Leaving v/s staying in the US: 4 IIT-MIT-Purdue graduates discuss

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الملخص

TLDRThe video features a discussion among Arun, Rajat, Raj, and Shat, who share their educational backgrounds, experiences after returning to India, and thoughts on living and working in both India and the U.S. They touch on issues like satisfaction, decision-making, challenges such as cleanliness and traffic, and the impact of cultural differences on their lives and ambitions. Their perspectives on raising children, competition, and the future of India's socio-economic landscape illustrate their motivations and goals, emphasizing a desire to contribute positively to Indian society while navigating the associated challenges.

الوجبات الجاهزة

  • 🎓 Arun Krishna Das completed his PhD at MIT and works in AI and Acoustics.
  • 🔥 Rajat Dander, co-founder of a tech startup, focuses on AI in education.
  • 👬 Raj and Rajat are identical twins who both transferred knowledge and experiences from their studies in the US to India.
  • 🏠 Shat Panat is also a co-founder of a startup and graduated from MIT in 2022.
  • 🇮🇳 The speakers express no regret about returning to India and highlight a sense of peace.
  • 🌏 Comparison of living in India and the US weighs heavily on societal aspects and quality of life.
  • 💰 Discussions touched on the importance of financial stability versus following one's passions in careers.
  • 🤝 The importance of family and community in India contrasts with experiences in the US.
  • 📈 Vision for contributing to India's growth in technology and education is shared by the speakers.
  • 👶 Perspectives on raising children reflect the diverse cultural influences in India versus the US.

الجدول الزمني

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Arun introduces himself, mentioning his PhD in computational acoustics from MIT and current work at 3M, while Rajat talks about his BTech and MTech from IIT Madras and co-founding Uara Technologies with his twin brother, Raj. Shat, also a co-founder of Viu Labs, shares their long-standing friendship since undergrad.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The group discusses their collective decision to return to India post-PhD, sharing feelings of satisfaction and no regrets, even amidst initial challenges. They acknowledge the benefits of family support and personal growth experienced after moving back.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Arun contrasts his experience in the US and the possibility of returning to India, contemplating potential regrets over life choices, including salary differences and work-life balance implications surrounding living and working conditions.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    The discussion turns towards financial comparisons between the US and India, where Arun shares insights about saving and spending, while the others reflect on the long-term benefits versus challenges of startup life in India compared to corporate stability in the US.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Rajat emphasizes the importance of creating value rather than focusing on status symbols, while Shat echoes the idea of prioritizing independence and community impact through entrepreneurial ventures in India.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Time is spent on discussions about raising children in different environments, weighing the benefits of navigating chaos in India versus the more structured support system of the US, showcasing the cultural and systemic differences impacting child-rearing.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The group acknowledges the challenges of societal expectations related to career choices and personal decisions, particularly in the Indian context versus the US, while reflecting on the personal and professional sacrifices made for entrepreneurial goals.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    They discuss the importance of having a vision and setting ambitious goals to drive meaningful change within India, focusing on the potential for growth in AI and education sectors as a driving force for progress.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    The topic of competition in education systems is addressed, reflecting on how it shapes individuals and societal expectations, concluding with thoughts on the importance of fostering a supportive environment for future generations in both the US and India.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:54:47

    As they wrap up, the group expresses optimism about contributing to India's growth trajectory, aiming to create lasting value and impact, showcasing their commitment to personal and professional aspirations in a rapidly evolving landscape.

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فيديو أسئلة وأجوبة

  • What are the educational backgrounds of the speakers?

    Arun finished his PhD at MIT in Computational Acoustics, Rajat completed his PhD at Purdue in Computational Fluid Mechanics, and Raj finished his PhD at MIT in Computational Science. Shat also graduated from MIT.

  • Why did the speakers return to India?

    They discussed their satisfaction with their decision to return and highlighted the desire to contribute to India's growth and their connection to family and community.

  • Do the speakers have any regrets about returning to India?

    None reported having significant regrets; they emphasized overall satisfaction with their current situation.

  • What are some challenges faced by the speakers in India?

    They mentioned issues like cleanliness, traffic discipline, and societal pressures but also highlighted the sense of community and support available.

  • How do they view competition in India?

    They debated whether competition is a pro or con, with mixed feelings about its impact on the learning experience.

  • What is their vision for future contributions in India?

    They discussed ambitions to create significant educational and technological contributions, with a focus on building an AI ecosystem and awareness.

  • What factors influence their thoughts on raising children?

    They expressed varied opinions on the values from both Indian and U.S. cultures, highlighting respect, personal freedom, and expectations.

  • How do they perceive the differences in lifestyle between India and the U.S.?

    There are positive aspects to both countries, including frustration with societal norms in India and a preference for the work-life balance in the U.S.

  • What's the speakers' perspective on the future of India?

    They expressed optimism about India’s growth and the potential to be at the forefront of that change.

  • What drives their career decisions?

    The discussions highlighted a strong motivation to have a meaningful impact through their careers, whether through entrepreneurship or corporate roles.

