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well it's uh it's been a while since
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we've spoken i'm excited to have you
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here today talking about the ie 600 you
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guys latest release
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i have a lot of questions about this but
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i guess uh for all the people that don't
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know you here let's uh give them an
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introduction real quick thanks for
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having me um i'm young cook i'm the
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product manager at uh at the audiophile
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team at sennheiser so actually now it's
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anova
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um and uh we're basically building the
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all the wired high-end headphones that
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you know at last so um we released i-900
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last last year and it was really well
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claimed and
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uh since then we we still learned a bit
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and uh now the i-600 is basically a
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cornerstone of uh really
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a new kind of tuning that we bring
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forward and we are really excited for
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you to try it out man i almost don't
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know where to start this thing cause i
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have so many questions
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but the first thing that really comes to
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mind
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um as i was reading through the press
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release of this and also some emails in
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the past and several times i noticed you
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guys mentioned that this is 3d printed
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um i'm kind of uh i don't know i'm more
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of a hobbyist 3d printer kind of person
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here i've got a lot of the fdm printers
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and i've worked with the resin printers
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before but i've never seen something
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quite like this that i've been told as
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3d printed so i guess my question with
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that is hey how are you guys printing
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something of this resolution and b what
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i guess what choices led to you guys
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thinking all right well we need to 3d
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print this instead of another
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manufacturing method yeah um very good
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questions and i'll start basically from
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the uh from the start and that we as
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sennheiser don't print it but we work
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with a partner that is called herreos
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and tereos is a huge company so many
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times bigger than sennheiser and they
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mostly deal in precious metals and they
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have one
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more
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let's say startup inside the company
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that deals mostly with 3d printing
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amorphous metals
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and that is a very very
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specific thing to do
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right so
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really the the highest performance
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material you can actually use um for
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engineering it's extremely expensive
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and um that is
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and uh going into the 3d printing as a
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process it's not like you um have like a
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kind of um
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let's say event where you push through a
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plastic or something like
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this but it's something called selective
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laser sintering or at least similar to
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that
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and so that you have a kind of powder
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bed and then you have a laser from from
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above and it will laser based you the
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one layer of the product and then
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another layer of the powder that is
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basically put on on top of it and
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another layer is then melted on top of
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it so um in the plastics um
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field it's hugely sintering but here
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it's actually melting so it's not that
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you just stick goblets of metal together
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but you actually melt the material on
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top of it
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off each other and it's really really a
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super high-tech process so um it's
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really amazing that we could work with
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them and
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and that they have such an expertise for
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it because producing amorphous metals
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and i can go
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more detail into that later but um it is
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extremely extremely demanding you need
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really high security metals for that
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very very exotic metals and um
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in total it's uh it's crazy that they
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managed to do it so reliably for a mass
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production process and we are really so
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happy to have them
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that is very cool i've heard of
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processes like that in the past uh
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printers that work on layers of powder
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like that
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um
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so i guess what is it
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what is it about the ie600 that uh
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makes it so it has to be printed instead
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of like other other processes you know
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you guys have used in the past
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um
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honestly it's uh it doesn't have to be
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it's
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it's more that we think about okay what
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would be a really cool
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benefit for our customers it's not not
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um much about the sound in this case
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because the acoustic system within is
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really already completely defined so the
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housing is really mostly for protection
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and for um
