Science and the Quran: A Critique of Weak Arguments for the Truth | Shaykh Dr Sohaib Saeed
Resumen
TLDRThe speaker announces the launch of a new online Islamic community focused on education, which offers courses, interactive sessions, and live events, with all proceeds going to charity. They then discuss the importance of critical thinking when approaching the Quran, particularly arguing against the uses of weak or false arguments to defend Islamic teachings. The speaker critiques the way scientific and linguistic miracles are often assigned to Quranic texts inappropriately, highlighting the tendency to use them as superficial proofs of the Quran's divine nature. They emphasize the need for more scholarly engagement with Islam, suggesting that individuals must analyze arguments critically and nurture a genuine understanding of the Quran without over-reliance on supposed miracles that aren't substantiated within the text. The conclusion stresses intellectual honesty and depth in Islamic studies.
Para llevar
- 🌐 Launch of a new online Islamic learning community.
- 📚 Provides courses, lectures, and live events.
- 💡 Emphasizes critical thinking about Quranic teachings.
- ❓ Questions the integrity of weak Islamic arguments.
- 🔍 Critiques misuse of scientific miracles in the Quran.
- 🧠 Encourages deeper intellectual engagement with Islam.
- 🔑 Highlights the importance of scholarly study of the Quran.
- ⚠️ Warns against reliance on misinterpreted Quranic miracles.
Cronología
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The launch of an online Islamic education community is announced, featuring courses, lectures, and Q&A sessions, with all proceeds going to charity. Individual reflection follows on Islamic studies, involving historical insights and personal experiences with Quranic sciences.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
A personal anecdote is shared about publishing a book on Quranic miracles, initially unintended. The discussion veers towards the truth of the Quran and how to convince others, stressing the growth and nurturing of personal faith through constant engagement with the Quran.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
The speaker raises critical questions about using weak arguments in Islamic discourse, warning against building faith on shaky foundations as such arguments might not withstand scrutiny and could lead to disillusionment.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Discussing the Quran's linguistic miracles, the speaker questions the nature of its miraculous elements, whether singular or cumulative, and critiques contemporary challenges to its uniqueness, prompting reflection on the need for honest discourse in Islamic advocacy.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Addressing modern challenges like AI, the speaker argues against accepting purported Quranic replications, emphasizing the historical context and subjective reception of the Quran's challenges as reasons why such replications won't be accepted in the Islamic community.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Concern is expressed over the liberal use of the term 'miracle' for Quranic phenomena, cautioning against equating beauty or structure with miracles. A call is made to focus on genuinely miraculous aspects while avoiding inflated claims that dilute the term's significance.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Common flaws in miracle claims are highlighted, such as missing the Quran's intended guidance, misjudging its historical understanding, and displaying certainty where it should not exist. The speaker advocates for a more critical and thoughtful approach to Quranic interpretation.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Examples of flawed scientific miracle claims are critiqued, demonstrating the dangers of postulating scientific accuracy in Quranic verses. The importance of contextual and historical analysis to prevent misinterpretations is emphasized.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
A narrative around Quranic cosmology and Islamic history critiques simplistic interpretations of Quranic verses. The historical and scientific grounding of classical scholars is exemplified by their nuanced approach to reconciling Quranic content with empirical evidence.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Two examples from classical exegesis illustrate how historical scholars approached apparent Quranic contradictions on creation order, and relate scientific understanding to Quranic interpretation, showcasing the flexible yet rigorous methodology.
- 00:50:00 - 00:55:00
The pitfalls of reading the Quran through a purely scientific lens without consideration of language and context are discussed, promoting an alternative approach that allows for scientific insights to enhance Quranic interpretation without dominating it.
- 00:55:00 - 01:00:00
The speaker critiques the claim of Quranic miracles reflecting modern scientific understanding, using examples to illustrate the risks of definitive claims that may later be contradicted by scientific developments.
- 01:00:00 - 01:05:00
Warnings against constructing faith around scientifically dubious claims are given, citing examples of such claims that led to both conversions and deconversions. Emphasis is on ensuring Quranic interpretations are critically tested and robust.
- 01:05:00 - 01:10:00
The speaker presents an alternative to scientific miracle interpretations, highlighting classical methods of Quranic exegesis that respect both linguistic norms and scientific insights without conflating the two into miraculous claims.
- 01:10:00 - 01:15:00
An analysis of famous miracle claims, such as bees having multiple stomachs, highlights misunderstandings, encouraging a return to traditional linguistic analysis over speculative scientific alignment.
- 01:15:00 - 01:23:48
The talk concludes with recommendations that emphasize the importance of studying the world for better Quranic understanding, and ensuring any arguments for Islam are critically tested and robustly constructed, fostering sound faith development.
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Preguntas frecuentes
What does the new online community provide?
The community offers transformative Islamic learning experiences, including courses, lectures, live events, and Q&A sessions.
Where do the profits from the online community go?
Profits from the online community go to charity.
What is the speaker's stance on using weak arguments for Islam?
The speaker focuses on ensuring arguments for Islam are strong and truthful, not based on false premises.
How should the Quran be approached according to the speaker?
The Quran should not rely on false scientific or linguistic miracles but should be appreciated through scholarly and truthful study.
Why does the speaker argue against using purported scientific miracles in the Quran?
The video highlights dangers of depending on misinterpreted miracles, advocating for deeper understanding and engagement with the Quran.
What does the speaker recommend when forming arguments for Islamic teachings?
The speaker advises examining and challenging one's arguments to ensure they are strong and intellectually honest.
How does the speaker view scientific miracles in the Quran?
The speaker believes many claims of scientific miracles in the Quran involve misinterpretation and sometimes distortion of text.
What risks do weak arguments pose to Islamic faith according to the video?
The speaker warns that weak arguments can be easily overturned, leading to doubt and weakened faith in Islam.
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- 00:00:00asalamu alaykum we're really excited to
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- 00:00:23[Music]
- 00:00:41and my heartfelt thanks to Kara
- 00:00:44foundation for putting on this event for
- 00:00:46us and of course to Sheik yusf for
- 00:00:50opening with this very penetrating
- 00:00:53historical Insight that helps us frame
- 00:00:56some of the main
- 00:00:57Concepts and all of that as to my own
- 00:01:01thought process as I personally try to
- 00:01:04get to grips with some of these Concepts
- 00:01:07and apply them to what I know about the
- 00:01:09Quran what I experience of the Quran
- 00:01:11what I teach about the
- 00:01:13Quran because my primary field that I'm
- 00:01:16interested in is the field
- 00:01:18of and that's why I've given the
- 00:01:22subtitle after and science to in defense
- 00:01:26of
- 00:01:27T and some of you may know that my
- 00:01:29handle on on the social media his at
- 00:01:33doctor right and that was at first let's
- 00:01:36to say optimistically before I got my
- 00:01:38PhD and then after that it
- 00:01:41became
- 00:01:43alhamdulillah so when I was 17 I did
- 00:01:45something very
- 00:01:47naughty I published a book called
- 00:01:49astonishing facts of the Holy Quran and
- 00:01:51actually this was some work that I did
- 00:01:53and it wasn't intended to be a book it
- 00:01:55was a local radio Ramadan Series in
- 00:01:58glasow and then I put it on a website
- 00:02:01that I had at that time and then some
- 00:02:03Indian Publishers found it and they
- 00:02:05turned it into a book and a few years
- 00:02:07later my brother forwarded me this and
- 00:02:08said is that your book and turn said it
- 00:02:11was indeed my book astonishing facts of
- 00:02:13the Holy Quran in which I patched
- 00:02:18together some of my own work and various
- 00:02:20things found on the internet that talked
- 00:02:22about evidence for the truth of the
- 00:02:25Quran and among those things prominent
- 00:02:28aspect was the scientific miracles of
- 00:02:30the
- 00:02:31Quran and then I
- 00:02:33started and uh the repentance from this
- 00:02:37book is ongoing that's why I have to do
- 00:02:39these kind of presentations to offset
- 00:02:42whatever happened since this book came
- 00:02:43out and I beg the Publishers to stop
- 00:02:46publishing it but they keep reprinting
- 00:02:47it so your duty now is to give me the
- 00:02:51promise that you will never buy this
- 00:02:52book okay if you want to buy this one
- 00:02:54that's fine okay but this one here I'm
- 00:02:57showing you only to warn against it as
- 00:02:59the called did in the books
- 00:03:01of right only to warn against
- 00:03:04it so the aspect that I still actually
- 00:03:07feel happy about when I look back at
- 00:03:09this piece of work was that it took a
- 00:03:13broader angle and a broader approach to
- 00:03:16this question of how do I know that
- 00:03:18Islam is true how do I know particularly
- 00:03:20that the Quran is true which is not the
- 00:03:23only way to know that Islam is true and
- 00:03:25that the prophet sallallahu alaihi
- 00:03:26wasallam is true but is a big part of it
- 00:03:29do we know that the Quran is true so
- 00:03:31that we can call people to follow us in
- 00:03:33the Quran what do we want from all this
- 00:03:36discussion that we're having about
- 00:03:39number one to be convinced by the Quran
- 00:03:43number two to be convincing to others
- 00:03:46who might not yet be convinced and being
- 00:03:49convinced is not just a matter of well
- 00:03:51alhamdulillah I've taken my shahada I'm
- 00:03:53here in Kara Foundation obviously I've
- 00:03:56done enough to get to this point but
- 00:03:58Iman and faith is something which grows
- 00:04:01and something which a constant
- 00:04:03engagement with the Quran in the right
- 00:04:04way would cause our faith to continue to
- 00:04:07grow and that's the case as I study and
- 00:04:10I might be in preparation for some
- 00:04:12lessons that we're going to give or some
- 00:04:14lectures and you delve into the and you
- 00:04:18think more deeply for your own self and
- 00:04:21you say Subhan Allah this is the truth
- 00:04:24this is a perfect book this is a
- 00:04:27powerful discourse this has got depths
- 00:04:29beyond what I knew before today and
- 00:04:32depths which I'm sure I could never
- 00:04:34entirely
- 00:04:36exhaust so that conviction is something
- 00:04:38that we want to always be
- 00:04:41nurturing right that's a y phrase
- 00:04:43nurturing conviction and that is why we
- 00:04:45need to know
