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I'm Glen McGinnis and welcome to
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outburst this week seeking asylum in
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Canada under 50,000 people in the span
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of like a year isn't that many Canada is
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a wonderful place in this world and
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people are seeking our borders for
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safety I just don't like what they
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provide to them you know as opposed to
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what they're giving to our own citizens
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it's getting Canada and the US a little
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bit into hot water with each other
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obviously with Canada we're so welcoming
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to an extent it's an issue at the heart
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of what it means to be Canadian
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welcoming multicultural polite safe
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strong and free but an influx of asylum
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seekers crossing the border has become
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somewhat of a political lightning rod
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Canadian law applies we don't ain't
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decorate 40,000 people well this little
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process cost Canadians millions and
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millions of dollars we need the whole
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countries to join together and face this
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challenge together and has voters
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wondering if the system is working as it
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should what it means to our neighbors to
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the south and if our borders remain
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secure and cities wondering what it's
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all worth so now it's your turn how open
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can and should Canada's borders be to
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asylum seekers not very that should go
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through legally properly
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and should be a limit how many come in
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so you the current system right now you
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think needs to be changed well the
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current systems abused all the time I
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don't think there should be that open no
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there should be restricted yes
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why a controlled they want to make sure
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that's right people coming to Canada
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yeah why not give people a chance we
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have a huge country we all of us are
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immigrants here except for the First
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Nations people so I don't have any
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problem with asylum seekers coming here
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for me like you know Canada is and like
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we always welcome immigrants and I'm an
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immigrant too and but I know there
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should be a procedure that we should
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take beings trick is is probably the
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best way to do it because we welcome
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people but we make sure that you know it
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will not affect other people as well now
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obviously there are people with a
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criminal background that ought not to be
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coming in and we have to screen those
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people out but in general we are a
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country of immigrants and for the most
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part our immigrants are wonderful
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citizens we do need to help people so
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that's a tough one for me I feel there
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should be more criteria of allowing
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people and not just really allowing
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everybody in Canada is a wonderful place
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in this world and people are seeking our
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borders for safety and a good life and I
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think that we should open our arms and
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welcome people so we shouldn't close
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them we shouldn't change anything not in
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my opinion have you had a personal
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experience with an asylum seeker in
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Canada yes and my profession I've worked
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with several families and they're just
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seeking safety and a better place for
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their children I think they should be
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open I mean they're open for stuff or
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for me for vegetable fruits and like
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furniture I think humans should be a
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to live where they want to it's a very
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complicated problem I don't know how I
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would manage it if I were in the
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government you know so I would say try
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to find a compromise but I would not be
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like to do everybody is allowed to come
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in no I would I would try to find a
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balance with our population as well you
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need to go by the book so there's some
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rules in place and you cannot stay here
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if you're not the criteria are there and
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if you're not accepted in the program
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you're not you're going back to to your
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countries we should try to get those
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people and especially if they have
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expertise that we can use for front of
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them secures wait open because I think
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if someone's fleeing their country the
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Apfel a good reason is for their life
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it's for their family things like that
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they should be able to find the basic
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human dignity find peace find the just
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safety so wide open because when we talk
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about it we all we all have been
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immigrants at some point like everybody
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like it we're not from here we're from
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Europe from Arabs everywhere so it's
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just more doesn't think it's a bad thing
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that we have more immigrants in Ontario
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the personal and political tension
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around this issue remains high CPAC
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contributor Molly Thomas lays out what's
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at stake I'm only Thomas in Toronto
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anyone that lives in this city knows
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that space is a massive issue so what do
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you do when thousands of
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seekers are filling your city shelters
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well you have to built and that's what