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for being really robust and so on and um
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that is one of the biggest
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um user wishes we heard when so we did a
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lot of user research i regularly meet
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all the forums and
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um so we almost always thought yeah we
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wanted to be really robust we wanted to
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to not scratch easily and so on i want
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maybe resale value in a few years
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and um
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we actually started we're um talking
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with videos already four years ago
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and um we had some prototypes of the pro
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and ears actually
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made in their with their processes
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and and that actually sparked the idea
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of the new in your portfolio um but at
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the time we thought okay it's just too
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expensive we can't afford it
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right um as time went on we we heard
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this these user needs all again and
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again and again and uh we work really
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hard together with helios to really make
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it enough mass-produced profession it's
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it's still super super expensive
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right but in the end it's really the
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most robust that you you can use so i
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think we have this user need that that
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it should be really as robust as
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possible and really as visually as uh
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have just so much permanency and
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actually that it feels so premium there
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so that was another
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big username that if people pay a lot of
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money for it in here if they are so
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passionate about it that they honestly
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want to pick it up and they feel already
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the weight behind it and that they know
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okay this is something special and i
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think that is something that is 600 just
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just accidentally so you pick it up and
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know okay this is amazing yeah
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it definitely the second i pick it up i
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realize that this is a premium product
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um because when i first got it in i
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actually didn't know the uh price point
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for it i mean i could kind of guess
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based off of you know well i've done the
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ie300 i've done the i-900s this has to
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be somewhere between them but
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interestingly enough and this is
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something that's been echoed from
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several other people uh in the community
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several other reviewers i know and uh
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you know
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people that you know as well um a lot of
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us actually find this to be even better
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than the ie 900 for our taste so uh i
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mean was that kind of the goal were you
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guys just thinking let's just keep
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advancing you know this form factor we
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got used to or was it just kind of like
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a uh
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a happy thing that it ended up being
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like hey this you know we stumbled upon
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something really good here it was mostly
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uh to find let's say different uh
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preferences really because
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as i do this sound with uh with really
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um aesthetics you have really just
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people liking different things and right
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and for the i 900 um i i mean you tested
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it and you know it's a very analytical
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sound and so on it's a little bit an
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8800 to go
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yeah um and i i think the the design
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also reflects that really really well
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it's this very high precision milling
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and it's really well defined and you
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know okay basically every little milling
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line has been really
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basically programmed to be exactly as it
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is there
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so it's
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a very certain aesthetic that a certain
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people really really love
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and the i-600 not only does something
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different sonically for a different
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performance but it also speaks i think
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on a design level too maybe not
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necessarily a different person but to a
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different mood or different preference
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for what it looks so i think it's a bit
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more organic
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you see it's why it is very very tight
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tolerated so that's really amazing that
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this is possible with 3d printing oh
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yeah it's still that doesn't feel okay
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this is just ultra crazy german
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precision engineering it feels premium
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it feels weighty um but i think it feels
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more organic and i i think that reflects
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the sound also a bit better so it's um
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for us it's really that all has to fit
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together really neatly the the sound it
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has to be expressed also with the design
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and i think for the i 900 and 600 it's
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both
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it's really a great
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just it works just so well together yeah
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i i know that
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for me personally this is something i'm
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really grateful for is the fact that you
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guys did it in a very small form factor
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because there are lots of iems that i
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enjoy in the world but not a lot of iems
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i can comfortably wear for a long