- 00:04:47about these things which we Banner under
- 00:04:50the title
- 00:04:54of now these are some questions that are
- 00:04:57in my mind and things that bother me and
- 00:04:59things which concern me from dayto day
- 00:05:02so I'm going to put these questions out
- 00:05:04and I might say something about them but
- 00:05:06I want us to keep them kind up in the
- 00:05:08background of what we are going to be
- 00:05:10thinking about and what we are going to
- 00:05:11then discuss in the question and answers
- 00:05:13as
- 00:05:15well the first of these questions is
- 00:05:17should we accept weak Arguments for
- 00:05:21Islam someone comes to your daa table
- 00:05:23your street dawa you do some kind of
- 00:05:27linguistic jiu-jitsu
- 00:05:30right and you manage to overpower them
- 00:05:32in the instant and they say okay all
- 00:05:34right ASU and they say the rest of the
- 00:05:37shahada with you and they have now
- 00:05:39become Muslim and then we forget about
- 00:05:42them but apart from these problems is
- 00:05:45that the type of thing that we're trying
- 00:05:46to achieve you know you could argue it
- 00:05:49you know we're just trying to save
- 00:05:50people from the Hellfire maybe after
- 00:05:52that they will grow in their
- 00:05:55faith but when doing that is it okay to
- 00:05:58use arguments that are not
- 00:06:00actually accurate they are not
- 00:06:02convincing to somebody else but they
- 00:06:04were convincing to this
- 00:06:06person could we sometimes be convincing
- 00:06:09people who become convinced because of
- 00:06:12their
- 00:06:13ignorance because they don't know
- 00:06:15perhaps the possible counterargument to
- 00:06:17what you're saying your argument might
- 00:06:18be very weak but it's strong enough for
- 00:06:21one particular person so is this a valid
- 00:06:25thing to be
- 00:06:26doing because you know if I were to give
- 00:06:29a talk about the miracle of the Quran
- 00:06:31that wasn't today's talk and it was more
- 00:06:34out in the public I'm assuming here
- 00:06:35people are a little bit more ready for
- 00:06:37some critical ideas if you weren't then
- 00:06:40you would have left after shef's
- 00:06:42presentation or during it but the fact
- 00:06:43that you're still here means you're
- 00:06:45ready for this type of discourse where
- 00:06:48we want to actually do better want to do
- 00:06:50better as a community we want to
- 00:06:52strengthen the way that we are going to
- 00:06:54present Islam to others and in the first
- 00:06:56place we have to strengthen our own
- 00:06:58perspective
- 00:07:00is a strong religion to be defended with
- 00:07:03weak arguments is the truth supposed to
- 00:07:06be supported by falsehood that is to say
- 00:07:09something like trickery where I pull the
- 00:07:11rule over your eyes and I make you think
- 00:07:13that something was uh a convincing
- 00:07:16argument and you just didn't know any
- 00:07:18better and so you accepted it have it
- 00:07:21done right as you can probably tell by
- 00:07:24asking the question my feeling is no we
- 00:07:25wouldn't have done right and we should
- 00:07:27not accept weak Arguments for Islam and
- 00:07:29one of the main problems of it will be
- 00:07:31is that one day that person will hear
- 00:07:33the come to
- 00:07:35argument and the structure that we built
- 00:07:39out of weak arguments will be like the
- 00:07:41house of cards that is blown over by the
- 00:07:44slightest
- 00:07:45wind so we have to think very carefully
- 00:07:48about what we use to defend and promote
- 00:07:51Islam another question that I
- 00:07:53have just uh maybe we'll have some
- 00:07:56perspectives on this later if we talk
- 00:07:58about the Miracles of the
- 00:08:01Quran does the Quran have one
- 00:08:04Miracle does it have one type of
- 00:08:06miracle and if we were to say we're
- 00:08:09thinking specifically about linguistic
- 00:08:11miracles for example is it one Ayah that
- 00:08:14has a linguistic Miracle or many ayat
- 00:08:17have a linguistic
- 00:08:18Miracle are there 6,000 plus linguistic
- 00:08:22Miracles if we were to say for example
- 00:08:25in this Ayah I was so convinced by this
- 00:08:28argument and this point about this Ayah
- 00:08:31that was enough for me to become Muslim
- 00:08:33we've seen this happening and there's
- 00:08:35nothing strange about that so is the
- 00:08:38quran's miracle in one place or is it a
- 00:08:42cumulative effect so if we were to say
- 00:08:45for example one argument might not be
- 00:08:48convincing to everyone but another one
- 00:08:50might be convincing to the other people
- 00:08:52is the miracle actually lots of smaller
- 00:08:54Miracles that make up one big miraculous
- 00:08:57construct
- 00:09:00number
- 00:09:01three would we accept any attempt to
- 00:09:04replicate the Quran today so we talked
- 00:09:06about the historical argument and how in
- 00:09:09a way that is a closed case the M the
- 00:09:14objection the obstruction the
- 00:09:16replication never
- 00:09:18happened so that's a closed case but now
- 00:09:22people are talking about oh what about
- 00:09:24CH GPT and GPT 4 and GPT 5
- 00:09:30right is mentioned in the Quran the GPT
- 00:09:32right don't quote me on this one cut
- 00:09:34from the record okay so this whole idea
- 00:09:38that artificial intelligence will
- 00:09:40actually be able to replicate the Quran
- 00:09:43will be able to replicate the Quran
- 00:09:44people are actually telling me that Dr
- 00:09:48you need to do a course on this issue
- 00:09:49right now is the hot issue of the time
- 00:09:51the of you versus artificial
- 00:09:54intelligence and I wonder why artificial
- 00:09:57intelligence would be considered more
- 00:09:58powerful than the collective
- 00:09:59intelligence of the Arabs so I'm not
- 00:10:01sure what the big deal
- 00:10:04is but for me there's two reasons that
- 00:10:08we should actually become more honest
- 00:10:10about whether this challenge is still
- 00:10:11open or not often times in our da
- 00:10:14presentation we'll say anyone can
- 00:10:15challenge the Quran at any
- 00:10:17time but let's face
- 00:10:20it if someone were to say oh actually I
- 00:10:23have reproduce the Quran what will
- 00:10:24happen is any one of us and are we
- 00:10:27collectively as a community ever going
- 00:10:29to say yeah actually you win you have
- 00:10:32replicated the Quran there's two main
- 00:10:35reasons why this will never
- 00:10:36happen number one
- 00:10:40because too much time has passed really
- 00:10:43and the Arabic language was built upon
- 00:10:46the foundations of the Quran shared with
- 00:10:49us about even and then
- 00:10:52especially the standards have been set
- 00:10:54this is why I asked the question about
- 00:10:56objectivity because in my view it would
- 00:10:59not be possible now for someone to come
- 00:11:01using the same tools and the same
- 00:11:03language that was shaped by the Quran
- 00:11:05for all these centuries and say I've
- 00:11:07managed to use this to construct another
- 00:11:09Quran the time for that was when the
- 00:11:11Quran was still a new phenomenon not
- 00:11:14when everything has now flowed out of
- 00:11:16the Quran in the whole of our Islamic
- 00:11:19history the second reason we wouldn't is
- 00:11:21just because we wouldn't we will always
- 00:11:24prefer the Quran and we will always
- 00:11:25believe in the Quran and we're never
- 00:11:27going to have a quote unquote objective
- 00:11:29reception of any attempt to imitate it
- 00:11:32if it is too similar to the Quran we'll
- 00:11:35say you're just AP in the Quran if it's
- 00:11:36too different we'll say that's nothing
- 00:11:37to do with the
- 00:11:38challenge we will say this is ineloquent
- 00:11:41that's ineloquent we will attack it from
- 00:11:43every
- 00:11:43angle so that's okay I'm not saying that
- 00:11:47we should welcome uh the challenge I'm
- 00:11:50just saying we should perhaps be more
- 00:11:52straightforward about the fact that this
- 00:11:54challenge was
- 00:11:57closed with respect to the L listic
- 00:11:59aspect
- 00:12:01certainly the last critical question
- 00:12:03which underpins things that I'm going to
- 00:12:04talk about is that we are maybe
- 00:12:07overusing the category of to describe
- 00:12:11our topic
- 00:12:13so every single beautiful thing in the
- 00:12:16Quran people will say about it and this
- 00:12:19is the of the Quran so something can be
- 00:12:22very beautiful can be very effective can
- 00:12:24be very powerful can be very convincing
- 00:12:28can be very perfectly
- 00:12:29structured but we go straight to saying
- 00:12:31this
- 00:12:32is and that's actually okay if as long
- 00:12:35as we understand that we're using the
- 00:12:37term loosely we're using the term as a
- 00:12:39catall for everything that is beautiful
- 00:12:42and makes the Quran the Quran and makes
- 00:12:45the Quran the perfect discourse that it
- 00:12:48is but there can be a danger in
- 00:12:51overusing this category especially if
- 00:12:53people are going to invest it with all
- 00:12:55that weight of the technical meaning of
- 00:12:57Thea as we were informed of in the last
- 00:13:02session so if you take it a in a more
- 00:13:05General sense that these things are
- 00:13:08ayat they are indicative signs that make
- 00:13:11us feel that yes this is from God not a
- 00:13:15self-contained argument not something
- 00:13:17that would convince every skeptic but
- 00:13:19perhaps more the thing that
- 00:13:21cumulatively uh lets us see lets us
- 00:13:25understand and lets us feel that we are
- 00:13:28reading and hearing
- 00:13:29the word of God so overusing thej
- 00:13:32category I would add something
- 00:13:34here people also started to throw lots
- 00:13:36of things into the uh Under The Heading
- 00:13:39of so we have for example the
- 00:13:42preservation of the Quran the miracle of
- 00:13:44the preservation of the
- 00:13:46Quran where did we get this idea from
- 00:13:49you know maybe sometime we can do
- 00:13:51investigation as to where this first was
- 00:13:53talked about the preservation of the
- 00:13:56Quran is of course a necessity so that
- 00:13:58we know whether the Quran that we have
- 00:14:00is the Quran is the same Revelation that
- 00:14:03came to the prophet sallallahu alaihi
- 00:14:04wasallam and yes we believe in Divine
- 00:14:07Providence and guidance for this to have
- 00:14:10happened but all those people who were
- 00:14:12preserving the
- 00:14:13Quran they weren't doing so miraculously
- 00:14:16they were investing effort by memorizing
- 00:14:18it by writing it down by copying it
- 00:14:20accurately by preserving it from from
- 00:14:22all this angles of his recitation and
- 00:14:24his writing and documenting exactly what
- 00:14:27is in the mus and how it should be
- 00:14:29and making sure that it's preserved this
- 00:14:32is all by Divine Providence and by
- 00:14:35Divine guidance but not
- 00:14:38Supernatural when we talk about we
- 00:14:41normally thinking of something
- 00:14:42Supernatural and then people are using
- 00:14:44that even as an argument for the truth
- 00:14:46of the Quran see it's perly preserved
- 00:14:48and that means it's from God with a
- 00:14:51little bit of thought is clear that this
- 00:14:53does not
- 00:14:54follow and then they started to talk
- 00:14:56about the miracle of
- 00:14:57theat and and I started to ask next we
- 00:15:01Miracle of or Miracle
- 00:15:04of these are categories of scholarly
- 00:15:07inquiry these are Quran as we saw the
- 00:15:11the branches of Quran and these are
- 00:15:13things that Scholars do and the way that
- 00:15:15Scholars talk about what they do and the
- 00:15:18way that they ensure that they are doing
- 00:15:20their Duty towards the
- 00:15:22Quran Miracles we need to focus on the
- 00:15:24things that really qualify to fall into
- 00:15:27this category
- 00:15:31so these are some common weaknesses in
- 00:15:33claims of Miracles and here I know that
- 00:15:35you're expecting me to talk about the
- 00:15:37scientific aspect and I will inshallah
- 00:15:40but I wanted to perhaps just start with
- 00:15:41a slightly broader
- 00:15:43perspective so when people say about a
