Why Strategy Always Beats Talent (w/Seth Godin)

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Resumen

TLDRIn this podcast, Seth Godin shares insights on the vital role of strategy in achieving success as a creative or entrepreneur. He stresses that tactics alone are insufficient without a clear understanding of one's goals and the audience to be served. Seth explains that many individuals rush into taking action without first clarifying their strategy, which can lead to inefficiencies and misdirected efforts. He discusses themes from his new book, highlighting how strategic thinking can help individuals and organizations to work smarter, resonate with the right clients, and create meaningful change. The conversation also explores the relationship between time management and creative work, advocating for a proactive and thoughtful approach to one's career and life goals.

Para llevar

  • 📌 Strategy is essential to avoid misdirection.
  • 🎯 Understand who you serve before taking action.
  • 🧠 Empathy helps shape effective strategies.
  • 🚀 Choosing the right clients leads to better outcomes.
  • ⏳ Time spent on strategy is never wasted.
  • 💡 Work on the business, not just in it.
  • 🔍 Continuously ask fundamental questions.
  • 🚀 Non-linear learning reflects how we engage with ideas.
  • 🎨 Creativity flourishes with a clear framework.
  • 🌱 The right strategy shapes future success.

Cronología

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The discussion starts with the importance of strategy in any venture and how often people skip understanding it, leading to ineffective tactics. There is a sentiment that regardless of how fast you are moving, if you are not heading in the right direction, your progress is meaningless. This foundational understanding of strategy is shared by various individuals across different fields, highlighting a common neglect for it.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Seth Godin is introduced as a guest who shares insights from his new book on strategy. He recalls a past meeting with the host, emphasizing the significance of a comprehensive strategy over mere tactical approaches. Writing the book serves as a point of discussion about strategies in marketing, advertising, and overall purpose.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Godin discusses the unconventional approach of his book using riffs instead of structured chapters to convey ideas. He argues that clear frameworks might not be beneficial for those dealing with less understood concepts like strategy, hence the loose format helps in exploring multifaceted conversations and learning the core message organically.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    The conversation shifts to the metrics of progress, where Godin stresses that understanding who you are serving and what change you are trying to create forms the essence of a solid strategy. It's critical to plan your approach rather than just imitate tactics from others, leading to better client relationships and outcomes.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Godin further expands on the importance of recognizing and choosing your clients wisely, explaining that improving your standing as a creator involves attracting the right clientele instead of the average ones. He illustrates this with a wedding photographer example to help understand how strategic thinking directly leads to better outcomes.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    There's an emphasis placed on time management and how creatives often have a toxic relationship with time, mistaking busy work for productivity. Godin points out that significant decisions should ideally come before the frantic execution of tasks to ensure that energy is spent wisely on desired outcomes instead of on mediocrity.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The complex relationship between creativity, strategy, and outcomes is explored, noting how embracing empathy leads to a better understanding of what clients want, contrary to merely expressing creative freedom without context. Godin emphasizes the need to cultivate meaningful connections with clients, rooted in both empathy and best practices.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:35

    The discussion wraps up with reflections on the book and Godin's approach to writing as a means of caring for one’s work and audience. He reiterates the goal of sparking conversations on strategic thinking, not just for book sales but as a broader mission to aid the creative community in making informed choices.

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Vídeo de preguntas y respuestas

  • Why is having a strategy important?

    Having a strategy is crucial because it helps you understand your direction and the changes you want to make before rushing into tactics.

  • What can happen if you skip strategy?

    Skipping strategy can lead to wasted efforts and superficial actions without meaningful impact.

  • How can one choose clients strategically?

    Choose clients by understanding who you serve and what unique problems you can solve for them, rather than just accepting anyone.

  • What did Seth Godin mean by 'you are not stuck in traffic, you are traffic'?

    This phrase emphasizes personal responsibility for one's situation; rather than seeing yourself as a victim of circumstances, recognize your active role in shaping outcomes.

  • How does empathy relate to strategy?

    Empathy is essential in strategy as it helps you understand the needs and desires of those you wish to serve.

  • What is the first step to take in strategic thinking?

    Begin by clearly identifying who you are serving and the specific change you want to create.

  • Why is it important to work 'on' the business rather than just 'in' the business?

    Working on the business involves strategic planning and decision-making that can lead to overall improvement, rather than just focusing on daily tasks.

  • Why did Seth choose a non-linear format for his book?

    He chose a non-linear format to reflect the way people learn and to allow flexibility in how readers engage with the content.

  • What is a key takeaway from this podcast?

    A vital takeaway is the importance of asking fundamental questions before taking actions, such as 'What do I really want to achieve?'

  • How does the book relate to creative work?

    The book emphasizes that creative work requires intentional strategy and thoughtful planning to ensure meaningful outcomes.