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duration thankfully this is one of them
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that i actually can
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um i was speaking to uh chronicle about
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this iem actually because i figure well
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i said oh well it's not quite out yet
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but i know chronicle has to know this
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thing exists too and of course he did so
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lucky me
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i was speaking to chronicle about it and
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he
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said that this was the best dynamic
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driver iem
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which from him i can only imagine is
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like the highest praise in the world
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because chronicles reviewed everything
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yeah
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so
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that said this thing has to have some
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special tuning
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and we know it's not quite diffuse field
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we know it's not you know leaning
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towards harm or anything else like that
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but there is a bit of an elevation in
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the base
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so i have to ask what
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what led to the tuning of this uh iem i
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know you're trying to hit different
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preferences and things like that
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but there must have been some level of
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like extensive research that you know
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landed you guys on this target
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absolutely yeah uh so great question and
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um
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i guess we can
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go with the base first and that is also
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what i read quite frequently that
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we do a lot of very base heavy iems
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apparently and that's what some forum
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goers say
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and um
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i find it actually really funny because
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when we do
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internal test listening rounds then
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especially for the i-900 some people
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actually said well it's light on the
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base side and i'd say the i-600 and 900
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are comparable in terms of base it's not
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exactly the same but it's it's very
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similar i'd say okay and
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um
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what uh
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there are multiple important aspects to
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that so the first one would be um just
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that
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just from a psychoacoustic standpoint
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the more open the system is that
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the closer you can tune it basically to
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a flat loudspeaker so a loudspeaker
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would usually be completely flat or you
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have like a taste increase of like 2 db
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in the bass or something and
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awesome
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and then you go into very open
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headphones like the hd800 and um
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depending on your preferences you
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probably boosted to like plus 5gb or
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something
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in the base but if you give it plus
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1080p then it would sound way too much
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usually
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most headphones and a close
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plus something like like plus 8 db bass
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doesn't sound bad it sounds right and
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then you get into ears which are the
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most closed form and just
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psychoacoustically it sounds really
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right if if it has a certain bass boost
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and
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in my opinion the biggest difference is
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not really the the level whether it's
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now 10 or
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9 or 11 db of base boost versus the mid
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range but mostly the slope where how you
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get there so if it's
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based heavy like i 300
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then i think it can really quickly sound
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a little bit too
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let's say a little bit congested or
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but whatever you want to say um but also
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warmer
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and on the other hand if you have a very
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steep slope like we achieved with i-600
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i think then it never really interfere
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interferes with the mids and at the same
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time
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you have
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the feeling that is more comparable with
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loudspeaker listening or with natural
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with natural music enjoyment so um the
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problem with ines is you don't have this
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impact of the base
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to feel natural it needs some elevation
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so um
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and that is i for me also the crux with
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these target curves and so on because
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i see that it's a cool thing to orient
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yourself with but in the end every
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acoustic system
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i think that deserves its kind of own
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let's say appreciation in terms of
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how much bass does it need uh how do the
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mids sound natural and so on
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and um so i think that's a bit short for
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actually but
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i can also see that it's um a good thing
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to plink to so i don't want to criticize
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it too much
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that's fair well i mean you're you know
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you're a representative of a company you
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have to play the middle ground and all
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that too
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not to be dogmatic so actually also um
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we can go later or we can also go now
