Roger Waters & Abby Martin: Voices of Reason in a Time of Genocide

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Resumen

TLDRRoger Waters gesels met die Empire Files oor 'n verskeidenheid kwessies, insluitend die invloed van Donald Trump se beleid, die verval van menseregte, en die konflik in Palestina en Oekraïne. Hy spreek sy skeptisisme oor die rol van kunstenaars en bekendes in die aanspreek van sosiale ongeregtighede uit en gebruik sy platform om die noodsaaklikheid van dialoog en die bevordering van menseregte aan te moedig. Waters kritiseer ook die VSA se internasionale beleid en die manier hoe magstrukture menseregte minag. Deur sy uitlatings probeer hy die belang van openbare bewusmaking en verantwoordelikheid onderstreep.

Para llevar

  • 🎤 Roger Waters is 'n uitgesproke kritikus van die huidige politieke situasie in die VSA en wêreldwyd.
  • 🗳️ Hy sien min verskil tussen politieke partye as dit kom by internasionale betrekkinge en menseregte.
  • 🇵🇸 Waters is 'n sterk voorstander van Palestina en kritiseer Israel se beleid skerp.
  • 🎨 Hy beklemtoon die rol van kunstenaars om steeds sosiale geregtigheid aan te spreek.
  • 📰 Waters is skepties oor hoofstroom media en pleit vir die ondersteuning van alternatiewe media.
  • 💡 Hy bespreek die noodsaaklikheid van 'n morele kompas in politiek en persoonlike optrede.
  • 👥 Hy moedig 'n breër dialoog en samewerking aan om menseregte te bevorder.
  • 🎸 Waters kritiseer die musiekbedryf se verbruikerskultuur en die uitbuiting van kunstenaars.
  • 🥴 Hy is bekommerd oor die invloed van figures soos Elon Musk en die toekoms van sosiale media.
  • 📚 Waters pleit vir bewaring van die Universele Verklaring van Menseregte en sy beginsels.

Cronología

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    In hierdie segment word Roger Waters verwelkom vir 'n gesprek oor die huidige politieke klimaat, insluitende sy reaksie op Donald Trump se verkiesing en die onlangse uitspraak oor die konflik in Oekraïne. Waters bespreek die frakturele en politieke motiewe agter die oorlog en die gevolge daarvan op menseregte.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Die dialoog verskuif na die breër politieke stelsel in Amerika en die belangstellings van die VSA in oorloë. Die gebrek aan empatie vir menseregte deur deelstaatbeleid word beklemtoon, en Waters kritiseer die vorige administrasie se optrede teenoor internasionale kwessies.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Waters reflekteer oor die geskiedenis van Tweede Wêreldoorlog en die menseregte-vordering wat destyds gemaak is, maar kontrasteer dit met vandag se internasionale politiek, waaronder die Verenigde Nasies se tekortkominge en dubbele standaarde.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Die argument raak persoonliker namate Waters krities die VSA se beleid teenoor Israel verken, wat hy as 'n voorbeeld van moderne imperialisme en wit supremacistiese gedrag sien. Hy noem die ooreenkoms tussen die huidige VSA-Israel verhouding en die Nazi-bewind se ideologieë.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Die bespreking sluit aan by die ekonomiese en politieke situasie in die VSA. Waters spreek sy skeptisisme uit oor toekomstige administrasies se vermoë om die nasionale probleme aan te pak, en wys op hoe politici selfverryking bo die welstand van burgers stel.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Die gesprek draai na die rol van bekende figure soos Elon Musk in die politiek en media, en hoe korporatiewe belange mag kan koop en invloed uit kan oefen wat direk die openbare diskursus en persepsies verander.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Roger Waters voer 'n klag teen kulturele figure wat volgens hom bydra tot en normaliseer die apartheid-staat Israel se optrede. Hy kritiseer diegene wat die boikotbeweging teen Israel minag, insluitend van sy musikantkollegas.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Hierdie segment fokus sterk op Roger Waters se verbintenis tot die Palestynse saak en sy uitsprake teenoor mense wat sy standpunt kritiseer of teenstaan, insluitend 'n bespreking oor die rol van sport en kultuur in politieke kampvegtery.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:39

    Die slotgedagte van die video is 'n betoging vir die behoud van morele waardes en 'n beroep op mense om nie stil oor onreg te bly nie. Waters sluit af deur sy hoop en verbintenis aan die stem van rede en geregtigheid uit te druk.

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Vídeo de preguntas y respuestas

  • Wat is Roger Waters se mening oor Donald Trump?

    Roger Waters sien Trump as 'n figure wat rykdom en invloed bo menseregte stel, en kritiseer sy toegeneëntheid tot die status quo.

  • Watter kwessies bespreek Roger Waters in hierdie onderhoud?

    Hy bespreek die politieke landskap in die VSA, die konflik in Oekraïne en Palestina, en die invloed van bekende figure in sosiale geregtigheid.

  • Hoe voel Roger Waters oor die huidige staat van menseregte?

    Waters is kritiek oor die huidige staat en sien baie leiers as onverskillig teenoor menseregte.

  • Wat is Roger Waters se siening oor die rol van kunstenaars en bekendes?

    Hy glo kunstenaars het 'n verantwoordelikheid om sosiale ongeregtighede aan te spreek en hul invloed te gebruik om verandering te bewerkstellig.

  • Hoe reageer Waters op kritiek van ander kunstenaars soos Tom York van Radiohead?

    Hy beskou sommige van hulle as oningelig en kritiseer hul keuses om boycots te ignoreer.

