native speaker who interacts
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    and is within the world that we're not
  • 00:44:32
    close it's not close like at all but it
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    is it is tremendous what you can
  • 00:44:39
    do I want to touch just a little bit if
  • 00:44:41
    we if we can if you can remember when
  • 00:44:43
    you were trying to learn your your first
  • 00:44:45
    language which was Italian right we've
  • 00:44:47
    talked about this now guess was that the
  • 00:44:49
    first or Spanish Engish yeah or English
  • 00:44:51
    Okay okay so well okay we'll we'll we'll
  • 00:44:53
    push past English given its status
  • 00:44:55
    within the world did you have have your
  • 00:44:57
    end goal in mind like did you know that
  • 00:44:59
    you were trying to aim with Italian did
  • 00:45:02
    you know you were trying to aim for
  • 00:45:03
    stuff or did you focus only on being
  • 00:45:06
    able to have your first conversation
  • 00:45:07
    because I I hear
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    people that start with I'm going to do
  • 00:45:12
    this and read this book by this time and
  • 00:45:14
    other people who are just like if I
  • 00:45:16
    could just say a couple things it'd be
  • 00:45:18
    great what do you you know where do you
  • 00:45:20
    find to be the best there right for
  • 00:45:23
    Italian for for instance I'm not really
  • 00:45:26
    sure this is a good mindset to have and
  • 00:45:28
    I'm not sure that most people can have
  • 00:45:30
    this mindset I was just overconfident I
  • 00:45:34
    think I thought well you know asml they
  • 00:45:37
    say on the book cover you know you're
  • 00:45:39
    going to be I don't know what it was
  • 00:45:41
    maybe B2 level and then I get the C1
  • 00:45:43
    book well that's what I'm going to be
  • 00:45:45
    right and uh it didn't really help that
  • 00:45:49
    actually my grandmother who is a Swiss a
  • 00:45:52
    Swiss German she said yeah I I used you
  • 00:45:55
    know asmil extensively when I was
  • 00:45:57
    working at the Swiss post office where
  • 00:46:00
    you have to you know answer the phone in
  • 00:46:01
    different languages and it just worked
  • 00:46:03
    so I was like okay well I guess it works
  • 00:46:05
    so I'm going to be C1 in Italian once I
  • 00:46:07
    just finish the books so this was my my
  • 00:46:10
    mindset I to me I was very naive
  • 00:46:12
    obviously so my goal was just finish the
  • 00:46:15
    books and you're going to be C1 that's
  • 00:46:18
    it and I guess this was one goal the
  • 00:46:20
    other goal for me was just being able to
  • 00:46:23
    speak in Italian with the other Italian
  • 00:46:25
    speakers in my school that was the goal
  • 00:46:28
    and also I guess it sounds a little bit
  • 00:46:30
    stupid but one of my main sources of
  • 00:46:32
    input for Italian was Master Chef Master
  • 00:46:36
    Chef Italia yeah um and I just thought
  • 00:46:39
    yeah I I want to speak like this I don't
  • 00:46:41
    remember the name of the the judges but
  • 00:46:43
    yeah that's cool I think my mentality
  • 00:46:46
    with Italian is very similar because I
  • 00:46:48
    have absolutely no idea why I wanted to
  • 00:46:52
    learn truly like it just I have a deep
  • 00:46:55
    desire to learn you know and continue
  • 00:46:57
    learning Italian with I had there's zero
  • 00:47:00
    goal like there zero thing at the end
  • 00:47:02
    like be able to do this I had none of
  • 00:47:04
    that is just like all right for the rest
  • 00:47:05
    of my life I'm going to just study this
  • 00:47:07
    horrible horrible advice for any I'm not
  • 00:47:10
    advising anyone to just commit their
  • 00:47:12
    life to learning this this language
  • 00:47:14
    however if you do pick that pick up that
  • 00:47:17
    bug you're pretty much Unstoppable just
  • 00:47:19
    to be perfectly honest nothing's really
  • 00:47:22
    going to phase you you're going to go
  • 00:47:23
    through the the dips and the downs and
  • 00:47:24
    you're not going to be able to maybe
  • 00:47:26
    study sometime and you're not going to
  • 00:47:27
    be able to understand some stuff but it
  • 00:47:29
    just won't phase you you and so that's
  • 00:47:32
    cool maybe if we and we've got just a
  • 00:47:35
    couple we'll save it maybe we'll save it
  • 00:47:37
    for next time because I'm really curious
  • 00:47:38
    about what you're what you're learning
  • 00:47:39
    so you're going to have to come back on
  • 00:47:40
    in order to discuss what it is that
  • 00:47:42
    you're doing how it goes we'll you know
  • 00:47:44
    we'll we'll get a whole de debrief in
  • 00:47:46
    there and we'll we'll talk about what
  • 00:47:47
    you're what you're doing and I don't
  • 00:47:49
    know this but if I happen to do you know
  • 00:47:52
    if I speak any the language that you're
  • 00:47:55
    learning I believe so yeah yeah yeah no
  • 00:47:57
    actually I'm pretty sure I would love
  • 00:47:59
    then I would you come on after you've
  • 00:48:00
    done your your stuff and do that stuff
  • 00:48:02
    we'll come and we'll we'll bring people
  • 00:48:03
    to you and it would be great it would be
  • 00:48:05
    great to to chat it up and i' would love
  • 00:48:07
    to you know pick your brain because
  • 00:48:09
    somebody so so so well you know focused
  • 00:48:12
    on on learning you're going to pick up
  • 00:48:13
    on a bunch of little stuff here you know
  • 00:48:16
    on on doing it so yeah that be so cool
  • 00:48:18
    yeah in three months or in in a few
  • 00:48:20
    months we can definitely uh do this yeah
  • 00:48:22
    totally totally okay yeah excited for it
  • 00:48:24
    yeah when when you put it out and when
  • 00:48:26
    you let everybody know which is do you
  • 00:48:27
    know yet when you're going to tell
  • 00:48:28
    everybody um I'm
  • 00:48:30
    thinking I'm not going to say anything
  • 00:48:33
    uh till when I'm finished essentially so
  • 00:48:36
    minimum of 12 weeks I'm thinking yeah 12
  • 00:48:39
    weeks maybe up to 20 weeks okay all
  • 00:48:42
    right so sometime next year obvious this
  • 00:48:44
    this beginning more or less beginning
  • 00:48:45
    part okay that's right well excellent
  • 00:48:47
    excellent listen other than your YouTube
  • 00:48:49
    channel is there anywhere else you want
  • 00:48:50
    us to send people we'll link to
  • 00:48:52
    everything that you also have but is
  • 00:48:53
    there anywhere else that might be better
  • 00:48:55
    to link people to so there's my YouTube
  • 00:48:57
    channel if you want to take a look at
  • 00:49:00
    the anidex that I made it's anord de.com
  • 00:49:03
    you can take a look there and yeah the
  • 00:49:06
    the YouTube is really the main thing
  • 00:49:07
    where I interview uh researchers in the
  • 00:49:10
    field of of language
  • 00:49:11
    learning okay L it's been great as
  • 00:49:15
    always I'm looking forward to this
  • 00:49:17
    challenge you'll have to come back on
  • 00:49:19
    and uh yeah thanks for thanks for hey
  • 00:49:21
    thank you so much
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