FACE Interview MAY 27th 2025. Michael is looking for continued Steepening of The Yield Curve.

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Zusammenfassung

TLDRIn a recent discussion, Michael Berman shares insights on trading biases, the challenges of becoming a full-time trader, and the importance of maintaining realistic expectations. He highlights the survivorship bias in trading success stories, emphasizing that many traders only report their wins. Berman discusses market trends, particularly his bearish outlook on the S&P 500 and rising bond yields. He also explores the potential impact of AI on productivity and deflation, while addressing geopolitical risks that could affect market stability. Berman encourages traders to focus on consistent results rather than chasing unrealistic profits, and he offers advice for new traders to keep their expectations grounded. He concludes by inviting listeners to connect with him through his website and social media.

Mitbringsel

  • 🎉 Happy birthday to Michael Berman!
  • 📈 Trading success often involves hard work and overcoming adversity.
  • 🔍 Survivorship bias can distort perceptions of trading success.
  • 📉 Expect the S&P 500 to potentially have a negative year in 2025.
  • 💰 Berman is bearish on bonds and anticipates rising yields.
  • 🤖 AI may enhance productivity but could also lead to unemployment.
  • ⚠️ Geopolitical tensions pose risks to market stability.
  • 📊 Keep expectations realistic to avoid trading pitfalls.
  • 💡 Focus on grinding out consistent results in trading.
  • 🌐 Connect with Michael through his website for more insights.

Zeitleiste

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Michael Berman joins the discussion, reflecting on a previous conversation and expressing gratitude for the invitation. He mentions his existing exposure to the Australian dollar but refrains from sharing a specific view on it. The conversation shifts to a presentation about trading biases and the challenges of becoming a full-time trader, emphasizing that success in trading requires hard work and resilience.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Berman discusses biases in trading, particularly self-reporting bias, where traders only share their successes. He introduces a daily global macro newsletter and explains how traders often fall into the trap of curve fitting their strategies based on past performance, which can lead to misleading conclusions about their effectiveness.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    He presents a classic trading strategy using a 200-day moving average and shares the results of backtesting it across various global stock indexes. The findings reveal a low annual return, highlighting the importance of avoiding hindsight bias when selecting trading strategies based on past performance.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Berman shares insights from his research platform, emphasizing the importance of understanding market behavior through z-scores and current drawdowns. He prefers a clean, minimalist approach to chart analysis and expresses a bearish outlook on bonds, expecting yields to rise due to significant refinancing needs in the US.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    The discussion touches on the potential for a steepening yield curve and the implications of Japan's high debt-to-GDP ratio. Berman warns that economic history suggests high debt levels can lead to negative outcomes, and he discusses the relationship between junk bonds and equities, noting the unsustainable nature of current spread premiums.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:32

    Finally, Berman addresses the impact of AI on productivity and potential deflation, while also highlighting geopolitical risks that could affect market stability. He advises traders to keep expectations realistic and focus on long-term capital preservation rather than short-term gains, concluding with a reminder to appreciate the journey in trading.

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Video-Fragen und Antworten

  • What is the main theme of Michael Berman's discussion?

    The main theme is the importance of understanding trading biases, realistic expectations, and the challenges of becoming a successful trader.

  • What biases does Berman mention in trading?

    Berman mentions survivorship bias and self-reporting bias, where traders only share their successes.

  • What is Berman's view on the S&P 500's future?

    Berman expects the S&P 500 to potentially produce a negative year in 2025.

  • How does Berman view the current bond market?

    Berman is bearish on bonds and expects yields to rise.

  • What does Berman say about AI and productivity?

    He believes AI could enhance productivity but may also lead to unemployment and potential deflation.

  • What advice does Berman give to new traders?

    He advises keeping expectations realistic and focusing on grinding out consistent results.

  • How can people keep in touch with Michael Berman?

    People can visit his website signal to noise.news or reach out on Twitter.

  • What does Berman think about geopolitical risks?

    He believes geopolitical tensions could escalate and impact market stability.

  • What is the significance of the April lows in the market?

    The April lows are seen as critical levels that need to hold for market stability.

  • What is Berman's perspective on junk bonds?