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  • 00:00:00
    [Music]
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    Roger Waters the artist The Legend thank
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    you so much for coming on the Empire
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    files and chatting with me I'm so happy
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    to be back again almost been that last
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    bit better God it's almost been a year
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    since we last spoke on here oh don't the
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    years fly by time is fake I'm honestly
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    convinced time is fake just how I've see
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    I feel like a sort of hedgeh O with a
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    skull in its front like a bit like that
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    actually I don't but I love this coconut
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    so sorry I'm sorry I know you want to
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    talk about important things so I'll let
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    you wax philosophy all day long Roger
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    you just say whatever you want and I'll
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    be here to receive it I mean I guess
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    let's start with just your reaction to
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    the landslide Victory from Trump were
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    you expecting that I thought it was no
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    in hindsight I think it was super
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    predictable I didn't expect or not
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    expect cuz tried to pay no
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    attention to the pretend um election
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    with kamla and
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    Donald the two puppets not fighting it
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    out in an in an arena that all of us
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    wish we'd never ever had to see ever
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    because it diverts us from whatever
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    potential we might have to express our
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    love for our brothers and sisters in
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    ways that are more meaning ful than all
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    that absolute arant nonsense that we
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    just
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    watched I was glad to see though Trump
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    make a short speech I saw it on um
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    judging Freedom this morning I think
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    orot no yesterday maybe and they'd got
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    two minutes of trump saying that the war
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    in Ukraine should stop now this minute
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    and that they should have a cease course
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    he doesn't
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    mention what the end game might be but
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    but always a SE an immediate ceasefire
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    is always good everywhere whatever the
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    situation is and wherever it is in the
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    world yeah it's fascinating that just
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    the term ceasefire has been somehow
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    politicized it's like this is actually a
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    thing that's just a
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    no-brainer um and why is it some sort of
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    partisan trap why is it even deemed Pro
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    palestin I mean it should just be
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    stopped The Killing like why are we even
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    arguing that now now now we're talking
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    about yeah about Palestine I think Trump
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    was talking about UK ukine he wasn't
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    talking about Palestine he's made his
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    position pretty clear on Palestine kill
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    them all and build a golf course and a
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    nice resort for Jewish people only or
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    tourists with a lot of money and uh
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    that's a much better um plan for Gaza
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    than the people whose land it is
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    remaining crammed in there just kill
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    them all Trump's quite clear about that
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    he makes no bones about it um it feels
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    like that's almost his second most
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    important thing first most important
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    thing is that Donald Trump gets richer
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    that's the most pressing thing him and
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    his family get rich but after that it's
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    kind of a tossup
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    between killing or removing all illegal
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    immigrants who's going to do the work
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    Donald they do all the work those people
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    who live on the outside of this black
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    economy they get paid $7 an hour or five
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    or however little anybody can get away
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    with it and they do all the work that we
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    don't want to do who's going to do the
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    work
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    Donald if you clean how how many does he
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    say 20 million 30
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    million illegal aliens out the United
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    States I mean it Beggars believe but
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    anyway as we know this is all nonsense
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    it's all rocr none of it none of it will
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    have any effect on making America
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    America a better country to live in or a
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    better country to be part of well that's
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    what's so fascinating I mean that's
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    what's so fascinating is that we've
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    already had Donald Trump for four years
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    so there's no kind of question mark
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    about what is he going to be like is he
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    going to be an outsider is he going to
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    fight the Deep state is he going to
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    fight the war machine I mean we already
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    know exactly who he is and we've con see
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    by his cabinet what the policies will be
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    he's been very transparent but still
