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even a tiny bit of 19 Knorr are going to
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keep you shut down for months not just
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you know Oh two weeks and then I can
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start my PCT
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sup guys Derek more place where nice
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calm today I wanted to do a quick video
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on the fact that is commonly overlooked
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about suppressive compounds and the kind
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of illogical PCT practices that have
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been passed through the grapevine in
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this community for years and years as
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gospel but are in fact kind of
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ridiculous when you actually look at it
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further so basically in general it's
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going to take five half-lives for a
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compound to clear your system to a point
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where it is not suppressing your HP ta
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anymore and this is not even considering
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19 nor testosterone or its derivatives
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of that that are going to be suppressive
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even at miniscule dosages for months on
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end and at the end of the day the thing
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that you know people often talk about
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when they talk about oil time on time
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off this that the standard kind of
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approach that even a lot of guys that
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are experienced will take is they'll do
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you know like an offseason or they use
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like pretty heavy use to try and gain as
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much muscle as possible then they'll
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have a contest prep where they like
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really push the envelope and throw in
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the DHT derivatives they throw in the
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list they throwing than that they throw
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out in a diuretic they throw in the
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whatever they throw in like the kitchen
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sink of things at themselves to achieve
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a cosmetic dry look that would otherwise
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not be something you know that's worth
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pursuing in the offseason obviously
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where you're just trying to pursue
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contractile tissue gain so most people
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have the highest dosages they go from
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you know relatively moderate dosages you
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know whatever you consider moderate I
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guess it's going to differ
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person-to-person but anyway offseason
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like moderate use to starting contest
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perhaps and it starts to it's sort of
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getting a bit more aggressive towards
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the end we're more hardening agents are
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thrown in and things that increase
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oxidative stress things that inhibit
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estrogen receptors things that inhibit
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aromatization things are going to
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increase in neuro and cardiotoxins
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things that are just going to put a
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massive burden on your system in general
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and then most people they're going to
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have a three month to six month at most
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typically sore
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like clean-out where they stop
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everything and then get healthy again
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and it's like or like go natural is what
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they would just think they were doing
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but oftenly it's not the case the thing
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is is when people progress typically you
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you know if you have a guy who's not way
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too impatient he's going to start with
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something like testosterone only which
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is a very common first cycle which you
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are going to be able to start your PCT
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within a reasonable timeframe after
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discontinuation even if it's an athlete
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or sipping a tester but the thing people
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don't take into account is again five
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half-lives before you can even introduce
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terms that are going to make a
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difference in terms of stimulating and
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helping you restore your endogenous
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testosterone production so let's just
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say you follow the traditional bro model
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of Utes stop your you know whatever your
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testosterone and anthe and then two
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weeks later you start your PCT you're
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not going to be at a point if you were
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just on five hundred Meg's of tests
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where two weeks later you're ready for
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those drugs to be introduced into your
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system to make a difference like you
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have to wait for the hormone to fully
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clear at least an amount that is going
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to not like you have to consider the
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fact here that even small dosages of
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steroids regardless it like if you've
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seen those clinical studies where you're
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having like injecting 25 to 50
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milligrams of testosterone and people
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are losing muscle versus the dose
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response of 125 300 and 600 milligrams
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those guys gain muscle the reason for
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that is because you only produce a
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certain amount of testosterone and even
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if you're injecting an exogenous source
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but it's like the same amount you
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naturally produce or like slightly that
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less than that you're still going to
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shut down your HP ta so you can actually
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end up injecting less testosterone that
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you would have otherwise naturally
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produced so this is why in that dose
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response study you have people who are
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having a negative you know response
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muscle tissue wise to exogenous
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testosterone use because you're going to
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get the same level of shutdown above and
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beyond the threshold tiny amount of
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testosterone that shuts you down
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regardless of what your dosages above
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that so this is what you have to
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consider is even until you get to that
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amount where you've cleared enough
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hormone on your system that it's no
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longer
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oppressive nothing you do PCT wise is
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going to make a difference and you're
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just adding layers of oxidative stress
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to your body for no reason whatsoever so
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you have a lot of guys starting their
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PCT two weeks later when they're not
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ready to so they're throwing drugs at
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themselves and it's not helping and then
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you know they take all I did my PCT you
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know two weeks off then I do like a
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three to four week PCT and then I take
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like four weeks off and then I'm hopping
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back on again it's like reality in
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reality even if you just did
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testosterone Ananth ain't only you're
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barely in a position where you've you
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know like actually started to recover
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properly it's going to be a lot quicker
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than these other you know drug
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combinations is that people are going to
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be doing after their first cycle which
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I'm going to delve into now but I'm just
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saying even in that context most people
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aren't giving themselves an opportunity
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to recover properly and it takes longer
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for these hormones to clear than most
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assume and you have to keep in mind to
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most people aren't using short esters
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they're using long esters which there's
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nothing wrong with long esters but you
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have to understand the pharmacokinetics
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here and the fact that it's going to
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take longer to clear your system for
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those five half-lives to finish and for
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you to reach a level whereby you can
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even think about trying to enhance
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endogenous androgen production or you
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know support it I should say or even if
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you weren't doing a PCT for your body to
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you know kick-start and start doing in
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itself which is regardless ultimately
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what you're waiting for at the end of
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the day so people starting their PCTs
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within you know like 7 to 14 days it
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just like is nonsensical in almost all
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situations when you're using long esters
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and then you get into the situation
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where most guys on their second or third
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cycle are so gonna start looking at 19
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NORs you have guys using trend Bologna
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in their teens now it's insane and you
