#30 Economics | H.H.Al Sayyid Dr. Adham bin Turki Al Said | dome_podcast

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Résumé

TLDRPodkastens vert, Hatim Alabdisalam, intervjuer Dr. Adam bin Turki, en økonomiprofessor, om betydningen av nasjonale visjoner for økonomisk utvikling, med fokus på Omans Visjon 2040. De diskuterer hvordan økonomi og sosial fremgang er tett koblet, og hvordan nasjoner må navigere endringer og justere strategier for å oppnå sine mål. Dr. Adam forklarer også grunnleggende økonomiske begreper som inflasjon, økonomisk vekst og arbeidsledighet. Det blir også påpekt hvordan offentlig finans og nasjonale budsjetter spiller en kritisk rolle i å realisere visjoner, spesielt når det kommer til håndtering av nasjonal gjeld og offentlige utgifter. Gjennom samtalen understrekes viktigheten av fleksibilitet og inkludering av samfunnet i utformingen og gjennomføringen av langsiktige mål.

A retenir

  • 📈 Økonomi handler om beslutninger og valg.
  • 🏢 Visjoner gir en retning for nasjonal utvikling.
  • 🛠️ Fleksibilitet er avgjørende for tilpasning til endringer.
  • 🗣️ Offentlig engasjement er viktig for visjoners suksess.
  • 🏛️ Offentlig finans påvirker statens evne til å realisere mål.
  • 💸 Inflasjon påvirker kjøpekraft og økonomisk helse.
  • 🌐 Globalisering skaper gjensidig avhengighet mellom nasjoner.
  • ⏳ Økonomisk vekst er en indikator på velstandsutvikling.
  • 👔 Arbeidsledighet er en sentral økonomisk utfordring.
  • 🌍 Kriser kan endre nasjonale strategiske prioriteringer.

Chronologie

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The episode begins with a discussion on how people often end up in careers different from their field of study, and how visions are communicated dryly. Inflation is explained as rising costs of goods over time, and the conversation touches on infrastructural comparisons between countries and public understanding of national visions.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Host welcomes guest Dr. Adam Bin Turkey, an economist, to the podcast for an episode focused on economics. They start with the importance of a nation's vision, specifically Oman's Vision 2040, and discuss how such visions are determined and implemented.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Dr. Adam explains to the listeners that economics might seem non-vital to students, but it's crucial to understand how it affects decisions at many levels. Economics is laid out as a decision-making science, stressing how our choices, whether individual or collective, are central to economics.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    The conversation delves into the historical progression of Oman and other nations' economic planning, noting past reliance on short-term plans. These plans were aimed at wealth creation through various economy types like agriculture and industrialization, emphasizing capital value at earlier times.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Moving to modern economic thinking, Dr. Adam highlights how countries use visions to plan long-term, citing development plans since the 70s in Oman. These plans were initially short-term but have evolved, emphasizing a necessity for strategies like Vision 2040 to steer national growth purposefully.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Vision 2020's objectives were reducing hydrocarbon dependence and boosting private sector dynamism. Oman aligned its plans with the vision, but reliance on government spending showed unsustainability. The upcoming 2040 vision targets this, requiring evaluations and adaptations for shifting dynamics.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Dr. Adam and Hatim explore how visions adapt to changes, stressing vision flexibility over rigidity. Oman’s Vision 2040 priorities reflect consensus, aiming to place Oman among advanced economies. Elements include governance, environment, private sector involvement, and fostering a knowledge-based economy.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    The conversation covers the public's understanding of national visions. Though individuals focus on personal economic situations, visions can seem abstract without clear communication. People tend to connect visions to tangible improvements, like income and living standards, which can be misunderstood.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    Discussion shifts to economics as more than theories, involving numbers and key indicators like GDP, inflation, and unemployment rates. GDP is analogous to groceries where quantity and price matter to overall spending; similarly, economies gauge success through growing domestic production, adjusted for inflation effects.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    Inflation is further explained as a measure beyond transient price changes (e.g., tomatoes) and seeks consistent average basket price increases indicating true inflationary trends over time. Supply-demand imbalances, impacted by global crises like COVID-19, deeply affect inflation and general living costs.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:55:00

    Response to inflation involves shifts in consumer spending priorities, with potential impacts on lower-income households most reliant on essentials. The dialogue elaborates on subsidies' role in Oman to manage inflation impact on standards of living, pondering accountability and public finance strategies.