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Canada's largest city is doing right now
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they're putting up three to four
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temporary structures to just fit that
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neat and these numbers are unprecedented
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let me just show you just how busy city
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shelters are right now the City of
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Toronto says 45% about half of all
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people living in shelters right now are
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asylum seekers or refugees claimants if
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you look at 2017 that number was just
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25% take it back another year we're
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talking about 11% put this on top of the
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fact that the city has more than 5,000
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people already homeless trying to find a
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place to put their head this is 701
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Fleet Street we are in downtown Toronto
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and by November this is going to the
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spot where the city puts up its first
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temporary shelter so you can see some of
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the chalk drawings that are already on
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the line all the way around it gives you
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an idea of how big this structure is
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going to be now when it's complete it's
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going to house a hundred people now a
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hundred people in this structure
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basically on cots in a massive room
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there's gonna be seven showers about 14
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toilets for all of the people that are
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living there
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of course the structure will be
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connected to city services like water
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heat natural gas and each of these
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structures is slated to cost two point
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five million dollars to save the city
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and province are upset would be a
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massive understatement it is gonna mad
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scramble the last few months to figure
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out where do these people live we've had
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assylum seekers in college dormitories
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we've also had more than 1700 people
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living in hotels but who foots that bill
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there's been tense negotiations between
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all three levels of governments fighting
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over a just fast and winter of course is
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coming the federal government gave
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Toronto 11 million dollars the city says
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that is not enough they actually are
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dealing with more than 64 million to
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recoup costs by the end of the year the
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province puts that number at more than
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200 million right now
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and this problem shows no signs of
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slowing down we are seeing more than 15
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to 20 asylum seekers enter the system
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every single day limited health care
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services are available to refugee
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claimants through federal programs or
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through provincial plans but those with
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a precarious immigration status still
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struggle to find health care in Canada
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Molly Thomas spoke to a doctor in
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Toronto who treats uninsured Haitians
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and they discuss who she sees on the
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frontlines and who falls through the
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cracks you know we've seen numbers as
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shelters for example in Toronto rise
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we've seen more and more refugee
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claimants in those shelters are you are
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you seeing those same people walk
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through your doors here at the clinic
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yeah definitely I think it's it's
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unclear whether there's been a general
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increase in the number of refugee
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claimants across the country but we do
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know that we are seeing a little bit of
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an increase of people who are
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specifically leaving the u.s. to come to
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Canada and make a refugee claim that may
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have otherwise made that claim in the US
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so I've seen people like that who you
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know very clearly state that they feel
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that the u.s. is not a safe place for
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them and they felt that they had to come
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here to make their claim to be prevented
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from being sent back to a country where
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they would be in danger we need to be
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thinking of expanding sanctuary cities
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to sanctuary provinces and we need to be
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thinking about how people can access the
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health care they need regardless of
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their immigration status do you also see
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people that you think are taking
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advantage of the system because your
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frontline right you are you're seeing
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the services rolled out I think that's a
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genuine concern for a lot of Canadians
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yeah I can understand how that's a
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concern particularly if they're not in
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the service provision role so it's
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really again easy I think for people
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that may stand to benefit from
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propagating that view so if they you
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know for example certain politicians may
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want to suggest that people are coming
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here and taking advantage of the system
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but that's not really something that we
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see on the ground we see people that are
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that are desperate you know they're
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they're coming and also extremely
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resilient but they are if people are
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here they've they've often journeyed far
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and they've come for for reasons that
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are completely understandable from from
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a human perspective
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between January and July of 2018 the
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RCMP have intercepted more than 12,000
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people crossing into Canada from the US
