These Toxins Are Silently Ruining Your Health | Bryan Johnson Podcast
Resumen
TLDRIn this episode of the Brian Johnson podcast, Brian, Kate, and Dr. Mike discuss the impact of toxins in our environment, particularly focusing on the effects of fireworks and air quality. They explore the cultural practices that associate celebration with harmful activities, such as fireworks, which release toxins into the air. The conversation highlights the importance of being aware of these toxins, their health effects, and ways to minimize exposure. They also share personal experiences with toxin exposure and discuss methods for detoxification, including dietary changes and sauna use.
Para llevar
- 🔍 Awareness of toxins is crucial for health.
- 🎆 Fireworks contribute to air pollution and health risks.
- 💧 Water and air filtration systems can reduce exposure.
- 🥗 A diet high in antioxidants supports detoxification.
- 🚫 Avoid fast food wrappers to limit exposure to harmful chemicals.
- 🧖♂️ Sauna use can aid in eliminating toxins from the body.
- 👶 Children are particularly vulnerable to environmental toxins.
- 📊 PM2.5 levels are a key indicator of air quality.
- 🌍 Cultural practices may need to change to prioritize health.
- 💪 Small lifestyle changes can lead to significant health improvements.
Cronología
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The discussion begins with the importance of identifying harmful elements in our lives and advocating for cultural changes. The speaker acknowledges their role as a 'Buzzkill' for highlighting the negative aspects of celebrations that involve toxins, such as fireworks.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
The podcast introduces the topic of toxins, with Brian Johnson, co-founder Kate Tolo, and Dr. Mike Malin discussing their sources, effects on the body, and prevention strategies. They aim to tackle the topic in a structured manner, addressing specific toxins one by one.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Brian shares his experience with AirPods and the concerns surrounding EMF exposure, suggesting a need for scientific evaluation. The conversation shifts to the aftermath of the Fourth of July fireworks, which led to poor air quality and public backlash against Brian's warnings about toxins.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Brian explains the backlash he received for pointing out the toxins released during fireworks, emphasizing the irony of celebrating life with practices that introduce harmful substances into the environment. Kate adds that people are often misinformed about the severity of these issues.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
The discussion highlights the significant increase in air pollution caused by fireworks, comparing it to smoking cigarettes. They emphasize the need for awareness and alternative traditions that do not involve harmful toxins.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Brian argues that while the spike in toxins from fireworks may not be immediately lethal, it reflects a broader issue of societal practices that harm health. He questions the logic of associating celebrations with harmful activities, especially for children.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Dr. Mike offers a contrarian view, suggesting that while fireworks are harmful, there are more pressing issues affecting air quality that should be prioritized. He acknowledges the need for a balanced approach to health interventions.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
The conversation continues with Brian's perspective on societal norms that celebrate harmful practices, urging for a shift in mindset towards healthier traditions that do not compromise well-being.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
Kate discusses the health impacts of toxins, including inflammation and cardiovascular issues, and emphasizes the need for education on air quality and its effects on health. They advocate for alternatives like drone shows instead of fireworks.
- 00:45:00 - 00:53:17
The podcast concludes with a focus on actionable steps to reduce toxin exposure, including improving air quality at home, dietary changes, and the importance of awareness in making healthier choices.
Mapa mental
Vídeo de preguntas y respuestas
What are the health effects of fireworks on air quality?
Fireworks can significantly degrade air quality, leading to increased levels of PM2.5, which can cause respiratory issues, cardiovascular diseases, and neuroinflammation.
How can I reduce my exposure to toxins?
You can reduce exposure by using air and water filtration systems, avoiding fast food wrappers, and maintaining a diet high in antioxidants and fiber.
What are forever chemicals?
Forever chemicals, or PFAS, are man-made chemicals that accumulate in the body and environment, leading to various health issues.
What is the significance of PM2.5 levels?
PM2.5 levels indicate the concentration of fine particulate matter in the air, which can have serious health impacts when elevated.
How can sauna use help with detoxification?
Regular sauna use can promote sweating, which helps eliminate certain toxins from the body.
What are some common sources of toxins in our environment?
Common sources include air pollution, industrial chemicals, plastics, and certain food packaging.
What dietary changes can help detoxify the body?
Incorporating high-fiber foods, antioxidants, and avoiding processed foods can support the body's detoxification processes.
How do toxins affect children's health?
Children are particularly vulnerable to toxins, which can impact their development and long-term health.
What is the role of air filtration systems?
Air filtration systems help remove harmful particles and pollutants from indoor air, improving overall air quality.
Why is it important to be aware of toxins in our environment?
Being aware allows individuals to make informed choices to protect their health and reduce exposure to harmful substances.
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My experience with Vshojo
- 00:00:00When we can identify things in our life
- 00:00:02that are causing us harm, it's prudent
- 00:00:05to identify those things and then if we
- 00:00:06can make the cultural changes. The
- 00:00:08problem is those arguments lead people
- 00:00:10to this consiliatory mark where they
- 00:00:13conclude, well, I guess we continue on.
- 00:00:16And there's very few voices saying this
- 00:00:19is a bad idea. So, if I can populate the
- 00:00:21airwaves and be that voice in society, I
- 00:00:24think I would play that role. And and I
- 00:00:26know that I'm I'm Buzzkill Brian in this
- 00:00:30vector and I I fully own it and I'm
- 00:00:32sorry, but it's true. And so it just
- 00:00:35really is this thing that we've done
- 00:00:37where we've associated celebration and
- 00:00:39life with death practices.
- 00:00:42>> We're not trying to scare people.
- 00:00:45I mean, like I maybe a little
- 00:00:50>> Hi everybody. Welcome to the Brian
- 00:00:52Johnson podcast. Today I have with me my
- 00:00:54co-founder Kate Tolo and my lead doctor,
- 00:00:58Dr. Mike Malin. And today we are talking
- 00:01:01about toxins. It can be a scary topic,
- 00:01:04but we're going to approach it toxin by
- 00:01:06toxin and talk about where they're
- 00:01:08coming from, what effects they have in
- 00:01:09the body, and then also what you can do
- 00:01:12to prevent exposure and minimize the
- 00:01:15things that are already in your body.
- 00:01:16Let's go.
- 00:01:17>> Brian, you're wearing AirPods today.
- 00:01:19>> I tried to remove them. I didn't want to
- 00:01:21wear a wired set and then the producer
- 00:01:24said I needed some kind of feedback. So,
- 00:01:26I'm asking for an earphone. But I know
- 00:01:28that every time I wear AirPods, people
- 00:01:30are going to be like, "Bro, you're going
- 00:01:31to blow your brain up with EMF." So,
- 00:01:34maybe we should do a deep dive on this
- 00:01:37and assess.
- 00:01:38>> I think it's a hot topic. I think people
- 00:01:39want to know. So, let's look into the
- 00:01:40science. It might not have enough robust
- 00:01:43evidence out there to support it either
- 00:01:44way. Do it or not do it, but at least we
- 00:01:47can we can share that. So hopefully your
- 00:01:49brain's okay today
- 00:01:50>> and that if there's damage that there's
- 00:01:51some way out of it.
- 00:01:53>> Okay, let's get into this topic. This
- 00:01:55topic came about because we had Fourth
- 00:01:57of July. Brian and I actually spent the
- 00:02:00next day together on Saturday and we
- 00:02:02were trapped inside all day and it
- 00:02:05sucked because the air quality was
- 00:02:07atrocious. Like not worth exposing
- 00:02:09yourself to it. So what do you think of
- 00:02:11that? We got a lot of push back from it
- 00:02:12on Twitter cuz people were like, "Let us
- 00:02:14have one day, Brian, where you're not
- 00:02:15chastising us. like, can we just
- 00:02:17celebrate?
- 00:02:18>> Yeah, people were really upset with me
- 00:02:20because I I posted online that the
- 00:02:23fireworks were going to basically bathe
- 00:02:26the entire LA area with toxins and not
- 00:02:30just heavy metals, but a whole bunch of
- 00:02:32other toxins that we've imported from
- 00:02:34China. And we're now going to explode
- 00:02:36them in the air. Is going to bathe all
- 00:02:38of our family and friends and loved ones
- 00:02:41with these toxins during the fireworks
- 00:02:43show. And then for 24 hours afterwards,
- 00:02:46it's going to settle into our soil and
- 00:02:48water. And I was calling attention to
- 00:02:50the fact that this is kind of a weird
- 00:02:52tradition that we celebrate life by
- 00:02:54bathing ourselves in death. And people
- 00:02:57got really upset with me.
- 00:02:59>> Yeah. Even when I was talking to a
- 00:03:00friend the next day and I was talking
- 00:03:02about the situation, he was like, "Kate,
- 00:03:05like, no, you can't take this away from
- 00:03:07us. Like, we need to celebrate. We need
- 00:03:10our fireworks." And I feel like when I
- 00:03:13think about that, I think people are
- 00:03:14just totally miseducated on the severity
- 00:03:17of the situation. There is always going
- 00:03:19to be a degree of um things we're
- 00:03:21willing to do for our health and things
- 00:03:23we're like, "Okay, we'll spend a couple
- 00:03:24of points here." Fireworks really
- 00:03:27damaged the air quality for an entire
- 00:03:2924-hour period. It was something like,
- 00:03:31what was a cigarette equivalent? Smoking
- 00:03:3320 cigarettes the next day.