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التمرير التلقائي:
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    hi can you quickly introduce yourself
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    yeah hi uh my name is Arun Krishna Das I
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    finished my PhD in uh May 2023 from MIT
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    I did it in the area of computational
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    Acoustics uh in mechanical engineering
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    department and currently work as a
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    senior research engineer at 3M for the
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    last one and a half years in uh doing a
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    little bit of uh AI neuros symbolic
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    reasoning uh and Acoustics for 3M
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    products
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    my name is rajat dander uh I've done my
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    btech and mtech from IIT Madras in 2018
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    and post that I did my PhD from Purdue
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    in the field of computation fluid
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    mechanics and currently uh I am the
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    co-founder uh of uara Technologies and
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    we work at the intersection of AI and
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    education hi my name is Raj dander I'm
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    the twin brother of rajat as you can see
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    um I also graduated from Mi Madras 2017
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    um patch of mechanical engineering and
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    then finished my PhD at MIT in
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    computational science came back to India
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    in 2022 and now along with rajat and
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    shat I'm the third co-founder of viu
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    labs and I'm shat panat I also one of
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    the co-founders of vua I graduated from
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    MIT in 2022 November and came back to
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    India immediately after uh we we have
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    all known each other since 2012 2013 so
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    almost like 12 13 years now since our
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    undergraduate at I Madras so maybe we
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    can discuss a little bit about our
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    career trajectories and why we decided
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    to do certain things and um maybe you
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    have done things differently than the
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    three of us you are still working in the
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    US after your PhD and we are not so
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    maybe we can anchor our questions around
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    uh our decision to stay back versus our
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    decision to come back to India so
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    um maybe I can start with both of you
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    you you have been back back to India
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    since last two years do you regret
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    coming
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    back so yeah it has been uh around two
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    and a half years uh since we came back
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    to India and um I would say initially it
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    was it was a bit of a struggle to get
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    used to
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    uh like a lot of things we will discuss
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    about that eventually but right now we
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    are at a stage where things are going
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    quite smoothly and there is a sense of
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    satisfaction and peace which is there
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    mentally and that is like at a very
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    subconscious level but overall I would
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    say I don't regret the decision of
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    coming back to India at
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    all yeah yeah I would say the same thing
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    so regret is not at all an emotion which
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    is there since the last one and half two
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    years ever since we came came to India
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    it's like we decided Ed to do this and
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    then regret was never never there at all
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    it's like whatever disadvantages or were
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    there or whatever drawbacks were there
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    you kind of just assume it and uh try to
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    overcome that so yeah among all other
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    feelings regret never came into my mind
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    at all what about
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    you yeah I also don't have regrets
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    that you know if I were to time travel I
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    would take a different decision I don't
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    think so but uh of course there are
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    smaller scale things which I miss uh
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    like cleanliness or uh discipline in the
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    traffic air
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    quality um
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    maybe better quality food things like
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    that which uh are maybe easier to get in
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    more developed places but other than
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    that overall my decision of coming back
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    to India I have not regretted not not
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    only that I have I'm probably the
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    happiest in my life right now so I I am
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    absolutely making it work out um so Arun
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    you are still working in the US so I
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    have two questions to you if you had
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    come back to India to right after your
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    PhD for maybe doing research or maybe
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    working in a company whatever it was
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    would you have regretted it plus now
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    that you are working in the US let's say
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    you work there for 30 35 years and maybe
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    when you 60 or something would you
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    regret not taking the decision of you
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    know coming back to
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    India so the first question uh yes so
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    I'm uh just to give some like numbers
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    and data I have looked at like so I work
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    in a Fortune 100 company as I mentioned
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    earlier uh similar kind of job in India
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    for a specialized person like me is the
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    area of computational Acoustics which is
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    still respected and and stuff in the US
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    um
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    I don't find similar quality of uh
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    salary here even if you account for the
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    uh cost parity and
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    differences um I am able to easily save
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    uh individually in excess of like five
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    roughly $5,000 per month uh which is
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    like four lakhs per month um this is
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    after you have certain amounts that go
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    into your 401k that's for your like you
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    know lifetime savings post retire and
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    and insurance and all of those things
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    which which are basically Necessities in
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    the
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    US so that uh kind of tells me it's
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    always going to be a struggle unless I
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    do something like you guys which is a
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    startup and individual uh control of
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    what you're doing then probably yes uh
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    India could work but uh and then also my
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    wife works in the area of as a data
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    scientist for her it may work I know