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mostly on foot in between points of
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entry 12,000 378 people in eight months
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this year alone coming to Canada to seek
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protection we want to know what you
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think about this is the u.s. a safe
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place for refugees I feel like it should
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be but with like the Trump stuff and all
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that that's going on in the world it's
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kind of hard to say with how people are
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reacting to what he's doing and how you
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know how the policy is bringing out and
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stuff
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I mean Canada's obviously will be the
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better option but I feel like US should
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be fine too yeah I mean you know they're
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obviously fleeing from somewhere the
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legitimate ones anyways you know they're
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fleeing from countries that are you know
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in a state of war so between the states
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in the US they should at least have
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somewhere safe to stay but if there's a
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reason they're leaving the states yeah
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it could be because of the current
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government that's down there and a huge
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backlog in the system not that our
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system is any better at the moment from
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what I understand it's pretty backed up
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as well but I mean yeah if I had to
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choose between the two I would choose
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Canada but that's just me it kind of
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used to be but you know the president
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stuff that's going on there they're
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certainly not very welcome is it safe
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you know they're not endangered but they
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certainly get sent back to either do
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Mexico where they came from so it's not
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good for them but is it safe yeah I do
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why well first of all they're not in a
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persecution they will not be beaten or
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killed they had the parents and the
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children in jail and they were in
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separate jails on top of that so I'm
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like wow that doesn't make sense we all
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know if you went to school we all know
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or took psychology anyways that
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separating children from their families
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just straight like that is not good
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psychologically PTSD is now I'm learning
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a lot more about PTSD and it's a fact
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that it exists and it's real and these
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children now could have it you know the
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children are probably affected more than
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the parents but I mean it's not good
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that you're separating families like
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that especially you know in a country
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that's as free as the US as they say
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they are it doesn't make sense no
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probably not at the current president
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in what way do you think it wouldn't be
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safe well the common the comments and
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the low and regulation that is coming up
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it is obviously it's not very welcoming
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for anyone who is seeking a refugee or
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Asylum seeking you know so yeah probably
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not probably things have changed a lot
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since the new government no I don't
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think it's a safe place because beyond
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the official sanctions and harsh
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treatments that people may be receiving
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the citizenry are also much of them
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anyway up in arms and it hits American
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against American those who are trying to
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defend them so it it's kind of an ugly
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situation probably not I guess with the
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latest I don't know I I don't know a lot
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about it but from what I've heard from
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Trump and administration and things
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doesn't look like it's a nice place to
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be here right now for the future you
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mentioned you're from Belgium view did
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you think Canada would appeal to you to
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be a better place in the u.s. absolutely
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and why I guess there's much more of an
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image that it's yeah opened and you
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won't be rejected they have yeah they
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have an open image about welcome and go
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ahead will try to help you find a place
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the laws there I I don't know if I would
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be in their position I would pick Canada
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way over United States because of all
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the violence you can see on TV right now
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and they're all targeted by other groups
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like KKK and stuff like that they will
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all target the immigrants
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I don't know I don't think it's safe for
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them actually God accepted into a
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fellowship it's the President Obama's
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emerging global leaders initiative and I
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came through for the fellowship it was a
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one-year fellowship in Washington DC
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where I served with a nonprofit
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organization and after that I applied
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for asylum in the United States it was a
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transitional period in the United States
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and everything seems to have really
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changed there and I really did not feel
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welcomed at all in fact I felt scared
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most of the time so that was the time
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when when my husband came and we decided
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that we can no longer live in the United
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States with the way that things are
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going we did come through rocks and Road
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and we came in the winter so it was it
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was pretty cold and you know we just we
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just we walked and then we we were
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entering we saw the border police there
