11 Critical Moments In Jen McCabe's Karen Read Retrial Testimony

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Resumen

TLDR在Karen Reed的重审中，证人Jen McCabe阐述了当她发现Jon O'Keefe尸体时的情形，并回应了检方的质询。检方认为Reed在醉酒状态下驾车撞到O'Keefe，而McCabe则被辩护律师指控为掩盖证人，她告知调查人员Reed喊"我打了他"。McCabe的Google搜索也成为讨论热点，支持者认为这是对Reed不利的证据，辩方则强调她是应Reed的要求进行搜索。最终，McCabe被质疑是否在与他人协同保持一致的证词，同时她的记忆被用作反驳她的证词的一部分。

Para llevar

  • 🔍 McCabe证实了Reed的陈述。
  • 🚨 Reed被指控在醉酒中造成O'Keefe的死亡。
  • 💔 McCabe与O'Keefe家庭关系密切。
  • 📱 谈论的Google搜索引发争议。
  • 🥴 支持者认为McCabe是掩盖者。
  • 👮‍♀️ 辩方质疑McCabe的证词一致性。
  • 🕒 搜索时间被辩论。
  • 📞 McCabe描述了与Reed的电话交谈。
  • 💬 Reed认为自己有没有可能撞到他。
  • ⚖️ 案件仍在审理中。

Cronología

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    在凯伦·里德的再审中，杰妮弗·麦凯布证实了她听到被告对第一响应者说的第一句话是"我打了他"。她在法庭上讲述了约翰·奥基夫尸体被发现的早晨，面对严厉的交叉询问，辩方强调她对案件的关键性，这影响了辩护策略。

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    杰妮弗·麦凯布是凯伦·里德辩护团队指控阴谋的一部分，因为她声称在一个与奥基夫争执的晚上，里德在喝醉后将奥基夫撞倒并抛弃于雪中。麦凯布与里德的关系密切，这使她的证词更为复杂。

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    麦凯布在酒吧看到凯伦和约翰时很高兴，但他们并没有进入她妹妹的家。她描述了离开酒吧后的情景，包括如何与她的丈夫开车回家，以及后来的电话内容。

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    在接到约翰侄女凯莉的四点五十三分的电话后，麦凯布了解到，凯伦惊慌失措，声称约翰没有回家并询问她是否打了他。这个情绪激动的谈话内容中包含了凯伦的信息，显示出她对自己的行为的不确定和恐慌。

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:56

    杰妮弗·麦凯布接受了挑战性的交叉询问，控方和辩方都试图揭示证词中的不一致，尤其是在谷歌搜索"在寒冷中死去需要多长时间"的时间点上，麦凯布声称是应凯伦的要求进行搜索，这成为重大争论的焦点。

