David Clayton - The Hidden Subject
الملخص
TLDRThe speaker, addressing a congregation, reflects on a secret message locked within the Book of Daniel that becomes comprehensible only at the end times. This message correlates with the gospel of the Kingdom, emphasizing the theme of judgment and God's eternal government. The talk parallels narratives from the Book of Daniel and Revelation, illustrating how an unsealed message from Daniel is meant to be broadcast to the entire world. The speaker articulates that God's intervention in history is purposeful, using biblical examples such as Israel's exodus and the coming of the Messiah. A key focus of the discussion is the theme of pre-advent judgment, highlighting God's character and the judgment of His kingdom. This judgment is not to endanger a believer’s salvation, but to validate the wisdom and righteousness of God's government. The speaker challenges traditional views on salvation as merely an individual concern, stressing instead a grander narrative about glorifying God’s character and His governance. Christians are called to demonstrate God's kingdom on Earth through their lives. This connects to a perceived reclamation of doctrine, particularly within the Advent movement. Despite past distractions from a legalistic interpretation, these core messages of judgment and divine authority remain integral to understanding the end time gospel narrative.
الوجبات الجاهزة
- 🙏 The speaker focuses on a divine message in Daniel meant for the end times.
- 📖 Understanding the Book of Daniel and Revelation is crucial to decode this message.
- ✝️ The gospel of the Kingdom is central to the end-time message.
- 🕰️ God's intervention through history demonstrates His control and timing.
- 🕊️ The judgment of God's kingdom is pivotal, showcasing His righteous governance.
- 🏛️ Christians are seen as representatives of God's character on Earth.
- 🔍 Examining the salvation message involves a broader view of God's character.
- 🌍 The Advent movement is acknowledged for its role despite issues with legalism.
- 🚩 A pre-advent judgment demonstrates God's government to the universe.
- 👑 This judgment validates Jesus' rule as everlasting.
- 🌟 Understanding this message helps align with God's eternal plan.
الجدول الزمني
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The speaker expresses gratitude for being present and explains that the talk will continue from a theme in the Book of Daniel, focusing on a 'secret' locked until the end times. He emphasizes the importance of understanding biblical messages critically and refers to Daniel 12:8-10 where Daniel is told the words are sealed till the end time.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
He discusses how God's timing in revelations and events, like the exodus of Israel and the coming of the Messiah, is pivotal and unstoppable. The message in Daniel is similar – meant for a specific time to create an awakening. He draws parallels between two angels in Daniel 12 and Revelation 10, suggesting they represent a deep mystery to be understood at the right time.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
The theme is about the gospel of the Kingdom being a critical part of the hidden message. There's a suggestion that the hidden message in Daniel links to the everlasting gospel of the Kingdom, a continuity from the apostolic times. The speaker points out that the Reformation restored only a partial view of the gospel, focusing on man's salvation rather than the broader kingdom perspective.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
The gospel, he argues, is more about understanding and serving a greater purpose beyond personal salvation – vindicating God’s government against Satan’s accusations. There's a personal testimony about the assurance of salvation received through understanding God’s character and the role of humanity in demonstrating God’s kingdom on earth.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
The importance of assessing and measuring the Church, the temple of God, is highlighted as part of a message to be prophesied in the end times. The speaker connects Revelation 11's symbolic measuring with a need to understand the church's role in God's end-time plan, also hinting at an impending judgment linked to the message in Daniel.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
A judgment scene in Daniel 7 is discussed, where the beast is destroyed, and the kingdom of Christ is established through judgment. The speaker relates this to two consequences in the judgment: the downfall of evil entities and the establishment of God's everlasting kingdom, implying a system of governance evaluated and approved.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
The broader issue involves Satan's attack on God’s character and government, starting before humanity's fall. The salvation story relates to a larger cosmic controversy involving propaganda wars led by Satan. God's character must be vindicated through unbiased truth-revealing judgments, countering Satan's misinformation campaign.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
He explains that God’s method of answering Satan involves first revealing His true character through Jesus and securing humanity’s role in the divine plan. The speaker stresses that the good news is not just personal salvation but participating in vindicating God's character and kingdom.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
The parallels between events 2,000 years ago and now include a prophetic messenger, the kingdom's message, and a judgment process necessary before establishing God's kingdom. Jesus' ministry and sacrifice were preceded by judgments of character and purpose, demonstrating God’s truth and sovereignty.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Drawing parallels to current times, the end-time 'Elijah' represents a movement or group preparing for God's kingdom by emphasizing the gospel of the kingdom and judgment. Believers are called to witness God's character through their lives, proving God’s government’s efficacy and divine wisdom.
- 00:50:00 - 00:55:00
The speaker ties the understanding of God’s character and judgment to being pivotal in recognizing God's rightful rule. He criticizes legalistic interpretations and stresses the relational aspect of faith with God over mere compliance. The judgment is about proving God’s model effective and superior.
- 00:55:00 - 01:11:34
Finally, the talk concludes by emphasizing the importance of understanding our role as representatives of God's kingdom on Earth, living as examples of God's character. This ultimate judgment is about establishing God’s permanent and flawless governance, ensuring the universe recognizes and desires God's rule.
الخريطة الذهنية
الأسئلة الشائعة
What is the main topic of the speech?
The speaker discusses the secret message in the Book of Daniel that is intended to be understood at the end of time, focusing on the gospel of the Kingdom.
Why is the Book of Daniel important according to the speaker?
The Book of Daniel contains a sealed secret that is meant to be understood at the time of the end to awaken God's people.
What is the significance of the gospel of the Kingdom in the talk?
The gospel of the Kingdom is the message that was presented 2000 years ago and is meant to be understood in the last days, also focusing on the message of God's character and government.
How does the speaker connect the Book of Daniel to the Book of Revelation?
The speaker shows parallels between the angels in Daniel chapter 12 and Revelation chapter 10, indicating that an unsealed message is meant for the entire world.
What is the role of judgment in the speaker's message?
The speaker emphasizes a pre-advent judgment focusing on the judgment of God's kingdom and character, which precedes the setting up of God's eternal rule.
What examples from the Bible are used to illustrate God's intervention in human history?
Examples include Israel's exodus from Egypt, the coming of the Messiah, and the role of John the Baptist during Jesus' time.
What does the speaker say about the traditional understanding of salvation?
He remarks that the question of man's salvation is only a part of the gospel and stresses a broader understanding focused on God's character and government.
How does the speaker view the role of Christians in relation to God's kingdom?
Christians are seen as representatives of God's character, meant to demonstrate the greatness of God's government to the world.
Why does the speaker mention the Advent movement?
He believes God intended to reveal truths about the end time atonement and pre-advent judgment through the Advent movement, though it became entangled in legalism.
What parallel does the speaker draw with judgments in history?
He compares the judgment of kingdoms in Daniel with the judgment of God's kingdom before it is fully established, highlighting the testing of God's government.
What message is emphasized as the gospel in the end times?
The reinforcement of God's character and government as the gospel, beyond the simple salvation message.