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    like Amazon and certain big companies do
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    pay quite a bit uh accounting for the
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    parity differences you can see save
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    quite a bit but I am like a specialized
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    person even though I'm like
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    transitioning into certain of these
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    fields right now so may not be the best
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    fit for me in that in that sense uh and
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    the second question about like staying
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    there for like 30 plus years would I
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    regret coming back to India I want to
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    like post it in the form of additional
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    yeah additional questions right now I'm
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    sure like say 30 years there that's an
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    excess of close to like uh like
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    individually saving I would say roughly
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    my estimates place like between 5 to $10
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    million uh that's a significant amount
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    of money for like uh that can like set
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    you on to relax for the rest of your
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    life with your grandkids and stuff and
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    this is basically me enjoying a pretty
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    relaxed work life balance and everything
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    so good quality of life that sets you on
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    a decent path I know that may or may not
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    be sufficient for certain people who are
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    really ambitious but for a large section
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    of the population that's sufficient uh
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    and the the question I want to POs to
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    you guys is what about the other things
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    I'm not regretting this as of this
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    moment I don't know if I'll regret it in
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    30 years uh but my wife says so she and
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    I kind of not fight but debate with each
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    other she is someone who wants to come
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    back to India I'm someone who pulls her
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    away from India uh and the things she
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    says is like family uh food the fact
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    that food as in Indian food is what we
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    like so obviously access then the
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    ability to get people to help in
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    different context that you almost cannot
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    afford in the US you know you cannot
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    afford people who will cook food for you
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    at ,000 per month because that takes a
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    significant amount of your savings away
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    uh and uh these are things which she
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    says which which are very valuable for
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    her but things which I say is we have a
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    puy quality of life with the puppy is
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    better there uh like you said Road and
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    traffic cleanliness uh because I have
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    like allergies and stuff every time I
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    come to India which I do not experience
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    their air quality index and stuff and
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    diversity of thought this is something
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    which I do not know maybe in India with
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    the current generation it and all of
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    those things it's going to be like
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    possible to have very good of thought
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    but I have a team where one is from the
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    Middle East one is from China One is
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    from the US one is from India and many
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    are Americans that naturally gives
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    diversity of thought from the fact that
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    they're all born and brought up
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    differently so I wonder whether that
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    will that I will get here I enjoy that
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    like people who tell things like they
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    had fought War they had experienced Wars
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    in Greece or people who said that they
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    have migrated from China and then
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    experienced a lot of troubles to get
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    their green card in the US these are
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    discussions which like enrich your
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    overall thought process so that's like a
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    question I want to ask you guys like how
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    about
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    uh Pros which my wife said which I keep
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    countering because she's my wife I can
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    counter but the things which I said are
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    like genuine concerns that I have five
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    of those things like what are your
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    thoughts on any of
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    those uh yeah maybe I can uh take one or
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    two of those concerns yeah so uh with
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    respect to help and support from the
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    closed ones I would say that that is
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    definitely a positive and
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    uh how it helped help is that like let's
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    say as a business you're going to look
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    for let's say a co-working space or or
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    many other things that you want to do
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    there is always a team in India I feel
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    that that helps you uh achieve that
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    particular thing and there is a sense of
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    support that you feel uh for every
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    decision that you are that you are
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    taking and uh another example I can give
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    is that uh recently we move to a new
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    apartment and that whole uh like the
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    entire Logistics of like setting up the
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    furniture and making sure that
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    everything works functionally then
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    cooking Etc because of the people around
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    that whole process was made so much
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    easier that we could relax and focus on
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    the work and growing our business and
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    this is something which gives me a lot
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    of Peace whenever I'm working so that is
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    a positive regarding the diversity of of
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    thought I I definitely understand what
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    you mean and I I used to interact with
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    people from different nationalities in
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    the US here that is that is missing to
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    some
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    extent uh especially when let's say you
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    have employees who are working with you
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    you cannot be yourself when you're
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    discussing with them you can discuss
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    about certain things but you cannot
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    truly express your opinions because it's
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    like finally your objective is to
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    you know get get work done from from
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    those people so that is something which
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    which I feel is missing from Office life
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    that largely it is not like a discussion
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    Le environment but it's more like like a