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  • Karen Reed被指控的是什么？

    她被指控是在醉酒情况下造成男友Jon O'Keeffe的死亡。

  • Jen McCabe的证词对案件有什么影响？

    McCabe的证词成为指控和防守的焦点，揭示Reed可能的动机与事件当晚的活动。

  • 有什么争议围绕McCabe的Google搜索？

    Reed的支持者认为McCabe的搜索反映了她的罪恶感，而检方则表示她是在Reed的要求下进行搜索。

  • 此案目前的状态是什么？

    Karen Reed正在进行重审，案件仍然受到关注。

  • 案件的主要证人是谁？

    主要证人是Jen McCabe，她与死者Jon O'Keeffe的家庭关系密切。

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    Do you remember the defendant saying
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    anything to the first responder? Yes.
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    What did she say? Um, she told the first
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    responder, "I hit him. I hit him. I hit
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    him." Jen McCabe back on the stand in
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    Karen Reed's retrial telling the story
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    of the morning John O'Keefe's body was
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    found in the snow and facing a grilling
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    on cross-examination. You never told
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    Trooper Proctor that my client said I
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    hit him either. Did you? Oh, I told him.
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    Yes, I did.
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    [Music]
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    Welcome to Crime Fix. I'm Anget Levy.
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    One of the witnesses people watching the
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    Karen Reed trial have wanted to hear
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    from the most is Jennifer McCabe. And
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    they got to hear from her during the
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    second week of Karen Reed's retrial.
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    McCabe has been a key figure in the case
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    because Karen Reed's defense has honed
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    in on her as a key figure in their
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    conspiracy theory that Reed was framed
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    for the murder of Boston police officer
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    John O'Keefe, who was Reed's boyfriend.
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    The Commonwealth says that Reed was
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    drunk that night in January of 2022 and
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    that she and O'Keeffe argued outside of
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    the Albert's house on Fair View Road and
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    then Reed backed her SUV into O'Keeffe
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    in a drunken rage and left him to die in
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    the snow after a night of drinking. Reed
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    has focused on Jen McCabe because she
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    was with Karen Reed that morning when
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    Reed found O'Keefe's body covered in
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    snow in the yard along with Carrie
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    Roberts. But more importantly, Reed has
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    claimed that McCabe was part of the
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    cover up because of a 2:27 a.m. Google
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    search on Mabe's phone that reads, "How
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    long to die in the cold?" Experts for
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    the Commonwealth say that search
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    actually happened after 6:00 a.m. and
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    that McCabe Googled it at Reed's
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    request. But to Karen Reed supporters,
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    Jen McCabe is public enemy number one.
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    Special prosecutor Hank Brennan started
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    the questioning of McCabe by asking her
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    to tell the jury about herself.
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    Yeah. So, I um was a teacher and then
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    once I had children, I stayed at home
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    with them and basically was just kind of
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    like your typical I don't know, small
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    town mom. Um I was the room parent. I
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    coached them. I
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    I'll allow it, but why don't we Yes.
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    Um, when I coached, I drove the kids
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    back and forth on my team, would take
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    them places, etc. McCabe then explained
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    how she became friends with John
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    O'Keefe. Share with us meeting John
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    O'Keefe. Sure. When um my third daughter
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    was in kindergarten, she became friends
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    with John's niece. And um during that um
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    kindergarten school year, um
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    unfortunately, Kayle's um mother and
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    father both passed away. and John uh
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    moved in the house and became Mr. Mom.
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    When John took over guardianship of the
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    children, did you assist in an active
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    role in helping him? Yes. Um Kaylee and
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    my daughter were very close. So um she
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    would come over and play. My daughter
