An in-depth review of how to conduct a neurological exam in the veterinary patient
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TLDRThe session covers fundamentals and practical applications of neurological exams, primarily used for diagnosing neurologic cases in animals. Key elements include assessing mentation, cranial nerves, gait, reflexes, and proprioception without needing advanced equipment. The video emphasizes the significance of consistent methodology in exams to avoid omissions and discusses the process of determining lesion localization before addressing the neurological differential diagnosis. It illustrates various cases, explains common neurological terms like ataxia and paresis, and elaborates on interpreting reflex results, distinguishing between different types of lesions, including intracranial, spinal cord, and those affecting the peripheral nervous system. Numerous examples and insights into responses to different stimuli and normal versus abnormal results are provided to underline best practices and common conditions encountered during tests. The later part involves analysis of actual patient cases, emphasizing interpretation of their neurological exams and the appropriate course of veterinary diagnostic and treatment follow-ups. This intensive review aims to equip the practitioners with an understanding of thorough neurological examinations and subsequent actions based on the information deduced.
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- ๐ง Understanding the neurological exam helps in diagnosing neurological cases.
- ๐พ No fancy equipment is needed; a light source, reflex hammer, and non-slip surface are useful.
- ๐ก Localization of lesion is crucial before considering differentials.
- ๐ Differentiating between ataxia and paresis is essential as they indicate different conditions.
- ๐ Observing a patientโs free movement reveals more accurate neurological signs.
- ๐ฆ Consistent order of checks helps in not missing any part of the neurological exam.
- ๐ Reflexes: Presence rather than the degree of response is more important for diagnosis.
- ๐ง Assessing cranial nerves involves checking menace response, PLR, and facial sensation.
- ๐ Why checking proprioception accurately is critical, often involves repeated tests if needed.
- ๐ฆด Discusses practical case studies to illustrate various neurological conditions.
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- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The talk begins with an overview of the neurological exam, emphasizing its importance for identifying neurological issues in animals. The exam involves assessing several areas including mentation, posture, cranial nerves, gait, and proprioceptive reactions. Tools needed include a light source and a reflex hammer. The goal is to localize lesions before discussing differentials.
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For the neurological exam, it is recommended to observe the animal in a room freely, away from the owners to ensure natural behavior is captured. Various aspects like gait, cranial nerve function, and proprioception are assessed. When testing proprioception, positioning each leg individually helps, especially in smaller animals. Reflexes are also tested to detect any neurological issues.
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Various types of paresis or plegia are defined according to which limbs are affected. Specific neurological terms like ataxia and paresis are distinguished. The exam must be thorough, covering cranial nerve checks and proprioceptive testing, and identifying specific reflex reactions that might indicate neurological problems.
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In examining reflexes, withdrawal and patellar reflexes are noted, as they provide insight into upper and lower motor neuron diseases. These help in assessing the state of the nervous system, specifically noting depressions in reflexes indicative of nerve issues such as neuropathy. Reflexes and muscle tone help localize neurologic lesions.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Once the neurological exam is completed, the focus shifts to lesion localization, determining whether the problem is intracranial or involves the spinal cord. Intracranial signs differ based on forebrain versus brainstem or cerebellum involvement. Peripheral nervous system problems may involve muscles or nerves and manifest in specific symptoms.
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Forebrain lesions typically present with mentation changes and normal gait but may include circling and visual deficits. Cats and dogs may show specific signs like circling or ignoring stimuli on one side due to brain lesions. Differentiating these presentations is crucial for accurate diagnosis.
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Brainstem lesions result in significant ataxia or paresis. Clinical signs involve cranial nerves 3 through 12 and result in noticeable balance issues or head tilts. Cerebellar lesions lead to ataxia without weakness, featuring dysmetria and occasional vestibular signs. Such lesions require distinguishing between central and peripheral problems.
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Vestibular diseases present with head tilts and nystagmus, helping to identify between central or peripheral origins. Central vestibular symptoms might include additional cranial nerve issues or proprioceptive deficits, whereas peripheral usually involves concurrent Horner's syndrome. Differences in signs dictate treatment paths.
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Spinal cord lesions are discussed next, ranging from the cervical spine to sacral spine, each presenting distinct reflex and gait changes. Upper cervical lesions result in normal or heightened reflexes, while lower and thoracic regions might show unique gait patterns like "two-engine" gait with affected proprioception or reflexes.
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T3-L3 lesions often result in normal forelimb function but can show severe hindlimb weakness. Unique signs include Sherrington posture and different reactions based on lesion location. Incontinence issues might hint at specific cord involvement. Precise diagnosis is key as spinal localization guides treatment strategies.
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Caudal lumbar and sacral lesions cause varying degrees of hindlimb weakness. The range and type of motor deficits help localize lesions, with further details on paralysis unlikely from very caudal problems. Peripheral nervous system issues display decreased tone and may have focal or systemic causes.
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Peripheral nervous system lesions are less common and manifest with normal mentation but decreased limb function, possibly due to localized traumas or neuropathies. Distinguishing between the types, including conditions like botulism or tick paralysis, is based on reflex absence across limbs and maintained sensations.
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Neuromuscular junction disorders, primarily myasthenia gravis, are characterized by weakness potentially stemming from muscular disorders. Detailed explorations discuss symptom triggers, diagnostic distinctions, and the importance of measuring receptor antibody levels. Handling prognosis with appropriate medications is highlighted.
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Myopathies present variedly, with symptoms ranging from decreased tone to hypertrophy. Challenges arise in distinguishing these from orthopedic issues. Diagnostic focus includes high CPK levels and careful differentiation between movement disorders versus systemic muscular issues.
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Movement disorders, though infrequent, mimic seizures and involve involuntary, repetitive motions, often requiring video documentation from owners for diagnosis. Various treatment options exist based on specific conditions, with some breeds displaying unique tendencies.
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The session goes into detailed case studies to conclude, examining conditions such as meningitis, diskospondylitis, and brain tumors. Each case includes diagnostics, typical presentations, prognosis, and treatment options like surgery or long-term care strategies, showcasing real-world applications of neurological exams and lesion localization.
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What tools are needed for a neurological exam?
You need a good light source, a reflex hammer, hemostats, and a non-slip surface such as a yoga mat.
What does 'para' refer to in terms of neurological conditions?
'Para' refers to conditions affecting the rear legs, like paraparesis or paraplegia.
How can you distinguish between ataxia and paresis?
Ataxia involves lack of coordination, while paresis involves weakness. It's important to distinguish them as different diseases can cause either or both.
Why is it beneficial to let a patient move freely in the exam room during a neurological exam?
Observing the animal freely moving can help detect signs that are not visible when the animal is leashed or held.
What is considered normal for pupillary light reflex in a hospital setting?
A normal PLR would involve both pupils being equal in size and responding to light stimulus, even if the reflex is incomplete due to stress.
What is 'spinal shock'?
Spinal shock is a condition where acute lesions in the spinal cord cause temporary loss of reflexes below the lesion site.
What are the common presentations of vestibular disease?
Vestibular disease usually involves a head tilt, strabismus, and potentially pathologic nystagmus.
How is an FCE diagnosed?
An FCE, or fibrocartilaginous embolism, is diagnosed via MRI where changes in the spinal cord are visible.
What are potential causes of fecal incontinence in dogs with spinal cord lesions?
Fecal incontinence can occur with lesions affecting the dorsal part of the spinal cord, often due to tumors or cysts.
What are the signs of paradoxical vestibular disease?
Paradoxical vestibular disease might show a head tilt opposite the lesion side, combined with cerebellar signs like dysmetria.
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- 00:00:01tonight we're gonna go over for the
- 00:00:03first half we're gonna go over the
- 00:00:05neurological exam which is something
- 00:00:07that I've done before if you've been to
- 00:00:08one of my talks but I thought it's a
- 00:00:11really important thing for all
- 00:00:13neurologic cases the neurologic exam can
- 00:00:16tell us a lot so making sure you have a
- 00:00:19good understanding of it and then being
- 00:00:24able to localize your lesion is really
- 00:00:26important before even considering
- 00:00:28talking about differentials and then the
- 00:00:31second half of the talk we're going to
- 00:00:33go over some actual cases so we don't
- 00:00:36need any fancy equipment to do the
- 00:00:38neurologic exam you need a good light
- 00:00:40source a bright light source a reflex
- 00:00:43hammer some hemostats and then ideally a
- 00:00:46non-slip surface we use a yoga mat on
- 00:00:50our exam tables to help with that that's
- 00:00:52pretty cheap throughout the hospital the
- 00:00:56floors are a little bit slick so we'll
- 00:00:58often take animals outside so I have a
- 00:00:59better surface to walk on or we'll take
- 00:01:03them into our rehab room has good
- 00:01:05traction on the floor the things you're
- 00:01:08going to assess for the neurology exam
- 00:01:11will include the mentation the head and
- 00:01:14neck posture cranial nerves the gait our
- 00:01:17postural reactions or proprioception
- 00:01:20reflexes funiculus and then palpation is
- 00:01:23this animal painful when describing the
- 00:01:26gait if an animal is weak in the rear
- 00:01:29legs call that paraparesis
- 00:01:31if they have no visible voluntary motor
- 00:01:34that's paraplegia so anytime you say
- 00:01:37para that's referring just to the rear
- 00:01:39legs if it's one-sided so front and back
- 00:01:43legs on the same side then that would be
- 00:01:45hemiparesis or plea gia and then if it's
- 00:01:48one leg it'd be mono and if it's all
- 00:01:50four then you can call it Quadra or
- 00:01:53tetra precess or plea gia either either
- 00:01:55term is appropriate and then the other
- 00:01:58distinction is trying to determine
- 00:01:59between a taxi and paresis animals can
- 00:02:03be a toxic but not B week which is what
- 00:02:06paresis implies and we can also have
- 00:02:08animals that are paretic but not a toxic
- 00:02:11and
- 00:02:12it's important to try to distinguish
- 00:02:14between because different diseases will
- 00:02:16sometimes cause just one of those and
- 00:02:18not the other so I'd like to have all of
- 00:02:22my patients in a room where I can let
- 00:02:24them off leash so they can walk around
- 00:02:27if you're you know the owners holding
- 00:02:29them or you just are looking at them on
- 00:02:32the exam table or you're walking them up