  • 00:55:00 - 01:00:00

    Unemployment, public finance, and debt management are explored, with unemployment defined in terms of active job seeking. Discussions pivot to budgeting in public finance, contrasting spending against income, from local challenges up to managing national debt in an international financial ecosystem.

  • 01:00:00 - 01:05:00

    The latter part of the discussion describes Oman's debt profile, managing deficits through loans, bonds, or reserve drawdowns. There's emphasis on sustainable borrowing amid fluctuating revenue streams, primarily hydrocarbon-related, ensuring long-term fiscal stability amidst complex global economic ties.

  • 01:05:00 - 01:11:32

    Dr. Adam concludes with insights into balancing economic choices realistically, between need-driven and development-driven spending, acknowledging individuals' roles in this broad economic landscape. The episode wraps up with gratitude and hopes for insightful viewer takeaways on economic understanding.

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Questions fréquemment posées

  • Hva er inflasjon?

    Inflasjon er når det koster mer i gjennomsnitt å kjøpe de samme varene sammenlignet med en tidligere periode.

  • Hva handler Omans Visjon 2040 om?

    Omans Visjon 2040 handler om å forbedre økonomien, redusere avhengigheten av hydrokarboner, utvikle privat sektor og involvere flere borgere i arbeidsstyrken.

  • Hvordan påvirker økonomiske kriser nasjonale visjoner?

    Økonomiske kriser kan kreve at nasjoner må justere sine mål og strategier i nasjonale visjoner.

  • Hvordan påvirker individuelle beslutninger økonomien?

    Individuelle beslutninger påvirker økonomien ved å bestemme hvordan ressurser brukes og hvilke produkter og tjenester som etterspørres.

  • Er visjoner faste eller kan de endres?

    Visjoner er fleksible og kan endres for å tilpasse seg nye omstendigheter eller globale økonomiske endringer.

  • Hva er offentlig finans?

    Offentlig finans refererer til hvordan staten styrer sine inntekter og utgifter, inkludert skatt, lån og utgifter.

  • Hvorfor er det viktig å ha en nasjonal visjon?

    Det gir retning for fremtidig økonomisk, sosial og politisk utvikling, og hjelper til med å koordinere innsats mot felles mål.

  • Hva betyr økonomisk vekst?

    Økonomisk vekst refererer til en økning i produksjonen av varer og tjenester i en økonomi over tid.

  • Hvordan kan enkeltpersoner relatere seg til en nasjonal visjon?

    Enkeltpersoner kan relatere seg ved å forstå hvordan nasjonale mål påvirker deres liv og muligheter, og ved å aktivt delta i samfunnet.

  • Hvordan påvirker globalisering økonomier?

    Globalisering skaper gjensidig avhengighet mellom land, som kan føre til både fordeler og utfordringer i handelsbalansen.

