Albanese VS Dutton | The Debate

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Resumen

TLDRThe debate featured candidates discussing key political issues such as government spending, public services, climate change, and energy policies. They critiqued each other's positions, particularly on the efficiency of taxpayer money and the role of consultants in government. The candidates presented differing views on education, healthcare, and the economy, with one advocating for increased funding and the other criticizing past cuts. Humorous exchanges added a light-hearted tone to the serious discussions, while they also addressed Australia's international relations, particularly with the US and China. Overall, the debate showcased the candidates' contrasting styles and visions for the future.

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  • ✈️ The speaker is flying to Melbourne for shows.
  • 🎤 Highlights from a recent political debate were shared.
  • 💰 Discussion on the efficiency of taxpayer money.
  • 📊 Candidates debated the role of consultants in government.
  • 🌍 Climate change and energy policies were key topics.
  • 🏫 Education funding and healthcare were discussed.
  • 🤝 International relations, especially with the US and China, were addressed.
  • 😂 Humorous exchanges added a light-hearted tone to the debate.
  • 📉 Candidates presented differing views on managing the economy.
  • 🗳️ The debate showcased contrasting visions for Australia's future.

Cronología

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The speaker humorously addresses the audience, suggesting that if they are watching, it means something has gone wrong, either he is dead or in Melbourne for shows. He mentions the wild night they had watching a debate and introduces the highlights of the debate in a fun, chopped manner, encouraging engagement.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The speaker critiques the use of consultants in the public service, arguing that they are often just 'yes men' and that the government spends taxpayer money inefficiently. He highlights the excessive spending on consultants compared to the public service and emphasizes the need for efficiency in government spending.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    The debate shifts to the topic of foreign aid and public service funding. The speaker argues that frontline positions should be protected and questions the opposition's ability to identify inefficiencies in government spending, suggesting that cuts to essential services like health and education have long-term negative impacts.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    The speaker discusses the importance of affordable childcare, arguing that it is essential for economic productivity and the development of children. He criticizes the debate format for being unproductive and highlights the significance of universal childcare as a major achievement of the current government.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    The speaker emphasizes the importance of energy in the economy and discusses the need for a domestic gas reserve to reduce costs. He argues for a balanced approach to energy that includes renewables and criticizes the opposition's reliance on nuclear energy without addressing the current energy crisis.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    The discussion turns to climate change, with the speaker acknowledging its impacts and the need for action. He argues that the government must invest in renewable energy and address the costs associated with climate change, while also critiquing the opposition's stance on the issue.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    The speaker highlights the importance of diplomatic relations, particularly with Indonesia, and criticizes the opposition for their lack of understanding of international relations. He emphasizes the need for a stable and respectful relationship with neighboring countries.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:50:01

    The debate concludes with closing statements from both candidates, where the speaker reiterates the government's achievements and plans for the future, contrasting them with the opposition's record and proposals. He calls for support from the audience, emphasizing the importance of the upcoming election.

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  • What was the main topic of the debate?

    The debate covered various political issues including government spending, public services, climate change, and energy policies.

  • What did the candidates say about consultants in government?

    They discussed the inefficiency of using consultants and the high costs associated with them.

  • How did the candidates view climate change?

    One candidate accepted the science of climate change and emphasized action, while the other was more skeptical.

  • What were the candidates' positions on education?

    One candidate advocated for increased funding and support for education, while the other criticized past cuts.

  • What was mentioned about energy policies?

    The debate included discussions on renewable energy, nuclear power, and the need for energy security.

  • How did the candidates address the economy?

    They presented differing views on managing the economy, with one promising tax reductions and the other focusing on sustainable growth.

  • What was said about Australia's international relations?

    The candidates discussed their approaches to international relations, particularly with the US and China.

  • What humorous exchanges occurred during the debate?

    There were several light-hearted jabs and critiques between the candidates, adding a comedic element to the serious topics.

  • What was the candidates' stance on healthcare?

    One candidate emphasized strengthening Medicare, while the other pointed to past attempts to cut healthcare funding.

  • What was the overall tone of the debate?

    The debate had a mix of serious discussions and humorous exchanges, highlighting the candidates' contrasting styles.