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    because of the abysmal catastrophic
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    failures of the democratic party and
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    forming any sort of
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    opposition um Donald Trump was able to
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    seize on populist rhetoric on anti-war
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    rhetoric and gather a large swath of
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    disaffected Voters who are voting
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    against status quo ISM yeah well the
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    status quo won't change whether it's
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    Kamala Harris or Donald Trump makes
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    absolutely very very little difference I
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    would suggest except with a possible
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    exception of foreign policy on Ukraine
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    which I just mentioned before you never
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    know it may be that the Donald has got
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    some weird you know quer in his head
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    that he feels that that uh Ukraine is a
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    kind of is a drain on his
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    pocket and and in consequence he wants
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    to cancel it obviously he couldn't give
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    a [ __ ] what happens to the Ukrainian
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    people otherwise he would have been
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    fighting against this war since it
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    started in uh in February 2022 and he
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    hasn't
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    been we live in fascinating times don't
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    we you know we do we care about human
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    rights or not and the answer if you are
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    anything to do with the status quo is in
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    America is a resounding no we don't
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    because anyone who voted for Donald
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    Trump or Kamala Harris is saying as loud
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    as they can shout it we don't give a fig
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    for human rights or international law or
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    life and death of our brothers and
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    sisters all over the world we just don't
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    care and that here are our votes saying
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    we don't give a [ __ ] and that so where
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    is there to go you know my view is that
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    you can either go downhill until you get
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    back into the 18th century or in
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    certainly in the middle of the 19th
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    century when you when slavery is still
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    uh
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    legal uh and and just go back there and
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    say listen we are still
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    um committed to the idea of white
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    supremacist Manifest Destiny
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    Palestinians are natives so we're going
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    to kill them all and then we're going to
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    turn their country into a golf course
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    and also a place for where Jewish people
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    can go okay and live and they can help
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    us to kill all the indigenous people
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    there and that's okay we're fine with
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    that because it suits us we like golf
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    courses okay
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    we don't like indigenous people we've
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    shown that for hundreds of years and
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    we're gonna we're not going to change I
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    mean that's what's so paradoxical about
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    just Democrats in general or liberalism
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    I mean to have the audacity to talk
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    about land acknowledgement and you know
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    before they're just signing off to just
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    exterminate and ethnically cleanse
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    indigenous people across the world um
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    this violent conquest and colonization
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    it's happening real time not in history
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    books from hundreds of years ago
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    and so it just makes a mockery uh of
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    even the pretense of international law I
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    mean what the hell is going on here
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    Roger have you ever seen anything so
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    cynical and
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    disgusting no I haven't um people say
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    Piers Morgan said to me yes you have you
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    were born in the Second World War I said
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    peer I was five months old you
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    know I was born in 1943 I didn't see the
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    Holocaust I was a tiny baby of course
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    there were horri
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    you know um photograph album with
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    pictures of bson being what you know
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    being liberated and so I saw lots of
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    photographs of very thin dead people
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    after the war but but I also was sort of
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    around at the beginning of the National
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    Health Service and I was around after
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    the Declaration of Human Rights on 10th
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    of December
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    19 um 48 I was 5 years old I wasn't
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    really old enough to quite get what was
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    going going on but I could read about it
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    later and it was a pretense by the
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    leaders in the western world and in the
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    Eastern world all right it was a
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    pretense towards at least um that we did
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    believe in Universal human rights and
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    the United Nations was supposed to be a
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    body set up to protect Universal human
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    rights but we the people allowed