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more into the rest of the tuning into
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the mids but there are a lot of people
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at sennheiser that think that the i300
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or the 900 are
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extremely neutral and i know that a lot
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of people invented would disagree with
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it fairly hard
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and um
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so
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some reasons of it then go into more
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aspects like um how loud you listen so
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i think then a very v-shaped um
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signature can make a lot of sense and if
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you listen really at 90 db a lot which
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is probably not uh recommended then a
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very flat sound signature will probably
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sound more balanced and you can do that
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with digital products of course but with
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analog products to do loudness
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correction is not the easiest thing
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right like that
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and so i also think just based on that
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which is a discussion which is really
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invisible
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i think in the internet which is really
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really crazy to me because it influences
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so much whether you listen at 50 db or
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90 it's it's a different word
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um so that that's a big point of it and
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for example we had a depression always
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around four kilohertz and that happens
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to be where our hearing is the most
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sensitive
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so
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um especially with the loudness
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correction going on so especially if you
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listen quietly then the i300 is
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is i think really really good and um
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really hard to beat in many respects
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so um
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but i'm not a dogmatic person so some
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people said yeah we kind of need to
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push forward or sennheiser tuning or
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something but i feel let's just put out
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the choices people will buy what they
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buy and
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um
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i think it's great that we can kind of
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a lot enough to try to make an impact so
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also that i think that
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like having slightly reduced
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and three or four k may increase the
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perception of space which is always
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missing engineers
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um but in the end we can
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we can build a lot of products we can
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give people the choice and let's just
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see what's uh what's working out and
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let's just
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agree with that that's
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that's the biggest thing of course
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that's a good way to do it i mean if you
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have a lineup people are going to vote
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with their wallets on what they like and
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that works because a lot of people do
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like a lot of different sounds so this
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is starting to make a bit more sense to
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me yeah because at lower listening
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levels yeah a bit more
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uh of a v can sound a lot more neutral
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at higher levels it would be more
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emphasized and where you said you were
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kind of going for more of like the the
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speaker experience on that that does
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make sense um i do like that you guys
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are
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kind of doing what i think a lot of the
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audio community misses which is
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uh mixing you know objectivity and
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subjectivity obviously you know you guys
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are a huge company you can make
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something you know perfectly flat to a
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target if you want to
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but i obviously you know that something
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that's going to be 100 perfectly flat to
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a target isn't exactly what everyone's
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going to love the most and that said
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even then if something was perfectly
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flat to a target you know there's
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uh so much variability in everyone's
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hrtf that you know an average flat to a
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target isn't really going to be flat to
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most people yeah so i i do have an
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appreciation for the fact that you guys
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are kind of combining those two i was
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curious also do you have any comments on
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the uh i know we talked about bass and
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mids do you have anything about the uh
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trouble tuning this because i noticed
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that that does uh also have a bit of a
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unique sound to it yeah it's
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let's say it's a um it's always for our
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audio file is a bit of a
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balance act because on the one hand we
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feel that the brilliance so the the
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response above 10k
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build to an audiophile earphone or
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headphones so we feel something doesn't
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have much going on above 10k then for me
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personally it's not much of an audio
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file headphone
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even if it's well tuned below i feel
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like the brilliance the air the little
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bit of extra that's i think what really
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separates
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the good from the bed if you will and
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the problem is that
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uh if you pull up the the air so to
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speak and you for example have a lighter
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transducer with a lighter coil or