- 00:15:46particular Ayah and a particular
- 00:15:48interpretation of that Ayah that this
- 00:15:51contains a
- 00:15:52miracle that this is part of the of the
- 00:15:55Quran this is a
- 00:15:57miraculous verse in and of it
- 00:16:00self these are some of the things that
- 00:16:02happen frequently right this is almost
- 00:16:05like Halal bingul where when I see these
- 00:16:08things I like okay let's check off how
- 00:16:09many of these things happen in the clan
- 00:16:12number one missing the point Allah
- 00:16:15subhana T sent his book with a purpose
- 00:16:17of
- 00:16:18guidance right he sent it with a purpose
- 00:16:21of guidance and sometimes when people
- 00:16:24are giving an argument like for example
- 00:16:26they're reading a certain Ayah in a
- 00:16:28scientific way
- 00:16:30they are going away from what Allah
- 00:16:33intended us to focus on and the point
- 00:16:35that we were supposed to take from it if
- 00:16:38you were to at least combine these two
- 00:16:41then you in sap ground but sometimes
- 00:16:43people they see as if the Ayah came to
- 00:16:46make this point in order to establish
- 00:16:48this miracle later on that well how
- 00:16:52could someone have known that at the
- 00:16:53time of
- 00:16:54Revelation right so a lot of these
- 00:16:56claims they end up missing the point
- 00:16:59worse than that is sometimes attribute
- 00:17:04ignorance and in fact a lot of the times
- 00:17:07even out loud they attribute ignorance
- 00:17:10of the Ayah to whom to the best
- 00:17:12generations to the sahaba and those who
- 00:17:15came after them and God knows what they
- 00:17:17really think about the prophet's
- 00:17:19knowledge sallallahu alaihi wasallam of
- 00:17:21the Ayah itself because they say this
- 00:17:23Ayah says something that no
- 00:17:25one ever could have known until the 20th
- 00:17:30century well then I ask you do you know
- 00:17:34something then that the prophet
- 00:17:35sallallahu Ali wasallam didn't know
- 00:17:36about the Quran usually they don't say
- 00:17:39this part out
- 00:17:40loud but they often do say it couldn't
- 00:17:43have been known except with modern
- 00:17:45instruments so certainly they are
- 00:17:47attributing this ignorance to the
- 00:17:48sahabah they attributing this ignorance
- 00:17:50to all the generations that came in
- 00:17:52between and they are proud of saying
- 00:17:54this they're actually proud of saying
- 00:17:56this because this is the point I'm going
- 00:17:58to share with with you a few videos
- 00:17:59you'll hear these things coming up again
- 00:18:01and again so attributing
- 00:18:04ignorance we can see that there's a
- 00:18:06problem here that we'd have to address
- 00:18:08right it could be that there are certain
- 00:18:11things that were not known to everyone
- 00:18:12and the knowledge about the Quran could
- 00:18:14grow in certain
- 00:18:16ways but a lot of the times these people
- 00:18:18are literally saying no one could have
- 00:18:20possibly known what this a was even
- 00:18:22talking about at all until we had modern
- 00:18:26equipment that could tell us
- 00:18:29what on Earth is a we have no idea 14
- 00:18:32centuries and then someone records a
- 00:18:34pulse Ah that's it now we figured it out
- 00:18:37literally you're going to see a video
- 00:18:38that says
- 00:18:40this ad hoc arguments this is another
- 00:18:43one of these uh problems that we have
- 00:18:46including in the linguistic site people
- 00:18:49will say look how wonderful this wording
- 00:18:51is if it had been anything other than
- 00:18:54this wording
- 00:19:02right the whole thing would have fallen
- 00:19:03apart it would not be eloquent at
- 00:19:06all I'm going to say Ad hog I'll just
- 00:19:09give you an example or two I was once in
- 00:19:12a a circle with a
- 00:19:16teacher and I'm just one of those
- 00:19:18annoying students I would ask questions
- 00:19:20and I'd make problems but this is how
- 00:19:22you become a good student and insh one
- 00:19:24day a good
- 00:19:26teacher so you ask with adab of course
- 00:19:28and I did
- 00:19:30inshah so he said look we were reading
- 00:19:33Al Iman and zakaram says you know how am
- 00:19:38I supposed to have a
- 00:19:44child when I have reached old age and my
- 00:19:47wife is baren so the said look at this
- 00:19:49ad masallah see he first talks about his
- 00:19:52own defect before talking about his wife
- 00:19:55that would be rude if he had done it
- 00:19:57that way so I asked was he roote in
- 00:20:01Sur where he says what does he say you
- 00:20:05can help me
- 00:20:09mar one
- 00:20:14remember
- 00:20:23yeah so this is Again part of the in the
- 00:20:27Quran the same thing is presented in two
- 00:20:29suras in two different ways if we were
- 00:20:32to take two literally the order in which
- 00:20:35things are mentioned bear in mind just
- 00:20:37sorry to blow your minds here but
- 00:20:39Zakaria was probably not speaking
- 00:20:41Arabic and by the way this is like such
- 00:20:44a fundamental point that I think kind of
- 00:20:47goes under everyone's
- 00:20:48radar when we talk about the of the
- 00:20:52Quran the a of the Quran often is
- 00:20:55quoting people's speech do you you think
- 00:20:58first of all that they were all speaking
- 00:21:00Arabic some people do by the way but no
- 00:21:02I don't agree with that number
- 00:21:05two do you think they were all
- 00:21:08speaking and when m is arguing with
- 00:21:10Pharaoh both of them are being to each
- 00:21:12other m is saying words and is saying
- 00:21:15words in response the Quran has given us
- 00:21:20this discourse and when it is presenting
- 00:21:23what people are saying clearly that you
- 00:21:25have to then understand that it's not
- 00:21:27about reporting the their precise speech
- 00:21:30it's about reporting their precise
- 00:21:31intent in their speech and giving you
- 00:21:34even some of the things that surrounded
- 00:21:36that speech it is perfect in the way it
- 00:21:39presents it but not in the sense of it
- 00:21:41was like a tape recording that is played
- 00:21:43back so why is it in one place is
- 00:21:47said and the other place is
- 00:21:50said there must be a deep deep reason
- 00:21:52behind it
- 00:21:54maybe or perhaps it is because each one
- 00:21:58sounds best in his own environment this
- 00:22:00is the F the rhyme in the Surah for some
- 00:22:04people this is like blasphemy why are
- 00:22:06you saying that it's about rhyme well
- 00:22:08because that's part of what makes the
- 00:22:10Quran perfect and beautiful the sound of
- 00:22:12the Quran is part of what makes it
- 00:22:13beautiful we talked about this so why is
- 00:22:16it so strange to say that in one place
- 00:22:18Allah reports what they said
- 00:22:20is in the other place it reports to
- 00:22:23us do we have to then go and say
- 00:22:26actually half of The Magicians said
- 00:22:29and half of them
- 00:22:30said some say this or they said it one
- 00:22:33way and then a few minutes later they
- 00:22:34said it the other way some people say
- 00:22:36this it gets
- 00:22:38complicated so ad H ad hoc argumentation
- 00:22:41is where you say it had to be this way
- 00:22:44and couldn't have been another way and
- 00:22:46then you end up falling into some
- 00:22:48problems because you then attribute the
- 00:22:50very thing that you said couldn't happen
- 00:22:52and then you say oh actually no I have
- 00:22:55made it not have b or not have
- 00:22:59there was one person who posted online
- 00:23:01about there's
- 00:23:04no because is
- 00:23:07for you can count the mistakes here
- 00:23:09number one yes there is in the Quran
- 00:23:11twice number two he says is from this is
- 00:23:14also mistaken because it's actually
- 00:23:17the right it's just basically the main
- 00:23:20thing that you use to call someone is it
- 00:23:22doesn't have to imply them being far
- 00:23:23away but this person said there's no y
- 00:23:26in the Quran because Allah said
- 00:23:31when my servants asked you concerning me
- 00:23:33then I'm near so if Allah had reported
- 00:23:35in the
- 00:23:37Quran it would have contradicted this
- 00:23:40Ayah Subhan Allah Subhan Allah Subhan
- 00:23:42Allah in the comment section right but
- 00:23:44actually on this particular day my um
- 00:23:47was switched on and they asked him sh
- 00:23:51but I I don't think anyone pointed Y is
- 00:23:53actually in the Quran twice but they
- 00:23:55said uh but in the Sunnah is there yeah
- 00:23:59Arab he said yes but you see there's no
- 00:24:01contradiction in the Quran so then I was
- 00:24:03watching on I was like wow did you just
- 00:24:06literally attribute contradiction
- 00:24:08between the Quran and Sunnah well done
- 00:24:10traditionalism has won the day right
- 00:24:12this is the problem you use weak
- 00:24:15arguments you set up the Quran and Islam
- 00:24:18to fail as soon as someone sees the
- 00:24:20whole in your argument the whole thing
- 00:24:22falls down because you didn't just say
- 00:24:25this could be a meaning this could be
- 00:24:28indicative
- 00:24:28you're saying if it had been contrary to
- 00:24:30this there would have been a
- 00:24:31contradiction in the Quran now what did
- 00:24:33you do you Pro that there's a
- 00:24:34contradiction in the Quran according to
- 00:24:35your faulty argument right ad hoc
- 00:24:39arguments false
- 00:24:41certainty this is
- 00:24:43related where we say about a particular
- 00:24:46Ayah that it means such and such the
- 00:24:49scientific Miracles depend upon this
- 00:24:52type of
- 00:24:53certainty because if you think about it
- 00:24:55to say that a certain thing was said by
- 00:24:58the Quran you have to say well
- 00:25:01definitely the Quran is saying this it's
- 00:25:03not really impressive to say you know
- 00:25:05the Quran might have said that there was
- 00:25:07a big ban oh I'm going to take your had
- 00:25:09right now no I have to say the Quran did
- 00:25:11say there's a big ban the Quran does say
- 00:25:13that the universe is expanding the Quran
- 00:25:16does say that the embryo is like this
- 00:25:18and like that it would say it might I
- 00:25:21haven't done anything it's part of the
- 00:25:24industry it's part of like once you
- 00:25:26enter into particular activity you have
- 00:25:27to follow the rules of bit and one of
- 00:25:29the rules here is you have to have
- 00:25:31certainty in what you are saying that
- 00:25:34the Quran means and that is where I come
- 00:25:37in defense of because in the field of T
- 00:25:40very little is certain like
- 00:25:43that is an area of
- 00:25:46exploration it is an evidence-based
- 00:25:49inquiry there are different
- 00:25:51possibilities within the text and
- 00:25:54Scholars will generally tell you about
- 00:25:56those different possibilities and then
- 00:25:57they will tell you why they might favor
- 00:25:59one view over
- 00:26:01others but certainty is not a frequent
- 00:26:04occurrence
- 00:26:07in and H normativity this is a word that
- 00:26:09I made up it's actually been quoted in
- 00:26:12like proper academic Journal papers now
- 00:26:15in conferences they're mentioning HS of
- 00:26:16normativity and then they're creting
- 00:26:18that guy of Twitter that's me that said
- 00:26:21it right so H normativity is where you
- 00:26:25mistakenly act as though a particular
- 00:26:28reading of the Quran which is called the
- 00:26:30one that we mostly all recite by that
- 00:26:34you treat that as if it is the Quran it
- 00:26:36is the only Quran and nothing but the
- 00:26:38Quran right so you are acting as if
- 00:26:42Quran equals
- 00:26:44house and this in most of our daily
- 00:26:47lives is not really an issue or a
- 00:26:48problem but what's interesting is
- 00:26:50sometimes the argument that's made the
- 00:26:52adhoc arguments that are made depend on
- 00:26:56ignoring all the other Kats
- 00:26:59so I'll give you a kind of example of
- 00:27:02this this what I'm sharing to you is
- 00:27:04actually from uh is from the thean
- 00:27:07chapters that I translated and the foot
- 00:27:09note comes from my PhD thesis
- 00:27:13actually so from it is related that when
- 00:27:17there is a barrier in the Quran made by
- 00:27:19Allah it is