- 00:02:34and down the hallway on the leash it's
- 00:02:35really hard to appreciate a lot of
- 00:02:37things and just having them loose in the
- 00:02:40exam room even if it's just while you're
- 00:02:41getting a history from the owner talking
- 00:02:44you can learn a lot ideally I think it
- 00:02:48should be done away from the owner
- 00:02:49because I think they act different when
- 00:02:51they're away from the owner but just
- 00:02:53walking see or watching this animal and
- 00:02:55seeing are they interested in their
- 00:02:58surroundings they respond to you or they
- 00:03:00bumping into things are they walking in
- 00:03:03circles are they off-balance and then
- 00:03:07cranial nerves are typically next I
- 00:03:10tried to do things in the same order
- 00:03:11every time so I don't leave something
- 00:03:13out with cranial nerves you want to
- 00:03:16assess the Menace and each eye
- 00:03:19individually while the other eyes
- 00:03:20covered check the pupil size before you
- 00:03:24check their PLR to see if before you do
- 00:03:26that are they equal in size and then did
- 00:03:28they both respond the same to light a
- 00:03:31lot of animals are scared when they're
- 00:03:33in the hospital so they might have an
- 00:03:34incomplete PLR but as long as there's
- 00:03:38some response and the pupils are equal
- 00:03:42in size then I usually consider that
- 00:03:44normal and then I check for facial
- 00:03:46sensation and check for physiologic
- 00:03:49nystagmus by moving their head side to
- 00:03:51side or if it's a small animal you can
- 00:03:53just kind of pick them up and turn them
- 00:03:54in a circle while you watch their eyes
- 00:03:56and make sure they have that normal
- 00:03:57doll's eye movement and then will always
- 00:04:00check for pathologic nystagmus by
- 00:04:03letting them on their right and left
- 00:04:04side and then in dorsal recumbent C I
- 00:04:07usually do that as part of the reflexes
- 00:04:09so we don't have to lay them down
- 00:04:11separate times
- 00:04:16when you're turning their head side to
- 00:04:17side they should have that sort of
- 00:04:20ticking motion with their eyes it's
- 00:04:23pretty rare to come across a an animal
- 00:04:25with no physiologic nystagmus but if you
- 00:04:27have a bilateral vestibular lesion which
- 00:04:30then would make them not have a head
- 00:04:32tilt they sometimes will have
- 00:04:34physiologic or pathologic nystagmus for
- 00:04:38proprioception there's a few different
- 00:04:40things you can do doing the what's
- 00:04:44called perceptive positioning or
- 00:04:45knuckling is something that we do in
- 00:04:48pretty much every animal and that's done
- 00:04:50with each leg individually while you're
- 00:04:53supporting their weight are usually with
- 00:04:55a small dog of this size I would do it
- 00:04:57up on the table but sometimes I find
- 00:05:00animals react different when they're on
- 00:05:01the table and if they're kind of slow or
- 00:05:04sluggish when I'm doing this and I don't
- 00:05:05that doesn't quite fit with what I'm
- 00:05:07seeing otherwise I'll repeat it on the
- 00:05:09floor sometimes I think they're scared
- 00:05:11on the table and just behaviorally they
- 00:05:13might be a little slow in small dogs you
- 00:05:15can also do hopping which is done on
- 00:05:17each leg individually when you hop them
- 00:05:20laterally while you try to put most of
- 00:05:21their weight over that leg that you're
- 00:05:23testing you can do that for the front
- 00:05:25and the back legs for big dogs where you
- 00:05:29may not be able to pick them up and do
- 00:05:31each individual leg you can do heavy
- 00:05:33locking I don't think I did in this dog
- 00:05:36where you'd pick up the legs on one side
- 00:05:39of the body and push them over to the
- 00:05:40other side and then for reflexes I try
- 00:05:44to keep it simple I basically test
- 00:05:46withdrawal in all four legs and then a
- 00:05:49patellar reflex
- 00:05:50I don't do triceps biceps cranial tibial
- 00:05:54all that other stuff mainly because they
- 00:05:57can be unreliable and sometimes hard to
- 00:05:58elicit in normal patients and they don't
- 00:06:02really add a whole lot to the exam so
- 00:06:05the biggest thing you're trying to get
- 00:06:07from the reflexes is are the reflexes
- 00:06:09there or not I don't get hung up on is
- 00:06:11this reflex a little hyper as long as it
- 00:06:14seems like it's present then usually
- 00:06:17you're not dealing with a lower motor
- 00:06:19neuron type disease which would mean
- 00:06:21something peripheral like a peripheral
- 00:06:23neuropathy or something in the reflex
- 00:06:26arc which
- 00:06:27would be c6 2t 2 if you have depressed
- 00:06:30reflexes in the front or l4 to s2 if
- 00:06:34it's depressed reflexes in the rear so
- 00:06:37you'll do your reflexes with the animal
- 00:06:39and lateral recumbent C normally I'd
- 00:06:41assess tone so flex the leg and then in
- 00:06:45the back leg again I just do a patellar
- 00:06:47reflex and a withdrawal sometimes if the
- 00:06:49animal is really tense it can be hard to
- 00:06:51elicit the patellar reflex or sometimes
- 00:06:54it'll even be hyper and one thing you
- 00:06:56can try is if you can't get a reflex
- 00:06:58when the leg is up test it when the leg
- 00:07:01is down it's usually more relaxed so as
- 00:07:03long as you can get a reflex
- 00:07:05even if you can't get it when the legs
- 00:07:07up if you get it when that legs down
- 00:07:08then I would still count it as being
- 00:07:10present and then in the forelimb I just
- 00:07:13do it withdrawal and that's assessing
- 00:07:16pretty much all the nerves of the
- 00:07:17brachial plexus once you've done the
- 00:07:21neuro exam then the next step is to
- 00:07:23localize Silesian so before we start
- 00:07:25talking about differentials you want to
- 00:07:28be able to take what you've found on
- 00:07:31your exam and say this is where the
- 00:07:33lesion is we break it down to these
- 00:07:37locations is it intracranial and if it's
- 00:07:40intracranial usually there's there's
- 00:07:42pretty different signs when it comes to
- 00:07:44a for brain lesion meaning something in
- 00:07:46the cerebrum or the thalamus versus
- 00:07:48something in the brainstem or cerebellum
- 00:07:50if it's not intracranial you think it's
- 00:07:53something involving the spinal cord then
- 00:07:55you want to try to localize it to either
- 00:07:58upper cervical lesion lower cervical
- 00:08:01lesion at etl lesion or more of a level
- 00:08:06sacral lesion and then also don't forget
- 00:08:09sometimes the lesion doesn't fit into
- 00:08:11one of those categories we might be
- 00:08:14dealing with something involving the
- 00:08:15peripheral nervous system so we could be
- 00:08:18dealing with a muscle disorder a primary
- 00:08:20nerve disorder or something involving
- 00:08:23the neuromuscular Junction and then we
- 00:08:26can see multifocal lesions I always try
- 00:08:28to make everything fit with one lesion
- 00:08:32locations most the time that's what
- 00:08:34we're dealing with but sometimes we are
- 00:08:36truly dealing with something that's
- 00:08:38multifocal and it doesn't fit in one
- 00:08:40spot
- 00:08:41when it comes to the forebrain one of
- 00:08:44the hallmarks is an animal that has a
- 00:08:48mentation change they may be dulls they
- 00:08:50may be demented but typically these
- 00:08:53animals are gonna have a normal gait
- 00:08:54these animals are not significantly
- 00:08:57ataxic or poetic but they may be
- 00:08:59circling they may be pacing they can
- 00:09:02have visual deficits but no other
- 00:09:04cranial nerves are going to be affected
- 00:09:06if we're truly dealing with a forebrain
- 00:09:08lesion this is an example of a cat that
- 00:09:12had a right-sided four brain lesion you
- 00:09:17can see this cat is pacing occasionally
- 00:09:21circles to the right side which they
- 00:09:25usually are going to circle towards the
- 00:09:26side of the lesion but this animal is
- 00:09:29not significantly ataxic on neuro exam
- 00:09:33we would expect him to have
- 00:09:35proprioceptive deficits on the left side
- 00:09:38so the proprioceptive deficits are going
- 00:09:40to be contralateral to your lesion he
- 00:09:43could potentially have a visual deficit
- 00:09:44also on the opposite side but no other
- 00:09:47cranial nerves should be affected this
- 00:09:50is an example of a dog with the right
- 00:09:52for brain lesion so they they can have
- 00:09:54big circles or little circles it's
- 00:09:56really variable but you can see this dog
- 00:09:59is obviously circling he's not I would
- 00:10:02not call him significantly toxic he
- 00:10:04doesn't have a head tilt versus we'll
- 00:10:07see one in a little bit that looks very
- 00:10:08similar to this but it's just some
- 00:10:10slight differences and then this is an
- 00:10:13interesting syndrome that it's pretty
- 00:10:16rare but sometimes seen with four brain
- 00:10:17lesions where animals will basically
- 00:10:21ignore everything on the side opposite
- 00:10:24thoroughly Jie so this dog would the
- 00:10:27owners film this at home only eat yet a
- 00:10:31left-sided legion and he ignored
- 00:10:35everything on the right side if you
- 00:10:36touch this dog on the right side of the
- 00:10:38face he acted like he didn't feel it it
- 00:10:40wasn't that he didn't have facial
- 00:10:41sensation he just didn't have any
- 00:10:42response
- 00:10:43if you turn after he ate out of the left
- 00:10:45side of the bowl if you turned it around
- 00:10:46then he would eat out of the other side
- 00:10:48but otherwise they basically don't
- 00:10:51recognize stuff on the opposite side
- 00:10:53Elysian so to have that that degree of
- 00:10:56asymmetry is pretty unusual but you can
- 00:10:59see that with a forebrain lesion when
- 00:11:02we're dealing with lesions in the brain
- 00:11:03stem this is when you're gonna see
- 00:11:06significant ataxia or precess that
- 00:11:10affects all four legs and you also this
- 00:11:14is where the majority of your cranial
- 00:11:15nerves from come from cranial nerves 3
- 00:11:17through 12 originate from the brain stem
- 00:11:20so any of these can be affected
- 00:11:22depending where in the brainstem your
- 00:11:24lesion is this little dog looks similar
- 00:11:28to the other one that we saw circling
- 00:11:29other than this one's going to go to the
- 00:11:31left which with the brainstem if they're
- 00:11:33circling it's also usually towards the
- 00:11:35side of the lesion the difference is
- 00:11:38this dog as you can see is more ataxic
- 00:11:40he's tumbling and he has a definite head
- 00:11:44tilt pure cerebellar lesions are not
- 00:11:48super common there's often when we're
- 00:11:52dealing with a lesion in the cerebellum
- 00:11:53there's often some brain stem
- 00:11:54involvement they're so closely
- 00:11:56associated but if you had a pure
- 00:11:58cerebellar lesion things you might see
- 00:12:00are eight Axia but without weakness so
- 00:12:05there's no loss of strength but these
- 00:12:07animals can be significantly ataxic
- 00:12:08sometimes it can be a little hard to
- 00:12:10tell that they're not weak they are
- 00:12:13going to have normal reflexes depending
- 00:12:16on what part of the cerebellum is
- 00:12:18affected you may or may not see obvious
- 00:12:20vestibular signs so they may not have a
- 00:12:22head tilt they may not have nystagmus
- 00:12:23but the eight Axia and hyper materia and
- 00:12:26dysmetria are the hallmarks of this they
- 00:12:31will sometimes have a menace deficit
- 00:12:33although their vision is normal and that
- 00:12:36will usually be on the side of the
- 00:12:37lesion if it's a asymmetrical lesion
- 00:12:41this is a dog with a congenital
- 00:12:43cerebellar lesion so it was a pure
- 00:12:45cerebellar lesion it doesn't have
- 00:12:48proprioceptive deficits it just has this
- 00:12:50really pronounced
- 00:12:52what I'd call a dysmetria hyper Metria
- 00:12:56and then this little dog you'll pay
- 00:12:59attention to her left front leg you can
- 00:13:04see the pronounced type
- 00:13:05metria she's really excited about her
- 00:13:09treat and I wanted to talk about
- 00:13:13vestibular disease a little bit
- 00:13:15separately because it I think is
- 00:13:17confusing a lot of times though the
- 00:13:20hallmarks of vestibular disease are
- 00:13:23gonna include a head tilt
- 00:13:25these animals usually will have a
- 00:13:26corresponding strabismus and that the
- 00:13:29side of the head tilt they may have
- 00:13:32pathologic nystagmus
- 00:13:34they're usually ataxic they may lean or
- 00:13:37roll these things tell you if you see
- 00:13:40them we have vestibular disease it does
- 00:13:43not tell you the etiology diagnosis so
- 00:13:47from there well if you see these signs
- 00:13:49you know we're dealing with the
- 00:13:51vestibular lesion the next thing to try
- 00:13:54to figure out is is this lesion central
- 00:13:56or peripheral my central meaning we're
- 00:13:59dealing with a problem in the brainstem
- 00:14:01usually the caudal brainstem where the
- 00:14:04vestibular nuclei are located because of