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- 00:00:11okay good morning brothers and
- 00:00:23sisters I got a good
- 00:00:27um good rest last night
- 00:00:30but
- 00:00:35um some Jamaican ladies brought me some
- 00:00:39Jamaican is breakfast this morning and
- 00:00:43because of
- 00:00:44that I maybe ate a little bit too much
- 00:00:46so I'm slightly
- 00:00:51disoriented anyway I'm blessed to be
- 00:00:54here happy to be here and
- 00:00:57um so glad to see all of you
- 00:01:01I pray that the Lord may give us
- 00:01:03sunshine in our hearts in spite of the
- 00:01:05rain and bless us
- 00:01:08abundantly as we hear together from his
- 00:01:11word so if you will bow your heads with
- 00:01:14me we will
- 00:01:21pray our father thank you so much for
- 00:01:24another opportunity to Fellowship
- 00:01:27together and to share in the study of
- 00:01:30your
- 00:01:31word I want to thank you for these
- 00:01:34brothers and sisters who have braved the
- 00:01:36rain to be here this
- 00:01:37morning and we know that it is your
- 00:01:41Delight to bless your people you don't
- 00:01:42bring us together just to entertain us
- 00:01:45but to draw us closer to yourself and to
- 00:01:48help us to understand your purposes
- 00:01:51better so we thank you for bringing us
- 00:01:53together and we pray that as we submit
- 00:01:55ourselves to you you will bless us this
- 00:01:58morning because we come to you in the
- 00:02:01name of your son Our Savior Jesus Christ
- 00:02:09amen all right I'm going to uh continue
- 00:02:12from where I left off yesterday and um
- 00:02:17yesterday just a reminder for those of
- 00:02:19us who might not have been here at that
- 00:02:21time what I was trying to demonstrate
- 00:02:26and I'm still going to focus on today is
- 00:02:28that there is something there is a
- 00:02:30secret that God locked up in the Book of
- 00:02:33Daniel and it was not to be
- 00:02:36understood until the end of time or the
- 00:02:39time of the end
- 00:02:42now every time I say this or something
- 00:02:45like this I'm conscious of the fact that
- 00:02:47people are always making extravagant
- 00:02:50claims all right it makes me a little
- 00:02:52bit cautious and a little
- 00:02:54bit reluctant to say things like this
- 00:02:58because you know I I've I've read a lot
- 00:03:01of documents or seen a lot of articles
- 00:03:03about God's hidden message God's secret
- 00:03:07so I I'm very anxious when I say
- 00:03:09something like this to to make sure that
- 00:03:11we can understand and see it clearly
- 00:03:14from the
- 00:03:16Bible the the verse that we are looking
- 00:03:19at it's on the screen in Daniel 12: 8
- 00:03:22to10 is is the is the main reason why we
- 00:03:27would come to this conclusion God says
- 00:03:29it there's an there's this is not even
- 00:03:30the
- 00:03:31words of a prophet it's it's the words
- 00:03:34of an Angel who is speaking to
- 00:03:37Daniel Daniel doesn't understand all the
- 00:03:40things that he's being told and so he
- 00:03:42asks a question oh my Lord what shall be
- 00:03:46the end of these things and the answer
- 00:03:48he gets is
- 00:03:49this go your way Daniel for the words
- 00:03:54are closed up and
- 00:03:56sealed till the time of the
- 00:04:00end if God says this what hope is there
- 00:04:04for anybody to understand it before the
- 00:04:07time of the end it's an
- 00:04:08impossibility why does God lock up a
- 00:04:10message seal it it's there in the Bible
- 00:04:14but it's incomprehensible until the time
- 00:04:17of the end God intends that the message
- 00:04:20when it is understood should create
- 00:04:24a a Great Awakening among his people I
- 00:04:28believe so it's not there here just for
- 00:04:31you know novelty for the novelty of it
- 00:04:33for for us to be
- 00:04:34entertained God has a purpose in mind
- 00:04:37you know when I think back on the way he
- 00:04:40has worked in the past I
- 00:04:42remember Israel was in Egypt for over
- 00:04:45200 years then a moment in time came and
- 00:04:48God found a man when the time when the
- 00:04:50time arrived nobody had to go and try to
- 00:04:52create a Revival God had a purpose and
- 00:04:55he found a man and when he found that
- 00:04:58man he sent him with a message and
- 00:05:00whether all the forces of Satan could
- 00:05:03not stop Israel coming out of Egypt
- 00:05:05God's moment had arrived and you can
- 00:05:07think of many times during the history
- 00:05:09of the Bible when similar things happen
- 00:05:11when it was time for the Messiah to
- 00:05:14come John the Baptist appeared the wise
- 00:05:17men came from the East the Shepherds
- 00:05:19Angels appeared to the shepherds in the
- 00:05:20field God has moments in time when he
- 00:05:24decides to intervene in the Affairs of
- 00:05:27men and nobody can stop it
- 00:05:30and um I believe the message in Daniel
- 00:05:33is one
- 00:05:34such event one such moment that he has
- 00:05:37he has locked up in
- 00:05:39time for it to have its effect when the
- 00:05:43appointed time arrives there's something
- 00:05:45else in the Bible similar I'm just going
- 00:05:47to drop this in by the way just to sort
- 00:05:49of highlight what I'm saying you know in
- 00:05:51Revelation chap 10 it says that um when
- 00:05:55when the angel uttered this a roar he
- 00:05:58wrote like
- 00:06:00like he heard John heard seven
- 00:06:03Thunders you remember I'm always
- 00:06:06interested in that I'm fascinated
- 00:06:08because it says John said he was about
- 00:06:10to write what the Thunders
- 00:06:13said and the the the voice said don't
- 00:06:16write shut it up seal the things that
- 00:06:19the seventh Thunders
- 00:06:21said I I don't even try to understand
- 00:06:24John heard a sound nobody has a clue
- 00:06:27what he heard and God says don't write
- 00:06:29it why why did you
- 00:06:30even make John hear this if if it's not
- 00:06:33recorded so we can ever hope to
- 00:06:36understand and it's very interesting
- 00:06:38because God gives a message in the seven
- 00:06:40Thunders and he never even records what
- 00:06:42he says so how do you have a hope of
- 00:06:45understanding recently a brother gave me
- 00:06:47a little clue that H might have
- 00:06:49something he says in the Book of
- 00:06:51Revelation there are seven places where
- 00:06:54you hear the sound of Thunders maybe
- 00:06:56something to pursue but
- 00:06:58anyway it's just interesting the way God
- 00:07:01does things and um I'm very interested
- 00:07:04in this this message that was sealed up
- 00:07:09because God says the wicked shall not
- 00:07:12understand but the wise will understand
- 00:07:14and you know which category we have we
- 00:07:17intend to be in
- 00:07:19right absolutely I hope so I hope
- 00:07:21everybody everybody's clear on
- 00:07:23that um so we saw that there is a
- 00:07:29parallel between the
- 00:07:31angel the the Clue the clue that that
- 00:07:35we're looking
- 00:07:36for we find in in in Revelation 10 this
- 00:07:40hidden message because we see two angels
- 00:07:42there's one in in Daniel CH 12 and
- 00:07:45there's one in Revelation 10 and they
- 00:07:47are very similar the what is said about
- 00:07:50both these angels is almost identical
- 00:07:53except in places where they need to be
- 00:07:55different and I I'll show you what I'll
- 00:07:57remind you of what I mean this is the
- 00:08:00one who seals the
- 00:08:02book this one tells Daniel to shut it up
- 00:08:06and seal it until the time of the end
- 00:08:08and he mentions a time period of three
- 00:08:10and a half years time times and half a
- 00:08:12time this one comes down with a book
- 00:08:15open and it says the same thing about
- 00:08:18him except now it says there shall be
- 00:08:20time no longer or there shall be delay
- 00:08:23no
- 00:08:24longer and and now John is told that
- 00:08:28he's to prophesy again to the whole
- 00:08:31planet apparently the message that is
- 00:08:33locked up in the Book of Daniel is for
- 00:08:35the whole
- 00:08:36planet and God tells John when you when
- 00:08:40you have when this book is open and you
- 00:08:42eat it it's sweet in your mouth bitter
- 00:08:45in your belly then you will have a
- 00:08:46message for the whole
- 00:08:48planet and
- 00:08:50apparently putting two and two together
- 00:08:53I gather that this is the message that
- 00:08:55was locked up in the Book of Daniel it
- 00:08:57is now for the whole world so so just to
- 00:08:59look at the just to compare both things
- 00:09:02again so we get it clearly fixed in our
- 00:09:07minds look at the parallel between both
- 00:09:09passages just in case you might think
- 00:09:12I'm kind of making this up but look at
- 00:09:14the
- 00:09:15parallel the angel stands on the river
- 00:09:17this one stands on the sea and the Earth
- 00:09:19the first one holds up his hand to
- 00:09:20Heaven this one holds up his hand to
- 00:09:21heaven the first one swears by the one
- 00:09:23who lives forever the second one does
- 00:09:24the same the first one says it shall be
- 00:09:273.5 times the second one says there
- 00:09:29shall be time or they shall be delay no
- 00:09:30longer the first one says the book is
- 00:09:33shut and sealed the second one has a
- 00:09:35little book open the first one tells
- 00:09:37Daniel to rest because at the end of the
- 00:09:40days he will stand in his place the
- 00:09:42second one tells John he must prophesy
- 00:09:45again the time is fulfilled and you must
- 00:09:48prophesy again what I tried to say
- 00:09:50yesterday is
- 00:09:52that there's only one
- 00:09:55message and that message is the gospel
- 00:09:57of the Kingdom we saw that clearly Jesus
- 00:10:00says this is what is to be preached to
- 00:10:02All Nations then the end will come so
- 00:10:05the message is the gospel of the
- 00:10:09Kingdom that was preached 2,000 years
- 00:10:12ago but it is to be preached until the
- 00:10:15coming of Jesus and yet how can it be
- 00:10:17that there's a there's a great message
- 00:10:19locked up in
- 00:10:20Daniel when the message for the time is
- 00:10:23the gospel of the
- 00:10:24Kingdom the conclusion that I tried to
- 00:10:27share is that the message in Daniel
- 00:10:30must have to do with the gospel of the
- 00:10:33Kingdom if it is relevant at all it must
