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check check what's up everyone welcome
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to another podcast uh this is the first
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one where i'm filming with someone who
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has done who's doing masters in
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architecture she corrected me it's not
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ms because masters of science
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it's masters in inaudible
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do you want to introduce to my audience
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yep hi everyone my name is shivani uh
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i'm currently in my third fourth
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semester of masters of architecture at
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iit college of chicago
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and hi everyone so you said which
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semester you are in uh i'm in my fourth
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semester like last semester okay so
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final semester yes okay there are like
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lot of interesting facts
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offline when we were talking so she told
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me like a lot of facts which i was blown
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away i'm gonna try to compare it with my
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uh field which is computer science
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technology
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because that's what i know and it's
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gonna be so different from architecture
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i have no idea so please pardon me i
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apologize in advance but let's talk
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about like how does bachelor's and then
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like what's the process is the same like
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do you have to do the gre toefl
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or is it different for architecture uh
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we definitely like i definitely had to
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do gre uh and toefl toefl is compulsory
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i think coming to united states for all
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the fields but for us i think uh
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for us gre wasn't that um
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like they don't consider gre that much
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for the admission uh for us it was
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mostly based on a portfolio the works
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the portfolio is just the works what we
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do in our bachelor so based on that uh
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they like they give us the admit and
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based on our gpa so gre is mandatory but
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i don't the weightage from gre according
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to me is very less for the architecture
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of you got it okay
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and uh sorry going back a little bit
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let's do a quick background like
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where are you from in india and what did
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you do in india
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i'm from pune
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i have done my bachelor's in
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pnca banumen nanawati college of
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architecture
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that's that was also ranked as asia's
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top first
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good college for architecture in pune
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and then
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i've come here for my masters so no work
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experience uh no i'm a co-worker like
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20 20 pass out bad so we
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didn't had time to or companies who
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aren't hiring hiring that time okay so
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we but and and you said something very
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interesting that
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when you come here um they look for your
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portfolio and profile uh versus like
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jerry jerry is there but it's not like
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that's not where they judge you yes uh
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portfolio so how do you build portfolio
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uh yeah i mean uh all the architecture
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students uh we start building a
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portfolio from third year itself because
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uh
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for my university the pune university we
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had a compulsory internship that we do
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in a fifth year we have to like work for
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one semester that's included in our
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curriculum so when we apply for those
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internships we have to have a portfolio
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that time as well to show the firms that
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this is what
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we have done so far okay and uh yeah i
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mean all the architecture students are
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like
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have the habit of starting or building
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their portfolio since third to fourth
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and what portfolio means for
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architecture portfolio means uh
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the work
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you do from first year you put your
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designs your uh model making so when we
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design we also make miniature model of
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it show to show how the design is so
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basically photographs of that and then
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if you are designing something what are
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the concept what was your design process
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and what is the final output so the
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portfolio is just the compilation of all
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the work got it okay
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did you have internship
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yes okay nice and was that internship
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still like in the field of architecture
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yes okay cool what did you do in
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internship uh so for me uh our uh the
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firm which i worked for was uh mostly
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like work mostly on residential project
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so i worked under a senior architect so
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she used to like tell me to do basic
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changes in autocad files as an intern we
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uh didn't get to design much but we did
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a lot of
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technical stuff like correcting autocad
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drawings all the plans and everything
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and then we also did many site visits
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where we went on the site and uh like
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checked for
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basic construction stuff what do we
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uh learn so that's cool like you will
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basically go to the flat land which is
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nothing exist or there might be like
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they're gonna first lab second slab
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going on a construction going on wow and
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then you are like okay this is what
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obviously the architect and the people
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who are going to design they're gonna
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tell you like this is what i want and
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then you
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do all that blueprint like fancy 3d
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diagrams and all that
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nice and then you decide like
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what material to put in and yes all of
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that
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oh wow
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so now that field you are
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pursuing same in america yes okay so now
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you obviously are pursuing masters in
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america is there like scope in masters
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in america like does people like after
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people complete their masters do people
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get job and is there scope yeah i mean
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there's definitely a lot of scope if you
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do masters here and then you start
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working here itself
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because again
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i think architecture is one of the
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emerging field nowadays because uh you
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there's a lot of creative buildings