- 00:14:07the location of the lesion there's a lot
- 00:14:08of other cranial nerves nearby you may
- 00:14:11see other cranial nerve deficits
- 00:14:13fermentation may be affected so these
- 00:14:16animals can be dull or depressed and
- 00:14:19they not always but one of the hallmarks
- 00:14:23is they may have proprioceptive deficits
- 00:14:26which will be on the same side as the
- 00:14:28lesion if there is vertical nystagmus
- 00:14:32that's another big clue that this is a
- 00:14:35central lesion and not something
- 00:14:37peripheral although if you see rotary or
- 00:14:40horizontal that does not distinguish
- 00:14:42between one or the other with peripheral
- 00:14:45disease I'd say one of the big hallmarks
- 00:14:48is Horner's if you have an animal come
- 00:14:50in that has a concurrent Horner's that
- 00:14:52is rarely ever a central lesion that
- 00:14:54usually indicates a peripheral lesion
- 00:14:56these animals again are very ataxic if
- 00:14:59it's peripheral but they should not be
- 00:15:02paretic or have proprioceptive deficits
- 00:15:04they may also have a concurrent cranial
- 00:15:07nerve seven deficit by looking at this
- 00:15:09dog we can see he's a toxic he stumbles
- 00:15:12to the right he's got a right-sided head
- 00:15:14tilt so we know this dog has a
- 00:15:17vestibular condition
- 00:15:19until you do more of the exam you can't
- 00:15:22tell is this central or peripheral just
- 00:15:24by looking at him but you can tell
- 00:15:26immediately this dog has some sort of a
- 00:15:28stimulus function if they're really a
- 00:15:31tactic it can be very difficult to do
- 00:15:33proprioception in these guys but in a
- 00:15:36dog like this that's able to stand up
- 00:15:38he's not rolling it's it's pretty easy
- 00:15:43to do and this dog did not have any
- 00:15:46repeatable deficits and then a subset of
- 00:15:50central vestibular disease is going to
- 00:15:52be paradoxical vestibular disease we can
- 00:15:57see this when there's a lesion in a very
- 00:16:01specific part of the cerebellum where
- 00:16:04it's called paradoxical cuz your head
- 00:16:06till is going to be on the side opposite
- 00:16:08of your lesion so if you look if you
- 00:16:11look at this dog you're gonna really
- 00:16:13appreciate the hyper metria and the
- 00:16:15right front leg and that tells us
- 00:16:18there's probably some cerebellar
- 00:16:20involvement but yet the hyper meter is
- 00:16:22on one side and the head tilts to the
- 00:16:23other so this is a an example of where
- 00:16:27you can just look at this dog and tell
- 00:16:30this dog has to have a lesion in the
- 00:16:32brain stem or cerebellum this is not
- 00:16:34going to be a peripheral lesion when you
- 00:16:36see this alright we're moving on to the
- 00:16:40spinal cord and again if anyone has
- 00:16:42questions please interrupt me when we're
- 00:16:44dealing with a lesion in the upper
- 00:16:46cervical spinal cord we are gonna have
- 00:16:48normal reflexes or hyper reflexes and
- 00:16:51all limbs but the most important thing
- 00:16:52is that you should have reflexes in all
- 00:16:54of your limbs depending on what the
- 00:16:57cause is they may or may not be painful
- 00:17:00you can see a Horner's with a lesion in
- 00:17:03the upper cervical spine on the side of
- 00:17:05the lesion and you may have
- 00:17:07proprioceptive deficits in all four or
- 00:17:09potentially lateral eyes on just one
- 00:17:11side depending on the lesion so I would
- 00:17:15call this dog non ambulatory Quadra
- 00:17:18paretic he's got voluntary motor much
- 00:17:21better on the left side than the right
- 00:17:22but this dog cannot walk without
- 00:17:24assistance if you hold him up you can
- 00:17:26see the motor he's got pretty
- 00:17:28significant proprioceptive deficits
- 00:17:31on the right side but actually is pretty
- 00:17:35good and that left front so just by
- 00:17:38looking at this dog you couldn't
- 00:17:39necessarily tell just from this part
- 00:17:42that this is a c1 c5 lesion but we know
- 00:17:45looking at him all four legs are
- 00:17:48affected we have to be dealing with
- 00:17:50something cervical or higher there's no
- 00:17:52the mentation is normal there's no
- 00:17:54cranial nerve deficits and then if you
- 00:17:56have normal reflexes in the limbs then
- 00:18:00you'd be able to localize it to c1 the
- 00:18:02c5 when you are dealing with lesions in
- 00:18:05the caudal cervical or upper thoracic
- 00:18:07spine the hallmark of this is going to
- 00:18:10be usually a two engine gait this is
- 00:18:13where they have a real short and choppy
- 00:18:15gait in the four limbs and they're a
- 00:18:18toxic inner ear so these dogs often come
- 00:18:21in with an owner complain of just rear
- 00:18:24limb weakness or eight axia they don't
- 00:18:26often I'd say most owners often don't
- 00:18:29appreciate the four limb signs they may
- 00:18:32have progressive deficits in all four or
- 00:18:34again one sided although a lot of these
- 00:18:36dogs won't have proprioception deficits
- 00:18:39in the four lands they'll just have it
- 00:18:40in the rear and the way you can
- 00:18:42appreciate that this lesion is actually
- 00:18:45cervical is how short and choppy they
- 00:18:47are in the front or having decreased
- 00:18:49withdrawal in the four limbs you can
- 00:18:53also get a horn errs with a lesion here
- 00:18:55as well this is a classic example of a
- 00:18:59wobbler Dobby so these guys again often
- 00:19:04don't have proprioceptive deficits in
- 00:19:06the four limbs unless that's a really
- 00:19:08severe lesion and it'll often just be in
- 00:19:10the rear but this dogs got a good
- 00:19:13withdrawal in the rear and then what
- 00:19:16you'll see is in the four limb he can
- 00:19:18feel it but he does not he's not able to
- 00:19:21pull the him back yeah oftentimes when
- 00:19:24they can't pull the limb back what
- 00:19:25you'll see is they'll kind of kick the
- 00:19:27leg backwards like that at you they
- 00:19:30filled it but he can't completely flex
- 00:19:33the limb here's another one that I think
- 00:19:35is a little bit more pronounced you can
- 00:19:38see how short and choppy he is in the
- 00:19:40four limbs and he's got these longer
- 00:19:42strides in the rear
- 00:19:44so the two-engine gate you know the four
- 00:19:47limbs and the rear limbs are are kind of
- 00:19:49functioning at very different paces for
- 00:19:52lesions in the t3 l3 spine these animals
- 00:19:56should have normal four limb gate and
- 00:19:58normal proprioception in the four limbs
- 00:20:00and depending on the type of lesion how
- 00:20:03severe it is they may be para paretic or
- 00:20:06paraplegic lesions in this area can also
- 00:20:09cause shift Sherrington posture where if
- 00:20:12they're laying on their side they have
- 00:20:14really increased extensor tone in the
- 00:20:15four limbs sometimes it can be a little
- 00:20:18confusing when they come in if they are
- 00:20:20recumbent and you see that and one way
- 00:20:23to know it's not a cervical lesion if
- 00:20:25you get these animals up and you
- 00:20:26wheelbarrow them they should be normal
- 00:20:28in the four limbs versus if it's a
- 00:20:30cervical lesions caused ago to get them
- 00:20:32up and wheelbarrow them they should have
- 00:20:33some deficits in the four limbs we also
- 00:20:37can see with these speaking continents
- 00:20:40and that's something that I see a lot of
- 00:20:42patients someone say a lot I see
- 00:20:44patients come in that have had reports
- 00:20:47of fecal incontinence and so when they
- 00:20:48come in to me they're often coming in
- 00:20:51with the report of you know suspect when
- 00:20:54will sacral lesion or something in the
- 00:20:56hell 4s2 spine and a lot of these guys
- 00:20:59they have but they have normal anal tone
- 00:21:01so we can see fecal incontinence with
- 00:21:05lesions higher up in the spinal cord
- 00:21:07specifically if the lesions affecting
- 00:21:09the dorsal part of the spinal cord so
- 00:21:12it's not super common to see this with
- 00:21:14something like disc disease but I see
- 00:21:17this in more dogs that have things on
- 00:21:23the dorsal part of the cord which the
- 00:21:24two main things we would see there would
- 00:21:26either be a tumor or a cyst so depending
- 00:21:29on the dog if it's a young dog then it's
- 00:21:30more likely to be a cyst if it's an
- 00:21:33older dog then and I see fecal
- 00:21:34incontinence but it's suspected to have
- 00:21:37a t3 l3 lesion then I start worrying
- 00:21:39about things like tumors here's our
- 00:21:41classic t3 l3 dachshund so a lot of
- 00:21:45these guys can't walk but if you get
- 00:21:46them up and support him or you know you
- 00:21:49can see a little bit of motor present in
- 00:21:50the rear legs sometimes you can see a
- 00:21:52lot more than what you would expect I'll
- 00:21:55often walk these guys by just supporting
- 00:21:57them with their
- 00:21:58if it's a big dog you can get them up
- 00:22:00with a sling or a towel or something
- 00:22:02under their abdomen so you can see how
- 00:22:04much motor they have so this guy had
- 00:22:07really good tone in the rear legs but
- 00:22:09he's got absent proprioception and then
- 00:22:12his four limbs are normal although it
- 00:22:14can be tough in some of these animals if
- 00:22:16they can't support any weight on the
- 00:22:18rear legs to test proprioception in the
- 00:22:20front if you're having to hold them up
- 00:22:22in the back so you can hop them would be
- 00:22:25sometimes more reliable so again I don't
- 00:22:28get hung up on is this leat is this
- 00:22:30reflex hyper is it normal we're just
- 00:22:33trying to make sure that it's present
- 00:22:34it's not absent or severely depressed
- 00:22:37when you're testing withdrawal if the
- 00:22:40animal has visible voluntary motor I'm
- 00:22:42usually not trying to determine if they
- 00:22:45have deep pain if they have motor they
- 00:22:46should have deep pain if they don't have
- 00:22:49motor then that's when you want to while
- 00:22:52you're testing withdrawal you want to
- 00:22:53check and see are they feeling it so by
- 00:22:56pulling the leg back that doesn't mean
- 00:22:58they can feel it you want to see a
- 00:23:00visible reaction from them they squeal
- 00:23:02or they turn around and try to bite you
- 00:23:04with lesions in the caudal lumbar spine
- 00:23:08- sacral spine we can still get hair
- 00:23:12precess and occasionally paraplegia if
- 00:23:15the lesions more towards l4 but the
- 00:23:18further caudal you go in the spine the
- 00:23:20less likely you are to actually see
- 00:23:22significant motor deficits we would
- 00:23:25never see paralysis from a lesion l6 to
- 00:23:30l7 or caudal their spinal cord is
- 00:23:32already tapering off by that point so
- 00:23:35you can certainly see some weakness you
- 00:23:37might see lameness more likely but
- 00:23:40you're not going to see paralysis with a
- 00:23:42lesion that far caudal in the spine if
- 00:23:45the lesion is more towards l4 l6 you
- 00:23:47might have a depressed patellar reflex
- 00:23:49and then if it's further caudal you
- 00:23:51might have a decreased withdrawal and
- 00:23:53these are also the animals that can have
- 00:23:56decreased or absent anal tone this dog
- 00:24:00is a little hard to appreciate just from
- 00:24:02this video but this dog had a pretty
- 00:24:04classic gait for a dog with a caudal
- 00:24:09lumbar lesion
- 00:24:10he had really decreased tone in the
- 00:24:12pelvic limbs if you stood this dog up
- 00:24:14and you didn't support him at all he
- 00:24:16could not hold any of his own weight but
- 00:24:18yet if you held him up he had good motor
- 00:24:21these guys will often not necessarily be
- 00:24:23completely knuckling or dragging they
- 00:24:25might have decent motor but they have
- 00:24:27really decreased tone so they can't hold
- 00:24:29themselves up alright we're gonna move
- 00:24:31on to the peripheral nervous system
- 00:24:33Liam's here are not nearly as common as
- 00:24:36lesions affecting the spinal cord or
- 00:24:39even the brain so you will see these
- 00:24:41much much less often when you do these
- 00:24:45animals are gonna have a normal
- 00:24:46mentation some neuropathies can affect
- 00:24:49cranial nerves so there can be some
- 00:24:51cranial nerve involvement specifically
- 00:24:53se7 would be the most common one that
- 00:24:55you would see and the hallmark of a
- 00:24:57peripheral neuropathy is usually
- 00:24:59decreased tone and depending on the
- 00:25:03degree of the neuropathy you know you
- 00:25:05might have paralysis of the affected
- 00:25:07limbs if we're dealing with something
- 00:25:09affecting one limb then your top
- 00:25:11differentials are going to be either a
- 00:25:13traumatic lesion like a brachial plexus
- 00:25:15avulsion or neoplasia when we have a
- 00:25:19neuropathy affecting all four limbs then
- 00:25:22you have a pretty small list of things
- 00:25:24to choose from so things like tick
- 00:25:26paralysis botulism some envenomations
- 00:25:29that we don't really see here can cause