- 00:10:36be a part of the Gospel of the Kingdom
- 00:10:39because that is a message forever so it
- 00:10:42must have to do with the gospel of the
- 00:10:43Kingdom so that's what I tried to
- 00:10:45present yesterday
- 00:10:47maybe I wasn't very clear so I'm trying
- 00:10:51to re re
- 00:10:52re revisit this morning to make sure
- 00:10:55everybody understand you
- 00:10:59thank you Mark I like the reassurance I
- 00:11:02need it so
- 00:11:05anyway the theme of this restored
- 00:11:10message the theme of
- 00:11:12it and we're going to focus on that now
- 00:11:15because as I said it has to do with the
- 00:11:17gospel of the Kingdom but what about the
- 00:11:19gospel of the
- 00:11:20Kingdom
- 00:11:22uh John says he took the little book out
- 00:11:25of the Angel's hand he ate it up it was
- 00:11:28in my mouth sweet as honey and as soon
- 00:11:29as I had eaten it my belly was bitter
- 00:11:31and now he gets the commission you must
- 00:11:33prophesy again and I emphasize this word
- 00:11:37again and I made the point that I think
- 00:11:40if you do something again it must have
- 00:11:42been done
- 00:11:44before and the point I made is when
- 00:11:47before do we ever see a commission to
- 00:11:49prophesy to the entire world and I
- 00:11:51suggested that that was in the days of
- 00:11:53the Apostles when the message first was
- 00:11:56given Jesus told them to go into all the
- 00:11:59world to Every Nation people tongues and
- 00:12:03kings and preach the
- 00:12:05gospel that's the message now the angel
- 00:12:08says to John you must prophesy again and
- 00:12:11the reason for this is that during the
- 00:12:132,000 intervening years the gospel has
- 00:12:16been largely
- 00:12:18lost now they say the gospel was
- 00:12:20restored in the time of the reformation
- 00:12:22and that is partially true but the
- 00:12:24Reformation brought an emphasis that I
- 00:12:26believe is only partial and that's a
- 00:12:29point I want to make most people when
- 00:12:31they think about the gospel you know
- 00:12:32what they think about they think about
- 00:12:35how can man be saved I'm going to put
- 00:12:38something to you that I'd like you to
- 00:12:39lock away in your minds that the
- 00:12:41question of man's salvation is only a a
- 00:12:44small part of the Gospel man's salvation
- 00:12:48is a small part of the gospel and if we
- 00:12:52don't understand this it's difficult to
- 00:12:54be in sync with God's purposes
- 00:13:00I can say
- 00:13:01this I stopped being concerned about my
- 00:13:04salvation 40 49 years ago that's how
- 00:13:09long I became a Christian in 49 years
- 00:13:11I've never ever felt that I would be
- 00:13:14lost or I might be
- 00:13:16lost that's the kind of assurance I got
- 00:13:19when I when I met the
- 00:13:21Lord and even though I'm not suggesting
- 00:13:24that I've been
- 00:13:25perfect I've had moments when I so reget
- 00:13:29regretted how I let him down but I I I
- 00:13:32was never in any confusion as to what it
- 00:13:35meant that God had received me as his
- 00:13:37son I've never felt like I would ever be
- 00:13:39lost so somebody might say if this is
- 00:13:41true what motivation do you have for
- 00:13:43doing better what motivation do you have
- 00:13:45for serving the lord brothers and
- 00:13:48sisters if our only motivation is to
- 00:13:50save
- 00:13:51myself you're self-centered and there's
- 00:13:54something inherently wrong with that
- 00:13:56after you become a Christian we we have
- 00:13:59been called for something greater
- 00:14:02something nobler and this greater
- 00:14:04purpose is what I I hope to be able to
- 00:14:07to
- 00:14:09highlight today and maybe in in the next
- 00:14:12presentation there's something more that
- 00:14:14is involved in the good news that is
- 00:14:16greater than the salvation of men and if
- 00:14:19you are locked in there then your
- 00:14:22understanding of God's purposes will be
- 00:14:24necessarily very
- 00:14:26limited so
- 00:14:29now let me let me Skip to My Bible very
- 00:14:31quickly I want you to look at something
- 00:14:34um I need a different screen here but um
- 00:14:36I want to go to
- 00:14:38Revelation chapter
- 00:14:4110 and um just just highlight something
- 00:14:44something everybody knows there's no
- 00:14:46question about it but I want to
- 00:14:47highlight it
- 00:14:49because sometimes it's good when we look
- 00:14:51at it actually look at it it brings it
- 00:14:53out more sharply to our mind I'm going
- 00:14:54to Revelation 10 in the left panel I'm
- 00:14:57in Revelation 10
- 00:14:59in the right panel I'm in Revelation 11
- 00:15:02all right now you know that when the
- 00:15:05Bible was written there were no chapter
- 00:15:08divisions so the chapter divisions are
- 00:15:10put in by the
- 00:15:12translators now the last thing you see
- 00:15:14in Revelation 11 the last verse says he
- 00:15:18said unto
- 00:15:19me you must prophesy again before many
- 00:15:22peoples and Nations and tongues and
- 00:15:23kings and without pause instantly it
- 00:15:26goes to the first verse of chapter 11
- 00:15:29there's no chapter division when you
- 00:15:30read the
- 00:15:32Bible so you must prophesy again before
- 00:15:36many peoples and Nations and tongues and
- 00:15:38kings and there was given to me a re
- 00:15:40like a rod and the angel stood saying
- 00:15:44rise measure the temple of God and the
- 00:15:47Altar and those who Worship in it so
- 00:15:50verse 11 of chapter 10 and verse one of
- 00:15:54chapter 11 they follow right behind one
- 00:15:57another is what I'm saying
- 00:16:00so it's it's reasonable to deduce or to
- 00:16:05conclude that chapter
- 00:16:07one verse one of chapter 11 is a follow
- 00:16:11through or an explanation or a further
- 00:16:14expansion on the last verse of chapter
- 00:16:1610 right so what am I to prophesy about
- 00:16:20what am I to to speak about I must
- 00:16:22prophesy again and we say yeah the
- 00:16:25gospel but what particularly about the
- 00:16:27gospel well here is what the angel says
- 00:16:31next he gives John something like a rod
- 00:16:35and he says measure the temple of God
- 00:16:38and those who Worship in it and the
- 00:16:41Altar and those who Worship in it so so
- 00:16:43this is connected to the
- 00:16:45message that John is to give to the
- 00:16:50world this this requires a little bit of
- 00:16:52reasoning and that's why I'm trying to
- 00:16:53be so painfully meticulous I want to
- 00:16:56make sure that everybody understands my
- 00:16:58reasoning
- 00:16:59when it comes to the Bible you compare
- 00:17:02one scripture with another but you have
- 00:17:03to reason a little bit because you have
- 00:17:05to you have to put the ideas
- 00:17:07together in some kind of logical order
- 00:17:11and I'm saying this because people say
- 00:17:12all the time look here when it comes to
- 00:17:14the Bible human reasoning doesn't count
- 00:17:17and human human logic is not the issue
- 00:17:20but but you're not an
- 00:17:22idiot you read the Bible but you have to
- 00:17:25understand what you read so to say that
- 00:17:27you just read and you don't think about
- 00:17:28that you read is is is a Fool's
- 00:17:33approach you read and then you have to
- 00:17:36wrly divide so you have to reason a
- 00:17:38little bit so in everything that I'm
- 00:17:41trying to present I'm trying to I'm
- 00:17:43trying to to get us all to follow the
- 00:17:45same kind of reasoning so that we don't
- 00:17:48get off into nonsensical conclusions
- 00:17:52right so I'm taking my time um and I
- 00:17:56will say at the end if you think so some
- 00:17:58of this these deductions and reasonings
- 00:18:02are unreasonable please at the end you
- 00:18:06can tell me all right you can even tell
- 00:18:08me publicly I don't mind but save it
- 00:18:11until the end but I would like to know
- 00:18:12if if my reasoning isn't is is
- 00:18:15irrational I would like to know so
- 00:18:19anyway so John is told that he must
- 00:18:22measure he's given a read like a rod and
- 00:18:24he's told to measure the temple of
- 00:18:27God the those that Worship in it but the
- 00:18:30court which is without the temple leave
- 00:18:31out and measure it not for it is given
- 00:18:33unto the Gentiles and the holy city
- 00:18:35shall they tread on the foot 40 and two
- 00:18:37months I know that at least one person
- 00:18:39here will recognize that this is a
- 00:18:41picture I pirated from the Jehovah's
- 00:18:43Witnesses
- 00:18:46so they they had a nice picture it says
- 00:18:48what I wanted to see I took it so I'm
- 00:18:51sure they won't sue
- 00:18:53me
- 00:18:54um now when you talk about measuring
- 00:18:57something what are you doing my grandson
- 00:19:01is
- 00:19:02always standing against the wall so I
- 00:19:05can put a
- 00:19:06ruler and I can see where he is and
- 00:19:08every time he goes up by a fraction of
- 00:19:10an inch he's
- 00:19:12delighted when you measure something
- 00:19:15what are you trying to
- 00:19:17do you're making a judgment you're
- 00:19:20you're
- 00:19:22analyzing you are
- 00:19:24assessing you could even be said to be
- 00:19:27judging it's a form of judgment okay you
- 00:19:30can measure in different ways you can
- 00:19:32measure somebody's height you can
- 00:19:33measure somebody's character you can
- 00:19:35measure somebody's ability in a certain
- 00:19:37subject you have different ways of of
- 00:19:39measuring when I was a teacher I used to
- 00:19:41measure my students ability to Reason by
- 00:19:44maybe giving
- 00:19:46comprehension tests you measure
- 00:19:49somebody's ability in math by giving
- 00:19:50them math problems and then you give
- 00:19:52them a an a a mark afterwards 9 out of
- 00:19:5510 or something but measuring signifies
- 00:19:58assessing and another way to do it to to
- 00:20:01to to label it would be to say it's a
- 00:20:04way of
- 00:20:05judging
- 00:20:07now what does this mean it's in the
- 00:20:10Bible right John is given some kind of
- 00:20:14measuring instrument and he's told to
- 00:20:17measure to assess to analyze the temple
- 00:20:21of
- 00:20:22God what go out and measure a
- 00:20:25building it doesn't make much sense
- 00:20:27until you begin to understand the temple
- 00:20:29in the Bible is not simply the building