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    top down or a
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    hierarchical environment sometimes not
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    not
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    always but yeah that is that is
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    definitely something
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    which which is maybe a negative of
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    living here with respect to cleanliness
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    we have identified areas around our
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    apartment and and co-working which are
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    which are pretty clean and we avoid
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    going to areas which are not very clean
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    unless there is a business visit so uh
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    that is something which can be optimized
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    I think it takes some time but
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    eventually you can find a niche area
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    even in India where the cleanliness is
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    kind of comparable to us not with
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    respect to air quality index I think
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    that will never be comparable even in
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    the long term but with respect to in
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    general hygiene of the place Etc and
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    then facilities can always find a
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    niche yeah maybe Raj and Shri you want
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    to yeah so diversity of thoughts I would
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    say I had a better experience from the
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    US people from
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    different cultures and different
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    countries uh who probably won't get
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    offended on
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    speaking your mind in a in a way which
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    is not personal but more like you can
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    speak different ideas and people still
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    be willing to listen and debate with you
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    that is
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    maybe um first of all I haven't
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    attempted those debates but uh I can see
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    that many family members or close people
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    who can get emotionally agitated when
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    you bring up certain topics for
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    debate um so diversity of thoughts is in
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    uh I would say when you are more in a
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    population from like so we live in Pune
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    so most of the people are either from
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    Pune or uh people whom we know closely
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    from uh similar places as us so the
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    diversity of culture and thoughts are a
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    bit less but I also understand that in
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    India there are all types of cultures
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    and all types of so if you travel a lot
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    in India maybe you will get to
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    experience a lot more different cultures
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    but if you are primarily staying in one
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    place uh probably you don't get to you
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    don't get to experience that that much
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    as being in one place in the US where
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    people come from all parts of the world
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    if you are in a city um the thing that
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    bothers me the most is uh
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    cleanliness and lack of discipline in
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    the traffic
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    um people you can easily see that when
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    there is a traffic jam people the the
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    wiser thing to do is like just wait
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    for the road ahead you to clear a little
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    bit leave some space And if every every
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    one did that it would clear very fast
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    but no one does that so traffic takes a
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    lot of time sometimes to clear up so
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    these kinds of things but it's also like
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    the Nash equilibrium or something right
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    in Game Theory like people uh I guess
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    that's what it is right people take
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    selfit selfish decisions and overall the
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    outcome ends up being bad for everyone
  • 00:13:50
    so probably there is no solution for
  • 00:13:53
    that um I really like the I think
  • 00:13:59
    if you can manage to get homade food
  • 00:14:03
    which are a bit organic and stuff like
  • 00:14:05
    that Indian food is very balanced and I
  • 00:14:08
    think it's very healthy uh not if you
  • 00:14:10
    are eating from restaurants and not if
  • 00:14:12
    you are ordering from SGI tomato but
  • 00:14:16
    when I look at my grandmother she she
  • 00:14:19
    has been eating the same kind of food
  • 00:14:21
    has never had access to restaurant food
  • 00:14:24
    or online ordered food home homecooked
  • 00:14:27
    food probably not rich in protein mostly
  • 00:14:29
    maybe carbohydrates but still has had a
  • 00:14:32
    pretty she's still I think she's 84 or
  • 00:14:36
    85 or something like that uh very you
  • 00:14:39
    know very good health with respect to
  • 00:14:41
    her age so and the kind of food that she
  • 00:14:44
    eats I think is overall very good and I
  • 00:14:47
    think if everyone in India could manage
  • 00:14:50
    to eat like that home homemade
  • 00:14:52
    food uh taste personally taste wise and
  • 00:14:56
    healthwise I find it better than what is
  • 00:14:59
    available in the US in in the US
  • 00:15:01
    everything is Big portions are big
  • 00:15:03
    calorie density is more everything is
  • 00:15:06
    Big so maybe it's it's well suited
  • 00:15:09
    for people who are from the us but as an
  • 00:15:13
    Indian whose whose body is maybe 20%
  • 00:15:16
    smaller maybe I don't need that big
  • 00:15:17
    portions I think my body is better
  • 00:15:19
    suited for Indian kind of food so that
  • 00:15:21
    part I don't regret uh but I don't know
  • 00:15:23
    if that was one of the Five Points which
  • 00:15:25
    you mentioned you mentioned Dei
  • 00:15:26
    cleanliness air quality air quality yeah
  • 00:15:28
    for sure uh in many parts of India I
  • 00:15:31
    don't have air quality issue like Kerala
  • 00:15:33
    I don't have much issue I I like the air
  • 00:15:36
    quality I like the surroundings but in
  • 00:15:39
    places where there is a lot of traffic
  • 00:15:41
    there is a lot of dust Rising especially
  • 00:15:42
    if you are walking along the food path I
  • 00:15:46
    I don't like it in Delhi gooda I'll
  • 00:15:48
    probably won't visit those places or
  • 00:15:50
    I'll try to stay away from uh highly air
  • 00:15:53
    air polluted I also have breathing
  • 00:15:54
    issues sometimes so I don't like to be
  • 00:15:57
    near places where there is a air quality
  • 00:15:59
    index
  • 00:16:00
    problem um
  • 00:16:03
    and yeah probably yeah the five things
  • 00:16:07
    that you were saying but five things I
  • 00:16:08
    said but three of those were what you
  • 00:16:10
    discussed City of thought and
  • 00:16:12
    cleanliness and uh traffic yeah one more
  • 00:16:17
    thing I felt which could be improved in
  • 00:16:19
    India is accountability of people let's
  • 00:16:21
    say somebody does a crime or someone
  • 00:16:22
    involves in a
  • 00:16:25
    um a road traffic accident or something
  • 00:16:28
    like that there is very much much lack
  • 00:16:29
    of accountability uh it's it's uh people
  • 00:16:33
    people don't get punished by being held
  • 00:16:37
    accountable for what they do maybe
  • 00:16:39
    because the uh judicial system is slow
  • 00:16:43
    or overburdened because there is a lot
  • 00:16:45
    of population lot of issues to take care
  • 00:16:47
    of uh I I'm I'm just wishfully thinking
  • 00:16:51
    if that was better um but yeah I would I
  • 00:16:55
    would agree with most of the issues
  • 00:16:56
    which you raised as points uh
  • 00:16:59
    to my defense I would say still those
  • 00:17:02
    are points which are not the make or
  • 00:17:06
    break factor in my decision to come back
  • 00:17:08
    it was purely based on I would say
  • 00:17:09
    freedom like I don't want to work for
  • 00:17:13
    someone and I don't want to play the
  • 00:17:16
    game of H1B Visa or green card I don't
  • 00:17:18
    want to stay at the edge of always on
  • 00:17:21
    the edge thinking that if I lose the job
  • 00:17:23
    in 60 days I have to find another job
  • 00:17:24
    otherwise I'll be I'll have to leave I
  • 00:17:27
    recently talked to one of my
  • 00:17:29
    acquaintances who had to leave
  • 00:17:31
    after uh his Masters because he could
  • 00:17:34
    not get hn B Visa I mean he yeah he
  • 00:17:37
    could not find a job within certain
  • 00:17:38
    number of
  • 00:17:39
    days um I'm sure you also know some
  • 00:17:42
    friends who probably got laid off and
  • 00:17:43
    then had to come back by leaving
  • 00:17:45
    everything behind so so I find that to
  • 00:17:48
    be like um I find that to be equivalent
  • 00:17:52
    of treatment like a second class citizen
  • 00:17:54
    uh which I don't like that much um so
  • 00:17:57
    although India has lot of issues I feel
  • 00:17:59
    like it gives me a good footing where I
  • 00:18:02