- 00:25:32a generalized neuropathy there are some
- 00:25:34drugs like vincristine that can cause a
- 00:25:36neuropathy this is an example of a dog
- 00:25:39that had suspected botulism or COO noun
- 00:25:44paralysis where the dog had no reflexes
- 00:25:47and any of its limbs he still had
- 00:25:49sensation so if you have no reflexes in
- 00:25:57the front or the back limbs you either
- 00:26:00have to give this dog a lesion in two
- 00:26:03locations you have to give it a c62 and
- 00:26:06then a l4s to lesion which would be very
- 00:26:09unlikely so your other option is this is
- 00:26:11a generalized neuropathy and when it
- 00:26:16comes to that like I said there's very
- 00:26:17few rule outs there are no real tests to
- 00:26:22do to try
- 00:26:23distinguishes this botulism versus
- 00:26:25Coonan paralysis tick paralysis can look
- 00:26:30the same
- 00:26:31you'd go looking for a tick on these
- 00:26:33animals we I would often if I had a
- 00:26:35patient come in like this you know we
- 00:26:38certainly search for the tick we often
- 00:26:40will put frontline or something on them
- 00:26:42in case it's somewhere we just can't
- 00:26:43find but that's a pretty rare thing it's
- 00:26:47more common to see the poonhound
- 00:26:50paralysis or botulism there's no
- 00:26:55treatment for either of those it's just
- 00:26:58time and supportive care and this is
- 00:27:01actually a little dog so I never get to
- 00:27:03see this I think this was only the
- 00:27:05second case I had actually seen of tick
- 00:27:07paralysis we all you know want to think
- 00:27:10that this is what it is when they come
- 00:27:12in in their week but it never really is
- 00:27:13but this one actually was although this
- 00:27:16dog actually presented pretty
- 00:27:18differently than what I would expect so
- 00:27:20this little dog looks a toxic in most of
- 00:27:23time with the neuropathy they're not a
- 00:27:25toxic they're really weak but this dog
- 00:27:27was we also saw which is not included in
- 00:27:30this video
- 00:27:31he had a facial nerve paralysis on one
- 00:27:34side and he had the press reflexes all
- 00:27:37over so when I looked at this dog you
- 00:27:39know it didn't make sense and then we
- 00:27:42started searching and in his big poof
- 00:27:44ball of hair we found the big tick and
- 00:27:46we removed it and then this is him the
- 00:27:49next day so I was a little skeptical
- 00:27:53that that was what this was because of
- 00:27:55how he attacks like he was but he never
- 00:27:58came back
- 00:27:58so the next liter location we're going
- 00:28:04to talk about is neuromuscular Junction
- 00:28:05and pretty much when we think of this
- 00:28:07we're going to be really thinking about
- 00:28:09my Senia gravis and these animals again
- 00:28:13are are not typically ataxic just very
- 00:28:16weak their proprioception is usually
- 00:28:19normal so that's another big clue that
- 00:28:21if you have this really weak animal that
- 00:28:22can't walk but yet you stand them up and
- 00:28:25you test their proprioception it's gonna
- 00:28:27be normal unless they're in which we'll
- 00:28:29talk about there are some severe forms
- 00:28:32of myasthenia where they may have
- 00:28:33decreased proprioception
- 00:28:35so this dog I believe actually came in
- 00:28:38through our surgery service first
- 00:28:41suspected him her first suspected
- 00:28:44cruciate disease and this was kind of
- 00:28:46his dog at its worst there when he
- 00:28:48initially came in he could walk some and
- 00:28:50then it had progressed to this point
- 00:28:51where this dog wouldn't get up in the
- 00:28:53rear so I looked at this dog and
- 00:28:56suspected this dog had myasthenia gravis
- 00:28:59so we did a tensilon test on him and
- 00:29:02this was him right after the injection
- 00:29:04you'll see in a minute that he starts to
- 00:29:07get weak again so the tense alone
- 00:29:08doesn't last very long you can see him
- 00:29:13start to get stiff and and weak in the
- 00:29:16rear
- 00:29:23and we'll talk a little bit more about
- 00:29:25this during one of our cases so
- 00:29:28myopathies can present a lot of
- 00:29:30different ways depending on the actual
- 00:29:32disease some of these animals will have
- 00:29:35really decreased muscle tone some of
- 00:29:37them can have increased muscle tone some
- 00:29:39of them result in muscle atrophy whereas
- 00:29:42some myopathies actually cause muscle
- 00:29:44hypertrophy the big thing again with
- 00:29:47these animals is they're usually not
- 00:29:48ataxic they may be weak they may have a
- 00:29:51stiff gait but they're not typically
- 00:29:53ataxic and proprioception is also
- 00:29:55typically normal so these animals can be
- 00:29:58if it's a generalized neuropathy or
- 00:30:01excuse me my op a--they it can be hard
- 00:30:03to distinguish this from some orthopedic
- 00:30:05diseases or something like polyarthritis
- 00:30:09this is a young German Shepherd that had
- 00:30:12an immune mediated polymyositis so just
- 00:30:17walking for watching this dog walk you
- 00:30:20know one of my first thoughts would have
- 00:30:22been is this a like a poly arthropathy
- 00:30:25you didn't have any joint effusion or
- 00:30:28joint pain if you're suspicious of
- 00:30:30something like generalized myopathy a
- 00:30:33good thing to check would be a CPK and
- 00:30:35see if that's elevated if you have you
- 00:30:39know not not just a slightly high CK but
- 00:30:42if you have a significantly elevated CK
- 00:30:44you're always going to want to try to
- 00:30:46track down a muscle disorder
- 00:30:48specifically if you can repeat it if you
- 00:30:50see it you're not sure what to make of
- 00:30:53it you repeat it it's still high then
- 00:30:56we're going to be looking for some sort
- 00:30:57of myopathy this is a little dachshund
- 00:31:02that actually had a Cushing's myopathy
- 00:31:04which is pretty rare but sometimes
- 00:31:07doesn't show up in these guys until
- 00:31:10after they're actually on treatment so
- 00:31:12it's not always in undiagnosed dogs I've
- 00:31:15seen it and it's not common I've seen a
- 00:31:17few cases of it but I've seen it in ones
- 00:31:19that were being treated for their
- 00:31:21Cushing's once they get to this point
- 00:31:25there's usually no no treatment for them
- 00:31:27take a guess what this myopathy is
- 00:31:33so that's a myelopathy this is a
- 00:31:36myopathy so this is fibrotic myopathy or
- 00:31:43sometimes it's called gracilis so
- 00:31:45semitendinosus myopathy it's mainly seen
- 00:31:49in German Shepherds there I think 90% of
- 00:31:52the cases are seen in German shepherds
- 00:31:54it can affect one or both rear legs and
- 00:31:57it causes you'll see when the dog we've
- 00:31:59kind of seen from behind this pretty
- 00:32:01character is - gait - where the toe kind
- 00:32:05of turns in and they have this real
- 00:32:07shortened forward phase of the gait in
- 00:32:10that leg because the muscle is basically
- 00:32:12either the gracilis or the
- 00:32:13semitendinosus has fibrosis and
- 00:32:16contracted so they're unable to fully
- 00:32:18bring the leg forward so the leg kind of
- 00:32:21slaps down on the ground real quickly
- 00:32:23and that foot turns in so this is
- 00:32:25something that's diagnosed pretty much
- 00:32:27just based on watching these animals
- 00:32:29walk there's nothing you can do for it
- 00:32:31typically they're not painful though
- 00:32:33there is surgery that is kind of talked
- 00:32:36about but you I think most of the cases
- 00:32:39that are reported that have had surgery
- 00:32:41the signs return within a few months of
- 00:32:44surgery so it's more of a mechanical
- 00:32:47lameness that this was seen in a working
- 00:32:49dog you know they may not be able to
- 00:32:51continue their job but as far as a pet
- 00:32:54goes I mean it doesn't they can still
- 00:32:56pretty much do most of their normal
- 00:32:58things
- 00:33:02no they usually don't so they're usually
- 00:33:07don't scuff the foot something that
- 00:33:11probably I'd say a lot of you may not
- 00:33:14have heard of our movement disorders so
- 00:33:17there's there's probably a few that you
- 00:33:19may be familiar with you just don't
- 00:33:20maybe know that they're called movement
- 00:33:22disorders I'd say these are not super
- 00:33:25well characterized at this point in
- 00:33:27veterinary medicine they can be very
- 00:33:29hard to distinguish from a seizure so
- 00:33:31these are involuntary movements usually
- 00:33:34repetitive movements that involve either
- 00:33:37maybe one limb or sometimes the whole
- 00:33:39body or even sometimes the head it's
- 00:33:43thought that these usually are
- 00:33:44originating from problems within the
- 00:33:46basal ganglia which is in the brain and
- 00:33:48helps control usually initiation of
- 00:33:51movement this is where with parkinson's
- 00:33:54where the lesion is we don't really see
- 00:33:56that same thing occur in dogs with
- 00:33:58lesions in that area but we can see
- 00:34:00other movement disorders occur so these
- 00:34:04animals have a normal mentation they're
- 00:34:06usually going to be normal on exam and
- 00:34:08the only way we're usually gonna realize
- 00:34:11what it is is if the owner can get a
- 00:34:13video or if they happen to do it in the
- 00:34:15clinic which i think is pretty rare
- 00:34:17there are some that are characterized in
- 00:34:20animals as you can see so Scotty cramp
- 00:34:23may be one that you've heard of the
- 00:34:25episodic head tremors which we'll see in
- 00:34:27a minute is now thought to be a movement
- 00:34:30disorder although it's not been
- 00:34:32completely worked out is what actually
- 00:34:34causes this episodic falling in the
- 00:34:37Cavaliers is one and then there's these
- 00:34:41other breeds where they can have what
- 00:34:44they call these paroxysmal dyskinesias
- 00:34:46or they may have flexion of one or more
- 00:34:49limbs kind of randomly these animals
- 00:34:53usually don't respond to treatment
- 00:34:55things that have been mentioned that you
- 00:34:58can try or things like clonazepam
- 00:35:01you can try anticonvulsant there's some
- 00:35:04sporadic reports of dogs with these that
- 00:35:06respond to anticonvulsant but most of
- 00:35:08the time they don't
- 00:35:09although specifically with Scottie cramp
- 00:35:12we do know that that involves
- 00:35:15fact in serotonin and the CNS and so
- 00:35:17treatment for that is actually
- 00:35:19fluoxetine this is a dog that I saw I
- 00:35:23can't remember what his presenting
- 00:35:25complaint but he would have these
- 00:35:26episodes that usually happened when he
- 00:35:29got to the noise so he was looking out
- 00:35:31the gate and then I think he gets
- 00:35:33startled so mentation wise you know he
- 00:35:37was responsive he never lost
- 00:35:40consciousness but he would do this
- 00:35:43intermittently and as you can see even
- 00:35:45when he's walking he looks abnormal so
- 00:35:48we put this guy on some fluoxetine and
- 00:35:51she responded pretty quickly I think
- 00:35:54this dog was on it for quite a while and
- 00:35:56then the owner herself started taking
- 00:35:58the dog off and then she called me and
- 00:36:00said he was starting to have episodes
- 00:36:01again so we just put him back on it and
- 00:36:04this is what we call episodic head
- 00:36:07tremors or idiopathic head tremors I see
- 00:36:10a lot of videos that people send to me
- 00:36:14on this that you know they want to know
- 00:36:17is this a seizure is this a focal
- 00:36:19seizure these guys may do this side to
- 00:36:22side or up and down head tremors but if
- 00:36:25you can stop it they'll usually respond
- 00:36:27to you there are meant Asians normal and
- 00:36:30if you see it in one of these specific
- 00:36:32breeds of Doberman a bulldog or a boxer
- 00:36:34then you can feel pretty confident that
- 00:36:36that's what this is it's not there's no
- 00:36:38treatment for it
- 00:36:39I wouldn't put these guys on ants I can
- 00:36:41bowl since it's not seizure activity I
- 00:36:43think it bothers the owners probably
- 00:36:45more than it actually bothers the dog
- 00:36:48all right we're gonna start with some
- 00:36:50cases I might have to go a little fast
- 00:36:53so we can make it through all the cases
- 00:36:54but if you have specific questions about
- 00:36:56any of these diseases just stop me this
- 00:37:00is a 1 year old female intact Boxer mix
- 00:37:03that presented
- 00:37:05after the owners had gotten this dog and
- 00:37:08only had it for just a short period they
- 00:37:11didn't know any of her history so they
- 00:37:12brought her in they not here they
- 00:37:14brought her in to their primary
- 00:37:16veterinarian she got vaccinated I can
- 00:37:19remember if she had blood work at that
- 00:37:20time or if it was afterwards so shortly
- 00:37:23after that they reported that the dog
- 00:37:26seemed lethargic not wanting to do much
- 00:37:30between her regular vet and that you are
- 00:37:32here she was seen a few times and at one
- 00:37:35point was noted to have a temperature of