- 00:03:34>> That's right. During the fireworks show,
- 00:03:36it was equivalent to smoking one
- 00:03:38cigarette because you're you're
- 00:03:40basically getting at 160 PM 2.5 and then
- 00:03:4512 hours after we'll throw the map up
- 00:03:47here on screen, but in the purple areas
- 00:03:50it was equivalent to smoking 20
- 00:03:53cigarettes. Yeah. Which is wild. So
- 00:03:56today we're going to talk about what
- 00:03:57effect that has on the body and then
- 00:03:59we're going to talk about other types of
- 00:04:01toxins in the body. We had some feedback
- 00:04:03um in the comment section that folks
- 00:04:05wanted a much more structured podcast.
- 00:04:06And so to tee this up, we're going to
- 00:04:08talk about why fireworks are bad, why
- 00:04:11you should be with us and saying, "Let's
- 00:04:13make other traditions for Fourth of
- 00:04:15July." What other toxins exist in your
- 00:04:17environment that you might not be aware
- 00:04:18of, and then how Brian has limited his
- 00:04:21exposure and also reverse some of the
- 00:04:23exposure that he has been exposed to.
- 00:04:25And so this includes things like PASS,
- 00:04:27um different toxins from your blood, and
- 00:04:29then obviously like your environment,
- 00:04:31air quality, that kind of thing.
- 00:04:32>> The thing is that we're trying to call
- 00:04:33out is it's not that the the July 4th
- 00:04:36spike in toxins are going to kill you.
- 00:04:39It's that we routinely do things in life
- 00:04:42that kill us. And those things we have
- 00:04:46tried to color as living life or the
- 00:04:50purpose of life or happiness. And I want
- 00:04:54to call to the attention that that may
- 00:04:56not be true. And so there's there's
- 00:04:57definitely not a rule of the universe
- 00:04:59that one needs to kill oneself in order
- 00:05:02to feel happy or satisfied or content.
- 00:05:06And so if you're exposed to PM 2.5 on an
- 00:05:10annual basis, so let's say that you have
- 00:05:12a a an extra extra 15 points on the PM
- 00:05:152.5 scale for 20 hour 24 hours a day at
- 00:05:18365 days a year. you're getting um
- 00:05:22exposure of 131,000 uh per year versus
- 00:05:26on a July 4th spike. It's about uh less
- 00:05:29than 1% of that. It's not hugely
- 00:05:31consequential, but it's really just a
- 00:05:33point of when we can identify things in
- 00:05:36our life that are causing us harm. It's
- 00:05:39prudent to identify those things and
- 00:05:41then if we can make the cultural
- 00:05:43changes. So, I hear you. Uh, you know,
- 00:05:46big exploding things in the sky, it is
- 00:05:50exciting. They're loud and you feel the
- 00:05:52vibrations and that's cool. Kind of
- 00:05:55talks to our primitive brain like, you
- 00:05:57know, but also when we're taking
- 00:06:00children to a firework show and you're
- 00:06:02bathing the childrens in toxins, I'm not
- 00:06:05sure about that. I don't know if that's
- 00:06:06living life. I'm not sure if I'm if I'm
- 00:06:07a baby if I want to be bathed in toxins.
- 00:06:09And then again we get dosed again when
- 00:06:11they enter into our water and our food
- 00:06:13supply. So Mike, what's your take on
- 00:06:16this?
- 00:06:16>> I guess I want to take like a slightly
- 00:06:18contrarian uh viewpoint um to you just
- 00:06:22in the sense that like I think if I were
- 00:06:24to choose interventions to improve air
- 00:06:28quality, the first thing I would do
- 00:06:29would not be to like take away
- 00:06:31fireworks. And I don't think that's what
- 00:06:32you're suggesting necessarily. I think
- 00:06:34you're trying to point out that like,
- 00:06:35hey, we choose to do things that are
- 00:06:37inherently bad for us on a regular basis
- 00:06:39as a way of celebrating life, which is
- 00:06:40just sort of ridiculous, which I don't
- 00:06:41disagree with you with. I think that
- 00:06:42makes a lot of sense. But when it comes
- 00:06:44to like what's going to have the
- 00:06:45greatest impact on your overall health,
- 00:06:48I think that there's there's a multitude
- 00:06:49of things that are higher on the list
- 00:06:51for me than fireworks. So, like these
- 00:06:54oneoff situations, like just like you
- 00:06:56were talking about in that in that math
- 00:06:58that you that you shared, these one-off
- 00:06:59situations have a very small total
- 00:07:01impact when you compare it to like
- 00:07:03living in LA 365 days a year. Like
- 00:07:06there's a huge impact from a moderate
- 00:07:09increase in PM2.5 as opposed to a
- 00:07:12relatively small impact from a large
- 00:07:15short duration increase of PM2.5. So, I
- 00:07:18don't know. I just tend to look at it
- 00:07:19from more of like a practical view of
- 00:07:21like where do I want to where do I want
- 00:07:23to put my effort in terms of improving
- 00:07:24human health. Um as opposed to you're
- 00:07:27thinking about it a little bit more I
- 00:07:28guess idealistically in the sense that
- 00:07:30you're thinking about like why are we
- 00:07:31choosing things that are inherently bad
- 00:07:32for us which I I don't disagree with.
- 00:07:35>> Yeah. Yeah. And I'm saying if if you
- 00:07:36remove the storytelling and the cultural
- 00:07:38significance, if you're an outside
- 00:07:40observer, if you're an alien and you
- 00:07:43can't see the the language of our
- 00:07:46society and the storytelling apparatus
- 00:07:48and you just see us as biochemical
- 00:07:50beings and you say, "What are those
- 00:07:52creatures doing bathing themselves in
- 00:07:54chemicals?" Like, what sort of ritual is
- 00:07:57that that makes any any kind of sense?
- 00:08:00>> Sure. like like we want to celebrate
- 00:08:01someone's birthday. So, we go out and
- 00:08:02have a couple of alcoholic drinks and
- 00:08:04pizza and birthday cake. We're just like
- 00:08:07ingesting all of these things that kill
- 00:08:09us as a celebration of life. Like, uh, I
- 00:08:12don't know. It doesn't seem right.
- 00:08:13>> That's exactly right. And so, it's the
- 00:08:15same parallel and and I know that I'm
- 00:08:18I'm Buzzkill Brian in this vector and I
- 00:08:21I fully own it and I'm sorry, but it's
- 00:08:24true. like you if a birthday celebration
- 00:08:27comes, you basically stack up u
- 00:08:30metabolic disaster, right? So, it's
- 00:08:33alcohol and then it's sugar and then
- 00:08:35it's late nights. And so, it just really
- 00:08:37is this thing that we've done where
- 00:08:39we've associated a celebration and life
- 00:08:43with death practices. And it it it will
- 00:08:46be viewed in the future. This will be
- 00:08:48viewed as insane. Like, there will be no
- 00:08:50way around it. Like, there's just it's
- 00:08:52weird that we do it. You're not just
- 00:08:53paying the price at the end of your
- 00:08:55life, you're paying price in decreased
- 00:08:58cognitive performance. It it
- 00:09:00deteriorates your health in all
- 00:09:01capacities. So, it really is
- 00:09:03detrimental. And I think that for me, I
- 00:09:06agree that Mike, if you were to take a
- 00:09:09more practical approach and be like,
- 00:09:11well, let's be reasonable. I guess like
- 00:09:13I want to create this contrast of
- 00:09:16clarity. It's not a good thing to bathe
- 00:09:19yourself in chemicals no matter what.
- 00:09:21like I don't care what the what the
- 00:09:22reason is. It's just not that you
- 00:09:24definitely can celebrate life. You can
- 00:09:26do good things and feel good about uh
- 00:09:28various events, but you just don't need
- 00:09:30to do it with death.
- 00:09:31>> If I could put words in your mouth, too,
- 00:09:32it's like people are choosing to do this
- 00:09:35as opposed to situations where we don't
- 00:09:37have a choice. Like the majority of
- 00:09:39toxins in our life are not things that
- 00:09:41we choose, right? They're the LA fires.
- 00:09:43They're chemicals that are in the water
- 00:09:45supply. They're all of these things that
- 00:09:46you really can't practically make a
- 00:09:48choice about. So, at least make good
- 00:09:50choices when you're given the
- 00:09:52opportunity to choose healthy or
- 00:09:54unhealthy uh traditions.
- 00:09:56>> Yeah. And I I feel like I would want to
- 00:09:57give people the benefit of the doubt. I
- 00:09:59don't think they realize what they're
- 00:10:00choosing at all when they go about doing
- 00:10:03this. So, let me read off a couple of
- 00:10:04things. It increases inflammation and
- 00:10:06lungs causing asthma and lung cancer.
- 00:10:09This is obviously chronic exposure.
- 00:10:10crosses into the blood where it causes
- 00:10:12again increased inflammation and
- 00:10:14oxidative stress in the heart and blood
- 00:10:16vessels leading to cardiovascular
- 00:10:17disease. It crosses the blood brain
- 00:10:19barrier causing neuroinflammation. So
- 00:10:22that can lead to neurogenerative
- 00:10:23diseases. I know that I think when we
- 00:10:25went to India it was something like
- 00:10:26their lifespan was significantly
- 00:10:28impacted by poor air quality every day.