- 00:27:21called and when there is a barrier made
- 00:27:23by people it is called s so that is as
- 00:27:27if to say when when the Quran says the
- 00:27:29word sud it means a
- 00:27:30mountain and when it says the word s it
- 00:27:33means something which is a man-made
- 00:27:34construction a wall a back right so
- 00:27:36you're already thinking about stories in
- 00:27:38the Quran where there's a s right we're
- 00:27:41thinking
- 00:27:43about and you know he is building a s
- 00:27:46for the
- 00:27:48people in in his you know third place
- 00:27:50that he visited
- 00:27:52right so this by the way is not a claim
- 00:27:56of a miracle just to be clear
- 00:27:58but this is the format that a lot of
- 00:28:00claims take that's why I think this is
- 00:28:02interesting because you can imagine
- 00:28:03someone could say Subhan
- 00:28:06Allah this is how the
- 00:28:09began see how Allah subh so perfectly in
- 00:28:12his speech whenever he wanted to talk
- 00:28:15about the barrier that he made he called
- 00:28:17it
- 00:28:18sun and whenever he wanted to talk about
- 00:28:20the barrier that people made he called
- 00:28:24a right so this is the way that these
- 00:28:27arguments are
- 00:28:29constructed now already knows where I'm
- 00:28:32going with this because
- 00:28:35he you know recited
- 00:28:38Mah so I did the necessary digging and
- 00:28:42if and I can see that out of the 10 the
- 00:28:45four four out of the 10 reciters right
- 00:28:48if you know about the 10 and 10 that are
- 00:28:51canonical and accepted four of them use
- 00:28:55sud all through the Quran whenever the
- 00:28:57sud is mentioned it is always
- 00:29:01called so in that case those people did
- 00:29:03not follow this rule did not know about
- 00:29:05this rule did not care about this rule
- 00:29:08this rule means nothing to
- 00:29:11them and then in the reading of
- 00:29:14Assam we have and we have
- 00:29:18sh in sh it's always
- 00:29:21sud in it's always s so this is not H
- 00:29:24normativity in fact this is something
- 00:29:26else because this does not apply to H
- 00:29:29just to be clear did not recite with HS
- 00:29:33clearly the two occurrences in Al 93 and
- 00:29:3794 refer respectively to the mountains
- 00:29:40and to a barrier which was asked to
- 00:29:42construct so we would then expect
- 00:29:44according to this rule that the first
- 00:29:46one should
- 00:29:49say right and the second one should
- 00:29:53be and you can find that in the readings
- 00:29:56of all from from
- 00:30:00kufa they do go from sud to S which is
- 00:30:04consistent with the narration
- 00:30:07from however they do not follow this
- 00:30:09rule throughout the Quran because
- 00:30:11inah they
- 00:30:13says despite it being the fact that God
- 00:30:16has placed a barrier in front of them
- 00:30:18and behind them unless you say oh
- 00:30:21actually what we meant is mountains and
- 00:30:23not man made barri uh Allah made barrier
- 00:30:25God made barrier so we can say that
- 00:30:28maybe they are consistent the remaining
- 00:30:30two
- 00:30:33readers and and I cannot find a way to
- 00:30:37square that with the rule or to provide
- 00:30:40any explanation other than said and sud
- 00:30:43are basically the same and is fine
- 00:30:45whether you recited Sudan or san it all
- 00:30:48amounts to the same it's all acceptable
- 00:30:50it's all permissible in the different
- 00:30:53that they
- 00:30:55made so I want you to keep this in mind
- 00:30:57when you certain claims it does it pass
- 00:31:00the test when they say to for example
- 00:31:04every in the Quran is for punishment
- 00:31:07every is for
- 00:31:10mercy first of all it doesn't pass the
- 00:31:12HFF test there is an exception to it but
- 00:31:15it even more comes into trouble once you
- 00:31:17factor in the different because in the
- 00:31:19same place certain people will say read
- 00:31:22and some people will
- 00:31:23say both of them are fine both of them
- 00:31:25are accepted both of them are right
- 00:31:28but they don't all follow the rule in
- 00:31:30the same
- 00:31:34way so here when I said in defense of T
- 00:31:37I want to think about what does a muf
- 00:31:38actually
- 00:31:39do and you know I read a mufas like Ari
- 00:31:44or like right right different uh eras
- 00:31:49I'm going to share something from each
- 00:31:51of them inallah just after
- 00:31:55this so a mu here
- 00:31:58I'm using to stand in for Scholars in
- 00:32:00general who are studying the
- 00:32:02Quran the first thing that they do is
- 00:32:05establish the text establish the text I
- 00:32:08don't mean here to invent the text
- 00:32:11obviously it is revealed it is
- 00:32:14transmitted from the prophet s wasallam
- 00:32:16to his sahab but you know also that
- 00:32:18there was a certain amount of variation
- 00:32:20in the time of the Prophet wasam
- 00:32:22represented by the seven right the seven
- 00:32:25meaning a degree of flexibility of
- 00:32:29variation divinely ordained divinely
- 00:32:32supervised the prophet wasam was
- 00:32:34overseeing what was happening and he
- 00:32:37himself perhaps has recited in multiple
- 00:32:39ways people have heard him in different
- 00:32:42ways they have also adapted things to
- 00:32:44their dialectal norms and they have
- 00:32:46heard something and elaborated something
- 00:32:48and then we come to a period where we
- 00:32:51have something
- 00:32:53called is where a
- 00:32:56particular says well I am going to base
- 00:32:59on the available possibilities recite it
- 00:33:01with this
- 00:33:02combination so some of them might have
- 00:33:04said well I really like the think of the
- 00:33:08mountains as being called sun and the
- 00:33:10man-made barriers as being called sent
- 00:33:13so since both these are transmitted I'm
- 00:33:15going to follow this pattern whatever
- 00:33:18the word occurs right this
- 00:33:21is and you know this is still something
- 00:33:24which people find a bit difficult to
- 00:33:26process because of the way that we have
- 00:33:28sometimes been told about the history of
- 00:33:30the Quran and the preservation of the
- 00:33:32Quran but in short I want you to really
- 00:33:35understand that this is the preservation
- 00:33:37of the Quran and this is the way that
- 00:33:38the Quran was
- 00:33:40preserved is that these people who were
- 00:33:43also knowledgeable about all the
- 00:33:45Sciences of the Quran and they were
- 00:33:47knowledgeable of the grammar of the
- 00:33:48Quran and the language of the Arabs they
- 00:33:51the people who made these choices
- 00:33:53between different options and they
- 00:33:55helped us to receive the Quran in the
- 00:33:57way that we have at
- 00:33:59now including in the seven and 10
- 00:34:04recitations but my point is here before
- 00:34:06even getting to explain the text the
- 00:34:09MU is in a way looking at the text and
- 00:34:11saying which version of the text am I
- 00:34:14engaging with here which part am I
- 00:34:16explaining I'm explaining it as or I'm
- 00:34:18explaining as
- 00:34:19s they are doing also of the Quran how
- 00:34:23do I see this sentence where do I see
- 00:34:26the beginning and end of the sentence s
- 00:34:28right the syntax of it and then based on
- 00:34:32that I'm able to then elaborate more on
- 00:34:34the meaning of the
- 00:34:36text so the second thing and this is the
- 00:34:39most obvious thing the main thing that
- 00:34:40Nea does is to explain the
- 00:34:43text now explaining the text could be
- 00:34:46done in a supposedly objective or
- 00:34:49critical
- 00:34:50way right a few of us are going from
- 00:34:53here down to London the next few days
- 00:34:55we'll be spending rubbing shoulders with
- 00:34:57some of these people who feel or claim
- 00:35:01to be very objective in their study of
- 00:35:02the Quran because they're like
- 00:35:05Al right so there's going to be people
- 00:35:09who feel that they're doing an objective
- 00:35:10study of the Quran whereas as Muslims we
- 00:35:12don't aspire to that type of objectivity
- 00:35:14where every option is on the
- 00:35:18tail when we encountered the Ayah
- 00:35:21in right there's one option that was
- 00:35:23never on the table for us and that is oh
- 00:35:25this a is actually in the wrong place
- 00:35:28right the thought wouldn't even cross
- 00:35:29our
- 00:35:30mind
- 00:35:32instead as Muslims and as Muslim
- 00:35:36Scholars you assume that this is
- 00:35:38actually the best of
- 00:35:40speech and then you find the explanation
- 00:35:44that helps you to see that it's the best
- 00:35:46of
- 00:35:47speech right in in the although it's a
- 00:35:52very vast topic for us to you know we
- 00:35:53don't want to get too sidetracked into
- 00:35:55it but again in the especially in the
- 00:35:57early stage there were certain readings
- 00:36:00that certain muers would look at and say
- 00:36:03I honestly cannot really make much sense
- 00:36:05of this in this
- 00:36:07form and since there's another available
- 00:36:11I consider that one to be more
- 00:36:12reliable right so they would even
- 00:36:14criticize things which as we know
- 00:36:17there's lots of that fell out of favor
- 00:36:19altogether and we know them as the sh
- 00:36:23right so we know them as the
- 00:36:25non-canonical readings or the aaren
- 00:36:26readings or the isolated readings and
- 00:36:29they fell out of favor and they're not
- 00:36:30considered to be part of the
- 00:36:32Quran but even the things that did
- 00:36:35actually make the cut and we have them
- 00:36:37as part of the seven and the 10 there
- 00:36:39are some specific words and specific
- 00:36:41ayas where certain said I don't actually
- 00:36:45like this way of reading it and I think
- 00:36:48it shouldn't be read this particular way
- 00:36:50and we can then go back and criticize
- 00:36:52those muers and criticize those gradians
- 00:36:54and say that they were wrong to make
- 00:36:56their attack on the Kur but in their
- 00:36:58time and place it was reasonable for
- 00:37:00them to say what they said right it's
- 00:37:03only later that things reached a level
- 00:37:05of stability we're now these are the
- 00:37:07seven and these are the 10 and there's
- 00:37:10no more debate over
- 00:37:12that so now we would say okay this
- 00:37:15particular
- 00:37:17tricky is something difficult to
- 00:37:19understand but we're going to make every
- 00:37:20effort to understand it and we're going
- 00:37:22to go deep into the annals of the you
- 00:37:24know D1 of the of the Arabs and the
- 00:37:26register of of the poetry and find the
- 00:37:29Shah the witness that we can call up
- 00:37:31into the court and say Yes actually it's
- 00:37:33okay to break between
- 00:37:35and right and we can find that why would
- 00:37:38we do it because it's the
- 00:37:41Quran so what I'm saying is that we
- 00:37:43don't approach this in a purely
- 00:37:45objective way we do something which I'm
- 00:37:47describing here
- 00:37:49as means I will find the way that this
- 00:37:52actually works and I will make it make
- 00:37:55sense because I assume that it does make
- 00:37:57sense and if I'm struggling to make
- 00:37:59sense of it I will work harder I will
- 00:38:03work harder to make sense of it because
- 00:38:04it is worth it because it is Allah's
- 00:38:07word so this was my problem here and
- 00:38:10what we're probing about subjectivity
- 00:38:12and
- 00:38:13objectivity Muslim Scholars do not have
- 00:38:17that type of objectivity where all
- 00:38:19options are on the table nor should
- 00:38:22they that wheel is another aspect and
- 00:38:25this is re relevant to science
- 00:38:28if you find that something on the face
- 00:38:29of it the you know the word the apparent
- 00:38:33sense of something the most obvious way
- 00:38:35that comes to your mind when you read it
- 00:38:38but this would in result in something
- 00:38:40impossible or let's start to say now
- 00:38:43maybe
- 00:38:45unscientific then we can say is there
- 00:38:47another meaning available for this is
- 00:38:49there a available so I can take it away
- 00:38:51from
- 00:38:52its and I can see it as meaning
- 00:38:55something in MA
- 00:38:58who's done a basic book of B anyone