- 00:37:37104 8 she did have blood work at one
- 00:37:40point I can't remember exactly went in
- 00:37:42the course but had an elevated white
- 00:37:44blood cell count and was treated with an
- 00:37:48inside showed us slight improvement but
- 00:37:50just wasn't back to normal
- 00:37:52so I ended up seeing this dog and on
- 00:37:55exam the dog was mentally appropriate
- 00:37:59responsive but had low head carriage
- 00:38:01just didn't seem to want to lift its
- 00:38:03head up in the room looked a little
- 00:38:06stiff when I was walking around not a
- 00:38:08tactic had normal proprioception and
- 00:38:11this dog was painful with palpation of
- 00:38:14the caudal thoracic spine and also
- 00:38:16seemed painful moving its head around so
- 00:38:20where would we localize this dog this is
- 00:38:23one where I thought it probably seemed
- 00:38:26more cervical but I did get some
- 00:38:27thoracic pain so this may be multifocal
- 00:38:31so then we come up with a list of
- 00:38:33differentials and once we have our
- 00:38:36lesion localization then our signal
- 00:38:39meant we usually can come up with a
- 00:38:42fairly short list of differentials
- 00:38:43depending on the history so this being a
- 00:38:46really young dog we had IBD D on our
- 00:38:48differential list though a dog any dog
- 00:38:51under a year of age or around a year of
- 00:38:53age I've never seen IV D D if it wasn't
- 00:38:56due to some sort of traumatic event like
- 00:39:00being hit by a car so other things
- 00:39:02though I would consider in a young dog
- 00:39:04like this would be something like Disko
- 00:39:05spondylitis
- 00:39:06which can be multifocal neoplasia even
- 00:39:10though this is a really young dog there
- 00:39:12are certain cancers that we see in
- 00:39:14really young dogs specifically things
- 00:39:15involving the nervous system meningitis
- 00:39:18was another top differential and then
- 00:39:21polyarthritis or polymyositis were also
- 00:39:24differentials though I could not find
- 00:39:25any specific joint pain on this dog but
- 00:39:28these guys with polyarthritis sometimes
- 00:39:31can manifest with just spinal pain they
- 00:39:33don't always have the joint signs
- 00:39:34initially but because she came to me and
- 00:39:37I'm a neurologist I recommended a CSF
- 00:39:40tap so a dog like this is a really good
- 00:39:43candidate for a spinal tap if this dog
- 00:39:45had been 6 years old and came out with
- 00:39:48these same exact symptoms I wouldn't
- 00:39:50necessarily jump to spinal taps the
- 00:39:52chance of something like meningitis
- 00:39:53would be pretty low at that age and I'd
- 00:39:56be worried about other things so when it
- 00:39:59comes to a spinal tap the findings can
- 00:40:01be pretty nonspecific there's very few
- 00:40:04diseases where we actually diagnose them
- 00:40:06with a spinal tap so this is obviously a
- 00:40:10different dog not the same one but to do
- 00:40:13a spinal tap we do place them under
- 00:40:15general anesthesia if you're
- 00:40:17right-handed you're gonna place them and
- 00:40:18write louder ever come and see and then
- 00:40:21basically palpate the wings of c1 and
- 00:40:24the occipital protuberance and go in the
- 00:40:28middle the occipital protuberance kind
- 00:40:31of tells you where your midline is and
- 00:40:34then the wings of the atlas kind of give
- 00:40:36you an idea of you don't want to go
- 00:40:37further caudal than that this dog had a
- 00:40:41very abnormal CSF this is not the dog
- 00:40:43that I showed before but normally we'll
- 00:40:47just let it drip out and collect it
- 00:40:49usually into a non-additive tube unless
- 00:40:52it's really bloody like this then we put
- 00:40:55it in a purple top so it doesn't clot so
- 00:40:58the one-year-old Boxer mix that came in
- 00:41:00the spinal tap came back and that dog
- 00:41:03had I don't know if you can read it the
- 00:41:06dog had 800 white blood cells which is
- 00:41:09really high normal is less than five if
- 00:41:12you have a clean tap it would be
- 00:41:14normally zero if it's a normal animal
- 00:41:17and this animal had 800 so we know this
- 00:41:19dog is meningitis from this then the
- 00:41:22next question is well what kind is this
- 00:41:24and on cytology this dog had
- 00:41:28mainly just neutrophils as far as the
- 00:41:31white blood cells went so our two big
- 00:41:34differentials for having neutrophils
- 00:41:36would be either a bacterial meningitis
- 00:41:38which is extremely rare or steroid
- 00:41:41responsive meningitis arteritis this is
- 00:41:44the most common type of meningitis and
- 00:41:46dogs there are certain breeds that's
- 00:41:48seen in more often like boxers and
- 00:41:50beagles Weimaraners it's usually seen in
- 00:41:55dogs under two years of age
- 00:41:58so again rare to see this in an older
- 00:42:00dog about I'd say about half of these
- 00:42:03patients will have a fever so half of
- 00:42:05them don't so that's not always
- 00:42:07something you're gonna see and they may
- 00:42:09or may not have an elevated
- 00:42:10white-blood-cell count but the hallmark
- 00:42:12of this is going to be typically neck
- 00:42:14pain and occasionally they'll have tl
- 00:42:15pain as well they typically don't have
- 00:42:18significant paresis or proprioceptive
- 00:42:21deficits they usually respond well to
- 00:42:24treatment although treatment is a pretty
- 00:42:27long course of steroids so these guys
- 00:42:30usually don't end up needing a secondary
- 00:42:33immunosuppressants if you treat them
- 00:42:35long enough with steroids the majority
- 00:42:37of dogs you can get off of steroids and
- 00:42:39they'll stay in permanent remission you
- 00:42:41don't want to vaccinate these guys while
- 00:42:43they're undergoing treatment there's a
- 00:42:45lot of these dogs are young dogs and
- 00:42:47they may be due for vaccines so that's
- 00:42:49just something to remember you don't
- 00:42:50want to vaccinate that I recommend
- 00:42:51usually getting them completely off meds
- 00:42:54for several months without signs of
- 00:42:56relapse before getting vaccines they can
- 00:42:59get heartworm or flea prevention but
- 00:43:01just no vaccines while they're on this
- 00:43:03treatment
- 00:43:05uh-huh yeah stain that John
- 00:43:10[Music]
- 00:43:14could her being intact no I don't know
- 00:43:19that it was the vaccine that triggered
- 00:43:20it or if the dog already had this and
- 00:43:23that you know kind of pushed it over the
- 00:43:25edge but I mean I see yeah I mean I've
- 00:43:28seen several of these where it seems
- 00:43:30like in a short period after getting
- 00:43:31vaccinated they they become clinical but
- 00:43:33I've also seen ones where they haven't
- 00:43:35been vaccinated in you know a year we
- 00:43:37can't blame it on vaccines so I say just
- 00:43:40like other autoimmune diseases a lot of
- 00:43:41times we don't know what the trigger is
- 00:43:43and there may be some sort of genetic
- 00:43:45component to it since we do see it and
- 00:43:47certain breeds more than others
- 00:43:49most I mean most animals that we see are
- 00:43:51spayed or neutered that have this so I
- 00:43:53don't think being intact had anything to
- 00:43:55do with it I think this was just a dog
- 00:43:57that I think had been living outside
- 00:43:59somewhere else and these people ended up
- 00:44:02taking this dog and they were trying to
- 00:44:04do the right thing and get this dog
- 00:44:06taken in and they and then she got all
- 00:44:08her vaccines and then shortly after came
- 00:44:11down with this this is a five year old
- 00:44:13male neutered lab that presented for an
- 00:44:16acute onset of paraparesis the owner was
- 00:44:19walking this dog outside on a leash like
- 00:44:22she always does she takes she comes home
- 00:44:24at lunch she takes his dog for a walk
- 00:44:25there's an area where she lets it off
- 00:44:28leash at the end of the walk so he said
- 00:44:30the dog seemed normal it was running off
- 00:44:32leash she heard a Yelp and next thing
- 00:44:34looked over the dog was dragging its
- 00:44:36back legs so it came into us there were
- 00:44:39no other previous problems reported and
- 00:44:42you can see this dog is pretty much
- 00:44:45dragging that back left leg without
- 00:44:47assistance this dog could not get up and
- 00:44:49walk on his own but with us since he had
- 00:44:52good motor and that back right and then
- 00:44:55his four limbs were normal this is his
- 00:44:57full neuro exam so everything from the
- 00:45:00four limbs up was was normal the dog had
- 00:45:02proprioceptive deficits in both rear
- 00:45:04limbs much worse than the left than the
- 00:45:08right this dog was not painful anywhere
- 00:45:11that I could find and one thing that
- 00:45:14we'll talk about is he had a weak
- 00:45:16withdrawal in the left rear limb which
- 00:45:18would tell us that we might want to
- 00:45:21consider more
- 00:45:22Caudle lumbar lesion although based on
- 00:45:25what I suspected what's wrong with this
- 00:45:26dog I still suspected that his lesion
- 00:45:28was T 303
- 00:45:30soin lesion localization can be a little
- 00:45:33bit tricky in these guys so I suspected
- 00:45:35there was t 303 although again the
- 00:45:37decrease with jaw and the one we're a
- 00:45:39limb felt like I couldn't completely
- 00:45:41rule out and now for us to lesion but
- 00:45:44differentials for this dog is was pretty
- 00:45:47much FCE until proven otherwise
- 00:45:49certainly dis disease can do this the
- 00:45:53dog was not painful at all though I have
- 00:45:54seen dogs that just didn't show any pain
- 00:45:56so it was still a rule out and then the
- 00:45:59inflation doesn't typically present this
- 00:46:01acutely but it's always on our list of
- 00:46:03differentials so we recommended an MRI
- 00:46:06to see what this was and the dogs MRI I
- 00:46:10don't know if you can see he's got a
- 00:46:12slight bulging disc here but this was
- 00:46:14not his lesion sometimes it's subtle
- 00:46:17sometimes it's more obvious than this
- 00:46:19but he's got this hyper intensity in his
- 00:46:21spinal cord and then you know if you can
- 00:46:24tell him over here this is the left side
- 00:46:26he's got this hyper intensity within the
- 00:46:28chord which is suspected edema from an
- 00:46:31embolism so we don't see the embolism
- 00:46:33itself on an MRI we see the secondary
- 00:46:36effects had this dog had a CT scan we
- 00:46:39wouldn't have seen anything you would
- 00:46:41have basically been able to rule out a
- 00:46:43compressive lesion but you won't see the
- 00:46:45changes in the cord summarize definitely
- 00:46:47preferred for these and this dogs lesion
- 00:46:50was in fact I think this was up around
- 00:46:53two twelve thirteen when we occasionally
- 00:46:57dogs don't follow the rule and when we
- 00:46:59have a really acute lesion in the t3 l3
- 00:47:02spinal cord they will sometimes have a
- 00:47:05decrease withdrawal in the rear limbs
- 00:47:07and it's thought to be due to spinal
- 00:47:10shock which is that this phenomenon will
- 00:47:13they'll they'll get deficits caudal to
- 00:47:16the lesion for a short period and
- 00:47:18specifically it seems like it's seen
- 00:47:20with FTEs more than any other condition
- 00:47:23so if I see a dog has a little bit of a
- 00:47:25decrease withdrawal in the rear but
- 00:47:27everything else is kind of pointing
- 00:47:29towards upper motor neuron lesion then
- 00:47:32the big thing would just be making sure
- 00:47:33when you
- 00:47:34do something whether that's radiographs
- 00:47:36or we did an MRI that you know we've
- 00:47:39looked high enough up to find the lesion
- 00:47:40so Nessie is not a blood clot it's
- 00:47:43thought to be obstruction of blood flow
- 00:47:46due to fibrocartilage that gets into a
- 00:47:48blood vessel in the spinal cord how
- 00:47:51exactly this happens is not completely
- 00:47:53known and often seems to happen when the
- 00:47:56animal is playing or doing some sort of
- 00:47:58activity but it can happen at rest as
- 00:48:01well the hallmark of these are its acute
- 00:48:03onset and they're not progressive at
- 00:48:05least not past 24 hours and typically
- 00:48:08not past you know an hour to at most so
- 00:48:12if you have an animal that it's been
- 00:48:14progressing over to three days we can we
- 00:48:18can rule this out so these are going to
- 00:48:20be very very acute and onset not
- 00:48:22progressive other than when they happen
- 00:48:25the owner may report pain there's
- 00:48:27usually no pain by the time the patient
- 00:48:29cuts to you they may be they may affect
- 00:48:33any part of the spinal cord so if it
- 00:48:35happens in the cervical spine you may
- 00:48:38see all four legs affected or just one
- 00:48:39side they're usually asymmetric if it's
- 00:48:42a really severe one you could get you
- 00:48:46know when it happens in the throttle
- 00:48:47lumbar cord you could have both your
- 00:48:48legs affected equally it's typically
- 00:48:51seen in big dogs the one small dog that
- 00:48:54is gets us more often than other dogs is
- 00:48:57the miniature schnauzer and as long as