- 00:10:30Um so I'd say that and the other point
- 00:10:33about this is that this is a
- 00:10:35non-consensual pollution of our shared
- 00:10:37resource of air. And so I think that's
- 00:10:40also the thing that upsets me is like
- 00:10:42the kids that get exposed to this. If
- 00:10:44you go out and have a couple alcoholic
- 00:10:45drinks with your friends, that's your
- 00:10:46choice. But the general pollution of our
- 00:10:49shared environment and I I think that
- 00:10:50comes from misunderstanding and not
- 00:10:53being educated on the topic. So I do
- 00:10:55think it's the kind of thing like just
- 00:10:56like with alcohol where we can push the
- 00:10:58narrative forward like let's have drone
- 00:11:00shows, not fireworks. Like very simple,
- 00:11:02easy to swap it out. We'll all enjoy it.
- 00:11:06We can put some speakers up and make
- 00:11:07some loud sounds at the same time.
- 00:11:09Yeah, Kate, the shared resource thing is
- 00:11:12true. Like when as you mentioned when
- 00:11:14you and I were basically we were trying
- 00:11:17to find an outdoor adventure on Saturday
- 00:11:20and we're like, "Oh man, like the day
- 00:11:22like there was this cloud of smoke. It
- 00:11:25was it it looked like there was fog in
- 00:11:27LA. It was so densely uh uh populated
- 00:11:30with smoke from the uh fireworks." Yeah.
- 00:11:33The stat that Kate mentioned was that
- 00:11:35India would do more to improve the
- 00:11:39health of their citizens by addressing
- 00:11:42air quality than by curing cancer. So in
- 00:11:46that sense, air quality is a higher
- 00:11:48yield endeavor than solving all of
- 00:11:50cancer. It is this invisible force and
- 00:11:52we saw this firsthand when we were in
- 00:11:54India and then when we saw this in the
- 00:11:56LA fires. So I guess toxins really have
- 00:11:59been top of mind. So even though when
- 00:12:01the 4th of July happens and it's this
- 00:12:02acute exposure for 24 hours, I guess I'm
- 00:12:05now particularly attuned to toxins
- 00:12:08because we've been working on measuring
- 00:12:09them and removing them. And so to see
- 00:12:12all these urban areas across the United
- 00:12:14States just get bathed in toxins, it
- 00:12:16just like hurts my soul.
- 00:12:17>> That's about like a symbolic thing.
- 00:12:19Okay, fireworks like it's probably not
- 00:12:20going to kill us in the long term having
- 00:12:22one day in the year, but also it's a
- 00:12:25choice. It's a societal choice and maybe
- 00:12:26we don't have education on it. The thing
- 00:12:28that Mike was saying was like the LA
- 00:12:29wildfires were really scary for everyone
- 00:12:31because it was something where it was
- 00:12:33imposed on us by the environment and we
- 00:12:36really were all exposed to some pretty
- 00:12:37intense um toxic chemicals. Mike, what's
- 00:12:40your take on what Brian was exposed to?
- 00:12:42>> We knew it would be bad. Wildfire
- 00:12:44exposure is bad in general. Um and that
- 00:12:47there was a lot of homes obviously
- 00:12:49tragically burnt uh during the the LA
- 00:12:52wildfires which expose us to other
- 00:12:54chemicals than you traditionally get
- 00:12:56from just a tree. um you know, organic
- 00:12:58matter to type of wildfire. So, we
- 00:13:00expected it to be bad. I don't think we
- 00:13:02expected it to be quite as bad as as it
- 00:13:04turned out based on Brian's results.
- 00:13:06Brian, why don't you share your your
- 00:13:08results with us? What what did you what
- 00:13:10did you see on that test that you had
- 00:13:12performed after the LA wildfire?
- 00:13:13>> All right. If you look at this data, you
- 00:13:16just see red like down the line. And
- 00:13:20let's walk through a few of these
- 00:13:21chemicals.
- 00:13:22>> So, you got a baseline and then you got
- 00:13:23this is after. Is that right? Just to
- 00:13:26clarify. Okay, that's right. When the LA
- 00:13:27fires happened, I
- 00:13:31had measured a baseline toxin level
- 00:13:33before for a different uh therapy. So, I
- 00:13:36was potentially one of the only people
- 00:13:37in Los Angeles who was being measured
- 00:13:39for toxins and I got a before and after
- 00:13:40shot. So, I did the baseline uh I forget
- 00:13:44a month or two before and then I did
- 00:13:47this follow-up I think on like day five
- 00:13:49or six post when there when it was still
- 00:13:52ashing and it lists out like Michael was
- 00:13:55saying the various toxins like the
- 00:13:58industrial-grade toxins, all the stuff
- 00:14:00you you would see in burning homes and
- 00:14:03burning cars. And it just basically uh
- 00:14:07loaded up my body with every single
- 00:14:09toxin they measured to the like between
- 00:14:13the 75th and 95th percentile for um
- 00:14:17intensity.
- 00:14:18>> And what was really interesting is that
- 00:14:19the toxins that we saw elevated make
- 00:14:22perfect sense when we think about what
- 00:14:24was happening, right? So homes were
- 00:14:26burning. So, you were being exposed to
- 00:14:28things like phalates, um, which are
- 00:14:30plasticizers, which basically just means
- 00:14:32they're chemicals added to plastics to
- 00:14:34make them soft and more flexible. And
- 00:14:36these are things like MEHP,
- 00:14:38um, MBP, all things that we would see
- 00:14:41from burning homes. Uh, when when homes
- 00:14:43burn, tons of plastics are burning. We
- 00:14:46were seeing a lot of um increase in
- 00:14:48VOCC's again from other burning organic
- 00:14:51um, materials. Uh and these are uh
- 00:14:53things that we would also see from like
- 00:14:55burning solvents um from household
- 00:14:57household products like cleaners, foams
- 00:14:59and sprays. And both of these the
- 00:15:03plasticizers as well as the the VOCC's
- 00:15:07have lots of terrible effects on the
- 00:15:10body. So things like reproductive
- 00:15:13developmental issues, increased risk of
- 00:15:15developing asthma and allergies,
- 00:15:17carcinogenic,
- 00:15:18um basically everything you can think of
- 00:15:20regarding inflammation affecting DNA,
- 00:15:23oxidative stress, these chemicals are
- 00:15:25going to do. And these went from, as you
- 00:15:27were mentioning, Brian, from like zero
- 00:15:29in your normal life to 95th percentile,
- 00:15:32meaning like we compare you to the rest
- 00:15:34of the population of, you know, out of a
- 00:15:36100 people, you have higher levels than
- 00:15:3995 of them, which is pretty pretty
- 00:15:41impressive.
- 00:15:42>> This of course is not meant to scare
- 00:15:45anybody. It is to say that there are
- 00:15:47various sources of toxins and when that
- 00:15:53does happen I guess we want to identify
- 00:15:55what toxins are entering the body. So I
- 00:15:56guess like two layers one is if we can
- 00:15:58just baseline it's not a good idea to
- 00:16:01generate toxins in society that bathe
- 00:16:04all of us in toxins and then the second
- 00:16:06thing is when we do have events like
- 00:16:09fires which are out of our control then
- 00:16:11that's a second vector that gets to us
- 00:16:13as well. And so maybe we can bridge to
- 00:16:16what things were doing once we're
- 00:16:18exposed to these toxins. But keep in
- 00:16:20mind that when I had this exposure, I
- 00:16:23stayed inside for the majority of that
- 00:16:25time and I had multiple air filters and
- 00:16:29a MV 13 air filter on my HVAC system. So
- 00:16:32I was pretty decently prepared to cycle
- 00:16:35through toxins, but it, you know, it
- 00:16:37seems like it made a minimal difference.
- 00:16:39Now, if someone else was in the same
- 00:16:41environment and and was outside and had
- 00:16:44no air filtration systems in their in
- 00:16:46their home, then it could have been
- 00:16:48worse.
- 00:16:49>> You said something there I just want to
- 00:16:50I want to comment on real quick. We're
- 00:16:51not trying to scare people.
- 00:16:54I mean, like maybe a little because
- 00:16:57maybe it's not we're trying to scare
- 00:16:59people, but getting scared is the side
- 00:17:01effect of knowledge in the situation
- 00:17:02because I think so many people don't
- 00:17:04understand about air pollution in
- 00:17:05general or even its effect. Like where I
- 00:17:08live, I have um friends that still sleep
- 00:17:11with their windows open when there's a
- 00:17:13wildfire nearby because they don't want
- 00:17:15to run their AC and they want it to cool
- 00:17:17off their house at night. And I'm like,
- 00:17:19what are you doing? You know, like
- 00:17:22knowledgeable, educated people are are
- 00:17:25not aware of the effect that air quality
- 00:17:28often has on their health. And um that's
- 00:17:30a problem we need to fix. And so to some
- 00:17:32like if some people get scared like I I
- 00:17:35don't know like not that big of a deal
- 00:17:37to me in terms of like educating people
- 00:17:38and helping them understand like how to
- 00:17:40take better care of themselves.
- 00:17:42>> Yeah. And what we're trying to do in
- 00:17:44society is say one there are things that
- 00:17:47are within your control our control
- 00:17:49collectively like fireworks. There are
- 00:17:51things that are outside of our control.
- 00:17:53Don't be scared of those things
- 00:17:56happening because throughout history
- 00:17:58this has happened time and time again.