- 00:20:33the New Testament concept of the temple
- 00:20:35is not a
- 00:20:37building it's a it's a structure that is
- 00:20:40made up of people the temple of God is a
- 00:20:42Church of the Living God and in also
- 00:20:47associated with that is that your body
- 00:20:49is a temple of the Living God if we go
- 00:20:52by the New Testament interpretation of
- 00:20:54Temple John is being told that there is
- 00:20:58something which constitutes measuring
- 00:21:01the Church of
- 00:21:03God assessing analyzing the Church of
- 00:21:06God as a part of the message that is to
- 00:21:09be given when the Book of Daniel is
- 00:21:12understood
- 00:21:17properly measuring the temple assessing
- 00:21:19or judging
- 00:21:22now what is interesting is that in the
- 00:21:24Book of Daniel in the Book of Daniel in
- 00:21:26that book that was locked up
- 00:21:29there is a scene there is a place which
- 00:21:31focuses particularly on judgment now I'm
- 00:21:35making a connection because I'm going to
- 00:21:37come to a
- 00:21:38point normally we read about this
- 00:21:41judgment and um let me actually go to
- 00:21:44Daniel
- 00:21:457 I have the verses here but I think
- 00:21:48reading it from the Bible is a little
- 00:21:50bit
- 00:21:53more it makes it a little bit
- 00:21:57more it we're able to focus better I'm
- 00:22:01going to go to Daniel
- 00:22:047 and um I want you to look at that
- 00:22:06judgment scene now you know you know
- 00:22:08what happens in this chapter and by the
- 00:22:11way I'm hurrying through some things
- 00:22:14that normally we would take time to
- 00:22:15study I'm I'm making some assumptions
- 00:22:18I'm assuming that most people here if
- 00:22:20not everybody is familiar with the books
- 00:22:22of Daniel and Revelation Maybe I'm
- 00:22:25Wrong at the end of this study I'm going
- 00:22:27to put
- 00:22:29an address on the
- 00:22:31screen
- 00:22:33where I
- 00:22:35have some studies on the books of Daniel
- 00:22:38and
- 00:22:39Revelation
- 00:22:41on two YouTube channels I'm going to put
- 00:22:44it on the board so that the gaps that
- 00:22:46I'm going to leave out this morning I'm
- 00:22:48going through in a bit of a hurry
- 00:22:49because I only have an hour so the gaps
- 00:22:52that I necessarily have to leave out I'm
- 00:22:54going to put the the the links on the
- 00:22:56screen where we can do a more
- 00:22:58comprehensive if we have the time or can
- 00:23:00make the time to look at those
- 00:23:03videos we can go through from chapter
- 00:23:06the beginning of Revelation to the end
- 00:23:07of Revelation and some of these things
- 00:23:09that I'm I'm rushing over you can see
- 00:23:12the details and get a better idea of why
- 00:23:14do we say these things now in Daniel 7
- 00:23:18of course you know about the four Beast
- 00:23:19the lion the bear the the leopard and
- 00:23:23the great and terrible Beast now also
- 00:23:26the little horn that comes up on the
- 00:23:28head of this terrible Beast now at the
- 00:23:30during the career of this little horn
- 00:23:32something extraordinary happens I
- 00:23:37always let me talk to you a little
- 00:23:39frankly a little freely okay I'm among
- 00:23:41friends but I would say it even if I was
- 00:23:44among enemies I am I am
- 00:23:48not I've gotten to the place where I
- 00:23:53don't I'm not defending denominations
- 00:23:58I am I am very very very strongly a
- 00:24:01person who uses the Bible and the Bible
- 00:24:05alone but my background is that I've
- 00:24:08been a 7day Adventist and there there
- 00:24:11are certain things that adventism
- 00:24:14teaches that are highly
- 00:24:18criticized I cannot get away from them
- 00:24:21I'm telling you the truth okay I'm not
- 00:24:23defending a denomination but there are
- 00:24:25certain things that I believe God God
- 00:24:29God locked up in the Advent movement
- 00:24:32speaking very freely most of you know my
- 00:24:34background and you know my position but
- 00:24:36there are two things in adventism that
- 00:24:39makes me believe God was trying to do
- 00:24:42something with that movement now I also
- 00:24:45believe that the church became so locked
- 00:24:49into
- 00:24:51legalism until today that they they got
- 00:24:54diverted from what God was trying to say
- 00:24:56that's my honest heart heartfelt belief
- 00:24:59without bias or Prejudice the church
- 00:25:02today does not understand the meaning of
- 00:25:05what God was giving and the two things I
- 00:25:07mean is God taught them about an end
- 00:25:10time day of
- 00:25:12atonement as far as I know the Adventist
- 00:25:14Church is the only group on Earth that
- 00:25:17teaches this even though they
- 00:25:19misunderstand so many aspects of it but
- 00:25:22I think God gave the truth to them at
- 00:25:24the beginning because it's very
- 00:25:25important and the second thing is the TR
- 00:25:28it's a it's it's Affiliated is the truth
- 00:25:31of a
- 00:25:32pre-advent
- 00:25:35judgment I like to say it that way I
- 00:25:37don't like to say investigative judgment
- 00:25:38because the investigative judgment is a
- 00:25:41concept that holds Terrors for many
- 00:25:44people it's presented in a way that it
- 00:25:47seems to jeopardize the salvation of
- 00:25:49people the legalistic overtones of that
- 00:25:53idea I will not be associated with it
- 00:25:56but what is absolutely true is that the
- 00:25:57Bible teaches for every honest rational
- 00:26:03Bible student there is a pre-advent
- 00:26:06judgment in the Bible there's a judgment
- 00:26:08before Jesus comes again that's Bible
- 00:26:12has nothing to do with denominations but
- 00:26:14it's interesting to me and it means a
- 00:26:16lot that God gave it to the Advent
- 00:26:18movement and that's the reason why
- 00:26:20although I'm not defending a
- 00:26:23denomination I am not condemning the
- 00:26:26Advent movement because I can't do that
- 00:26:28because I can't explain who gave these
- 00:26:30messages to that movement but what I
- 00:26:33know is that I am fully persuaded that
- 00:26:37legalism has destroyed the value of
- 00:26:40these teachings to a great extent and
- 00:26:44um you know I'm persuaded that even
- 00:26:47those who talk about righteousness by
- 00:26:48faith they don't understand the extent
- 00:26:50of that legalism they don't understand
- 00:26:52somewhere lurking in the background
- 00:26:54there is always a a subservience to the
- 00:26:58law
- 00:26:58somewhere in the background no matter
- 00:27:00how they talk about righteousness by
- 00:27:01faith always in the background there is
- 00:27:04this subservience to the
- 00:27:07legal implications that they never get
- 00:27:10away from I appreciated what brother
- 00:27:12Steven was trying to say last night
- 00:27:13because what he was doing he was trying
- 00:27:15to get us away from thinking about the
- 00:27:17law and to think about the relationship
- 00:27:19with God as the primary
- 00:27:22focus I mean I we don't have the time at
- 00:27:25this camp meeting to explore that enough
- 00:27:28but that is such a a a a a
- 00:27:33precious vital thing to understand I'm
- 00:27:37sure that even in this room there there
- 00:27:39are are some of us who who we don't
- 00:27:41understand the the depth of the of the
- 00:27:45infusion of this legal mindset into our
- 00:27:48thinking it's very hard to get out of it
- 00:27:50but always from the beginning God wasn't
- 00:27:54concerned so much about the rules to be
- 00:27:56obeyed that was never the issue
- 00:27:59the real issue
- 00:28:01was our relationship with our father was
- 00:28:06broken since I touched on it I just give
- 00:28:08you a little example you
- 00:28:11know the prodal son and I could have use
- 00:28:14my grandson or any of my children closer
- 00:28:17to to my heart you know the prodigal
- 00:28:19goes
- 00:28:20away he feeding swine he's eating hugs
- 00:28:24food he he's he's whing away his
- 00:28:27father's money money what do you think
- 00:28:29the father is concerned
- 00:28:31about every day my money is being Lost
- 00:28:34Boy spending my money wasting my money
- 00:28:36he's disgracing the family eating
- 00:28:38feeding hugs and eating hog food what do
- 00:28:41you think is going through the father's
- 00:28:42mind you think he cares about the money
- 00:28:45you think he cares about the fact that
- 00:28:46his his family's reputation is at
- 00:28:48stake he sits on the Vera every day as
- 00:28:51one person says he has his binoculars to
- 00:28:53his eyes watching the path watching the
- 00:28:56path all he wants to see is the rugged
- 00:29:00form of his son coming back that's all
- 00:29:03he wants to see not a word about the
- 00:29:06money lost not a word about the the
- 00:29:08family name being dragged in the dust he
- 00:29:11just grabs him and he he
- 00:29:15does everything to make the boy
- 00:29:18understand your mind again he puts the
- 00:29:20robe around him he treats him like
- 00:29:24royalty that's a beautiful story but it
- 00:29:27it expressed is the way
- 00:29:29God really what the issues really are
- 00:29:33what what what many Christians have done
- 00:29:36is that they have the the son come back
- 00:29:39and the father says I'm going to put
- 00:29:41this Rob around you but I want to make
- 00:29:44sure that you don't go away again and I
- 00:29:46want to make sure that you you have
- 00:29:48learned how to spend money carefully and
- 00:29:50I want to make sure that you have
- 00:29:51learned the danger of e of feeding
- 00:29:54hugs that's how many Christians see
- 00:29:57Christianity
- 00:29:59they can't get away from the
- 00:30:00implications of I am I am I am on
- 00:30:05probation I I am being watched I am
- 00:30:07being held accountable even though I am
- 00:30:12saved the most beautiful thing we can
- 00:30:14ever learn is that God is a father that
- 00:30:18God is a daddy I say Daddy because for
- 00:30:21me Daddy means more than father father
- 00:30:24is a a a a a biological
- 00:30:29condition
- 00:30:31Daddy when I said Daddy it had warmth it
- 00:30:34had love it had tolerance it had
- 00:30:37patience all of that was involved in the
- 00:30:39word daddy so I like the word
- 00:30:41anyway I'm distracted a little bit um
- 00:30:45let me go back to
- 00:30:46Daniel so what we see is that during the