- 00:39:01studied any text of B yeah not many of
- 00:39:04you so there's an example that comes up
- 00:39:07like in Surah for
- 00:39:11example they Place their fingers in
- 00:39:14their
- 00:39:15ears right so this is one of those
- 00:39:17classic examples they like to give where
- 00:39:19they say well of course they didn't
- 00:39:20Place their whole finger in their ear
- 00:39:22because then they would burst their
- 00:39:23eardrum and it would cause damage to the
- 00:39:25inner ears so what does it mean they
- 00:39:28Place their fingertips in their ears so
- 00:39:31they consider this an example of taking
- 00:39:32away from the towards you know away from
- 00:39:36even towards ma
- 00:39:38towards uh metaphorical figurative usage
- 00:39:42right um so if you take that as the case
- 00:39:46you start to see that actually this is
- 00:39:49something that per me it's all through
- 00:39:52the Quran and in fact all
- 00:39:55through the language that we speak as
- 00:39:58well and in
- 00:40:00English so not on purpose the last few
- 00:40:03sentences that I've said you could find
- 00:40:05lots of examples of ma in them when I
- 00:40:06said all through the Quran here I'm
- 00:40:09comparing the Quran to like a substance
- 00:40:11that or a place that you can go through
- 00:40:13and said through the speech it permeates
- 00:40:16right all of this is and metaphorical
- 00:40:20usage of language is everywhere and when
- 00:40:23I said everywhere also I did it again
- 00:40:25I'm going use it around the clock and
- 00:40:26that's Jazz as well
- 00:40:27right you can't escape it that's as well
- 00:40:31so this is just completely completely
- 00:40:33normal to language don't let people tell
- 00:40:35you that okay only ashar do ma or you
- 00:40:37know this is basically everywhere
- 00:40:41right so that we it means to understand
- 00:40:46things
- 00:40:48sensibly you know sometimes our children
- 00:40:51you know take things too literally and
- 00:40:53sometimes as well if they're being
- 00:40:54insolent they'll do it on purpose to Wi
- 00:40:57us up yeah that's another one wind us up
- 00:41:01so if I said you
- 00:41:03know if I if I told someone to put their
- 00:41:06fingers in the ears I said well I can't
- 00:41:07I can't exactly push it all the way into
- 00:41:09my ears can I so that would be taking
- 00:41:12things literally out of context and it's
- 00:41:16unjustified you're supposed to
- 00:41:17understand sensibly what it means to put
- 00:41:19your fingers in your ears you shouldn't
- 00:41:21need to be an advanced graduate in that
- 00:41:25week to know how to understand it we do
- 00:41:27this naturally so that is what we call a
- 00:41:30charitable reading or a sensible
- 00:41:32reading that's how I'm putting it when
- 00:41:35you're reading the
- 00:41:36Quran you don't take everything
- 00:41:39literally as the basis that's what some
- 00:41:41people will tell you by the way this is
- 00:41:43like supposed to be a rule and I have a
- 00:41:45lot of problem with this rule the rule
- 00:41:47is you take everything literal unless
- 00:41:49you are forced to go to Ma and then you
- 00:41:53can accept some maaz here and there
- 00:41:56right but I think in speech that is not
- 00:42:01normal maybe we can say in the aat of
- 00:42:04where there's like a legal
- 00:42:06instruction this is the point that's
- 00:42:08being made don't jump towards
- 00:42:10metaphorical readings of things when
- 00:42:12there's a literal meaning available then
- 00:42:14that's obviously what we should consider
- 00:42:16intended by God that he's telling us to
- 00:42:18literally for example wash your hands
- 00:42:20and and your face right uh he's not
- 00:42:24saying you know blow on your hands so
- 00:42:26he's is not saying you know wish that
- 00:42:29your hands were clean he's saying wash
- 00:42:30your hands and there we're going to need
- 00:42:32water we should not jump towards
- 00:42:34metaphorical
- 00:42:35meanings but in many many things that
- 00:42:38we're reading in the Quran now we're
- 00:42:40going to start to think about the desri
- 00:42:42descriptions of the heavens and the
- 00:42:44Earth why should we insist on a
- 00:42:46metaphorical meaning sorry why should we
- 00:42:49insist on a literal meaning until we are
- 00:42:51forced to see a metaphoric woman isn't
- 00:42:54it quite appropriate to think that
- 00:42:56metaphor is in play
- 00:42:58I put in the prce because if you've
- 00:43:01studied any you'll be familiar that you
- 00:43:04have certain things which
- 00:43:05are and Universal and then there are
- 00:43:08things which are Universal but there's
- 00:43:10another text that specifies it or limits
- 00:43:13the scope of it this
- 00:43:15is right and then they say there's
- 00:43:18something
- 00:43:21called so something which is stated in
- 00:43:23general terms but you're supposed to
- 00:43:26understand from the general rule of
- 00:43:29things and they you could say from
- 00:43:32reason but just from being
- 00:43:34sensible and not excessively literal
- 00:43:36you're supposed to understand that it
- 00:43:38doesn't refer to every single P right so
- 00:43:42I'm just pointing to where you can find
- 00:43:43this type of idea that I'm talking about
- 00:43:45in our Islamic
- 00:43:48Sciences with me so
- 00:43:50far yeah do I have to make more jokes
- 00:43:53are we okay all right we'll see
- 00:43:57so the third thing that a mu could do
- 00:43:59doesn't always do but can do is to
- 00:44:01praise the text that is to say I've
- 00:44:05talked to you about the meaning now I
- 00:44:07want to say and this is as perfect as it
- 00:44:09could be look how beautiful this is look
- 00:44:12how amazing this is look how powerful
- 00:44:13this is look how effective this
- 00:44:16is and that is not a basic function of T
- 00:44:20but it's something that a scholar might
- 00:44:22well you know give space to and engage
- 00:44:25in to get the audience to get the
- 00:44:27benefit the readership get get the best
- 00:44:29benefit and you can find that there are
- 00:44:31Works which are known as
- 00:44:33bayani or by other names as well but
- 00:44:37this is basically where a person is kind
- 00:44:38of combining explanation of the Quran
- 00:44:40With Praise of the
- 00:44:42Quran and I personally feel that this is
- 00:44:44a very difficult take up to
- 00:44:46walk because the number two part assumes
- 00:44:50that I have to actually be open to the
- 00:44:52different ways that this could be
- 00:44:54understood including ways that are more
- 00:44:56difficult
- 00:44:57B and then the other part is just like I
- 00:45:00have to assume that the Quran is perfect
- 00:45:03as it is so one of them is about being
- 00:45:07open to possibilities the other one has
- 00:45:08to have a very you know absolute
- 00:45:12attitude to the Perfection of the
- 00:45:14Quran so I'm not sure if I can flesh
- 00:45:17this out fully but I think that there's
- 00:45:20attention between these two functions
- 00:45:23that you do find in some works
- 00:45:28right so let's get on to a bit of
- 00:45:29science right but this is a bit old
- 00:45:30science now here's IMI he died in
- 00:45:351210 uh of the
- 00:45:38Gregorian
- 00:45:40era and he is talking about
- 00:45:43Sur the famous Ayah where is going to
- 00:45:47the west and he reaches what's described
- 00:45:51as the setting of the Sun
- 00:46:00and the translation would be something
- 00:46:02like this and he found it setting in a
- 00:46:05pool of murky
- 00:46:07water so IMI says it is established
- 00:46:10through evidence that the Earth is
- 00:46:12spherical and the sky surrounds it
- 00:46:17completely so one can have a debate as
- 00:46:20to what is the cosmology of the Quran
- 00:46:21does the Quran consider the Earth to be
- 00:46:23round does it talk about it that way
- 00:46:26does it talk about the Earth being flat
- 00:46:28are there some verses that seem to go
- 00:46:30this way some verses that seem to go
- 00:46:32that way which ones would we
- 00:46:34prefer and what will we base that
- 00:46:36preference on will we base that
- 00:46:39preference purely on science will we
- 00:46:41base it on internal textual evidences
- 00:46:44and the Sunnah will we be like IMI and
- 00:46:48write a whole book
- 00:46:53called and talk about how you know
- 00:46:56astronomy should be known through the m
- 00:46:57and not
- 00:46:58through uh you know
- 00:47:01observing and there are people by the
- 00:47:03way who are still flatter Earth Muslims
- 00:47:06and still Earth Muslims and there might
- 00:47:08be some in the room don't look around
- 00:47:10you just know some people are the ones
- 00:47:12who are getting angry with what I'm
- 00:47:13saying that's the Flat Earth on right so
- 00:47:15this actually still exists and part of
- 00:47:18the reason is well look certain ayat are
- 00:47:20you know they're talking about the the
- 00:47:22world in this way so on what basis are
- 00:47:24we going to accept you know thanks to n
- 00:47:27Bill Gates you know who are we going to
- 00:47:29believe so imzi all these centuries ago
- 00:47:33said it is established through evidence
- 00:47:36that the Earth is spherical and the sky
- 00:47:38surrounds it completely so it doesn't
- 00:47:41make sense now for him to think that
- 00:47:42there's a place then that's the
- 00:47:44extremity of the Earth where the sun
- 00:47:46could
- 00:47:48set there's also no doubt that the sun
- 00:47:50exists in its orbit it's and this could
- 00:47:53be understood
- 00:47:54within the the late near Eastern
- 00:47:57cosmology of the Spheres of the of the
- 00:48:00sky you might see that he's talking
- 00:48:01about
- 00:48:03that the verse appears to state that
- 00:48:05there were people positioned near the
- 00:48:07sun which cannot
- 00:48:08be it just takes it for granted it
- 00:48:10cannot be that anyone was over next to
- 00:48:12the
- 00:48:13sun moreover the sun is many times
- 00:48:16larger than the earth he knows that as
- 00:48:19well so how could it conceivably enter
- 00:48:22one of the Earth's bodies of water very
- 00:48:24very good question with all this in mind
- 00:48:26mind we can say that the phrase which
- 00:48:28appeared to him to be setting in a murky
- 00:48:30spring can be explained as follows so he
- 00:48:33gives two explanations I've just quoted
- 00:48:34the first of these this is from our
- 00:48:37forthcoming translation by the way of
- 00:48:42uhi when reached a certain point in the
- 00:48:45west Beyond which there were no
- 00:48:47habitations he saw the sun appearing to
- 00:48:49set in a dark Gorge a as he says even
- 00:48:53though it was not so in reality this is
- 00:48:55like a sailor who observes the Sun
- 00:48:56descending as though into the sea if you
- 00:48:59cannot see the shore the reality is that
- 00:49:02it is setting behind the sea as such and
- 00:49:05is proceeding in his path here I'm not
- 00:49:08100% clear on whether razi understands
- 00:49:10the Earth to be
- 00:49:12spinning and the sun to be you know
- 00:49:16relatively still in that
- 00:49:18respect um because that would follow
- 00:49:21from understanding that the sun is many
- 00:49:23times larger and how can it be going
- 00:49:25round the Earth with it's many times
- 00:49:27larger it would have to be traveling
- 00:49:29extremely fast I suppose for that to to
- 00:49:31work so maybe he understands that the
- 00:49:34Earth is spinning but I don't see him
- 00:49:36kind of making that point out
- 00:49:39loud he goes on to argue against the
- 00:49:42flat
- 00:49:43earthers he says the people of
- 00:49:47narration so I'm not sure
- 00:49:50precisely who is intended here but he
- 00:49:53refers to them
- 00:49:54as they said that the sun does indeed
- 00:49:56set in a springful of water and Clay
- 00:49:59however this is extremely implausible
- 00:50:00look at the evidence if you track the
- 00:50:03news of a lunar eclipse and find that
- 00:50:04the
- 00:50:05westerners that's not uh British people
- 00:50:08that's probably like the M right report
- 00:50:12that it occurred in the early evening
- 00:50:14and the easterners report that it was at
- 00:50:16Daybreak we can conclude that the
- 00:50:17evening in the west cooccurs with the