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something
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the the treble that is usually uh
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criticized so six seven eight kilohertz
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also rises with it and so we stand
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basically in the between the
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the door angle and think okay what is
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now the perfect balance between having
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brilliance and having
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having really nice
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nice trouble that on the one hand
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shines and can can be sparkly and can
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and can be exciting
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but but it shouldn't be annoying or
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fatiguing that's
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of course not what you want to achieve
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and even then um there's still some
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preference so i still remembered so we
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worked a whole year on the i-900 to get
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the trouble where it was so that was
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really a huge huge effort and we went to
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something like 50 revisions of the
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resonator chambers to get it just right
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so it was really
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uh in a crazy act
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and um so we really spent so much time
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on working it out and um then i i went
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to a local dealer and i asked him so
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what did your customers say about it and
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he said yeah
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the first customer wanted more trouble
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and i was like
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oh gosh
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but but
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again it's perfect there are some people
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that prefer more trouble and i think in
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the end it's uh it's just perfect um
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the way it is right now
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and the i-600 now is a little bit
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different so if you
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and that's now the
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huge problem with in-ears that treble
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has just so much reliance with people
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it's
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10 different people and get 11 different
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opinions on the treble how it's done
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and um
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so i think the i 600 and 900 treble are
00:17:39
very similar in terms of like quantity
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if you will i'd say the i-900 is
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smoother if you so it's a bit more
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uh
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there is much more precision going on in
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trying to smooth out the resonances
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however the tuning of the ic600 as a
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whole so the mids are more present is
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more forgiving for the treble and
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um it uses fewer resonator chambers so
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it's more of a
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rough job so to speak to to take out the
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resonance but i think in the end they
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are very comparable
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as i said the i-900 is slightly more
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slightly more accurate but again it can
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vary from person to person um they're
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both great products i think in their own
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right yeah for definitely for my own
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personal ears the 600 is definitely the
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it's the match for me
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um so i'm curious about this going
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forward i know there's only so much you
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can talk about about you know the future
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but uh
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what can i take away from this as to
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where you guys are headed in the future
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with your product lines because
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you know traditionally you know like you
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said some people on the forums would say
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this is more of a v-shaped sound and i
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mean if you look at it on a graph it can
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be especially with things like the ie
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300 and whatnot which is you know
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definitely a departure from the things
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we're used to seeing from
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sennheiser like you know the famous
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headphones like the hd 600 650 uh things
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like that kind of with that in mind and
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with these being a bit more of a
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departure from the normal for you guys
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what does that say about kind of like
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the future of where your products are
00:19:06
headed you know do you think this is
00:19:08
gonna be like more of a thing we'll see
00:19:09
more and more often especially like in
00:19:11
the um
00:19:13
bleeding over into the world of like
00:19:14
over your headphones or is this more
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just like a hey let's try it and see
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what people think no it's
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a very good question and um i also
00:19:22
divide it into different categories so
00:19:24
for the in-ears
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in particular this is clearly a
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cornerstone i think within our portfolio
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so this is where we now have a really
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uh
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i think a departure of how we
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used to tune
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and uh
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i also want to say that it seems strange
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to me that people put so much weight on
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to having like a perfectly
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target curve fitting product at extreme
00:19:49
high price level so that they say okay
00:19:50
this headphones cost five thousand euros
00:19:53
now it has to hit the card proof exactly
00:19:55
or it's bad yeah right because you buy
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the very expensive headphone for its
00:19:59
extreme technical capability at least in
00:20:01
my mind and if you're such a fan of
00:20:03
targets you can still equalize to your
00:20:05
heart
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um it feels strange to me and
00:20:09
these targets are usually derived from
00:20:12
just statistical models of of what most
00:20:14
people would prefer so
00:20:16
going forward i
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i'd rather have the most balanced or the
00:20:20
most perfecting products being also very
00:20:22
accessible
00:20:24
because if that is a product that most
00:20:25
people would prefer
00:20:27
that's also the product that most people
00:20:29
could afford so and as you go more into
00:20:32
the niche markets and different
00:20:33
preferences and it makes sense to have