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    ourselves to be inv vagled into the
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    except acceptance of a veto in the most
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    important Committee in the United
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    Nations which is the security Council so
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    the five original me the five winners of
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    World War II the Russians Chinese um the
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    English the French and the Americans
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    have a power of feto so if there's
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    anything in that supposedly Democratic
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    body that is the security Council any
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    one of the anybody of those far
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    who wants to vote against the majority
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    of the 15 man security C they can and
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    they don't have to explain it and they
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    don't have to support it with argument
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    or with any kind of moral compass they
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    just say vetoed they did it today they
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    veto his cease for the Americans there
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    was a vote in the security Council today
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    for a ceasefire in Gaza of all places
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    and there was one vote against and guess
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    who it was it was the United States of
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    America voted against it I mean this
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    whole institution is just absolutely a f
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    the whole country the US it really is
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    whole the United States of America has
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    now come clean that's the only good
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    thing about what's happening now is the
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    task is off they've openly admitted it
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    and said yes we are white
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    supremacist um exceptionalist
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    I can't say the word dumb something
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    something something something but that's
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    what we are and we're not trying to hide
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    it anymore right Israel is our platform
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    for no longer hiding the fact that we
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    are the Nazis We Are Who the third right
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    was in the second world war so Roger
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    Waters and all you children who were
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    born during the war after the war and
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    everyone who comes get used to it we
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    never meant any of it
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    it's amazing because it really is
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    similar to Nazi Germany um looking at
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    what Israel is doing and you know
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    obviously with the United States
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    subsidizing all of this I think 70% of
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    War costs come from this country my
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    country um and but what's so curiously
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    different and starkly different about
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    World War II is that you don't have
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    Allied Powers sacrificing millions of
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    soldiers to defeat Nazism it's actually
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    the inverse where you have the Allied
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    Powers supporting the Nazi State and
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    basically deciding that there's no red
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    line they can't cross you mean now
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    supporting Israel yeah yeah
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    yeah and you you know and all of us we
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    have to could we this is why we all turn
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    the turn our phones on at some point
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    during the day to watch you or Aaron
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    Marte or you know Judge Napolitano on
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    judging Freeman or or Ali Abu you know
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    and or one of those alternative programs
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    one of our alternative Pro to try
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    and hear the voice of
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    reason so that we can say well we think
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    we know what we should be
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    doing but how can we implement it
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    because the other they the blink and
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    Sullivan and Biden's you know God bless
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    him well he has no power he's wandering
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    around with a headful of cottage jees
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    but but the ones who can still speak you
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    know uh are are in a position where they
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    are enjoying in a narcissistic and
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    vicious way wielding that power but to
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    the good of no one you think this is
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    helping the people of America or the
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    people of Israel you think that the
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    people of Israel can possibly
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    survive I mean we know they're murdering
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    the indigenous people people in their
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    thousands not one by one in their
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    thousands every day but imagine as well
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    what it's doing to them what do they
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    think it's doing to them and their
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    children and the survivability of of
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    this colonial project it is just so
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    counterintuitive to us imperialism but
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    then at the end of the day when you're a
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    hammer every problem is a nail and
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    ultimately us emany will be more
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    dominant with whatever Israel fulfills
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    whether it's the regional War Topp in
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    Iran I I mean let's not forget remember
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    that interview with Wesley Clark and Amy
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    Goodman where he said Dick Cheney came
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    to him and said we're going to knock
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    down seven countries in 5 years yeah and