- 00:50:19onset of the following day in the East
- 00:50:22and need the onset of evening at our
- 00:50:23location corresponds to late afternoon
- 00:50:25in another land early afternoon in
- 00:50:27another morning in another sunrise in
- 00:50:29another and midnight in yet another so
- 00:50:31this is it seems remarkable to us maybe
- 00:50:34because we have a certain conception
- 00:50:35about people in the past they knew
- 00:50:37nothing about nothing and in reality the
- 00:50:41Earth being
- 00:50:43round was known long before arazi and it
- 00:50:47was known by
- 00:50:48Muslims
- 00:50:50and talked about that and some mentioned
- 00:50:53that there's something like consensus on
- 00:50:54that and it was probably known by other
- 00:50:58communities before the Muslims as
- 00:51:00well he says since these realities are
- 00:51:02known based on observation of study and
- 00:51:03we realize that the Sun is up and
- 00:51:05observable somewhere at all these times
- 00:51:08the suggestion that it disappears into
- 00:51:09clay and sludge goes against decisive
- 00:51:12facts and this is crucial this cannot be
- 00:51:16said about the speech of
- 00:51:18God so it is incumbent to resort to such
- 00:51:21interpretation as we have mentioned
- 00:51:23above so you see is a
- 00:51:27there's an impossibility of
- 00:51:29that and then
- 00:51:31there's right so the starting point is
- 00:51:34it appears to say something and then we
- 00:51:37say we have good reason to think it's
- 00:51:40not saying that I'm not changing God's
- 00:51:42words I'm trying to understand God's
- 00:51:44words because I don't think God would
- 00:51:46tell me that the sun sets on Earth in a
- 00:51:50muddy
- 00:51:51pool and I would be that insolent child
- 00:51:54if I act as though that's what he must
- 00:51:56be saying because that's what you said
- 00:51:58literally it's what you said yes
- 00:52:00literally but who told you to read
- 00:52:02everything
- 00:52:04literally right so I have to then resort
- 00:52:07to the best interpretation this
- 00:52:11is but you see how this is going to go
- 00:52:14against the idea of scientific Miracles
- 00:52:15because scientific Miracles requires
- 00:52:17everything that's to actually be the
- 00:52:19correct
- 00:52:20meaning right so in fact this contains a
- 00:52:23miracle that the Quran told us that the
- 00:52:25sun does set in the and even if we don't
- 00:52:27know it yet we're going to know it in
- 00:52:28the future one day we will discover that
- 00:52:31the sun does set in a merky pool upon
- 00:52:33Earth this would have to be of course
- 00:52:36sure no one says that but this would be
- 00:52:38a kind of logical thing following from
- 00:52:41what they say
- 00:52:43right because they're assuming that the
- 00:52:45Quran text is super clear and univocal
- 00:52:48and has one meaning and we're pointing
- 00:52:50out that you actually have to do of
- 00:52:52things which would be otherwise
- 00:52:54difficult to understand or would be
- 00:52:56wrong if taken at face value and
- 00:53:00interpreted literally would be wrong
- 00:53:03decisively
- 00:53:07wrong so recently I was
- 00:53:12reading translating in fact translating
- 00:53:15the Quran according to his so I'm
- 00:53:18discovering a lot of really interesting
- 00:53:19things that he talks about one of those
- 00:53:21when he's talking about
- 00:53:30there's a number of interesting things
- 00:53:31here including he thinks the are the
- 00:53:33seven other planets in the solar system
- 00:53:36but that's not what I'm going to talk
- 00:53:37about just now it's the issue of he
- 00:53:41created for you everything on Earth then
- 00:53:45is literally
- 00:53:48then translation is going to be
- 00:53:51something like then he gave attention to
- 00:53:53the heaven to the sky and formed it into
- 00:53:56seven Heavens or seven
- 00:53:59Skies
- 00:54:01so we would normally jump to thinking
- 00:54:03means that something came after then
- 00:54:08later but I points out
- 00:54:11that normally when one sentence is added
- 00:54:14by
- 00:54:15Thum we are not supposed to immediately
- 00:54:17think about chronology and time we're
- 00:54:19supposed to think about how one thing is
- 00:54:22following from another in mention this
- 00:54:24called
- 00:54:27so it's like
- 00:54:28moreover yeah I think even YF Ali's
- 00:54:31translation is like that
- 00:54:32moreover what's more the next thing that
- 00:54:35I'll mention even more interesting even
- 00:54:38more impressive I'm going to tell you
- 00:54:39the next thing is even greater than what
- 00:54:41I just told you that's the idea of the
- 00:54:44concept
- 00:54:46of but it can also be for sequence and
- 00:54:49time it can be both together right so
- 00:54:53here he says this is a crucial quote if
- 00:54:55the sky is were created after the Earth
- 00:54:58then the chronological sense is also
- 00:55:00intended but if the heavens came first
- 00:55:02then it is only Ro it's only order of
- 00:55:05mention and this is more evident
- 00:55:08here so you see it's the scientific
- 00:55:10question it's the question of the fact
- 00:55:12of the matter that is guiding his
- 00:55:14interpretation That's Not Unusual by the
- 00:55:17way it's not like IB as is the only one
- 00:55:19doing this it's just only sensible that
- 00:55:23I'll will read it in the way that makes
- 00:55:24best sense how do I know what makes best
- 00:55:26sense lots of different things and
- 00:55:28factors including what is known through
- 00:55:31science he talks about how the Sal
- 00:55:34differred over this because there are
- 00:55:36some ayat which seem to indicate that
- 00:55:38the heavens came before the Earth and
- 00:55:40others indicate that the Earth came
- 00:55:41before the heavens okay so this one
- 00:55:45seems to indicate the Earth came before
- 00:55:47the heavens then in
- 00:56:05and the Earth after that after the sky
- 00:56:08he well I'm going to leave the this is
- 00:56:11another one of these claims of
- 00:56:12scientific miracle that it means egg
- 00:56:14shaped and then IM made egg shaped
- 00:56:16because the Earth is supposedly egg
- 00:56:18shaped according to Scientific Miracle
- 00:56:19industry but it's not anyway the ha he
- 00:56:24then spread out the Earth so
- 00:56:27so that Ayah seems to be saying the
- 00:56:31opposite of what this Ayah seems to be
- 00:56:33saying so one of them has to yield to
- 00:56:35the other which one will we take as the
- 00:56:37basis and which one will we do that we
- 00:56:40love to kind of explain in a different
- 00:56:43way says the stronger view is that the
- 00:56:46sky was created before the
- 00:56:48Earth number one because the
- 00:56:51expession is more explicit in terms of
- 00:56:54order than this one is
- 00:56:57although he says can also Beed don't
- 00:57:00worry if you want to you can the other
- 00:57:02one if you want to we can just about
- 00:57:04anything there a secret between me and
- 00:57:06you if we want to it we can it it all
- 00:57:10depends on where this uh there away
- 00:57:14right where there's a write that one
- 00:57:17down so he says is more explicit
- 00:57:23than so that's what argument
- 00:57:27secondly because astronomers
- 00:57:29believe that the Earth split off from
- 00:57:31the Sun like the other planets of our
- 00:57:33solar system now he's appealing to signs
- 00:57:36and then thirdly he appeals to the Bible
- 00:57:38the book of The Genesis also presents
- 00:57:39this apparent
- 00:57:41sequence so none of this is an absolute
- 00:57:43knockdown argument he just says this
- 00:57:45is this is stronger this is the better
- 00:57:48of view not that it is the absolute
- 00:57:50truth and the other thing is absolute
- 00:57:52falsehood but you see how the science
- 00:57:54features in his decision about how to
- 00:57:56interpret I want you just to remember my
- 00:57:59core Point here is it has to work this
- 00:58:01way around rather than that the text is
- 00:58:04given as the basis for a scientific
- 00:58:07interpretation which is then confirmed
- 00:58:09by
- 00:58:10science in a way some of the ayat were
- 00:58:12quote unquote confirmed by the science
- 00:58:14and the other ones have to be whe to fit
- 00:58:15the
- 00:58:16science and that's okay because that's
- 00:58:18completely normal and that's what we do
- 00:58:20in T it's completely Norm don't get
- 00:58:22upset about that he says the Quran has
- 00:58:25used non-al
- 00:58:28phrasing to make this point here to
- 00:58:32sight step the dispute between the two
- 00:58:33SS that's how I see his point rather
- 00:58:37than getting into which one came first
- 00:58:38that's really not important in terms of
- 00:58:42the revelation of the Quran the purpose
- 00:58:43of the point that it's making maybe if
- 00:58:45the Quran had absolutely stated one some
- 00:58:48people would have said well the Quran is
- 00:58:50wrong actually it's scientifically
- 00:58:51inaccurate because actually well
- 00:58:54actually the Earth was created first
- 00:58:58right so there would been those well
- 00:59:00actually people and if you said if the
- 00:59:02Quran had said it the other way around
- 00:59:04that there will actually people on the
- 00:59:05other side would have got upset so the
- 00:59:08quranic expression is open to both it is
- 00:59:11non-committal because the Quran did not
- 00:59:13come to tell you which one came first it
- 00:59:15is not the point remember about missing
- 00:59:17the point but for scientific Miracle
- 00:59:21industry the Quran came to make these
- 00:59:24points at least for the purpose of of
- 00:59:26creating scenario of the scientific
- 00:59:29miracle that we're going to learn about
- 00:59:31by the
- 00:59:33way uh is actually on board with the
- 00:59:36idea
- 00:59:37of and he mentions it in a number of
- 00:59:39ayat and this is from the of the Quran
- 00:59:42the scientific of the Quran and again
- 00:59:45he's using it a little bit sleep but
- 00:59:46he's saying that the Quran is actually
- 00:59:48talking about certain things with a
- 00:59:50subtle
- 00:59:51accuracy which couldn't have been known
- 00:59:53at the time but later on we come to
- 00:59:55appreciate
- 00:59:57the accuracy of what the Quran said and
- 00:59:59there was actually the the author of the
- 01:00:01Quran clearly the revealer of the Quran
- 01:00:04uh clearly in fact did know about these
- 01:00:06things that other people did not know at
- 01:00:08the time so he's actually on board with
- 01:00:10this
- 01:00:11concept um and supports it and gives
- 01:00:13examples in the Quran he uses the word
- 01:00:17for something else as well that was
- 01:00:18quite intrigued to find that even when
- 01:00:20it tells B is about their stories and
- 01:00:23their history he calls us as well that
- 01:00:27the knowledge of the Quran contains of
- 01:00:29things that the rabbis thought that they
- 01:00:30had alter themselves when it's revealed
- 01:00:32to the prophet s wasallam then he
- 01:00:34recites to them the stories of the the
- 01:00:36past Nations that they used to keep to
- 01:00:38themselves and gives them details that
- 01:00:40they didn't even know because this as
- 01:00:42well because doesn't just mean
- 01:00:44scientific it means knowledge
- 01:00:48based
- 01:00:51right yeah yeah you can go go ahead
- 01:00:53found interested open our
- 01:00:56took first recourse to the
- 01:00:58language whereas fi went straight to
- 01:01:02science because F like I've had that
- 01:01:04arent with someone my University and I
- 01:01:08just I just sit there and Allah
- 01:01:12said he saw it yeah so when it has
- 01:01:17two is to do with experiencing something
- 01:01:21but it's not Allah saying this is how
- 01:01:23say yeah you can yeah exactly so in the
- 01:01:26AY of it's possible to explain it in a
- 01:01:29slight different way but actually that
- 01:01:31that is what Ari is doing he's just
- 01:01:33explaining why he's doing that in the
- 01:01:34first place uh but why are we reading it
- 01:01:37as he found it he observed it or he saw
- 01:01:42that it was setting it doesn't mean
- 01:01:44necessarily Allah is saying then it's
- 01:01:46set in a pool of Mery water right so