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    strategy says doesn't matter how fast
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    you're going if you're going in the
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    wrong direction and figuring out where
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    the prevailing winds are figuring out
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    who we're trying to help getting that
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    part clear before we start racing around
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    with all the tactics and the clicking
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    and the posting is so important and yet
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    people skip it billionaires I know Skip
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    it nonprofit leaders I know Skip it
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    seven-year-olds skip it and we got
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    indoctrinated to skip the strategy and
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    it just felt to me like people didn't
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    understand what strategy was and maybe I
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    could help
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    them Seth Goen you're on the podcast
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    again thank you for joining me joining
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    us our audience uh of listeners they're
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    super big fans of yours and you're back
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    on the show thank you for being here you
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    know I would be on the show Even if you
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    forgot to hit record just so we could
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    chat you remember um
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    not too long ago sitting in a cafe in uh
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    set somewhere on the upper west side
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    with the slippery floor yeah with the
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    slippery floor and uh you beaming went
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    into your backpack and pulled out a
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    stack of paper and the stack of paper I
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    have that stack of paper with me right
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    here um for the people who are who are
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    listening you can't see this but it is a
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    what is this uh 17 by 11 y yeah 17 by 11
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    print out of your new book before it was
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    published and this is one of the most
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    generous um to me your most generous
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    offerings I when you said you were
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    writing a book on strategy it I was like
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    I was very baffled I'm like what is a
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    book on strategy about and then I'm you
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    know 25 pages in and it all flicks for
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    me that this is this is the best thing
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    you could ever write about why did you
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    decide to write about this in your next
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    book well as you know uh writing a book
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    isn't what it used to be it's this uh
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    five minutes of inspiration followed by
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    a year of
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    slog
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    and uh part of they don't tell you in
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    writing school right that's correct part
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    of the reason I do it truly is so I can
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    have conversations like this with people
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    like you part of the reason I do it is
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    because I want other people to talk
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    about it and a book is a signal
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    it's a signal that says this isn't a
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    blog post it's not a YouTube video it's
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    this document it demands to be rejected
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    or absorbed or
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    discussed and what I found like you I
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    have peers and friends who ask me
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    questions advice I don't do any coaching
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    or Consulting but what I found is people
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    would come to me with marketing
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    questions that weren't marketing
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    questions they were strategy questions
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    they would come to me with uh
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    philosophical questions that were
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    strategy questions or whatever their
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    frustration was strategy says doesn't
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    matter how fast you're going if you're
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    going in the wrong direction and
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    figuring out where the prevailing winds
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    are figuring out who we're trying to
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    help getting that part clear before we
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    start racing around with all the tactics
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    and the clicking and the posting is so
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    important and yet people skip it
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    billionaires I know Skip it nonprofit
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    leaders I know skip skip it 7-year-olds
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    skip it and we got indoctrinated to skip
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    the strategy and it just felt to me like
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    people didn't understand what strategy
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    was and maybe I could help them well
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    that is about a clear lens as I've ever
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    heard on concept of strategy especially
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    that it's relevant to you know whether
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    you're seven or 70 and whether you're a
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    billionaire or you're just trying to get
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    your own you know your your business off
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    the ground is it the equivalent of if
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    you're going to chop down a tree you
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    need to spend some time sharpening your
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    axe first rather than just chopping or
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    is it slightly different than that well
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    I love a good metaphor part of it is if
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    you're going to chop down a tree it
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    helps to plan 20 years in advance so you
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    can plant a tree and part of it is