- 00:17:59The only difference here is that we know
- 00:18:01and we're going to learn from it. And
- 00:18:03three, using that information, we can
- 00:18:05try and test protocols for how we can go
- 00:18:07about preventing this cuz preventing the
- 00:18:09wildfire, not using these materials in
- 00:18:11construction, it's probably going to be
- 00:18:12very difficult. But what we can learn
- 00:18:15from this is like if you are exposed to
- 00:18:17toxins, which is going to be inevitable
- 00:18:19going through life currently in society.
- 00:18:21Here's how maybe we can start to
- 00:18:23scientifically attack like is it
- 00:18:25possible to remove these toxins from
- 00:18:26your body and how quickly and you know
- 00:18:28how difficult it's going to be, how
- 00:18:29accessible is it going to be. We're
- 00:18:31trying to give a path for like let's
- 00:18:32actually like tackle these big problems.
- 00:18:34>> For those of you interested in the gory
- 00:18:36details, let me just read you a few
- 00:18:39descriptors.
- 00:18:40>> You look happy.
- 00:18:42I mean, some people are going to want to
- 00:18:45hear this.
- 00:18:47One of the toxins that showed up in my
- 00:18:50body is uh called H EMA.
- 00:18:53And so, my levels went from undetectable
- 00:18:56to a fivefold increase, 95th percentile,
- 00:19:00uh 23 micrograms per gram. And so he is
- 00:19:03a derivative of vinyl chloride coming
- 00:19:06mostly from the fumes of burning
- 00:19:07synthetic floors, pipes and wirings PVC.
- 00:19:11Uh both vinyl chloride and ethanol oxide
- 00:19:14are known as carcinogens as well as
- 00:19:15long-term neurotoxins with acute effects
- 00:19:18including headache and dizziness. So I
- 00:19:21mean you can basically go chemical by
- 00:19:24chemical and say what's in a home?
- 00:19:26You've got pipes, you've got like, you
- 00:19:29know, plastic materials. And we just
- 00:19:30down the line, Mike started going
- 00:19:32through these. Every kind of PLA
- 00:19:34material that is used to build a home,
- 00:19:37you can now see in my body when I did
- 00:19:39that test.
- 00:19:39>> Wow.
- 00:19:40>> So again, from undetectable to 95th
- 00:19:43percentile. So pretty amazing to get
- 00:19:46this data in real time. You know, DP,
- 00:19:49this is likely coming from the release
- 00:19:51of furniture and electronics. It's a a
- 00:19:54byproduct of a fire retardant, TPP.
- 00:19:56>> What was it like receiving the results?
- 00:19:58I mean, you work so hard um on your body
- 00:20:01and keeping everything perfect. So, what
- 00:20:05was that like?
- 00:20:06>> It was a pretty terrifying time. The
- 00:20:08fires were raging in Los Angeles. I did
- 00:20:11not know if the house would burn down.
- 00:20:14And uh I also had my son with me. We we
- 00:20:16talked about leaving town. We wondered
- 00:20:18if we'd be okay. We wondered if the
- 00:20:20fires could be contained. We we were not
- 00:20:22quite sure what to do in retrospect. I
- 00:20:24think the correct decision would have
- 00:20:26been to leave town uh for the toxins.
- 00:20:28But in that moment, I was really
- 00:20:30thinking more like are we going to lose
- 00:20:32the home and everything we've ever um
- 00:20:34you everything we have in those
- 00:20:36situations, you're not thinking about
- 00:20:38those things. But when I got the
- 00:20:39results, I mean, after things calm down,
- 00:20:40the fires um were out. Yeah. Seeing the
- 00:20:44toxins, it was obviously devastating
- 00:20:46because we are so meticulous with my
- 00:20:50health. like every single calorie that
- 00:20:52goes into my body, we've looked at
- 00:20:54scientific evidence and then just to
- 00:20:55bathe myself with chem with chemicals.
- 00:20:57That's the the sad part. But there is a
- 00:21:00a now a a next chapter that is actually
- 00:21:03positive that we can get into because
- 00:21:06once I got bathed in toxins, we said as
- 00:21:08a team, what can we do about the
- 00:21:10situation?
- 00:21:11>> Yeah. Make make the most of it.
- 00:21:13>> Yeah. The first part of the podcast, you
- 00:21:14guys, we're going to go down the various
- 00:21:16categories of toxins. So we talked about
- 00:21:19VOCC's, phalates, industrial solvents,
- 00:21:23like all the stuff that that happened as
- 00:21:25a I mean in the wildfires, but that we
- 00:21:27see in our uh environment also in
- 00:21:29fireworks. Another toxin that we
- 00:21:30recently tested is PAS. These are the
- 00:21:34forever chemicals and so these are the
- 00:21:35ones that you accumulate primarily in uh
- 00:21:38water, non-stick pans, um fast food
- 00:21:42wrappers. They accumulate in the body
- 00:21:45cannot eliminate them. They're a class
- 00:21:47of 12,000 plus man-made chemicals used
- 00:21:51to make things again like in water um
- 00:21:53stain resistant, heat resistant kinds of
- 00:21:55things.
- 00:21:56>> So, Mike, what what are PAS?
- 00:21:58>> PAS are well, they're called forever
- 00:22:00chemicals because they're really hard to
- 00:22:01excrete. And the reason for that,
- 00:22:03honestly, is just because our bodies
- 00:22:05didn't evolve to live with them, right?
- 00:22:08These are things that we created after
- 00:22:10our our system evolved to where it
- 00:22:12currently is. So, our our system's not
- 00:22:14prepared to manage them. our kidneys
- 00:22:16reabsorb them as as opposed to pee them
- 00:22:18out. Our liver doesn't know how to
- 00:22:20handle them or break them down. The
- 00:22:21bonds in these chemicals are some of the
- 00:22:23strongest in nature and because of that
- 00:22:26we don't have a metabolic pathway to
- 00:22:27break those bonds to clear out those
- 00:22:30chemicals. So it turns out that the only
- 00:22:31way we can get rid of them is through
- 00:22:33like non-urinary excretion pathways. So
- 00:22:36things like sweating, breast milk,
- 00:22:38ministration, child birth, the gut, you
- 00:22:41can also um actually like excrete these
- 00:22:43through stool to some extent. So, the
- 00:22:45only real pathways we know about that
- 00:22:47get rid of these chemicals are those
- 00:22:48that I mentioned with a few interesting
- 00:22:51opportunities around sweating, so sauna,
- 00:22:54which we'll talk about, as well as stool
- 00:22:56with um these fiber compounds that can
- 00:22:58help sort of bind these chemicals and
- 00:23:01help you help your body excrete them
- 00:23:02through stool. But because they're so
- 00:23:04hard to get rid of, the halflife of
- 00:23:06these things is like on the order of
- 00:23:07years. So when you ingest that chemical,
- 00:23:09you're looking at like 2 4 6 8 years
- 00:23:12before you're actually going to get rid
- 00:23:14of the majority of that chemical. And
- 00:23:16the challenge that we have now in our in
- 00:23:18this world is that they are in every
- 00:23:21water supply.
- 00:23:22>> Like that's not an overstatement.
- 00:23:23>> At the very depths of the ocean, like
- 00:23:26literally everywhere. So the challenge
- 00:23:28becomes how do we prevent exposure and
- 00:23:31maximize the opportunity for clearance,
- 00:23:34which is which is not an easy one. It's
- 00:23:36worth noting that PAS contamination like
- 00:23:39you were mentioning in the oceans. So
- 00:23:41PFOS
- 00:23:42has a 41-year halflife in the ocean and
- 00:23:47PFOA has a 92year halflife.
- 00:23:50>> Gosh, that's wild. So it's like, right,
- 00:23:52guys, like strap in, get comfortable.
- 00:23:54Like we're going to be hanging out for a
- 00:23:55while. Like our kids are going to be
- 00:23:56hanging out with these chemicals.
- 00:23:58They're better at longevity than Brian.
- 00:24:00And those chemicals themselves disrupt
- 00:24:02the algae that um manages carbon dioxide
- 00:24:06in the ocean. So it's actually like
- 00:24:09>> oh gosh
- 00:24:10>> I didn't I didn't know if I wanted to
- 00:24:11actually say that part or not. I'm
- 00:24:12worried about scaring Kate more.
- 00:24:15>> In the uh clinical studies the half-
- 00:24:18livives within uh humans looks like PFOS
- 00:24:21is 3.4 to 5.7 years. PFOA 1.5 to 5 years
- 00:24:25and PFHXS is 2.5 to 8.5. So Mike, just
- 00:24:28what you said, it's multiple years for a
- 00:24:31halfife. And because they're so
- 00:24:33disruptive and a teeny tiny amount is so
- 00:24:35disruptive, you want to be extra careful
- 00:24:37with PAS.
- 00:24:38>> And I think if I'm not mistaken that
- 00:24:41there was a study that showed that,
- 00:24:42don't quote me on this, but from Okay,
- 00:24:44maybe I shouldn't say this cuz I know
- 00:24:47>> somebody's going to quote you.
- 00:24:48>> Okay, I I literally have my fingers on
- 00:24:50the keyboard ready to quote you.
- 00:24:53>> It's going to get tweeted
- 00:24:54>> immediately. I was going to say that I
- 00:24:56don't think there's been blood samples
- 00:24:58that haven't had peass found in them
- 00:25:00like that. It's it's in all of our
- 00:25:02bodies. Like there is no one who can
- 00:25:03escape a war,
- 00:25:04>> right? Inescapable.