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  • 00:00:00
    hello If you're watching this recording
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    then I'm dead Or in Melbourne I just got
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    up I'm flying there now But you know if
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    it crashes then this might be the last
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    time that we ever see each other The
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    reason that I am going to Melbourne is
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    because I'm doing some shows there I've
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    got very few tickets left You can get
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    them You can also get tickets to Port
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    McQuary and Sydney The point is we had a
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    wild night last night That's right We
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    watched the debate together on the
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    stream and we decided to post the
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    highlights to you in very chopped
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    fashion So here's the rules Have fun How
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    could you not and second can you not be
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    so cruel to me oh friendly Jordy's got a
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    fact wrong when he's talking prompts you
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    for 4 hours Actually wait Do be cruel
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    It's just more engagement for
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    me Working their guts out working second
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    third jobs paying tax I want to make
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    sure that that taxpayer dollar is being
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    spent efficiently where you balloon the
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    public service in CRA That is not an
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    efficient use of taxpayers money And you
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    know what is an efficient use of
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    taxpayer money paying double the amount
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    for consultants to do exactly the same
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    thing There's a couple of reasons that
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    they use consultants Just so you know
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    The first one is that a consultant is a
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    yes man in the public service They'll
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    say because they're all little but that
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    doesn't tick up with the bucks that I
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    had I needed to tick up with the bucks
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    It doesn't tick up with the bucks And so
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    they'll stop you from doing a bunch of
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    the insane things say also when you are
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    in the public service you are usually
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    way too good for the private sector You
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    go into the public service usually you
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    have some sort of civic duty and that's
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    not worth as much as money to you if
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    you're a complete sellout You go into
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    the consultancy world and you would get
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    more of what you're listening to You get
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    paid double the amount Literally you get
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    paid double the amount We've kind of
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    figured it out from looking at the
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    United States and the UK of what happens
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    when you decimate the public service
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    That's what happens And here's the other
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    thing All of the orders saying we need
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    our own Doge We need our Doge If you
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    need your Doge you're looking at it
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    right here with you know the Italian
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    stallion over here Mr Albani You know
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    how much the Liberals spent on
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    consultants 20 billion $20 billion What
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    was it maybe three Gonskis I'm going to
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    have to go back and check what the price
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    was but I think we could all agree it's
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    a little bit more than I earn in a year
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    You know you want a Doge that gets rid
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    of government efficiency and red tape
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    The biggest red tape there is is
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    consultants Yes sometimes there is a use
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    for consultants Obviously you're
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    probably going to be spending a few
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    billion on it Not $20 billion You've
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    said a lot of areas where you won't What
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    about foreign aid would you cut foreign
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    aid we we we've said in relation to the
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    public service that we will protect
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    frontline positions which I think is
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    important uh incredibly important And
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    we've announced more funding for GPS
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    into general practice And there are many
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    other areas This is the question What do
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    you where we find inefficiency David and
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    it's not something you can do from
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    opposition to redesign uh the public
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    service and the way in which that
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    structure He's got a point there Yeah
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    there's things that you're certainly
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    limited to do at the opposition but you
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    would be able to say where you're going
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    to cut government is not that much of a
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    mystery If I wanted to cut government
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    services from not even the opposition
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    benches I'd be able to sit there and say
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    do we really need this fire is foreign
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    aid going to be cut well we haven't made
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    any announcements in relation to to
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    foreign aid And there's a lot of good
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    that we're doing in foreign aid And the
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    principle that we've had like any good
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    Liberal government like John Howard when
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    he came in in 96 after Keing had done so
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    much damage we will make sure that we're
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    spending taxpayers money efficiently And
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    whatever we can give back we will which
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    is why we've said that to deal with the
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    crisis that Anony's created just so you
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    know a big portion of why the Abene
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    government was able to accomplish two
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    out of three budget surpluses is because
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    he cut back on consultants The problem
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    is government doesn't go away It still
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    needs to be done Emergency services
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    still need to be coordinated Beams still
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    need to be built It's just who's going
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    to build them public servants or private
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    servants That's before they get to the
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    $600 billion they need for their nuclear
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    reactors Yeah I mean it it tell them off
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    your lips like it's true There are
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    agreements that they have Well he won't
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    say where the cuts will be It's vote for
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    me and just trust us We'll tell you
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    after the election Well we know what
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    happened last time The cuts came to
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    health They came to education $50
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    billion out of hospitals $30 billion out
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    of schools That's why a decade later
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    we're still trying to fix and repair the
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    damage that was done by that 2014 budget
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    He's definitely right Do you guys
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    remember that that was shocking Woeful
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    It is why education standards have
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    declined so much over the last decade
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    It's why we have this Medicare disaster
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    that we have now It's because they cut
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    an obscene about $80 billion of cuts
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    Like man they were doing a doge before
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    it was cool A lot of people say "Where's