- 00:48:59they have deep pain they usually recover
- 00:49:01but it can take months
- 00:49:03treatment is purely supportive steroids
- 00:49:05do not help these guys they do not give
- 00:49:07them steroids I usually don't put them
- 00:49:10on anything unless the owner is still
- 00:49:12not convinced that their dog is not
- 00:49:14painful I have you know I don't have a
- 00:49:16problem putting them on something like
- 00:49:17gabapentin for pain but most of the time
- 00:49:21the owners are fine with them being on
- 00:49:24nothing physical therapy can help speed
- 00:49:27up their recovery and this is that dog
- 00:49:29two months later so you can see he's not
- 00:49:31completely normal but he's a lot better
- 00:49:34than than he was when he came in well
- 00:49:36I've never seen it reoccurring the same
- 00:49:38dog so the clients yeah I get asked that
- 00:49:41a lot I've never seen one happened again
- 00:49:43in the same dog and then this is our
- 00:49:46schnauzer with
- 00:49:48so the asymmetrical paresis this is the
- 00:49:52next case this was a ten month old
- 00:49:54female spayed Shizu that presented for a
- 00:49:58two month history of intermittent
- 00:50:00weakness the basically the owner came in
- 00:50:04and said my dog seems like it cannot
- 00:50:07walk at times the owner did not think
- 00:50:09this dog was painful at home she had
- 00:50:12been seen by her primary veterinarian
- 00:50:15had had blood work it was normal she had
- 00:50:18been treated with an inside the owner
- 00:50:19did not report seeing any improvement
- 00:50:22his part of her exam her meditation was
- 00:50:27very normal she was a pretty happy
- 00:50:29little dog but she was weak her
- 00:50:35proprioception if you held her up was
- 00:50:37normal although she had a hard time
- 00:50:39standing for any period of time but if
- 00:50:41you stood her up she you tried to turn
- 00:50:44her feet under she knew where her feet
- 00:50:45were and the other big thing about this
- 00:50:47dog was there was no pain anywhere that
- 00:50:50I could find
- 00:50:52she had normal reflexes other than her
- 00:50:56palpebral was a little weak where would
- 00:50:58we localize this dog this dog could have
- 00:51:01been potentially in myopathy although
- 00:51:04they usually aren't that weak so my top
- 00:51:07suspicion was this dog had neuromuscular
- 00:51:09disease specifically myasthenia gravis
- 00:51:11so again my APPA 'they could present
- 00:51:13with similar signs oftentimes if this
- 00:51:17dog is coming to you you know you're
- 00:51:19gonna want to do bloodwork and make sure
- 00:51:20there's not something that a bollock
- 00:51:21going on some electrolyte abnormalities
- 00:51:23but most time by the time they get to me
- 00:51:25they've already had that stuff died so I
- 00:51:27don't have to really think about that
- 00:51:28stuff but when you're the first person
- 00:51:30seeing this dog you certainly would want
- 00:51:32to do routine blood work and make sure
- 00:51:34there's not something systemic going on
- 00:51:36because of our suspicion for my Senor
- 00:51:38gravis we sent out the test for that
- 00:51:40which is this either choline receptor
- 00:51:43antibodies and this dogs titer was
- 00:51:46almost 5 anything above 0.6 is
- 00:51:50considered positive so this out had a
- 00:51:52really high titer it doesn't always
- 00:51:54correlate to the severity of disease but
- 00:51:56it concerns me when I saw how high this
- 00:51:59was
- 00:52:00at that time I did not know the owner
- 00:52:02declined any further Diagnostics so
- 00:52:05myasthenia gravis is basically the
- 00:52:07failure of neurotransmission at the
- 00:52:11neuromuscular Junction due to a lack of
- 00:52:14functional receptors and that can be
- 00:52:16from antibodies on the receptors or it
- 00:52:19can be that there's actually a lack of
- 00:52:21receptors as in a congenital form the
- 00:52:25hallmark of something like this is gonna
- 00:52:27be weakness usually associated with
- 00:52:29exercise these guys can come in looking
- 00:52:33normal initially and then get weaker the
- 00:52:36more that they do depending on if
- 00:52:38certain other things are affected like
- 00:52:40the esophagus they may have a
- 00:52:41complaining to vomiting or regurgitation
- 00:52:43sometimes the voice change these guys
- 00:52:45may have a hoarse bark or weak bark that
- 00:52:47may be something that the owner picks up
- 00:52:48on and then facial weakness you can see
- 00:52:50it's much more common in people with
- 00:52:53myasthenia gravis and often the pelvic
- 00:52:56limbs seem to be more affected than the
- 00:52:58four limbs and the two forms are
- 00:53:01congenital or acquired and with acquired
- 00:53:03there can be different clinical forms we
- 00:53:06can see a focal form that just involves
- 00:53:08the pharynx or the esophagus and these
- 00:53:11animals will not have any obvious
- 00:53:13weakness the generalized form is the
- 00:53:16most common so these are the animals
- 00:53:17that do you have weakness again may seem
- 00:53:20to affect the pelvic glooms more than
- 00:53:22the thoracic meg esophagus is
- 00:53:24unfortunately very common in dogs with
- 00:53:27this cats not as much just because of
- 00:53:30the difference in striated versus smooth
- 00:53:32muscle in their esophagus so majority of
- 00:53:35dogs are gonna have Meg esophagus which
- 00:53:37is the main thing that affects their
- 00:53:38prognosis and then we can see an acute
- 00:53:41fulminating kinds where these animals
- 00:53:43come in with really severe weakness
- 00:53:45these are the ones that may have
- 00:53:47proprioceptive deficits and the
- 00:53:51prognosis for these is is really poor
- 00:53:53I've not had one of these make it out
- 00:53:54the hospital the congenital form is
- 00:53:57extremely rare these animals show
- 00:53:59symptoms from the time they start to
- 00:54:00walk they they just lack the receptors
- 00:54:03so they'll they'll never be normal so
- 00:54:06this is not a dog that was normal and
- 00:54:08then becomes weak these are dogs that
- 00:54:10they're never they've never been normal
- 00:54:12they typically don't have
- 00:54:13meg oesophagus so they acquired is much
- 00:54:16more common and these are due to
- 00:54:19antibodies that are actually formed and
- 00:54:21directed against the acetylcholine
- 00:54:23receptor any breed can be affected
- 00:54:26there's some that are reported a little
- 00:54:28bit more often and it tends to occur in
- 00:54:31young and old dogs so there's kind of
- 00:54:33two main ages that we see the same so
- 00:54:35dogs as young as four months can get
- 00:54:38this the diagnosis is made by sending
- 00:54:42out the test for the receipt Oakland
- 00:54:45receptor antibodies we can do a tensilon
- 00:54:47test like you saw on that dog in the
- 00:54:49earlier video that is not definitive
- 00:54:51there can be false positives and even
- 00:54:54false negatives if they have the more
- 00:54:55acute form they often don't respond to
- 00:54:58tensilon the only definitive test is the
- 00:55:00antibody test unless it's congenital
- 00:55:04then they don't have any bodies and the
- 00:55:06only way to confirm that is with a
- 00:55:07muscle biopsy treatment is mainly
- 00:55:11anti-clone esterase therapy it's what
- 00:55:14that does it just allows the seed of
- 00:55:15choline to hang around in the junction
- 00:55:17longer and find an available receptor
- 00:55:19most dogs do well with just that as
- 00:55:22their treatment if they don't respond to
- 00:55:25that alone then I'll add an
- 00:55:27immunosuppressive drug you just have to
- 00:55:30be careful it's a lot of these guys do
- 00:55:31you have my guess off a guess and
- 00:55:32they're prone to pneumonia and so it
- 00:55:34just makes it a little bit harder to put
- 00:55:36them on something like steroids some of
- 00:55:40these dogs can have a thymoma and if
- 00:55:42they do and dimed ectomy is recommended
- 00:55:45and then the rest of the care is
- 00:55:47supportive these guys often needs if
- 00:55:50they have a mega stop against upright
- 00:55:51feedings this is a bailey chair that a
- 00:55:54client made and donated to the hospital
- 00:55:57it really depends on in my experience
- 00:55:59whether or not they have a Meg esophagus
- 00:56:01if they have a mega Safa guess they
- 00:56:03usually end up either being euthanized
- 00:56:05or dying of pneumonia within a few
- 00:56:08months of diagnosis most of these guys
- 00:56:10because the Meg esophagus is not
- 00:56:13reversible even once you treat them
- 00:56:15that's permanent so if they don't have
- 00:56:17mega softest I have seen them do well do
- 00:56:21really well
- 00:56:23there's even the possibility that they
- 00:56:24can go into a spontaneous remission and
- 00:56:26come off of medication this is that same
- 00:56:29dog I showed you earlier this was her
- 00:56:33first recheck appointment she'd been on
- 00:56:35messed and on and at this point she'd
- 00:56:40had radiographs taken there was no sign
- 00:56:43of a Meg esophagus and the owner
- 00:56:45reported that there were no signs of
- 00:56:47weakness at home that she could run and
- 00:56:49play and they haven't noticed any
- 00:56:51problems so I don't think it's been long
- 00:56:56enough that we've rechecked the titer
- 00:56:58I'll usually recheck a titer and four to
- 00:57:00six months on these guys and see if
- 00:57:02there you know have any change in
- 00:57:05they're tighter and just make sure
- 00:57:07they're not going into remission I would
- 00:57:09check it again a month later and make
- 00:57:11sure it's still normal and then weaning
- 00:57:13off of the medication this is a ten
- 00:57:15month old Yorkie that presented to our
- 00:57:17hospital for weakness
- 00:57:18the owner did report that this dog had
- 00:57:21been dropped a few months prior but they
- 00:57:24said there had been no symptoms that
- 00:57:25they had seen immediately after that
- 00:57:27happened but a few weeks prior to coming
- 00:57:29in here the owner reported the dog
- 00:57:31seemed weak in the back right leg it had
- 00:57:34x-rays of that leg with no abnormal
- 00:57:37findings had been treated with an in
- 00:57:39said and but it didn't seem to help and
- 00:57:42the weakness said and progress to
- 00:57:44involving the forelimbs and the owner
- 00:57:46reported the dog seemed ataxic
- 00:57:48he also at the time of presentation they
- 00:57:51reported a decreased appetite so neuro
- 00:57:53exam showed a normal mentation the dog
- 00:57:56seemed to not want to turn its head to
- 00:58:00the left when he was walking he had a
- 00:58:03generalized eighth axiom would lead to
- 00:58:04the left but would only turned to the
- 00:58:06right
- 00:58:07proprioception was decreased in both
- 00:58:09four limbs and mildly decreased in the
- 00:58:12left rear but normal in the right rear
- 00:58:13the dog had normal reflexes and was
- 00:58:16painful with cranial cervical palpation
- 00:58:19this dog was localized to a c15 lesion
- 00:58:24this is a young Yorkie our top
- 00:58:28differential was an Atlanta axial
- 00:58:30subluxation meningitis mellitus were
- 00:58:33also considerations as well as three
- 00:58:35Elia and a young dog like this the dog
- 00:58:38had a history of trauma so that was
- 00:58:40something that was still considered
- 00:58:42disco this would be an unusual breed to
- 00:58:47see that in but that's possible as well
- 00:58:49and then of course neoplasia unlikely
- 00:58:52and this young a dog but possible so
- 00:58:55based on the differentials the
- 00:58:58recommendation was to perform x-rays
- 00:59:01they were done with the dog awake so we
- 00:59:04usually start with them awake
- 00:59:05if we can't good get good radiographs we
- 00:59:07might have to sedate them but this dog
- 00:59:09had Atlanta axial subluxation so we cc1
- 00:59:14up here and see - they should be in
- 00:59:17alignment your keys are the most common
- 00:59:20breed to get Atlanta access subluxation
- 00:59:22usually they present before the age of
- 00:59:25two although sometimes they don't
- 00:59:26present - they're older I've seen it in
- 00:59:29a five six year old dog that was
- 00:59:30asymptomatic until something minor
- 00:59:32happened and then they became clinical
- 00:59:35like they someone stepped on the dog or
- 00:59:37it fell off the couch but they're they
- 00:59:40usually present under the age of two
- 00:59:41signs can be intermittent they can be
- 00:59:44painful or not they can be a toxic
- 00:59:50treatment is usually surgery unless for
- 00:59:55some reason surgery is not an option
- 00:59:57whether they have concurrent medical
- 00:59:59problems or financially they can't
- 01:00:00afford surgery if that's the case and
- 01:00:04medical treatment consists of putting
- 01:00:06these guys in a neck brace like this one
- 01:00:09so the neck brace in order to completely
- 01:00:12immobilize that c1 - joint has to come
- 01:00:15up over the head and then we usually you
- 01:00:18don't have to bring it back quite that
- 01:00:19far but usually bring it past the front
- 01:00:22legs we make these out of typically