- 00:25:06>> Yeah, exactly. Given that and Brian,
- 00:25:08you've been meticulous as we know about
- 00:25:10everything you put in your body. I was
- 00:25:12really curious to see what your results
- 00:25:13came back as. Like would this be another
- 00:25:15wildfire situation where you were like
- 00:25:17all of us and were exposed to it or do
- 00:25:20you have um low levels? Yeah, I had the
- 00:25:22same questions because the effects are
- 00:25:25pretty bad. Lowers sperm count, disrupts
- 00:25:28thyroid hormones, suppresses the immune
- 00:25:30system, elevates cholesterol, creates
- 00:25:31liver damage, increases cancer risk,
- 00:25:34causes neurodedevelopmental issues,
- 00:25:36lower fertility in women. So, it really
- 00:25:38does wreak havoc on the body on all
- 00:25:41systems. And these are all things of
- 00:25:42course we measure on a routine basis.
- 00:25:44So, I was really in in a heightened
- 00:25:48state of awareness of what these results
- 00:25:50would come back. And Kate ordered the
- 00:25:52test before me. Then they sold out. And
- 00:25:54then Kate gave me her test in an act of
- 00:25:56generosity.
- 00:25:57>> For science.
- 00:25:59>> For science. You've since taken your
- 00:26:00test, right?
- 00:26:01>> I haven't got my results back.
- 00:26:03>> But no, you took it.
- 00:26:04>> I haven't. It's actually sitting right
- 00:26:06here.
- 00:26:07>> You have taken it?
- 00:26:08>> I have a stack of fingerprint tests that
- 00:26:11I need to do, but yeah, I've got it
- 00:26:12right here. I know. Okay. I'm not not
- 00:26:14everyone is like you, Brian, that can
- 00:26:15do.
- 00:26:16>> Okay. This is catastrophic.
- 00:26:18Can we talk about the psychological
- 00:26:20factors that contribute to the test
- 00:26:22sitting on your desk?
- 00:26:23>> I need therapy on this.
- 00:26:25>> Enter the health shaming.
- 00:26:27>> Kate, what's going on?
- 00:26:28>> I need help.
- 00:26:30>> Do I Do I need to be your testing uh
- 00:26:33verification partner?
- 00:26:34>> Support. Support buddy.
- 00:26:36>> Okay, you know what? We're getting
- 00:26:37together for a few events today, right?
- 00:26:39Bring your test and we're going to do it
- 00:26:41together.
- 00:26:43>> Okay, sold. You know what, Brian? I've
- 00:26:45been waiting for this moment because the
- 00:26:46other thing that I haven't done is my
- 00:26:49latest pace of aging test.
- 00:26:51>> Yeah,
- 00:26:51>> I've got a few that I need to get caught
- 00:26:53up.
- 00:26:53>> Bring them on over. We will have a blood
- 00:26:55party.
- 00:26:57>> Also, on the low fertility stuff, um,
- 00:27:00something that stuck with me was that
- 00:27:02higher levels of PAS are linked to a 40%
- 00:27:05lower chance of getting pregnant as a
- 00:27:07woman. So, I know fertility is a really
- 00:27:08hot topic for people. People are having
- 00:27:10children later. And so that's a very
- 00:27:12scary and real statistic around why you
- 00:27:15don't want to get exposed to these
- 00:27:17chemicals.
- 00:27:17>> Yeah, these chemicals directly reduce
- 00:27:19steroid hormone production as well as
- 00:27:21thyroid hormone production. So they get
- 00:27:23stuck in our body, enter every cell, and
- 00:27:26not only are they causing some of the
- 00:27:27things that Brian mentioned like
- 00:27:28oxidative stress, increasing cholesterol
- 00:27:30by mimicking other fatty acids, but
- 00:27:32they're actually changing the way our
- 00:27:34DNA is expressed at the very like basic
- 00:27:37level of human health. Again, not trying
- 00:27:39to scare, just educate. Wait, can you
- 00:27:42try again for someone like myself who
- 00:27:44has no like what is steroid production?
- 00:27:46I've never even heard of that before.
- 00:27:48>> Yeah. So like testosterone, estrogen,
- 00:27:50>> I see
- 00:27:51>> any of the sex hormones. It's going to
- 00:27:53reduce the production and the um
- 00:27:56adequacy of the way the system operates.
- 00:27:57So not just like reducing production,
- 00:27:59but how it responds to a situation where
- 00:28:01your hormone should be higher or lower,
- 00:28:03which is obviously very important for
- 00:28:05women who are going through these cyclic
- 00:28:06changes throughout their month. that
- 00:28:08gets altered when you have higher levels
- 00:28:10of PAS.
- 00:28:11>> Wild. Okay. So, Brian, drum roll. What
- 00:28:13were your results?
- 00:28:14>> Yeah. So, I was I'm just asking um an AI
- 00:28:17tool if there's PAS in fireworks.
- 00:28:22>> We're really on a vengeance against
- 00:28:23fireworks. I also just like sidebar, I
- 00:28:26don't understand fireworks. I don't get
- 00:28:28it. I don't get the appeal. Do you guys
- 00:28:30feel something when you watch fireworks?
- 00:28:32>> I think so. There. So, you see these
- 00:28:34huge explosions in the sky that are that
- 00:28:36are beautiful. You feel them. You hear
- 00:28:39them later than you see them. Like, it's
- 00:28:41like physics happening before your eyes.
- 00:28:44Admission. I took my kids to the the
- 00:28:46fireworks show
- 00:28:48>> on July 4th.
- 00:28:50>> We stayed up late because it's not till
- 00:28:5210:00. Um, which is way past my bedtime.
- 00:28:54But I was feeling guilty as a like I'm a
- 00:28:56bad father. I'm not taking my kids to
- 00:28:58the fireworks show. We were initially
- 00:28:59like, "No, we're not staying up late.
- 00:29:00Our family doesn't stay up late. We're
- 00:29:01going to bed." And then I felt guilty.
- 00:29:03So I took them and we were like, you
- 00:29:05know, a mile and a half from the
- 00:29:06fireworks themselves. So I I'm not
- 00:29:09confident. I never smelled anything. I'm
- 00:29:11not confident they had any exposure
- 00:29:12whatsoever. But they were stoked. They
- 00:29:14got to watch this like beautiful like,
- 00:29:16you know, thing in the sky and it was
- 00:29:18amazing and the wind was blowing and I
- 00:29:20don't know,
- 00:29:20>> Mike, you're you're safe here.
- 00:29:22>> I feel where people are coming from
- 00:29:24where it's like we can you can villain
- 00:29:27you literally can find a paper to
- 00:29:29villainize anything, right? Like if you
- 00:29:31look at science from that perspective.
- 00:29:32So like at some point we have to make
- 00:29:34decisions around what's important for
- 00:29:35social interaction and connection and
- 00:29:37awe and wonder and what is reasonable to
- 00:29:41extract from that equation to improve
- 00:29:43our health. And I think that equation is
- 00:29:45different for everybody and I think
- 00:29:46that's okay. I don't think it has to be
- 00:29:48perfect. But I do like
- 00:29:50>> what you guys are doing while you're
- 00:29:51educating like you know hey if you're
- 00:29:53going to make this conscious decision to
- 00:29:54expose yourself to firework smoke at
- 00:29:56least know that it's bad for you right?
- 00:29:58like at least make a conscious decision
- 00:30:00as opposed to the decision most people
- 00:30:01are making currently which is
- 00:30:02uninformed.
- 00:30:03>> Yeah. And ultimately what we're saying
- 00:30:06is that fireworks we're not quite sure
- 00:30:09where it hits on the threshold and
- 00:30:10whether we're willing to make that or
- 00:30:12not willing to make it. And the point of
- 00:30:14the conversation is to have the
- 00:30:15conversation. We might collectively be
- 00:30:16like you know what totally worth it.
- 00:30:19Love the feeling of the seeing the
- 00:30:20fireworks. Like absolutely worth it.
- 00:30:22>> You guys populated the airwaves with
- 00:30:24certain way certain mental models. I'm
- 00:30:26going to populate the airwaves and say
- 00:30:28don't
- 00:30:30don't bathe yourself in chemicals on
- 00:30:32purpose and call it fun because there's
- 00:30:35so many voices that say oh in moderation
- 00:30:38oh have a little bit or like we want
- 00:30:40purpose and connection. It's all
- 00:30:42storytelling. We you as a human you can
- 00:30:45definitely thrive and be happy and feel
- 00:30:48connected and have fun and be a great
- 00:30:51family. Mike, this is not shaming you.
- 00:30:53Um, without without lathering each other
- 00:30:56up with chemicals. And I feel like the
- 00:30:59the dominant voices in society want to
- 00:31:03path this thing down because it is it's
- 00:31:05a collective assessment of it's kind of
- 00:31:08like you can't change society on a dime.
- 00:31:11We do want to be socially inclusive. You
- 00:31:14want to be involved. Like I totally
- 00:31:15understand all those arguments. that the
- 00:31:17problem is those arguments lead people
- 00:31:19to this consiliatory mark where they
- 00:31:21conclude well I guess we continue on and
- 00:31:25there's very few voices saying this is a
- 00:31:28bad idea like just full stop so if I can
- 00:31:31populate the airwaves and be that voice
- 00:31:33in society I think I would play that
- 00:31:35role
- 00:31:35>> I think it's a worthwhile contribution
- 00:31:37>> okay my results so I got a a total PFA
- 00:31:42PFOS PFXs
- 00:31:45I got a full panel Pass and
- 00:31:49and this
- 00:31:51>> a lot of acronyms starting with P.