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    the serious reform?" You know Keing
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    floating the dollar Howard's GST Mr
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    Albanzy what's the one big change you'd
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    like to be remembered for affordable
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    child care is one of the things that
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    we're doing Uh we've already uh did put
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    measures in place including in this term
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    we've get we'll get rid of the activity
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    test a three-day guarantee for child
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    care boosting infrastructure for
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    childare We want the universal provision
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    of affordable child care so that it is
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    as natural to have your child have
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    access to child care as it is to have
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    access to public school See this is why
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    I don't like the debate format Whenever
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    you look at debates especially
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    leadership debates unless you are
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    inconstit all the time it's all just
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    gibberish It makes a lot of sense why
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    what 7,000 people are watching this and
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    most of them are the fat catch and cam
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    are sitting there thinking am I going to
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    get fired is he going to win that's
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    mostly who's watching this stuff right
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    but I will say this it is a true crime
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    that Anthony Abenezy because of the
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    media bias that we have in this country
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    because the new media seems to just
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    reflect the old media they will not
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    acknowledge because they just keep need
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    everyone needs to keep up the narrative
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    that Labour's [ __ ] Labor never does
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    anything It sucks When in reality this
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    government passed three of the most
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    important social fabric holding together
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    aspects of this society that we have
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    Medicare introduced by Hawk Keading NDIS
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    introduced tentatively by the Gillard
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    government but really started by the RUD
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    government And now under Albanzy we have
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    universal childare The reason that
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    universal child care is so important is
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    it's an economic thing This is not about
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    lazy parents going there you go kids I'm
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    going golfing I mean sure they will be
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    doing that absolutely But the thing is
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    that when you have universal child care
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    you have more economic productivity You
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    have people that are able to get back
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    into the workforce quicker usually
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    otherwise you just have parents that
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    have to stay at home and look after the
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    kids right if they're good parents
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    otherwise they could just be neglectful
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    shitty parents But that's the other
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    thing that's really good about it It's
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    because early education is formative
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    years for the human brain And if you
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    have people there that are just
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    basically teachers for early education
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    go do you know what this color is and
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    they can't figure out what it is and
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    they go well maybe this one should go to
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    the dumb class You know that is very
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    good for the future of this country You
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    are fostering brains at the most pivotal
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    point You are creating a generation that
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    will be smarter than the last one
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    because you have universal child care
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    there to make sure that they are getting
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    the brain fuel that they need at that
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    age as opposed to just letting letting
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    the market decide which is whether you
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    have a [ __ ] parent or not University is
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    not the important thing to fund If
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    you're going to privatize anything in
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    the educational course structure that
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    would be the one that you would go I
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    mean it's obviously stupid to get rid of
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    any of it right but if you're going to
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    publicly fund things publicly funding
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    what you really want to do is early
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    education far more than you would want
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    like free university Early childhood
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    education is absolutely the priority out
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    of those And this guy wants to cut it
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    The ghoul in the corner again as he's
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    always doing lurking in the shadows
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    again Go daddy I mean I love him I do I
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    do honestly like how ghoulish he is This
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    is my turn to speak This guy he wants to
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    cut early childhood education This is a
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    massive labor accomplishment And again
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    no one knows this because when you are
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    watching one of these debates they just
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    get to say early childhood education 3
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    days guaranteed No one really stops to
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    think about what that really means for
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    the country Energy is the economy David
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    Everything we use everything around us
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    uh is either running or has been created
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    because of the use of energy Yeah Cole
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    does keep the light shine but it kind of
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    does you know like there's no modern
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    world without it So he's got us there
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    And also how good is this he is the
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    perfect spokesperson for energy is
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    everything because his head looks like a
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    light bulb Everything that we rely on in
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    our society in a modern society like
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    ours relies on energy And what we've
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    said is that we want to create an East
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    Coast gas reserve So that will bring gas
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    that we're exporting at the moment
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    beyond the foundation contracts back
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    into the domestic market If we do that
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    that increases supply It addresses
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    Labour's disastrous uh energy policy and
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    it will help bring the pressure cost
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    pressures down across society by the
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    independent analysis reduces the cost of
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    wholesale gas by 23% structural change
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    in the economy We go beyond that of
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    course as you know uh to deal with what
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    firms up the renewables as we go forward
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    which is a vision that Bob Hawk had for
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    our country that John Howard shared uh
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    and that I certainly strongly believe in
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    and that is a zero emissions nuclear
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    technology embraced by the Labor Party
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    in the United Kingdom It's embraced by
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    the French by many other countries
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    around the world In fact Australia is
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    the only one of the top 20 economies
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    that hasn't signed up to or isn't
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    already using Well is is that just to um