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and they stopped us for some time they
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spoke with us for a little bit to let us
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know what to expect after this and you
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know we went ahead we were at the border
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for about 12 hours just doing some
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process there but we knew that if if
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you're looking for safety somewhere you
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need to do something to get it you need
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to go somewhere you cannot sit and wait
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for yourself to you know safety to come
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to you you have to go and seek it we
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were very very scared we had no idea
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what to expect you know we were saying
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we could be arrested you know especially
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when we when we reached the border and
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they were telling you that if you enter
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you will be arrested you know at that
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moment it's like it's either do it or
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don't do it but you know I'm here so if
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it takes me to be arrested okay you know
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because at the end of the day you are
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here to get safety if it's if this if
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this is gonna get me to being in a place
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where I don't feel scared walking in the
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street anymore then so be it you know we
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always hear about how Canada is so
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welcoming and everyone here is very nice
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and even people in the United States
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were saying that no it's it's the
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because a lot of people knew what was
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happening to me in the United States
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I've received a few racial attacks there
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in different cities and all the people
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who were close to me who knew this we're
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all saying no things are different in
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Canada Canadians are very nice they're
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not you will not find in a lot of racism
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issues the way you find them here so
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that was really the biggest motivation
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for us to come here is we just really
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wanted to feel safe and welcomed
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somewhere you know I'm even even staying
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here I am the day and night very worried
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about my family because my family is
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still there my parents my sister is my
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brother they're all still living there
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and it's honestly at this point the
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country is a sinking ship it's just
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waiting for it's time to sink that's it
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so it's now at a point where everyone's
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just frantically running to leave before
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you know before they're there they're
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gone
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you know there is a serious tracking of
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every single person who who's ever
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voiced out and spoken against this any
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injustice any inequality that you speak
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about you don't even have to be an
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activist you can just be a regular
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citizen who is concerned about what's
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going on in your country and you speak
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about it and you know that you are in
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risk of getting harassed you were in
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risk of possibly even getting killed we
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do not have any information we are
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supposed to have a court actually but we
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have no idea it's been 8 months now we
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haven't really heard anything I'm
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learning French now this is gonna be my
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fifth language so I'm very I'm very
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excited I really love learning languages
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so that's one of the main reasons why
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we're staying in Montreal is because you
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know it's a new language it's exciting
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and it's it's it's it's quite scary
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because you don't really know if you're
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ever gonna learn this language but you
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know I think it's I think it's worth the
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shot and I also honestly felt very very
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welcomed here I think even though
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there's a language barrier we're still
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able to communicate with people so I
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find it really Pleasant
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we're in Ottawa and we're asking people
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this question the majority of refugees
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coming into Canada in 2018 originated
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from which country from Syria India
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Mexico India Mexico India Nigeria
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it is Nigeria the correct answer is
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Nigeria between January and June 2018
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Nigeria was the country of origin for
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six thousand nine hundred fifty-three
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new refugee claimants in Canada but as
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of June more than eleven thousand
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Nigerian claims are still pending other
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common home countries for asylum seekers
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between January and June 2018 include
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India at 1801 Columbia at 1084 Mexico at
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1030 Romania at 1013 and Haiti at 833
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these are just new referrals and do not
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include those cases processed or pending
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once an asylum seeker is in Canada
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alleging persecution or seeking refugee
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status the speed of their case can vary
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in total there were 26,000 59 refugee
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protection claims in the first half of
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2018 11,000 769 of those claims were
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made by irregular border crossers Canada
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accepted 7,000 831 people as a
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convention refugee or person in need of
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protection from January to June 2018 we
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don't know how the numbers of asylum
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seekers looking to enter Canada will
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change this year
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maybe they'll be more maybe there will
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be less maybe our laws and policies will