- 00:31:53That's the
- 00:31:54>> and the the summary is my my PFOA levels
- 00:31:58are in the lowest 25% for US men aged 20
- 00:32:02to 49. They use that because it
- 00:32:04accumulates over time. And uh my PFOS
- 00:32:08and my PFXXS
- 00:32:09are in the lowest 25% compared to boys
- 00:32:12aged 12 to 19. And so, relatively
- 00:32:15speaking, my levels are low. This is
- 00:32:18kind of surprising to me because I just
- 00:32:21started Blueprint five years ago. Before
- 00:32:23that, I did not know that. I mean, I
- 00:32:25guess I was peripherilally aware that
- 00:32:28non-stick pans were bad because of
- 00:32:30various reasons, but otherwise, I have
- 00:32:33not had great water filtration systems.
- 00:32:35I've not been aware of these things
- 00:32:37throughout my life. So, I'm really
- 00:32:38surprised these results did not come
- 00:32:40back higher because my life has been a
- 00:32:43typical American uh lifestyle with all
- 00:32:46the toxins in our food supply and
- 00:32:47everything else, all the materials we
- 00:32:49have. So, very surprised. I wonder
- 00:32:51actually if what we've been doing with
- 00:32:53Blueprint over the past 5 years
- 00:32:55effectively lowered my levels in ways
- 00:32:57which we don't yet know. But I'm I'm
- 00:32:59really surprised. I should be a I should
- 00:33:01be on par with everybody else at this
- 00:33:04point because I I don't think I've lived
- 00:33:05that differently from most. If if
- 00:33:06anything, I think many of my habits
- 00:33:09before I started Blueprint were worse,
- 00:33:11much worse than the average person.
- 00:33:12>> Well, there's probably multiple things
- 00:33:13that you've been doing recently at least
- 00:33:15that have improved these, right? Like,
- 00:33:17how long have you had your water
- 00:33:18filtration system? It's years, right?
- 00:33:20>> Five five years now.
- 00:33:21>> Five years of water filtration. So, you
- 00:33:22effectively have and that's probably the
- 00:33:25largest source of POS for the majority
- 00:33:28of humans on Earth is water. So
- 00:33:30exclusively drinking or almost
- 00:33:32exclusively drinking from an adequate
- 00:33:34reverse osmosis system, you're likely
- 00:33:37significantly reducing your exposure.
- 00:33:39And then you're also doing lots of
- 00:33:40things to increase excretion. You like
- 00:33:43blueprint gives you lots of
- 00:33:45antioxidants. So you're you are going to
- 00:33:47be doing a better job of clearing
- 00:33:48toxins. Uh high-fiber diet, you're
- 00:33:51likely clearing more toxins through your
- 00:33:53stool because of that. So you know, you
- 00:33:56don't eat meat, which is another big
- 00:33:57source of pas. So, like there are things
- 00:34:00that I think have probably got you in
- 00:34:02this lower 25 percentile for sure.
- 00:34:04>> Also, I'd like to do one other fact
- 00:34:06check to make sure that from my
- 00:34:07understanding, it's not non-stick pans
- 00:34:09that are the problem. It's the
- 00:34:10construction of non-stick pans. So, it's
- 00:34:12not like you don't want to use non-stick
- 00:34:14pans in the home because there's microp
- 00:34:16or PAS in there. It's that the
- 00:34:18manufacturing of those products.
- 00:34:20>> Both are true, I think. So manufacturing
- 00:34:22the products is the primary source of
- 00:34:23the the PAS that um PFOA which is the
- 00:34:28really bad one that everybody tries to
- 00:34:30avoid that was used to make teflon pans
- 00:34:32for a long time. But also teflon pans
- 00:34:34and non-stick pans when they get to a
- 00:34:36certain temperature they do start to
- 00:34:38release volatile compounds. While
- 00:34:40they're not as bad as the PFOA that was
- 00:34:43made to make the pan, they're still not
- 00:34:44necessarily good. So the teflon itself
- 00:34:47is relatively inert until you heat it to
- 00:34:49high levels or when you scratch it,
- 00:34:51things like that. So in general, they're
- 00:34:53not as bad, I think, as most people
- 00:34:55think that they are. It's actually the
- 00:34:56process of making them that that creates
- 00:34:58the majority of the compounds that are
- 00:34:59bad for you.
- 00:35:01>> Cool. So still don't get them. Don't
- 00:35:03feed the economy and avoid having to
- 00:35:06expose yourself to them later on when
- 00:35:07they degrade.
- 00:35:08>> So you can actually look this up online.
- 00:35:10You can look up um the uh PAS levels of
- 00:35:13every uh not every but almost every
- 00:35:16tested water um municipal water system
- 00:35:19and it's actually a pretty cool
- 00:35:20calculator where you can put in how long
- 00:35:22you've lived in that place, your age I
- 00:35:24think and then the um the water
- 00:35:27municipal water supply you're using and
- 00:35:28it'll estimate your your serum pas
- 00:35:31levels and for me it was like almost
- 00:35:33perfect. I would like to indicate that
- 00:35:35I'm getting stressed by this
- 00:35:37conversation and I suspect that I'm no
- 00:35:40no I suspect I'm not alone in this if
- 00:35:43people so if you're listening bear with
- 00:35:44us I am with you. It is stressful.
- 00:35:48Can we talk about how to reduce toxins?
- 00:35:50>> Yeah, Kate just messaged me privately
- 00:35:53about the situation.
- 00:35:56>> I messaged Ryan. I was like I I don't
- 00:35:59have a water filtration.
- 00:36:01>> I responded easy to solve Kate. I've
- 00:36:03I've got you. We've got We'll get two
- 00:36:05tests done today. We'll get a water
- 00:36:07filtration system. It We can get the
- 00:36:09same one I have at the house. It will be
- 00:36:10an easy fix. Yeah, you're good. Mike has
- 00:36:13one already.
- 00:36:14>> You got the full setup, Mike?
- 00:36:15>> Yeah, I got one off Amazon for like 300
- 00:36:17bucks. It wasn't wasn't too bad.
- 00:36:18>> All right, let's get to the good stuff,
- 00:36:20please. Can we soothe our souls?
- 00:36:24>> Can we just start with like the good
- 00:36:25news? The good news is that like I think
- 00:36:27Brian is an example of the opportunity
- 00:36:31to reduce toxin exposure. So Brian's
- 00:36:33done a good job of implementing tools in
- 00:36:36his life to reduce exposure and also to
- 00:36:40help clear um the toxins in the first
- 00:36:42place. So there is like light at the end
- 00:36:44of the tunnel of this this chronic
- 00:36:47exposure of toxins that we're all
- 00:36:48dealing with in the world.
- 00:36:49>> Yeah. So the to pile on what Mike said
- 00:36:52this um it should give you hope that on
- 00:36:55several fronts. So, we mentioned this,
- 00:36:57my most recent microplastics test, I had
- 00:37:01one microplastic particle in the sample
- 00:37:04I provided, and that was in the lowest
- 00:37:07uh 1% of the 4,000 samples we've
- 00:37:10collected. So, a 93% reduction from my
- 00:37:12previous levels of microplastics. So,
- 00:37:15that was a big one. And then two is we
- 00:37:17did the same toxin test that we did post
- 00:37:19the LA fires. And after 20 or so sauna
- 00:37:24sessions, it annihilated those toxins.
- 00:37:26So there was also probably some natural
- 00:37:29tapering off of those toxins cuz they do
- 00:37:31cycle through the body, but also just a
- 00:37:34dramatic reduction in toxins in the
- 00:37:36body. So two really strong results. And
- 00:37:39then the PAS results I think were also
- 00:37:41very positive. The sauna is not going to
- 00:37:44remove PAS, but also like Mike was
- 00:37:45saying, the diet I maintain uh is a very
- 00:37:49pro-toxin removal diet. So, these things
- 00:37:53do have compounded effects. And this is
- 00:37:54what we talk about, you guys. You can
- 00:37:56piece this together. We've tried to be
- 00:37:57the most thoughtful group in the entire
- 00:37:59world on how you systematically address
- 00:38:02longevity. And so, everything we do from
- 00:38:04like the what you put into your mouth to
- 00:38:06the exercise protocols to sleep, um all
- 00:38:09of it has this holistic effect. So
- 00:38:11hopefully you feel encouraged that you
- 00:38:13hear the the conversation today is
- 00:38:16specifically about toxins, but more
- 00:38:18broadly we're trying to say that that
- 00:38:20the protocol we've built is I think best
- 00:38:23in world for approaching health overall.
- 00:38:25So a few things on the specifics. I have
- 00:38:28a a um that reverse osmosis water system
- 00:38:31in my house. I paid $1,300 for it. It
- 00:38:35sits beneath the sink. Mike has one
- 00:38:38that's a few hundred. They're
- 00:38:40competitive in price. Kate, you will get
- 00:38:42yours, too. It's reverse osmosis and
- 00:38:44then there's a remmineralization that
- 00:38:46happens. So, that's a good way to
- 00:38:47eliminate a lot of toxins from uh water.
- 00:38:51I also have an air filtration system.
- 00:38:53So, I bought a commercial grade system.
- 00:38:56I bought the IQ Air Health Pro Plus XE.