- 00:30:50career of the fourth Beast and the
- 00:30:52little horn something happens Daniel uh
- 00:30:55Daniel says I saw till the Thrones were
- 00:30:57cast on Thrones were set in place and
- 00:30:59the Ancient of Days did sit he goes on
- 00:31:01to describe God the Father sitting on a
- 00:31:03throne it
- 00:31:06says the Judgment was set and the books
- 00:31:09were
- 00:31:10open which
- 00:31:13judgment is it the Judgment 1,000 years
- 00:31:16in the
- 00:31:17future no this judgment is while the
- 00:31:20little horn is speaking great words at
- 00:31:24judgment sits where obviously in heaven
- 00:31:27the father sits and angels are all
- 00:31:29around him the 10,000 time 10,000s they
- 00:31:31are angels they are not people if if
- 00:31:34people read carelessly carelessly they
- 00:31:37think these are people but when you go
- 00:31:39to Revelation where the same exact
- 00:31:41terminology is used 10,000 time 10,000
- 00:31:44and thousands of thousands of angels we
- 00:31:46are told that these are angels what are
- 00:31:48they therefore they are therefore the
- 00:31:53Judgment so look what happens in the
- 00:31:56Judgment I held then I kept on looking
- 00:31:59then verse 11 because of the voice of
- 00:32:00the great words which a horn spake I
- 00:32:03beheld even till the Beast was slain and
- 00:32:05his body destroyed and given to the
- 00:32:07Burning Flame when during the time of
- 00:32:10the Judgment or at the end of the
- 00:32:12Judgment the Beast is slain the Beast is
- 00:32:15a is is a an institution that exists on
- 00:32:19planet Earth this is not at the end of
- 00:32:22time this is during the career of the
- 00:32:24fourth Beast which is Rome the judgment
- 00:32:29sits and the sentence is that the Beast
- 00:32:31is destroyed and given to the Burning
- 00:32:33Flame the
- 00:32:36problem with Revel with Daniel 7 is that
- 00:32:39I usually would stop at that point I
- 00:32:41would stop at this point but let me go a
- 00:32:43little further now verse 13 is a part of
- 00:32:46the same passage I saw in the night
- 00:32:50visions and behold one like the son of
- 00:32:52man came at the clouds of heaven and
- 00:32:54came to the Ancient of Days and they
- 00:32:56brought him near before him no way you
- 00:32:58can think that this is happening on
- 00:32:59Earth Jesus the son of man he comes with
- 00:33:02the Clouds Of Heaven I believe this
- 00:33:04these clouds of Heaven have to be an
- 00:33:07Entourage of angels I don't think there
- 00:33:09are clouds in
- 00:33:10heaven right I think it's an Entourage
- 00:33:12of angels and they bring Jesus into the
- 00:33:14presence of the father Heaven is a real
- 00:33:17place things happen there and when does
- 00:33:20this happen that's the question when
- 00:33:22does this happen it happens at the same
- 00:33:24time that the Beast is sentenced there
- 00:33:26are two consequences of the Judgment
- 00:33:29this was what I missed for most of my
- 00:33:33life there are two consequences I never
- 00:33:37it never hit me that there are not four
- 00:33:39Kingdoms in Daniel 7 there are five
- 00:33:44kingdoms The Lion The Bear the leopard
- 00:33:48the terrible Beast and the kingdom of
- 00:33:51Jesus Christ there are five
- 00:33:55kingdoms I missed the five kingdom
- 00:33:58look at what it says the Judgment sits
- 00:34:00and in the Judgment there is a there is
- 00:34:03an assessment of two kingdoms there's a
- 00:34:05kingdom of the Beast he goes to the
- 00:34:07Burning Flame there's a kingdom of
- 00:34:09Christ also
- 00:34:12assessed and in verse 14 it says and
- 00:34:15there was given him dominion and glory
- 00:34:18and a kingdom that all peoples Nations
- 00:34:21and languages should serve him his
- 00:34:23Dominion is an everlasting Dominion
- 00:34:25which shall not pass away and his
- 00:34:27kingdom om that which shall not be
- 00:34:29destroyed so two consequences the Beast
- 00:34:31kingdom is destroyed the kingdom of
- 00:34:33Christ is given the the the the latitude
- 00:34:36the The Authority the privilege of
- 00:34:39lasting forever and
- 00:34:41ever now how does this make
- 00:34:45sense that the kingdom of Christ is
- 00:34:47judged how does this make
- 00:34:49sense I really if you have never been
- 00:34:52exposed to this idea I really would like
- 00:34:54you to watch those videos on Daniel and
- 00:34:56the Revelation but let me just say quick
- 00:34:59we all
- 00:35:01assume that the kingdom of God is a
- 00:35:04given God's kingdom
- 00:35:07automatically receives Authority why
- 00:35:10because God is
- 00:35:13God no that's not how it works and I I I
- 00:35:17will I will just reason a little bit and
- 00:35:19then I will demonstrate it to you that's
- 00:35:22not how it
- 00:35:23works you know what I will leave it
- 00:35:26until I get there it's on my it's in my
- 00:35:29notes and I think I should take it in
- 00:35:30order otherwise I'm going to be
- 00:35:32repeating myself so the Beast is given
- 00:35:35to the Burning Flame pardon the crude
- 00:35:39illustration so the Beast is judged and
- 00:35:43the other part one like the son of man
- 00:35:45comes at the clouds of heaven and they
- 00:35:47brought him near before
- 00:35:49him see I'm repeating myself because I
- 00:35:51had it all here and then there is given
- 00:35:54to him glory and Dominion that all
- 00:35:56people should serve
- 00:35:58him two consequences in the
- 00:36:01Judgment two entities two kingdoms being
- 00:36:05judged the underlying theme of Daniel 7
- 00:36:09is
- 00:36:09Judgment there is a judgment but the
- 00:36:12problem with the judgment is people
- 00:36:13don't understand the nature of this
- 00:36:15judgment and the issues in the
- 00:36:19Judgment the reason for the judgment and
- 00:36:21I think I'm getting to my point here now
- 00:36:24so we have to understand first of all
- 00:36:27sat 's three-fold
- 00:36:29attack now Satan in the beginning
- 00:36:32attacked two
- 00:36:35things I think brother Steve was also
- 00:36:37alluding to that last night but I I I
- 00:36:40might add some elements that he maybe
- 00:36:42didn't cover Satan attacked God in the
- 00:36:45beginning now I'm going beyond the
- 00:36:46Garden of Eden because first thing I
- 00:36:49want us to understand is that Satan's
- 00:36:52Satan's Rebellion did not start in the
- 00:36:55Garden of Eden the problem in the
- 00:36:57universe did not start in the Garden of
- 00:37:00Eden the the the problem in the universe
- 00:37:04is greater than planet Earth that's why
- 00:37:06I say the salvation of man is a
- 00:37:08secondary issue before man sin did God
- 00:37:11have a
- 00:37:12problem yeah there was a there was a
- 00:37:15devil there was a devil who attacked God
- 00:37:17before man sinned the attack upon
- 00:37:20Humanity was simply a part of his
- 00:37:24assault against God he wanted us because
- 00:37:27we were God's Property he wanted us
- 00:37:29because he could use us as Tools in his
- 00:37:31plan to overthrow the government of God
- 00:37:35but the problem existed before the good
- 00:37:38news is not just about saving man the
- 00:37:41good news has to do with something
- 00:37:45greater that's why I am I I I believe
- 00:37:49some of these
- 00:37:50ideas would not be possible to
- 00:37:52understand properly unless we grasp the
- 00:37:55message of Daniel unless we understand
- 00:37:57the Judgment taking place in
- 00:37:59Daniel first of all he attacked God's
- 00:38:02character now the Bible doesn't say a
- 00:38:04lot
- 00:38:05about the war in heaven
- 00:38:09before man sin but we get some glimpses
- 00:38:12of the way Satan goes about things don't
- 00:38:14we he comes to Adam and Eve and he says
- 00:38:17God is a
- 00:38:18liar God knows that if you eat this
- 00:38:20fruit you will become like God but God
- 00:38:23is a kind of person like this he's
- 00:38:25trying to keep you down he doesn't want
- 00:38:26you to progress
- 00:38:28he doesn't want you to to to be like him
- 00:38:30and so he tells you not to do this and
- 00:38:32it really is good for you he's
- 00:38:33slandering God's
- 00:38:37character he tries to make God out to be
- 00:38:40a person with selfish evil motives and
- 00:38:43of course he succeeded that's why we're
- 00:38:45where we are today he attacked God's
- 00:38:48character number one secondly he
- 00:38:49attacked God's
- 00:38:52government now this how do we why do we
- 00:38:56say this and how do we prove this well
- 00:38:58if you look at what happened when when
- 00:39:00he went to heaven in the Book of
- 00:39:03Job and he
- 00:39:05attacked God's way of dealing with job
- 00:39:08you remember the story he said job is
- 00:39:10only serving you because you are taking
- 00:39:13care of him it's not because you're good
- 00:39:15it's not because there's anything in you
- 00:39:17that is worth serving but job is serving
- 00:39:19you because you are taking care of him
- 00:39:22protecting him and so he's only doing
- 00:39:24this for his own benefit it's not
- 00:39:27because he thinks your way is better you
- 00:39:29read between the lines and you see what
- 00:39:30he's insinuating he's saying that nobody
- 00:39:32could really serve God out of love and
- 00:39:35admiration because God is not good
- 00:39:37enough but job is doing it because he's
- 00:39:40benefiting and God had to permit him to
- 00:39:45terribly afflict job just to prove the
- 00:39:47point
- 00:39:49so the third thing that he did was he
- 00:39:51attacked the human race and as I said
- 00:39:54the attack against the human race was
- 00:39:57the because we belonged to God and
- 00:40:00because I think he sensed that in some
- 00:40:02way we could become
- 00:40:05Tools in God's battle to to clear his
- 00:40:08name so he attacked the human race and
- 00:40:10we know he succeeded
- 00:40:12so Satan's method now we have to
- 00:40:16understand this otherwise we can't
- 00:40:17understand what is going on Satan's
- 00:40:19method was based entirely on propaganda
- 00:40:23now that's
- 00:40:26obvious pictures sometimes confus us
- 00:40:30when you go to Revelation 12 and it says
- 00:40:31and there was war in heaven have you
- 00:40:33ever seen the
- 00:40:34pictures as the angels with swords right
- 00:40:38and they they are they are in physical
- 00:40:42Warfare