    I won't get deported or I won't get sent
  • 00:18:04
    away to some other place um if I don't
  • 00:18:08
    have a job I can be here I can take my
  • 00:18:11
    own time to build things and and it
  • 00:18:13
    makes me feel like uh uh this this is my
  • 00:18:17
    home and I can I can be here I can go to
  • 00:18:19
    my parents house or someone else's house
  • 00:18:21
    I can stay there uh I feel like number
  • 00:18:23
    of options for me personally is higher
  • 00:18:25
    here and but if I were an employee in a
  • 00:18:30
    maybe um I would have thought us as a
  • 00:18:33
    better option because of higher pay and
  • 00:18:35
    rest of the things that come with it
  • 00:18:36
    come with it but from the point of view
  • 00:18:38
    of doing what you want to do by running
  • 00:18:42
    a startup to me India looks
  • 00:18:45
    more um much better what about you Raj
  • 00:18:49
    your
  • 00:18:51
    thoughts oh yeah so uh yeah I agree that
  • 00:18:55
    there are issues for sure but in my
  • 00:18:57
    thinking it's like uh you have certain
  • 00:18:59
    goals um and I a very goal oriented
  • 00:19:02
    person and that goal for me is very
  • 00:19:04
    clear that ultimately after 10 to 15
  • 00:19:06
    years uh we want to create some sort of
  • 00:19:09
    an AI Institute which would have five
  • 00:19:11
    floors or 10 floors one floor would be
  • 00:19:14
    data analysis one floor would be natural
  • 00:19:16
    language processing one would be large
  • 00:19:17
    language models one would be AGI maybe
  • 00:19:20
    top floor is Agi so it's like that
  • 00:19:23
    research lab in India which produces
  • 00:19:24
    highest quality research um best quality
  • 00:19:29
    courses and talent from all over the
  • 00:19:31
    world similar to Labs like open AI um
  • 00:19:34
    research coming out of meta research
  • 00:19:36
    coming out of Nvidia my vision is that
  • 00:19:39
    why can't India have such type of
  • 00:19:42
    worldclass AI Labs which produ
  • 00:19:44
    consistently produced high quality AI
  • 00:19:46
    research and now that this has come into
  • 00:19:49
    Limelight a bit more after deep seek and
  • 00:19:51
    the discussion has started very
  • 00:19:53
    seriously like why can't India have
  • 00:19:55
    their own foundational models but this
  • 00:19:57
    is just the tip of the I I think if you
  • 00:19:59
    look at the problem more closely it's
  • 00:20:02
    like it's a systemic problem um Indian
  • 00:20:05
    phds go to the US they work for us
  • 00:20:07
    companies because of better
  • 00:20:09
    opportunities so such type of
  • 00:20:11
    Institutions are not there in India so
  • 00:20:14
    to start something like this we need to
  • 00:20:16
    contribute from the roots from the
  • 00:20:17
    school system from the college system to
  • 00:20:19
    the university system you need to build
  • 00:20:21
    courses you need to uh raise a culture
  • 00:20:24
    of awareness with respect to research in
  • 00:20:27
    students in college students
  • 00:20:29
    that's exactly what we are doing I feel
  • 00:20:31
    and the goal of reaching that that
  • 00:20:34
    Vision that for me Shadows everything
  • 00:20:36
    else so cleanliness issues yeah it's
  • 00:20:38
    there but uh there are problems right
  • 00:20:41
    but I want to reach my goal and I want
  • 00:20:43
    to reach there in 5 years or 10 years
  • 00:20:46
    time so all these issues are not even in
  • 00:20:48
    my thought honestly because being in
  • 00:20:51
    India I can do everything which takes me
  • 00:20:55
    to that goal I don't see a need to go to
  • 00:20:56
    the US or Europe or anywhere else
  • 00:20:59
    why would I be in the US if I want to
  • 00:21:00
    make a foundational llm model based out
  • 00:21:03
    of India or if I want to start an open
  • 00:21:06
    AI in
  • 00:21:08
    India why would I be in the US right so
  • 00:21:11
    issues are there for sure like roads are
  • 00:21:13
    not clean uh sometimes people are not
  • 00:21:16
    disciplined they are not held
  • 00:21:17
    accountable as you discussed but it's
  • 00:21:20
    like the the the fire for creating that
  • 00:21:22
    vision is so high that everything is
  • 00:21:24
    like like very small like I don't even
  • 00:21:27
    see these problem
  • 00:21:30
    so I think it's also about Vision right
  • 00:21:33
    what you want and where you are right
  • 00:21:35
    now and and also about priorities maybe
  • 00:21:39
    I get it some people have priorities
  • 00:21:40
    that they want to stay in a place which
  • 00:21:42
    is clean have have a stable life um 9
  • 00:21:45
    to5 job but that's not my priority my
  • 00:21:48
    thing is to get to that place after 10
  • 00:21:50
    years
  • 00:21:52
    and okay to get there what's the best
  • 00:21:55
    thing I could do right now viu Labs is
  • 00:21:57
    probably the best thing I could do right
  • 00:21:59
    now we are doing it
  • 00:22:01
    so there are issues but I don't think
  • 00:22:04
    about them at all honestly in the last
  • 00:22:06
    one year I would have spent maybe 0.1%
  • 00:22:10
    thinking about whether I should be in
  • 00:22:11
    the India or us I think people should
  • 00:22:14
    just whereever they are they should just
  • 00:22:17
    just attain their Vision just work hard
  • 00:22:20
    get what you
  • 00:22:22
    want yeah so that is about the first
  • 00:22:25
    point second point is with respect to
  • 00:22:26
    openness right uh um to that I have
  • 00:22:29
    experienced actually because if you look
  • 00:22:32
    with respect to marriage right now uh in
  • 00:22:35
    Indian culture you are expected to marry
  • 00:22:37
    after at a certain age and I am also
  • 00:22:40
    feeling that pressure at this moment
  • 00:22:41
    honestly where the society just bends
  • 00:22:44
    you into their will that okay if you
  • 00:22:47
    don't marry you you're like an outcast
  • 00:22:49
    and the openness to thought is not there
  • 00:22:51
    you have to marry by 32 33 this would
  • 00:22:54
    not be there if I were in the US for
  • 00:22:55
    sure but it's not a break make break
  • 00:22:58
    point um I can deal with my family who
  • 00:23:01
    who is putting this pressure and I can
  • 00:23:03
    convince them I can be in the system and
  • 00:23:06
    deal with these points but I also faced
  • 00:23:08
    a similar situation in Boston when
  • 00:23:10
    someone told me to go back to
  • 00:23:13
    Egypt and that when I when I heard that
  • 00:23:16
    that is something I cannot deal with it
  • 00:23:18
    feels like you are not welcome in this
  • 00:23:21
    country right whereas here people say
  • 00:23:23
    things more out of a sense of care like
  • 00:23:25
    you get married because it's a good
  • 00:23:26
    thing for you but in the US they say it
  • 00:23:29
    more out of a sense of like okay you
  • 00:23:31
    leave this country and I faced this one
  • 00:23:34
    or two times not more um but even if you
  • 00:23:38
    hear this once or twice you feel like
  • 00:23:40
    what what am I doing here why don't I be
  • 00:23:43
    with my own people right so openness is
  • 00:23:45
    there in my lab also there are people
  • 00:23:47
    from Morocco people from Europe India
  • 00:23:49
    Korea China great conversations great
  • 00:23:52
    perspectives but overall you feel like
  • 00:23:54
    you're living in a country where you are
  • 00:23:55
    not welcome and I know
  • 00:23:59
    other other of my friends when they hear
  • 00:24:01
    these things they just leave it and
  • 00:24:03
    99.5% of their life is fine but that
  • 00:24:06
    point. 5% I was not able to
  • 00:24:08
    forget and that that I think it's like
  • 00:24:12
    yeah so openness I
  • 00:24:16
    feel what did you experience something
  • 00:24:19
    like that in the US around that you were
  • 00:24:22
    not welcome here or something like
  • 00:24:26
    that yeah we have uh I mean us by
  • 00:24:30
    default especially New England I would
  • 00:24:31
    say are do have racist people in in
  • 00:24:35
    certain uh parts of it like internal New
  • 00:24:37
    England we have faced it Raj like in a
  • 00:24:40
    restaurant and we were not given a seat
  • 00:24:42
    once and you know they gave it to
  • 00:24:43
    somebody else and stuff um so I'm not
  • 00:24:45
    denying that but like I don't experience
  • 00:24:48
    it most of the time and then there's
  • 00:24:50
    also another segment of certain blue
  • 00:24:52
    States like Minnesota and and
  • 00:24:55
    Massachusetts also blue and at least
  • 00:24:57
    Boston area and I mean blue I mean like
  • 00:24:59
    uh Democrats versus conservative
  • 00:25:03
    Republicans so I have my current company
  • 00:25:05
    where I have like really good support
  • 00:25:08
    from people who want genuinely to get me
  • 00:25:11
    a green card they willing to write
  • 00:25:13
    letters even from really high level like
  • 00:25:15
    Executive Vice Presidents and uh CTO and
  • 00:25:19
    almost like so I feel like they value
  • 00:25:22
    the immigrants at least the intelligent
  • 00:25:25
    educated uh folks working in Fortune 100
  • 00:25:27
    companies which then makes you feel
  • 00:25:29
    welcome in that way uh but like shat
  • 00:25:32
    said yes I do I think about the fact
  • 00:25:34
    that you know I have an H1B Visa
  • 00:25:36
    appointment coming in a month uh whether
  • 00:25:39
    uh you know if it could go south when I
  • 00:25:40
    may not be able to go back to the US I
  • 00:25:43
    have my family there like right now my
  • 00:25:45
    wife and my puppy and stuff uh does that
  • 00:25:48
    cause stress yeah sure it does uh but
  • 00:25:52
    I'm pretty sure like the people who are
  • 00:25:53
    watching this video
  • 00:25:55
    95% would probably be closer to me than
  • 00:25:58
    to Raj in terms of having a vision or a
  • 00:26:00
    focus that
  • 00:26:01
    basically uh occludes all of these all
  • 00:26:05
    of these things that you're noticing in
  • 00:26:06
    front of you and just go towards your
  • 00:26:07
    vision like for me personally I like my
  • 00:26:11
    projects but I also think about all of
  • 00:26:13
    these other things uh and the fact that
  • 00:26:16
    this will enable me to have a good
  • 00:26:17
    salary and a good savings 30 years from
  • 00:26:20
    now so I'm thinking all of those things
  • 00:26:22
    I'm not like so Vision focused that I
  • 00:26:24
    can ignore all of those things which is
  • 00:26:26
    why on a day-to-day basis
  • 00:26:28
    uh us still works for me because the
  • 00:26:30
    pros outweigh the cons uh but for some
  • 00:26:34
    people like Raj the cons outweigh the
  • 00:26:35
    pros so I don't think there's like a
  • 00:26:37
    correct solution to everything I'm
  • 00:26:38
    pretty sure my wife is not exactly happy
  • 00:26:40
    every day in the US one of the main
  • 00:26:42
    reasons she says and which I can like
  • 00:26:45
    maybe something we haven't spoken so far
  • 00:26:46
    is um the Social Circle us is obviously
  • 00:26:51
    very well known that everybody Minds
  • 00:26:53
    their own business so you don't know
  • 00:26:54
    who's staying next to you or you don't
  • 00:26:56
    know who's sitting next to you but like
  • 00:26:57
    my closest friends are on this bench for
  • 00:26:59
    example like we come on a trip every
  • 00:27:00
    time we come here my wife misses her
  • 00:27:03
    friends who are also from India so the
  • 00:27:04
    lack of a Social Circle is sometimes One
  • 00:27:07