    He views junk bonds as trading similarly to equities and believes their current low spread premiums are unsustainable.

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Automatisches Blättern:
  • 00:00:13
    So, we have uh Michael Berman with us.
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    And Michael, uh I apologize. I I forgot
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    that we've already talked once before.
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    Uh, and you you're recommended uh Peter
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    Brandt uh gives you a thumbs up uh as
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    one of the few guys that he would refer
  • 00:00:31
    people to uh in the market. So, how have
  • 00:00:34
    you been? It's been a while. Yeah, it's
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    been about I think it's been about six,
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    seven months since we spoke last. And
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    firstly, happy birthday. Oh, thank you.
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    And and secondly, thank you for the the
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    invite because you may recall I actually
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    missed there was an interim uh where I
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    was to present and for some reason I
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    think um times got got the better of us.
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    But anyway, it was actually very nice to
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    hear so much Aussie talk there. You
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    talking about the Aussie dollar. Um do
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    you have a view on it?
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    Um not really. Um okay. It it it's
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    um Yeah, I'm going I'm going to I'm
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    going to reserve. I've got dollar Aussie
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    dollar exposure already. So I I All
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    right. All right. Well, write down 6250.
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    I'm think look at thinking 62 would be a
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    good entry if we pulled back there. Uh
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    so what's on the docket for today?
  • 00:01:33
    Michael, what do you want to talk about?
  • 00:01:36
    So I was just thinking, do you mind if I
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    share my screen? Not at all. Go ahead.
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    And then I thought a couple of things
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    like popped into mind. Okay. Um just
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    give me a second to get organized
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    here.
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    Okay. I think you you probably should
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    see a screen where it says signal to
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    noise global macro and newsletter. Is
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    that right? We've got it. You got it.
  • 00:02:02
    Okay. So, two things that came to mind
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    were um around biases that I I thought,
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    wow, m maybe I should just um tell you a
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    little bit about two biases that came to
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    mind and just let me know as well. Can
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    you see a PowerPoint presentation that
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    I've just pulled up? Yeah, got it. Going
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    pro, the brutal truth about becoming a
  • 00:02:27
    full-time trader. Does it have does it
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    have anything to do with uh this that uh
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    people to try and sell you the secret to
  • 00:02:38
    trading? Uh there is no secret. It's
  • 00:02:41
    hard work and living through adversity
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    and if that scares you, find something
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    else to do.
  • 00:02:48
    Absolutely. So, while you guys were
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    talking um because I I I'll have to
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    admit I don't trade um like intraday at
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    the moment like like I did in the past
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    and but I thought of this I gave this
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    talk two weeks ago and I thought there
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    was one or two slides that might be
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    interesting for some of you guys here.
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    So the the one I wanted to actually talk
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    about
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    was we live in this
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    hyper this hyped up media world where we
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    see the stars. The stars get a lot of
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    air time and and things like that. And I
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    just wanted to just show you you your
  • 00:03:27
    audience um how we tend to extrapolate
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    from what we see. So just to give you an
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    idea, the average NBA salary is $10