- 00:40:44and I realize that that is so misleading
- 00:40:49because if God created Satan by
- 00:40:52speaking and if God upholds the universe
- 00:40:54by the word of his power how long will
- 00:40:57Satan last in a physical battle with
- 00:41:01god if if Satan had
- 00:41:04hope how could Jesus say to the the the
- 00:41:07the Legion of
- 00:41:08devils he could say to the Legion of
- 00:41:11devils come out of this this man and
- 00:41:13over a thousand Devils had to leave
- 00:41:16instantly can evil angels put up a fight
- 00:41:18against God's angels if it's a physical
- 00:41:21battle it's
- 00:41:23impossible so so the Warfare that we are
- 00:41:26talking about cannot be a conflict of
- 00:41:29force but it's a conflict that is based
- 00:41:32on ideology
- 00:41:35ideas and if s the way Satan fights this
- 00:41:38war makes sense he uses propaganda okay
- 00:41:41if you can't fight somebody there are so
- 00:41:43many people in here that I mean I'm one
- 00:41:45of the smallest men in
- 00:41:48here I have a little bit of strength but
- 00:41:51I mean I wouldn't try to to to to go
- 00:41:54into a contest against some of the other
- 00:41:55folks in here because I would lose right
- 00:41:58but I can still beat you in some ways
- 00:42:00right I I if we have something going on
- 00:42:03I can find a way to use my brain to
- 00:42:06maybe get public opinion turned against
- 00:42:08you so badly that you creep out of here
- 00:42:10with your tail between your legs because
- 00:42:12I have shamed you and I've lied on you
- 00:42:15and I've made everybody believe that
- 00:42:16you're a
- 00:42:17scoundrel I can work in this way if I am
- 00:42:20devious enough and I'm that kind of
- 00:42:21person that way we are not
- 00:42:24fighting with Force of Arms but it's a
- 00:42:27just the same and it's one I can hope to
- 00:42:29use if I'm I can hope to win if I'm
- 00:42:32smart enough That's what Satan tried to
- 00:42:34do there's no way you can explain the
- 00:42:37rebellion of Lucifer against God unless
- 00:42:39you explain it this way it's a
- 00:42:42propaganda War it's a war of information
- 00:42:45That's what Satan set out to do in
- 00:42:47trying to destroy God it's the only way
- 00:42:50you can fight against God somebody will
- 00:42:53say it doesn't make any sense God God
- 00:42:57all God has to do is destroy him with a
- 00:42:58snap of his fingers that's all he has to
- 00:43:00do but that's not all he will do because
- 00:43:02if that was what God would do Satan
- 00:43:04would have been dead at least 6,000
- 00:43:06years
- 00:43:08ago the problem is that a good ruler
- 00:43:12does not rule by force he rules because
- 00:43:16the population wants him to
- 00:43:19rule the population admires him loves
- 00:43:23him desires him sees that his way is
- 00:43:25good and wants him as their ruler that's
- 00:43:28the way a good ruler rules a good father
- 00:43:31manages his family in the same way those
- 00:43:34who are dictators and who compel people
- 00:43:36to
- 00:43:37behave people don't stay around them
- 00:43:41long God is a good God we say and it
- 00:43:45means he's good also in his government
- 00:43:47the way he governs people is by the
- 00:43:50choice of the people that stands to
- 00:43:52reason and so to destroy this what Satan
- 00:43:55had to do was Destroy public opinion he
- 00:43:58had to turn public opinion against God
- 00:44:01and clearly he was so successful that
- 00:44:03onethird of highly intelligent
- 00:44:06beings came to accept his
- 00:44:09lies so it it really is
- 00:44:13[Music]
- 00:44:15something
- 00:44:17really
- 00:44:19great that happened in this
- 00:44:22rebellion and the solution to the
- 00:44:25problem was not an easy one
- 00:44:27no other way that Satan could fight God
- 00:44:29it was a it was a war based on
- 00:44:33misinformation how do you defend
- 00:44:35yourself in something like this well the
- 00:44:36first thing God had to give an
- 00:44:41irrefutable revelation of the truth now
- 00:44:43the word
- 00:44:45irrefutable it means that you can't
- 00:44:48argue against
- 00:44:49it how does God
- 00:44:52show that he's a good person how does
- 00:44:55God show the kind of character that he
- 00:44:56has has in a way that nobody can
- 00:44:59question
- 00:45:01it the greater you are the harder it
- 00:45:05is the greater you are the harder it
- 00:45:09is any little child in here 6 years old
- 00:45:13he comes in here I watch him for 5
- 00:45:15minutes I can tell what kind of
- 00:45:16character he has because children don't
- 00:45:20have the capacity to to deceive me
- 00:45:22they're not subtle enough or smart
- 00:45:23enough or tricky or cunning they they
- 00:45:26they they're not they're developed
- 00:45:27enough to be able to fool me I can tell
- 00:45:28you in 6 minutes what a child is
- 00:45:31like somebody who is in his 50s 60s
- 00:45:3570s uh the older people if they set out
- 00:45:38to deceive you they will do it easily
- 00:45:41because theyve learn over their lifetime
- 00:45:45how to mask their
- 00:45:47emotions how to hide them in other words
- 00:45:50if an older person is lying to you it's
- 00:45:52harder to tell if God is lying to you
- 00:45:55it's impossible to tell
- 00:45:58if God sets out to deceive you you don't
- 00:46:01have a chance you're a worm against
- 00:46:04against a mind that is is indescribably
- 00:46:08great what chance do you have if Lucifer
- 00:46:11was right and God is this kind of person
- 00:46:13how could you know God had to find a way
- 00:46:16of giving
- 00:46:18irrefutable evidence of the kind of
- 00:46:21person he
- 00:46:25was and um
- 00:46:27of course the opinion of the people who
- 00:46:29are involved this is what would
- 00:46:31determine whether or not God's
- 00:46:33government would be would remain or it
- 00:46:35would would not remain because
- 00:46:38honestly if God Reveals His true nature
- 00:46:40and we don't want him I don't think God
- 00:46:42is going to stay God is not going to
- 00:46:45dominate and to compel people God is not
- 00:46:47a Hitler God is not a dictator um
- 00:46:51Kim Kim what is his name in Korea he's
- 00:46:54supposed to be the most out standing
- 00:46:57modern dictator I think and what I hear
- 00:47:00about him I certainly wouldn't want to
- 00:47:01have anything to do with his kind of
- 00:47:03government God is not that kind of
- 00:47:05person what God needs to defend him to
- 00:47:08defend him what God needs is unbiased
- 00:47:12judgment and to have unbiased judgment
- 00:47:14you need the right information right
- 00:47:16Satan has given the world bad
- 00:47:18information Satan has given the church
- 00:47:20bad information even in the in in in the
- 00:47:23doctrine of righteousness by works and
- 00:47:26all these certain little things even in
- 00:47:28the doctrine of the Trinity Satan has
- 00:47:31distorted the face of God so
- 00:47:33badly that the Judgment that we beings
- 00:47:37have of God is necessarily
- 00:47:40distorted even even in the best picture
- 00:47:43that we have there are elements of
- 00:47:45ugliness that we don't quite get rid of
- 00:47:47not too easily and God's purpose is to
- 00:47:50clear away all of this unquestionably
- 00:47:54because that's the basis on which God's
- 00:47:56government is to be established forever
- 00:47:59and ever it will be established not
- 00:48:02because God says I am the strongest I am
- 00:48:05the king you subject yourselves no it
- 00:48:08will be established forever because
- 00:48:10God's people say we have discovered the
- 00:48:14beauty of your character we have seen
- 00:48:17the glory of your government and we want
- 00:48:20nothing else for all eternity not just
- 00:48:23people but angels and all the beings
- 00:48:26that exist in the sea and Under the Sea
- 00:48:28and in the earth and under the Earth and
- 00:48:30in the sky and under the sky everything
- 00:48:32that lives will
- 00:48:35know that God is indeed love the good
- 00:48:39news is the good news about the kind of
- 00:48:42God that God is that's ultimately the
- 00:48:48gospel we have made the gospel about
- 00:48:50ourselves but the gospel is really about
- 00:48:53the God that we worship when we properly
- 00:48:56understand that the good news is the
- 00:48:58good news about the kind of God who
- 00:49:00rules the
- 00:49:03universe people think that's nonsense
- 00:49:05they think you're being presumptuous
- 00:49:07you're putting God on judgment we don't
- 00:49:09put God on judgment God puts himself on
- 00:49:11judgment because he will not rule except
- 00:49:14through love and willing submissiveness
- 00:49:18to
- 00:49:20him it is because of God's weapon of
- 00:49:23defense is unbiased judgment he will
- 00:49:26defend himself through our opinion and
- 00:49:29that's amazing that's amazing people
- 00:49:32think of God and all they think about is
- 00:49:34the
- 00:49:35power that's nonsense if power makes you
- 00:49:39no wonder many people worship Satan
- 00:49:42because in this world he dis his Display
- 00:49:44of Power is often very great you know we
- 00:49:48were we were we were worshiping together
- 00:49:51in our fellowship and there was a little
- 00:49:52boy there and my my father when he was
- 00:49:55alive he was talking about um the power
- 00:49:57that God wants to give his people and
- 00:49:59this little boy says that's what I want
- 00:50:06power
- 00:50:08and it was it was amusing we had a good
- 00:50:11laugh but the thing is he was just
- 00:50:12expressing how people are right they
- 00:50:15want
- 00:50:16power I I I often wonder why people go
- 00:50:20through such hoops and and such
- 00:50:22Shenanigans to become political leaders
- 00:50:26why and I am convinced it's a power
- 00:50:29therea and people go to worship Satan
- 00:50:31because they looking for power if power
- 00:50:34was the issue many people would have a a
- 00:50:37right in worshiping Satan but God God
- 00:50:40highlights as the greatest revelation of
- 00:50:43himself not his power but his
- 00:50:46character and we can see that here God's
- 00:50:49answer is the good news but also the
- 00:50:52good news of the kingdom and I'll touch
- 00:50:54on that in just a moment
- 00:50:57God's answer is first of all to reveal
- 00:50:59God's character there's your answer