- 01:01:49these people who make this point always
- 01:01:52you know they have to ignore the fact
- 01:01:53that the language does not say that you
- 01:01:56know the sun did set in a p of Mary
- 01:01:58water it says he got to the
- 01:02:01m that would appear to mean the setting
- 01:02:03point of the sun that's part of the
- 01:02:04issue and he found it
- 01:02:08setting as two implies that he
- 01:02:11experienced it so he may have even
- 01:02:14thought that that was happening it's
- 01:02:16possible and the Quran is telling that
- 01:02:19for it's higher
- 01:02:22reasons okay so here's two concepts I
- 01:02:24just want you to have very clear in your
- 01:02:31mind is essentially using science or
- 01:02:35using the knowledge of the day including
- 01:02:38through observation and scientific
- 01:02:40theories to
- 01:02:43inform and that's what we saw arzi doing
- 01:02:46that's what we saw
- 01:02:48doing there are saying I could perhaps
- 01:02:51interpret the Quran in more than one way
- 01:02:53here there are different possibilities
- 01:02:56but the possibility that I'm going to
- 01:02:58say is correct I'm going to bring
- 01:03:01in the of the day the science of the day
- 01:03:05to help guide that interpretation this
- 01:03:08is and is not something strange it's not
- 01:03:11something new it's not something
- 01:03:13illegitimate it is in fact what you
- 01:03:15should do because as I said we want to
- 01:03:19interpret things in the most sensible
- 01:03:20way and the sensible thing is not to go
- 01:03:23against things that are well established
- 01:03:27by modern
- 01:03:29science while we all know that science
- 01:03:32is liable to change that it could have
- 01:03:34things which later on are
- 01:03:36overturned if we attach that scientific
- 01:03:40theory to the Quran definitively this is
- 01:03:43one of the core problems of scientific
- 01:03:45Miracles if one day we are all saying
- 01:03:47that there's a big
- 01:03:49ban and you know recently I mentioned
- 01:03:51this example in Edinburgh University and
- 01:03:53someone said to me actually there's no
- 01:03:56nowadays scientists don't accept the Big
- 01:03:58Bang at all and I said I need to have
- 01:04:00that conversation with you later I'm
- 01:04:01still catching up with the big bang
- 01:04:03itself right so you know 16 billion
- 01:04:06years is not enough for me to understand
- 01:04:08it
- 01:04:09so but if there is a Cas if there is a
- 01:04:11theory that right now it's like everyone
- 01:04:13is sure about it and we say the Quran
- 01:04:16said this it said
- 01:04:20this 100% it's saying this is a big bang
- 01:04:25and then in 50 years everyone was talk
- 01:04:27about remember that time we used to talk
- 01:04:28about Big Bang what ridiculous idiots
- 01:04:32that people wear back
- 01:04:35then and oh oh we just said that the
- 01:04:38Quran is definitely saying that so the
- 01:04:39Quran is rolling out we have just canel
- 01:04:42congratulations you have just played
- 01:04:44yourself and you have cancelled the
- 01:04:46Quran and you have made the Quran
- 01:04:48scientifically
- 01:04:49wrong but if you said it's a possible
- 01:04:52understanding of this that when the
- 01:04:54Quran says do the unbelievers don't see
- 01:04:57that this the heavens and the Earth were
- 01:04:58once joined and we split them
- 01:05:00apart this big bang actually helps us
- 01:05:03understand what that is saying and maybe
- 01:05:04Allah has refered that
- 01:05:08event that is that's fine because we can
- 01:05:12then come back from that later and say
- 01:05:13oh well maybe it isn't because what did
- 01:05:16people think it was saying all these
- 01:05:17years is one of the core problems what
- 01:05:20did people think like they just had no
- 01:05:21idea what it was talking about they had
- 01:05:23no conception of what the Quran was
- 01:05:25saying and it took Hubble and his
- 01:05:27telescope to actually give us the
- 01:05:30knowledge of what the Quran was saying
- 01:05:32this creates a
- 01:05:34problem so this
- 01:05:36is is a
- 01:05:38new field which emerged you might know
- 01:05:42some of the figures Maurice bukai and
- 01:05:44his book about the Quran and the Bible
- 01:05:46and modern science and uh figures like
- 01:05:50AB maid
- 01:05:51Sani with uh his video series that he
- 01:05:55did where he got gathered a bunch of uh
- 01:05:57scientists and apparently maybe sort of
- 01:05:59tricked them into saying some stuff
- 01:06:00which later on they kind of said hey I
- 01:06:02didn't actually mean it that way um and
- 01:06:07people like Dr Zar and others who have
- 01:06:10written on this subject have talked the
- 01:06:11subject so became a bit of an industry
- 01:06:14literally there were organizations set
- 01:06:16up to promote it and then it started to
- 01:06:19get a bit of a bad rep and people have
- 01:06:21started to push back from within the
- 01:06:23Muslim context and of course from
- 01:06:25outside where the people who have
- 01:06:28attacked it and used that to then as I
- 01:06:30said blow down the House of Cards when
- 01:06:34you build the foundation of faith upon
- 01:06:35weak arguments you're opening us and
- 01:06:39you're opening the Iman of your
- 01:06:41youth to
- 01:06:44attack because you built the the the
- 01:06:47faith on weak premises you made it easy
- 01:06:50for someone to come and destroy that
- 01:06:51Faith later on you didn't build in them
- 01:06:54an appreciation of ambiguity
- 01:06:56and of flexibility and of how
- 01:06:58scholarship on the Quran actually works
- 01:07:01or even just something consistent with
- 01:07:03that you instead gave them false
- 01:07:06certainties and you told them about
- 01:07:07colorful mountains and Rainbow Mountains
- 01:07:09and that's what is talked about in the
- 01:07:11Quran you told them about pulsar and
- 01:07:13told them about bees having multiple
- 01:07:15stomachs that's the example I'm going to
- 01:07:17talk
- 01:07:18about so there's a very nice paper by
- 01:07:22Hamza sources may know of him it's an
- 01:07:24old paper actually I think he wrote more
- 01:07:26than 10 years ago and I looked again at
- 01:07:29it last night and I said actually
- 01:07:31alhamdulillah this is very nice it
- 01:07:33covers the base very
- 01:07:35well and on the left we see a kind of
- 01:07:38summary of how a scientific Miracle
- 01:07:41argument kind of goes number one the
- 01:07:43prophet s wasallam did not have access
- 01:07:45to the scientific knowledge mentioned in
- 01:07:47the Quran therefore it must be from God
- 01:07:48number two no one at the time of
- 01:07:50Revelation had access to the necessary
- 01:07:52equipment to understand or verify the
- 01:07:54scientific knowledge in the Quran they
- 01:07:56must be from God thirdly the quranic
- 01:07:58verses were revealed at a time when
- 01:08:00science was primitive and no human could
- 01:08:02have uttered the truths men in the Quran
- 01:08:04therefore it must be from
- 01:08:05God so these are things which can be
- 01:08:08individually challenged in individual
- 01:08:11cases right but this is the kind of the
- 01:08:14necessary background to constructing an
- 01:08:17argument for a scientific Miracle right
- 01:08:20if we said look the Quran talks about
- 01:08:22the Earth being
- 01:08:23rounded every it talks about the as I
- 01:08:25said you can actually read it in more
- 01:08:27than one way but let's suppose that it
- 01:08:29was so clear the Quran says that Earth
- 01:08:31is round well there were people before
- 01:08:33who believed the Earth was
- 01:08:34round a lot of times people make
- 01:08:37assumptions not just
- 01:08:38Muslims not just Muslims but we make an
- 01:08:41assumption about the ignorance of people
- 01:08:43in the
- 01:08:44past and with further research you come
- 01:08:47to realize
- 01:08:48actually people did realize a lot of
- 01:08:50things they did have a lot of things
- 01:08:52right or if they didn't know for sure
- 01:08:54certainly at least people believed that
- 01:08:57the Earth was round there might be more
- 01:08:59than one belief about
- 01:09:01that we've sort of embed a certain
- 01:09:05ironically a western triumphalist
- 01:09:07approach that everyone was so ignorant
- 01:09:08and thought that the Earth was flat and
- 01:09:10then kernus came and right the white
- 01:09:13people always are the ones who
- 01:09:14discovered it right so we have absorbed
- 01:09:17that and then we're misapplying it in
- 01:09:19our oranic
- 01:09:21interpretation so in the article I'm not
- 01:09:23going to go through all of these points
- 01:09:24but he
- 01:09:26tackles the problems in these
- 01:09:29headings the fallacy of the Undisputed
- 01:09:31middle sort of logical problem isn't
- 01:09:33there another possibility that you
- 01:09:34haven't considered here when you're
- 01:09:37putting a start dichotomy between two
- 01:09:39things in acccurate history I just
- 01:09:41touched on this teleology or just say
- 01:09:43what is the quranic verse actually
- 01:09:45talking about that was what I said
- 01:09:47before but missing the point scientism
- 01:09:50the problem of induction and empiricism
- 01:09:51these are some problems in the
- 01:09:52philosophy of science which also affect
- 01:09:55the maneuver and scientific verses I was
- 01:09:58talking to you about certain things that
- 01:10:00could be read on their as going against
- 01:10:02science what do we do we do will of them
- 01:10:05so then are we conveniently going to do
- 01:10:07will of the things that seem to go
- 01:10:08against science but the things that
- 01:10:10confirm science on we take them
- 01:10:13on you see I don't like this kind of
- 01:10:15dishonest approach let's be consistent
- 01:10:17right let's be
- 01:10:19consistent and the last point that he
- 01:10:22touches on is about quranic exis itself
- 01:10:25and that's where I want to give my focus
- 01:10:28and I'm just really going to share three
- 01:10:30examples we still got the energy I put
- 01:10:33the videos in because I thought that
- 01:10:34might uh you might find it more
- 01:10:36stimulating so I don't want to bully any
- 01:10:38individuals or anything like that but
- 01:10:40this is just literally something I saw
- 01:10:41on Twitter recently and I thought Subhan
- 01:10:42Allah this is someone vocalizing how the
- 01:10:46Miracles in the Quran led him to
- 01:10:50Islam and it's interesting because there
- 01:10:53are other people who vocalize now
- 01:10:56that this is what led them out of Islam
- 01:10:58not the Miracles but finding
- 01:11:01out that the House of Cards was built on
- 01:11:04air so let's just listen to it because I
- 01:11:07want us to reflect on what he says
- 01:11:11here what positive W I hope that he
- 01:11:15didn't uh base his faith on that because
- 01:11:17the way he told us is that he's based
- 01:11:19his faith on that and that's why I hope
- 01:11:23he's not watching this video right cuz
- 01:11:25I'm about to blow this one to Pieces
- 01:11:27right so there's a there was a post also
- 01:11:30that I I spoke about on
- 01:11:33Twitter um and and some people told me
- 01:11:36why did you not hide the name of the
- 01:11:38person and I was like well he should
- 01:11:39have hid his name not me WR so the point
- 01:11:44is I'm not I'm not focused on the
- 01:11:46individual I'm focused on the problem
- 01:11:48and people should actually have this
- 01:11:50sense of embarrassment and shame before
- 01:11:52they put out things that are you know of
- 01:11:56nonsense the Quran apparently according
- 01:11:58to this stresses the in the individual
- 01:12:01stresses and individual female be there
- 01:12:03are abdomen I more than one stomach
- 01:12:06which in Arabic is Bon by the way if if
- 01:12:08the bee has two stomachs then this is
- 01:12:11wrong because Bon is three or more
- 01:12:13unless we do take wheel of it right to
- 01:12:16try to fit the science but no apparently
- 01:12:18the Quran is telling you the science
- 01:12:19it's got multiple B so when they found
- 01:12:22that it's got two stomachs we should
- 01:12:23have said well the Quran contains a
- 01:12:24scientif error based on the method
- 01:12:27here points to a single female be no it