  • 00:03:37
    million per year. Approximately 500
  • 00:03:40
    players make it into the NBA. 610
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    million people play basketball globally.
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    So the odds are are negligible. But you
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    know, of course, we see it on TV and you
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    think if you're half decent as a
  • 00:03:53
    basketball player, you're going to make
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    the big leagues. And it kind of goes
  • 00:03:57
    onto tennis and
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    and I I also show it here as in um the
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    you know the the traders the top 100
  • 00:04:09
    hedge fund managers earned an average of
  • 00:04:11
    1.2 two billion and then we see movies
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    about billions and Wolf of Wall Street
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    and and one tends to think that it's
  • 00:04:21
    easier to achieve this kind of success
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    than than it really is. So I I just want
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    people to to not fall for the you know
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    for the the heavy selling the where they
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    over glamorize and but you know do you
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    you follow what I'm saying here that
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    um we only seen the people who are
  • 00:04:43
    successful and we tend to extrapolate
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    that out to thinking a lot more people
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    are successful. Now I'm by no means
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    telling that's because people people
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    only talk about their successes not
  • 00:04:54
    their failures. Exactly. Exactly. So I
  • 00:04:58
    mean so there's a survivorship bias.
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    There's a self-reporting bias as you say
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    self-report reporting bias would be
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    where you only talk about your winners.
  • 00:05:08
    Um, no one no one reports about or puts
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    on a leaderboard or on on Twitter or
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    whatever public forum you're on about
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    your losers. Well, they tend not to.
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    They, you know, you there's that
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    inherent bias. But anyway, I I write a
  • 00:05:25
    daily global macro newsletter. It's
  • 00:05:27
    free, so anyone can is welcome to to to
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    subscribe. But I wrote today about a
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    bias that came to mind and I thought it
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    would be actually quite apt for your for
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    your audience. So um I wanted to show
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    you how easy it is to avoid curve
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    fitting a trading strategy back test but
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    still curve fitted. So let me let me
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    just walk you all walk you through this.
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    It won't be very technical but uh I'm
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    sure you guys will follow follow the
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    idea. So, let's just take a a classic
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    200 day moving average. And if if the
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    price is above the 200 day moving
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    average, you go long. If it's below, you
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    go short. And we won't go into the
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    details of of of how you exit and all
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    that, but basically, that's the
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    strategy. And I ran it on 12 global
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    stock indexes going back to 1990. And
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    um sorry, this is right here. And
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    oopsie this this is this is the equity
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    curve that came out. So it's it's a long
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    this is a long track record. This is 35
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    years of back testing. And while it's
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    positive it's it's pretty dismal. I mean
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    there's it's
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    1.2% annual return. So nothing too
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    fancy. But this is something that I
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    noticed so many people. Now, I don't
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    know how many people in your audience
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    are are, let's say, um, systematic
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    traders, but let's assume there's a fair
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    amount. Um, what people tend to do is
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    they will go through the list. Here's
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    the 12 and they see all the different