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    and the majority of us we graduate in an
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    area and then we end up doing something
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    else Visions are often communicated in a
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    very dry way you you focus more on what
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    you need than what you want inflation
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    very simply is
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    it costs you more on average to buy the
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    same Goods compared to a previous period
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    you look at the neighboring countries
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    and you see all these skyscrapers and
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    you say oh they have a very strong
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    economy that we will double the standard
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    of living
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    people say what do you mean is it going
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    to change my income is it going to add
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    more money in my pocket do you think the
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    General Public
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    understand the vision what do you want
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    to be
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    in 20 years from now where are you now
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    and how are you going to get there are
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    you in a in a position to change some of
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    the aspects or the goals in your vision
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    [Music]
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    dear brothers and sisters welcome to
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    dome podcast and I'm your host hatim
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    alabdisalam and today we have an
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    honorable guest Our Guest Is His
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    Highness assayed Dr Adam bin turkey I'll
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    say
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    how are you today welcome to dome
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    podcast thank you very much for having
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    me Dr Adam is an assistant professor of
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    Economics at Solvang couples University
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    and is he is also the co-founder of the
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    firm for business and economic
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    Consulting welcome Victor again to the
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    show and today we're gonna talk about a
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    very interesting topic which is
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    economics I believe that economics is
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    very important to everybody and for the
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    young people and college students as
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    well the one you're teaching economics
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    is a vital part of their lives and it's
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    important to understand some of the
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    aspects of it so we're going to start
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    off by talking about the vision yeah the
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    vision of a man is 2040 but
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    why this why is it important for a
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    nation to have a vision and how is the
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    term
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    I mean the period of the vision is
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    determined some Nations they have 10
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    years Vision five years Vision 30 years
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    Vision how is that determined and how do
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    we implement the vision so how to move
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    us a very important question about
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    visions and how we design them and their
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    purpose but let me go back a little bit
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    to the comment you said about how
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    students perceive economics and I think
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    most of them would probably disagree
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    with you that it is not vital in any way
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    except for them to complete their degree
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    however I do try in many ways to bring
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    them closer to the concepts and why they
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    really matter and how they might affect
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    our lives some of these concepts are
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    obviously abstract in many ways but most
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    of the time if one is successful the
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    appreciation of it
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    what is economics economics is a
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    behavioral science meaning it affects us
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    as individuals as organizations as
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    governments as countries as the world
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    itself the globe and most of what we
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    look at in economics is how do our
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    decisions get made why do we choose a
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    versus B and that's really economics 101
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    as complex as people think it is it's
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    really all about decisions collectively
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    or individually and this brings us to
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    the discussion about visions
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    when we think of countries on a timeline
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    countries generally are thought of as
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    decades rather than simply one year
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    after another or five years
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    and
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    to a to be able to operate
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    any economy you either do it blindly as
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    we'd say in Arabic yes and make
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    decisions on the go and maybe that was
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    the the past Nations they used to do
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    that they didn't have a vision they just
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    go based on what they have and they're
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    but they're guiding principles yeah so
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    if you think of back in the day when you
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    had say any type of economy the ultimate
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    goal was to create as much wealth as
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    possible yes aggregarian economies that
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    depend on agriculture and fishing
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    usually meant that you are able to
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    sustain yourself so much of the effort
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    went into that
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    industrial economies
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    ended up having capitalists or some sort
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    of capital owners that invested created
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    value through that investment and
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    workers started not to work for
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    themselves but for others so the guilds
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    blended into Factory workers and sort of
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    producers of goods and services but not
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    necessarily for themselves for others
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    so scaling up your cobbler your Baker's
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    job into mass production
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    and as that progressed the economics
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    Dynamics had to change the way we think
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    about trade had to change trade was
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    always thought of for example as a
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    win-lose situation mercantilism
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    uh the sort of the Machiavellian
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    approach I can only be better off by
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    reducing your wealth and your income
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    because that comes to me later on we've
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    seen that move into the win-win
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    situation and the idea of trade benefits
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    everyone that's the idea of
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    specialization Adam Smith and really
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    that's where economics today builds a
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    lot of the understanding that we need
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    each other there is interdependence and
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    hence globalization was a big thing in
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    the last few decades yes then we
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    realized that some of those benefits may
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    be more one-sided
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    rather than completely equitable
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    so Visions come into this whole story by
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    countries trying to position themselves
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    and societies into how do we benefit
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    from this whole story of production uh
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    Social Development Economic Development
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    and even political development for a
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    country like Amman the story of
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    development started in the 70s at least
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    if we think of the Contemporary era and