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    check the the reality on that there are
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    some other G20 economies that don't have
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    nuclear Well in Indonesia is one I think
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    that the ABC cited before and you've
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    seen the comments from the Indonesian
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    president that they are fully on board
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    with nuclear If you have a look at
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    what's happening in the UK Kia Starama
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    says the Labour prime minister there
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    says that they can't achieve their net
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    zero by 2050 targets without the use of
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    nuclear Yeah but buddy it's a completely
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    different ball game in the UK because
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    they have all of this investment and
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    infrastructure put into nuclear power
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    since what the 40s 50s It's also a
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    really shitty little drab island with no
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    sunlight whatsoever They've got the
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    coast that's really good for wind
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    There's a little difference between
  • 00:10:02
    Australia and the United Kingdom One is
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    that we're a lot bigger and two I don't
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    know if you figured this out from how
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    many skin cancers there are and also how
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    tanned these cats are Look at them It's
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    like they've been a salarium That's just
  • 00:10:15
    what everyone looks like in Australia
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    except me because I never go outside I'm
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    a friend of Kama And what Karma is
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    having to deal with is the blowout in
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    the costs of the Hinckley uh nuclear
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    plant It's now up to $90 billion for one
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    plant It is coming in 14 years late and
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    it's being built in a country that does
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    have a nuclear industry It's being built
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    by the world's largest nuclear energy
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    company from France That shows exactly
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    the problem And Karma wishes as do so
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    many people that they had the access
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    with the solar resources with the wind
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    resources with the space that we have
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    here in Australia to have renewables
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    backed by gas backed by hydro and backed
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    by batteries So this is the problem I
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    wish that the average Australian was
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    forced to watch the debates I don't
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    think that it would rush by with anyone
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    because I'm just thinking back to when I
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    wasn't that into politics and I'd watch
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    this and I'd say they both sound the
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    same I'm just getting a bit of vibe off
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    it But I think that you get the general
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    gist that Anthony Albanes has a
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    wellthoughtout answer whereas Dutton is
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    kind of just selling this pamphlet gloss
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    Labor is always just trying to address
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    problems in the real world and they are
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    saying these are the problems Yeah these
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    are the problems and this is the way
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    that we are going to go forward with
  • 00:11:32
    those problems What Peter Dutton is
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    trying to do is sell you a fantasy So
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    you can see that in the different
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    responses deliberate like he's one
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    person is trying to address reality
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    another person is trying to fudge it A
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    lot of people want more detail about
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    your plans Mr Dutton One of the concerns
  • 00:11:46
    is water Nuclear power needs a lot more
  • 00:11:49
    water than coal fired power Where will
  • 00:11:51
    the water come from well David there are
  • 00:11:52
    already water allocations to each of the
  • 00:11:54
    seven sites that we've located So coal
  • 00:11:56
    fire generation uses a lot of water Now
  • 00:11:58
    you need more we we've looked at the
  • 00:12:00
    water allocation for each of those sites
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    uh you don't think you need any more
  • 00:12:03
    than we're we're comfortable with with
  • 00:12:05
    the analysis that we've done Frontier
  • 00:12:07
    economics is the most pre-minent
  • 00:12:08
    economist on energy in this country used
  • 00:12:10
    by the Labour Party and this hasn't been
  • 00:12:12
    questioned or hasn't been uh disputed by
  • 00:12:16
    Chris Bowen or Anthony Albanesey or Jim
  • 00:12:18
    Charas The independent analysis says
  • 00:12:20
    that our model I really wish that we
  • 00:12:22
    could kill the word independent
  • 00:12:23
    Independent is right up there with left
  • 00:12:26
    right socialist progressive and the
  • 00:12:27
    other thing is everybody just says
  • 00:12:29
    independent because they like the idea
  • 00:12:30
    of identifying as an independent I've
  • 00:12:32
    seen the research on this Over the years
  • 00:12:34
    the amount of people that sign up as an
  • 00:12:36
    independent in the United States grows
  • 00:12:38
    and grows and grows and grows but they
  • 00:12:41
    still vote don't they and they still
  • 00:12:43
    vote in exactly the same patterns that
  • 00:12:45
    they always had The idea that people sit
  • 00:12:47
    there and just independently take in
  • 00:12:49
    information It's just it's complete fast
  • 00:12:51
    And I hate as well that independents can
  • 00:12:53
    just ride off the brand that they're
  • 00:12:54
    independent when they're completely
  • 00:12:55
    bought and sold by billionaires in
  • 00:12:57
    almost every case Right It is 263
  • 00:13:00
    billion less Well just let me finish
  • 00:13:02
    this point 263 billion less than the
  • 00:13:04
    government's own model So that makes the
  • 00:13:06
    government's model roughly 600 billion
  • 00:13:08
    Where's that coming from so if anything
  • 00:13:10
    it's you that actually cost 600 billion
  • 00:13:12
    according to my friends at a consultancy
  • 00:13:15
    firm and it's independent Just to be
  • 00:13:18
    clear you're saying no additional water
  • 00:13:20
    is required All those experts who say
  • 00:13:21
    you need more for nuclear David a couple
  • 00:13:24
    of points I mean we we could spend all
  • 00:13:26
    night on what I think is really yes but
  • 00:13:28
    but there are different depending on the
  • 00:13:30
    small modular reactor as well and
  • 00:13:32
    obviously the size of the reactor as to
  • 00:13:34
    this is the other thing I hate this
  • 00:13:36
    about the whole nuclear debate because
  • 00:13:37
    it's always just based on the premise of
  • 00:13:39
    technology that doesn't exist yet
  • 00:13:40
    science fiction that's how they get to
  • 00:13:42
    their conclusions here they imagine that
  • 00:13:44
    a reactor that isn't online anywhere and
  • 00:13:47
    is commercially operating anywhere on
  • 00:13:48
    planet earth is operating at some point
  • 00:13:50
    in the future greens and liberals do
  • 00:13:52
    this all the time they promise things
  • 00:13:54
    that they Oh they can't deliver If these
  • 00:13:56
    parties were companies the AC would drag
  • 00:13:58
    them to court for false advertising The
  • 00:14:00
    large reactors you're talking about in
  • 00:14:02
    Queensland you've got one plan for Cali
  • 00:14:04
    one for Tong They'd be large nuclear
  • 00:14:06
    reactors We we have looked at each of
  • 00:14:07
    the sites and we've done the analysis on
  • 00:14:10
    the water allocations that are there now
  • 00:14:11
    Sorry Are you saying they'd be small
  • 00:14:13
    modular reactors i'm saying that there
  • 00:14:14
    is a mix as we've said which starts in
  • 00:14:16
    2035 to 36 and you know it is destrates
  • 00:14:20
    when David Spears is flaming you He
  • 00:14:23
    signed up He signed up to nuclear power
  • 00:14:25
    for our submariners and the prime
  • 00:14:27
    minister again it's another example of
  • 00:14:29
    just complete dishonesty in a debate
  • 00:14:31
    which I think is worth having between
  • 00:14:32
    adults I'm just trying to get some
  • 00:14:34
    clarity on your plans here Mr Dutton
  • 00:14:35
    just a moment If local communities be
  • 00:14:37
    they local farmers or local communities
  • 00:14:39
    where you've earmarked these nuclear
  • 00:14:41
    plans to go if they say no what happens
  • 00:14:43
    do you override them well David the
  • 00:14:44
    Commonwealth obviously has powers uh and
  • 00:14:46
    we can exercise those powers if need be
  • 00:14:48
    But we can work with the state
  • 00:14:49
    governments in South Australia The South
  • 00:14:51
    Australian premier has been very clear
  • 00:14:53
    of his support for nuclear as many
  • 00:14:54
    figures within the union movement and in
  • 00:14:57
    the Labour party have as well You don't
  • 00:14:58
    override those We we'll work we'll work
  • 00:15:00
    to find consensus Commonwealth If we
  • 00:15:02
    can't find consensus then we'll do
  • 00:15:04
    what's in our country's best interest
  • 00:15:05
    Damn dude That is pretty goddamn baller
  • 00:15:09
    that I wasn't expecting Dutton to
  • 00:15:11
    outright say You got to give it to the
  • 00:15:13
    libs They do just say very threatening
  • 00:15:15
    things on a whim all the time They're
  • 00:15:17
    saying "If you don't like nukes too bad
  • 00:15:19
    We're building them anyway we're going
  • 00:15:20
    to override the powers of the stack When
  • 00:15:22
    it comes to the Labour Party they always
  • 00:15:24
    have to be really measured cuz they're
  • 00:15:25
    constantly scared of getting slammed by
  • 00:15:27
    the press all the time So they can't
  • 00:15:29
    ever say anything like that ever But I I
  • 00:15:31
    really hunger for the days of Keading
  • 00:15:33
    where it just be like "Nah [ __ ] you
  • 00:15:34
    We're going forward." Prime Minister
  • 00:15:36