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    results. So, you can see S&P 500, the
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    NASDAQ, those were those were winners.
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    The DAX was a winner and so was the this
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    was the Swiss index. Okay?
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    and the natural inclin what what people
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    tend to do is that they say okay well
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    I'm going to trade these four the green
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    ones those are the ones that I'm going
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    to um trade what you do there is you are
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    you are applying a bias it's a hindsight
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    bias and that's not the way to go about
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    a systematic back testing strategy so
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    yeah here you see Uh yeah, you you
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    fooling yourself. And I see it over and
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    over again. People tend to do spend
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    their whole day back testing and then
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    they look for the ones that produce good
  • 00:07:58
    results and they say, "Okay, that's my
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    strategy." Now, um you need a more
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    robust approach to that than than just
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    that. That I'm not going to go into the
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    whole ins and outs of that because that
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    that's a big subject and I guess could
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    could take a bit of time. But I thought
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    what I could also I'd like to show you
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    uh I've
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    got it's um called research.signal to
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    noise.news news and basically it's also
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    free this
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    and everything that I'm thinking and and
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    researching and doing I put on this um
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    I'm in the process of migrating a lot of
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    stuff a lot of my research that that um
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    I've built ma mainly quantitative and I
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    I put it on here I'll just walk you
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    through a few of these slides um but
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    basically you you've got over here
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    different watch lists
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    and they colorcoded based on a zed
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    score.
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    Basically, if they are behaving abnormal
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    to the way they've typically behaved in
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    the past, it's a nice huristic way of of
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    bringing your attention to something
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    that is is moving a lot relative to its
  • 00:09:14
    past. So, for instance, like Bitcoin
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    might move 2% every day. So, it's like
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    here one here it is 1%. So it's it's not
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    even colored
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    because it's of um it's it's well within
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    a normal move. Whereas if you've got
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    something I don't know like a forex
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    item, Forex would
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    0.41 is is enough to trigger a um a
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    color because of of that zed score. So
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    there's a whole bunch of stuff here I'm
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    not going to go into. You can play
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    around. you can look at different things
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    here um and kind of does some of the
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    homework for you. Um current draw down
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    uh of gold is
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    2.57%. Um but just to talk about some of
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    the the charts you guys were talking
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    about earlier. So I I like to I like to
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    look at things very differently maybe to
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    some of you guys where you like lots of
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    um lines and colors. I like everything
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    clean and neat and nothing on them like
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    bare bones and naked. Naked. You said
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    it. All right. All right. Love it.
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    Naked. Keep your uh keep your shades