- 00:38:59It's a bit expensive. It's about $1,000
- 00:39:02per filter. And I bought several of
- 00:39:03these to be throughout the house because
- 00:39:05we're trying to maintain uh perfect air
- 00:39:07quality in the house at all times.
- 00:39:09There's many other air filtration
- 00:39:11systems that are competitive with, so
- 00:39:13you do not need to spend that kind of
- 00:39:14money. But having a a high quality air
- 00:39:17filter in your house is good. Even more
- 00:39:20powerful is having a a high MV filter in
- 00:39:24your HVAC system. So if you can have a
- 00:39:27MV 13, that's ideal, but you need to
- 00:39:30make sure that your system is rated for
- 00:39:32whatever number you're going to have.
- 00:39:34Some systems can only take like a MV 8
- 00:39:36or MV 9. The higher the number, the
- 00:39:38better the filtration system.
- 00:39:40>> Can I just tell you guys a story about
- 00:39:41air filters?
- 00:39:42>> Yes.
- 00:39:42>> I live in Oregon, uh, in central Oregon.
- 00:39:44We get, uh, lots of fires, um, uh, near
- 00:39:47us that often blow over us. So, we get
- 00:39:50smoke plumes during CO um, was one of
- 00:39:53the first worst fires that we that we
- 00:39:55experienced. And the air quality outside
- 00:39:56for um threeish months or so was between
- 00:40:01like 200 and 300 um PM2.5 which is you
- 00:40:05know an average of at least like 2x LA
- 00:40:09maybe like 3x LA
- 00:40:11>> 5x
- 00:40:11>> 5x sorry it was it was really bad.
- 00:40:13>> It's actually 5 to 10. That's that's
- 00:40:15incredibly high.
- 00:40:17>> Really high.
- 00:40:18>> Yeah. So you know like there's the
- 00:40:19purple air app that allows you to like
- 00:40:20check the air quality. We actually had
- 00:40:22purple air.
- 00:40:24literally. So, but it's and there are no
- 00:40:28air filtration systems available in
- 00:40:31stores or online. Like Amazon sold out,
- 00:40:34uh Home Depot sold out. So, I finally
- 00:40:38found some box fans. I borrowed box fans
- 00:40:40from friends and bought these HVAC
- 00:40:43filters and literally duct taped the
- 00:40:45taped them to the back of the H the um
- 00:40:48the box fans and made two of them. kept
- 00:40:51them in my house because my HVAC, even
- 00:40:52though I had a MV 13 like Brian's
- 00:40:54talking about, which is an ideal level
- 00:40:56for for air quality, it wasn't enough
- 00:40:59because it the air was just so bad
- 00:41:00outside. I mean, like I had to like I
- 00:41:02literally taped the doors. I had like
- 00:41:05saran wrap over the ventilation fans in
- 00:41:07the bathrooms cuz the smoke was like
- 00:41:09drifting down from the ventilation fans.
- 00:41:10So, I built these I built these tools.
- 00:41:12Funny thing, now you can actually buy
- 00:41:14these pre-made. So, like on Amazon for
- 00:41:17like 70 bucks, you can buy a a box fan
- 00:41:20that literally just has like a little
- 00:41:21attachment for it that you put an HVAC
- 00:41:23filter on the back of. So, it's just
- 00:41:25sort of funny that like I like rigged
- 00:41:27this thing that then, you know, 5 years
- 00:41:29later people were like, "Oh, this this
- 00:41:30works. We should just sell these."
- 00:41:31>> That's a very clever idea.
- 00:41:32>> There's lots of tools out there where
- 00:41:33you can get filtration for, you know,
- 00:41:36afford in affordable ways. Um, but the
- 00:41:39the point that you made about um the
- 00:41:40HVAC, Brian, is important. That's the
- 00:41:42best tool you can use to improve your
- 00:41:44indoor air quality is just making sure
- 00:41:46you have an adequate filter on your
- 00:41:47HVAC.
- 00:41:48>> Mhm.
- 00:41:48>> Mike, did you guys experience uh any
- 00:41:51kind of medium or long-term negative
- 00:41:53health effects from this?
- 00:41:55>> I'm sure 100%. Yeah. I mean, there there
- 00:41:58there's there's no way. I mean, nothing
- 00:42:00that I measured I didn't measure at the
- 00:42:01time, but had I had done one of the
- 00:42:03tests like you did, um I'm sure myself,
- 00:42:06everyone in my family, everyone in the
- 00:42:07area would have had similar exposures to
- 00:42:09similar types of chemicals. now is
- 00:42:11predominantly wood burning, not homes.
- 00:42:15Um, so different sorts of exposures, but
- 00:42:17wood wood burning still has PM2.5 that's
- 00:42:19important um and and bad for health
- 00:42:21outcomes. So, I'm sure everyone had had
- 00:42:23bad and still does have bad effects from
- 00:42:25from this exposure. So, that's why it's
- 00:42:27important to at least mitigate your risk
- 00:42:28while you're inside your home.
- 00:42:29>> And also, like your anecdotal
- 00:42:31experience, there's like two things
- 00:42:33there. one is you can get these free
- 00:42:35apps. So, at least you um can make
- 00:42:38appropriate decisions dayto-day on how
- 00:42:40much exposure you're getting to. Like
- 00:42:41for us with the wild with the fireworks,
- 00:42:43it was like, okay, today is a 150 p.m.
- 00:42:47um 2.5 day, so we're not going to go
- 00:42:49outside. We're not going to exercise
- 00:42:51outside. So, that's free free apps. And
- 00:42:54then filters are quite expensive. These
- 00:42:55are alternative things you can do as
- 00:42:56well. And the other thing is you can get
- 00:42:58these um internal monitors. So, you can
- 00:43:00have a monitor in your home. So you can
- 00:43:01actually track are the interventions
- 00:43:03that I'm doing in my home space actually
- 00:43:05working um compared to outside air.
- 00:43:08>> It's worthwhile noting too that the the
- 00:43:10standards that the government the EPA
- 00:43:12sets for air quality are they're a touch
- 00:43:15different than what the research
- 00:43:16suggests. So the research would suggest
- 00:43:18that basically once you get above 50 um
- 00:43:22there start to be health effects.
- 00:43:23There's many places like for example my
- 00:43:25hometown where kids sports still happen
- 00:43:28up to 200 just because the EPA hasn't
- 00:43:31directly come out and said that they
- 00:43:32need to not. So things are things are
- 00:43:35not necessarily to your benefit.
- 00:43:37>> That is not a good situation.
- 00:43:38>> Right now we're at 35. So to give an
- 00:43:42idea of how easy and quick it is to get
- 00:43:44this kind of data at your fingertips.
- 00:43:45>> So all right next thing you can do. So
- 00:43:47we talked about a HVAC filter. We talked
- 00:43:49about an air filter inside the home.
- 00:43:51also uh other things for example like um
- 00:43:56wrappers for fast food. So there was a a
- 00:43:59study done that showed over half tested
- 00:44:02from major chains had it. So this is the
- 00:44:04grease resistant paper that's uh molded
- 00:44:06fiber and uh this was
- 00:44:10uh is being pushed out in California but
- 00:44:14still the you don't want to mess with
- 00:44:16these uh they are potential camp
- 00:44:19contaminants of PAS. So, that's a good
- 00:44:21excuse to not eat fast food.
- 00:44:24>> I think we already had good excuses.
- 00:44:26I'll take that one, too.
- 00:44:28>> Yeah,
- 00:44:28>> just in case you're still considering
- 00:44:30it. So, we've talked about reducing
- 00:44:32exposure.
- 00:44:33Now, let's cover how we can get rid of
- 00:44:36it and then also your results, Brian,
- 00:44:38after having tested again.
- 00:44:39>> It's worth mentioning on our podcast on
- 00:44:42microplastics, we went over the steps of
- 00:44:44how you can minimize your exposure to
- 00:44:47microplastics on a daily basis. You're
- 00:44:49now toxin aare which is very positive.
- 00:44:53And now you can make uh choices on the
- 00:44:56few things you can do. You don't need to
- 00:44:58be overboard, but just these big ones,
- 00:45:00you know, water, air, avoiding things
- 00:45:02like non-stick plant uh pans, don't eat
- 00:45:05fast uh you know, fast food wrappers,
- 00:45:07some of the bigger ones, and you can
- 00:45:09make some big gains in reducing the
- 00:45:11overall exposure.
- 00:45:12>> So, Brian, we noticed a significant
- 00:45:14change um uh with sauna. Do you want to
- 00:45:16tell us a little bit about what happened
- 00:45:18when um you tested your tested your
- 00:45:21toxins uh after your sauna?
- 00:45:22>> We recently started this protocol. It's
- 00:45:25200 degrees Fahrenheit for 20 minutes.
- 00:45:29That's 93° C and it's a dry sauna. We
- 00:45:33chose that because it has more
- 00:45:35compelling evidence and we were shocked
- 00:45:38at the efficacy of toxin removal. Mike,
- 00:45:42I think you mentioned you hadn't ever
- 00:45:44seen such a dramatic reduction of any
- 00:45:47kind of toxin removal therapy.
- 00:45:49>> No, I had not. I I mean, I had also
- 00:45:51never had anyone who like um religiously
- 00:45:54does exactly what I tell them to do. So,
- 00:45:56it might be just that you're uh you're
- 00:45:59actually doing the sauna 20 minutes uh 7
- 00:46:01days a week, 200 degrees. But it was I
- 00:46:04mean we you basically went um those
- 00:46:06results 95th percentile on what seven or
- 00:46:08eight markers to like virtually zero.