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change maybe not but this issue is
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changing and challenging our political
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discourse so once again it's your turn
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how do you think asylum seekers crossing
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the US border is affecting Canadian
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politics from my viewpoint I think that
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a lot of the Tories are kind of flaming
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a lot of the fears and fear-mongering on
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the subject I think it isn't important
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for us as a immigrant society to look at
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the rules of how immigrants come to
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Canada and from the states but I would
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say that you know I don't think that's
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our biggest concern on the plate I
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really think the Conservative government
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is making a little bit more of a big
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deal than they should be of course
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they're trying to win the next election
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but it tends like under 50,000 people in
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the span of like a year isn't that many
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they're obviously facing a hard time in
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the US and they as long as they're going
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through the proper processing and that's
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why I'm I mean we have a really strong
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history of immigration law and I think
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we're doing a fine job with that to an
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extent I feel like it could be affecting
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our politics to see as we are like the
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upstairs neighbors in the US so it is
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going to affect us we do have a lot of
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like trades and involvement with us so
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it will affect us
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same situations as having in Europe
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right now this happening here is that
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with with a lot of of immigration people
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are anxious about their their way of
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living and the governments are becoming
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more right-wing I think it's getting
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Canada and the US a little bit into hot
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water with each other obviously with
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Canada we're so welcoming to an extent
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it makes us really late our relationship
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with the states it's been a big deal
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lately it's I think it's I think
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politicians are using I think
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politicians are using it in their favor
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and just to be elected not because their
00:22:36
heart is in it and that's not it's in
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genuine okay
00:22:45
I think it's dividing the country well
00:22:49
it seems to be a hot-button issue I see
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it in the news all the time people are
00:22:52
talking about a conservatives liberals
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there it's obviously a big issue for a
00:22:57
lot of people I don't know how it
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affects the average person and their day
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to day I mean I can't say that it's
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affecting me in a way that I've noticed
00:23:07
but all I know is that yeah it is a big
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hot-button issue with a lot of people
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right now trying to decide what to do
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with all of these people I feel the same
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way like I don't know what else could be
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said probably I mean I'm sure there's a
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lot more pressure on the Canadian
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government to do something about it
00:23:28
because there's all these people coming
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in they need plate they need jobs they
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need places to live so obviously there's
00:23:34
some pressing matters there but I think
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it's a bit of a it's a bit of a
00:23:38
lightning rod I think it's probably a
00:23:40
little overblown but the arrangement we
00:23:45
have this business about you know being
00:23:46
illegal or irregular is ridiculous I
00:23:48
mean the fact that you come across an a
00:23:50
border crossing or not if you come in
00:23:53
illegally you should be classified as
00:23:56
illegal and go through the same process
00:23:58
I mean everybody should go through the
00:24:00
same process my parents emigrated here
00:24:02
they went through the same process it's
00:24:03
different obviously for them but you
00:24:06
know these unfortunate folks who are
00:24:09
getting in from the states it's only a
00:24:14
few thousand we can afford in a few
00:24:16
extra thousand people so
00:24:19
it's not that bad I think politicians
00:24:22
are just ignoring the problem Trudeau is
00:24:25
being the worst he just ignores it like
00:24:27
it's not there anymore it's a problem
00:24:29
it's not happening and it is a problem I
00:24:31
just don't like what they provide to
00:24:34
them you know as opposed to what they're
00:24:37
giving to our own citizens so it seems
00:24:39
that they're giving a lot more money
00:24:41
towards these people then they're giving
00:24:43
to you know veterans people like that I
00:24:46
hope it won't but so far I think the
00:24:53
government the current Canadian
00:24:54
government are a lot welcoming towards
00:24:56
the refugees there are Wars and people
00:25:00
from wars and countries and I don't see
00:25:05
there is any any change of attitude
00:25:10
since the new government in US and
00:25:13
hopefully it stays like that there's
00:25:16
always I think everyone is always afraid
00:25:18
of not finding a job because they think
00:25:20
people coming in is a competition for
00:25:23
them so there's always this kind of yeah
00:25:27
fear of the unknown that can affect
00:25:29
people and be closed up and not
00:25:32
welcoming as they could be it too is
00:25:34
becoming more polarized
00:25:36
I've been following some of the opposing
00:25:41
sides North 99 Ontario proud on Facebook
00:25:46
and we're having a lot of that kind of
00:25:49
polarized debate in comments about
00:25:54
asylum seekers and the Prime Minister
00:25:57
opening the borders to just about
00:25:59
everyone that we can't get documentation
00:26:03
on so it's becoming political it has
00:26:07
become a political hot potato in Canada
00:26:09
as well
00:26:10
and I fear the kind of factions that
00:26:14
we're seeing in the United States are
00:26:15
also showing up in Canada so we have
00:26:18
politicians playing to those
00:26:20
constituencies both I don't want to say
00:26:23
left and right both Pro nationalists
00:26:27
and pro-immigrant and and of course
00:26:32
they're not immigrants they're asylum
00:26:34
seekers summer refugees so there there's
00:26:37
also the confusion of language about
00:26:40
what to classify them as and people are
00:26:43
not taking the time to really be
00:26:45
informed and I think the government's
00:26:47
not doing as good a job as they could to
00:26:50
inform people about the process either
00:26:53
they're kind of taking the attitude we
00:26:56
Canadians accept everyone and not all
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Canadians do thanks for watching this
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episode of outburst on the cable Public
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Affairs Channel I'm Glen McGinnis next
00:27:08
week we'll be exploring how the
00:27:09
legalization of marijuana will affect
00:27:11
Canada and your community you can find
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hear from you it's your turn to speak
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and we're listening here's what some of
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you had to say so far why never smoked
00:27:28
marijuana so for sure it would have an
00:27:30
impact on the and the health of the
00:27:33
people in the long term it's safer it's
00:27:36
way more controlled and
00:27:38
people can get what's good for them it's
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not about just the legalization and
00:27:45
giving it enhance it's more about how we
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are going to implement this change
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