    Well he dropped out the word green
  • 00:15:38
    hydrogen right this used to be the
  • 00:15:40
    underpinning the base load requirement
  • 00:15:42
    which now of course is not a commercial
  • 00:15:44
    reality Look in fairness to Dutton I
  • 00:15:45
    will say this The green hydrogen thing
  • 00:15:47
    has it's not a fantasy but it is not
  • 00:15:50
    commercially viable and nowhere near as
  • 00:15:52
    green as we thought the green hydrogen
  • 00:15:54
    would turn out to be The problem is and
  • 00:15:55
    I will say this yeah small modular
  • 00:15:57
    nuclear reactors thorium uh what's the
  • 00:16:01
    other one they're always doing fusion
  • 00:16:02
    these things have been talked about
  • 00:16:03
    since the 70s There's been no real
  • 00:16:05
    development on it really When it comes
  • 00:16:07
    to green hydrogen when it comes to even
  • 00:16:09
    carbon capture storage and all that kind
  • 00:16:10
    of stuff there has been advances in this
  • 00:16:13
    There is promise that this technology
  • 00:16:15
    will one day come forward But yes he is
  • 00:16:17
    correct in saying that it is not online
  • 00:16:19
    yet And if Anthony Albani is using that
  • 00:16:23
    as a foundation for his targets which I
  • 00:16:27
    don't think he is because there has been
  • 00:16:28
    a bunch of organizations that have come
  • 00:16:30
    out government and non-government that
  • 00:16:32
    have said no they are absolutely on
  • 00:16:34
    track for 82% renewable Maybe the
  • 00:16:35
    estimates are coming to sort of like
  • 00:16:37
    maybe an economic output that's going to
  • 00:16:38
    happen or something Look I I I think I
  • 00:16:40
    think Dutton might have a point on that
  • 00:16:42
    I I would have to double check but yes
  • 00:16:45
    if if there's a lot of underpinning on
  • 00:16:46
    green hydrogen it's not to where we
  • 00:16:48
    think it is What is is white hydrogen
  • 00:16:50
    which is farm mined in South Australia
  • 00:16:53
    which is going to be a big cash cow for
  • 00:16:55
    us at some elements of the renewables
  • 00:16:57
    roll out particularly offshore wind in
  • 00:16:58
    places like the Hunter in New South
  • 00:17:00
    Wales What do you say to those locals
  • 00:17:01
    and those local community concerns are
  • 00:17:03
    you overriding them as well well that's
  • 00:17:05
    why you need proper community
  • 00:17:06
    consultation and environmental approvals
  • 00:17:09
    Uh some of the concern is not real The
  • 00:17:13
    whales uh being unable to steer their
  • 00:17:17
    way around in the vast Pacific Ocean
  • 00:17:19
    around a wind tower Ah I thought you
  • 00:17:22
    cared about the whales You're lying
  • 00:17:24
    about the fact that they don't navigate
  • 00:17:26
    into the wind turbine and jump into it
  • 00:17:29
    and get chopped up like the birds
  • 00:17:32
    Classic elbow Our lie Benezi Can I make
  • 00:17:37
    this point peter won't say the fact I'm
  • 00:17:41
    just saying every every single state and
  • 00:17:46
    territory government none of them will
  • 00:17:48
    support it Not just the LMP the Liberal
  • 00:17:50
    Party here in New South Wales the
  • 00:17:52
    Liberal Party in Victoria don't support
  • 00:17:54
    it But that's not what's important The
  • 00:17:56
    most important thing is the private
  • 00:17:58
    sector won't back it That's why it has
  • 00:18:00
    to be Can I stick to your plans now Mr
  • 00:18:02
    Albanesey you and Chris Bowen keep
  • 00:18:05
    saying that renewables are the cheapest
  • 00:18:06
    form of power When will we see our power
  • 00:18:08
    bills come down they are You know what's
  • 00:18:10
    interesting i saw some AMO figures the
  • 00:18:13
    other day I can't remember how much it
  • 00:18:15
    is by but it was an astronomical amount
  • 00:18:17
    Your power bills have gone up under the
  • 00:18:18
    Liberals over the last 10 years by
  • 00:18:19
    something around the likes of 130% Under
  • 00:18:23
    Labor they've gone down 1.5% And this
  • 00:18:26
    during the global cost of living crisis
  • 00:18:29
    Now they said that they were going to
  • 00:18:30
    get your power bills down by I can't
  • 00:18:32
    remember what it was $250 something like
  • 00:18:34
    that But there was huge economic
  • 00:18:37
    headwinds that caused everything to go
  • 00:18:40
    up What they were modeling you can't
  • 00:18:42
    model for ah is there just going to be
  • 00:18:44
    some random point where inflation just
  • 00:18:46
    spikes like a goddamn pin You don't
  • 00:18:48
    really factor those things in You just
  • 00:18:50
    go yeah based on the trajectory here's
  • 00:18:52
    where it's got to go I mean it's
  • 00:18:53
    imperfect science but that's what we
  • 00:18:54
    have And that didn't happen And the
  • 00:18:56
    worst thing happened of all time for
  • 00:18:58
    power bill prices which is everything
  • 00:19:01
    became more expensive because as Peter
  • 00:19:02
    Dutton pointed out everything in the
  • 00:19:04
    modern world is made from electricity So
  • 00:19:06
    everything became more expensive The
  • 00:19:08
    demand for electricity went through the
  • 00:19:09
    roof That's why we have these prices
  • 00:19:11
    What we know is that renewables are the
  • 00:19:13
    cheapest form of power Not because of
  • 00:19:15
    what we say but because of what the
  • 00:19:17
    Australian energy market operator says
  • 00:19:19
    So when did the bills come down and what
  • 00:19:21
    and what the market is is delivering
  • 00:19:24
    during the former government 24 out of
  • 00:19:26
    28 coal fire power stations announce
  • 00:19:29
    their closure We need to get supply and
  • 00:19:33
    certainty and energy security We can't
  • 00:19:35
    wait to the 2040s under a nuclear sorry
  • 00:19:38
    just sticking with your plan Mr Albanzy
  • 00:19:40
    when will the bills come down under our
  • 00:19:42
    plan we know that renewables are the
  • 00:19:44
    cheapest form of power and that is why
  • 00:19:47
    uh we are doing that rolling it out
  • 00:19:49
    including through gas Peter raised gas
  • 00:19:51
    Gas is now $13 It was
  • 00:19:55
    $30 cheaper when we came off 13 is
  • 00:19:58
    cheaper than 30 When do we when do we
  • 00:20:00
    see the bills come down well what we
  • 00:20:02
    need to do is to roll out renewables
  • 00:20:05
    Make sure there's energy security Make
  • 00:20:07
    sure it's backed up by batteries by
  • 00:20:09
    hydro and by gas That is what all of the
  • 00:20:14
    private sector is backing and investing
  • 00:20:16
    in not using taxpayers money to fund
  • 00:20:20
    something that they never put forward
  • 00:20:22
    the entire time they were in office
  • 00:20:24
    Meanwhile coal fired power stations
  • 00:20:25
    including the one in Cali at the moment
  • 00:20:28
    one of these nectar sites has broken
  • 00:20:29
    down and isn't in operation at the
  • 00:20:32
    moment Some states are extending the
  • 00:20:34
    life of these coal fired power stations
  • 00:20:36
    That is that is what is causing the
  • 00:20:38
    increase in prices is because of the
  • 00:20:40
    uncertainty created by You're saying
  • 00:20:42
    they shouldn't be doing it No they need
  • 00:20:44
    to ensure energy security But what
  • 00:20:47
    shouldn't have happened was 24 out of 28
  • 00:20:50
    coal fire power stations announced their
  • 00:20:52
    closure and no support energy security
  • 00:20:55
    during that time And we can't afford to
  • 00:20:57
    wait for the 2040s Okay Let me ask you
  • 00:20:59
    both a question about climate change We
  • 00:21:02
    get a lot of questions about the
  • 00:21:03
    concerns that people have over more
  • 00:21:05
    intense weather events be it storms
  • 00:21:07
    fires floods particularly in your home
  • 00:21:10
    state Queensland Mr Dutton do you accept
  • 00:21:12
    that we are already seeing the impact of
  • 00:21:14
    climate change well David there's
  • 00:21:15
    there's an impact The question is what
  • 00:21:17
    we can do about it as a population of 27
  • 00:21:19
    million people So we should be good
  • 00:21:21
    corporate citizens good international
  • 00:21:23
    neighbors etc But at the moment China is
  • 00:21:26
    building two coal fire power stations a
  • 00:21:27
    week India obviously is burning a lot of
  • 00:21:29
    fossil fuel And what the government's
  • 00:21:31
    doing and Chris Bowen sorry can we stick
  • 00:21:34
    with your plans again here Mr Dutton I
  • 00:21:35
    understand the propensity to get stuck
  • 00:21:37
    into each other You're agreeing we are
  • 00:21:39
    seeing the impact of climate change I I
  • 00:21:41
    think you can see that there's there's
  • 00:21:42
    an impact David but I I don't In my home
  • 00:21:44
    state you made reference to uh floods
  • 00:21:46
    and uh natural disasters events We were
  • 00:21:48
    out in Thugaminda the other day Yeah but
  • 00:21:50
    you weren't there for the cyclone Where
  • 00:21:52
    you done you weren't there then You were
  • 00:21:54
    with your mate Justin Hebs We got you
  • 00:21:57
    But we all just have to remember that
  • 00:21:59
    That was shameful wasn't it while
  • 00:22:01
    Anthony Abadzi was coordinating the
  • 00:22:03
    cyclone effort for his own seed of Dixon
  • 00:22:06
    that it was going to hit while he was
  • 00:22:08
    coordinating that making sure that it
  • 00:22:09
    didn't Dutton was out of his electorate
  • 00:22:11
    ensuring that he had the funds to
  • 00:22:13
    contest it in the next re-election by
  • 00:22:15
    hanging out with Justin Hems the biggest
  • 00:22:18
    douchebag billionaire we have by a mile
  • 00:22:20
    I hate him more than Jeter Reinhardt his
  • 00:22:22
    stupid little hippie ponytail # Humble
  • 00:22:25
    So I put that on his Instagram once #
  • 00:22:26
    humble worse though Is it getting worse
  • 00:22:28
    well I'll leave others to to What do you
  • 00:22:30
    think you're a I'll let scientists and
  • 00:22:32
    others pass that judgment But really
  • 00:22:34
    you're not willing to say this is
  • 00:22:36
    climate change happening right now well
  • 00:22:37
    as the prime minister refused to do the
  • 00:22:39
    other day uh to make comment in this
  • 00:22:41
    regard as well I I I don't know David
  • 00:22:43
    because I'm not a scientist and I can't
  • 00:22:44
    tell you whether the temperature has
  • 00:22:46
    risen in Thaminda as a result of climate
  • 00:22:48
    change or that the water levels are up
  • 00:22:50
    uh in Thagaminda's latest flood as a
  • 00:22:52
    result of climate change And I think the
  • 00:22:54
    honest answer for most people is that uh
  • 00:22:56
    they don't know Look really not a bad
  • 00:22:58
    answer
  • 00:23:00
    Honestly it's not bad But you go down to
  • 00:23:02
    a local level and instead of just
  • 00:23:04
    sitting there and saying like "Oh yeah
  • 00:23:05
    you know which obviously increase the
  • 00:23:06
    global temperature and all that kind of
  • 00:23:07
    stuff." If you just sit there and say
  • 00:23:08
    "Look I don't know I'm not a scientist
  • 00:23:10
    I'm talking about the temperature of
  • 00:23:12
    South Central Queensland I'm not sure I
  • 00:23:15
    don't that this is not my area of
  • 00:23:16
    expertise." It's it's actually a pretty
  • 00:23:18
    good answer What I need to do as the
  • 00:23:21
    alternate prime minister in this country
  • 00:23:22
    is to put forward our plan about how
  • 00:23:25
    we're going to help families uh we need
  • 00:23:27
    to transition and we've spoken about
  • 00:23:29
    that with our zero emissions technology
  • 00:23:30
    But in relation to power costs which I
  • 00:23:33
    think is a really important issue before
  • 00:23:34
    we move on the prime minister promised
  • 00:23:36
    $275 reduction per year at the last
  • 00:23:38
    election It has never eventuated He
  • 00:23:41
    never mentions the figure And at least
  • 00:23:42
    Chris Bowen was able to give you a
  • 00:23:43
    straighter answer than what you just
  • 00:23:45
    heard before because power prices have
  • 00:23:46
    gone up by $1,300 And they are making no
  • 00:23:49
    commitments in this election other than
  • 00:23:51
    if you vote labor your electricity and
  • 00:23:53
    your gas prices moved away from the
  • 00:23:55
    impact of climate change a little there