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    figuring out uh which kind of tree to
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    chop down because if you're making a
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    Cherrywood canoe paddle and you chop
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    down a pine tree you're out of luck so
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    yeah sharpening the ax is a good tactic
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    yeah but a strategy is why do we have an
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    axe at all and why this tree and why
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    today and what are we here to do and
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    what change are we trying to make and so
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    you know since you made me start
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    thinking of trees who chopped down the
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    last Tree on Easter Island which then
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    led to the demise of the entire
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    population didn't they see that there
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    was only one tree left well another
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    interesting question is who chopped down
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    the H hundredth from the last Tree on
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    Easter Island Because by the time
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    there's only one tree left it's probably
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    too late and there's an ecosystem all
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    around us sometimes it's an actual
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    ecosystem with trees sometimes it's an
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    ecosystem filled with social media or
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    competitors or
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    whatever do we understand that tomorrow
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    is going to be a little like today but
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    different and what's going to grow and
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    how it's going to shift this is super
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    juicy things and you know when I think
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    about the seminal breakthrough business
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    that you started
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    it worked partly because of your magic
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    but also because you saw the systems you
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    saw how media was changing you saw the
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    rise of the independent freelancer you
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    saw that people were craving not just
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    craft but connection all of that was an
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    insatiable desire that you showed up to
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    fill and other people showed up and said
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    I got a hack for today but that's not as
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    good as having a
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    strategy so I think for a lot of people
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    uh who are listening or watching the
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    concept of a
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    strategy
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    is fuzzy it's obscure it's like you know
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    they go right into the tactic like cool
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    I see my peers posting on social media
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    therefore I should post on social media
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    as an example uh that you've already
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    articulated and yet the same thing is
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    true with a million other things well
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    they I see that I I have this they have
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    this camera and they're really good or
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    further along in their Journey than I so
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    I need to have that type of camera or
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    they're having you know they're doing
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    these kinds of media uh and therefore I
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    need to do these kinds of media and so
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    it's very much like a culture of mimesis
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    where we're just imitating other what we
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    see other people doing and then you know
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    if you put a pin in that the way that
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    most every artist author entrepreneur
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    breaks through is from
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    strategically doing something different
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    so how do we get out from underneath
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    what most people who are listening
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    watching run to which is the
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    tactic what you know what advice would
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    you give us to get started thinking
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    strategically first before we even right
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    you know record our first video for
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    example so I'm going to assert that most
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    of the people who are listening see
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    themselves as creatives and are probably
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    Freelancers or soloists yep and if that
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    is you two things first of all you
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    signed up to do things that are creative
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    so finding a creative strategy without a
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    rule book and a list of tactics should
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    probably be okay with you because you
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    said you wanted to be a creative and
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    second the only way for you to have
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    achievement for you to advance is not to
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    work more hours because you can't it's
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    to get better clients better clients
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    demand more talk about you more come
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    back more often pay you more and you
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    don't get better clients by doing a
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    really good job for bad
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    clients you get better clients by
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    creating the conditions for better
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    clients to seek you
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    out so the reason that you need a
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    strategy is because what you're doing
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    right now is getting you the clients
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    you're getting right now and a strategy
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    says here's how I'm going to find a
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    different path to get a different