- 01:00:25casting material that will just kind of
- 01:00:28mold to the top of the dog's head and
- 01:00:30back along hits back with the dog's head
- 01:00:33in a neutral position and then wrap it
- 01:00:36with bandage material so you want
- 01:00:38something a little bit rigid in there
- 01:00:40for these guys if they're really really
- 01:00:42tiny you don't have to put anything in
- 01:00:45there you can just make it out of
- 01:00:46bandage material the worry is that
- 01:00:49medical treatment that once you take
- 01:00:51this brace off usually leave it on for
- 01:00:52eight to ten weeks that if there is any
- 01:00:54sort of trauma that they can immediately
- 01:00:56go back to how they were so they can do
- 01:00:59really well in the brace it's just a
- 01:01:01worry about them long-term sometimes
- 01:01:04it's not apparent on x-rays as to what's
- 01:01:06going on and occasionally we do have to
- 01:01:09do MRI of these guys or CT with MRI the
- 01:01:13advantage is that we can see what's
- 01:01:15going on from a soft tissue standpoint
- 01:01:17what's going on with the spinal cord how
- 01:01:19compressed is it is there a lot of edema
- 01:01:21there and then often times these guys
- 01:01:23can have concurrent neurologic problems
- 01:01:25they it can have hydrocephalus they may
- 01:01:28have Siringo Marilia and if they do end
- 01:01:31up undergoing surgery once they've had
- 01:01:32surgery they can't have an MRI any at
- 01:01:34any point in their life once they have
- 01:01:36those metal implants there so I don't
- 01:01:38recommend that they all get it it just
- 01:01:41depends on if there's anything else on
- 01:01:42their neuro exam or history that would
- 01:01:45make us suspicious there's a concurrent
- 01:01:47problem that little guy he did have
- 01:01:49surgery there's multiple ways that these
- 01:01:52can be fixed surgically just kind of
- 01:01:54depends on what you're comfortable with
- 01:01:57how little these guys are what kind of
- 01:01:59implants we can get in there so this guy
- 01:02:01had surgery and this was him the next
- 01:02:03day he's still a little a toxic it's a
- 01:02:07little hard to tell cause he's so Wiggly
- 01:02:08he was happy so this this dog it did
- 01:02:11think it was a few weeks from when we
- 01:02:13diagnosed him to when we could do the
- 01:02:15surgery so we did put him in a neck
- 01:02:17brace and then in the meantime the
- 01:02:19owners I think said he was just so happy
- 01:02:21to be out of his neck brace and then
- 01:02:25this was him at his two-week recheck he
- 01:02:28was doing really well so we're not out
- 01:02:31of the woods with this one yet these
- 01:02:34guys need about eight to ten weeks of
- 01:02:35really strict rest I don't put them back
- 01:02:37in the neck brace after surgery
- 01:02:39some people will but as long as they are
- 01:02:41really careful they don't let this dog
- 01:02:43run around jump on her off any furniture
- 01:02:44they usually do fine without it there is
- 01:02:48a company in Canada that's making these
- 01:02:50more permanent neck braces that if the
- 01:02:53dogs aren't candidates for surgery and
- 01:02:55they need a more long-term solution you
- 01:02:58make a mold of them with casting
- 01:03:00material and send
- 01:03:01it you end up cutting it off and sending
- 01:03:03it to them and then they make these neck
- 01:03:05braces that can be taken on and off so
- 01:03:08they can wear this long term I haven't
- 01:03:10done one yet but we had a dog come in
- 01:03:13that had had one of these made at UT and
- 01:03:15it actually seemed to work pretty well
- 01:03:18the next case is a nine year old male
- 01:03:21neutered Basenji max this dog presented
- 01:03:24for a left rear limb lameness of three
- 01:03:28to four months duration the dog had been
- 01:03:30seen by multiple people he'd been in
- 01:03:32even on our ER service had rads of the
- 01:03:36limb had been treated with Brett rest
- 01:03:38insides there was just no improvement
- 01:03:41and so eventually he made his way to me
- 01:03:44there was no explanation for this
- 01:03:47lameness most of the time with a
- 01:03:50lameness really gonna look for something
- 01:03:52worth Pedic first but then when
- 01:03:53sometimes when nothing can be found then
- 01:03:55we start wearing is this actually a
- 01:03:56neurologic problem so this guy presented
- 01:03:59he was not a toxic but he had a left or
- 01:04:01a limb lameness and most the time he
- 01:04:03would just hold that leg up and walk on
- 01:04:04the other three and he did have a
- 01:04:07perceptive deficit in that leg when I
- 01:04:10did his testing as well as a week
- 01:04:13withdrawal so based on the week
- 01:04:15withdrawal the decreased perception in
- 01:04:18that leg I suspected a left-sided l4s -
- 01:04:23lesion specifically a lesion of the left
- 01:04:25side attic nerve one thing to point out
- 01:04:27is this guy had an increased patella
- 01:04:30reflex in the left rear which you would
- 01:04:33normally think of as seeing with the
- 01:04:37upper motor neuron lesion but
- 01:04:40occasionally if you have a sciatic nerve
- 01:04:43deficit then the patellar on that same
- 01:04:45side will be increased because you don't
- 01:04:47have the antagonism so you'll get a
- 01:04:49pseudo it's called a pseudo
- 01:04:50hyperreflexia in this patient when I see
- 01:04:54these guys I hate to get tunnel vision
- 01:04:56but to see something like this my top
- 01:05:00differential is going to be a nerve
- 01:05:01sheet tumor we certainly can see
- 01:05:04lateralized IV DD but to be that
- 01:05:06lateralized
- 01:05:08really unusual so unfortunately before
- 01:05:13even doing any Diagnostics on these I
- 01:05:15tell these people that were pretty much
- 01:05:18doing Diagnostics to confirm a tumor and
- 01:05:21we hope that we're wrong and find
- 01:05:23something else but most of the time
- 01:05:25these are gonna be tumors and MRI is
- 01:05:28definitely the modality of choice for
- 01:05:31looking for these they can be hard to
- 01:05:33find this one was actually a little bit
- 01:05:35difficult to find mean this this is the
- 01:05:38tumor kind of tracking back so this is
- 01:05:40the the pelvis the sacrum this is l7
- 01:05:43this is the lumbosacral space this is a
- 01:05:48parasagittal image so we're just off the
- 01:05:52left side of the spine and back here is
- 01:05:57the pelvis and these are the nerve roots
- 01:05:59the thickened nerve roots coming off
- 01:06:00between l67 and l7 s1 back here and then
- 01:06:04this is the tumor up here this is a
- 01:06:06transverse or axial image this is
- 01:06:09actually colon under here so this is the
- 01:06:11top of the dog's back so this one we
- 01:06:15could find it but some of them are are
- 01:06:18small and they are hard hard to find
- 01:06:21these are typically seen in mature dogs
- 01:06:24usually large breeds they can involve
- 01:06:26the forelimb or the rear limb they are
- 01:06:30sometimes painful but I see a lot of
- 01:06:32these dogs that don't have obvious signs
- 01:06:33of pain and they oftentimes don't have
- 01:06:37proprioceptive deficits until later in
- 01:06:39the course of disease so it can be
- 01:06:40really tough to figure out that these
- 01:06:42are neurologic versus orthopedic
- 01:06:45unfortunately for these guys the
- 01:06:48prognosis is pretty poor so even with
- 01:06:51surgery the time to reoccurrence is
- 01:06:55pretty quick usually much less than a
- 01:06:57year these are coming back with when
- 01:07:00they're involving a nerve of the four
- 01:07:02limb amputation with excision of nerve
- 01:07:05roots is usually the treatment if it's
- 01:07:07involving a rear limb it often involves
- 01:07:09a Hemi pelvic to me as well as
- 01:07:10amputation a treatment that's not I'd
- 01:07:16say been used as often is radiation and
- 01:07:19there's actually been some reports that
- 01:07:20the
- 01:07:21guys can do better with radiation and
- 01:07:23surgery and have closer to a year before
- 01:07:26recurrence they don't usually have
- 01:07:28return a function of the limb so if they
- 01:07:31get radiation that's a big thing to
- 01:07:33explain the people is you know that
- 01:07:35doesn't usually lead to a ton of
- 01:07:36improvement it just slows down the
- 01:07:38disease and chemotherapy is rarely done
- 01:07:41it's not thought to really help these
- 01:07:43guys this is two more examples of ones
- 01:07:47that were a little bit more obvious this
- 01:07:49is a dog's head is up here we're looking
- 01:07:53down on the dog's the dorsal image this
- 01:07:56is after contrast and these two nerve
- 01:07:58roots coming off between see I think
- 01:08:00this was see one two and two three we're
- 01:08:03really thickened and then kind of joined
- 01:08:05together and then this is one exact in
- 01:08:07the pelvic limb again this is the spinal
- 01:08:09cord coming down the pelvis you can see
- 01:08:12a little bit of and this is after
- 01:08:13contrast this right here and here are
- 01:08:15the really big nerves coming off of the
- 01:08:18spinal cord all right this is a I
- 01:08:21realize when I put this talk together I
- 01:08:23didn't mean for it to have a lot of
- 01:08:24boxers in here but somehow it did this
- 01:08:29is a six month old female boxer who
- 01:08:31presented to me for a two-month history
- 01:08:33of pain decreased appetite a stiff gait
- 01:08:36and arched back the dog had been seen a
- 01:08:40few times by its veterinarian it had had
- 01:08:44radiographs taken when the sign started
- 01:08:47and then again about a month prior to
- 01:08:49seeing me the radiographs were normal
- 01:08:51both times the dog was treated with it
- 01:08:53and said not much improvement was seen
- 01:08:56the dog presented the dog's general
- 01:08:59physical exam including its TPR was
- 01:09:01normal a neurologic exam this dog did
- 01:09:07not appear ataxic but was stiff in the
- 01:09:09rear and just had a normal stance or a
- 01:09:12narrow stance and he was painful with
- 01:09:14palpation of the mid lumbar spine this
- 01:09:17dog localized to t3 l3 remember this dog
- 01:09:20is six months old so differentials were
- 01:09:24Disko spondylitis neoplasia and
- 01:09:28meningitis were were the big ones there
- 01:09:31history of trauma and this dog but it
- 01:09:32did live and a lot of acreage and the
- 01:09:36owner had some horses and I think cattle
- 01:09:40as well so it was something still we we
- 01:09:43considered although nothing was seen on
- 01:09:45previous rats but because this dog was
- 01:09:48so young I wasn't suspicious of
- 01:09:50something like a disc herniation
- 01:09:53I recommended repeating rads one more
- 01:09:56time just to make sure there wasn't a
- 01:09:58lesion that we could see that just
- 01:10:00wasn't apparent on previous x-rays so we
- 01:10:03radiograph this dog and between l34 you
- 01:10:08can see the end plates are very
- 01:10:10irregular there's a close-up of it so
- 01:10:13this dog had Disko spondylitis when I
- 01:10:15said this dog had been radiographed
- 01:10:17twice before I saw the radiographs they
- 01:10:19were normal and one of the sets of
- 01:10:22radiographs have been taken a month and
- 01:10:23so there's to this dog being clinical so
- 01:10:27that's the the big take-home message for
- 01:10:30me with disco is the radiographic signs
- 01:10:32can really lag behind clinical signs by
- 01:10:35up to eight weeks so if you're really
- 01:10:37suspicious of something like this
- 01:10:38sometimes just keep repeating
- 01:10:40radiographs to see if it shows up these
- 01:10:44are usually large breed dogs and they're
- 01:10:48painful these are some of the most
- 01:10:50painful dogs that I ever see so that's a
- 01:10:53big hallmark is there going to be
- 01:10:54painful sometimes they have pretty
- 01:10:57significant muscle atrophy locally where
- 01:11:02the lesion is and depending on how
- 01:11:04severe the lesion is they can have some
- 01:11:06purpose of deficits and they
- 01:11:08occasionally present completely down
- 01:11:10it's usually due to a bacterial
- 01:11:13infection staph and strep are the most
- 01:11:15common we occasionally see this due to
- 01:11:18fungal organisms I'm always suspicious
- 01:11:21if I see this in a German Shepherd that
- 01:11:23its fungal they tend to be predisposed
- 01:11:26to fungal / bacterial most of that we
- 01:11:29don't know where this infection comes
- 01:11:31from we certainly can see it with direct
- 01:11:33contamination like bite wounds or even
- 01:11:36post surgery that's pretty rare most the
- 01:11:39time we don't know where it came from
- 01:11:42once you do have a diagnosis
- 01:11:44which is usually made on radiographs
- 01:11:45then treatment is usually a pretty long
- 01:11:50course of antibiotics I usually
- 01:11:52recommend cultures of urine and blood
- 01:11:54but with urine there positive about a
- 01:11:57quarter of the time Bloods a little bit
- 01:11:59higher percentage so you a lot of times
- 01:12:00don't have a culture to go on so you
- 01:12:02want to treat with a fairly broad
- 01:12:05spectrum antibiotic or one that gets the