  • 00:23:56
    but Mr Albanesy we do know that people
  • 00:23:59
    in a lot of these areas where we're
  • 00:24:00
    seeing more severe impacts are really
  • 00:24:02
    worried about the impact on their
  • 00:24:03
    insurance premiums One of our audience
  • 00:24:06
    members Ross lives in Baliner 3 years
  • 00:24:08
    ago his premium was less than $3,000 Now
  • 00:24:10
    it's more than $6,000 I mean that's
  • 00:24:12
    unaffordable for many I mean doesn't
  • 00:24:14
    that just say the quality of these two
  • 00:24:16
    parties pretty well for all the bozos
  • 00:24:19
    out there there's no difference between
  • 00:24:20
    them This is what David Spears has to
  • 00:24:22
    ask Anthony Albanesei to get him on
  • 00:24:25
    climate change What about insurance
  • 00:24:27
    premiums going up as a result of climate
  • 00:24:29
    change what is your policy specifically
  • 00:24:31
    to insurance policy on climate change a
  • 00:24:34
    very specific industry That's his gotcha
  • 00:24:36
    question for that His gotcha question
  • 00:24:38
    for Dutton is do you think climate
  • 00:24:41
    change is real
  • 00:24:45
    we stand to make so much money in the
  • 00:24:49
    era of climate change and you are
  • 00:24:52
    robbing this nation's future if you are
  • 00:24:54
    not investing in the grandiose vision of
  • 00:24:57
    Australia which is future made in
  • 00:24:59
    Australia Only the Labour party is
  • 00:25:01
    delivering that That is a baby of the
  • 00:25:03
    unions They're the ones that are putting
  • 00:25:04
    it forward so that we become a good
  • 00:25:06
    Saudi Arabia Not only are they not going
  • 00:25:09
    to go ahead with future made in
  • 00:25:11
    Australia they'll scrap it immediately
  • 00:25:12
    when they get in Not only that they're
  • 00:25:14
    replacing it with a huge white elephant
  • 00:25:16
    of a fantasy which is nuclear power All
  • 00:25:19
    to just keep coal pumping into the air
  • 00:25:20
    as much as possible which is look yeah
  • 00:25:23
    okay it won't have a global impact on
  • 00:25:25
    climate change if you keep pumping coal
  • 00:25:27
    into the air But what is bad about it is
  • 00:25:30
    that that is denying us a far more
  • 00:25:33
    efficient energy grid which as Peter
  • 00:25:35
    Dutton correctly points out that's the
  • 00:25:37
    spice of life now That is our spice
  • 00:25:39
    milange in Dune Everything comes from
  • 00:25:42
    energy And you are making a 21st century
  • 00:25:45
    energy grid that is not only smarter but
  • 00:25:47
    is able to get energy more efficiently
  • 00:25:49
    to the places that it needs to go and is
  • 00:25:50
    able to provide far more energy than
  • 00:25:52
    coal is anyway That is going to greatly
  • 00:25:54
    sty our economy in itself Not only that
  • 00:25:57
    but Labor has a plan to just export It's
  • 00:25:59
    so visionary and exciting It's nothing
  • 00:26:02
    makes me sadder than the fact that the
  • 00:26:04
    media is so stupid that they never talk
  • 00:26:05
    about future made in Australia I don't
  • 00:26:07
    even think they understand what it is
  • 00:26:08
    Nobody seems to understand the great
  • 00:26:10
    vision of what this is It's setting up a
  • 00:26:12
    manufacturing base in this country I
  • 00:26:13
    just read the other day that when we did
  • 00:26:14
    have a manufacturing base in this
  • 00:26:16
    country it was 25% employment That was
  • 00:26:18
    obviously taken out because the
  • 00:26:19
    manufacturing base was making socks and
  • 00:26:21
    China can do that better So it was just
  • 00:26:23
    like let's put all of our money and
  • 00:26:25
    workers into making a [ __ ] product that
  • 00:26:28
    no one wants to buy That's a good idea
  • 00:26:29
    But now we have an opportunity to bring
  • 00:26:31
    that back Something that used to employ
  • 00:26:33
    a quarter of the population We can bring
  • 00:26:34
    it up because now this is in an
  • 00:26:36
    advantage to us We are in the position
  • 00:26:39
    to manufacture smart grid [ __ ] Climate
  • 00:26:41
    change is nothing but a positive for
  • 00:26:43
    Australia apart from the fact that it's
  • 00:26:45
    going to greatly impact our crops and
  • 00:26:47
    the Great Barrier Reef But for us as a
  • 00:26:50
    people we stand to become extremely
  • 00:26:52
    wealthy off it Can I talk about the
  • 00:26:53
    science and be the science is very clear
  • 00:26:56
    doesn't mean that every single weather
  • 00:26:58
    event is because of climate change It
  • 00:27:01
    does mean that the science told us that
  • 00:27:03
    the events would be more extreme and
  • 00:27:05
    they'd be more frequent And that is what
  • 00:27:07
    we are seeing playing out whether it be
  • 00:27:09
    increased bushfires increased flooding
  • 00:27:11
    these extreme weather events that are
  • 00:27:13
    having an impact So when we talk about
  • 00:27:15
    the costs this is one of the costs The
  • 00:27:18
    cost to our economy as well as the cost
  • 00:27:20
    to our environment of not acting on
  • 00:27:22
    climate change of not being a part of
  • 00:27:24
    the global solution are severe Okay I
  • 00:27:27
    want to move on Let's turn to the global
  • 00:27:29
    outlook Mr Mr Dton yesterday you jumped
  • 00:27:31
    on reports that Russia had asked to base
  • 00:27:34
    some of its military aircraft in
  • 00:27:35
    Indonesia You suggested this would
  • 00:27:38
    represent a catastrophic failure of the
  • 00:27:39
    Albanese government for not seeing this
  • 00:27:41
    not knowing that it was coming You said
  • 00:27:43
    the Indonesian president had publicly
  • 00:27:45
    announced this Russian request when he
  • 00:27:48
    had not Indonesia says there won't be
  • 00:27:50
    Russian planes based there Do you admit
  • 00:27:52
    you got that wrong well David uh the the
  • 00:27:54
    reference I was making everything's made
  • 00:27:56
    up It's so good Everything that Dund's
  • 00:27:59
    talking about remember the terrorism ban
  • 00:28:02
    it's so good And like here's my promise
  • 00:28:04
    to the Australian people a source of
  • 00:28:06
    energy that I can't deliver And also on
  • 00:28:08
    top of that I've just come up with some
  • 00:28:09
    fear bug campaign If your source of
  • 00:28:12
    revenue comes from capital if that
  • 00:28:14
    that's all you are serving if you are
  • 00:28:16
    just serving business interests
  • 00:28:17
    everything that you do is just an
  • 00:28:19
    advertisement There's no serious concern
  • 00:28:22
    about governing the country to a
  • 00:28:24
    brighter future That's it It's all just
  • 00:28:26
    about doing favors for mates And so as a
  • 00:28:28
    result he has to just make things up
  • 00:28:31
    constantly There's no reality to
  • 00:28:32
    anything that he's saying This is
  • 00:28:34
    incredible that he's getting caught out
  • 00:28:35
    like this on a live debate I'll say this
  • 00:28:38
    David Spears is going hard on Dutton I
  • 00:28:40
    don't feel happy about this guy Like the
  • 00:28:43
    Sky News guy was a lot a lot fairer you
  • 00:28:46
    know getting slaughtered here I'm happy
  • 00:28:48
    with I'm happy with Mr Spears today Was
  • 00:28:50
    in relation to sources from the ProO
  • 00:28:52
    government So was that a mistake yeah it
  • 00:28:54
    it was a mistake and uh and I'm happy to
  • 00:28:56
    admit that uh that what we got from the
  • 00:29:00
    Indonesian authorities in the reports
  • 00:29:02
    and the prime minister commented on
  • 00:29:03
    these reports yesterday as well uh was
  • 00:29:06
    that the sources inside the PBOa
  • 00:29:08
    government uh confirmed that that was
  • 00:29:09
    the case Now what we've seen in the last
  • 00:29:11
    12 hours or so is that the Russian envoy
  • 00:29:14
    to Indonesia has confirmed uh that there
  • 00:29:17
    have been discussions uh and obviously
  • 00:29:19
    there is a concerning closeness in that
  • 00:29:22
    relationship and I think the main point
  • 00:29:24
    here is that the prime minister knew
  • 00:29:26
    nothing of it nothing of the concerns
  • 00:29:28
    nothing of the prospect uh the prime
  • 00:29:30
    minister found out about it through a
  • 00:29:31
    news report similar to when the Chinese
  • 00:29:34
    naval ship circumnavigates our country
  • 00:29:36
    and he doesn't know about all of the
  • 00:29:37
    detail until a virgin pilot provides the
  • 00:29:40
    detail Clearly Mr Albani there are
  • 00:29:43
    expanding defense cooperations going on
  • 00:29:45
    between Russia and Indonesia They held
  • 00:29:47
    some exercises in November and just
  • 00:29:50
    yesterday Russia's deputy prime minister
  • 00:29:52
    met the Indonesian president in Jakarta
  • 00:29:54
    Does this concern you well that's an
  • 00:29:56
    extraordinary double down from the
  • 00:29:59
    alternative prime minister of Australia
  • 00:30:01
    who verballed the Indonesian president
  • 00:30:03
    yesterday Indonesia will be the fourth
  • 00:30:05
    largest economy in the world They are an
  • 00:30:08
    important part partner of Australia We
  • 00:30:12
    have an important defense relationship
  • 00:30:14
    with with Indonesia as well Uh President
  • 00:30:17
    Pabau I regard as a personal friend and
  • 00:30:20
    we have good relations there and the
  • 00:30:22
    idea that you just throw out these
  • 00:30:24
    comments is just extraordinary And the
  • 00:30:27
    fact that uh we just saw a double down
  • 00:30:30
    on it as if there's nothing to see here
  • 00:30:32
    Don't you just feel like you're in safer
  • 00:30:34
    hands it might just be this idea of
  • 00:30:37
    looking at the world realistically from
  • 00:30:39
    where we are which is a [ __ ] tiny nation
  • 00:30:42
    surrounded by Asians But it is just very
  • 00:30:45
    nice to know that you have someone at
  • 00:30:47
    the helm that that's their first resort
  • 00:30:49
    is to sit there and try and hammer
  • 00:30:50
    things out through official negotiations
  • 00:30:53
    and sitting around with trained
  • 00:30:55
    diplomats Whereas Dartton you can tell
  • 00:30:57
    the first thing he's going to do drop a
  • 00:30:59
    nuke Yeah let's do that It's also
  • 00:31:01
    pathetic because we don't we we can't do
  • 00:31:04
    that We're pathetic We are Dude we're
  • 00:31:08
    alpha in comparison to New Zealand
  • 00:31:10
    That's it Why haven't you been to
  • 00:31:11
    Indonesia since he became president uh
  • 00:31:13
    because I've been here domestically Uh
  • 00:31:16
    but uh the president I have spoken with
  • 00:31:19
    and the president was here just before
  • 00:31:21
    uh his inauguration When did you last
  • 00:31:23
    speak he's a regular visitor We speak
  • 00:31:26
    regularly I don't know Look maybe it's
  • 00:31:28
    just because of my own biases here but
  • 00:31:30
    let me know in the comments especially
  • 00:31:32
    if you aren't a Labour voter When he
  • 00:31:36
    appears he just looks like a trained
  • 00:31:40
    gray public servant He looks like a
  • 00:31:43
    steady pair of hands And in today's
  • 00:31:46
    terrifying world isn't that just an
  • 00:31:48
    asset in itself that you look at him and
  • 00:31:50
    you think "There's a guy that
  • 00:31:52
    understands how CRA works He spent his
  • 00:31:54
    life in there He gets how all the levers
  • 00:31:57
    are pulled and he's going to pull them
  • 00:31:59
    in a responsible way Doesn't he just
  • 00:32:01
    exude that energy and then every time it
  • 00:32:03
    goes to Peter Dutton he's like I know
  • 00:32:06
    how the liver is pulled that you don't
  • 00:32:08
    know
  • 00:32:09
    existing about this about the
  • 00:32:11
    cooperation with Russia Well I I don't
  • 00:32:14
    broadcast the private discussions but we
  • 00:32:16
    had discussions at the senior levels of
  • 00:32:18
    government government to government
  • 00:32:20
    Peter says "Why didn't we know something
  • 00:32:23
    that didn't exist and what didn't
  • 00:32:25
    exist?" And Indonesia has confirmed the
  • 00:32:27
    idea of a base being used by the Russian
  • 00:32:30
    Air Force in West Papua Do you accept
  • 00:32:32
    that Mr D no I don't I don't accept that
  • 00:32:34
    And I think the prime minister is full
  • 00:32:35
    of bluster here because I like his use
  • 00:32:37
    of the word bluster Everybody thought