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    outcome the people I seek to serve so
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    let's just pick a wedding photographer
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    if you're a wedding photographer and
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    you're bottom feeding what you're doing
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    is you're saying if you're a bride and
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    you want to pick me here I am you can
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    pick anyone but please pick me and
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    you're going to end up with
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    indiscriminate customers who are going
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    to pay you average and demand average on
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    the other hand if you say I specialize
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    in solving this problem for this kind of
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    bride and groom or bride and bride or
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    groom and groom that I work in this way
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    or in this place for these kinds of
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    customers this is an untapped place
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    where once I start doing it people go oh
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    that's a whole category I didn't even
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    know about it that can belong to you but
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    you're not going to be able to do it by
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    copying someone you're going to do it by
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    seeing a problem and finding a solution
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    to it that's strategy that's part of the
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    and I guess to what would you respond or
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    how would you respond if I
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    said but isn't it good to do something
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    instead of nothing because most people
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    try and solve all their problems from
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    the couch they'll sit there and try and
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    just fast forward all the Perfect
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    Solutions a b c and d and you know how
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    do you reconcile the fact that I'm
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    trying to get people to do something
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    instead of nothing and the something
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    ends up usually being a tactic is it
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    okay to do a tactic F first realize that
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    you're excited about these tactics and
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    then press pause and say okay let me
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    zoom out say what am I doing here or do
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    we always need
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    to be thoughtful and start with the
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    first step first like reconcile those
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    things for me okay so you need a craft
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    and you need a skill and you can develop
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    your craft and you can develop your
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    skill without getting paid for it and so
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    we need to be busy all the time getting
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    better at our craft and our skill but it
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    doesn't make sense to do mediocre crap
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    work for mediocre clients we don't want
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    more of just because we don't have
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    anything else booked for
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    Tuesday that if we can have the guts to
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    say I'd rather work on my own or do
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    charity work for the zoo or the local
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    nonprofit for free then take this
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    mediocre client on Tuesday we have just
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    put ourselves on the hook on the spot
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    because we said look I'm only going to
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    get this Tuesday once and I have a bar
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    and if you're not above the bar I'm
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    going to pay myself to work on Tuesday
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    because I need to be able to say no to
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    people if you're not saying no to people
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    then you don't stand for
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    anything there's a phrase you're either
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    working in the business or on the
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    business and is it fair that that
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    strategy is is working on the business
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    and doing social media posts and doing
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    your craft is working in the business
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    would you make that distinction yes
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    that's a great distinction it's the
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    single best page in the book The emyth
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    Revisited
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    and uh what he means by yeah looking for
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    it while you're talking when you work on
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    the business you are being the
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    consultant the board of directors the
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    CEO you are figuring out the structures
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    so that your best employee doesn't waste
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    her time when you're working in the
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    business you're the best employee doing
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    your job and as someone who's been a
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    freelancer often on for 40 years
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    particularly when times are tough we
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    find ourselves leaning in to working in
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    the business as much as we possibly can
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    thinking that's going to solve the
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    problem but 10 minutes of working on the
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    business can be
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    transformative because in those 10
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    minutes you can say you know what I
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    don't need to keep writing mediocre copy
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    I'm just going to hire claw. to do it
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    for me and I just save myself an hour a
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    day which I'm going to go spend doing
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    something hard right that decision is
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    not easy to make because you're feeling
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    stressed and you just want to do