- 00:51:01Satan the revelation of God's
- 00:51:05character secondly God Saves
- 00:51:08Humanity first of all because we are
- 00:51:10valuable to him and secondly because for
- 00:51:14part two of his work he needs
- 00:51:16us and the third thing part two of God's
- 00:51:20work is a revelation of God's government
- 00:51:22so God Reveals His character and he
- 00:51:24Reveals His government but to reveal his
- 00:51:27he needs Humanity so he not only saves
- 00:51:29us but he he he brings us into his
- 00:51:33purposes of answering
- 00:51:36Satan let me tell you that motivates me
- 00:51:40far more than the issue of saving myself
- 00:51:42I said I was saved 49 years ago why do I
- 00:51:46serve him today why do I want to serve
- 00:51:48him when I'm understanding this there is
- 00:51:50a burning desire I want to be a part of
- 00:51:53this mission to vindicate the government
- 00:51:56of my
- 00:51:58father it's something worth fighting for
- 00:52:02It's A Cause to be a part
- 00:52:04of I want to be the answer I want to be
- 00:52:07a part of that answer that God gives
- 00:52:09against his enemy who has plagued us and
- 00:52:11plagued Our Father for Millennia I want
- 00:52:15if God has an answer and he
- 00:52:17does how wonderful to be a part of that
- 00:52:20answer what what greater purpose could
- 00:52:23there be for
- 00:52:24Living God took my a out of the way
- 00:52:28settled it so now I have something
- 00:52:30greater to to devote my energies
- 00:52:33to the glorifying of his name and the
- 00:52:36establishing of his
- 00:52:38kingdom so I'm going to I'm going to I'm
- 00:52:40going to put a little chart on the
- 00:52:41screen
- 00:52:43here and I'm coming to the end in a
- 00:52:45moment but I want to
- 00:52:48highlight the gospel 2,000 years ago and
- 00:52:52to show how the same elements are there
- 00:52:54with slight differences 20 ,000 years
- 00:52:57later which is our
- 00:52:58day
- 00:53:01so there was a messenger 2,000 years ago
- 00:53:04what was his name it was
- 00:53:07Elijah but it was actually John the
- 00:53:09Baptist all right John the Baptist was
- 00:53:11the Elijah before
- 00:53:14God establishes his kingdom he sends an
- 00:53:18Elijah John the Baptist was the Elijah
- 00:53:21he was a messenger what was the message
- 00:53:24the message that he sent was the Gospel
- 00:53:26of of the Kingdom we saw yesterday that
- 00:53:28John Jesus the disciples they all
- 00:53:30preached the Kingdom of Heaven is at
- 00:53:32hand the message was the kingdom is at
- 00:53:35hand what was the
- 00:53:38benefit the benefit was that the kingdom
- 00:53:40was established Jesus Jesus died was
- 00:53:43resurrected went back to heaven and the
- 00:53:46kingdom was established the king came to
- 00:53:48live inside of his
- 00:53:51people the experience is that for 2,000
- 00:53:56years the kingdom of God has been
- 00:53:59growing now I want us to remember this
- 00:54:02because a lot of people don't take that
- 00:54:05part of it into account but if you look
- 00:54:07at all the Parables of Jesus the Kingdom
- 00:54:09of Heaven is like some level that a
- 00:54:11woman took and hid in a measure of
- 00:54:15meal and it stayed there until the whole
- 00:54:18was
- 00:54:19leavened it grows the Kingdom of Heaven
- 00:54:22is like a mustard seed that was planted
- 00:54:24in the ground it was the least of all
- 00:54:25seeds but then it became a great
- 00:54:28tree and all the birds of the air could
- 00:54:30find lodgment in its branches something
- 00:54:32like that he talks often about the
- 00:54:35kingdom starting small and growing there
- 00:54:37is a reason why it grows there's a
- 00:54:40reason why God has waited 2,000 years
- 00:54:42before he settles the issues that
- 00:54:44growing period was necessary so the
- 00:54:48kingdom was set up the good news of the
- 00:54:49kingdom was preached the kingdom was at
- 00:54:51hand and for 2,000 years the kingdom has
- 00:54:55been growing now something
- 00:54:58else before the kingdom could be set up
- 00:55:01something was
- 00:55:05necessary what am I talking
- 00:55:08about before the kingdom was set up the
- 00:55:10king's
- 00:55:12character was
- 00:55:14judged and Humanity was delivered those
- 00:55:17two things took place you you couldn't
- 00:55:19have the kingdom set up unless the king
- 00:55:22first of all was judged now the Bible
- 00:55:24doesn't talk about this very clearly but
- 00:55:27I'll show you the verses that lead to
- 00:55:29this conclusion so look at the pattern I
- 00:55:32have on the screen because I believe
- 00:55:33that this is a pattern at the end as
- 00:55:35well you have an Elijah you have the
- 00:55:37preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom
- 00:55:40you have a judgment then the kingdom is
- 00:55:43established and then you have the final
- 00:55:45experience if you don't have the
- 00:55:47Judgment first the kingdom is not
- 00:55:49established and I believe it happened
- 00:55:512,000 years ago let me show
- 00:55:54you look at what Jesus said John 12 and:
- 00:55:5731 when he was about to be crucified
- 00:55:59what did he say now is the Judgment of
- 00:56:02this world there was a judgment before
- 00:56:06Jesus set up his kingdom he talks about
- 00:56:09the Judgment of this world he talk about
- 00:56:11the prince of this world but in every
- 00:56:13one of these judgments brothers and
- 00:56:15sisters I'm going to show you just like
- 00:56:16how you had the Beast judged in Daniel 7
- 00:56:20and the kingdom of Christ judging Daniel
- 00:56:237 the same thing happened 2,000 years
- 00:56:25ago
- 00:56:27Satan was judged but he was judged
- 00:56:29because Christ was also
- 00:56:31judged and I'll show you where it is
- 00:56:33implied that Christ was judged even
- 00:56:35though it doesn't say so clearly but it
- 00:56:37stands to reason how could Jesus Come
- 00:56:39into his kingdom unless he was first
- 00:56:43examined and we know he was he went
- 00:56:45through the greatest examination of all
- 00:56:47not only while he was living and
- 00:56:48ministering but on the cross he went
- 00:56:51through the greatest examination of all
- 00:56:54the character of God was put on this
- 00:56:56playay the character of God was put
- 00:56:57through the
- 00:56:58ringer God's character was tested to the
- 00:57:02uttermost when his son was dying on the
- 00:57:04cross and Jesus showed the true nature
- 00:57:08of the character of
- 00:57:11God that is
- 00:57:13why what does it say what does it say in
- 00:57:15Hebrews chapter 5 it says he learned
- 00:57:19obedience through the things that he
- 00:57:21suffered what does the next line say and
- 00:57:24being made perfect
- 00:57:27he became the author of Eternal
- 00:57:30salvation Jesus was not qualified to be
- 00:57:32our savior until he was made perfect
- 00:57:36where was he perfected on the cross he
- 00:57:38learned obedience by the things he
- 00:57:39suffered on the cross even the Son of
- 00:57:41God the perfect Son of God was not
- 00:57:43perfect as our savior until he was
- 00:57:46examined and tested and put through the
- 00:57:48ringer and he overcame God's character
- 00:57:50was put on display and he was qualified
- 00:57:53to be our savior
- 00:57:58Hallelujah now is the Judgment of this
- 00:58:00world he talks about this in two places
- 00:58:03it says when the spirit comes he will
- 00:58:04convict the world of judgment because
- 00:58:06the prince of this world is judged Satan
- 00:58:08was judged before Jesus got into his
- 00:58:10kingdom but Jesus also it implies that
- 00:58:14his character was always also tested
- 00:58:16God's God's character was displayed John
- 00:58:191:8 says no man had seen God at any time
- 00:58:22the only begotten son which is in the
- 00:58:23bdom of the father he has done what he
- 00:58:24has declared already revealed or
- 00:58:27manifested or made him
- 00:58:29known John 17:4 I have glorified thee on
- 00:58:33the earth I have finished the work that
- 00:58:36you gave me to do again
- 00:58:38emphasizing the primary work of Jesus is
- 00:58:41not to save
- 00:58:43man that's important I'm not downplaying
- 00:58:45that but even more important was to
- 00:58:47glorify his father when I glorified you
- 00:58:50on the earth I finished the work that
- 00:58:52you gave me to
- 00:58:54do I have manifested tested your name
- 00:58:57your
- 00:58:58character under the men that you gave me
- 00:59:00out of the world
- 00:59:02so in our day now that top column that
- 00:59:06top row is looking at the message as it
- 00:59:09was 2,000 years
- 00:59:11ago you have Elijah again and this time
- 00:59:15I believe it will ultimately be the
- 00:59:17144,000 but when I say the
- 00:59:20144,000 please understand there are many
- 00:59:22people who think that the 144,000 you
- 00:59:24come to a point in time and God locks
- 00:59:26the door and then there's 144,000 who do
- 00:59:29they preach
- 00:59:31to the 144,000 are the last Christians
- 00:59:34living on this Earth here's my
- 00:59:36understanding of the 144,000 it starts
- 00:59:39with people like us
- 00:59:41today and as we share the good news with
- 00:59:45others other people become a part of the
- 00:59:47group and as they join the Army and they
- 00:59:50start sharing other people become a part
- 00:59:52of the group some of us perhaps will go
- 00:59:55to sleep some of us might end up in
- 00:59:57prison I don't know this is this of
- 01:00:00course is understanding that a crisis
- 01:00:02will arise surrounding the surrounding
- 01:00:05the development of that final group of
- 01:00:08Christians all of that we're not going
- 01:00:10to go into that at this moment but the
- 01:00:12final body of Christians is what the
- 01:00:15Bible refers to as a 144,000 okay so the
- 01:00:20Elijah of these last
- 01:00:23days are to be
- 01:00:26from among People Like Us where do we
- 01:00:28get our message our message is the
- 01:00:30gospel of the kingdom and
- 01:00:34while originally they preached that the
- 01:00:37Kingdom of Heaven is at hand I think the
- 01:00:38message is the same but this time we
- 01:00:40have an emphasis on the Judgment because
- 01:00:42what we're talking about is the Judgment
- 01:00:44of the Kingdom I think Christians need
- 01:00:46to understand our Our Kingdom our
- 01:00:50kingdom God