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happening all around the world and then
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you i mean there are different uh
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different categories of
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architecture coming into picture so yes
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definitely if you do masters here you
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get to learn and explore into one
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specific field if you want to or you
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just can do plain masters as i'm doing
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so that you can learn a lot of things uh
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at the same time it's up to you after
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you do bachelor's bachelor's just
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generic architecture what you do okay
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let's talk about uh i'm gonna switch
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gears a little bit so let's talk about
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your uh you're doing masters in an
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institute of illinois technology at
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chicago
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it's not iit mumbai it's chicago
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uh but let's talk about fees because i
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think that's very
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very shocking it was very shocking to me
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i thought architecture wouldn't be as
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expensive as it is for computer science
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but
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what what's the fee structure
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uh so for the for the for the uh
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side i'm doing uh masters of
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architecture uh
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i have to do 66 credits uh so the 266
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credits
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so and that's still two years uh yes i
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mean you can extend another semester if
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you want to but i most i haven't seen
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anyone doing that so basically most
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students finished 66 so i and and the
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reason i'm shocked and for people who
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might not know
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most masters are usually just 30 to 36
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credits maximum
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and uh
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66 is a lot and she's finishing you you
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guys finish it in two years yes so how
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many credits do you guys take in one
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semester it's 15 18 15 18. you can take
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more if you want to but
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15 credits uh i submit i don't remember
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how
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uh
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all right so back to the fees question
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so 66 credits what's the per credit for
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you uh 16 15 i think 1 615 wow
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so like
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okay i have to do a like math real quick
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is it like roughly for two years
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hundred and ten thousand dollars
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that's a lot of money
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it's a i think what's in iron it's like
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80 lakhs or so 80 wow
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without any scholarship
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did you get scholarship okay how did you
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get scholarship
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i think it's uh
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we are international students we are
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like considered by default for the merit
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scholars okay so you don't have to apply
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specifically okay
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it like they are directly consider you
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based on your uh gpa
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your portfolio and your
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uh gre score okay and uh how much did
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you get scholarship i got seven thousand
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dollars per semester so that's twenty
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eight thousand twenty eight thousand
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dollars okay
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so still like out of hundred and ten
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hundred
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dollars that's still like 90 000
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wow
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it's very expensive okay uh
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this is still not the shocking part
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shocking part comes when
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after the math like once you complete
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the masters let's talk about the jobs
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you said something very interesting that
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architects don't make a lot of money
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what's an average salary you've seen
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people make once they graduate or once
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they finish their masters uh
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what i got to know from my seniors is
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like when you join as an entry-level
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architect or graduate architect uh 55 or
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50 is the starting
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salary i would like in in big city like
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chicago yeah all my seniors i have got a
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noise from chicago there are some of
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them who are in cali they start from 90
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to 100 but i think they're in san
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francisco okay that's interesting so
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i'm guessing a lot of architects uh
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student come here because they love
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architecting things and wanting an
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opportunity because this obviously the
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roi is less in a way what's your reason
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my
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i think it's more like passion if you
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want to follow what i mentioned to you
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before is as architecture students i
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think we mostly follow um
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like just like how we follow superstars
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of celebrities it's just like for us the
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famous architects are our celebrities so
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for us it's more like passion when we
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design
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uh something you want to perceive more
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want to learn more and that's why
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or you like
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come into for for doing masters or you
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want to like learn more
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uh in my for me uh
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i have i had like not chosen any
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specification after doing bachelor so i
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came into like masters of architecture
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which is like plain and i get to learn
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everything like all kinds of
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specialization like fields but if you
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are uh very focused or interested in any
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one of the specification in the
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bachelors itself then uh they just come
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for any specification and then that's
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where
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the credits are less 33 to 35. okay okay
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so but that i see both pros and cons
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pros is obviously you have more choices
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because now you have like a lot more
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options to
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explore in terms of jobs
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and con is like you have to pay a lot uh
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is it like for someone who's choosing a
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specific like architect whatever the
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career choices they want to make
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for them the other options are still
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exist or yes they do because this they
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have still done a bachelor's of
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like if you want to specifically do in
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some uh role then that's what the
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specification is for like you can still
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look for other roles but that's where
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your major is can you give us like some
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example like what are some of the roles
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people can get once they graduate