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    would go over there. Um Kaylee would
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    come and have sleepovers. Um, a lot of
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    times it would be on Friday nights I
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    would have Kaye and then um, another
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    individual would have Patrick.
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    Had you known John O'Keefe well before
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    he took over guardianship of the
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    children? No.
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    During the time when he was the guardian
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    of the children, did your relationship
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    not just with his niece and nephew but
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    with him grow any closer? Yes, we became
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    very good friends. U, how close of
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    friends did you become over the years?
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    Um well throughout the years obviously
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    when they were younger um you know we
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    talked more you know just about the
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    logistics of CCD pickup drop off
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    basketball
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    um sports but then he would also call me
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    you know about you know as the girls got
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    older oh the girl drama or you know the
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    McCabe was at the Waterfall Bar that
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    night when John O'Keefe and Karen Reed
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    arrived and she said she was happy to
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    see them. Then they all planned to go
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    back to her sister's house on Fair View
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    Road. Despite seeing Karen Reed's SUV
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    out front, she says they never came
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    inside. Then McCabe said she and her
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    husband left. And your husband and you
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    you passed by the front of the house?
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    Yes. Did you pass by the flag pole? Yes.
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    Were you looking at the flag pole? No.
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    And uh how dark was it at that point? It
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    was dark. Snow? Yes.
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    As you're passing the flag pole, do you
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    hear or see anything remarkable?
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    No, I'm not really paying attention. And
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    I'm just chatting to the girls and
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    Matt's just focusing on driving. When
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    you're talking to the girls and they're
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    making fun of you, what's the mood in
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    the car? We're all laughing and joking.
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    Where do you go next? We drive um Julie
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    Nagel home. Jen McCabe then explained
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    what she did after she got home around
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    2:27 a.m. When you go to bed, do you
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    stay up at all? Yes. Do you use your
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    iPhone? Yes, I do. What were you doing?
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    Um, I texted a few people and then I did
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    a couple of Google searches. And what
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    were the searches for? Um, one, my
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    daughter had played in a basketball game
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    earlier in the night and it was a very
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    good game, so I went and I read the
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    report on it. And then my other daughter
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    had an offer to play um on a basketball
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    um team. So, uh, we had to make a
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    decision about whether or not we were
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    going to accept the spot. So, I was just
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    looking up that um basketball club.
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    Other than those regular searches that
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    one would do, was there anything
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    remarkable about what you were searching
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    at 2 227 that time frame? No.
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    After you were looking at websites for
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    your child's sports, what did you do? I
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    put my phone down and went to sleep. And
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    up to that point, had there been
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    any discord or fighting or arguments in
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    your world? No.
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    Peaceful night? Yes. Did you go to
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    sleep, Miss McCabe? Yes. Then McCabe
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    told the jury about being awakened by a
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    phone call.
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    At