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    that was the plan all along yeah I do
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    remember that
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    moment you know and there maybe two of
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    us who remember it now of course not
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    there are thousands of us who remember
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    that but we're only thousands we might
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    even only be hundreds who even
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    noticed Wesley whatever his name was
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    that General when came out he told us
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    that and then we watched it all unfold
  • 00:14:02
    in front of our eyes and we took no
  • 00:14:04
    notes people still people sent me to
  • 00:14:06
    centry and of try and kept me there
  • 00:14:09
    because I didn't want the United States
  • 00:14:12
    for instance Clinton was wanted to know
  • 00:14:15
    fly on do you remember when Obama was oh
  • 00:14:17
    yeah president in Syria so she wanted to
  • 00:14:21
    go to war in Syria for re regime change
  • 00:14:26
    Hillary Clinton doesn't know anything
  • 00:14:27
    about Syria
  • 00:14:29
    nothing I guarantee you she's completely
  • 00:14:32
    ignorant she has no idea who the Syrian
  • 00:14:36
    people are how Syria was create bet she
  • 00:14:38
    knows nothing about syes Pico or what
  • 00:14:41
    happened at the end of the first world
  • 00:14:43
    war or anything she just knows that they
  • 00:14:45
    want to interfere and she maybe she knew
  • 00:14:48
    about Wesley Clark and that story of him
  • 00:14:53
    I just heard the most hilarious uh I
  • 00:14:56
    just saw the most hilarious article
  • 00:14:57
    about how when Bill Clinton did the
  • 00:14:59
    affair with Monica Lewinsky blew up and
  • 00:15:01
    Hillary didn't talk to bill for eight
  • 00:15:03
    months after that the first phone call
  • 00:15:06
    she made to bill was to tell them to
  • 00:15:08
    bomb
  • 00:15:10
    Yugoslavia and that's what saved their
  • 00:15:12
    marriage
  • 00:15:14
    wow so they did and and they bummed the
  • 00:15:17
    Chinese
  • 00:15:19
    Embassy yeah nice well done you know I
  • 00:15:23
    mean it's amazing I mean you're talking
  • 00:15:24
    about when you were born in the context
  • 00:15:26
    of World War II I mean I was born under
  • 00:15:28
    Reagan
  • 00:15:29
    very depressing looking you know fast
  • 00:15:32
    forward 40 years Roger and we're looking
  • 00:15:34
    at this new government Department that's
  • 00:15:37
    going to be over seen by Vivic ramaswami
  • 00:15:40
    Elon Musk who is a defense contractor
  • 00:15:43
    also which is just unbelievable and
  • 00:15:45
    they're basically taking a Javier Malay
  • 00:15:48
    Playbook where they're just going to do
  • 00:15:50
    shock Doctrine on steroids like a new
  • 00:15:53
    wave of deregulation and
  • 00:15:55
    neoliberalism I mean I am assuming that
  • 00:15:58
    the pentagon's not going be part of
  • 00:15:59
    these massive Cuts because elon's got to
  • 00:16:02
    get his riches yeah now of course they
  • 00:16:04
    won't cut anything from the war budgets
  • 00:16:08
    why would they do that no they won't do
  • 00:16:10
    that that that's one that's they figured
  • 00:16:13
    out that that's one of the absolute
  • 00:16:15
    locked in solid ways to steal from the
  • 00:16:18
    poor and line their own Pockets we all
  • 00:16:20
    know that that's why so many people go
  • 00:16:23
    through the revolving door straight out
  • 00:16:25
    of government straight into the War
  • 00:16:27
    Industries because could is perfect war
  • 00:16:30
    is the perfect way to steal money from
  • 00:16:33
    poor people and give it to Elon Musk and
  • 00:16:35
    Jeff Bezos and Donald Trump workingclass
  • 00:16:39
    white folk who think that Donald Trump
  • 00:16:41
    is on their side I feel sorry for them
  • 00:16:43
    Sumer times but and yet I can understand
  • 00:16:46
    that I can understand why they would
  • 00:16:48
    vote for him because there's no
  • 00:16:51
    alternative like comea Harris isn't Al
  • 00:16:54
    an
  • 00:16:55
    alternative it's just it's just another
  • 00:16:57
    puppet but she is going to follow all
  • 00:16:59
    the same instructions for what they
  • 00:17:02
    laughingly call the Deep state so yeah
  • 00:17:05
    who who who knows it it's kind of I'm
  • 00:17:08
    sure you find it difficult I do we get
  • 00:17:10
    up in the all I do now is I get up and I
  • 00:17:13
    go
  • 00:17:14
    Roger pull yourself together try and do
  • 00:17:18
    one thing today that is positive so
  • 00:17:21
    appearing with you is a very very good
  • 00:17:24
    thing to do okay because we are to
  • 00:17:26
    together we are part of the voice of the
  • 00:17:28
    people people we are the people and
  • 00:17:31
    there are billions of us and there are
  • 00:17:33
    more of us than there are of them so we
  • 00:17:36
    are part of making the voice of the
  • 00:17:39
    people the voice for the voice list
  • 00:17:41
    louder so that's one good thing to do
  • 00:17:43
    today just
  • 00:17:45
    imagine just imagine no possessions it's
  • 00:17:48
    easy if you try you know just imagine no
  • 00:17:51
    countries nothing to live or died
  • 00:17:53
    for just the Brotherhood of Man just
  • 00:17:56
    imagine sharing everything just imagine
  • 00:18:00
    what that might feel like imagine the
  • 00:18:03
    joy that is out there waiting to embrace
  • 00:18:07
    us all if we stop murdering and
  • 00:18:11
    pillaging and plundering our brothers
  • 00:18:13
    and sisters and start talking to them
  • 00:18:18
    and learning from them like the lovely
  • 00:18:21
    people in in the New Zealand Parliament
  • 00:18:25
    this morning doing the haaker just
  • 00:18:26
    imagine if we actually reorganized
  • 00:18:28
    Society to fulfill people's basic needs
  • 00:18:32
    and we actually engaged in diplomacy
  • 00:18:35
    yeah instead of bombs and death and
  • 00:18:38
    destruction I mean the fact that b Biden
  • 00:18:40
    or whoever the hell is running the ship
  • 00:18:42
    right now Roger seems hellbent on
  • 00:18:44
    starting World War III before Trump even
  • 00:18:47
    takes office with these new long range
  • 00:18:50
    missiles and and and now just directly
  • 00:18:53
    confronting Russia in Russian territory
  • 00:18:56
    I mean what on Earth is happening here
  • 00:18:58
    so yeah when Trump says I'm going to
  • 00:19:00
    talk to Putin that's not a bad thing but
  • 00:19:04
    the Democrats wanted to paint it like
  • 00:19:06
    how dare you he's the new Hitler and and
  • 00:19:10
    I'm sorry but the majority of Americans
  • 00:19:11
    watching that are saying hey I don't
  • 00:19:13
    understand why we can't talk to people
  • 00:19:16
    why is that a bad thing and you can't
  • 00:19:18
    uncouple people's economic conditions
  • 00:19:20
    here with foreign
  • 00:19:23
    policy that would be part of a step
  • 00:19:25
    towards listening to the voice of reason
  • 00:19:29
    we Des what do we need more than
  • 00:19:31
    anything else we need to talk to one
  • 00:19:34
    another and we need to listen to the
  • 00:19:38
    voice of reason okay and they
  • 00:19:43
    are absolutely sworn to and devoted to
  • 00:19:46
    the idea of not talking to the other
  • 00:19:49
    side because they like confrontation
  • 00:19:51
    because it's good for business their
  • 00:19:56
    business not your business y i promise
  • 00:19:59
    you if you are a workingclass white or
  • 00:20:02
    blue color worker and you voted for
  • 00:20:04
    Trump you will not be better off at the
  • 00:20:07
    end of the coming four years than you
  • 00:20:08
    were before he will be oh he's gonna be
  • 00:20:12
    oh he's gonna be lying in his pockets
  • 00:20:14
    baby and so yeah but I mean I think I
  • 00:20:17
    think it really comes down to you know I
  • 00:20:19
    know that foreign policy was downplayed
  • 00:20:21
    I know that the Gaza genocide was
  • 00:20:22
    downplayed as a factor as a driving
  • 00:20:24
    factor with the election but Roger I
  • 00:20:25
    really think you can't uncouple people's
  • 00:20:28
    material conditions half of the people
  • 00:20:31
    in this country are suffering they're
  • 00:20:34
    financially unstable I mean they are not
  • 00:20:38
    secure financially and then you just
  • 00:20:41
    look at the periphery the backdrop of
  • 00:20:42
    the genocide of subsidizing this proxy
  • 00:20:46
    war in Ukraine people understand that
  • 00:20:48
    they heard when Joe Biden said you guys
  • 00:20:50
    you're going to have to pay a little bit
  • 00:20:52
    more for gas because we have to keep
  • 00:20:54
    funneling these weapons to Ukraine to
  • 00:20:56
    stand up to Putin what do you think the
