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at least 13 kids were killed and four
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others were injured in air strikes
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recently according to UNICEF the
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location not Lebanon not occupied
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Palestine but Sudan yes the genocide
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that gets little to no coverage in
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today's media because of that here is a
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short refresher in 2019 Sudan was
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supposed to welcome a new era of
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democracy after overthrowing then
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dictator in Chief Omar Al Basher two
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years later however it all fell apart
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when Sudan's military together with the
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paramilitary rapid support forces the
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rsf for short arrested the country's
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primee Minister and threw civilians out
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of their power sharing agreement that
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top chair however was not big enough for
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both groups as the Army and the rsf
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started a war that continues to kill
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thousands while displacing Millions
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we've talked about humanitarian crisis
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on this show several times before but to
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give you an idea of how bad the
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situation is in Sudan right now Reuters
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reported just recently that residents
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displaced by fighting or under siege in
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their homes have resorted to eating dirt
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and
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leaves yes dirt and leaves and look as I
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said before it didn't get this bad only
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recently it's been this bad for months
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we just haven't been paying attention in
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February the Associated Press reported
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that 13 children died of die of
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malnutrition each day at a camp for the
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displaced in Northern darur more than
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75% of health facilities are out of
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operation more than 20,000 cases of
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color recorded this year alone people
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have no idea across the world that this
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is happening in Sudan in fact according
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to a new poll by data for Progress here
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in the United States when Americans were
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asked how much they knew about what was
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happening in Sudan 36% said they knew a
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little 59% said nothing at all well
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joining me on this show today is someone
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that knows a lot more about what is
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happening in Sudan Khaled ala is a
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Sudanese artist producer writer and
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Soros fellow and he joins me now from
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Italy KH thanks so much uh for coming on
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the show um people don't know very much
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about what has happening in Sudan as I
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mentioned the polling shows that
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Americans are pretty ignorant about it
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we know the Army a few weeks ago
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launched a major offensive to regain
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territory in the capital in in carum
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that they lost to the rsf but just big
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picture how bad are things right now in
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Sudan as a whole given so much focus is
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on Gaza Lebanon Ukraine uh it's it's big
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picture and small picture is very bad in
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Sudan right now uh in terms of the um
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it's it's basically a displacement
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um a hugee displacement situation crisis
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uh we have a Health crisis uh we have uh
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epidemics like a lot of colera right now
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is is is turning up there's uh not
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enough hospitals for everyone it's it's
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it's a really bad situation um in all
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areas of Sudan even even in the safe
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areas of where the Army is located and
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of course the ignorance about Sudan
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abroad is partly manufactured by the
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military and the militias because they
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as in Gaza have blocked journalists from
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going into places they have targeted
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journalists they've killed journalists
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detained journalists done internet
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blackouts it's very hard for people to
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find out what's happening on the ground
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in Sudan how do people like yourself
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people in the diaspora how do they keep
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touch with family friends back home how
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do you get updates as to what's going on
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how hard is it it's it's extremely hard
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it's extremely hard uh one of my friends
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who recently uh moved from the rsf areas
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to the uh the safe Army areas he said
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it's more dangerous to have a camera
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than to have a weapon wow in in in the
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rsf areas so that's that's one of the
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main reasons why there's not enough
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footage coming out of of of Sudan and
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sadly because you know news at the end
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of the day became entertainment and you
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need to be killed in four four four you
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know for the 4G or whatever it's called
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to to 4K for you to be um you know uh
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broadcasted and that's and that's one of
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the issues so um there's there's lack of
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footage coming out because it's it's
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very dangerous to have camera
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and there's not a lot of people that
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feel safe uh to be in Sudan there's very
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brave journalists right now you know you
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can you can count them in one hand
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basically journalist from Al jaer
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journalist from Al Arabia that are
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located in Kum right now but it's it's
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it's it's incredibly hard to find any
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source of credible news and uh that
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makes even the situation worse because
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the the the war became kind of a media
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War uh between the videos that the rsf
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soldiers uh shoot about themselves and
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the videos that the army solders sh
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about themselves so this is all you got
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and it's basically WhatsApp family
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groups yes and of course the distrust
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between the rsf and the Army is so high
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that the price is being paid by innocent
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civilians caught in the middle um a
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recent un fact-f finding Mission found
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that 63 out of 65 people Tried by Army
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convened Courts for working for the rsf
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were actually Aid workers and
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activists absolutely absolutely I mean
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that you really don't know what is the
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truth and it's it's exactly the same
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situation that is happening everywhere
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else it's it's um you know very uh kind
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of even football holigans uh kind of
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looking at the war you know if you're
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with the Army you're 100% with the Army
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no matter how many people they killed no
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matter how many mistakes they make they
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still cheer for the Army if you were the
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rsf it doesn't matter if they are you
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know genocidal it doesn't matter if
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they're killing innocent people if
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doesn't matter if they're shooting at
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schools and hospitals they're still with
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the rsf it's it's incredible and that
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again back to the lack of real trusted
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news coming out of Sudan KH you of
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course are an artist and you use your
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art to tell the story of Sudan in ways
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that word simply cannot um the war in
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Sudan is one with several players
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involved from outside of the country uh
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you displayed so much of the that aspect
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of the story in a drawing that you
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posted uh in August that we're putting
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up on screen could you explain to our
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audience the meaning behind this piece
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and give us some of the background on
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the actors playing puppeteers in all of
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this I mean it's it's really the same
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players uh in the whole region right you
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have you have two teams you have the the
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of course from the Arab Spring until
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today uh these two teams have learned to
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um how to play the game sadly and uh in