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    something all day to keep up but the
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    short version of this is a lot of people
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    listening to this want to have a job
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    without a boss and if that's what you
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    signed up for I have to inform you you
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    probably have a really really lousy boss
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    someone who wakes you up in the middle
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    of the night and says you're not doing a
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    good job somebody who's undermining you
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    somebody who doesn't appreciate you and
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    it's you so you should probably get a
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    better boss someone who you deserve I
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    have just finished writing about uh
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    there's a section on time and my new
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    book and time comes up consistently and
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    here's the so I I this is sort of my
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    favorite artifact this gigantic print
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    out that I've got here and this is gonna
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    I'm gonna this is actually going to be
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    on my bookshelf and I've course I have
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    the the actual book which is beautiful
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    and I love the little debossing that
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    you've got on the front great job it's
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    beautiful uh and as I I I have a number
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    of sections marked throughout the book
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    you also have written about time quite a
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    bit and it turns out that we creators
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    entrepreneurs solopreneurs small
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    business owners we have a pretty um I
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    might use the word toxic I'm going to
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    try it out and see how see how it lands
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    kind of a toxic relationship with time
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    not dissimilar to what we just talked
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    about you're working on the business or
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    in the business we wake up at 3: in the
  • 00:13:51
    morning we know we need to be sleeping
  • 00:13:53
    but our you know that that unhealthy
  • 00:13:56
    part of our brain is telling us that
  • 00:13:57
    we're not doing a good job
  • 00:13:59
    um I was wondering if you could just
  • 00:14:01
    talk a little bit about the relationship
  • 00:14:05
    between uh us as solopreneurs
  • 00:14:07
    entrepreneurs creators and and time it's
  • 00:14:10
    a really consistent theme here you got
  • 00:14:11
    one section for example 99 that I've got
  • 00:14:14
    marked here which is time isn't free
  • 00:14:17
    when we spend an hour reading a book
  • 00:14:19
    it's an hour we didn't spend listening
  • 00:14:21
    to speed metal when we take on one
  • 00:14:24
    client we've chosen not to pursue
  • 00:14:27
    different options opportunity cost is
  • 00:14:30
    real and as we've been given more access
  • 00:14:33
    more tools more opportunities the costs
  • 00:14:36
    continue to increase yeah um so let's
  • 00:14:40
    try this thought experiment it's
  • 00:14:43
    2024 write a letter to the U of 2019 5
  • 00:14:47
    years ago thanking that person for
  • 00:14:50
    something they did five years ago for
  • 00:14:53
    you today what was that decision that
  • 00:14:56
    client they took that client they fired
  • 00:14:58
    that skill they learned 5 years ago that
  • 00:15:01
    you are so grateful is part of your
  • 00:15:04
    quiver now it's pretty easy to imagine
  • 00:15:07
    the best decisions that you made that
  • 00:15:09
    contributed to
  • 00:15:11
    that
  • 00:15:12
    well 5 years from now the you of then
  • 00:15:17
    can write a letter to you
  • 00:15:19
    today what will be they be thanking you
  • 00:15:22
    for right will they be thanking you for
  • 00:15:25
    spending 10 extra minutes sharpening all
  • 00:15:27
    the pencils and making sure they're in
  • 00:15:28
    exactly the right order will they be
  • 00:15:30
    thanking you I still thank the me of 20
  • 00:15:33
    years ago for firing my biggest client
  • 00:15:36
    because they were horrible they sent a
  • 00:15:39
    lawyer to every meeting they were
  • 00:15:40
    undermining us they were doing
  • 00:15:42
    everything they could to get rid of us
  • 00:15:45
    and I had the legal right to stay and
  • 00:15:47
    keep all the revenue that we were
  • 00:15:49
    promised and I sat with my team there
  • 00:15:51
    were nine of us at the time I said these
  • 00:15:54
    guys are onethird of our revenue and
  • 00:15:57
    they are turning us into the kind of
  • 00:15:58
    group group that's good at working with
  • 00:16:00
    lousy
  • 00:16:01
    clients I'm not happy about that I would
  • 00:16:04
    like to fire them and the group to their
  • 00:16:07
    credit said go for it so I called them
  • 00:16:10
    up and I said you can keep all the
  • 00:16:11
    royalties we never want to see you again
  • 00:16:14
    you got what you wanted you
  • 00:16:15
    win and in the next 60 days we replaced
  • 00:16:20
    all of the Lost business plus extra wow
  • 00:16:23
    because we felt so relieved at what we
  • 00:16:26
    had done and how willing work could be
  • 00:16:29
    again that we were on fire well if I
  • 00:16:34
    hadn't done that there's no question I
  • 00:16:36
    would not be on this call today and
  • 00:16:38
    we've all we all have things like that
  • 00:16:40
    right to me this is the uh the
  • 00:16:43
    fundamental there's let's keep poking at
  • 00:16:45
    this time thing this we believe that
  • 00:16:48
    time is this ongoing sort of conveyor
  • 00:16:51
    belt marching us towards our death that
  • 00:16:54
    is always operating in the background
  • 00:16:56
    and yet as you can experience as you
  • 00:16:58
    just shared
  • 00:17:00
    when you're working for a terrible
  • 00:17:02
    client doing work that is not fulfilling
  • 00:17:05
    largely based on the environment that
  • 00:17:07
    that client that that your relationship
  • 00:17:09
    with that client creates time feels one
  • 00:17:13
    way and I'd imagine when you and the
  • 00:17:16
    team freed up from that worked with
  • 00:17:19
    other clients replaced the revenue did
  • 00:17:22
    work you love for people that you
  • 00:17:23
    enjoyed being around that you
  • 00:17:26
    experienced I'll say that work but also
  • 00:17:29
    probably life a little differently is
  • 00:17:32
    that a stretch oh no that's it and again
  • 00:17:36
    back to hiring the best boss you can
  • 00:17:38
    this idea of being a working creative
  • 00:17:41
    has two parts number one you got to pay
  • 00:17:43
    the bills because when you run out of
  • 00:17:44
    money you're out but number two you have
  • 00:17:48
    to make it worth doing when you run out
  • 00:17:50
    of time you're also out so don't run out
  • 00:17:53
    of money and don't run out of time but
  • 00:17:54
    the way you run out of time is by
  • 00:17:56
    wasting time doing tasks ask S as
  • 00:18:00
    opposed to your craft your art and
  • 00:18:03
    making a change happen so strategy
  • 00:18:05
    begins with a very simple two part two
  • 00:18:09
    questions one who exactly am I here for
  • 00:18:12
    and what is the change I seek to make so
  • 00:18:14
    the who isn't someone's name necessarily
  • 00:18:17
    it's what do they believe what do they
  • 00:18:18
    seek what do they want so in Chicago
  • 00:18:22
    there's a really great dive bar bar that
  • 00:18:24
    looks like it's out of a movie called
  • 00:18:25
    The Green Mill and I'm not sure if
  • 00:18:28
    Patricia's still there
  • 00:18:29
    but for years and years on Mondays this
  • 00:18:32
    bar basically gave themselves over to
  • 00:18:34
    Patricia Barber Patricia Barber is a