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    4:53, my phone rings and I look at my
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    caller ID. I look at the phone and it's
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    Kaye. John's niece. John's
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    niece. Um, and I say hello and she said,
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    "Yeah, well, basically she related to me
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    that um,
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    next question. When you pick up the
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    phone, could you hear a voice on the
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    other end?" I heard a voice and a lot of
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    screaming. And the voice you heard, is
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    that Kaylee, John's niece? Yes. In the
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    screaming, was it a man or a woman
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    screaming? It was a woman. How loud was
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    that person screaming? very loud. Could
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    you make out anything that person was
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    saying as they were screaming? Um, my
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    name was screamed a lot. Um, and then I
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    the other individual ended up getting on
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    the phone with me. And And who was that
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    person that was screaming in the
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    background? Miss Reed. How long was she
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    screaming for while you were speaking to
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    your niece before you spoke to her?
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    Um, the entire time I was speaking to
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    Kaye, she was screaming. Describe her
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    demeanor.
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    Miss Reads. Yes. Um, Jen,
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    Jen. Um, and then she's screaming that
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    John didn't come home. Um, she left him
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    at the waterfall. She was hysterical. I
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    was very hard to follow what she was
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    saying.
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    How long did that first call last for?
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    I'm not sure how long. Um may possibly a
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    few minutes. Um but it was loud enough
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    and long enough that my husband shot up
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    in bed thinking one of my kids had come
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    in the room screaming.
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    When without saying what your niece
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    said, could you describe your niece's
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    demeanor when you first spoke to her? I
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    mean John's niece's demeanor.
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    I would say Kaye sound concerned,
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    uneasy. Okay.
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    During that phone call, other than the
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    screaming and the screaming of your
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    name, did the defendant give you any
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    information other than she had dropped
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    John off at the waterfall. They had
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    gotten into a fight. She had left him
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    there and he didn't come home. But
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    McCabe said Karen Reed then said
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    something different after she revealed
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    some information to her. I had told her,
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    Karen, I saw you guys outside of u my
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    sister's house. And then she told me she
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    didn't remember being there. And then
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    she went on to say, she started saying,
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    "Could I have hit him? Did I hit him? I
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    don't." And then she just
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    was just all over the place, like
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    screaming my name, screaming so many
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    different things. She was hard to follow
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    or understand. When she was saying to
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    you, "Did I hit him? Could have I hit
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    him." Was that before or after you
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    informed her that you had seen her out
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    front of your sister's house? It was
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    after I told her that. She also informed
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    me that she had cracked her tail light.
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    And what about the howl long to die in
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    the cold Google search? McCabe said that
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    Karen Reed asked her to do that search
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    after they found John O'Keefe's body on
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    Fairview Road. And then at one point we
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    saw um them moving John towards the um
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    ambulance. And at that point um Miss
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    Reed started yelling to Miss Robbins,