    Singular Factor people just come back uh
  • 00:27:09
    may not necessarily say family uh so for
  • 00:27:12
    her that's a that's a real big con uh
  • 00:27:15
    but data also shows that I don't know if
  • 00:27:18
    I'm supposed to say this but if I come
  • 00:27:19
    back uh you know there also like
  • 00:27:22
    especially with two states and
  • 00:27:23
    everything there could be more societal
  • 00:27:25
    and family issues if I come back to
  • 00:27:27
    India data shows that as as well so the
  • 00:27:29
    so I will pull her back because of that
  • 00:27:31
    but uh that's something we haven't
  • 00:27:33
    discussed and you guys can add in the
  • 00:27:35
    Social Circle and uh racism components
  • 00:27:38
    uh which you will not necessarily face
  • 00:27:39
    in in India because most people are
  • 00:27:42
    Indians uh but if you can ignore that 5%
  • 00:27:46
    as I do or not even 5% it's probably
  • 00:27:49
    like let's say let's say I face five
  • 00:27:51
    experiences in eight years so know you
  • 00:27:54
    can compute the probability
  • 00:27:59
    okay um I think we discussed about this
  • 00:28:01
    one topic quite a bit um maybe we can
  • 00:28:03
    talk a little bit about
  • 00:28:05
    money
  • 00:28:07
    um money and social status maybe because
  • 00:28:10
    I know many
  • 00:28:11
    people who go to the US because it it
  • 00:28:15
    elevates their social status
  • 00:28:18
    and uh personally me it does not bother
  • 00:28:22
    me that much maybe money is what bothers
  • 00:28:24
    me more said Social Circle but we can
  • 00:28:26
    also discuss social status yeah
  • 00:28:28
    Circle as in like who you're surrounded
  • 00:28:30
    with correct correct most of the time in
  • 00:28:32
    us I'm alone for example with my family
  • 00:28:35
    whereas here you are necessarily having
  • 00:28:37
    a larger Social Circle
  • 00:28:40
    and yeah that is true um in us also I
  • 00:28:43
    found com Comfort by finding fellow
  • 00:28:45
    Indian students and being around them so
  • 00:28:48
    I think I
  • 00:28:49
    completely understand if someone if
  • 00:28:51
    someone does not get that Social Circle
  • 00:28:53
    especially after they graduate and they
  • 00:28:56
    they try to set up their own families
  • 00:28:57
    and you're probably not surrounded by
  • 00:29:00
    your community members and you find it
  • 00:29:01
    hard to make a group of people to hang
  • 00:29:04
    out with um about the social status
  • 00:29:07
    thing what I was trying to say was uh in
  • 00:29:11
    many families that I closely know uh I
  • 00:29:14
    know internally the the parents also if
  • 00:29:17
    their kid is studying or went to the US
  • 00:29:20
    they they don't want their kid to come
  • 00:29:21
    back because apparently it reduces the
  • 00:29:24
    social status of their parents and for
  • 00:29:25
    kids also the the students also they
  • 00:29:27
    probably don't want to come back because
  • 00:29:29
    it kind of reduces their social status
  • 00:29:31
    not in the US but within their family or
  • 00:29:34
    extended family in
  • 00:29:36
    India uh okay personally for me this is
  • 00:29:38
    not at all a concern I don't care what
  • 00:29:41
    the social status is but maybe for me
  • 00:29:44
    the concern would be the earning
  • 00:29:46
    potential so if uh so right now I'm
  • 00:29:49
    putting all my bet on whatever we are
  • 00:29:52
    working on and I won't regret if things
  • 00:29:55
    do not work out because I have tried
  • 00:29:57
    even if let's say vua fails miserably
  • 00:30:00
    after 10 years I won't regret because I
  • 00:30:02
    have tried the best but if I was in a
  • 00:30:06
    working in a company uh let's say Google
  • 00:30:09
    in India then every day I would have the
  • 00:30:12
    thought I could have also worked in
  • 00:30:13
    Google in in the US or Amazon Seattle
  • 00:30:17
    and could have earned much much higher
  • 00:30:19
    so uh right now I'm not thinking about
  • 00:30:22
    it because I know
  • 00:30:23
    that as an entrepreneur you are taking
  • 00:30:26
    more risk but the reward could be higher
  • 00:30:28
    in the long term so um although the the
  • 00:30:33
    thought of
  • 00:30:35
    um you know not being in the US or being
  • 00:30:38
    in India that that thought does not come
  • 00:30:39
    but I always when I see people for
  • 00:30:42
    example let's say you work in the US for
  • 00:30:45
    five years you can easily afford a very
  • 00:30:48
    very good car a very good house lot of
  • 00:30:51
    things right so material possessions
  • 00:30:53
    it's very easier to make just as an
  • 00:30:55
    employee and you are not working
  • 00:30:57
    probably Saturday Sunday you you you
  • 00:30:59
    have very good work life balance you can
  • 00:31:01
    buy a lot of things very easily so that
  • 00:31:04
    so that
  • 00:31:06
    game um in India it's very difficult as
  • 00:31:09
    an employee as an entrepreneur you have
  • 00:31:12
    much bigger hopes but you are playing a
  • 00:31:15
    delayed gratification game probably so
  • 00:31:19
    how much does it bother you so to
  • 00:31:21
    you uh I I'll ask it differently maybe I
  • 00:31:24
    don't you can get back an answer to this
  • 00:31:26
    question about uh uh in the US like
  • 00:31:29
    after how many years will you feel like
  • 00:31:30
    okay I have made decent enough money and
  • 00:31:33
    I probably don't need more money but I
  • 00:31:35
    need to find something meaningful to do
  • 00:31:36
    for the rest of my life will that will
  • 00:31:39
    that thought come to you at some point
  • 00:31:40
    that is my question to you but before
  • 00:31:42
    that Raj and um how much do you think
  • 00:31:46
    about money and uh if you were working
  • 00:31:49
    in the US you could have made a lot lot
  • 00:31:51
    of money working a lot lesser much
  • 00:31:54
    faster not necessarily in the long term
  • 00:31:56
    but in the short term
  • 00:31:58
    so what do you think about money as a
  • 00:32:02
    factor um being in India and being in
  • 00:32:05
    the
  • 00:32:07
    US yeah so uh I been thinking about
  • 00:32:10
    money actually quite a lot in the last
  • 00:32:13
    few months
  • 00:32:14
    and uh the first thing which is also
  • 00:32:18
    like uh about social status let's say a
  • 00:32:22
    lot of people they value money because
  • 00:32:25
    there is a kind of a show off that is a
  • 00:32:27
    associated with associated with it let's
  • 00:32:30
    say you buy a very expensive car and
  • 00:32:33
    then suddenly people in the society look
  • 00:32:35
    at it and they treat you with more
  • 00:32:37
    respect so uh these materialistic things
  • 00:32:41
    don't matter to me at all actually
  • 00:32:44
    because if you look at a car it's like a
  • 00:32:47
    piece of aluminium which takes you from
  • 00:32:49
    point A to point B
  • 00:32:52
    and why are you working so hard like
  • 00:32:54
    you're working so hard for getting money
  • 00:32:55
    to buy that piece of aluminium
  • 00:32:58
    it's like an extrinsic object but it is
  • 00:33:01
    not it doesn't actually mean
  • 00:33:04
    anything so for me money is important
  • 00:33:07
    not because of showing it off to society
  • 00:33:10
    but because it will give me that
  • 00:33:13
    Independence and and the freedom to live
  • 00:33:16
    the life the way I want to live
  • 00:33:18
    it uh I have gone through that soci that
  • 00:33:22
    societal pressures initially even our
  • 00:33:24
    family had imagined that okay we'll be
  • 00:33:27
    settled in the us and our parents had
  • 00:33:30
    imagined that life for
  • 00:33:33
    us yes yes yeah but then when we came
  • 00:33:37
    back that dream was shattered and uh it
  • 00:33:41
    it took us quite some time to you know
  • 00:33:43
    get them believe that we are not just
  • 00:33:45
    here to just sit and roam around but we
  • 00:33:47
    are actually building something useful
  • 00:33:49
    and then uh yeah so that was a journey
  • 00:33:53
    from there to where we are right
  • 00:33:56
    now uh
  • 00:33:59
    yeah so uh with respect to
  • 00:34:02
    money I think of it like I want to reach
  • 00:34:05
    a stage where it gives me that
  • 00:34:07
    Independence and the freedom and uh I
  • 00:34:10
    also want to be at a stage
  • 00:34:13
    where I have a lot of money like not
  • 00:34:15
    just uh so so you can get independence
  • 00:34:19
    even if you have let's say tens of
  • 00:34:21
    millions of dollars right but then there
  • 00:34:23
    is one level which exists above that
  • 00:34:26
    which is which is something which which
  • 00:34:28
    I desire I still exactly don't know why
  • 00:34:31
    I'm Desiring that because there are
  • 00:34:33
    multiple brackets and even in those
  • 00:34:35
    lower brackets you can get the
  • 00:34:36
    independence and freedom that I want but
  • 00:34:39
    I somehow desire to be in the topmost
  • 00:34:42
    bracket and maybe I'll understand why
  • 00:34:45
    I'm feeling this few months or years
  • 00:34:47
    down the line but I definitely want to
  • 00:34:49
    be up
  • 00:34:50
    there and for me money is important it
  • 00:34:53
    is something which
  • 00:34:55
    is yeah which is which is Cru cral but
  • 00:34:58
    I'm still trying to understand why I
  • 00:35:01
    want to be in that upper strata when it
  • 00:35:03
    comes to
  • 00:35:05
    money oh yeah Raj yes yes yeah I have a
  • 00:35:08
    followup question RIT so um to reach the
  • 00:35:12
    upper strata of money whatever you have
  • 00:35:14
    in your mind do you think your decision
  • 00:35:16
    of coming back to India was uh favorable
  • 00:35:19
    towards it or do you think us would have
  • 00:35:22
    been the better option if this was your
  • 00:35:26
    goal uh yeah
  • 00:35:29
    so I feel that if if you are creating
  • 00:35:32
    something which is valuable to clients
  • 00:35:34
    and which which is truly helping someone
  • 00:35:36
    people will be willing to pay you money
  • 00:35:39
    for that service or product which is
  • 00:35:41
    independent of the region where you are
  • 00:35:43
    living in I feel that we are living in
  • 00:35:45
    times where the country or the place
  • 00:35:48
    that you're living in is completely
  • 00:35:50
    irrelevant because if you have if you're
  • 00:35:52
    building something which is truly
  • 00:35:54
    valuable it will sell to people across
  • 00:35:56
    the globe so uh eventually we are trying
  • 00:36:00
    to build a business model which is also
  • 00:36:02
    local and and Centric to uh people in
  • 00:36:05
    India let's say reamping the school
  • 00:36:07
    education system in terms of AI that is
  • 00:36:10
    going to take us to some stage because
  • 00:36:12
    the clients will be only Indian clients
  • 00:36:14
    but we also have other offerings in our
  • 00:36:16
    business model which are more Global
  • 00:36:18
    offerings which will cater to students
  • 00:36:21
    institutes all over the world so uh the
  • 00:36:25
    the the choice of country really does
  • 00:36:27
    doesn't matter in reaching that upper
  • 00:36:30
    strata of society because the ultimate
  • 00:36:32
    goal is going to be to build something
  • 00:36:34
    which is of tremendous value for our
  • 00:36:36
    client so that is the focus which I have
  • 00:36:40
    on a daily
  • 00:36:41
    basis but yeah uh maybe Raj you can
  • 00:36:45
    answer this question we have also
  • 00:36:46