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    drawn. I'll
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    Okay. So So I mean this is a long chart.
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    I I tend to look at long charts. Um, I
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    mean, you
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    could I do have one year and five year,
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    but but I typically That was a hell of a
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    hell of a parabola right there. Yes. So,
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    it's exactly right. And so, we've had an
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    incredible run. I I'm I've been saying
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    for some time now that I I expect 2025,
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    the S&P to to produce a negative year.
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    Um, I' I'd love it to be very negative,
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    but and you know, obviously with this
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    recent sell off uh from Liberation Day,
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    I thought we were on our way, but who
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    knows? We could we could still make one
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    more high. Um, in uh, you know, I'll
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    just talk a couple of themes here. I'm
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    I'm very bearish bonds, so I'm expecting
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    yields to go higher. this is a 10-year
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    yield and um for a whole host of
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    reasons. Blake touched on that earlier
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    talking about the debt in the US
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    and how much how many bonds are needed
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    to be refinanced um over the next 18
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    months is pretty significant. But um I I
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    I also thought I'd share some of I'll
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    just show you a couple of screens here
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    that that might be of interest to some
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    of you people who don't want to
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    necessarily or you don't know where to
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    find a yield curve. So for instance, you
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    got the US yield curve. By the way, uh
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    this everything updates daily. So it's
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    it's not intraday. It's but I I've
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    automated it that it it updates daily.
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    So you can you can see different UK
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    yield curve, Japan, China, a few things
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    like that. One of the trades that I've
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    been pushing for some time and I've been
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    on the right side of this one is is a
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    yielding.
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    So I I've I've been very from way back
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    in in the inverse part I've been calling
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    for a a steepening trade. I was at
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    around over here. I was unsure if we
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    were still, you know, we might have
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    still stuck around. I wasn't sure
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    exactly where we were going. Um, but I I
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    was very convinced that we were going to
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    steepen. So, you know, that's that's
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    proved right. And and if you if you go
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    even further out, it's even steeper if
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    you look at the 30-year over the two
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    years. So, the these this is one
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    particular trade that I've I've been
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    very interested in. Um would you call
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    this move would you call this move uh
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    almost uh embryionic just starting first
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    inning second inning? Yeah. So I we we
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    sitting currently at 54 basis points up
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    here. I I see us probably there's
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    there's scope to go I I would say 100
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    basis points. So we could go uh
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    somewhere up here. I mean we could go
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    all the way up there. I I I wouldn't be
  • 00:13:37
    so bold right now to say we're going all
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    the way up there, but but yeah, we we
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    I'd say we we are around halfway of