  • 00:18:37
    worldclass jazz pianist and her Trio
  • 00:18:40
    would come and play for five or six
  • 00:18:43
    hours every Monday and the time I went
  • 00:18:46
    there the guy sitting next to me had
  • 00:18:47
    flown in from Mumbai for the show now
  • 00:18:50
    there's only a hundred people in the
  • 00:18:54
    room it's Patricia's living room and she
  • 00:18:56
    gets to do her work no one is in the
  • 00:18:59
    back going Play
  • 00:19:00
    Freebird because they are there for her
  • 00:19:04
    and she's there for them and there are
  • 00:19:07
    other Jazz musicians maybe who have
  • 00:19:09
    plenty of skill who instead just do
  • 00:19:12
    whatever is next on their gig sheet and
  • 00:19:15
    they're not having the same sort of
  • 00:19:17
    magic and the same sort of career cuz
  • 00:19:19
    she picked her customers and they didn't
  • 00:19:22
    when you pick your customers you pick
  • 00:19:24
    your future it feels there's someone
  • 00:19:26
    listening right now for whom that feels
  • 00:19:28
    like like a thousand miles away because
  • 00:19:31
    there's a lot of desperation between
  • 00:19:34
    where they are and where they feel like
  • 00:19:35
    they could be in choosing their
  • 00:19:39
    customers rather than their customers
  • 00:19:41
    choosing them and that's a scary Gap yep
  • 00:19:46
    so strategically speaking what's the
  • 00:19:50
    first step in helping people besides
  • 00:19:52
    this the awareness because let's assume
  • 00:19:54
    that the awareness is this right what's
  • 00:19:56
    the First Step Beyond the awareness that
  • 00:19:59
    oh my God I need to
  • 00:20:02
    choose my clients and choose them
  • 00:20:05
    intelligently and that's actually the
  • 00:20:07
    difference between where I am now where
  • 00:20:08
    I want to be so pressfield's resistance
  • 00:20:11
    is key here yeah because if you're on
  • 00:20:13
    the hook then you are responsible you
  • 00:20:17
    and I have both seen portfolios from
  • 00:20:19
    photographers who say well under
  • 00:20:21
    circumstances the best I could do
  • 00:20:23
    because this is what the client
  • 00:20:24
    wanted okay where's the work you did
  • 00:20:27
    when you were the client
  • 00:20:29
    right go go find a nonprofit and say I'm
  • 00:20:31
    going to do a portfolio shoot for you
  • 00:20:34
    and for free and this is what I'm going
  • 00:20:36
    to make right where's the work when you
  • 00:20:39
    were busking on a street corner and
  • 00:20:41
    could play any songs you wanted what did
  • 00:20:43
    that sound like and being able to say I
  • 00:20:48
    made this and not have to explain how
  • 00:20:50
    much you got paid for it begins this
  • 00:20:53
    journey of what do you actually stand
  • 00:20:56
    for and who are you going to turn away
  • 00:20:59
    when we turn someone away we're not
  • 00:21:00
    insulting them particularly if we send
  • 00:21:02
    them to a worthy peer we're just saying
  • 00:21:05
    I get you I see what you want that's not
  • 00:21:07
    what we do we do this but it's very
  • 00:21:11
    scary to say we do this I was at a
  • 00:21:13
    wedding a couple weeks ago and they had
  • 00:21:15
    a standard Long Island DJ uh I don't
  • 00:21:18
    know why and
  • 00:21:21
    um it was right out of a bad movie so
  • 00:21:24
    ladies and gentlemen meet the family the
  • 00:21:26
    bride and groom and then they play We
  • 00:21:27
    Are Family
  • 00:21:29
    like you became a DJ to do
  • 00:21:32
    that and so even when people like that
  • 00:21:37
    have the freedom to innovate they don't
  • 00:21:40
    because they've been so browbeaten by
  • 00:21:42
    nervous clients and they don't have
  • 00:21:45
    enough Cycles under their belt to say no
  • 00:21:47
    no I'm doing it this way trust me and
  • 00:21:51
    that is why you set out to do this in
  • 00:21:53
    the first place but you forgot how much
  • 00:21:54
    of this is about forgetting who we are
  • 00:21:58
    yeah
  • 00:21:59
    happens to me happens to me all the time
  • 00:22:02
    yeah and you know again that I I
  • 00:22:05
    I part of when I first started reading
  • 00:22:09
    the book it was like what am I reading
  • 00:22:13
    here and then I it hit me like a truck
  • 00:22:15
    it's like this this is the it's
  • 00:22:19
    basically a road map for all the
  • 00:22:21
    important questions that we have
  • 00:22:23
    forgotten to ask
  • 00:22:25
    ourselves like why am I doing this
  • 00:22:29
    what am I actually doing here you know I
  • 00:22:32
    writing a book is one thing but writing
  • 00:22:34
    a book starts out with writing a
  • 00:22:36
    sentence and writing a you know a
  • 00:22:37
    journal entry and you know that to me
  • 00:22:40
    that's part of what so many um people in
  • 00:22:44
    my community we lose track we forget to
  • 00:22:47
    ask ourselves the most important
  • 00:22:49
    questions and we're halfway down you
  • 00:22:51
    know halfway through a a weekend of just
  • 00:22:54
    non-stop working or we're halfway
  • 00:22:55
    through with the project or we're
  • 00:22:56
    halfway through and we haven't even
  • 00:23:00
    like we haven't even asked ourselves the
  • 00:23:03
    most important questions and it's just
  • 00:23:06
    it's a sort of like there's an Awakening
  • 00:23:08
    that I felt in this book
  • 00:23:11
    that I guess if this book is there to
  • 00:23:15
    remind us you know what else can we do
  • 00:23:18
    to remember this is all this stuff that
  • 00:23:21
    is simple but not easy yeah that that
  • 00:23:24
    that whenever you start something you
  • 00:23:26
    should ask these fundamental questions
  • 00:23:28
    how do we how do we like embed this in
  • 00:23:32
    our psychology in our process so that we
  • 00:23:35
    stop making the same mistakes of just
  • 00:23:38
    doing stuff without thinking about it
  • 00:23:40
    okay so there's two surprising twists in
  • 00:23:42
    the story now and the first one is
  • 00:23:46
    empathy that often someone who sees
  • 00:23:50
    themselves as a Creator begins with a
  • 00:23:53
    lack of empathy this is the song in my
  • 00:23:55
    head I'm going to play it and I should
  • 00:23:59
    get picked by Columbia Records that this
  • 00:24:02
    is the painting I made and I'm going to
  • 00:24:04
    paint it and a collector should buy it I
  • 00:24:07
    am projecting on other people what they
  • 00:24:10
    should want and when we start out that
  • 00:24:13
    way we are almost always punched in the
  • 00:24:15
    face
  • 00:24:16
    repeatedly because the world says
  • 00:24:19
    Nah because we're not them and they're
  • 00:24:23
    not us and the second part of it which
  • 00:24:27
    goes with the first part is T that if
  • 00:24:29
    we're going to try to make a change
  • 00:24:31
    happen we have to intentionally create
  • 00:24:34
    tension fear of missing out fear of
  • 00:24:37
    being left behind fear of you might not
  • 00:24:40
    get in when we put those two things
  • 00:24:42
    together what we see is that to do
  • 00:24:45
    creative work is to do something that
  • 00:24:46
    doesn't feel easy for most people which
  • 00:24:50
    is create the conditions with empathy
  • 00:24:53
    for people to feel the tension that
  • 00:24:56
    causes them to say yes M so if you're a
  • 00:25:00
    a graphic artist and you uh are waiting
  • 00:25:04
    to get picked by a gallerist on in SoHo
  • 00:25:06
    in New York so you can be famous they're
  • 00:25:09
    not going to pick you because they got a
  • 00:25:11
    long list of people who know how to
  • 00:25:13
    paint in front of you and they're not
  • 00:25:14
    going to pick you on the other hand if
  • 00:25:18
    you're shepher fairy and you start
  • 00:25:22
    putting uh posters all around so often
  • 00:25:25
    that you get arrested 30 times and then
  • 00:25:27
    you create the iconography for one of
  • 00:25:30
    the most important presidential
  • 00:25:31
    elections in history the gallerists
  • 00:25:34
    start calling
  • 00:25:35
    you because you created the conditions
  • 00:25:38
    for them to get what they want which is
  • 00:25:40
    a piece of somebody who stands for
  • 00:25:42
    something and so Shephard's tactics
  • 00:25:45
    aren't the point here the point is
  • 00:25:49
    you're not going to get picked by The
  • 00:25:51
    Establishment to have a job without a
  • 00:25:52
    boss but you can invent your own
  • 00:25:55
    establishment by creating the situation
  • 00:25:58
    where the people you seek to serve show
  • 00:26:01
    up and say oh I'm glad you're here yeah
  • 00:26:04
    I don't know anybody who speaks in like
  • 00:26:07
    I mean let's just let's just be real
  • 00:26:09
    like you you write in these
  • 00:26:12
    like the most poignant like laser beam
  • 00:26:16
    and this is one of my favorite I'll just
  • 00:26:17
    give a little context here so the book