    discussed it multiple times in our
  • 00:36:48
    apartment but yeah yeah so for me money
  • 00:36:52
    has two purposes mostly first is for my
  • 00:36:55
    basic needs uh just food clothing
  • 00:36:59
    shelter second uh main thing is for us
  • 00:37:02
    to achieve the vision so there is this
  • 00:37:04
    vision of the AI system ecosystem
  • 00:37:06
    Creation in India if you want to buy
  • 00:37:08
    land if you want to create a university
  • 00:37:11
    if you want gpus if you want to create
  • 00:37:13
    some sort of an organizational structure
  • 00:37:15
    like this uh which changes the whole
  • 00:37:18
    education system has a research center
  • 00:37:21
    equivalent to open AI uh has high
  • 00:37:23
    quality research coming out every year
  • 00:37:26
    students valuing research that that
  • 00:37:27
    whole AI ecosystem in schools colleges
  • 00:37:29
    and even after that and one University
  • 00:37:32
    which is like MIT but specifically for
  • 00:37:35
    AI now that is the vision for me what I
  • 00:37:38
    realized is that even if there are 20
  • 00:37:39
    crores in my bank account I will not
  • 00:37:42
    take that BMW I like a BMW i7 electric
  • 00:37:45
    car but I I just like to look at it if I
  • 00:37:48
    get that money in the bank account I
  • 00:37:49
    will use it for this Vision so for me
  • 00:37:52
    the second purpose of money is as a
  • 00:37:53
    means to fulfill this Vision so that I
  • 00:37:55
    can buy land construct the UN City get
  • 00:37:58
    gpus assign professors create the whole
  • 00:38:01
    ecosystem so because my vision in life
  • 00:38:03
    is to create value out of this ecosystem
  • 00:38:06
    and then to capture value out of it and
  • 00:38:08
    money serves as a medium to get there so
  • 00:38:11
    for me also it's like okay what is the
  • 00:38:14
    best place for me right now to for to
  • 00:38:17
    deploy this money or to get this money
  • 00:38:18
    right now it's India if later as he was
  • 00:38:20
    saying if we are expanding to other
  • 00:38:22
    countries to get that money we can
  • 00:38:25
    expand but the ultimate vision is the
  • 00:38:26
    same
  • 00:38:27
    so it's not for I know that doing this I
  • 00:38:30
    will definitely attain status that that
  • 00:38:33
    is a byproduct U and I don't want to get
  • 00:38:35
    a car just to show someone because as
  • 00:38:38
    you said car you can get temporary value
  • 00:38:40
    from car but you cannot capture
  • 00:38:42
    meaningful value but you can capture a
  • 00:38:44
    meaningful value from student studying
  • 00:38:46
    at your
  • 00:38:46
    University that is what I want to deploy
  • 00:38:49
    my money towards so that's why I think
  • 00:38:51
    about money every day but just the
  • 00:38:53
    company should make money so that we can
  • 00:38:55
    deploy it into this vision I myself will
  • 00:38:58
    of course be well off if this vision is
  • 00:39:00
    ATT end because needs are less I'm very
  • 00:39:03
    happy just like the way it is I will I
  • 00:39:06
    will never I'm not that kind of person
  • 00:39:08
    who will drive a BMW to the office
  • 00:39:10
    anyways even if you become rich so that
  • 00:39:14
    I realized about myself so money plays a
  • 00:39:17
    very crucial role I think about it every
  • 00:39:19
    day how the company will make money so
  • 00:39:20
    that we have 100 crores in the bank
  • 00:39:22
    account to reach this Vision status game
  • 00:39:25
    and all others are playing that let them
  • 00:39:27
    play but I'm not in that I want to do
  • 00:39:30
    this because then ultimately I know I
  • 00:39:31
    will rise above everyone else so I'm not
  • 00:39:35
    even thinking about that status game and
  • 00:39:37
    all that I just every day morning I'm
  • 00:39:39
    thinking how to achieve this
  • 00:39:41
    Vision
  • 00:39:46
    yeah so to sh's question concisely I can
  • 00:39:52
    uh maybe direct 95% of the people
  • 00:39:56
    watching this video to probably do what
  • 00:39:59
    I'm seeing I'm doing versus what Raj and
  • 00:40:02
    rajit and you didn't actually mention
  • 00:40:04
    about the upper levels that you want to
  • 00:40:06
    reach um is trying to do because uh
  • 00:40:10
    statistically what I'm doing is more
  • 00:40:11
    likely so even if the 100% of the people
  • 00:40:14
    watching this video want to do what Raj
  • 00:40:16
    and Reas are trying to do they're not
  • 00:40:17
    going to get there statistically you're
  • 00:40:19
    not going to get there so I am saying
  • 00:40:21
    that I'm sa saving 5K I have uh whatever
  • 00:40:25
    amount in my bank already by age of 30
  • 00:40:28
    and it's going to accumulate it's going
  • 00:40:29
    to compound it's going to get between 5
  • 00:40:32
    and 10 investing in okay
  • 00:40:35
    stocks this is what is statistically a
  • 00:40:38
    successful life when you are not aiming
  • 00:40:41
    for uh extremely successful things that
  • 00:40:44
    you want to do now Jensen for example
  • 00:40:46
    Jensen hang has said that startup makers
  • 00:40:49
    are naive they have to be naive because
  • 00:40:51
    if you play by stats no one will ever
  • 00:40:53
    have take a startup because 99% of
  • 00:40:56
    startups fail so completely understand
  • 00:40:59
    your vision and you guys should go for
  • 00:41:00
    it but uh the likelihood of success at
  • 00:41:04
    this point when I define success my way
  • 00:41:07
    is higher for me that's the stats now
  • 00:41:09
    the second question is this naturally
  • 00:41:11
    affords me like other things I want like
  • 00:41:14
    a semi- hybrid car driving around us not
  • 00:41:17
    because I'm like looking for status or
  • 00:41:19
    anything I just like driving cars and I
  • 00:41:23
    just want to drive a car really couldn't
  • 00:41:25
    care less what other people are thinking
  • 00:41:27
    that I'm affording a car just because I
  • 00:41:29
    like it so whatever I want and what my
  • 00:41:31
    wife wants and what my puppy wants I'm
  • 00:41:33
    able to afford uh very easily and still
  • 00:41:36
    like have enough amount of savings in
  • 00:41:38
    the bank like I test my like my puppy
  • 00:41:41
    goes to the vet almost every other week
  • 00:41:44
    and uh my wife does like we do trips to
  • 00:41:46
    South America um every few months um and
  • 00:41:50
    then still we save whatever decent
  • 00:41:52
    amount of money and still we are on
  • 00:41:54
    track to like save quite a bit we will
  • 00:41:55
    get a house soon enough we'll get a we
  • 00:41:57
    already have a car
  • 00:41:59
    so I'm just saying that it looks like if
  • 00:42:02
    I'm not having that extreme Vision to
  • 00:42:04
    achieve extreme success but I'm still
  • 00:42:06
    like reasonably uh ambitious to attain
  • 00:42:09
    like decent amounts of things like if
  • 00:42:11
    I'm working at 3M for the next 20 years
  • 00:42:13
    I do want to reach a highest level that
  • 00:42:15
    3M efforts for their research employees
  • 00:42:18
    which is like t7 which is you know very
  • 00:42:20
    very less likely for people it's like 5%
  • 00:42:22
    I do want to get there but that's still
  • 00:42:25
    statistically 5% is much higher than
  • 00:42:27
    0.1% or whatever that startups will have
  • 00:42:30
    it's not like to deter anybody I'm just
  • 00:42:32
    seeing numbers here for the purpose of
  • 00:42:34
    that so in that way I feel like
  • 00:42:37
    comfortable with what I have right now
  • 00:42:39
    but if I'm having a startup I will have
  • 00:42:42
    a I have a different vision from Raj
  • 00:42:44
    right I want to start up in the mental
  • 00:42:45
    health space and I will not come to a
  • 00:42:48
    country where mental health is to a
  • 00:42:50
    large extent still taboo still better
  • 00:42:52
    than 10 years L before but I know
  • 00:42:54
    companies which are doing it like I
  • 00:42:55
    won't mention the companies but I know
  • 00:42:56
    how they startup Founders have written
  • 00:42:58
    that they went to companies and the
  • 00:43:00
    people were like refusing to use their
  • 00:43:02
    service because using their service
  • 00:43:04
    meant that they had to like uh agree
  • 00:43:06
    that something was wrong in first in the
  • 00:43:07
    in terms of mental health which they
  • 00:43:09
    didn't want to do that is such an
  • 00:43:10
    outdated Outlook that like I wouldn't
  • 00:43:12
    even entertain those kind of
  • 00:43:15
    interactions uh when I care so much
  • 00:43:17
    about mental health so that like kind of
  • 00:43:19
    moves India away from the benchmarks of
  • 00:43:21
    things that I would aim for that so
  • 00:43:23
    anyways the mental startup so let's say
  • 00:43:27
    uh I agree that in India the awareness
  • 00:43:29
    with respect to mental health is not
  • 00:43:31
    that high but what if uh you are the
  • 00:43:33
    person who creates that awareness
  • 00:43:37
    through your company in India there are
  • 00:43:38
    two options right you can start where
  • 00:43:40
    it's better and proliferate quickly
  • 00:43:43
    there in India it's not good I agree but
  • 00:43:46
    it's better than our parents for sure
  • 00:43:49
    people are talking about it uh almost in
  • 00:43:52
    our circles at least almost everyone
  • 00:43:54
    talks about it so it's better 15 years
  • 00:43:56
    back and it's going to maybe get better
  • 00:43:58
    30 years later and people like you might
  • 00:44:00
    play that transformation role I think
  • 00:44:02
    there is a scope for one major mental
  • 00:44:04
    health startup in India which will
  • 00:44:06
    reform things do things so let's say uh
  • 00:44:09
    what if between these two options how do
  • 00:44:13
    you choose where you want to direct the
  • 00:44:16
    efforts into because this is also quite
  • 00:44:17
    impactful right you will get to be at
  • 00:44:19
    the Forefront of the awareness
  • 00:44:20
    revolution in
  • 00:44:22
    India so it's like shat said earlier so
  • 00:44:25
    we are we are speaking here about number
  • 00:44:27
    then if if it's like I'm starting a
  • 00:44:29
    startup in two and two years from now I
  • 00:44:32
    have let's say uh uh I'm not going to
  • 00:44:35
    say exact numbers but I have uh 1
  • 00:44:38
    million in my bank account right now I'm
  • 00:44:40
    basically making a bet something similar
  • 00:44:42
    to you guys like my wife likes India
  • 00:44:45
    already the AI agents is a very very
  • 00:44:47
    good game to play for the mental health
  • 00:44:49
    startup space there's lots that you
  • 00:44:50
    could do with even like very few
  • 00:44:52
    employees right now uh and we have
  • 00:44:55
    certain visions of getting a network in
  • 00:44:57
    in the US and coming to India to make it
  • 00:44:58
    work but you're playing a game where you
  • 00:45:00
    have 1 million in your account you're
  • 00:45:02
    going to use some of it and there is a
  • 00:45:04
    1% chance that you will
  • 00:45:06
    succeed making a away with the other
  • 00:45:08
    game which is like stay continue to stay
  • 00:45:10
    in the US for another 20 years and like
  • 00:45:13
    100% chance that you will make it into
  • 00:45:15
    10 to 20 million combined with my wife
  • 00:45:17
    so that's a very risky game that that
  • 00:45:19
    you need to actually try to like write
  • 00:45:21
    out now Raj said you have vision and
  • 00:45:23
    stuff and yeah obviously if you can like
  • 00:45:25