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    where where I would expect um where I'd
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    expect things to go. The one
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    thing we've been hearing a lot of noise
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    about Japanese bonds the 10 yield yeah
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    can't really see it that that closely
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    but we had yields that we haven't you
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    know this was prior to the JFC the GFC
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    so um you know I think and and one must
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    remember that the Japanese debt to GDP
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    ratio is double what it's more than
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    double what the US is so a higher
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    um yield on their bonds is going to be
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    pretty devastating to the economy. Um is
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    that uh the canary in the coal mine for
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    a bare market what's happening in Japan?
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    I think I think yeah I think I think
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    what's happening is you know we've all
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    heard about kicking the can further down
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    the road. Yeah. There there is a limit
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    to how far you can kick this can. And
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    you know if you're a student of economic
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    history there was a great
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    book here somewhere th this time is
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    different or or this time's not
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    different I can't remember the way it's
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    worded again but but basically saying
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    that if you look at hundreds of years of
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    economic history when you've got a GDP
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    ratio above a 100 debt to GDP ratio over
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    100% it's normally spelt the end so you
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    know it doesn't mean it's going to roll
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    over tomorrow or or a year from now. But
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    it's it's and we've passed that and
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    Japan's passed 200%. So the these these
  • 00:15:22
    are the chickens coming home to roost.
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    So I think one's got to be aware of
  • 00:15:26
    that. What what can you can you tell me
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    why junk bonds
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    um have recovered so much better uh
  • 00:15:36
    HYG even the corporates than the
  • 00:15:38
    treasuries?
  • 00:15:40
    Yeah. So to me, junk is is another
  • 00:15:45
    equity. The way the way the junk trades
  • 00:15:48
    is and just like we got this big bounce
  • 00:15:52
    um in
  • 00:15:54
    equities, we've seen it, we've seen it
  • 00:15:56
    with junk, but but my if I if I actually
  • 00:15:59
    go back here, if we look at corporate
  • 00:16:04
    um it's almost like the fake equality
  • 00:16:07
    has shifted from sovereigns to Yeah.
  • 00:16:10
    John. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's ridiculous.
  • 00:16:13
    It
  • 00:16:14
    it's, you know, once again, very hard to
  • 00:16:17
    time these these things, but if you're a
  • 00:16:20
    value player or if you just think a
  • 00:16:23
    little bit longer term, it's
  • 00:16:24
    unsustainable where you got such
  • 00:16:27
    tiny spread premiums and you just need a
  • 00:16:31
    few bankruptcies and and these things
  • 00:16:34
    are going to kind of take off. In fact,
  • 00:16:37
    I just wanted to show you this. we see
  • 00:16:39
    we've seen some big movement in term so
  • 00:16:43
    the triple C the rail junk is is
  • 00:16:46
    actually trading
  • 00:16:48
    um at a significant premium to the other
  • 00:16:52
    let's say less quality corporate debt
  • 00:16:54
    but but it's still if you look at it
  • 00:16:56
    overall um
  • 00:16:58
    the it's it's still way too low so this
  • 00:17:02
    if you look at this chart I've inverted
  • 00:17:04
    the the spreads the the the corporate
  • 00:17:07
    spreads are It's a blue line. It's
  • 00:17:10
    inverted. We we were very
  • 00:17:13
    um close to alltime well not alltime
  • 00:17:16
    lows but very in a very very low spread
  • 00:17:19
    environment. But you can see there's a
  • 00:17:21
    very strong correlation with the S&P
  • 00:17:23
    500. So um yeah if if S&P if either one
  • 00:17:29
    of these roll over the other one will
  • 00:17:31
    follow is likely to follow suit. Um I
  • 00:17:35
    wanted to everything's about the April
  • 00:17:38
    lows holding isn't it?
  • 00:17:40
    The whole ball game is that the lows we
  • 00:17:44
    had in April in a lot of things.
  • 00:17:47
    Absolutely. So um I wanted to show you
  • 00:17:51
    over here um some random charts I wanted
  • 00:17:54
    to show you. So here here's a couple of
  • 00:17:57
    things that you know that I I swear by.
  • 00:18:01
    Um the 2-year is a better Fed chairman
  • 00:18:05
    than Jerome Pal, Bernanki,
  • 00:18:09
    Greenspan. Basically, the the Fed funds
  • 00:18:12
    rate follows the 2-year. So, you can you
  • 00:18:16
    can see how strong this correlation is.
  • 00:18:18
    And um I've got it here that the Fed's
  • 00:18:22
    slightly behind the curve in terms of