  • 00:32:38
    that he was going to go for [ __ ] but
  • 00:32:40
    he's on ABC and the kids could be
  • 00:32:42
    watching Again in relation to national
  • 00:32:45
    security this is a government that's
  • 00:32:46
    ripped $80 billion out of defense and
  • 00:32:49
    we've seen uh the the relationship uh in
  • 00:32:52
    relation to Indonesia and Russia grow
  • 00:32:54
    closer That is the Liberal Party's
  • 00:32:56
    response and I just don't know if it
  • 00:32:58
    works anymore I don't think that people
  • 00:33:00
    are as scared of China as they used to
  • 00:33:03
    be Don't you don't you feel like that
  • 00:33:04
    there has just been a vibe shift from
  • 00:33:05
    that everything's kind of worked in
  • 00:33:07
    Labour's favor over the years Don't you
  • 00:33:09
    think when they used to say the Liberals
  • 00:33:11
    have got $80 billion out of schools and
  • 00:33:12
    hospitals no one cared And now they're
  • 00:33:14
    trying to pull the whole Labour's taken
  • 00:33:15
    $80 billion out of defense I think
  • 00:33:16
    everybody's like "Hey it's like the
  • 00:33:18
    schools and hospitals I don't care
  • 00:33:19
    anymore buddy." Now Indonesia is an
  • 00:33:20
    incredibly important partner I met with
  • 00:33:22
    the president-elect when he was out here
  • 00:33:24
    and I had a very good relationship with
  • 00:33:26
    him as defense minister when we were
  • 00:33:28
    both in that portfolio I had a lot to do
  • 00:33:30
    with the previous president in Indonesia
  • 00:33:31
    as well So we have a stable solid
  • 00:33:34
    relationship But that means that if
  • 00:33:37
    there is to be some change in the
  • 00:33:40
    security settings in our region that if
  • 00:33:42
    there is respect for the Albanesei
  • 00:33:43
    government of course there is not at the
  • 00:33:45
    moment because I see this prime minister
  • 00:33:47
    as weak then why wouldn't there be a
  • 00:33:49
    response or why wouldn't you got to give
  • 00:33:51
    him this in terms of perception
  • 00:33:53
    especially a guy that's saying
  • 00:33:55
    weak I really like how disciplined
  • 00:33:58
    Anthony Albani has been in terms of just
  • 00:33:59
    image cultivation right but anyway him
  • 00:34:02
    saying yeah they think that he's a weak
  • 00:34:03
    prime minister look I mean who Could you
  • 00:34:05
    be more scared of you don't want to [ __ ]
  • 00:34:07
    around with Dutton do you we've made it
  • 00:34:09
    40 minutes in and finally Donald Trump's
  • 00:34:11
    name gets uh mentioned He has hit
  • 00:34:13
    Australia with the 10% tariff He started
  • 00:34:15
    a trade war with China He's treating
  • 00:34:17
    friends and
  • 00:34:19
    allies though Mr Dton to you first Do
  • 00:34:22
    you trust this president well David I
  • 00:34:23
    said uh in relation to President Trump
  • 00:34:26
    that I thought the scenes that we saw
  • 00:34:28
    coming out of the White House uh the
  • 00:34:29
    treatment of President Zilinsky was a
  • 00:34:31
    disgrace that it was appalling Uh and I
  • 00:34:32
    stand by those comments and we need to
  • 00:34:35
    have a very strong working relationship
  • 00:34:36
    with the United States Of course we do
  • 00:34:38
    Do you trust him was the question well
  • 00:34:40
    we we trust the United States and I
  • 00:34:42
    don't know the president Uh I've not met
  • 00:34:44
    him Uh the prime minister obviously uh
  • 00:34:46
    has been able to I'm not going to say
  • 00:34:48
    you trust I don't I don't know I don't
  • 00:34:50
    know Donald Trump is my point Uh my
  • 00:34:52
    point is that uh who I trust
  • 00:34:58
    Can I just say this i'm so used to my
  • 00:35:00
    entire life the press railing against
  • 00:35:04
    the Labor Party but this time around
  • 00:35:06
    look you got to call
  • 00:35:08
    it hammering him All right let's talk
  • 00:35:11
    about nuclear power shall we let's talk
  • 00:35:13
    about your [ __ ] numbers on nuclear
  • 00:35:14
    power All right next subject after that
  • 00:35:16
    let's talk about climate change Do you
  • 00:35:18
    think that's a real thing Mr Next one
  • 00:35:20
    after that defense yeah okay naturally
  • 00:35:21
    he's going to go well on that one And
  • 00:35:23
    then let's talk about Trump knowing that
  • 00:35:26
    he's been trying to walk the tight rope
  • 00:35:27
    the whole time This poor man He has not
  • 00:35:30
    had a good campaign This Oh I do feel
  • 00:35:32
    sorry for the old Spud Poor Sputddy No
  • 00:35:35
    one deserves to be slammed this hard
  • 00:35:37
    Framing the debate under all of these
  • 00:35:39
    absolute landmines for Dutton Trump
  • 00:35:43
    Christ He's got the Pauline voters that
  • 00:35:45
    really want him to sit there and say
  • 00:35:46
    "Make a miracle great." But he doesn't
  • 00:35:49
    have mainstream Australia that hates
  • 00:35:52
    Donald Trump This is why it was just
  • 00:35:54
    such a L when just enterprise came up
  • 00:35:57
    and said no we're going to make
  • 00:35:58
    Australia great again and you could see
  • 00:36:00
    Peter Dutton think all right well that's
  • 00:36:02
    a couple of marginal seats gone oh man
  • 00:36:04
    cuz the other thing was he was just
  • 00:36:05
    banking so hard on their win and it
  • 00:36:09
    didn't apparate you know like he thought
  • 00:36:11
    there was going to be a big honeymoon
  • 00:36:13
    after Trump's win we all did and then
  • 00:36:15
    that just completely disappeared after
  • 00:36:17
    what a week and so he's just left with
  • 00:36:20
    the bag thinking Christ dude My whole
  • 00:36:23
    campaign strategy was to just feed off
  • 00:36:26
    the re of Donald Trump like I'm a beta
  • 00:36:29
    version of Ted Cruz and it didn't work
  • 00:36:32
    It's so sad And then he's got nothing
  • 00:36:34
    left Now he's just got nuclear power
  • 00:36:36
    which also everyone's scared of The
  • 00:36:37
    press clearly doesn't want Dutton
  • 00:36:40
    elected this time around And I honestly
  • 00:36:42
    think that it is just I I I think mostly
  • 00:36:44
    it's a cultural thing of we can't have
  • 00:36:46
    that awful race Peter Dutton at the
  • 00:36:48
    front You've obviously got the Murdoch
  • 00:36:49
    press still barracking for him but you
  • 00:36:51
    know that whole tealely type of press
  • 00:36:53
    like your Sydney Morning Heralds and
  • 00:36:55
    obviously the Guardians going to hate
  • 00:36:57
    him ABC I think that it's just sort of
  • 00:36:59
    culturally acceptable to [ __ ] on him My
  • 00:37:01
    job is to stand up for our country's
  • 00:37:03
    interest which is what I did at uh when
  • 00:37:05
    we negotiated the Orcus deal with
  • 00:37:07
    President Biden Okay Mr Albanese are you
  • 00:37:10
    do you trust Donald Trump yeah I have no
  • 00:37:12
    reason not to I've had a couple of
  • 00:37:14
    discussions with him In the last
  • 00:37:16
    discussion uh we agreed on a series of
  • 00:37:19
    words that he would give consideration
  • 00:37:22
    great consideration was the words that
  • 00:37:24
    he used and uh he did that in the end he
  • 00:37:28
    made a decision as part of the US
  • 00:37:31
    administration to put these tariffs on
  • 00:37:33
    every country We got the lowest amount
  • 00:37:36
    but we made it very clear that that was
  • 00:37:37
    an act of self harm by the United States
  • 00:37:41
    Uh the United States enjoys a trade
  • 00:37:43
    surplus with Australia You got to give
  • 00:37:45
    Albo this He is a really skilled
  • 00:37:48
    statesman He just is I don't disregard
  • 00:37:52
    that Peter Dutton is not an intelligent
  • 00:37:54
    man It's just he's he's not good at the
  • 00:37:57
    camera stuff He really isn't And Anthony
  • 00:37:59
    Albanzy don't you think that he's just
  • 00:38:01
    been saying things in such a measured
  • 00:38:03
    way off the bat you know so he's like
  • 00:38:05
    "Do you trust Trump?" And he's like
  • 00:38:06
    "Yeah I trust him I've got no reason not
  • 00:38:08
    to trust him He said that he was going
  • 00:38:10
    to bring out tariffs and then he did
  • 00:38:11
    it." And so he's sort of being
  • 00:38:13
    diplomatic and also taking a dig at him
  • 00:38:15
    at the same time Just while we're at it
  • 00:38:17
    do you trust China's president Xiinping
  • 00:38:19
    i have no reason not to either China is
  • 00:38:21
    our major trading partner One in four
  • 00:38:23
    Australian jobs depends upon trade Is in
  • 00:38:26
    Australia's national interest to have a
  • 00:38:29
    good economic relationship with China
  • 00:38:31
    We'll cooperate where we can We'll
  • 00:38:33
    disagree where we must but we'll engage
  • 00:38:35
    in our national interest Don't you think
  • 00:38:36
    that there's two acceptable opinions
  • 00:38:38
    when it comes to China in Australia
  • 00:38:41
    there's either they're communists that
  • 00:38:43
    are coming for your property and if they
  • 00:38:45
    don't take it by buying it at the
  • 00:38:47
    auctions they'll take it by force And
  • 00:38:49
    then the other one is China is our
  • 00:38:50
    biggest trading partner We need China
  • 00:38:52
    It's very there's two acceptable
  • 00:38:54
    opinions much like there is with
  • 00:38:55
    everything else right there's the sort
  • 00:38:56
    of the the free trade and element of the
  • 00:39:00
    press and the protectionist element of
  • 00:39:02
    the press As a result of that you just
  • 00:39:03
    have to frame things in a way that
  • 00:39:06
    speaks to the general public And Albo's
  • 00:39:09
    done it again He's done it again Whereas
  • 00:39:12
    you can tell with Dart Noob me smash
  • 00:39:14
    China I smash China now like bug Well
  • 00:39:16
    David again I I don't know the president
  • 00:39:17
    of China but I believe very strongly in
  • 00:39:19
    the relationship that we have because of
  • 00:39:21
    the reasons the prime minister outlines
  • 00:39:23
    It's important for our economic
  • 00:39:25
    stability and our sovereignty in
  • 00:39:26
    government We negotiated 11 free trade
  • 00:39:28
    agreements This government's only been
  • 00:39:30
    able to negotiate one of the 11 one was
  • 00:39:32
    with China I want to see the
  • 00:39:34
    relationship grow and I want to see
  • 00:39:35
    trust in the relationship but we have to
  • 00:39:37
    stand up for our sovereignty We have to
  • 00:39:38
    have a respectful relationship I had a
  • 00:39:41
    very good meeting with the premier from
  • 00:39:42
    China when he was out only a couple of
  • 00:39:44
    months ago and we can build the
  • 00:39:46
    relationship You trust him well I again
  • 00:39:48
    I I've spoke to him across the table so
  • 00:39:50
    I haven't done business with him and
  • 00:39:52
    shaken hands and seen whether somebody's
  • 00:39:54
    honored that deal but I don't have any
  • 00:39:56
    reason to toust So the Liberal Party
  • 00:39:58
    have changed again and they're pretty
  • 00:40:00
    much just reflecting what the Labour
  • 00:40:01
    Party is saying now which is they're
  • 00:40:02
    good trading partners and we also have
  • 00:40:04
    to be weary at the same
  • 00:40:06
    time which honestly look good answer In
  • 00:40:10
    the agreements that I've reached with
  • 00:40:12
    Premier Lee they have all resulted in
  • 00:40:15
    precisely what was agreed on both sides
  • 00:40:18
    And now as a result of that $20 billion
  • 00:40:21
    of trade with China has been restored
  • 00:40:23
    Okay A lot of people are wondering
  • 00:40:24
    because of the free trade agreement that
  • 00:40:25
    we signed today
  • 00:40:27
    It it didn't operate for the entire time
  • 00:40:30
    in which your last term there were no
  • 00:40:32
    discussions It's another one Diplomacy
  • 00:40:35
    The Liberals just can't win it It's like
  • 00:40:37
    as soon as you get a little bit of
  • 00:40:38
    context into it it's obvious that Albo's
  • 00:40:40
    the winner for it The trade dispute with
  • 00:40:42
    China is particularly concerning to many
  • 00:40:47
    uh in the US economy So we reserve this
  • 00:40:49
    for the United States China no Well
  • 00:40:52
    we'll negotiate with the United States
  • 00:40:54
    rather than with you David
  • 00:40:56
    I'm going to try
  • 00:40:59
    This is the best debate dynamic I've
  • 00:41:01