    somehow feel that urge you that this is
  • 00:45:28
    what your life stands for go for it
  • 00:45:29
    money is like secondary it doesn't
  • 00:45:31
    really matter but if you're not able to
  • 00:45:33
    do that then you have to do like datab
  • 00:45:36
    based decision instead of opinion based
  • 00:45:37
    decision and then it becomes really hard
  • 00:45:39
    to justify coming back and doing this in
  • 00:45:41
    India versus continuing to play the safe
  • 00:45:43
    game in the US that's like my
  • 00:45:46
    thought so if you're already able to
  • 00:45:49
    afford many things that you would like
  • 00:45:50
    to afford and you have a very good
  • 00:45:52
    likelihood of you know affording a few
  • 00:45:55
    things because you have a very
  • 00:45:57
    predictable trajectory M
  • 00:46:01
    um do you think you will get bored after
  • 00:46:04
    3 four
  • 00:46:05
    years um because you know what to expect
  • 00:46:10
    do you feel like you are in an autopilot
  • 00:46:12
    mode and and do you think you want to
  • 00:46:16
    take control
  • 00:46:17
    of um I guess more than control so
  • 00:46:21
    during my PhD at some point I felt like
  • 00:46:23
    I'm in an autopilot mode and I wanted to
  • 00:46:24
    get out of it so what I mean by that is
  • 00:46:27
    uh by third year I felt like okay I'll
  • 00:46:29
    finish my PhD I'll I'll apply for a job
  • 00:46:33
    H1B Visa Green Card citizenship so that
  • 00:46:37
    is what I mean by autopilot like every
  • 00:46:38
    step is kind of predefined and you know
  • 00:46:42
    exactly what to do it's just about
  • 00:46:44
    figuring out how to do it uh so you talk
  • 00:46:46
    to seniors or whoever who have done it
  • 00:46:48
    and then you just play the game it's
  • 00:46:50
    like it's like a predefined game and you
  • 00:46:52
    are you just need to go from A to B to C
  • 00:46:55
    and Ascend the levels so do you think
  • 00:46:58
    the current game that we are playing is
  • 00:47:00
    maybe it is a game for people who have
  • 00:47:02
    done it but at least for me since I
  • 00:47:05
    don't have the experience and I haven't
  • 00:47:06
    seen many people do it to me it's still
  • 00:47:09
    like an
  • 00:47:10
    uncertain thing uh it's not like a
  • 00:47:13
    predefined game where I know where I'm
  • 00:47:16
    going next I just need to figure
  • 00:47:18
    out how to do it it's not exactly like
  • 00:47:20
    that but in your case do you feel do you
  • 00:47:22
    think you will get
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    bored uh I would I would think I
  • 00:47:27
    sometimes feel bored at work currently
  • 00:47:29
    as well but it's like always going to
  • 00:47:32
    change right dynamic dynamic nature of
  • 00:47:34
    your work is obviously much more than
  • 00:47:35
    mine but so couple of years later kids
  • 00:47:39
    kids will come into the picture that's
  • 00:47:40
    one dynamicity then you will change your
  • 00:47:43
    job into like from technical individual
  • 00:47:45
    contributor to managing a group of
  • 00:47:47
    people then managing a bigger group of
  • 00:47:49
    people and then they still individually
  • 00:47:50
    contributing so those Dynamic stuff uh
  • 00:47:53
    will come and I think that will keep you
  • 00:47:55
    engaged uh to some extent and that's
  • 00:47:57
    what I'm counting on like uh if I'm
  • 00:47:59
    doing this but I also genuinely want to
  • 00:48:01
    do something for the mental health
  • 00:48:03
    because I've struggled a lot with it and
  • 00:48:05
    I feel like that's one purpose that I
  • 00:48:06
    need to fulfill uh but then it's not
  • 00:48:10
    like I said a simple simple thing that
  • 00:48:12
    you could take very quickly at least for
  • 00:48:14
    me uh but to directly answer your
  • 00:48:17
    question it's less Dynamic than you guys
  • 00:48:19
    but there's still a lot of
  • 00:48:21
    uncertainities I feel that will come
  • 00:48:23
    along the way as I keep going from a T3
  • 00:48:24
    to T4 to whatever if I continue at 3m.
  • 00:48:26
    for example and that will I hope be
  • 00:48:29
    sufficient to keep me uh on my foot
  • 00:48:32
    every day to continue to like be
  • 00:48:35
    interested in my
  • 00:48:37
    work um yeah just just something
  • 00:48:41
    unrelated but uh uh there is just one uh
  • 00:48:45
    one discussion I had with someone uh
  • 00:48:47
    around like two years back when I came
  • 00:48:49
    back to
  • 00:48:50
    India uh so this lady was a mother of
  • 00:48:54
    two and she also had had come back to
  • 00:48:57
    India around 5 years back and I was
  • 00:49:00
    asking her how has your experience been
  • 00:49:02
    Etc and then she had this interesting
  • 00:49:05
    line where she said that uh she wants to
  • 00:49:08
    raise her kids in India because in India
  • 00:49:12
    you get to learn how to navigate
  • 00:49:14
    yourself in chaos so so if you look at
  • 00:49:19
    in every single way like every hurdle we
  • 00:49:22
    have faced in life there has always been
  • 00:49:24
    a lot of a lot of competition
  • 00:49:27
    and and the system inherently has a lot
  • 00:49:30
    of chaos and uncertainty and if you want
  • 00:49:32
    to get something you need to pass a lot
  • 00:49:35
    of people and pass a lot of hurdles to
  • 00:49:36
    get that so just a simple example let's
  • 00:49:39
    say there is we visited this uh this
  • 00:49:43
    monument called ashadam right in yeah in
  • 00:49:47
    in Delhi akaram and was a beautiful
  • 00:49:50
    monument and we were so excited to see
  • 00:49:51
    it but there was such a big queue that
  • 00:49:54
    it took us three hours to get inside
  • 00:49:57
    and then after that we had a good time
  • 00:49:58
    but then just the barrier that you have
  • 00:50:00
    to cross to get to that stage was huge
  • 00:50:03
    and that barrier is seen not just in
  • 00:50:05
    seeing monuments but also in other
  • 00:50:07
    places where you have to pass
  • 00:50:09
    competitive exams or even get anything
  • 00:50:11
    which is of value and then she was of
  • 00:50:14
    the opinion that she wants to raise her
  • 00:50:16
    kids in this chaos because those
  • 00:50:18
    learnings they can utilize later in life
  • 00:50:21
    even if they go abroad that they have
  • 00:50:23
    learned to handle the most complex
  • 00:50:25
    chaotic system and then all other
  • 00:50:27
    systems that they are going to see are
  • 00:50:29
    going to be simpler than
  • 00:50:31
    that so that that was something
  • 00:50:34
    interesting and U I'm I'm also think
  • 00:50:37
    like I understand the chaos which which
  • 00:50:40
    she said but I'm interested to know your
  • 00:50:42
    opinion also about raising kids since
  • 00:50:45
    you mentioned about kids as a certainty
  • 00:50:47
    in a few years what are your opinions
  • 00:50:50
    about raising kids in like different
  • 00:50:54
    countries so I had a like
  • 00:50:57
    yeah we'll we'll wrap it up so there's
  • 00:51:00
    no there's like one thing to follow up
  • 00:51:02
    on this so competition you mentioned
  • 00:51:05
    competition is it a pro or a con
  • 00:51:07
    according to what you guys think because
  • 00:51:09
    to me competition is a con because it
  • 00:51:11
    kills the value of the actual learning
  • 00:51:13
    at least that's how I view it that's but
  • 00:51:16
    at the same time India has a lot of Pros
  • 00:51:18
    for the way people are raised uh like
  • 00:51:20
    how you are taught to respect elders and
  • 00:51:22
    how you taught to behave and stuff which
  • 00:51:24
    is different in the US but at the same
  • 00:51:26
    time us your kid can actually uh your
  • 00:51:30
    your boy kid can actually bring a boy
  • 00:51:32
    and you will accept it like lgbtq for
  • 00:51:34
    example I don't believe this happens in
  • 00:51:35
    India now that's a different so it's
  • 00:51:37
    very hard to say like what is the right
  • 00:51:40
    way to bring up a kid or what you want
  • 00:51:42
    for your next Generation uh so to like
  • 00:51:45
    honestly I don't know the answer to this
  • 00:51:46
    because everyone will have their own but
  • 00:51:47
    yeah that's whatever you guys what is
  • 00:51:50
    like the one thing you feel is most
  • 00:51:52
    important for your next generation and
  • 00:51:53
    does that exist in the US or in India
  • 00:51:58
    uh one thing that is important for
  • 00:52:01
    everyone is feeling respected maybe and
  • 00:52:04
    I
  • 00:52:06
    think
  • 00:52:08
    uh maybe it exists better in the US
  • 00:52:12
    people people generally show you a
  • 00:52:15
    respect at least uh in their gestures I
  • 00:52:18
    don't know how they do it whether they
  • 00:52:19
    respect internally or not and that that
  • 00:52:21
    is important like small small gestures
  • 00:52:23
    where you respect the existence of the
  • 00:52:25
    other person perspective of their
  • 00:52:28
    whatever their personal preferences are
  • 00:52:30
    so from that point of view I think and I
  • 00:52:32
    also think it is very high like highly
  • 00:52:34
    likely
  • 00:52:35
    that uh let's say if we have kids they
  • 00:52:39
    might go go to other countries it's it's
  • 00:52:42
    very likely and probably we can do
  • 00:52:43
    nothing to prevent it uh or nor nor do
  • 00:52:47
    nor do I wish to prevent it whatever
  • 00:52:48
    they want to do but it's very likely
  • 00:52:50
    that that that might happen so uh even
  • 00:52:54
    if I wanted to raise a child I can only
  • 00:52:59
    probably do it till they are 18 or
  • 00:53:01
    something till they are studying in
  • 00:53:03
    undergrad and maybe they can go to
  • 00:53:05
    wherever they want to if they want to
  • 00:53:07
    study undergrad in the US or somewhere
  • 00:53:09
    else
  • 00:53:11
    um but many people make this statement
  • 00:53:15
    about they are long on India like they
  • 00:53:19
    they have a very high hope about India
  • 00:53:21
    in the long term so that statement I
  • 00:53:24
    agree with a lot I think India might
  • 00:53:28
    grow a lot in the next 30 Years and I
  • 00:53:31
    really want to be at the Forefront of
  • 00:53:32
    that growth and I want to contribute to
  • 00:53:34
    it not out of patriotism or anything but
  • 00:53:37
    out of selfish desire to add value to a
  • 00:53:41
    place something like that so I really I
  • 00:53:45
    really
  • 00:53:45
    think a lot of people are now building
  • 00:53:48
    things in India contributing to his
  • 00:53:50
    growth and I also want to be part of
  • 00:53:52
    that story and when I look back when I'm
  • 00:53:54
    60 or something creating maybe 20,000
  • 00:53:58
    jobs 50,000 jobs something like that and
  • 00:54:01
    having created a organization that
  • 00:54:05
    delivers a lot of value that runs itself
  • 00:54:08
    which lives two generations even after I
  • 00:54:10
    am gone if I can do something like that
  • 00:54:12
    I would prefer it to be done in India
  • 00:54:14
    than anywhere else so I would say that
  • 00:54:17
    is keeping me very optimistic about
  • 00:54:20
    India irrespective of all the issues
  • 00:54:24
    that I may have been facing here so so
  • 00:54:27
    that's my last last two
  • 00:54:31
    cents yeah I think I think we can yeah
  • 00:54:35
    can I wrap it up guys
  • 00:54:37
    yes thank you so much thank you so much
  • 00:54:40
    everyone yes
  • 00:54:45
    bye very long
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