- 01:12:30doesn't not at
- 01:12:32all if it was supposed to refer to
- 01:12:35multiple bees then the plural feminine
- 01:12:38pronoun H which he spelled wrong would
- 01:12:40be connected to the
- 01:12:42verb this is wrong this clearly shows no
- 01:12:45it doesn't that the noun stomach is
- 01:12:47plural and the pronoun used is for third
- 01:12:50person famine singular is
- 01:12:52feminine this thing that a female work
- 01:12:54could be has multiple CES not known
- 01:12:56until very recently only this one fact
- 01:12:58this is what I was saying to at the
- 01:12:59beginning is one fact enough because
- 01:13:01once I knock this one down we can go to
- 01:13:03a different one and we can keep chasing
- 01:13:04after the scientific Miracles until we
- 01:13:07find one that works only this one fact
- 01:13:09is enough for any person to believe in
- 01:13:11the divine origin of the Quran and I
- 01:13:12didn't believe that until I watched this
- 01:13:15video but let's go into it in the so I
- 01:13:18you know I'm not just going to I just
- 01:13:21dispute I will go to the books and see
- 01:13:23what did they say about these
- 01:13:25[Music]
- 01:13:26in the past were they sitting there
- 01:13:28saying why does this say that bees have
- 01:13:30multiple
- 01:13:33stomachs we need modern we need someone
- 01:13:35to come some centuries later with modern
- 01:13:37science by the way they could dissect a
- 01:13:39be it's not that hard doesn't really
- 01:13:41require mult you know any so were they
- 01:13:46of the view that this is saying that b
- 01:13:47have multiple stomachs if not why not
- 01:13:51and if there's another way of
- 01:13:52understanding it then why don't we just
- 01:13:55assume that that other way is right why
- 01:13:57would we assume that it's saying that B
- 01:13:59has multiple stomachs noce from the
- 01:14:09beginning so it's telling not one bee
- 01:14:13but the bees to take houses it's not
- 01:14:16telling one bee to take multiple houses
- 01:14:20you see how that's
- 01:14:22absurd this feminine singular is being
- 01:14:25for all the Beast this is something
- 01:14:27which is
- 01:14:31called something like as
- 01:14:34well it is allowed in the Arabic
- 01:14:36language to use the feminine singular
- 01:14:38and to use the masculine
- 01:14:40singular so for example here on the
- 01:14:42right you see a little bit of the
- 01:14:44example in one place the used in the
- 01:14:50masculine in the other ay
- 01:14:58in the feminine so each of these is
- 01:15:00correct according to the Arabic language
- 01:15:02and in the
- 01:15:03Quran
- 01:15:05so all the bees are being told and
- 01:15:08then means from there
- 01:15:11bellies very simply they always
- 01:15:14understood it this way they were right
- 01:15:16to understand it this way the scientific
- 01:15:19so-called pseudo scientific explanation
- 01:15:21is wrong and you see why I'm emotional
- 01:15:23about it this is of the
- 01:15:26you're actually distorting the meaning
- 01:15:27of the Quran you're actually telling me
- 01:15:29some things that are wrong in the Arabic
- 01:15:31language and all for what for the bees
- 01:15:34bals so now we're going to not any
- 01:15:37longer know about and how it works and
- 01:15:39we're not going to
- 01:15:41understand
- 01:15:44and we're not going to understand that
- 01:15:46because we're going to have these new
- 01:15:49rules somebody once was making this you
- 01:15:51know Silly interpretation of the Quran I
- 01:15:53said to well that doesn't work because
- 01:15:55uh you you can't say
- 01:15:59uh he was trying to say could be in the
- 01:16:03meaning
- 01:16:06of right nonsense nonsense don't try to
- 01:16:08think about it don't let to go in your
- 01:16:09head but when I said to him that doesn't
- 01:16:11work because then it would have
- 01:16:14to he said no because uh musters are non
- 01:16:20binary the must don't have a
- 01:16:22gender so I was like do you love your
- 01:16:25interpretation so much that you're
- 01:16:27willing to destroy the Arabic language
- 01:16:28to defend it and that's what happened in
- 01:16:31the post that we read he destroyed the
- 01:16:33Arabic language and the English language
- 01:16:34at the same
- 01:16:35time is can be treated as masculine or
- 01:16:40feminine and
- 01:16:42as makes clear in his gloss
- 01:16:45on the bees is treated as feminine
- 01:16:48according to meaning as though to
- 01:16:52say okay you ready for another video
- 01:16:58right by the way I'm I'm not sure that
- 01:17:00I'm picking here the best examples or
- 01:17:03the worst examples they're just examples
- 01:17:05that at some point have triggered me as
- 01:17:07you can see and so I'm putting them on
- 01:17:09you now right but I don't believe that
- 01:17:11these are particularly worse than other
- 01:17:14things I think this they are pretty
- 01:17:16representative there may definitely be
- 01:17:19examples where someone has just been
- 01:17:20much more sensible in the way they
- 01:17:22framed it and examples that are stronger
- 01:17:24in the Quran
- 01:17:25I'm not here trying to straw man the
- 01:17:27whole thing but I'm picking some
- 01:17:29examples so you can see the kind of
- 01:17:30things that can
- 01:17:34Gordon so anyway I put some of the
- 01:17:37issues here you have got the sense by
- 01:17:39now what is our critique here saying
- 01:17:43that nobody would have understood is not
- 01:17:44a
- 01:17:45plus that this Quran is so miraculous
- 01:17:48that people didn't understand it and
- 01:17:49they had no idea what it was talking
- 01:17:51about pick up any Tere you will find
- 01:17:53them talking about what
- 01:17:57right knock KN
- 01:18:04KN you don't know how these jokes work
- 01:18:07okay it's not a joke that's just what
- 01:18:10means that's it so
- 01:18:13look so the thing is that they
- 01:18:15understood that this means a night
- 01:18:17visitor it's a star or something like a
- 01:18:20star that appears at night and this
- 01:18:23would be identified with various things
- 01:18:24it could be Venus which is known as the
- 01:18:26morning star or the night star even
- 01:18:28though it is a fact a planet but
- 01:18:30classically has often been been
- 01:18:32identified as though it's a star because
- 01:18:35it would come at night and when people
- 01:18:37would come back to a town you know or
- 01:18:40their visiting a place and they arrive
- 01:18:41at night they wouldn't just go into the
- 01:18:44town because then they could be seen as
- 01:18:46maybe up to Mischief or an Invader or
- 01:18:48something at their call so they would uh
- 01:18:51get something and they would you know
- 01:18:55as they're coming in they would knock so
- 01:18:58that's why as he correctly
- 01:19:00said uh it means also someone who visits
- 01:19:02at
- 01:19:03night so why do we have to then bring
- 01:19:06Pulsar into it is it possible that the
- 01:19:10Ayah in some way is also referring to
- 01:19:13pulsars
- 01:19:14maybe but what we can't do is say well
- 01:19:17let's definitely talking about pulsars
- 01:19:18in order to construct the scientific
- 01:19:20medical argument who is going to be
- 01:19:22convinced by that only someone that we
- 01:19:23manag to trick
- 01:19:25only someone that we managed to trick at
- 01:19:28the da table took shahada then later on
- 01:19:31their faith will be destroyed when they
- 01:19:33watch
- 01:19:35this so it's important to know that the
- 01:19:37Arabic Quran is an Arabic Quran it uses
- 01:19:41certain Norms of speech meant something
- 01:19:43to those people they didn't hear as by
- 01:19:47the sky and the
- 01:19:49knocker what is the
- 01:19:51knocker the star what's the knocking
- 01:19:54star they didn't get confused like this
- 01:19:56they had a clear conception of what
- 01:19:58meant it also appeals to things that
- 01:20:01they know and this is a general rle the
- 01:20:03Quran is going to say have they not seen
- 01:20:05that the heavens and the Earth were once
- 01:20:06joined have they not seen do you not see
- 01:20:09in the sky do you not see the mountains
- 01:20:11and their different colors it's
- 01:20:13appealing to things that they have seen
- 01:20:14and things that they see and things that
- 01:20:16they know in order to make a point to
- 01:20:17them if they don't know what the Quran
- 01:20:19is talking about then how is the Quran
- 01:20:20making its
- 01:20:22point last one
- 01:20:25my favorite and this one by the way like
- 01:20:29comes all the time people keep repeating
- 01:20:31this one I keep getting sent pictures of
- 01:20:34these
- 01:20:35mountains the first thing I'll tell you
- 01:20:37by the way what you're about to see in
- 01:20:38the pictures is not in China that's like
- 01:20:40they have to get everything wrong what
- 01:20:42you're going to see is mountains in Peru
- 01:20:44not in
- 01:20:49China so I want you to remember these
- 01:20:52three things meanings manifestations and
- 01:20:55Les meaning of the Quran is what does
- 01:20:59let's look at the words let's look at
- 01:21:00the possibilities let's understand this
- 01:21:02in the best possible way using all the
- 01:21:04tools that we have in and let's bring in
- 01:21:07the knowledge of the world as
- 01:21:09well meanings good
- 01:21:14manifestations when Allah talks in Ayah
- 01:21:1727 of F that you see tracks in the
- 01:21:19mountains red white and black by the way
- 01:21:23when you saw those mountains they look
- 01:21:24red white black or they were like all
- 01:21:26the colors of the rainbow do you really
- 01:21:27feel it's the same thing I don't but
- 01:21:30maybe upon seeing that we say Subhan
- 01:21:33Allah you see how Allah talked about
- 01:21:35those tracks in the M this is even more
- 01:21:37varied in his colors and Allah created
- 01:21:40this as well and Allah told me to
- 01:21:42appreciate his creation and the
- 01:21:44diversity the even the colors within the
- 01:21:46mountains the Arabian mountains that
- 01:21:48they all saw the tracks and the colors
- 01:21:50within it but you know what there's even
- 01:21:52mountains that are even more colorful
- 01:21:53and amazing than and Peru and China and
- 01:21:55apparently in Iran now we seen that as
- 01:21:57well so manifestations this is
- 01:22:01manifestations of Allah's signs in the
- 01:22:03creation we can appreciate it on that
- 01:22:04level without saying and that's
- 01:22:09what and thirdly miracles Miracles
- 01:22:12requires this construction of an
- 01:22:14argument which is not going to work to
- 01:22:17say that the prophet
- 01:22:18sallam you know could not have known
- 01:22:21this because he didn't travel to China
- 01:22:23so how did he know about colorful Lance
- 01:22:26I'm sorry you've just misapplied as to
- 01:22:28what the Quran is talking about final
- 01:22:31thing
- 01:22:33recommendations study the
- 01:22:35world study the world in all its forms
- 01:22:39and use this to help you understand the
- 01:22:41Revelation and use it to help you
- 01:22:43appreciate the Revelation right the
- 01:22:45meanings and the
- 01:22:48manifestations and any argument that we
- 01:22:52make to a skeptic or indeed someone that
- 01:22:55we are doing D to any argument that we
- 01:22:57make test it critically first have I
- 01:23:01applied some ad hoc reasoning have I uh
- 01:23:05applied false
- 01:23:07certainty is there an objection that can
- 01:23:09come to this then consider the objection
- 01:23:12first like the great minds of our
- 01:23:15tradition have done like imzi does all
- 01:23:18the time he's telling you something that
- 01:23:20says well you might object that such and
- 01:23:22such well this is the answer that I
- 01:23:23would give to that objection I saw you
- 01:23:25coming and I have an answer to that
- 01:23:27objection always we should be steps
- 01:23:30ahead we shouldn't be the ones who get
- 01:23:32embarrassed because we said something
- 01:23:34that we hadn't looked into hadn't tested
- 01:23:36and then someone throws it back in our
- 01:23:38face and we have then embarrassed not
- 01:23:39just ourselves but of course we have
- 01:23:41placed the dean in that unfortunate
- 01:23:44position
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