Vivziepop’s VERY QUESTIONABLE queer representation in Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss (ART COMMENTARY)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1C-DBtDSLQ

Zusammenfassung

TLDRThe video critiques the representation of queer characters in the animated universe created by Vivziepop, focusing on the presence of negative stereotypes. The creator, who identifies as part of the LGBTQ community, analyzes how characters are portrayed in either 'Hazbin Hotel' or 'Helluva Boss', arguing that many rely on hurtful stereotypes. While the shows feature a large number of queer characters, the video claims that this often becomes overkill and that the representation isn't always positive or accurate. Despite this, there are positive points acknowledged, such as the representation of bisexual and transgender characters, like Sally May, who is well-received. However, the portrayal of pansexual and flamboyant queer characters is heavily criticized for reinforcing stereotypes. Overall, the video encourages reflecting on the impact this representation has on public perception of the queer community. It calls for viewers' opinions and highlights the need for more accurate depictions in media.

Mitbringsel

  • 🎥 Vivziepop's work often centers around queer characters.
  • 🏳️‍🌈 Criticism arises around negative stereotypes in her shows.
  • 📺 There are critiques on how pansexual characters are depicted.
  • 🎭 Flamboyant gay men in the shows are often portrayed stereotypically.
  • 🔄 Having many queer characters isn't the issue, but how they are portrayed is.
  • 👍 Positive highlights exist, such as good bisexual and transgender representation.
  • 🔍 Discussion is encouraged about media's impact on queer perception.
  • 🤔 The video invites viewers to consider how stereotypes affect character depth.
  • 📝 Input from the LGBTQ community is welcomed for feedback.
  • 📢 The need for more sensitive and accurate queer representation is emphasized.

Zeitleiste

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The video begins with a disclaimer about the timing of different parts of the video, noting some content was created a month prior and mentions that the topic is often controversial, with a focus on the portrayal of queer people in the "Viy Pop universe". The narrator clarifies their standpoint as a member of the LGBTQ community, addressing criticisms towards the show for its representation of queer characters. They question whether the representation is positive or not, critiquing certain stereotypes portrayed by characters identified as gay, such as Angel Dust, who embodies negative stereotypes about gay men. The discourse includes a critique of the reliance on stereotypes and the impact it has on public perception, suggesting a need for better representation without harmful stereotypes.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:12

    The discussion continues with reflections on positive representation within Viy Pop's creations, noting some bisexual and transgender characters portrayed in a more favorable light. Characters like Sally May are highlighted for being well-represented. However, the video criticizes the representation of pansexual characters, identifying a pattern of negative stereotypes that imply promiscuity and unfaithfulness. The narrator emphasizes that stereotypes are problematic when they overshadow the characters' depth, reducing them to mere tropes. The video concludes by urging for more meaningful representation and engaging in a broader conversation about these portrayals. They invite feedback and suggestions for improvements or future topics, stressing the importance of moving beyond superficial characterizations that do not benefit the queer community.

Mind Map

Video-Fragen und Antworten

  • What is the main topic of the video?

    The video analyzes the representation of queer characters in Vivziepop's universe and critiques the use of stereotypes.

  • Why did it take a long time to make this video?

    The creator got distracted and stopped working on it, delaying its production.

  • What is Vivziepop criticized for?

    Vivziepop is criticized for reinforcing negative stereotypes of queer people in her shows.

  • How does the video creator identify themselves?

    The creator identifies as a member of the LGBTQ community.

  • What is one of the criticisms about Vivziepop's characters?

    One criticism is that Vivziepop's characters often embody stereotypes, especially regarding their sexuality.

  • What is said about the representation of pansexual characters?

    The video argues that the pansexual characters in Vivziepop's works often portray negative stereotypes.

  • Are there any positive points made about representation in Vivziepop's shows?

    Yes, the video mentions positive representation of bisexual and transgender characters.

  • What example is given for positive transgender representation?

    Sally May from Helluva Boss is cited as a good example.

  • Does the video support having many queer characters?

    Yes, the video claims it's okay to have many queer characters but criticizes how they are portrayed.

  • Does the video mention stereotypes being unavoidable?