- 01:00:52wants his kingdom to be on display in
- 01:00:55such a way
- 01:00:57that the universe will see the benefits
- 01:01:00of the government of God in my next
- 01:01:03presentation I will talk about this a
- 01:01:04little bit more but let me just say a
- 01:01:06quick
- 01:01:08word as a Christian you're not a normal
- 01:01:11person you're not a normal
- 01:01:13person your business in this world is
- 01:01:16far different from anybody else's we're
- 01:01:20here to represent the king of the
- 01:01:23universe we are here to show the world
- 01:01:26the character of God that's our great
- 01:01:28Mission the character of our God if you
- 01:01:31don't want to be good for yourself you
- 01:01:34should want to be good for our
- 01:01:37father I'm not worried about my
- 01:01:39salvation I'm safe but my goodness man
- 01:01:43my father's Kingdom my father's name
- 01:01:46yeah I will work for that I will be a
- 01:01:49Works oriented person for my father's
- 01:01:53name somehow God is going to put us in a
- 01:01:58situation where his character comes
- 01:02:00through in such a way that the planet
- 01:02:02sits up and takes
- 01:02:05notice and that is that is the kind of
- 01:02:07development that we ought to be involved
- 01:02:10in today you know not in the little
- 01:02:12petty stupidness that the world is into
- 01:02:14all kinds of nonsense and
- 01:02:17rubbish we are about our father and
- 01:02:19about his kingdom the kingdom of God is
- 01:02:21to be Vindicated because God's character
- 01:02:24is to be displayed God's government it
- 01:02:26is to be seen by this planet that when
- 01:02:29God lives inside of people they become
- 01:02:31the best people that the world has ever
- 01:02:38seen the benefit is that it says in
- 01:02:41Revelation 11 that the kingdoms of this
- 01:02:44world becomes the kingdoms of our God
- 01:02:47and of his Christ and he shall reign
- 01:02:49forever and
- 01:02:50ever the
- 01:02:52experience we will live with him for a
- 01:02:54thousand years in the kingdom of heaven
- 01:02:57and eventually that Kingdom will be set
- 01:02:59up here forever and ever what comes
- 01:03:04before our kingdom takes over what is
- 01:03:07the prerequisite and again it's the same
- 01:03:10thing brothers and sisters the king's
- 01:03:12government is to be
- 01:03:14judged Jesus will not obtain his kingdom
- 01:03:18God will not have the whole universe
- 01:03:20reconciled until the Judgment it makes
- 01:03:23sense how do you put a a government in
- 01:03:26place if it is not demonstr no no no how
- 01:03:29do you put a government in
- 01:03:31place with the freedom to exist forever
- 01:03:34and ever and ever and ever unless you
- 01:03:38first
- 01:03:39prove this
- 01:03:42government how can you give somebody
- 01:03:44that Latitude to rule forever if you
- 01:03:47have not tested his
- 01:03:50system would you put Donald Trump as
- 01:03:52president for eternity would you put
- 01:03:55would you put
- 01:03:56Cala Harris or Joe Biden or Barack Obama
- 01:04:00as your president
- 01:04:02forever even if you had bias towards any
- 01:04:05of these
- 01:04:07pitifully fragile human beings even if
- 01:04:10you were so mistaken as to be biased
- 01:04:12towards any of
- 01:04:14them surely you want to give them a a
- 01:04:17time to see exactly where they're going
- 01:04:19before you put them there
- 01:04:21forever our King is to be put on the
- 01:04:24throne forever
- 01:04:26because the judgment is to prove that
- 01:04:29God's system of government
- 01:04:32works that's what the judgment is for
- 01:04:35it's not to jeopardize our Salvation
- 01:04:37that you're trembling in case your name
- 01:04:38is called that's not the
- 01:04:41point the point is God's kingdom is to
- 01:04:44be established forever because the
- 01:04:46judgment will demonstrate how good it
- 01:04:49has been the kind of people it
- 01:04:52produces and I believe the message that
- 01:04:55was hidden in the Book of
- 01:04:56Daniel it was there in plain sight but
- 01:04:59somehow nobody ever got the point I
- 01:05:01never heard it the point is that it's
- 01:05:04the Judgment of the kingdom of
- 01:05:08Christ the point is that the whole issue
- 01:05:10in the controversy is the Judgment of
- 01:05:13our King it's not about us we were taken
- 01:05:16care
- 01:05:17of it's about it's about the
- 01:05:20establishing of the kingdom of our
- 01:05:23father and I think if Christians
- 01:05:25understand this our motives will be
- 01:05:27better our efforts will be more
- 01:05:31energetic our our our joy in our place
- 01:05:34and our purpose will be more satisfying
- 01:05:37and more
- 01:05:39real the kingdom the king's government
- 01:05:42will be judged and man will be perfected
- 01:05:44I use the word perfected advisedly
- 01:05:46because it means different things to
- 01:05:48different people but at the end God will
- 01:05:50have a people who are what he wants us
- 01:05:52to be that's what I mean by perfected
- 01:05:54and that is when the kingdom of the this
- 01:05:56world the kingdoms of this world will
- 01:05:58become the kingdoms of our
- 01:06:00God and of his
- 01:06:03Christ I'm over my time I'm going to
- 01:06:05stop here and I will pick up on the
- 01:06:08third segment in the next section but I
- 01:06:11I really hope that by the grace of our
- 01:06:14father the main points I've been trying
- 01:06:16to make I hope you get it if you get the
- 01:06:19concept I will be happy the details you
- 01:06:23know the Lord will fill in and like I
- 01:06:24said if you go to okay let me give you
- 01:06:26that address that I
- 01:06:28promised the first two sentences the
- 01:06:32first two lines are my YouTube channel
- 01:06:35where I have videos dealing with this
- 01:06:37subject if you look go to the playlist
- 01:06:39and look for the Revelation tab you'll
- 01:06:41find it the second one is also a second
- 01:06:43channel for the openface fellowship we
- 01:06:46also have Revelation studies there and
- 01:06:49in case anybody wants to join us for
- 01:06:52worship at any
- 01:06:54time they the the bottom half gives you
- 01:06:57the information to log into our Sabbath
- 01:07:00meetings we meet at 9:30 at
- 01:07:0410:30 on Sabbath morning and at 3:30 in
- 01:07:07the evening that's at the moment Central
- 01:07:12Time 10:30 on Sabbath morning 3:30 on
- 01:07:17Sabbath
- 01:07:18evenings and um central time so if you
- 01:07:22if you if you would like to join our
- 01:07:24fellowship you're welcome
- 01:07:26now before I sit down let me stop and
- 01:07:29ask what question do you have if any and
- 01:07:33what objection if you have an objection
- 01:07:34I would like to hear too i' be pleased
- 01:07:37to know if you think I've gone overboard
- 01:07:39or misrepresented or Twisted the word a
- 01:07:41little bit so anything
- 01:07:47anybody my dear sister go
- 01:07:53ahead where
- 01:08:05okay so for those who didn't hear she's
- 01:08:06asking where does
- 01:08:081844 the Pioneers Ellen White's Visions
- 01:08:12fit into all of this now I said
- 01:08:14something earlier on that um probably I
- 01:08:18I said I believe that God was working
- 01:08:21with
- 01:08:21the Advent movement from the beginning
- 01:08:25because where did they get the doctrine
- 01:08:27of the pre-advent Judgment from where
- 01:08:30did they get the end time atonement from
- 01:08:32and this was the Genesis of the Advent
- 01:08:35movement that's where it started so I
- 01:08:39really believe that you can't get away
- 01:08:41from the reality that God worked with
- 01:08:44that
- 01:08:45movement however I also stand by what I
- 01:08:48said that I believe that the movement
- 01:08:50Got Hijacked diverted the the the Advent
- 01:08:54movement never got away from
- 01:08:58legalism we talk about 1888 we don't
- 01:09:00have the time to talk about that today
- 01:09:02but they never got away from legalism
- 01:09:03and legalism is destructive it destroys
- 01:09:07every
- 01:09:09Doctrine and I believe that a lot of
- 01:09:12what we have today and what people even
- 01:09:13present as as righteousness by faith is
- 01:09:17a distortion of the truth and I believe
- 01:09:20that because of this I can't support
- 01:09:22what passes today but said the adventism
- 01:09:26and I don't even believe the Pioneers
- 01:09:27got everything right I believe God gave
- 01:09:29them the kernel that they should have
- 01:09:30developed on but I think if you don't
- 01:09:33get away from legalism you can't go
- 01:09:36forward in in
- 01:09:39understanding what God want you to
- 01:09:42understand now I know your question
- 01:09:43requires a very long
- 01:09:46answer and maybe we can talk together
- 01:09:48about it personally up here in the time
- 01:09:51at my disposal I can't say more than I
- 01:09:53just
- 01:09:53said but um
- 01:09:56you know it's a subject for a complete
- 01:09:58presentation so if you would accept that
- 01:10:01answer for the time being I would
- 01:10:02appreciate
- 01:10:05it all right
- 01:10:07so I think we're going to have our
- 01:10:09closing prayer thank you all for being
- 01:10:12so attentive and I hope that by the
- 01:10:13grace of our
- 01:10:15father some of the things that are
- 01:10:17worthwhile will stick in your minds and
- 01:10:19in your hearts let's pray
- 01:10:31our god of love of Grace of Mercy our
- 01:10:36father thank you so much for being with
- 01:10:38us this
- 01:10:39morning and for blessing us as you have
- 01:10:42done through your
- 01:10:46word we know father that we are still
- 01:10:49yet just like children on the seashore
- 01:10:52Gathering Pebbles and there are such
- 01:10:53precious gems still to be on
- 01:10:57earth we thank you Father our hearts are
- 01:11:01lifted up to you and we want to be a
- 01:11:02part of that work that you are doing in
- 01:11:04the world at this
- 01:11:07time we pray that you will continue to
- 01:11:11direct us that our surrender to you may
- 01:11:13be
- 01:11:14absolute that no Shadow may arise in our
- 01:11:17hearts to Mar the beautiful work that
- 01:11:20you want to
- 01:11:21do thank you for blessing us now and for
- 01:11:25continuing to bless us as we continue to
- 01:11:27worship and to Fellowship
- 01:11:29today in Jesus name we pray amen amen
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