- 01:12:06most common agents if I have a client
- 01:12:10that's really money conscious I've
- 01:12:13treated lots of these dogs of cephalexin
- 01:12:15and that'll get about 80% of them so
- 01:12:18there is still a percentage that it's
- 01:12:19not going to treat but it'll treat a lot
- 01:12:21of them and these guys are I mean
- 01:12:23they're on antibiotics per month so I
- 01:12:25mean Clapham ox 8 rolls gonna be really
- 01:12:28expensive
- 01:12:29I've treated a lot of these guys with
- 01:12:31simple stuff and they've done really
- 01:12:33well and that's usually less expensive
- 01:12:34and in Clapham ox occasionally if
- 01:12:37they're not responding to treatment
- 01:12:38we've gone in and got a Coulter from the
- 01:12:40disk space but that's that's rarely
- 01:12:42needed that's if they're not responding
- 01:12:45[Music]
- 01:12:48if it's a German Shepherd always yep yep
- 01:12:52the America stuff yep if it's another
- 01:12:53breed I usually don't unless they're
- 01:12:55just not responding I think most of them
- 01:12:57I treat with cephalexin
- 01:12:59or simple self and then usually I'll
- 01:13:02recommend repeating rads every six to
- 01:13:04eight weeks to monitor these guys and
- 01:13:06you oftentimes they're gonna expect them
- 01:13:08to look worse radiographically even
- 01:13:10though clinically they're doing better
- 01:13:11so this what this was two months later
- 01:13:14and then by three and a half months
- 01:13:17later you can see it's fusing here and
- 01:13:19then five months later you see continued
- 01:13:24fusion but this point this looks pretty
- 01:13:28quiet this doesn't look like an active
- 01:13:30lesion we don't have continued lysis I'm
- 01:13:33usually pretty cautious with these guys
- 01:13:34and will continue to treat them
- 01:13:37sometimes longer but there's even a
- 01:13:39change from five months to seven months
- 01:13:41so we're still seeing changes on x-rays
- 01:13:44I'll continue to treat them until I see
- 01:13:47two sets of x-rays that that look the
- 01:13:49same our next case we're almost done
- 01:13:52this is a 10 year old boxer
- 01:13:55nerd who presented for a few months
- 01:13:58history of seizures this dog had been
- 01:14:01started on sanest might believe after he
- 01:14:03had maybe two seizures and the owner
- 01:14:05reported that the dog was otherwise
- 01:14:07normal they didn't notice any changes in
- 01:14:09its behavior at home and the only reason
- 01:14:13they actually brought the dog in was it
- 01:14:15had had two pretty violent seizures are
- 01:14:18a little worse than previous ones and
- 01:14:20the postictal phase was was lasting
- 01:14:22quite a while so they ended up bringing
- 01:14:23this dog in neurologically this dog
- 01:14:26looked pretty normal he had an
- 01:14:28inconsistent proprioceptive sit and both
- 01:14:30three legs but mentation was normal as
- 01:14:33gait was normal but we know this dog has
- 01:14:36a forebrain lesion he's got seizures
- 01:14:39differentials for this dog he's ten
- 01:14:42years old and he's a boxer are pretty
- 01:14:45much gonna breed tumor until proven
- 01:14:46otherwise it's always you know possible
- 01:14:49we could be dealing with some sort of
- 01:14:51infection or inflammatory disease
- 01:14:52possibly a stroke that then predisposed
- 01:14:56to stuck to having future seizures or in
- 01:14:59an older dog if you don't find anything
- 01:15:01we have this term cryptogenic epilepsy
- 01:15:03meaning you know it's not it doesn't fit
- 01:15:05with idiopathic but we don't have a
- 01:15:06reason for these seizures we recommended
- 01:15:09an MRI and this guy had this tumor here
- 01:15:14so this is a probable glioma so it's in
- 01:15:18the brain brachycephalic SAR more prone
- 01:15:20to these than any other breed when it
- 01:15:22comes to brain tumors and dogs they have
- 01:15:24quite a high incidence compared to to us
- 01:15:27and cats so unfortunately we we see a
- 01:15:30lot of brain tumors and dogs the
- 01:15:33symptoms really depend on the part of
- 01:15:34the brain that's affected if it's in the
- 01:15:36forebrain and seizures are the most
- 01:15:38common sign if it's in the brainstem
- 01:15:40which is we don't see brain tumors there
- 01:15:42nearly as commonly as in the forebrain
- 01:15:44but if we do then you're gonna see
- 01:15:46usually this tubular type signs glioma
- 01:15:48specifically again tend to affect
- 01:15:51brachycephalic breeds more than other
- 01:15:52and these tend to occur at a younger age
- 01:15:54so that boxer was ten but I'll say I see
- 01:15:58these more often in five six year old
- 01:16:00dogs so if I have a five year old boxer
- 01:16:04with seizures I'm still gonna be really
- 01:16:06worried about this
- 01:16:07treatment is either palliative which
- 01:16:09would be steroids and anticonvulsants
- 01:16:11surgery is an option for these guys
- 01:16:13sometimes but because these tumors are
- 01:16:16in the brain surgery is definitely not
- 01:16:17going to cure these guys or or often get
- 01:16:20all the tumor it's more debulking
- 01:16:23radiation is an option for these there's
- 01:16:26traditional fractionated radiation which
- 01:16:29is done over three four weeks or
- 01:16:31stereotactic radiation which is one two
- 01:16:34three treatments that's done in a row
- 01:16:38and the prognosis with radiation is
- 01:16:42average survival is around a year a
- 01:16:44little bit less and then chemotherapy
- 01:16:46can also be used for these guys but
- 01:16:48these these tend to be a little bit more
- 01:16:50aggressive tumors and the overall
- 01:16:51prognosis is still pretty poor even in
- 01:16:54people I believe the survival times are
- 01:16:57really dismal for for these tumors there
- 01:17:00is actually a clinical trial that just
- 01:17:03started at Mississippi State and that's
- 01:17:05actually where these people took this
- 01:17:07dog and they're doing a clinical trial
- 01:17:10that involves surgery so they're going
- 01:17:12in and debulking these tumors and then
- 01:17:15they are injecting into the tumor site
- 01:17:18and uncle it ik by hrus against days so
- 01:17:21they're working with UAB medical school
- 01:17:23and I believe the same trial is going on
- 01:17:27in people so they're comparing because
- 01:17:29these tumors are very similar to what
- 01:17:31what people get so this is this dog I
- 01:17:34believe a few days post-op he was still
- 01:17:36at Mississippi State he's at home now
- 01:17:39the owners report he's doing really well
- 01:17:40but I mean the trial just started last
- 01:17:43month so we don't have any out really
- 01:17:45you know long term outcomes yet to know
- 01:17:46this is gonna make a difference for
- 01:17:48these guys all right this will be our
- 01:17:50last one this is 11 year old female
- 01:17:53spayed Shepherd mix who had presented to
- 01:17:56me for abnormal behavior of several
- 01:17:58months which the owner described as the
- 01:18:00dog walking in circles although she said
- 01:18:02it didn't seem to be to one side or the
- 01:18:04other she was pacing walking into
- 01:18:07corners didn't really seem to respond to
- 01:18:09her name anymore had a decreased
- 01:18:11appetite the owner had been hand feeding
- 01:18:14this dog and giving her water by syringe
- 01:18:16for a month when she came in
- 01:18:18you would not drink at all this dog had
- 01:18:20actually been diagnosed with Cushing's
- 01:18:22two years prior to this and have been
- 01:18:24treated with trial a stain and then
- 01:18:26became an out of Sounion and so when I
- 01:18:28saw her she'd actually been off of trial
- 01:18:31a stain for a year she also had a
- 01:18:33history of pretty severely elevated
- 01:18:35liver enzymes which was actually thought
- 01:18:37to be potentially unrelated to her
- 01:18:40Cushing's so she'd been seen for that
- 01:18:42several times a neurologic exam showed
- 01:18:45very demented dog this dog just pasted
- 01:18:49in the exam room she sometimes would
- 01:18:51just had pressed she did not seem to
- 01:18:53respond to anything around her she was
- 01:18:58not a toxic and had actually normal
- 01:19:00proprioception but based on this dog
- 01:19:03signs of the pacing the demented Minh
- 01:19:06taken a forebrain lesion was suspected
- 01:19:09my big differentials for this dog were a
- 01:19:11tumor or cognitive dysfunction I've seen
- 01:19:14some of these guys with cognitive
- 01:19:15dysfunction that have looked really bad
- 01:19:17and this had been going on for a month
- 01:19:19so that was actually still a pretty big
- 01:19:21differential for this dog and then
- 01:19:23something like kepada concep allopathy
- 01:19:26based on her history was also a
- 01:19:28consideration so when we recommended an
- 01:19:30MRI and this dog had a pituitary macro
- 01:19:34adenoma this tumor was almost half the
- 01:19:37height of this dog's brain and this dog
- 01:19:41had never had a seizure this dog had no
- 01:19:43proprioceptive deficits you can see it
- 01:19:46this is a lateral or sagittal view how
- 01:19:48big this is and here's a normal
- 01:19:51pituitary for comparison so one of the
- 01:19:56big things I would say with these ones
- 01:19:58with pituitary tumors they don't follow
- 01:20:00the rules of other brain tumors and that
- 01:20:02they rarely have seizures they they
- 01:20:05don't have to present as demented as
- 01:20:07this dog did but they just come in for
- 01:20:10kind of subtle or nonspecific signs they
- 01:20:13don't want to eat they just seem a
- 01:20:14little off to the owner most of the
- 01:20:17tumors are functional but they can be
- 01:20:19non functional so they don't always have
- 01:20:20Cushing's when they have these they're
- 01:20:23considered a macro adenoma if they're
- 01:20:25greater than a centimeter on imaging so
- 01:20:28again the symptoms can be sometimes
- 01:20:30pretty nonspecific
- 01:20:32lethargy inner Exia are big ones that we
- 01:20:35don't see a lot of blindness with these
- 01:20:37just because the where these are located
- 01:20:39compared to in people they're actually
- 01:20:41not very close to the optic nerves or
- 01:20:43optic chiasm versus and people with
- 01:20:46pituitary tumors one of the more common
- 01:20:47symptoms is blindness because it presses
- 01:20:49on the optic chiasm
- 01:20:50but in dogs we don't see that although
- 01:20:52people will report they feel like their
- 01:20:54dog can't see well but then on exam they
- 01:20:56often still have a normal menace I think
- 01:20:58it's more of a cognitive issue not so
- 01:21:00much truly a visual problem and then
- 01:21:03they can't have seizures but it's not
- 01:21:05actually common these guys are the one
- 01:21:08brain tumor that can actually do really
- 01:21:10well with radiation the most brain
- 01:21:12tumors with radiation survival times
- 01:21:14about a year with these it's survival
- 01:21:18times are between 750 and 1400 days so
- 01:21:21they can do quite well and they can have
- 01:21:23a really big improvement in their
- 01:21:24symptoms with radiation surgery can be
- 01:21:27done although I believe when they get to
- 01:21:30be as big as this dog surgery's not an
- 01:21:31option but the only place I currently
- 01:21:33know of that actually does this surgery
- 01:21:35is Washington State this is this dog a
- 01:21:39month after radiation the owner decided
- 01:21:42to go to radiation she actually did
- 01:21:43stereotactic radiation up in Ohio where
- 01:21:47she had three treatment so it's three
- 01:21:49days in a row she she has a lameness she
- 01:21:52had a chronic lameness I don't remember
- 01:21:54the etiology of that but this dog still
- 01:21:57looked a little demented to me but this
- 01:22:00dog actually was following me around and
- 01:22:02responding to her name and the first
- 01:22:04time this dog came in she didn't know
- 01:22:06where she was like I said she she didn't
- 01:22:09respond to her name she had pressed in
- 01:22:10the corner the whole time
- 01:22:11so the Staub's not normal but and these
- 01:22:14will often improve for several months
- 01:22:17after radiation it takes time to see the
- 01:22:19full response but this owner was
- 01:22:22ecstatic she's like I had my dog back
- 01:22:23she responds to me she plays with me she
- 01:22:26was eating she was no longer being hand
- 01:22:28pad they usually have no side effects
- 01:22:30from the radiation they usually do
- 01:22:32really well stereotactic radiation is
- 01:22:35$9,000 so
- 01:22:37that's the that's the downside to it so
- 01:22:40the majority of these dogs still remain
- 01:22:42if they are cushingoid they still remain
- 01:22:43cushingoid potentially this dog would
- 01:22:45maybe need to go back on treatment at
- 01:22:49some point if she becomes clinical I
- 01:22:51think it's only a small percentage where
- 01:22:53it has enough effect on the pituitary
- 01:22:55that they don't need to be treated for
- 01:22:57their Cushing's but yeah I don't know of
- 01:22:58any reports of them having other like
- 01:23:01endocrine issues because of it alright
- 01:23:04we'll stop there any question
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