    The video suggests it's okay to have some stereotypes but criticizes when they dominate character development.

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    that subject is queer people now just to
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    clear my stance on the matter I myself
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    am actually part of the lgbtq community
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    so this doesn't come from a standpoint
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    of I'm criticizing her work because of
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    queer people in the show or because F po
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    herself is queer also this video is
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    mainly on a basis of things I find
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    pretty questionable when it comes to her
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    representation of queer individuals it
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    isn't necessarily all factual
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    information whether you completely
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    disagree with me on the topic or agree
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    100% % thank you for watching the video
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    with that out of the way let's di right
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    into the actual topic of
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    discussion so if you first seen anything
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    that FY pop has created you'd know that
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    there's no shortage of queer people in
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    fact many people would argue that
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    there's actually two many queer people
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    being shown side note another funny
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    thing about that is that there is almost
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    no lesbians in hell of a boss
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    canonically confirmed besides Sally May
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    and like the teacher sure and the demon
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    lady but they're not even like lesbians
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    they're just a sefic couple so I don't
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    really know what to tell you almost
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    every character is in some way queer
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    what do I think about this well I have
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    two different stances on it the first
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    one is that yes I do think that nearly
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    every character being queer is a little
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    bit overkilled however I also do believe
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    that since it's her shows she's a lot to
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    do whatever she wants with the
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    characters in them usually no one bats
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    and I when every character is straight
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    so why should this be any different the
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    question remains is old the
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    representation shown good representation
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    and the answer is no not really now I
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    know I know don't comine me with PGE
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    force and stuff I'm not at all saying
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    that the pH pops representation is all
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    horrible or inaccurate however pichos to
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    put diversity at their core stereotypes
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    these shows play into are honestly not
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    good this entire idea has been subject
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    to plenty of Twitter threads and posts
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    as well as what I'm assuming includes
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    many other video STS like this one the
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    character eust game was specifically
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    discussed as being just downright
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    revolting to some other game there is
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    one specific Twitter post from sa
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    Survivor that I had come across months
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    ago but unfortunately wasn't able to
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    find again Angel to any that weren't
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    aware is an adult video
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    star who dresses very feminine and the
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    scen multiple times thinking very
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    uncomfortable smix gestures and comments
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    of some of the cast such as husk and
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    aler he is also depicted as a drug
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    addict although during this actual
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    series on Prime video it Shan that he is
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    trying to recover and overcome his
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    addiction this plays into multiple
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    negative stereotypes of G that are
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    pretty eyebrow raising to a lot of
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    people to have even been included in
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    these shows something that a lot of
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    people have complained commented about
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    is the fact that angel isn't meant to be
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    a perfect person and has reasons for
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    being sent out while this is technically
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    true there are other ways to go about
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    demonstrating this that don't involve
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    stereotypes that have damaged the public
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    perception of gay men for years in fact
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    most of the game men in the the zop
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    Universe are feminine and constantly
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    demonstrate hyd behaviors this a Ry who
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    truth be told I hadn't actually expected
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    to be gay is a better demonstration of a
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    gay man however he's still pretty SM and
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    very theatrical in any case the
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    depiction of these characters is really
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    just B in stereotyping and kind of
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    ridiculous to me Souls also plays in
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    just several stereotypes of game he's
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    dramatic SM Soul us substances and is
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    pretty feminine as a character most
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    people really like STS he's a fun
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    character he has good story and to be a
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    little more generous technically the
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    only reason he's like that is because he
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    believed was what bz wanted doesn't
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    really excuse the use of so much
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    stereotyping to any gay man out there
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    let me know what you think about this as
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    i' love to hear anyone else stick on the
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    situation as well and also tell me any
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    details I might have
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    missed before I move on i' just like to
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    say some positive things about VY pop in
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    terms of representation and some
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    characters I thought were great in that
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    regard we still some bisexual characters
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    in both hmet hotel and hell of a boss do
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    a good job of showing by representation
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    for the most part they don't really do
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    anything plan into any harmful
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    stereotypes one thing I love about H
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    boss is son fans representation in the