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Sudan because the revolution happened in
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Sudan in
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2013 and uh and later on again and then
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again finally in 2019 with the
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revolution so uh when the revolution
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happened I think uh the
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counterrevolution forces whether it's
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you know the Saudis the emiratis the the
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the Egyptians on one side really kind of
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um were ready to see what the next move
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is right so they did the same moves that
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they did in Yemen they did in Libya they
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did in Egypt yeah it's the same scenario
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right so they put on a a
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military uh uh uh two leaders of the
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military and and uh military Council uh
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they put the civilians that they would
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like to see um on the table the ones
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they don't like to see are pushed out
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and they create of course the lack of
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media the we saw the you know the the
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war on uh Twitter uh the fake accounts
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the the troll Farms it's exactly the
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same thing that keeps happening every
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time right and uh they played a a big
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role in the in the way that uh the war
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tend up today and uh how it happened and
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where it happened it's literally they're
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reading from the same
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book I mean one country in particular
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that even American politicians are now
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singling out in Congress is the UAE
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which is an ally of the US United Arab
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Emirates which has been supporting
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militias on the ground what do you make
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of the role of a country like the UAE
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when it comes to the fighting on the
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ground in
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Sudan I mean of course they're denying
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it but everybody knows it there were
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there were weapons found and even before
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the war had started they have took on
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hamiti as their kind of child prodige
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their next ha you know and what they
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wanted to do I think with HTI was avoid
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that the mistake that they've done in
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Yemen uh they didn't want to create
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another houthi so they got thei on their
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side and ouri was basically right so
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they have him on his side they grew him
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they grew his forces he was fighting the
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war for in Yemen for them they had so
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many plans for them because at the end
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of the day he was uh Young he was
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ambitious and this is really what uh the
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Arab Spring or the young people want
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everywhere right in in the region a
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young person and uh so they wanted him
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you know PR uh there was a a Canadian uh
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company run by an exmad that was doing a
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whole lot of whitewashing for HTI even
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though he is the same person that
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committed uh the 2003 and 2006 genocides
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in in Dar
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War all of that disappeared you know and
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then he was a new person and then the
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the emiratis basically kind of made him
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play this this new role of the Savior uh
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after after uh the Revolution and when
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uh the when the when the war started you
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know when the war started they basically
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were behind them they uh they had an and
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in the in in the in the surrounding
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countries as well so they had an airport
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in Chad that delivers weapons and of
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course they have uh um the on the other
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side so they were basically surrounding
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it from from all sides and this kind of
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now broke Sudan into different players
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so you have uh the libyans the chadin uh
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on one side and of course you have Ahmed
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in Ethiopia on one side and then you
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have the Egyptians who want more um the
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Army than uh than the rsf because the
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the the Sudanese Army and the the the
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Egyptian Army always work together it
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was always an extension of each other
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and they see um HTI as more of um more
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of chaos than than what the Army is
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supposed to represent which is more of
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just securing the area making sure that
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U you know you mentioned the army during
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his speech at the UN General Assembly in
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New York recently Sudan's military
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leader Abdul Fat Al bran he claimed that
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the military is still committed to a
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transfer of power to an elected
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government a coalition government if
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need be uh with the prerequisite being
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the complete disarmament of this militia
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the rsf the withdrawal of their forces
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do the people of Sudan if I can even
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make a sweeping Claim about such a big
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group of people do they trust the
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current government the military to bring
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an end to this war and do you think any
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of that can even happen do they think it
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can happen without external
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intervention most of the people of
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Sudan most of the people that had to
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escape Sudan are now very happy with the
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advancements that the Army is making not
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because we love the Army but because of
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we know how dangerous the rsf is and
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what and how they're back by the UAE
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with and we see the situation that any
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country that was backed by the UAE
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whether it's uh Egypt or Libya we see we
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see what happens the country divides and
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then you you you know you lived under
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the good dictator for you know we don't
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know how how long uh so most of the Army
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is willing um and kind of cheering for
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uh most of the country is kind of
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cheering for the Army right now because
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they know that if the Army wins we're
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going right back to the street to fight
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that Army it's not it's not for the love
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of the army yeah right and and this is
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it's it's a small thing that happened
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less of
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two people from the old regime came back
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to Port Sudan where the Army uh where
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it's basically the new capital Now And
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the rsf tried to make that as see the
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old regime is coming back they're part
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of the part of the Army and the whole
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the internet the Sudanese internet came
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back and said we are still for the
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revolution we don't care if they come
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back we will still fight them we are
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here for December and we will still be
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here for
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debly last question just sticking to the
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issue of intervention that same data for
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Progress poll I cited a moment ago asked
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Americans what they think their
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country's role should be in Sudan 51%
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said the US should help end the war
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through diplomatic efforts 133% said
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they should do the same using military
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efforts what role if any can the US play
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in bringing the war to an end in
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Sudan I think just putting pressure real
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pressure would would would really end
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this war
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uh at the end of the day the the UAE
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should be pressured into stopping uh
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supplying weapons to the rsf right and
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the Army I think will sit down if if
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they feel that the the rsf doesn't have
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enough power uh to fight them for longer
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if there is real pressure put on both
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the Army and the rsf and their suppliers
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this war will stop we can only hope khed
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Al thank you so much for coming on the
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show and enlightening us appreciate your
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time thank you very much for having me
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