  • 00:18:24
    where the bond market is, the 2-year
  • 00:18:26
    bond market. doesn't mean I I think that
  • 00:18:29
    the Fed should be cutting any further.
  • 00:18:31
    It it just imply this is what it implies
  • 00:18:34
    that the Fed is likely to cut further. I
  • 00:18:36
    mean, if I I would think they should do
  • 00:18:39
    the opposite because I have a view on
  • 00:18:41
    inflation that is um I I believe tariffs
  • 00:18:46
    and um the current inflation is is not
  • 00:18:51
    going away. It's probably going to get
  • 00:18:52
    worse. And I've got this analog that um
  • 00:18:55
    I thought was I'm not normally I'm not
  • 00:18:59
    normally the guy who who is into these
  • 00:19:02
    analoges. But this is to me this is the
  • 00:19:05
    way I'm seeing it. So the the green line
  • 00:19:08
    is back from 1966 to 1982 where we saw
  • 00:19:12
    that massive inflation and you you can
  • 00:19:15
    see like there was there was a there was
  • 00:19:17
    a peak another peak and then the big
  • 00:19:20
    peak and I I suspect we are over here
  • 00:19:24
    and we've got another big peak to come
  • 00:19:27
    and I mean that would be pretty
  • 00:19:28
    devastating. We can all feel the cost of
  • 00:19:31
    living pinch at the moment. So, um, if
  • 00:19:34
    this holds up, that'll be a pretty
  • 00:19:36
    devastating. What What gets us to the
  • 00:19:39
    peak? It's got to be uh uh uh either
  • 00:19:42
    Paul uh giving up uh focusing on
  • 00:19:46
    economic weakness rather than
  • 00:19:48
    employment.
  • 00:19:50
    I mean, rather than inflation.
  • 00:19:53
    Yeah. So, I I think the printing press
  • 00:19:56
    is going to come out in full swing um to
  • 00:19:59
    to mop up any of the debt that's the new
  • 00:20:04
    debt that's rolling over and going to be
  • 00:20:06
    issued. We'll see quantitative easing
  • 00:20:08
    again. Um which is going to be
  • 00:20:10
    inflationary. We've got these trade wars
  • 00:20:13
    that are going on. Um the fact that the
  • 00:20:16
    market initially rallied because of a
  • 00:20:19
    delayed because of Europe delaying sorry
  • 00:20:23
    that Trump delayed. Yeah.
  • 00:20:26
    We still got to I I don't think that's
  • 00:20:29
    going away. There will be a deal and and
  • 00:20:32
    there will be inflation from that from
  • 00:20:34
    that high tariff. Yeah. Do you believe
  • 00:20:37
    there were there were problems uh with
  • 00:20:40
    uh the economy and market structure
  • 00:20:44
    prior to tariffs and that if we even if
  • 00:20:49
    tariff deals even if trade deals are
  • 00:20:51
    done it doesn't uh address the problems
  • 00:20:56
    we had prior and what do you think those
  • 00:20:59
    what do you think those problems were
  • 00:21:00
    prior?
  • 00:21:02
    So look, I I I'm I'm very anti the
  • 00:21:05
    tariffs for the simple reason. Um it was
  • 00:21:09
    it was working. Yes, there were trade
  • 00:21:11
    there was some trade imbalances, but at
  • 00:21:13
    the end of the day, there was a there's
  • 00:21:15
    an economy, let's say, in China that's
  • 00:21:18
    able to produce stuff a lot cheaper than
  • 00:21:20
    the US is able to do it. And the US was
  • 00:21:24
    a beneficiary and so is China. and um
  • 00:21:28
    and to suddenly overnight expect all
  • 00:21:32
    that um
  • 00:21:35
    expertise to be able to be done in the
  • 00:21:38
    US is is it's impossible to to to
  • 00:21:42
    replicate overnight what China has been
  • 00:21:46
    I saw Yeah. I saw to make an Apple
  • 00:21:48
    phone, which isn't even possible here in
  • 00:21:50
    the US. Yeah. That if they were able to
  • 00:21:53
    do it, the phone would cost almost four
  • 00:21:55
    grand. Yeah, I saw that. I
  • 00:21:58
    mean, crazy. Crazy. So funny. My
  • 00:22:01
    brother-in-law called me and when he saw
  • 00:22:04
    my about six, seven months ago, I put
  • 00:22:07
    out a trade I Okay, so this was my trade
  • 00:22:10
    idea was to go long China short the US.
  • 00:22:14
    This is about six months ago. Oh, that
  • 00:22:16
    was huge. Yeah, it was. It was. So, if
  • 00:22:20
    you look at this black line here, the
  • 00:22:21
    ratio, it was it was around here, but I
  • 00:22:24
    was too nervous to put the trade on by
  • 00:22:26
    going long Shanghai. So, I went long the
  • 00:22:29
    Hang Singh. And so, I put it out here.
  • 00:22:34
    My brother-in-law said, "You're crazy."
  • 00:22:36
    Like, and he gave me a whole list of
  • 00:22:38
    good reasons why China's got problems.
  • 00:22:41
    But, and I don't disagree. China's got
  • 00:22:44
    massive problems. But I felt the gap had
  • 00:22:46
    widened too far in terms of where the US
  • 00:22:49
    had gone relative to China. And China
  • 00:22:51
    plays the long game and is able to, you
  • 00:22:56
    know, juice the economy and do things
  • 00:22:59
    that a a democratic country is unable to
  • 00:23:02
    do in the short term. So that that was
  • 00:23:05
    my view. And then I I had a stop loss
  • 00:23:07
    over here and I thought, "Oh my gosh,
  • 00:23:09
    we're going to get tested. I'm going to
  • 00:23:10
    get stopped out." And it's it's actually
  • 00:23:14
    the trade's gone my way almost. It's
  • 00:23:17
    been a great trade. Yeah. So, and and
  • 00:23:19
    and I'm holding it because I'm not I'm
  • 00:23:22
    not I don't think we there yet. Um there
  • 00:23:26
    was I wanted to share I I do have a
  • 00:23:29
    question from uh one of our community
  • 00:23:32
    members
  • 00:23:33
    RJP. Um he's thinking ahead. What are
  • 00:23:36
    the chances that AI increases
  • 00:23:39
    productivity and causes
  • 00:23:43
    deflation? Is that too far ahead? No.
  • 00:23:46
    Great question.
  • 00:23:48
    Um,
  • 00:23:51
    so the the
  • 00:23:55
    to support the the market where we are
  • 00:23:58
    right now, where where are we here? In
  • 00:24:02
    fact, here's a maybe a good a great
  • 00:24:03
    segue into this particular chart. So in
  • 00:24:06
    terms of economics, what what needs to
  • 00:24:09
    happen is productivity needs to in
  • 00:24:14
    increase um to enable more economic
  • 00:24:18
    growth and there's no question that AI