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    show there's lots of background
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    transgender imps and they don't make it
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    all front and center and make a big deal
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    out out of it but Le representation
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    Sally May not only is a great
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    representation of a trans woman also a
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    fun and interesting character I loved
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    her in the hellsbells short and honestly
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    thought it was really fun Husk in terms
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    of pants sexual representation which in
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    the next segment is about so I have a
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    lot to say about that is pretty good I
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    won't talk much about why as that's what
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    the next segment is about but I believe
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    the husk is one of the best cases of
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    pansexuality either show has to
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    demonstrated so far be El up is another
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    example of pretty solid pants actual
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    representation and last but not least
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    Octavia I was so happy when she finally
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    made canonically Ace it was just a nice
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    little talk I think a lot of fans were
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    very happy about now back to the things
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    I do not not like this is one that gets
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    unrising quite a bit viy Pop's panexual
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    representation viy poop has arguably
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    some of the most stereotypical negative
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    pansexual representation I've literally
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    ever seen let me read off some common
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    stereotypes of pansexual
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    people overly Smo notification to
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    relationships of the Unfaithful partners
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    and would do the devil's Tango with
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    anyone and anything some familiar yeah
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    now let me list off canally pansexual
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    zop characters that demonstrates some or
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    all of these traits Blitz Jazz Valentino
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    barasa osmodius and Barbie wire somewhat
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    considering we haven't seen her much and
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    in case you didn't notice that is
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    literally six of the eight pain seexual
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    characters fampus created and that isn't
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    good like at all in the official pride
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    month art fop release Chaz h a shirt
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    said if you can't see why it's a bad
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    thing well needless say the way presents
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    bsexual people isn't correct or any way
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    positive minus how skim be elab up who
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    don't have SE as one of their main
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    character traits and just so everyone is
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    aware I don't really think that having a
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    stereotype as part of your character is
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    that bad of a thing there's something
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    wrong with your characters become being
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    a little flawed but when the biggest
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    part of your character is The Stereotype
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    that that's when it becomes a problem
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    just like with the amalon characters the
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    problem isn't the existence of The
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    Stereotype but the fact that the
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    stereotype is so present that it's the
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    most vital part of their character these
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    characters are genuinely good characters
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    the exception being Chaz as I genuinely
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    didn't like anything about him besides
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    his design for the most part they all
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    have character depth again the exception
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    being Chaz and be with the addition of
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    Valentino because we don't really know
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    anything about his life before
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    and all he is is really just absolute
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    worst to Angel the problem isn't really
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    the actual characters but just the fact
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    that they're essentially just the
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    manifestation of these stereotypes
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    actually there's plenty of pansexual
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    people out there that actually act like
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    this and amalon people I'm not going to
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    deny that but using that as a key
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    character element for these characters
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    really it all just seems like it comes
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    down to the fetishization of quer people
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    but does outrageous and completely untr
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    stereotyping there are lots of shows
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    with the nice and queer characters that
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    actually make people feel seeing more
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    represented and another thing FY bom shs
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    care about male sa survivors when it
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    comes to playing it out between these
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    queer characters is an edgy joke she's
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    all for it overall instead a take away
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    from this is that it's okay to have a
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    bunch of queer characters it's okay to
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    play into some stereotyping but
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    glorifying supporting and pushing out
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    these harmful ideologies does literally
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    nothing for the queer Community except
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    put them back right where they
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    started but yeah I just wanted to get m
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    two cents in because I feel like this
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    topic isn't really talked about as much
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    as I think it should be especially in
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    Hell basas more talked about about hasb
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    been Hotel specifically surrounding
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    Angels us and so again like I said at
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    the beginning of the video if I missed
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    anything you would think there's ways I
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    could improve the style or just anything
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    about the video let me know cuz I might
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    making more of these in the future if
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    any topics come up that you guys would
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    like me to cover or do a video say about
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    but anyways thanks for watching and make
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    sure to like and comment it would really
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    help a lot
Tags
  • Vivziepop
  • LGBTQ
  • queer representation
  • stereotypes
  • Hazbin Hotel
  • Helluva Boss
  • pansexuality
  • media critique
  • bisexual representation
  • transgender characters