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uh so nowadays it's uh more the bmi
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field is more what's bmi bmi is uh
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building information modeling so
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basically we design it on uh like
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softwares the buildings and then you can
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manipulate the building econo like
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environment friendly or if you can
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design it uh you know the cost of the
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building you know if it's uh having all
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the passive strategies like most of the
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cost of construction is lower down with
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like all these uh stimulations and
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everything that's done on software so
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for that the uh the architects choose
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bmi field where you get to
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specifically have the building designed
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um element wise or like more in detail
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with respect to cutting cutting the cost
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or having more design strategies
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basically on the computer so that's one
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what what are some
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then the others are a parametric
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architecture or um the basic if if that
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would more i think make sense to all the
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other public is landscape
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architecture or urban design or urban
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architecture
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so to say landscape architecture that's
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more clear you get to design a landscape
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thing around the building it may be park
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so maybe just a garden behind your
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backyard so you can choose that
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specifically
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you get to design
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which grass goes where which plants
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which waterfall
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if and structure is there than that
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that's cool and then
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what's urban architecture urban
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architecture is uh planning the cities
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or planning urban spaces like urban
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whatever you like go to the downtown and
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see urban parks
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uh community parks okay all those stuff
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cool so that's urban planning and
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obviously you have an internship uh
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right uh how hard was it to get an
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internship for you
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um
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i would say
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it was difficult i won't lie but it
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depends on how much you like you apply
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on everyday basis and how much you put
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in your efforts for me it was a little
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difficult because last semester uh i was
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struggling a little bit with the other
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subjects so i did not was not able to
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put that much into
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uh applications every day but yeah i did
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end up with uh an internship and
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okay so let's go back to the because you
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were doing five
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almost five subjects this semester uh
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that's a lot already uh
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and
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okay even back uh how was your education
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like well did you feel any cultural
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difference in terms of education from
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india to america uh i think
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here it's more like
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i feel that you get a lot of freedom to
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design or to you know to do your own
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assignments in your own way okay
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initially in india we did uh individual
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all the projects we did was individually
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uh you're
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more focused on group working so you get
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to like you get to pick your own
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teammates and everything so you know uh
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different approaches also
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like one might be more interested in
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random organic design whereas one might
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be very interest like very focused on
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very strict rigid right angle uh type of
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design so you get to meet a lot of
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people and then you can have a lot of
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approach i feel okay and
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because you were obviously doing five
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subjects uh
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did you have on campus job yes you did
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yes okay so you were doing five subjects
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on campus job
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and household things
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yes and also looking for internship
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yes
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uh is was it hard was it like did you
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did you expect that's how your life is
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gonna be or like did you realize like oh
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my god this is a lot i wouldn't like
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first semester uh because it was online
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it was easy but the second semester when
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it everything opened and
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it was in person it definitely was
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difficult okay
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like what if you were to give someone a
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tip to be mentally prepared what would
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you give be ready to do
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be ready to work hard yeah everything
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i think
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in india it's more like we just
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concentrate on our studies and
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everything when you come here
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for architecture we have to spend time
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uh on modeling stuff it's just not
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restricted to those
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two hours or three hours of
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studio work you still have to stay awake
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at night and
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being like in america i think you have
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to also
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have some uh on campus job so that you
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can pay for your rent and everything so
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i would say just be ready for it for the
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hard work and the hustle yeah yeah you
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know i say in my video keep smiling keep
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hustling so you gotta hustle
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uh because i mean i can't even imagine
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what your schedule must be like what was
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your day like what does your typical day
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look like
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uh
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i
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like you wake up at 4am
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no
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no okay i don't want to scare them
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no i wake up
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no uh so for uh
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during on-campus job uh either you take
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in a desk job or a reception job where
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you can um like just sit and
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uh not do physical work but for me it is
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like
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difficult to get
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such kind of jobs initially when uh for
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the on-campus job i worked in canteen uh
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there are shifts so you can uh still
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manage your shifts according to your
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courses
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so uh
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for me all the classes started from two
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and then it and sometimes it ended at