  • 00:24:21
    is a huge productivity enhancer. It's
  • 00:24:26
    also the the the flip side of that is
  • 00:24:29
    that it's going to probably lead to a
  • 00:24:32
    lot of unemployment, right? and and and
  • 00:24:37
    so obviously with unemployment there
  • 00:24:40
    will be less demand and and there's a
  • 00:24:43
    good chance that we'll get some
  • 00:24:45
    deflation. So So yeah, short answer is I
  • 00:24:50
    think deflation's definitely potential.
  • 00:24:53
    We're not there yet
  • 00:24:55
    and and there's still too many um other
  • 00:24:59
    factors. So that's about a few years out
  • 00:25:02
    before we really start thinking about
  • 00:25:04
    it. It's really interesting and and
  • 00:25:07
    without going too far down this
  • 00:25:09
    particular tangent, you know, Kanes
  • 00:25:11
    spoke in in the 40s about he saw a world
  • 00:25:17
    where we would only work I think 20
  • 00:25:20
    hours a week maximum. No, was it less
  • 00:25:22
    than that? I'm trying to um maybe even
  • 00:25:25
    less about 15 hours a week. and because
  • 00:25:29
    of the productivity that things would
  • 00:25:30
    enhance and the cost the standard of
  • 00:25:32
    living would grow so well was that we'd
  • 00:25:35
    have so much more leisure time. The
  • 00:25:37
    opposite has happened. I I think we all
  • 00:25:39
    work a lot a lot more. Um so I'm I'm not
  • 00:25:44
    sure what you know it's a deep question
  • 00:25:46
    that what happens with unemployment or
  • 00:25:50
    we able to does is there so much
  • 00:25:52
    productivity that Yeah. All right. Let
  • 00:25:54
    me get a little more short term. Let me
  • 00:25:57
    get a little more short term and we'll
  • 00:25:58
    wrap it. anything any georisk uh keep
  • 00:26:02
    you up at night as uh you know kind of a
  • 00:26:05
    exogenous event that could throw your
  • 00:26:07
    trades into uh you know
  • 00:26:12
    big I I would say that we we've never
  • 00:26:16
    been this I mean
  • 00:26:19
    geopolitically I mean the tensions are
  • 00:26:22
    there are a number of major wars taking
  • 00:26:25
    place as we speak and I'm talking
  • 00:26:27
    physical wars and then you got the big
  • 00:26:29
    trade wars and um when two superpowers
  • 00:26:34
    like China and the US are facing off
  • 00:26:36
    like they have been uh
  • 00:26:40
    anything yeah the market is priced to
  • 00:26:44
    perfection. I think there's every
  • 00:26:45
    possibility that things could escalate
  • 00:26:49
    further. Iran's a threat. There's
  • 00:26:51
    there's a lot of things that are are are
  • 00:26:54
    boiling over. I also think um
  • 00:26:57
    socioeconomically you know the halves
  • 00:26:58
    and the have nots h there could be more
  • 00:27:01
    instability. So I think one's got to
  • 00:27:03
    keep your wits about you. I think a
  • 00:27:05
    market price to perfection is dangerous
  • 00:27:08
    and yeah keep then be very shortterm and
  • 00:27:12
    also be very long-term at the same so
  • 00:27:15
    small risks for the short term and and
  • 00:27:18
    give yourself a a wide birth on the long
  • 00:27:22
    term return of capital rather return on
  • 00:27:26
    capital in this environment. Huh. A and
  • 00:27:28
    if you if people are on this call still
  • 00:27:32
    on this call if there's one like if
  • 00:27:34
    there's one message I like to give out
  • 00:27:35
    to people who are new and and even if
  • 00:27:39
    you're not so new in the game is that
  • 00:27:41
    keep your keep your expectations
  • 00:27:45
    realistic. Um I I ran founded a I
  • 00:27:50
    co-founded a a fintech company. We were
  • 00:27:52
    analytics company. We had 100,000
  • 00:27:55
    trading accounts connected to our
  • 00:27:57
    platform. So, I've seen a lot of trading
  • 00:28:00
    accounts, a lot of performance. I I've
  • 00:28:03
    incubated over 200 traders. And
  • 00:28:07
    everyone's got these big expectations.
  • 00:28:09
    And the minute you play for that big
  • 00:28:11
    stuff, you're likely to blow up. And if
  • 00:28:14
    you can stay in the game, you got a
  • 00:28:16
    chance. And rather lower expectations
  • 00:28:19
    and stay in the game. Be a grinder.
  • 00:28:23
    Yeah. grind it out. That's what all the
  • 00:28:25
    big guys do. They grind it out. You'll
  • 00:28:27
    never know how good you are. You'll
  • 00:28:28
    never know how good you are if you blow
  • 00:28:30
    up and you give it up and
  • 00:28:32
    you That's a regret. Yeah. Michael
  • 00:28:37
    Burman. Uh great to talk to you again.
  • 00:28:40
    How do people keep in touch with you,
  • 00:28:41
    Michael? Uh go to your website. Uh the
  • 00:28:45
    best the best would be to go to the
  • 00:28:48
    website signal to noise.news news and
  • 00:28:51
    I'll respond to um you know you can also
  • 00:28:54
    go on on the Twitter the X account is
  • 00:28:59
    I'm not that active on on on X but yeah
  • 00:29:03
    feel free to reach out I'll email you
  • 00:29:05
    back no problem all right uh uh it looks
  • 00:29:09
    like you're really getting in shape on
  • 00:29:10
    that bottom picture down there you're
  • 00:29:13
    really ripped you see it still sharing
  • 00:29:16
    the screen I wish that was
  • 00:29:21
    Anyway, anyway, there it is. There's
  • 00:29:24
    There's Michael after the close. So, uh,
  • 00:29:27
    all right, man. So, great uh talking to
  • 00:29:30
    you, Michael. Well, let's get back
  • 00:29:31
    together in the summer. See how things
  • 00:29:33
    are going. Enjoy your birthday. All
  • 00:29:36
    right. Thank Thank you. Remember,
  • 00:29:39
    everyone, don't just count your testing,
  • 00:29:41
    your back testing, count your blessings.
  • 00:29:44
    Uh, appreciate the happy birthday
  • 00:29:47
    wishes. Uh, it's all bonus time now,
  • 00:29:51
    bro. So, thank you everyone. See it for
  • 00:29:54
    turn Well, today was turnaround Tuesday.
  • 00:29:56
    Uh, anyway, I'll figure out what day of
  • 00:29:59
    the week it is later. And have a great
  • 00:30:02
    day trading. Adios. See you,
  • 00:30:06
    Glenn. Michael is great. Nuno, thank
  • 00:30:09
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