  • 00:20:58
    average worker who can't afford bread or
  • 00:21:01
    groceries thinks of when they hear Joe
  • 00:21:03
    Biden saying they need to sacrifice at
  • 00:21:05
    the pump to stand against Putin so the
  • 00:21:09
    question really for the people of the
  • 00:21:11
    United States of America particularly
  • 00:21:13
    the working people of the United States
  • 00:21:15
    of America is how long are we gonna go
  • 00:21:19
    on buying this
  • 00:21:22
    [ __ ] because they can all look at
  • 00:21:25
    the cost of an egg or the cost of a Bott
  • 00:21:28
    of milk or the cost of a slice of bread
  • 00:21:31
    and they can all or the cost as you say
  • 00:21:34
    of a gallon of gasoline so they they can
  • 00:21:37
    all
  • 00:21:38
    see that they used to sort of be able to
  • 00:21:42
    get by back in 50s or the 60s even the
  • 00:21:46
    they can't now you can't live there's no
  • 00:21:49
    way you can get by all you can do is get
  • 00:21:53
    deeper in debt St Peter don't you call
  • 00:21:57
    me cuz I can't go
  • 00:21:59
    I owe my soul to the company store
  • 00:22:02
    actually it's in my it's in there's a
  • 00:22:04
    lyric a bit like that in my song The in
  • 00:22:07
    my um song the B yeah the the man put
  • 00:22:10
    out his hand to help me gave me credit
  • 00:22:12
    at The Company Store had I looked into
  • 00:22:15
    his eyes it would come as no
  • 00:22:19
    surprise that I can't make the payments
  • 00:22:22
    anymore no it's no surprise so when when
  • 00:22:27
    are we when are you going to stop
  • 00:22:28
    believing the mainstream media and
  • 00:22:31
    believing what you see on television and
  • 00:22:33
    all that stuff and go who they are
  • 00:22:36
    stealing our lives from us our whole
  • 00:22:39
    lives are being stolen by the very very
  • 00:22:44
    wealthy when are we going to put our
  • 00:22:46
    foot down and say n the mass because we
  • 00:22:50
    can there's a lot more of them but they
  • 00:22:52
    managed to Hoodwink us again and again
  • 00:22:55
    and at the moment the main hoodwinker
  • 00:22:59
    is Donald Trump but not by much he what
  • 00:23:02
    how what percentage of the vote did he
  • 00:23:04
    get 55 56% or no it's not like huge so
  • 00:23:09
    the other half voted for somebody who's
  • 00:23:11
    equally evil kamla Harris just as evil
  • 00:23:16
    just as much a supporter of the great
  • 00:23:18
    neon mass that runs everything and that
  • 00:23:22
    is you know is that the um gang they
  • 00:23:28
    gang ERS and they're stealing everything
  • 00:23:31
    that you have and that your children and
  • 00:23:33
    your grandchildren have all day every
  • 00:23:36
    day while they smile at you and make
  • 00:23:39
    jokes like effing
  • 00:23:42
    musk what a prick and you you take a
  • 00:23:47
    [ __ ] like that
  • 00:23:49
    seriously I mean how do you feel I mean
  • 00:23:52
    musk is basically our shadow president
  • 00:23:55
    right now considering how much of his
  • 00:23:57
    own money he threw into the super pack
  • 00:23:59
    for Trump yeah it's
  • 00:24:01
    incredible maybe whatever many billions
  • 00:24:05
    he paid for Twitter was worth it because
  • 00:24:07
    enough people are dumb enough to believe
  • 00:24:09
    his
  • 00:24:11
    [ __ ] I mean I mean at first I
  • 00:24:14
    thought it was because he was so
  • 00:24:15
    desperate to be culturally relevant and
  • 00:24:17
    funny and be in the no because he really
  • 00:24:20
    wants to be that kind of edge Lord
  • 00:24:23
    meme guy but Roger at this point he's so
  • 00:24:27
    I think that there's a way more
  • 00:24:29
    Insidious plot here that we've seen
  • 00:24:32
    unfold I mean it coming to fruition
  • 00:24:35
    right before our eyes I mean that
  • 00:24:36
    lockdown on the narrative buying the
  • 00:24:39
    Public Square yeah seizing one of the
  • 00:24:42
    last bastions of of free Exchange in
  • 00:24:45
    information that was supposed to be this
  • 00:24:48
    egalitarian you know diverse place that
  • 00:24:50
    that the internet originated as so I
  • 00:24:52
    think this this whole um folding in of
  • 00:24:57
    The Joe Rogan audience The Alex Jones
  • 00:24:59
    audience Fox News and a SP space like
  • 00:25:02
    Twitter cannot be understated with that
  • 00:25:04
    power when you're making a big 10 and
  • 00:25:07
    everyone's in it that's right of Center
  • 00:25:09
    I mean it's the opposite of what
  • 00:25:10
    liberals have done yeah well the
  • 00:25:14
    monopolies I mean Joe Rogan bless him I
  • 00:25:17
    actually did his show once and I rather
  • 00:25:18
    liked it and we had a game with Paul and
  • 00:25:21
    you know he's he he made every
  • 00:25:22
    impression on me of being kind not
  • 00:25:25
    stupid and being almost a good old boy
  • 00:25:27
    I'm what I'm whatever but he sold out to
  • 00:25:31
    Spotify I mean literally there's quite a
  • 00:25:34
    good thing that I saw probably on Tik
  • 00:25:37
    Tok some of a woman saying have you seen
  • 00:25:38
    this great new restaurant oh it's
  • 00:25:41
    fantastic you can go in and for $5 five
  • 00:25:44
    you can have any meal that you want and
  • 00:25:46
    they're amazing meals and they're from
  • 00:25:47
    all over the world and they're all
  • 00:25:49
    cooked by the very best chef he said the
  • 00:25:51
    only problem is that the people who
  • 00:25:52
    create the food they they're very very
  • 00:25:55
    badly paid they don't get paid anything
  • 00:25:57
    and then of course the payoff is yeah
  • 00:26:00
    it's called
  • 00:26:01
    Spotify and it's yeah the the chefs get
  • 00:26:05
    pennies everyone just slays I'm one of
  • 00:26:09
    the they steal they've stolen all my M
  • 00:26:12
    they steal all the music if you're
  • 00:26:14
    Taylor Swift or Beyonce or something it
  • 00:26:16
    doesn't matter because you become so um
  • 00:26:20
    ticktock ified or whatever it is that
  • 00:26:23
    you get billions and billions of streams
  • 00:26:26
    for whatever but I mean I know people
  • 00:26:29
    who started bands and things and they
  • 00:26:30
    made a couple of albums and they sold a
  • 00:26:32
    few and they used to make a living now
  • 00:26:34
    they get a royalty check for 40 cents oh
  • 00:26:38
    my God I mean it just reminds me of I I
  • 00:26:40
    hate to bring up the Democrats again but
  • 00:26:42
    you brought up Beyonce and it's just the
  • 00:26:44
    most toned deaf strategy I mean to
  • 00:26:48
    really be robbing poor and workingclass
  • 00:26:51
    people to try to line your pockets to
  • 00:26:53
    feed this dog and pony show of electoral
  • 00:26:56
    politics this multi-billion
  • 00:26:58
    federal election Cycles while you are
  • 00:27:01
    paying Beyonce what $5,000 a minute I
  • 00:27:05
    mean that's highway robbery and you're
  • 00:27:09
    giving people's hard-earned wages to
  • 00:27:12
    Beyonce like I was shocked when I heard
  • 00:27:14
    that because I was like I thought
  • 00:27:15
    Beyonce was just endorsing you because
  • 00:27:17
    she was a Democrat like I didn't realize
  • 00:27:20
    you guys were actually paying her a
  • 00:27:22
    million dollars or whatever to speak at
  • 00:27:25
    your Rel it's
  • 00:27:26
    pathetic well she and JayZ have always
  • 00:27:29
    you know they've never tried to hide it
  • 00:27:32
    they've always just said we don't give a
  • 00:27:34
    [ __ ] about anything we just want money
  • 00:27:37
    and that's all we're interest if a bit
  • 00:27:39
    of Fame goes along with it great but
  • 00:27:42
    basically we do
  • 00:27:44
    anything anything they don't matter to
  • 00:27:47
    me what matters to me is my brothers and
  • 00:27:49
    sisters in Palestine and their children
  • 00:27:51
    being murdered by these swine
  • 00:27:56
    byis I really need
  • 00:27:58
    to talk about this next person I have
  • 00:28:01
    been a fan of radio head my whole life I
  • 00:28:03
    have never really criticized them openly
  • 00:28:06
    even though I've had my qualms with
  • 00:28:08
    their stance on Palestine for a while I
  • 00:28:11
    I can't hold back any longer Roger after
  • 00:28:13
    seeing what what Tom York did on stage
  • 00:28:16
    back in October this is a year into the
  • 00:28:19
    genocide he's going on stage for his
  • 00:28:22
    Encore of Karma Police and a pro
  • 00:28:24
    Palestine demonstrator yells out
  • 00:28:26
    something in the audience and his
  • 00:28:29
    reaction was so belligerent come up here
  • 00:28:33
    and say that
  • 00:28:37
    right say what you want to say don't
  • 00:28:40
    stand there like a coward come here and
  • 00:28:43
    say
  • 00:28:44
    [Applause]
  • 00:28:50
    [Music]
  • 00:28:53
    it come
  • 00:28:56
    on oh gosh
  • 00:29:00
    okay you do see you
  • 00:29:02
    later I mean it was just astounding that
  • 00:29:05
    you would let one person at a show a
  • 00:29:07
    massive concert throw you off and
  • 00:29:10
    actually
  • 00:29:11