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seven sometimes at nine
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every day oh wow okay because i think
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for uh others it's like one subject so
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it's weekly two days of the college and
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others you can like work on campus so i
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met like i um
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made sure that my shifts are in the
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morning so it could be from
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seven to whatever or six to whatever so
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mine second semester all the shifts were
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morning six o'clock to
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twelve one whatever
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six two okay so six to twelve you or six
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two ten twelve
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you were working then you took a break
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took a lunch did you prepare your lunch
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or were you eating outside oh i mean i
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was working in canton so free food
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[Laughter]
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so you got obviously you got your lunch
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and then
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you went your classes from two to seven
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so pretty much you're like gone in the
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morning leave your apartment and then
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you come home at like 9 10. yes
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and then you come back and then you have
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to do your homework or assignments
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and also prepare for interviews and
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this that's a lot like you have to be
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prepared like you were like gone from
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morning six to
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nine and that's not even that's just you
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have to that's your survival
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after that whatever you do so do you
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like participate in con like college
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events and yeah so you do that also okay
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i mean we are all
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part of india when she say all behind
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there is a behind an audience
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that's fine
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we are all like part of indian student
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association so we do a lot of extra
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activities i mean now that you're
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mentioning that okay you go from six to
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nine i realized okay i've done this but
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it never seemed
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that difficult yeah i mean looking i'm
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just looking at a very different
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perspective
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and i that's what like i want
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students who are
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maybe hoping to get a masters in
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architecture see that this is what the
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life is going to be and
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be ready for it so what was your
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strategy for
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jobs finding internships and when did
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you start applying
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i started applying in uh december itself
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but again as i mentioned because of the
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semester i mean with the stories and
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everything i did had a lot of
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months in between like from february
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march i think i didn't apply anything
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because for us it's like studies that
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time studies were more important to me
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than just
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uh internship
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so
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i think three to three months of
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applications if it's very less yeah and
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yes with the subjects then you you can
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get a good job okay
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here's a question i ask everybody how
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many jobs or internship did you apply
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before you
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started getting an
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interview calls initially i used to
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apply at least 10 to 15 on an everyday
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basis yes but
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uh it took me a lot of time to get
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replies
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there were hardly any replies i would
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say because it depends on it depends on
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person and you are is there like a
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specific role or you're like applying
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landscape uh whatever you get no i was
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applying for architectural intern that's
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it we'll get to what you do right now
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but um
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is there like for your strategy did you
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try referral online job portal like what
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was your strategy applying
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initially i did not have any reference
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or something because again it was very
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difficult for me to find any seniors or
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any
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students who
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are in this in this field of
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architecture because it's very less at
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that time when i came i didn't know
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anyone so uh i just did a link taking on
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yeah online linkedin handshake all those
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kind of
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platform and this career fair happens in
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your yes they don't and does architect
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companies come yes okay so that's
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helpful yes it's very helpful yeah for
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at least for the architecture students
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because we have a separate uh career
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fair
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completely and all many many of the
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well-known companies do come to the
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college in person to um
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for hire students or interview them okay
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i didn't ask you this question but is uh
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your master's stem course yes okay so
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you do get yes opt plus extensions okay
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cool let's go back to your internship
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search uh when you got your interviews
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like what kind of interview questions do
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they ask you
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uh for us it's mostly what kind of
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projects you have done like it it's like
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if you have done residential of
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commercial depends on what kind of form
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you're applying so this if they
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specifically have a lot of
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residential project they that's the
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questions they asked like what type of
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projects are you interested in working
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on
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then so it's mainly behavioral oh yes
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okay it's not technical i think i've
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seen my friends giving interviews where
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they have this technical stuff where
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they have to show what they know
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for us uh
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for the for the firm to know what we
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know is our portfolio oh yes so they
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have it in front of them that this is
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what we design and they don't ask you
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like okay what about autocad this button
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does or not
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uh but they do ask us like um
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how uh
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much do you know the software like is it
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beginner or do you know it very well how
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many years have you have been using the
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softwares and you know how do they judge