  • 00:26:20
    has no page numbers folks it has only
  • 00:26:23
    stories essentially um what would you
  • 00:26:26
    call them would you call each one of
  • 00:26:28
    those a story or how you riffs okay
  • 00:26:31
    riffs yeah riffs so they're all there's
  • 00:26:34
    uh they're they're numbered by riffs and
  • 00:26:38
    each of these 297 of them 297 that's
  • 00:26:42
    right uh 297 of them and each of these
  • 00:26:46
    riffs it if you think he just writes
  • 00:26:49
    like that then you have a conversation
  • 00:26:51
    like this and you realize that Seth
  • 00:26:53
    talks in in riffs that are every one of
  • 00:26:56
    its own could be an entire blog post or
  • 00:26:59
    an entire podcast episode um can you
  • 00:27:03
    tell me why you decided to just you know
  • 00:27:06
    if form follows function or function
  • 00:27:08
    follows form like what what's what's
  • 00:27:10
    your argument for why the I mean first
  • 00:27:13
    of all I think it's freaking genius but
  • 00:27:15
    how did you land on this and I remember
  • 00:27:17
    sitting at the cafe and in on the upper
  • 00:27:20
    west side and you're like I don't have
  • 00:27:21
    page numbers and I was like what and
  • 00:27:25
    then of course it makes perfect sense
  • 00:27:26
    you don't need page numbers because
  • 00:27:28
    you know you just it's like you have
  • 00:27:31
    page numbers but within the text all
  • 00:27:32
    right so context there what
  • 00:27:36
    why uh riffs and not do it in an obvious
  • 00:27:40
    order with an obvious table of contents
  • 00:27:43
    so if you think about how you learned
  • 00:27:45
    about the vegetables your mom did not
  • 00:27:48
    say when you were three today's
  • 00:27:49
    vegetable day and start with artichokes
  • 00:27:52
    and work her way through to zucchini
  • 00:27:55
    what happened was over the course of
  • 00:27:56
    years you bumped into different
  • 00:27:58
    vegetables that's the way we learn
  • 00:28:00
    everything we learn things in layers not
  • 00:28:03
    all the things in one category so I was
  • 00:28:06
    writing about systems but I needed to
  • 00:28:07
    talk about games and I was writing about
  • 00:28:09
    games but I need to talk about empathy
  • 00:28:10
    so I'm like I'm not going to force
  • 00:28:12
    myself into a taxonomy here I'm going to
  • 00:28:15
    teach people the way many people learn
  • 00:28:18
    then the second thing was uh for your
  • 00:28:22
    amazing book for my book for lots of
  • 00:28:24
    books more than half the sales are
  • 00:28:26
    either Kindle or audiobook M there are
  • 00:28:29
    no page numbers on the Kindle and there
  • 00:28:31
    are no page numbers on an Audi book so
  • 00:28:33
    how are you going to talk to somebody
  • 00:28:35
    about the Riff number 147 so I'm going
  • 00:28:38
    to number riff 147 and by taking out the
  • 00:28:41
    page numbers I was trying to send a
  • 00:28:43
    signal that says
  • 00:28:46
    please you know order by number tell me
  • 00:28:48
    which riff you want to talk about let's
  • 00:28:50
    talk about that one when you talked
  • 00:28:53
    about um systems for example systems
  • 00:28:58
    thinking I I think of you as a
  • 00:29:01
    very systemic thinker like when we have
  • 00:29:05
    a
  • 00:29:05
    conversation there's almost always a
  • 00:29:08
    framework for that conversation there's
  • 00:29:10
    context there's know all this
  • 00:29:13
    scaffolding around it which you know I
  • 00:29:16
    think this is the secret to the most
  • 00:29:18
    creative people I know that they work
  • 00:29:19
    within a framework and that's what
  • 00:29:21
    allows the creativity to flow and
  • 00:29:24
    yet you know you could when then when
  • 00:29:27
    you when you think think of that there's
  • 00:29:28
    299 riffs like that doesn't feel like a
  • 00:29:32
    framework where is the um the nice
  • 00:29:35
    little tidy what is it called when you
  • 00:29:38
    have the first letter of starts with
  • 00:29:40
    uh like my framework for Creative
  • 00:29:43
    calling was idea imagine design like
  • 00:29:46
    that's that's like Scaffolding in a
  • 00:29:49
    nutshell and you are the most sort of
  • 00:29:52
    one of the most structured thinkers that
  • 00:29:53
    I know and the book has essentially no
  • 00:29:57
    scaffolding
  • 00:29:58
    yeah how do we reconcile those things
  • 00:30:00
    it's a it's a great point and first to
  • 00:30:03
    anyone who's ever had a conversation
  • 00:30:04
    with me I apologize if I'm annoying
  • 00:30:07
    because sometimes it's annoying that
  • 00:30:08
    someone has to have a structure totally
  • 00:30:11
    but uh the mini scaffolding is that
  • 00:30:14
    strategy has four components and I talk
  • 00:30:17
    about that repeatedly what the four
  • 00:30:19
    components are but what I found is the
  • 00:30:24
    amount of throat clearing and hand
  • 00:30:26
    waving I had to do to articulate the
  • 00:30:30
    framework was the
  • 00:30:32
    book and um in you know I've had conver
  • 00:30:36
    I've had conversations about this book a
  • 00:30:38
    lot lately with some very sophisticated
  • 00:30:41
    and some very unsophisticated people and
  • 00:30:45
    I'm constantly amazed at how often
  • 00:30:47
    they're surprised by the stuff I'm
  • 00:30:49
    talking about and it feels to me like a
  • 00:30:54
    framework is most useful when we're
  • 00:30:57
    talking about something that isn't
  • 00:30:59
    surprising like if I was going to
  • 00:31:01
    analyze bass
  • 00:31:03
    fishing I think the framework of pick
  • 00:31:06
    your Lake pick your lure pick your boat
  • 00:31:09
    pick your time of day we could like
  • 00:31:11
    break it all down because I don't have
  • 00:31:12
    to explain to you what a fish is but
  • 00:31:14
    what I discovered here is there was so
  • 00:31:16
    little common understanding of what I
  • 00:31:19
    was talking about that laying out the
  • 00:31:22
    framework wasn't providing
  • 00:31:24
    scaffolding and this is a challenge
  • 00:31:27
    because if my goal was to sell as many
  • 00:31:29
    books as possible I put way too many
  • 00:31:33
    ideas in one book the best way to sell
  • 00:31:35
    as many books as possible is to tell
  • 00:31:37
    people things they already know and make
  • 00:31:39
    it a really clear uh framework that they
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    can tell their friends and I am long
  • 00:31:46
    past trying to sell as many books as
  • 00:31:48
    possible I'm like this is too much work
  • 00:31:50
    to do that I just want to write a great
  • 00:31:51
    book but here's the twist that I just
  • 00:31:54
    have to put an exclamation point behind
  • 00:31:56
    is like this is we're tired of the
  • 00:31:58
    former yeah like this for this is this
  • 00:32:01
    is like really interesting food for an
  • 00:32:04
    interested brain because the linear uh
  • 00:32:08
    framework that I could recite at a
  • 00:32:10
    cocktail party is to me is positively
  • 00:32:13
    uninteresting and I will just say like I
  • 00:32:15
    I went away from that I did that in 2019
  • 00:32:18
    and I didn't do it in my most recent
  • 00:32:19
    book but this is sort of like that on
  • 00:32:21
    steroids for the creative uh interested
  • 00:32:24
    curious person the what's coming next I
  • 00:32:27
    have no idea is absolutely intoxicating
  • 00:32:31
    to me that's part of what makes it a a
  • 00:32:33
    page Turner you know rarely are business
  • 00:32:36
    books page Turners and I don't even know
  • 00:32:39
    this like I wouldn't even say this is a
  • 00:32:41
    business book like that's I don't even
  • 00:32:42
    know what category it is what byc code
  • 00:32:44
    it doesn't matter but like how do you
  • 00:32:47
    think of this book like do you think of
  • 00:32:48
    it as a business book do you think of it
  • 00:32:50
    as it's sort of like a life book for me
  • 00:32:52
    but what you know how do you think about
  • 00:32:54
    it on on a good day I see myself as an
  • 00:32:57
    optometrist or an optician or something
  • 00:32:59
    like that uh there's a book Keith jstone
  • 00:33:02
    wrote in the early 1960s called
  • 00:33:05
    impro and I strongly recommend it Keith
  • 00:33:08
    uh who just passed away a couple months
  • 00:33:11
    ago uh was a teacher of theater and he
  • 00:33:15
    articulated a thesis his thesis is every
  • 00:33:18
    interaction in the theater is like every
  • 00:33:21
    interaction real life it's about
  • 00:33:23
    status at the end of every scene every
  • 00:33:26
    interaction someone's going to move up
  • 00:33:28
    and someone's going to move down and if
  • 00:33:30
    you watch the videos of world leaders
  • 00:33:33
    hand shaking you see an example of this
  • 00:33:36
    who won the handshake what's all of it
  • 00:33:39
    as soon as you are 25 pages into that