    punish thousands of concert goers who
  • 00:29:14
    probably paid hundreds of dollars who
  • 00:29:16
    worship you who are there crying because
  • 00:29:20
    they love you so much would you ever do
  • 00:29:22
    something like that and what was your
  • 00:29:24
    response to
  • 00:29:25
    that well a a a Confessor wasn't a
  • 00:29:28
    surprise because as you may or may not
  • 00:29:30
    know you know I've had running I've had
  • 00:29:33
    a I had quite a good exchange of emails
  • 00:29:36
    with Tom York which it's from a few
  • 00:29:39
    years ago when I wrote to Tom York and
  • 00:29:42
    and made the case for um observing the
  • 00:29:47
    picket line and observing the cultural
  • 00:29:50
    boycott and not going when they were
  • 00:29:52
    going to go a few years ago to go and
  • 00:29:53
    play which they did and they went played
  • 00:29:56
    until and uh he sent me back a slightly
  • 00:29:59
    snide kind of answer you know be trying
  • 00:30:03
    to be
  • 00:30:03
    funny and clever and
  • 00:30:06
    whatever and um so so I wrote a reply
  • 00:30:11
    but I showed it to somebody who knows it
  • 00:30:13
    and and they said don't send that that
  • 00:30:16
    that'll go way over his head and also
  • 00:30:19
    it'll upset him because you're
  • 00:30:21
    suggesting that it might be the wrong
  • 00:30:24
    thing to do to cross the picket line and
  • 00:30:26
    that he's wrong and you're right about
  • 00:30:28
    something and he there's no way you need
  • 00:30:31
    to put on kid gloves and blah blah blah
  • 00:30:33
    blah so I did I wrote him a sort of sort
  • 00:30:36
    of email that went I'm sorry if you
  • 00:30:38
    thought I was being confrontational and
  • 00:30:40
    blah blah blah blah blah right and um he
  • 00:30:45
    wrote back and he said normally people
  • 00:30:48
    on the other side of an argument at
  • 00:30:50
    least have the decency or the grace or
  • 00:30:52
    the something to have a conversation so
  • 00:30:56
    then I wrote him back and I said Tom
  • 00:30:58
    we we the people in BBS would love to
  • 00:31:01
    have been trying to have a conversation
  • 00:31:03
    with you for months and so have I and we
  • 00:31:06
    would love to have a conversation at
  • 00:31:07
    some time so when you say that they
  • 00:31:09
    won't have a conversation that they just
  • 00:31:12
    throw [ __ ] at you from far away that is
  • 00:31:14
    not true it's a Porky pie my son people
  • 00:31:18
    have been trying to talk to you and you
  • 00:31:20
    will not speak to any of anyway the
  • 00:31:23
    exchange goes on quite a long time yeah
  • 00:31:26
    but how did it end that the guy's a
  • 00:31:29
    complete prick and he is obviously but I
  • 00:31:33
    think he's damaged he's very damaged you
  • 00:31:36
    know he's obviously very very deeply
  • 00:31:39
    insecure he's obviously thinks he's very
  • 00:31:42
    bright but he's not so he can't listen
  • 00:31:45
    to the voice of so he can't actually
  • 00:31:47
    have a conversation that's why he then
  • 00:31:50
    did an interview with rolling stone
  • 00:31:52
    where he accused
  • 00:31:53
    me and Ken Loach the Great British film
  • 00:31:57
    director and briano of being
  • 00:32:01
    cowards for
  • 00:32:04
    what I don't know you'd have to look at
  • 00:32:07
    you'll have to look at the exchange to
  • 00:32:09
    okay I now you have to send it to me
  • 00:32:11
    says BS and anybody who has anything to
  • 00:32:15
    do with BDS is cowardly and
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    shameful oh okay see this is amazing I
  • 00:32:23
    love I love when people twist and invert
  • 00:32:25
    reality because Johnny Greenwood um he's
  • 00:32:28
    married to an Israeli artist they
  • 00:32:30
    performed in Tel Aviv earlier this year
  • 00:32:34
    actually no Johnny Green had performed
  • 00:32:35
    in Tel this year you mentioned 2016
  • 00:32:37
    radio had performed I guess at this
  • 00:32:40
    point I thought that they would be a
  • 00:32:41
    little bit more sympathetic because
  • 00:32:43
    we're witnessing a genocide and the full
  • 00:32:45
    extermination and ethnic cleansing of
  • 00:32:48
    Northern Gaza but I guess that was too
  • 00:32:50
    much to hope for Roger because to your
  • 00:32:52
    point actually accusing people who
  • 00:32:53
    support BDS of being cowardly Johnny
  • 00:32:56
    Greenwood issued this bizarre frankly
  • 00:32:58
    bizarre statement back in June where he
  • 00:33:01
    said it's unprogressive actually to
  • 00:33:04
    support BDS to actually urge artists to
  • 00:33:07
    not work with each other that's very
  • 00:33:09
    unprogressive Roger and so no art is as
  • 00:33:12
    important as stopping the death and
  • 00:33:14
    suffering around us how could it be but
  • 00:33:16
    doing nothing seems a worse option so
  • 00:33:18
    Roger what does he say in solution to
  • 00:33:21
    doing nothing he says silencing Israeli
  • 00:33:23
    artists for being born Jewish in Israel
  • 00:33:25
    doesn't seem like a way to reach an
  • 00:33:27
    understanding between the two sides of
  • 00:33:29
    this apparently
  • 00:33:31
    endless
  • 00:33:33
    conflict so complete [ __ ] obviously
  • 00:33:38
    they have no there is no argument to be
  • 00:33:41
    made there is the oppressed and the
  • 00:33:43
    oppressor the oppressed of the
  • 00:33:45
    indigenous people of Palestine the
  • 00:33:46
    oppressor of the settler Colonial
  • 00:33:49
    visitors from North America and North
  • 00:33:52
    Europe that that's one thing okay the
  • 00:33:54
    oppressed are murdering the oppressors
  • 00:33:57
    are murdering all the oppress people so
  • 00:33:59
    they can steal their furniture and their
  • 00:34:02
    houses and their olive trees and their
  • 00:34:05
    Hills and their streams and their water
  • 00:34:08
    and their land and their Birthright
  • 00:34:11
    there is nothing difficult to understand
  • 00:34:14
    it is not a conflict it is a
  • 00:34:19
    genocide Tom and Johnny and you are
  • 00:34:23
    supporting it I'm so happy to see the
  • 00:34:27
    supporters of Celtic Football Club are
  • 00:34:30
    still running their campaigns to support
  • 00:34:33
    Palestine they've been there as long as
  • 00:34:35
    I have I love you you Celtic supporters
  • 00:34:38
    we must ban Israel from all
  • 00:34:40
    international soccer at Club level and
  • 00:34:43
    international level we must ban them
  • 00:34:45
    from Eurovision they should never have
  • 00:34:47
    been in Eurovision anyway Israel isn't
  • 00:34:49
    in Europe whatever what is all that
  • 00:34:52
    about that's complete nonsense but
  • 00:34:55
    Israel must be banned but it has to be
  • 00:34:57
    ABS it has to be sent to cantry it is a
  • 00:35:01
    rogue State and it is a murderous
  • 00:35:04
    genocidal Rogue State this is nothing
  • 00:35:06
    against Jews I've got nothing against J
  • 00:35:10
    Judaism I have nothing against Jewish
  • 00:35:12
    people at all I'm talking about the
  • 00:35:16
    genocidal Rogue state of Israel I mean
  • 00:35:19
    that's what's so particularly egregious
  • 00:35:22
    and offensive I think to anyone with a
  • 00:35:25
    brain Roger to be told that it's
  • 00:35:27
    actually Progressive to support the
  • 00:35:29
    cultural boycott of Israel and that
  • 00:35:31
    we're the idiots right we're the cowards
  • 00:35:34
    because what's really Progressive and
  • 00:35:36
    brave is just acting like yeah we could
  • 00:35:39
    just work with Israelis and just pretend
  • 00:35:40
    like oh this is just a seemingly endless
  • 00:35:42
    conflict Oh They'll be fighting forever
  • 00:35:44
    but we should just join up Kumbaya and
  • 00:35:47
    let's all just hold hands and pretend
  • 00:35:49
    like there's not an ethnic cleansing
  • 00:35:50
    campaign pretend Zionism is not
  • 00:35:53
    fundamentally a genocidal ideology and
  • 00:35:56
    next year Johnny Green word you and your
  • 00:35:58
    Israeli wife can go and buy a Seaside
  • 00:36:02
    apartment in gazer and live with the
  • 00:36:04
    other settlers there and good luck
  • 00:36:07
    getting to sleep
  • 00:36:12
    you can you imagine can you imagine I'm
  • 00:36:16
    doing a webinar where I'm going to meet
  • 00:36:19
    some of the protesters at Mill
  • 00:36:21
    University in Montreal okay and uh
  • 00:36:25
    because they are having a big fight with
  • 00:36:26
    theist bill iire there who gave $30
  • 00:36:29
    million to build some bit of Mill and
  • 00:36:32
    he's a raging Zionist anyway I sort of
  • 00:36:36
    attacked him a little bit because he's
  • 00:36:38
    trying to get the protesters thrown out
  • 00:36:40
    at the University there's this there's
  • 00:36:43
    this businessman he's given a lot of
  • 00:36:45
    money to mcel he's a businessman in in
  • 00:36:47
    Montreal and Canada he says as part of
  • 00:36:51
    his good work for the state of Israel
  • 00:36:54
    he's gonna put on a huge rock show
  • 00:36:58
    in bayeri which is one of the kib's