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    "Go check on him. Are they working on
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    him? Is he Is he dead? Is he dead?" And
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    at that point, myself and Miss Reed got
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    out of the car and um she started
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    yelling and pulling on me to um Google
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    hypothermia and Google how long it takes
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    for somebody, you know, to die in the
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    cold.
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    When the defendant first asked you to
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    Google an inquiry about hypothermia,
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    were you still inside the police cruiser
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    or were you outside? Um outside.
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    What was the weather? I know it's an
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    obvious question, but how cold was it?
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    Um, it was very cold, windy, the snow
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    was blowing. Um, as I stated, I have um
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    multiple scerosis. So, when I am out in
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    either extremely hot or cold
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    temperatures, I lose um the feeling and
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    sensation in my fingers. Um, which
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    obviously made the googling very hard
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    for me to do because of my, you know,
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    motor skills. So when you were outside
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    of the car with the defendant and she
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    had asked you to do a search regarding
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    hypothermia, did you try to do that?
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    Yes, I did. Do you know the exact time
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    from your memory? Not from reading or
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    learning, but from your memory. Do you
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    remember the exact time you did that?
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    No. Um, was it after the police came
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    that morning? Yes.
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    Had you ever ever attempted to search
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    about hypothermia any time before that
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    moment? that morning? No. Or that day?
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    No. That week? No. Was this the first
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    time that morning after the defendant
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    asked you to search that you searched
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    that phrase? Yes, it was. And did you
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    complete your search and get a result?
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    So, I think I don't know what came up
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    because I think as I entered it, I don't
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    I think I misspelled things. Um, and so
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    then I think I tried a second search.
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    Um, and again, I don't think I even paid
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    attention to what came up because we
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    were already on to the next thing. Karen
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    was already moving and screaming about,
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    you know, the next thing to Carrie. As I
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    mentioned, Karen Reed supporters say Jen
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    McCabe is public enemy number one. Not
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    only because of that Google search, but
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    Mabe's supporters will tell you it's
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    because she saw Karen Reed outside of
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    Fair View Road that night and ruined her
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    cover story. On cross-examination, Alan
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    Jackson pointed out instances where he
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    claims McCabe lied to federal
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    investigators. Did reviewing those
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    paragraphs refresh your recollection as
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    to whether or not as to what you told
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    those agents initially? I'm sorry, what
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    you told those officers initially from
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    that other law enforcement agency. Uh
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    that about who you contacted in that
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    10-minute interval.
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    Yes, I told them. And you told them that
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    you you had contacted your husband, Matt
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    McCabe. Yes. And Carrie Roberts.
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    Correct. I want to stick with that for
  • 00:13:17
    just a quick second. One of the first
  • 00:13:19
    calls you made after being contacted by
  • 00:13:22
    this other law enforce these other law
  • 00:13:24
    enforcement officers from a different
  • 00:13:26
    agency. Uh, one of the first calls you
  • 00:13:28
    made was to Carrie Roberts. Is that
  • 00:13:29
    right?
  • 00:13:32
    She was the first one. I That's what I'm
  • 00:13:34
    asking. One of the first two calls you
  • 00:13:36
    made, your husband, right? Come home.
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    There's law enforcement outside my door.