- 00:46:10>> Zero. Exactly.
- 00:46:11>> And the time span, was it 3 weeks?
- 00:46:13>> Yep. Uh 23 sessions. So we'll throw up
- 00:46:15the results on screen,
- 00:46:16>> which is crazy.
- 00:46:17>> Yeah. And and I guess it could also be
- 00:46:19the case that the sauna was coupled up
- 00:46:22with the blueprint diet. So we're we're
- 00:46:25high in in the fiber, the antioxidants,
- 00:46:27and a lot of uh the nutrition. So I
- 00:46:29wonder if it's a combination of diet,
- 00:46:32exercise, sleep, sauna, like the
- 00:46:34competatory effects of a body running
- 00:46:37well. But it was it was a stunning
- 00:46:39decrease. We'll put this up on screen,
- 00:46:40but just to like rattle off some. And we
- 00:46:42had a 100% drop in MEP, 15% drop in MP
- 00:46:46BP, 100% drop in ME HP, which meant it
- 00:46:51was undetectable post sauna. We had 56%
- 00:46:53drop in NAP and H E MA, and 100% drop in
- 00:46:59perlate across the board. A mixture of
- 00:47:02somewhere probably between I would say
- 00:47:04at least 50% across most markers. So,
- 00:47:07wild change. And these are all of those
- 00:47:10compounds that were increased
- 00:47:12specifically from the LA fires and um
- 00:47:15burning of materials that are inorganic.
- 00:47:18>> There's other things that you were doing
- 00:47:18as well too worth worth mentioning these
- 00:47:20Brian like for example uh on the
- 00:47:23blueprint diet you're naturally getting
- 00:47:24high levels of antioxidants like vitamin
- 00:47:27C uh in acetylcyine uh lots of
- 00:47:30cruciferous vegetables like lots of
- 00:47:32sulfur containing compounds like garlic.
- 00:47:33So high levels of these antioxidants are
- 00:47:36going to help your body's natural
- 00:47:38defenses against toxins. So the body
- 00:47:40naturally manages toxins with the
- 00:47:43exception of the forever chemicals, the
- 00:47:44POS.
- 00:47:46And the way to help the body do that is
- 00:47:49a a diet that's high in antioxidants. So
- 00:47:52by getting these high levels of
- 00:47:53antioxidants, you're going to do a much
- 00:47:55better job of clearing quickly. So
- 00:47:57that's also helping the sauna. So it's
- 00:47:58not just sauna by itself. And then you
- 00:48:00were still doing some Hbot, right?
- 00:48:02>> Yes.
- 00:48:03>> Yeah. HBO's likely going to have a
- 00:48:04similar effect. So, anti-inflammatory
- 00:48:06antioxidant effects that are going to
- 00:48:08basically support those systems, the
- 00:48:10anti-inflammatory antioxidant systems.
- 00:48:12It's going to allow your body to manage
- 00:48:14uh clearance of toxins a lot easier.
- 00:48:16>> Okay. So, we can sauna, we can boost
- 00:48:18antioxidants through diet and
- 00:48:20supplementation. We can boost um
- 00:48:23antioxidant anti-inflammatory defenses
- 00:48:25through HBOT. What else can people do?
- 00:48:28>> Yeah, and by the way, we should throw up
- 00:48:29on screen the don't die food guide. So,
- 00:48:32eat foods from this uh menu. And then
- 00:48:36the blueprint stack has many of these
- 00:48:39things that we're talking about. So, if
- 00:48:40you want to do that, great. If you want
- 00:48:42to go out and buy your own, go do it.
- 00:48:44We're trying to make this easy for you
- 00:48:46guys on how you can do this, you know,
- 00:48:48in some kind of uh lowcost
- 00:48:51uh time manageable way.
- 00:48:53>> And then the last thing that we did
- 00:48:54mention was um increasing your fiber
- 00:48:56intake in general to also be able to
- 00:48:59excrete it through stool.
- 00:49:00>> Yeah. And that's most significant for
- 00:49:01the for the POS chemicals as well. So
- 00:49:03helping your body um helping your stool
- 00:49:07grab onto those PAS chemicals and
- 00:49:09excrete them. Um because otherwise they
- 00:49:11get reabsorbed by the gut.
- 00:49:12>> All right, you guys. There you have it.
- 00:49:13Um am I more emotionally soothed? I
- 00:49:16think so. It's definitely a scary topic.
- 00:49:18It makes me sad that we don't have
- 00:49:20better infrastructure to know what's
- 00:49:22affecting our bodies. But also I'm very
- 00:49:24happy that we're being really diligent
- 00:49:26even if it is an end of one that we get
- 00:49:28to have these novel insights to help
- 00:49:30others. What do you guys think?
- 00:49:32>> I take Brian as an example that there is
- 00:49:34easy opportunity here for um for most
- 00:49:37people that is even relatively
- 00:49:39affordable in the sense of um water
- 00:49:42filtration as an easy tool to reduce
- 00:49:45exposure as well as just replacing your
- 00:49:47HVAC filter with one that's slightly
- 00:49:49stronger um or 13. like even if you did
- 00:49:52just those two things, you're having a
- 00:49:54really significant impact on your
- 00:49:56overall health and your overall toxin
- 00:49:58exposure. And that's um relatively
- 00:50:00approachable for most people, which is
- 00:50:02great. And I think hopefully we can help
- 00:50:04educate people that um these are things
- 00:50:05that they can do to take better care of
- 00:50:07themselves and uh and their loved ones.
- 00:50:10>> Yeah. And actually um again, like we
- 00:50:12always come back to the same thing,
- 00:50:13which is like the basics of health end
- 00:50:15up covering off a lot of the majority
- 00:50:17benefits that you would get from this
- 00:50:19anyway. So um you know exercising,
- 00:50:22excreting through through sweat, having
- 00:50:24a fibrous diet. If you want to simplify
- 00:50:26your health routine and not get stressed
- 00:50:28out with this kind of stuff, just cover
- 00:50:29the basics and you're off to a much
- 00:50:31better start than majority of
- 00:50:32population, especially here in America.
- 00:50:34>> Yeah. And I also want to punch in and
- 00:50:36offer some words of comfort because I
- 00:50:38know this is very distressing. I mean,
- 00:50:41for example, I know we mentioned this on
- 00:50:43our podcast on microplastics. glass
- 00:50:45bottles have five to 50x the
- 00:50:48microplastics as plastic bottles and
- 00:50:51that can lead to a feeling of despair
- 00:50:53that no matter what you do, no matter
- 00:50:55how hard you try, it's just unavoidable.
- 00:50:57So therefore, yolo and just want to give
- 00:51:00you some encouragement that it really is
- 00:51:03about the journey. It's science is going
- 00:51:06to change. We're going to be surprised
- 00:51:08here and there. I mean, I discovered
- 00:51:09this week that uh in doing the sauna, I
- 00:51:12was accidentally using a towel that was
- 00:51:1515% polyester. So, I was accidentally
- 00:51:20I was accidentally wiping my body with
- 00:51:24toxins when I was in the sauna to try to
- 00:51:26remove toxins. Good bit of uh humorous
- 00:51:29irony for you there, but it's going to
- 00:51:31happen and it's fine. So try to get the
- 00:51:33big ones in your life like we discussed
- 00:51:36uh clean water, clean air. Just try to
- 00:51:39avoid spikes of toxins where you have
- 00:51:41control. For example, fireworks. But
- 00:51:44it's really, you know, there's a there's
- 00:51:45a limited return on this of going too
- 00:51:47far. Just try to get the big ones right.
- 00:51:50And we discussed like fast food is a
- 00:51:52vector for these kinds of things. So a
- 00:51:53few good decisions. And I would say that
- 00:51:55you there's two different versions of
- 00:51:56you. There's a version of you that is
- 00:51:59soberminded and wants to be your best
- 00:52:03self that hears these things and says,
- 00:52:06"I'm on board." And there's a version of
- 00:52:08you which is in the moment it's like,
- 00:52:11"I'm just going to eat the the fast food
- 00:52:12meal because of it's Saturday and I
- 00:52:15deserve a break." And you know, whatever
- 00:52:16your rationale is, try to channel your
- 00:52:19best self and your best moments and then
- 00:52:22make life choices. So this is what I did
- 00:52:24when I fired evening Brian. Evening
- 00:52:26Brian's the kind of guy who's gonna be
- 00:52:28like, honestly, PA fast is not that bad.
- 00:52:31Like, whatever. It's everywhere. You
- 00:52:32can't avoid it, so you might as well.
- 00:52:34And I just said, even Brian, you can't
- 00:52:36have decision-making power anymore. So,
- 00:52:38this is very much like a psychological
- 00:52:39thing. It's very practical. So, I
- 00:52:41understand the complexity of this. So, I
- 00:52:43hope you don't feel overwhelmed. I hope
- 00:52:45you see this is like a nice positive
- 00:52:47step. We're doing this together. like
- 00:52:49collectively we're becoming much more
- 00:52:50aware of toxins and we will change
- 00:52:53culture as we make these changes
- 00:52:55together. So have hope we're going to be
- 00:52:58okay. We're going to figure this out.
- 00:53:00>> Perfect ending.
- 00:53:00>> That was awesome.
- 00:53:01>> This is the Brian Johnson podcast.
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