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you
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if you fake it like uh i know this very
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well
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uh they do ask you like if they
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understand that okay this is not what we
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are expecting they do us like for
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example if you
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for me there was one question that okay
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how do you know autocad i'm like yeah
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i've been using this for like past
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five years maybe from my bachelor's
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itself so then he he asked me like do
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you use xref and i that's a that's a
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type of command we use in autocad which
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if
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if you don't know autocad that good you
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won't know it okay so about it you just
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get contest so if they understand the
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needs right what are some of the common
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tools people have to learn
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or should learn when they are in india
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or when they are doing their masters
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i think autocad is the one basic
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software everyone uses your
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uh and then the second is revit yeah so
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yes two of them are like you have to
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learn and for 3d modeling uh
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in india we a lot of us use ketchup but
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i would really really recommend all the
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students to know rhino because right now
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there's this software which a lot of
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students here in america learn india
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bachelors itself
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and all the
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firms prefer
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um
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right now you can do like this drone
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shot and the camera moments what
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software is that that's uh it might be
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some realistic rendering software yes
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right it can be lumion lumion that's
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what that's the one yes that's the very
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common software and the easiest one to
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get a realistic views of okay got it so
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and you do all of that as well right
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like as a part of your job
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yes uh yes as a part of my job not right
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now but yes that is what i think would
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be doing once you get full-time job
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as an intern
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what's like the salary range people get
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as an architecture intern uh
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right now it's from 20 to 23. okay uh
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for the interns okay
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chicago and
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and you said full-time anywhere from
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55 to
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eighty eighty five i think
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i do i have i have one senior who's in
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cal leave california who has 110 okay
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but uh
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i don't know how is like that's the only
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one person i've heard more than
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yeah 100. and uh do from your
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how much ever seniors you know
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do you know if all of them have gotten a
00:24:54
job
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yes okay i haven't seen anyone who has
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not not had a job okay so that means
00:25:00
there is scope and people do get a job
00:25:02
and it's just the salary might be a
00:25:04
little less
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and depending on their career
00:25:06
respiration where they want to go with
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that uh is is your career inspiration
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like to work with one of these famous
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architects
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which is which is that which are some of
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them
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uh i would my end goal is to work with
00:25:18
big architects big architects br kindles
00:25:20
group big architects if you're watching
00:25:22
please contact me
00:25:25
i'll send them this clip
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but yeah that's uh the end firm i would
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like to work uh based on the architect
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himself i really really admire and like
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his work
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uh and i wouldn't like one mind if the
00:25:39
salary is less or something and because
00:25:41
you want to get that exposure yes
00:25:44
opportunity and experience from learning
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how they do that their stuff yes
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and eventually i know we were talking
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off camera
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that you would want to have your own
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firm where you are doing the architect
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for all the people yes nice
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awesome i'll i mean i don't know if
00:26:02
you'll do houses or like is there
00:26:04
something you want like you want to
00:26:05
focus on houses or buildings or i want
00:26:08
to focus on mainly houses
00:26:10
villas or
00:26:11
bungalows or residential all the
00:26:13
celebrities will come to you guys
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definitely
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cool okay is there any tips or things
00:26:21
which you would want to say for the
00:26:23
students who want to pursue their
00:26:25
masters in
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architecture
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uh
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i would just say like
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be
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i mean
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make sure
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you get your uh
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for architecture feed make sure that you
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have a very good command on all the
00:26:40
softwares
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uh you just have good
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uh communication and good networking
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skills and architecture it's
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more important i feel than
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just the
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gps are just the uh
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percentage it's more of communicating
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and having network
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and yeah just be prepared to work
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everywhere and everything you can
00:27:03
prepare to wake up at like 5 a.m go to
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the campus at six o'clock
00:27:10
studies there's no fun part okay so
00:27:12
let's talk about fun this so is there
00:27:14
any fun part like i don't see how you
00:27:16
can have fun if you are like
00:27:20
okay sorry so you do have fun
00:27:23
i mean yes you can still be a part of
00:27:26
many organizations in the uh in the
00:27:28
college you can still be a part of a lot
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of activities in the college
00:27:32
architecture i mean iit itself has a lot
00:27:34
of organizations you can be a part of we
00:27:37
do have like we do spend three three
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hours in the studios but we still have
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um
00:27:43
you know waffle table set up or um
00:27:46
parties or maybe you know
00:27:48
when do you do parties like if you're
00:27:50
like six to nine okay so basically be
00:27:52
ready if you're coming to iit then crown
00:27:55
hall is going to be your second home
00:27:56
second just be ready
00:27:58
okay yeah
00:28:00
that's that's what it is called so you
00:28:02
you can like be ready to like be there
00:28:05
okay so yeah
00:28:06
work hard but party harder
00:28:08
yeah because your schedule is so busy
00:28:11
have you gone anywhere outside chicago
00:28:15
yeah i mean last summer we did go to
00:28:17
florida okay so so people have fun who
00:28:20
does architecture okay sorry
00:28:22
i mean i made it sound like
00:28:25
i just want to make sure
00:28:26
no
00:28:27
like this there is balance you like you
00:28:30
have a very good from what i understood
00:28:32
and talking to you you have a very good
00:28:33
clarity vision what you want to do where
00:28:36
you want to go
00:28:37
with your entrepreneurship goals etc so
00:28:40
like i think you are like well sorted in
00:28:42
your head like this is where i so you
00:28:44
can balance out like when to study and
00:28:46
then when to party when to travel all of
00:28:49
that so there is possibility there is
00:28:51
hope but uh but you just have to make
00:28:53
sure like you now you are aware this is
00:28:56
all your life is gonna be
00:28:58
it could be fun it could be as fun as
00:29:00
you make it i guess again thank you so
00:29:02
much uh for doing this uh please let us
00:29:04
know if you have more questions about
00:29:06
this we will bring her back and i'm sure
00:29:08
she'll be working with big architects
00:29:10
when we bring her back next time so
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thank you again until our next one uh
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keep smiling and keep hustling
00:29:17
every single day just like her six to
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nine
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