  • 00:33:42
    book you will never see the world again
  • 00:33:44
    the same
  • 00:33:45
    way that's what that's what I'm going
  • 00:33:48
    for right that was my experience exactly
  • 00:33:50
    I think I said that before you said it
  • 00:33:52
    right so like you know once you get the
  • 00:33:55
    joke then my work is done and you got it
  • 00:33:58
    and you don't need my help anymore you
  • 00:34:00
    can run with it and so many people in my
  • 00:34:03
    life around the world work I've done
  • 00:34:06
    with Acumen in multiple continents
  • 00:34:08
    didn't get the joke and you know I'll
  • 00:34:11
    give you uh an example uh there is a uh
  • 00:34:16
    chain of hospitals in India called
  • 00:34:18
    Lifespring and in India if you are a
  • 00:34:22
    pregnant mom you have two choices you
  • 00:34:25
    can go to a private hospital where
  • 00:34:26
    you'll have to uh pay an enormous amount
  • 00:34:29
    of money or you go to a public Hospital
  • 00:34:31
    which isn't particularly sanitary and
  • 00:34:33
    you have to pay bribes and what
  • 00:34:35
    Lifespring did is they in created a
  • 00:34:38
    hospital where the price list is right
  • 00:34:40
    on the front door when you walk in it's
  • 00:34:42
    spotlessly clean and it cost about $25
  • 00:34:45
    to have a baby and their outcomes are
  • 00:34:48
    extraordinary it's an obvious choice so
  • 00:34:51
    I got there when they were about 2 years
  • 00:34:53
    old and they just weren't
  • 00:34:56
    full and they were what tactics should
  • 00:34:58
    we use what tactics should we use how do
  • 00:35:00
    we get and I said who's your customer
  • 00:35:03
    and they pointed to like the pregnant
  • 00:35:05
    lady said what are you an idiot you
  • 00:35:06
    didn't go to health class when you were
  • 00:35:08
    six that's our customer and I said I
  • 00:35:12
    don't think that's your customer I think
  • 00:35:14
    your customer is her
  • 00:35:15
    mother-in-law I think your her
  • 00:35:17
    mother-in-law is the one who is making
  • 00:35:19
    the decision about what hospital she's
  • 00:35:21
    going to give birth to the grandchild
  • 00:35:23
    in and they you could just see everyone
  • 00:35:26
    in the room like I'm some stranger some
  • 00:35:29
    white guy who's never been what am I and
  • 00:35:31
    they like of course like of
  • 00:35:35
    course and they everything they did
  • 00:35:37
    after that shifted and it dramatically
  • 00:35:40
    changed the enrollment in the hospital
  • 00:35:43
    because they understood something about
  • 00:35:46
    strategy and that's what we're trying to
  • 00:35:49
    do here if we're doing good work like I
  • 00:35:51
    hope people who are doing evil work
  • 00:35:53
    don't read this but if you're doing good
  • 00:35:55
    work you need to see that cuz otherwise
  • 00:35:57
    you're going to waste all your time
  • 00:35:58
    marketing to pregnant ladies yeah that
  • 00:36:00
    goes back to the in the business on the
  • 00:36:02
    business the just awareness of this
  • 00:36:05
    and
  • 00:36:07
    potentially
  • 00:36:09
    uh one of the biggest strengths of the
  • 00:36:12
    cover of your book in addition to this
  • 00:36:15
    awesome photo of you in the middle of
  • 00:36:17
    the O of Goden um and I think you know
  • 00:36:21
    how many books you got like 19
  • 00:36:22
    bestsellers now is that right something
  • 00:36:25
    like that but that I like that your name
  • 00:36:26
    is large but this little line right here
  • 00:36:29
    in the middle for the people who are uh
  • 00:36:31
    listening instead of watching the
  • 00:36:33
    subhead is make better
  • 00:36:36
    plans to me this is the punchline that
  • 00:36:41
    if we're going to draw a circle around
  • 00:36:43
    what matters in this book it's and what
  • 00:36:45
    matters to you as why you would care
  • 00:36:47
    about reading this book is you can
  • 00:36:50
    imagine if you are working or the
  • 00:36:52
    analogy you often use or you have used
  • 00:36:54
    in the past if you are climbing the
  • 00:36:56
    wrong Mountain you're you're doing great
  • 00:36:57
    at climbing but if you're climbing the
  • 00:36:59
    wrong Mountain what are you doing yeah
  • 00:37:02
    this idea of making better plans like
  • 00:37:05
    who are you at your core what is your
  • 00:37:07
    vision what is your mission who are you
  • 00:37:09
    serving you start answering some of
  • 00:37:11
    these questions and making plans that
  • 00:37:13
    are in line with what you really want to
  • 00:37:15
    do who you really are that makes all the
  • 00:37:19
    difference in the world I don't even
  • 00:37:21
    know how to like I can't say it any more
  • 00:37:24
    bluntly that that is why you have to get
  • 00:37:27
    get this book cuz if you're climbing the
  • 00:37:29
    wrong mountain right now and many of you
  • 00:37:30
    who are listening or watching are I've
  • 00:37:33
    climbed the wrong Mountain many times in
  • 00:37:34
    my life and I've done it as with like as
  • 00:37:37
    recent as you know six months ago I was
  • 00:37:39
    climbing the wrong mountain with a
  • 00:37:41
    different book that I was writing I've
  • 00:37:43
    climbed the wrong Mountain I know how
  • 00:37:45
    freaking painful it can be and this
  • 00:37:48
    making the right plans to clme the right
  • 00:37:50
    mountain is
  • 00:37:53
    transformational wow thank you by the
  • 00:37:55
    way yeah thank you for writing this book
  • 00:37:58
    today is your best chance to improve
  • 00:38:01
    tomorrow there another winning uh thing
  • 00:38:05
    from the out from the the back cover
  • 00:38:07
    here um and the last one is one of my
  • 00:38:10
    faves you're not you're not stuck in
  • 00:38:13
    traffic you are traffic I was literally
  • 00:38:16
    gonna say that my then the takeaway here
  • 00:38:18
    this is like you're not say think about
  • 00:38:20
    that again you're not sitting in traffic
  • 00:38:23
    you are traffic Seth anything else where
  • 00:38:26
    you'd steer us because uh I know that
  • 00:38:28
    this is you're always doing independent
  • 00:38:29
    Renegade things with your books uh where
  • 00:38:32
    do we get this what's the best place for
  • 00:38:34
    if you'd point us to any uh so many
  • 00:38:37
    Renegade things that were fun to do on
  • 00:38:39
    this one I made a collectible chocolate
  • 00:38:40
    bar with our friends at Asin noi
  • 00:38:42
    chocolate the rapper alone is worth the
  • 00:38:45
    price and a strategy deck anyway you
  • 00:38:47
    find them all at seth.
  • 00:38:50
    blog which stands for this is strategy
  • 00:38:52
    and um I really truly mean it I am not
  • 00:38:56
    in the book selling business it's fine
  • 00:38:57
    with me if people never buy one of my
  • 00:39:00
    books I just want them to talk about it
  • 00:39:02
    and that's why the real work the worth
  • 00:39:05
    while work is writing a book good enough
  • 00:39:08
    to be worthy of sharing with Chase
  • 00:39:10
    because if I can have a conversation
  • 00:39:11
    like this with you and other people
  • 00:39:13
    start having this conversation that's my
  • 00:39:16
    role that's my that's my calling one of
  • 00:39:19
    my favorite people in the whole world to
  • 00:39:21
    talk to is Seth Goden and Seth thank you
  • 00:39:25
    so much uh I cherish every one of our
  • 00:39:27
    our conversations you've been a Guiding
  • 00:39:29
    Light to me in so many ways if you've
  • 00:39:31
    read my new book you know that Seth is
  • 00:39:33
    in there two different times giving me
  • 00:39:36
    like massive insight and
  • 00:39:38
    transformational awareness uh of stuff
  • 00:39:41
    that's sitting right in front of me but
  • 00:39:43
    Seth sees it when I don't um thank you
  • 00:39:45
    thank you for being a friend a mentor
  • 00:39:47
    writing This brilliant book your 1928
  • 00:39:50
    24th I don't know how many books you've
  • 00:39:52
    written but make better plans this is
  • 00:39:54
    strategy Seth Goden everyone thank you
  • 00:39:56
    so much Seth for being on the show
  • 00:39:58
    you're always welcome here and to
  • 00:40:00
    everybody out there who has the book you
  • 00:40:02
    don't have this version I'm just going
  • 00:40:05
    to say you're just gonna say look at my
  • 00:40:08
    just got you have the you are the only
  • 00:40:10
    person on the planet who has that
  • 00:40:12
    version I think I I a couple times I
  • 00:40:14
    just sent you Snippets I like to read in
  • 00:40:16
    the morning before my day gets away from
  • 00:40:19
    me and there's so many beautiful
  • 00:40:22
    beautiful uh riffs in here thanks for
  • 00:40:24
    being a guest on the show the book is
  • 00:40:26
    this is strategy Seth go everyone
  • 00:40:28
    appreciate you friend thanks for being
  • 00:40:29
    on the show
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