    ever seen You have David Spears clowning
  • 00:41:04
    on Dutton and then you have clowning on
  • 00:41:07
    David Spears Mr Dutton you've said you'd
  • 00:41:09
    get a deal very quickly with Donald
  • 00:41:11
    Trump that he dropped these tariffs No
  • 00:41:13
    other leaders manage this How How do you
  • 00:41:16
    plan to pull this one off well we did
  • 00:41:18
    actually uh in the 45th presidency when
  • 00:41:20
    President Trump was first elected uh we
  • 00:41:22
    were able to negotiate as a government
  • 00:41:24
    then an outcome where Australia was
  • 00:41:26
    exempt So how would you do it now uh
  • 00:41:27
    well again as we did Malcolm Turble at
  • 00:41:29
    the time Well as as we did last it's a
  • 00:41:31
    lot harder now As we did last time we
  • 00:41:34
    were able to leverage relationships
  • 00:41:36
    Unfortunately sadly for our country
  • 00:41:38
    Ambassador Rudd can't get into the West
  • 00:41:40
    Wing and can't get a conversation
  • 00:41:41
    Leverage the relationship What does it
  • 00:41:43
    mean in practice it it means as we did
  • 00:41:45
    last time David we look at people Oh I
  • 00:41:48
    am really excited about what his answer
  • 00:41:49
    is to this because all you ever hear is
  • 00:41:51
    the reports of it in the press Yeah That
  • 00:41:53
    we'll leverage our relationship I've got
  • 00:41:55
    special access to Peter Dutton Yeah of
  • 00:41:58
    course he does That's just a nice way of
  • 00:42:00
    saying I can wank I've got special
  • 00:42:02
    access to President Trump I really want
  • 00:42:04
    to hear how With whom we have a
  • 00:42:05
    relationship contacts both within the
  • 00:42:07
    West Wing within the administration and
  • 00:42:10
    those external to the administration The
  • 00:42:12
    trouble is that Anthony didn't think
  • 00:42:13
    that Okay All right So I know people
  • 00:42:16
    trust me unfortunately Australia our
  • 00:42:19
    beef producers and others are now facing
  • 00:42:22
    uh this 10% tariff And so you've got
  • 00:42:24
    closer ties with the Trump
  • 00:42:25
    administration We have I think we have
  • 00:42:27
    the ability as we demonstrated before uh
  • 00:42:29
    to talk to the administration and and
  • 00:42:31
    the again the mistruth that was spoken
  • 00:42:33
    before by the prime minister about John
  • 00:42:35
    Howard The point I make uh which is uh I
  • 00:42:39
    think accepted by most sensible people
  • 00:42:41
    is that as John Howard agrees with that
  • 00:42:43
    we we should be doing everything we can
  • 00:42:45
    to enhance the relationship to make our
  • 00:42:47
    two countries uh stronger together We've
  • 00:42:50
    been with the United States for the last
  • 00:42:52
    100 years It sounds like your answer to
  • 00:42:53
    this is because you've got closer
  • 00:42:55
    relationships with the Trump team You'd
  • 00:42:58
    be able to get a deal We we have I think
  • 00:43:00
    a capacity uh demonstrated We've already
  • 00:43:03
    done that David And uh we show we
  • 00:43:05
    demonstrated it in the first presidency
  • 00:43:07
    that we're able to get an exemption when
  • 00:43:09
    other countries weren't So all I'm
  • 00:43:11
    saying is that so everyone else in the
  • 00:43:12
    world can't get it You would Well as you
  • 00:43:15
    know when other So everyone on stage is
  • 00:43:18
    bullying Dutton This is the first time
  • 00:43:20
    that I've agreed with the libs The ABC
  • 00:43:22
    is a pro labor outlet I've always said
  • 00:43:25
    that the ABC is a reflection of whoever
  • 00:43:27
    is in government but I did not know that
  • 00:43:29
    Labour would be able to turn the ABC
  • 00:43:32
    around to the point that they would get
  • 00:43:33
    a fair hearing on it in just three short
  • 00:43:35
    years I thought that the contracts would
  • 00:43:37
    take way longer to expire than that The
  • 00:43:38
    point I was making in relation to
  • 00:43:40
    defense is that the Americans came to
  • 00:43:41
    our aid in the battle of the Coral Sea
  • 00:43:44
    We've stood with America through every
  • 00:43:46
    battle It is an incredible relationship
  • 00:43:48
    I think in relation to critical minerals
  • 00:43:50
    you can look at offtake agreements You
  • 00:43:51
    can look at supply chain assurity for
  • 00:43:53
    the United States so that their weapon
  • 00:43:55
    systems and their guided weapons can be
  • 00:43:57
    constructed That's to bring everything
  • 00:43:59
    back to weapons and one day there's
  • 00:44:01
    going to be a war and let's ensure that
  • 00:44:03
    that happens When Abene is talking about
  • 00:44:06
    trade he's talking about building the
  • 00:44:07
    future of the world and places that
  • 00:44:09
    people can live in
  • 00:44:10
    and his media thing but he thinks of
  • 00:44:12
    critical minerals is yeah guidance
  • 00:44:15
    systems for missiles A final one before
  • 00:44:17
    we hear your closing statements Um we do
  • 00:44:20
    hear a lot from both of you in this
  • 00:44:21
    campaign about how dire things would be
  • 00:44:24
    for Australia if the other bloke wins
  • 00:44:26
    And maybe that's just the nature of
  • 00:44:28
    campaigning but you two have known each
  • 00:44:29
    other a very long time I've witnessed
  • 00:44:31
    you both over the dispatch box in
  • 00:44:33
    parliament You're able to have a chat
  • 00:44:34
    You seem to get on I I just want to ask
  • 00:44:36
    I don't want you to overstate it It's
  • 00:44:39
    been a kiss of death for both What I
  • 00:44:40
    will give Dun this for a man that's
  • 00:44:42
    extremely boring and used to be a cop He
  • 00:44:44
    does have some good quips doesn't he man
  • 00:44:46
    he's got it He's got a little jab here
  • 00:44:49
    and there Would it really be a disaster
  • 00:44:51
    for the country or is this just a you
  • 00:44:52
    know a bit of political hype if the
  • 00:44:55
    other guy won mr Albanesey I think there
  • 00:44:58
    are very different values that we have
  • 00:45:01
    Uh I can have a private discussion with
  • 00:45:03
    Peter I can call him round to the office
  • 00:45:05
    and he does so regularly But I don't
  • 00:45:08
    take this personally But I have a very
  • 00:45:10
    different view of Australia and I think
  • 00:45:12
    that Peter has taken his party to a more
  • 00:45:16
    conservative bent than it has ever been
  • 00:45:18
    and I want uh very much to be able to
  • 00:45:22
    continue uh the work that our
  • 00:45:24
    government's been able to achieve All
  • 00:45:26
    right Mr D Well David uh on matters of
  • 00:45:29
    national security or issues that are
  • 00:45:30
    important for our country uh the prime
  • 00:45:32
    minister and I can have a conversation
  • 00:45:33
    and have on a number of occasions to
  • 00:45:35
    find a bipartisan position to to advance
  • 00:45:38
    that cause Uh but as Anthony points out
  • 00:45:41
    we've got different visions and
  • 00:45:43
    different pathways And it really hurts
  • 00:45:45
    me to see young Australians completely
  • 00:45:47
    locked out of the out of the housing
  • 00:45:49
    market
  • 00:45:52
    is putting off having kids under this
  • 00:45:53
    government and the reason the prime
  • 00:45:55
    minister is running a scare campaign at
  • 00:45:56
    the moment is that he doesn't want to
  • 00:45:58
    talk about the reality of the last 3
  • 00:46:00
    years All right time for your closing
  • 00:46:01
    statements Mr Dutton to you first Well
  • 00:46:04
    David uh as we go to the 3rd of May uh
  • 00:46:06
    people need to reflect on what's
  • 00:46:08
    happened in our country in your lives
  • 00:46:10
    over the course of the last 3 years And
  • 00:46:13
    as I said in my opening remarks can you
  • 00:46:15
    answer the question are you better off
  • 00:46:16
    today than you were 3 years ago and for
  • 00:46:19
    the vast majority of Australians the
  • 00:46:20
    answer is no We have a positive plan for
  • 00:46:22
    our country We have a desire to manage
  • 00:46:25
    our economy And if people vote for the
  • 00:46:26
    Liberal and National parties at the next
  • 00:46:28
    election we'll successfully manage the
  • 00:46:30
    economy to clean up Labour's mess We'll
  • 00:46:32
    bring inflation down which brings
  • 00:46:34
    interest rates down will restore the
  • 00:46:36
    dream of home ownership If Australians
  • 00:46:38
    vote for their Liberal and National
  • 00:46:39
    Party candidates at the next election
  • 00:46:41
    they'll get a 25 reduction in the price
  • 00:46:43
    of petrol and diesel and $1,200 back the
  • 00:46:47
    tax that you've paid to help you cope
  • 00:46:48
    with the pressures that you're under at
  • 00:46:50
    the moment Look I'll give Dutton he has
  • 00:46:52
    figured out some sweeteners that he can
  • 00:46:53
    chuck at people I don't think that
  • 00:46:55
    anybody really cares about the fuel
  • 00:46:56
    excise do they the 1,200 bucks I think
  • 00:46:59
    people will go "Yeah hell yeah Yeah I go
  • 00:47:02
    to H&R Block and this time I'm getting
  • 00:47:04
    back 1,500 cuz normally I only get 300
  • 00:47:07
    Just in case you didn't get the maths
  • 00:47:09
    straight away It's a lot better than
  • 00:47:10
    what he had maybe 3 days ago which was
  • 00:47:15
    nukes I can't believe that anybody
  • 00:47:18
    sincerely thinks that Peter Dutton is
  • 00:47:20
    going to address the housing crisis
  • 00:47:21
    Everything that he has suggested so far
  • 00:47:23
    is massive amounts of fuel to the fire I
  • 00:47:26
    mean the superanuation thing is so
  • 00:47:28
    egregious That's way worse than him
  • 00:47:31
    announcing "Oh we're just going to get
  • 00:47:32
    rid of mortgages." That's way worse And
  • 00:47:34
    reduce the problem of crime as it exists
  • 00:47:37
    in our communities in our suburbs across
  • 00:47:39
    the country My vision for our country is
  • 00:47:42
    to make us a safer more prosperous
  • 00:47:43
    nation And on the 3rd of May I ask for
  • 00:47:46
    the support of the Australian people
  • 00:47:47
    Thank you Mr D Mr Albanese your closing
  • 00:47:49
    statement This election is a real choice
  • 00:47:51
    a choice between Labour's plans to build
  • 00:47:54
    Australia's future and the coalition's
  • 00:47:56
    plans for cuts When it comes to
  • 00:47:59
    education we have schools funding child
  • 00:48:01
    care making it more affordable Our
  • 00:48:04
    universities accord or a plan to get rid
  • 00:48:07
    of free TA to cut schools like happened
  • 00:48:10
    last time with $30 billion of cuts on
  • 00:48:13
    Medicare will strengthen it You know
  • 00:48:15
    people know that we believe in Medicare
  • 00:48:18
    and they know that the last time they
  • 00:48:20
    were in government and Peter was the
  • 00:48:21
    health minister they tried to introduce
  • 00:48:24
    an abolition of bulk billing That is a
  • 00:48:26
    choice that they have on climate change
  • 00:48:29
    We've heard tonight no acceptance of the
  • 00:48:31
    science of climate change We accept it
  • 00:48:33
    and we're acting on it with renewables
  • 00:48:35
    backed by gas batteries and making sure
  • 00:48:39
    uh that uh we deliver on climate change
  • 00:48:43
    and on renewable energy When it comes to
  • 00:48:46
    agenda issues that we didn't confront
  • 00:48:48
    today we've had a women's health program
  • 00:48:50
    the most significant that we have had We
  • 00:48:53
    have had paid parental leave We have had
  • 00:48:57
    uh a a gender program that puts women at
  • 00:49:00
    the center of our economic and social
  • 00:49:02
    agenda and the coalition uh have not
  • 00:49:06
    done anything on any of those issues on
  • 00:49:09
    our place in the world We need to have a
  • 00:49:13
    considered approach a diplomatic
  • 00:49:15
    approach not the shoot from the hip
  • 00:49:18
    approach that we've
  • 00:49:19
    seen going Thank you very much for
  • 00:49:23
    joining us this evening We do wish you
  • 00:49:25
    well for the remainder of the campaign
  • 00:49:27
    Do you think that that's probably enough
  • 00:49:28
    thank you for sitting around and it's
  • 00:49:31
    great that we all just learned the
  • 00:49:32
    issues together isn't it it's nice to
  • 00:49:35
    see that the youth care
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