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    I'm guessing is what you said. Correct.
  • 00:13:42
    I don't remember my exact words now. But
  • 00:13:44
    I did ask him to come home. Correct. And
  • 00:13:47
    Carrie Roberts. Okay. Yes. You wanted to
  • 00:13:49
    let Miss Roberts know that you had been
  • 00:13:51
    contacted by certain officers from a
  • 00:13:54
    different agency. Correct.
  • 00:13:57
    I was curious if I was curious as if
  • 00:14:00
    they had already been to her. That was
  • 00:14:02
    my that was my next question. You also
  • 00:14:05
    wanted to find out had the have these uh
  • 00:14:07
    law enforcement officers from this
  • 00:14:09
    different agency contacted her? Correct.
  • 00:14:12
    Yes. Cuz typically if you enter a town,
  • 00:14:14
    she's Miss McCabe. Yes or no? Oh, sorry.
  • 00:14:17
    I was just trying to explain. I'm sorry.
  • 00:14:18
    Is that why you contacted her to find
  • 00:14:20
    out if in fact they had contacted her
  • 00:14:23
    before you? Yes or no? Yes. And you also
  • 00:14:28
    wanted to find out what she told them if
  • 00:14:31
    she had been contacted by them. Correct.
  • 00:14:33
    That was your motive in calling her. No.
  • 00:14:36
    So, you just wanted to find out had she
  • 00:14:38
    been contacted. But if she had said yes,
  • 00:14:41
    you weren't going to say, "And what the
  • 00:14:43
    hell did they say? What' they ask you?"
  • 00:14:46
    Well, I can't I most I can't say what I
  • 00:14:49
    would have answered, what I would have
  • 00:14:51
    asked her, but I know I was calling to
  • 00:14:54
    see if they had been there. Yes. That
  • 00:14:57
    was your intent. I called to ask her if
  • 00:14:59
    they had been there. Yes. So, that was
  • 00:15:01
    your intent? Yes. Yes. Okay. Jackson
  • 00:15:04
    claims McCabe was trying to coordinate
  • 00:15:06
    stories.
  • 00:15:07
    Your motive in calling Carrie Roberts at
  • 00:15:09
    that moment before your interview was to
  • 00:15:13
    ensure that your story would line up
  • 00:15:16
    with her story, Miss McCabe. Isn't that
  • 00:15:18
    right? No, that is not.
  • 00:15:22
    You wanted to find out if she had talked
  • 00:15:24
    to these particular law enforcement
  • 00:15:26
    officers and what she had told them so
  • 00:15:29
    that your story could somehow align or
  • 00:15:32
    it could inform how you responded to
  • 00:15:34
    questions that they asked you. Isn't
  • 00:15:36
    that true? That's not true. We both know
  • 00:15:39
    what happened. We don't have to have a
  • 00:15:40
    story. There is no story. There's what
  • 00:15:43
    happened and that's it. So, if that's
  • 00:15:45
    true, Miss McCabe,
  • 00:15:48
    you have no reason to call Carrie and
  • 00:15:51
    ask her if she had been contacted by the
  • 00:15:53
    law enforcement agents because it's just
  • 00:15:55
    the truth. Correct. We're going through
  • 00:15:58
    this whole experience together. We call
  • 00:16:00
    each other about everything. That's
  • 00:16:02
    nothing more than that. I'm sorry. Let
  • 00:16:04
    her finish her answer. Go ahead, Miss
  • 00:16:06
    McCabe. You can finish that. There's
  • 00:16:08
    nothing more than me calling and saying,
  • 00:16:10
    "Hey, did they come to your house?"
  • 00:16:11
    That's what we did when the media showed
  • 00:16:13
    up. When Miss Reed's private
  • 00:16:15
    investigator showed up, we just give
  • 00:16:17
    each other the heads up. Hey, somebody's
  • 00:16:19
    coming cuz we're just like normal moms.
  • 00:16:21
    We're not used to this. Jackson
  • 00:16:23
    continued his attack on Jennifer
  • 00:16:24
    McCabe's credibility by using her grand
  • 00:16:26
    jury testimony against her to imply her
  • 00:16:29
    recollection of the night's events could
  • 00:16:31
    be wrong. actually recounted to the
  • 00:16:35
    grand jurors a conversation that you
  • 00:16:38
    said my client had with a female EMT
  • 00:16:43
    standing right there exactly as you
  • 00:16:46
    testified to today. Female EMT. You see
  • 00:16:50
    that? I do. Yes.
  • 00:16:54
    And what did you say my client's
  • 00:16:57
    statements were in front of that female
  • 00:17:00
    EMT in this? I say that she said, "Could
  • 00:17:03
    I have hit him? Is he dead?" It's
  • 00:17:06
    actually, "Did I hit him?" Oh, sorry. I
  • 00:17:08
    missed that part. I apologize. Did I hit
  • 00:17:10
    him? Could I have hit him? Is he dead?
  • 00:17:12
    Is he dead? Is he dead? And that was at
  • 00:17:15
    the scene in front of the female EMT.
  • 00:17:19
    Exactly the scene that you're
  • 00:17:21
    describing. You attributed the three
  • 00:17:23
    statements to my client to to death.
  • 00:17:26
    Correct. There was many different times
  • 00:17:28
    when we were talking to different EMTs.
  • 00:17:31
    The female EMT, the men, police
  • 00:17:34
    officers.
  • 00:17:36
    May I approach you? Yes.
  • 00:17:45
    Just a moment, your honor. Sure.
  • 00:18:15
    Miss McCabe, your full statement.
  • 00:18:19
    at page
  • 00:18:23
    208, starting at lines 22 through 25
  • 00:18:27
    going on to page
  • 00:18:31
    209 down to line four was quote, "So
  • 00:18:36
    there are different, you know, police
  • 00:18:38
    officers getting statements from us and
  • 00:18:40
    at one point I'm standing with Miss Reed
  • 00:18:42
    and she's saying, "Did I hit him? Could
  • 00:18:44
    I have hit him?" And there was, I
  • 00:18:46
    believe, an EMT, a female, standing
  • 00:18:48
    right next to me, listening to her,
  • 00:18:50
    yelling, "Did I hit him? Could I have
  • 00:18:52
    hit him? Is he dead? Is he dead? Is he
  • 00:18:54
    dead?" Was pretty non-stop. Pretty much
  • 00:18:58
    non-stop. That was your testimony in
  • 00:19:01
    front of the grand jurors. Correct. Yes,
  • 00:19:03
    it was. And that was April
  • 00:19:06
    26th, 2022. Correct. Correct. At one
  • 00:19:10
    point, Jackson puts Trooper Proctor's
  • 00:19:12
    report in front of McCabe. Let's take a
  • 00:19:14
    look. Okay. Is there something specific
  • 00:19:17
    I should be looking for? I don't think
  • 00:19:19
    you're going to find it, Miss McCabe.
  • 00:19:20
    It's for I hit him. So, again, jurors,
  • 00:19:22
    disregard the comments. So, it's
  • 00:19:25
    question answer format only. My question
  • 00:19:28
    is, do you see the phrase I hit him as
  • 00:19:32
    it's attributable to my client in that
  • 00:19:35
    report? Objection.
  • 00:19:51
    Do you recall telling Trooper Proctor
  • 00:19:54
    that my client said, "I hit him. I hit
  • 00:19:56
    him. I hit him." Objection. Do you
  • 00:19:58
    recall that?
  • 00:20:00
    Yes, I told him.
  • 00:20:03
    He was taking notes at the time. He was
  • 00:20:06
    taking notes. Correct. Alan Jackson
  • 00:20:08
    presses even harder. Trooper Proctor was
  • 00:20:10