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them on a higher price level so that uh
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people that really have the strong
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preference for it they are more likely
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to spend that a bit much more money for
00:20:43
that so
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just speaking about in india but it's in
00:20:47
general a thing that i find
00:20:49
peculiar about the community
00:20:51
yeah it's i've noticed that too it does
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seem like for some reason everyone does
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think that the more money you spend the
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more it has to be exactly flat to a
00:20:58
target it's like well you can get
00:21:00
something that does that you know it's
00:21:01
relatively affordable so obviously
00:21:03
everyone can do it it's not like this
00:21:05
insane task to make it happen uh but you
00:21:08
know
00:21:09
there are so i guess i shouldn't go out
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and name every brand in the world that
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does that but like there are some really
00:21:13
affordable things that are perfectly
00:21:15
target adherent that a lot of people do
00:21:17
praise um that are you know really good
00:21:20
but
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you don't see them on like the top 10
00:21:23
lists you don't see them like the things
00:21:24
people say are like the best things
00:21:25
they've ever heard in their life
00:21:27
which isn't to say they can't be but
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yeah people go into the high end because
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they want a unique experience they want
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something that you know has that
00:21:34
technical performance
00:21:36
and they want something that's not going
00:21:38
to sound like the rest so yeah yeah i
00:21:40
definitely have an appreciation for that
00:21:42
sorry i kind of cut you off there on
00:21:43
that tangent
00:21:44
no no um
00:21:46
going forward also with a headband
00:21:47
product i also see that
00:21:49
we have a very good heritage that we can
00:21:52
be very happy and that i'm every day
00:21:54
really amazed by that
00:21:57
the 600 series in particular that this
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has been built like now
00:22:02
pretty much exactly 30 years ago it has
00:22:04
been developed and
00:22:06
really in the really in the baby steps
00:22:08
of computer simulation that these are
00:22:10
really the first time they could use a
00:22:11
computer to kind of simulate home
00:22:13
transducer
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and so on and they had to
00:22:16
wait for weeks to get a simulation of
00:22:18
the transducer
00:22:20
done so it's really incredible that they
00:22:22
managed to completely nail it so i'm in
00:22:25
really in huge awe of that
00:22:27
and uh still of course
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um
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and i have just huge pro
00:22:32
uh
00:22:33
yeah respect for that um but still i
00:22:36
feel that of course music tastes that
00:22:38
has shifted a little bit over the
00:22:39
last 30 years and um
00:22:43
um i i think that
00:22:45
bass in particular is probably not the
00:22:47
strongest point in all of our over your
00:22:49
products yeah
00:22:51
so we are certainly working on it okay
00:22:54
yeah very cool i mean i i'm one of those
00:22:56
people that i hope the ht650 has made
00:22:58
forever um i specifically have two pairs
00:23:02
here that way if something ever happens
00:23:04
to one i always have a backup
00:23:06
um
00:23:07
but i do add a little bit of bass to it
00:23:09
every time i use it i have like a
00:23:11
desktop equalizer i just just a little
00:23:13
bit of sub bass just because
00:23:14
it's like you were saying with open back
00:23:16
headphones they do kind of need a little
00:23:17
bit and yeah that headphone was made a
00:23:20
pretty considerable amount of time ago
00:23:22
um and sometimes i do the same with the
00:23:24
you know the hd 800s which i have here
00:23:26
uh so i'll be curious to see what you
00:23:28
guys whip up there because if you know
00:23:30
if by god you guys come up with an hd
00:23:32
650 that has just like a little bit of
00:23:35
an extra sub-bass shelf on it i'm pretty
00:23:37
sure that that'll be the end of audio
00:23:40
for
00:23:40
a lot of people yeah so um at the same
00:23:43
time i want to say that i have really
00:23:45
huge respect for the hd650 so i know
00:23:47
that people love it so much and so i'm
00:23:50
let's say a bit afraid of touching them
00:23:52
so um
00:23:53
going forward i i rather use the newer
00:23:55
models so to speak as
00:23:57
as a prototype um
00:23:59
products to test the way forward and if
00:24:02
people like it then we can look into
00:24:04
implementing it into the classic so to
00:24:06
speak but yeah let's uh let's see um but
00:24:09
i i just don't want to rush things and
00:24:11
with these regards that's definitely the
00:24:13
safe way to go with it i think if like
00:24:15
uh if tomorrow the ht650 suddenly was
00:24:18
something completely different even if
00:24:20
it was better i think people would
00:24:21
probably riot for a few days
00:24:24
exactly i i'd have to feel for my life
00:24:26
yeah just go into hiding for a little
00:24:28
while don't worry about it it'll all
00:24:29
blow over so since i did that one
00:24:32
interview a while back where um i spoke
00:24:35
to sennheiser about the uh whole
00:24:37
acquisition with sunova a lot of people
00:24:39
were
00:24:40
a bit worried uh you know well what's
00:24:42
going to happen does this mean the end
00:24:44
of the line for audiophile products
00:24:45
things like that um
00:24:48
i definitely think that this is
00:24:49
reassuring in the sense that you know we
00:24:51
see you guys are still doing things
00:24:53
that cater to audio files and it seems
00:24:55
like that's still a pretty high priority
00:24:57
but how do you feel about it i mean
00:24:59
because it's it's been a while since
00:25:00
then uh so you know i'm sure that
00:25:03
you know sennheiser and sonova
00:25:05
everything's kind of starting to come
00:25:06
together things are starting to fall
00:25:07
into place uh so what does the outlook
00:25:09
still look like is it about the same as
00:25:10
it was before
00:25:12
yeah so absolutely so um now the
00:25:15
acquisition is final so basically we are
00:25:17
now part of the nova and the consumer
00:25:20
part and and all you follow with it and
00:25:23
uh it's really amazing to see because
00:25:25
the colleagues from synova and
00:25:26
especially the management are really
00:25:28
huge huge fans of audiophile so they
00:25:30
really have passion for it and they um
00:25:33
just see the the value this brings
00:25:36
to the to the company so it's it's not
00:25:39
just about name or
00:25:41
or it's not just about heritage even
00:25:43
though it's an important part of course
00:25:45
but really that this is just such an er
00:25:48
exciting business to be in so it's
00:25:49
really really just attractive and um for
00:25:52
them a huge huge uh playing field in the
00:25:54
future so um i'm super super happy
00:25:57
really um and i'm really looking forward
00:25:59
to where we will go
00:26:01
but uh yeah i can just reassure you that
00:26:04
um the development of all your
00:26:05
headphones will go on as as before and
00:26:07
we'll work really really hard to make
00:26:08
all of you happy and on the same side we
00:26:11
have the audio file factory in in
00:26:12
ireland so where all audience users are
00:26:14
built where our high-end headphones are
00:26:16
assembled and this crew also is just for
00:26:19
me the heart and soul of sennheiser
00:26:21
because we can think up nice headphones
00:26:24
but if nobody is there to build them
00:26:25
then um it's it's more of a pipe dream
00:26:28
so all right so
00:26:30
a dream team so to speak and i just
00:26:32
really look forward to the next years
00:26:34
fantastic and you know actually i don't
00:26:36
know if i'm uh spoiling anything here
00:26:37
but i did i was speaking with paul about
00:26:40
potentially going out and checking out
00:26:42
that facility and doing some videos out
00:26:44
there so maybe that will happen if you
00:26:46
want to see that make sure you get
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00:26:49
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00:26:50
part you probably won't want to miss
00:26:53
that
00:26:55
but you know i guess that aside that
00:26:57
really wraps up all the questions i have
00:27:00
so the red carpets open if you want to
00:27:02
say anything to uh the audiophile
00:27:04
community you know here's your shot yeah
00:27:07
just
00:27:07
keep being passionate about it and and
00:27:09
keep listening that's the biggest part
00:27:11
of it so
00:27:12
not just looking at graphs even though
00:27:14
it's really important um to understand
00:27:16
what you're listening but really be open
00:27:19
and just give everything a shot and and
00:27:21
see what you like i think that's just a
00:27:23
really essential part of it really
00:27:24
listening trying to understand what you
00:27:26
hear but really really be open about it
00:27:28
and see what you like and what you don't
00:27:30
like it's really about your personal
00:27:33
it's not about
00:27:35
some scientific work even though that's
00:27:37
maybe behind it so yeah just just
00:27:39
keeping awesome
00:27:41
fantastic thank you for joining us today
00:27:44
i hope that we have you back on the
00:27:45
channel sometime soon i'm sure everyone
00:27:47
else will enjoy that as well
00:27:49
and uh yeah it looks like 2022 is
00:27:52
shaping up to be a pretty good year
00:27:55
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