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have people using deca very early the
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thing you have to consider with these
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drugs is they're suppressive at dosages
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much lower than testosterone or DHT
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derivatives you're going to stay
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suppressed far longer after taking deca
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than you are
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testosterone only so or you know
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testosterone plus per vine or something
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like that so if you take nandrolone too
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can await if you actually look at the
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charting showing the pharmacokinetics as
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well as showing the endogenous
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testosterone levels
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in response to even just like one shot
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of deca deca takes around 20 weeks to
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even start recovering natural and
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doggedness production and the same would
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apply for you know like a 19 nor like
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trend alone and that's decant away like
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even if he have phenol propionate you're
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still you know the the clearance time
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between the actual ester you know sure
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it's it's lower but the actual amount of
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suppressive hormone in the body even a
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tiny bit of 19 Knorr are going to keep
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you shut down for months not just you
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know o
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two weeks and then I can start my PCT
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like if you take trend bolon and ante or
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you take nandrolone decant weight which
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is something a lot or trainees or
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whatever this is something a lot of
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people do let's just go with long esters
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assuming for now because that's you know
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typically the approach most people take
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let's say you take your two weeks off
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after then you start which a lot of
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people coming off contest perhaps are
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gonna be heavy using trend below nor
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people coming off their you know most
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people are gonna bulk in the winter and
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and cut in the summer which is often
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going to involve either deca in the
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winter or trend blown in the summer
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regardless of your competing or not
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everyone's doing this that is like like
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hardcore about like juicing their brains
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out right now including teens who are
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like just getting into this and are half
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as readily using trend bolon already
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within like their first couple cycles
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anyways so like once you take your you
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know your bro science like two weeks off
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now you're at a point where you think
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you can start your PCT but when reality
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your body is not even ready to start
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it's still suppressed there's still
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suppressive amounts of hormones in your
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body that are not going to regardless of
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what you do you're not going to recover
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you can try and artificially stimulate
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whatever you want you can throw sermons
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at it you can do whatever you want it's
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not going to make a difference until
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you've allowed your body to clear the
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hormone of your system to a point where
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it's no longer suppressing your HP ta so
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the fact is most people are actually
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just blasting and cruising and thinking
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they're cycling even if they're cycling
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maybe you have a lot of guys that do
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blasting crew is like pretty early now
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that's like a very very common go-to now
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as people are like you know what look I
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don't want to deal with like two steps
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forward one step back I wanted to do
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three steps forward like every single
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time so they'll go to like blasting and
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cruising at like 20 21 years old now
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which you know
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not to judge because who the [ __ ] am I
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to judge in that scenario when you've
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seen you know my kind of content and my
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history and whatnot by it at the end of
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the day and it mine wasn't as bad as
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that but I'm just saying like you know
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in general from an experimental context
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like there's I've done dumb things in my
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past which is largely why I'm talking
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about this stuff so anyways you have
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people are like blasting cruisin in
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their 20s now and even if they're
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cycling the thing is is most people who
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were cycling no one's just doing like
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test only really no one's really doing
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things that are not going to suppress
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them and even if they're doing they're
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usually doing long Esther's and so if
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you're using like a nineteen noir or
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something like that and you take your
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two weeks off and you start your PCT
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you're not you're just like further
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damaging your body basically because
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you're throwing things trying to like
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kickstart stuff that's not ready to
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start it's not going to start like
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whatever you do you can try and push it
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artificially as much as you want until
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that stuff is clear to the point where
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it's not having that negative feedback
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with your HP ta anymore you're not gonna
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get the recovery so in reality most
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people that are cycling and tell them
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tell you they're you know being
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responsible and like coming off the gear
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like fully it's like they're probably
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they're technically blasting and
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cruising just to like a different level
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than they you know would think because
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they have much less hormone in their
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system and somebody who's cruising but
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it's still you know a same level of
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stress to some extent whereby it's not
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you know if you're like hyper gonadal
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it's not a healthy thing either so
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anyways the takeaway from all this is
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basically just understand the
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pharmacokinetics of whatever you're
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gonna be using and also understand that
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it's probably not wise to delve into 19
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oars until you're prepared to deal with
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the very high likelihood of lifelong HRT
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in my opinion because these things are
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so suppressive that I think it's pretty
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unlikely that you're going to actually
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restore adequate function in a timeframe
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that would you know like most people
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aren't going to do time on time off or
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like time on and then wait for full
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clear and stuff like a nandrolone to
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can't wait or a trend below in an
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athlete because they're gonna be
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suppressed for so damn long that no one
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wants to wait that long who's doing this
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stuff for bodybuilding purposes and is
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you know using these compounds to begin
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with
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so in the takeaway from that is
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basically you know be wary of the risks
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before you delve into very very heavily
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suppressive compounds like that and even
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if you're just using you know
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testosterone and DHT derivatives that
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aren't this harsh on it be aware of the
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ester you're using the clearance time
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how long it takes for five half-lives
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and what you know what is going to be
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residually left that could be
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suppressing you still before you start
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throwing drugs at your system because
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you may just be stressing your body
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unnecessarily for no reason or you may
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be thinking or you're cleaning out when
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in reality you're still in a heavily
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compromised state just because you
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haven't considered the fact that these
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things are still in your system for much
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longer than somebody would have
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otherwise led you to believe on a forum
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that tells you that two weeks is somehow
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the magical predetermined time frame
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that clears all these hormones from your
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system to a point that are no longer
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suppressive which is not the case so
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