    taking notes.
  • 00:20:12
    Yes. About your conversation?
  • 00:20:15
    Yes, he was. He reviewed those notes. As
  • 00:20:16
    a matter of fact, simple. I didn't
  • 00:20:19
    review his notes. I think I've seen a
  • 00:20:20
    report at one point or another.
  • 00:20:26
    On that very day, January 29th,
  • 00:20:30
    2022, when you were asked to recount
  • 00:20:32
    what happened at the scene,
  • 00:20:35
    who was doing what and who said
  • 00:20:37
    what? You never told Trooper Proctor
  • 00:20:40
    that my client said I hit him either.
  • 00:20:42
    Did you? Oh, I told him. Yes, I did. He
  • 00:20:45
    just leave that out of his report.
  • 00:20:48
    I'm not responsible for his report. No,
  • 00:20:50
    you're not. But you have read his
  • 00:20:52
    report. So again, no comments, Mr.
  • 00:20:54
    Jackson.
  • 00:20:56
    You have to report, right? Um, I have
  • 00:20:58
    seen it before. Yes. Now, Karen Reed
  • 00:21:01
    never seems to be at a loss for words,
  • 00:21:03
    and she wasn't after McCabe's second day
  • 00:21:05
    of testimony. What do you think today,
  • 00:21:07
    Karen? How did you Another witness,
  • 00:21:10
    another instance of perjury or
  • 00:21:11
    instances, I'd say. How do you feel
  • 00:21:13
    about her change of demeanor?
  • 00:21:15
    Change in demeanor. I didn't I didn't
  • 00:21:17
    notice. Last trial. I did not notice.
  • 00:21:19
    How did you feel about Karen? Did you
  • 00:21:21
    tell Jen to make that Google search that
  • 00:21:22
    morning? I did not tell Jen to make a
  • 00:21:24
    Google search. I certainly didn't tell
  • 00:21:27
    her to make the one at 227 either. What
  • 00:21:29
    stood out to you most today?
  • 00:21:31
    I we know all the details. We know all
  • 00:21:33
    the changes in statements. It's just
  • 00:21:35
    what will her reaction be? And
  • 00:21:38
    uh it's just more of the same
  • 00:21:40
    inconsistencies. Every statement's
  • 00:21:42
    different under oath, not under oath
  • 00:21:44
    with the cops are all wrong. Um this is
  • 00:21:47
    this is very similar to what we saw a
  • 00:21:48
    year ago. Do you think that she colluded
  • 00:21:50
    with Carrie Roberts? Why is she so
  • 00:21:52
    insensitive? Because she's lying. Do you
  • 00:21:53
    think she colluded? Do you think she
  • 00:21:55
    colluded with Carrie Roberts?
  • 00:21:58
    There was there was influencing going
  • 00:21:59
    on. The cross of Jen McCabe continued on
  • 00:22:03
    Friday with Alan Jackson asking Jen
  • 00:22:06
    McCabe about group text messages between
  • 00:22:08
    her and her family. Julie said channel 4
  • 00:22:11
    is in DNA. And that's from whom? Brian.
  • 00:22:16
    So Brian Albert is explain what that
  • 00:22:19
    text means.
  • 00:22:21
    So Brian Albert is telling us that
  • 00:22:23
    channel that Julie told him channel 4 is
  • 00:22:26
    in DNA. Who's Julie? I'm sorry. Julie
  • 00:22:29
    Albert. Thank you. Let's go to the next
  • 00:22:30
    text. Miss McCabe, can you read what
  • 00:22:33
    this text says, who it's from, and who
  • 00:22:34
    it's to.
  • 00:22:37
    This is from Matt McCabe to myself, my
  • 00:22:40
    sister Nicole, and Brian.
  • 00:22:43
    Can you read it for us, please? Sure.
  • 00:22:45
    eating, I assume. Ask Chris to ask some
  • 00:22:48
    questions. Tell them the guy never went
  • 00:22:50
    into the house.
  • 00:22:52
    What does tell them the guy never went
  • 00:22:54
    into the house mean to you? How did you
  • 00:22:56
    take that?
  • 00:22:58
    I took that as John never came in the
  • 00:23:01
    house. Who's the guy? John. John
  • 00:23:05
    O'Keefe. Yes. And the beginning of that
  • 00:23:07
    sentence is tell
  • 00:23:09
    them that the guy never came in the
  • 00:23:12
    house. Correct. Yes. That is a textbook
  • 00:23:15
    example what we've just seen of
  • 00:23:17
    witnesses colluding with one another
  • 00:23:20
    about a subject matter that's under
  • 00:23:21
    investigation. Correct. And move for
  • 00:23:24
    instruction. All right. Jurors disregard
  • 00:23:27
    that comment. Completely disregard that
  • 00:23:30
    question. Then Alan Jackson turned his
  • 00:23:32
    attention to the house long to die in
  • 00:23:34
    the cold Google search. You Google
  • 00:23:37
    searched the phrase house long to die in
  • 00:23:40
    cold. Yes or no? Yes. on January 29th.
  • 00:23:44
    Correct. Yes.
  • 00:23:50
    So, you agree that you were on Google,
  • 00:23:52
    correct? Yes. You agree that there was a
  • 00:23:55
    search done at 2:27 a.m. Correct. I
  • 00:23:58
    don't recall doing a search at 2:27. The
  • 00:24:01
    paper says it. I don't. Okay. And you
  • 00:24:03
    also agree that at some point that
  • 00:24:05
    morning, you plugged into that phone
  • 00:24:08
    host long to die in cold. Is that right?
  • 00:24:10
    Yes. after we found John O'Keefe. Now,
  • 00:24:13
    you claim that that was at 6:23 and at
  • 00:24:16
    6:24 in the morning. Two iterations of
  • 00:24:19
    how long to die in the cold. How long to
  • 00:24:21
    die in cold? How long ti die in CID?
  • 00:24:24
    Correct. I'm not claiming it. It's the
  • 00:24:26
    truth is what happened. On redirect,
  • 00:24:29
    prosecutor Hank Brennan asked about that
  • 00:24:31
    disputed Google search. Do you think
  • 00:24:33
    your heartbeat was up? Yes. At 2:27 the
  • 00:24:37
    night before or around that time when
  • 00:24:40
    you were looking up Hakamok before you
  • 00:24:42
    went to bed, were you of the same state
  • 00:24:45
    of mind of fear and panic or were you in
  • 00:24:47
    a very different state of mind?
  • 00:24:48
    Objection. Strike the fear and panic
  • 00:24:51
    part. You can answer that though. Were
  • 00:24:52
    you of the same mind or different?
  • 00:24:55
    Different. What was your state of mind
  • 00:24:56
    at that time? I was relaxed. Just
  • 00:25:00
    playing on my phone looking things
  • 00:25:02
    before I went to bed. Do you think your
  • 00:25:04
    heartbeat was as elevated that evening
  • 00:25:06
    as it was the next morning? Sustained.
  • 00:25:12
    When
  • 00:25:13
    you made a search for how long to die in
  • 00:25:17
    the cold or how's long to die in cold?
  • 00:25:19
    Is that something that you thought of
  • 00:25:21
    for yourself? Objection.
  • 00:25:24
    No. Why did you do it? Miss Reed asked
  • 00:25:27
    me to Google it. And when was that? That
  • 00:25:31
    was in the morning after we found him.
  • 00:25:34
    And had you
  • 00:25:35
    ever attempted either of those searches
  • 00:25:37
    before Miss Reed asked you to do that?
  • 00:25:41
    No, I didn't. And that's it for this
  • 00:25:43
    episode of Crime Fix. I'm Anget Levy.
  • 00:25:45
    Thanks so much for being with me. I'll
  • 00:25:46
    see you back here next time.
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