  • 00:37:02
    uh to to stand in solidarity with the
  • 00:37:07
    people from that kibos and he's gonna
  • 00:37:10
    get Pink Floyd to play the game oh
  • 00:37:13
    Edline the my God and and I I had to
  • 00:37:17
    respond to that and say oh my God a
  • 00:37:21
    that's a bit
  • 00:37:23
    unlikely but if I I was a large part in
  • 00:37:27
    creating the Goodwill in that name and
  • 00:37:31
    if anybody tried to do something like
  • 00:37:33
    that it would be Over My Dead Body I
  • 00:37:36
    might what do you think I mean is that
  • 00:37:39
    happening with the ex members it's only
  • 00:37:41
    it's only Gilmore and Nick I'm
  • 00:37:45
    absolutely you think he'd do it just to
  • 00:37:46
    spite you so crazy Gil's capable of
  • 00:37:49
    anything he
  • 00:37:51
    support with un unremittingly he's you
  • 00:37:55
    know he was want him and his wife were
  • 00:37:57
    putting out which is calling me a raging
  • 00:37:59
    anti-semite to the bottom of my I
  • 00:38:01
    remember that yeah I remember it too can
  • 00:38:04
    you imagine spending time and energy and
  • 00:38:07
    doing that it's just I mean I guess this
  • 00:38:08
    all brings me to just yeah where is
  • 00:38:11
    everyone else because for me I feel like
  • 00:38:15
    I can count the number of celebrities
  • 00:38:18
    including musicians of your caliber on
  • 00:38:22
    on both hands Roger of people who have
  • 00:38:24
    put their necks out and talked about
  • 00:38:28
    this over the last year at this point we
  • 00:38:30
    certainly cannot expect anyone more we
  • 00:38:33
    already know who's on the side of
  • 00:38:35
    Justice why I am so disappointed I mean
  • 00:38:39
    that's an understatement I feel like I
  • 00:38:41
    have just lost the last shred of respect
  • 00:38:44
    that I've had for people that I admired
  • 00:38:46
    my whole life I don't even know how to
  • 00:38:48
    move forward from here after what we've
  • 00:38:50
    witnessed and the
  • 00:38:53
    silence I don't know I'm I I can't I
  • 00:38:57
    can't can't really answer that I don't
  • 00:38:58
    want to start naming names and I we know
  • 00:39:02
    we know who we know who we're talking
  • 00:39:04
    about yeah we do we do
  • 00:39:07
    but uh I can only speak for myself I
  • 00:39:11
    know this sound it sounds like a cop out
  • 00:39:13
    but it really isn't I try and make
  • 00:39:15
    certain that every day I do something uh
  • 00:39:18
    and I remember that you know to stand by
  • 00:39:21
    silent and indifferent is the greatest
  • 00:39:23
    crime of all and I believe that and um
  • 00:39:27
    if it I will waste my breath trying to
  • 00:39:31
    convince people that they should not do
  • 00:39:34
    that but that is really just I I try and
  • 00:39:37
    speak with what I call the voice of
  • 00:39:39
    reason and it may be an Act of Faith but
  • 00:39:44
    I actually
  • 00:39:45
    believe that there is a moral compass
  • 00:39:48
    and that there is a difference between
  • 00:39:50
    right and wrong and sometimes it's not
  • 00:39:54
    always incredibly easy to delineate
  • 00:39:58
    right from wrong but in the case of the
  • 00:40:00
    genocide of the Palestinian people it's
  • 00:40:04
    so glaringly obvious that you don't even
  • 00:40:08
    have to think about it and and if you
  • 00:40:10
    even allow for the possibility that
  • 00:40:13
    there's a moral compass that we all
  • 00:40:15
    should pay respect to then you just you
  • 00:40:19
    have
  • 00:40:20
    to um you cannot be complicit in the
  • 00:40:24
    genocide of the Palestinian or any
  • 00:40:26
    genocide you just you can't it's wrong
  • 00:40:30
    there is right and there is wrong and to
  • 00:40:32
    do what you and I are doing is right and
  • 00:40:34
    to not do what you and I doing is wrong
  • 00:40:36
    and that's all there is Johnny Greenwood
  • 00:40:39
    and Tom effing York and David Gilmore
  • 00:40:43
    that's all there is to it you're wrong
  • 00:40:46
    you're doing the wrong thing how you
  • 00:40:49
    sleep at night I will never know how you
  • 00:40:52
    can sleep knowing that they're burning
  • 00:40:55
    babies that get and
  • 00:40:58
    killing them with sniper rifles shooting
  • 00:41:00
    them in the head and feeling good about
  • 00:41:03
    it because they feel that they're part
  • 00:41:05
    of some biblical
  • 00:41:07
    prophecy how do you sleep guys I don't
  • 00:41:11
    know so there is a moral compass Dr West
  • 00:41:14
    is right and so is jel Steen okay so and
  • 00:41:19
    we know it Abby and I know that and
  • 00:41:23
    billions of us know
  • 00:41:24
    it some people in the world part of
  • 00:41:27
    their religion I was beginning to read
  • 00:41:30
    The Works of confucious the other day
  • 00:41:33
    and confucious is quite clear about it
  • 00:41:37
    those quite clear about it they know
  • 00:41:40
    that this is wrong and they say so
  • 00:41:43
    unequivocably over and over again in
  • 00:41:45
    their writings actually weirdly enough
  • 00:41:48
    so did Jesus Christ the Bible's a bit
  • 00:41:51
    weird because it's got all that weird
  • 00:41:53
    stuff about Yahweh in it and
  • 00:41:55
    slaughtering your own children so to
  • 00:41:57
    make sure God knows that you love him
  • 00:42:00
    more than you love your
  • 00:42:03
    children mustard that's a terrible
  • 00:42:06
    religion God was a vengeful genocidal
  • 00:42:08
    Maniac yeah but there was also good
  • 00:42:12
    teachings about don't harm your neighbor
  • 00:42:15
    and
  • 00:42:16
    yours yeah yeah yeah that's exactly
  • 00:42:20
    right so some of it makes sense some of
  • 00:42:23
    it lies within the same Realm of the
  • 00:42:26
    kind of reason
  • 00:42:27
    that I would like you to listen to the
  • 00:42:29
    voice of it's the voice of reason that
  • 00:42:33
    we must pay attention to and you will
  • 00:42:35
    not hear it in the corridors of power in
  • 00:42:37
    Washington DC or
  • 00:42:40
    Westminster at all ever unless it's C
  • 00:42:44
    wetwood Kent standing up in Parliament
  • 00:42:46
    like he did last week saying exactly
  • 00:42:48
    what I'm saying now but he's one man out
  • 00:42:51
    of
  • 00:42:52
    600 so who knows where we go from here
  • 00:42:57
    maybe the maybe the voice of reason Abby
  • 00:43:00
    will spread through alternative media
  • 00:43:03
    which is what this is that is my hope
  • 00:43:07
    that is what I hope and uh if I thought
  • 00:43:10
    prayer did any good I would pray for it
  • 00:43:12
    too um I I am an atheist as you know and
  • 00:43:16
    I'm sure most people would know that now
  • 00:43:19
    so I'm not given really very much to
  • 00:43:23
    prayer but boy I pray the voice of
  • 00:43:25
    reason is heard that we the people
  • 00:43:28
    accept the idea of a moral compass and
  • 00:43:31
    that would mean that we have to observe
  • 00:43:34
    the 30gy articles of the universal
  • 00:43:37
    Declaration of Human Rights from the
  • 00:43:39
    10th of December Paris in 19
  • 00:43:44
    48 well thank God we have you as the
  • 00:43:47
    voice of reason shouting from the
  • 00:43:48
    rooftops Roger we can always count on
  • 00:43:50
    you your incredible soldout concerts I
  • 00:43:53
    recommend anyone who has not gone to a
  • 00:43:55
    live show of Roger Waters your missing
  • 00:43:57
    out baby you got to get tickets go see
  • 00:43:59
    them play are you going on tour soon no
  • 00:44:03
    but you're taking a big long needed
  • 00:44:04
    break no but yeah there's well there's
  • 00:44:07
    life in the old dog but I did the last
  • 00:44:09
    one was 22 and 23 the whole two years
  • 00:44:12
    long so 24 I've sort of taken a break
  • 00:44:15
    I'm making a new record uh will I ever
  • 00:44:18
    go to a long rock and roll s I'm no idea
  • 00:44:21
    I think I've got some gigs left in me so
  • 00:44:25
    I hope so because I do love it
  • 00:44:27
    I love my audience and and I love the
  • 00:44:31
    whole thing of of of playing music it is
  • 00:44:34
    kind of predictive anybody who's ever
  • 00:44:36
    started a garage band and uh spent hours
  • 00:44:40
    and hours with a few mates playing songs
  • 00:44:42
    and figuring out and for a tiny tiny
  • 00:44:45
    tiny very privileged
  • 00:44:48
    view um the stars fall in the right
  • 00:44:50
    direction and you get a chance to do it
  • 00:44:52
    for a living and that happened to me and
  • 00:44:55
    I'm so grateful for the opportunity
  • 00:44:57
    ities that I've had and I found that I
  • 00:45:00
    discovered a voice during that Journey
  • 00:45:03
    this PO Pilgrim's journey I discovered
  • 00:45:06
    the voice and and and i' I've I've
  • 00:45:10
    inherited part of the voice of reason so
  • 00:45:14
    I'm going to go on singing with the
  • 00:45:16
    choir for as long as I have a breath in
  • 00:45:18
    my body
  • 00:45:20
    [Music]
  • 00:45:29
    he
  • 00:45:30
    [Applause]
  • 00:45:36
    [Music]
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