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    with the village
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    coming into
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    power at the time there was a necessity
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    to lift a man from where it was to where
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    it is today
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    so in 76 a man endeavored on his first
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    development plans and many countries at
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    that time were looking at these
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    five-year development plans and that's
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    what we remember from the days of school
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    we used to hear The Five-Year Plan
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    absolutely and these five-year plans
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    really were the way
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    governments organized themselves into
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    setting agendas and strategies on what
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    is needed so that's five-year plans
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    really uh in in hindsight look a bit
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    short-sighted today because we're
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    looking at Future decades into the
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    future today when we think of things
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    like climate change and the effects of
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    how AI might affect us
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    but many of these organizations whether
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    they were in the Communist era within
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    the capitalist era more so in the
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    planned economies
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    um Collective economies the planning
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    where the state was very heavily
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    involved
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    where there's a lot of development
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    needed infrastructure development for
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    the betterment of the whole economy so
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    government led the role put out these
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    plans on what is going to happen in the
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    next five years how I'm going to spend
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    my any income I have whether it's from
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    selling hydrocarbons or taxation or fees
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    whatever source of income and what are
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    the ultimate goals development of
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    private sector for example by engaging
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    them into these projects creating job
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    opportunities developing infrastructure
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    that
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    supports all of these economic
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    activities
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    in oman's Story by 1990 early 90s we
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    realized that is not sufficient anymore
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    you mean The Five-Year Plan Five-Year
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    Plan so they're ongoing and they acted
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    as your medium term planning tool but we
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    needed a bit of a purpose if you like
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    where are we going
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    so the development of the first Vision
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    in Oman Vision 2020 and ironically at
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    the time Vision 2020 also applies
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    Clarity in the vision so in 1995 after
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    much deliberation at the technical level
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    and a national Symposium at that time at
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    a much smaller scale compared today
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    developed a document that basically
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    looked at how would Emma look like in
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    2020
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    what do we want and that was a key
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    question with visions often we think of
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    businesses vision is we are going to be
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    this or that so countries today might
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    choose to be leaders in a specific type
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    of Industry leaders in a specific type
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    of economy very open Dynamic Talent
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    creating
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    there are multiple options there is no
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    unique proposition that all countries
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    must follow through so back then a man
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    was very focused on producing its
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    dependence on hydrocarbons
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    creating a dynamic private sector
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    um creating more involvement for
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    Nationals in the workforce which are
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    ultimately the same goals we still seek
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    today
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    how well we've achieved those goals are
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    not 3D dependent on what plans did we
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    need to have in place
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    in cycles of five years to focus on
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    different elements and what tools did we
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    use to improve exactly and goals much of
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    what we've seen in that period for a man
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    at least was the alignment of the
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    five-year plans to the overall vision
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    but the challenge was always how to get
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    your accounting mind mindset into an
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    economic development mindset yes it it's
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    very easy for governments anywhere in
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    the world
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    to think how much can I spend
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    and how much revenue do I make that will
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    support that spending that's the
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    accounting mindset that's the Public
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    Finance mindset the development mindset
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    is based on what kind of outcomes am I
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    going to get some of them are intangible
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    and some of them are very tangible so if
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    I'm going to spend more on education and
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    and also setting the priorities right
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    their priorities back then the
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    priorities were
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    I wouldn't say simpler but less complex
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    so
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    we've achieved some of the targets that
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    we wanted for vision 2020 like improving
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    the standard of living which is often
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    measured by average income overall in
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    the economy and we'll talk more about
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    that a bit later but that Improvement
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    meant that our spending capability our
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    purchasing power in the local economy
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    has improved but what we've noticed at
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    that period much of that was driven by
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    government employment
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    that meant that although we improved
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    standard of living it was highly
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    connected to government spending
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    government jobs and later on to how much
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    revenue can the government generate so
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    that model was not sustainable
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    so in the 2000s
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    once we got closer to 2020 it was
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    necessary not only just to evaluate the
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    progress which I must say in some areas
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    it was good in some areas it was lacking
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    it was a bit of a challenge we had a few
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    crises along the way in the 90s and then
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    those are also Global crisis Global
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    crisis what Global crises do to your
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    Visions is them give them a good shake
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    up where your objectives will have to be
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    realigned and readjusted those
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    mechanisms were not in place
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    the engagement so that brought us up to
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    the early 2000s and I'd say in the teen
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    years where it was necessary to revisit
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    our vision again
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    I'm sorry I will interrupt you in terms
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    of the the goals that you set in the
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    vision sometimes changes happen because
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    you you took us through the the gradual
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    change in the the economy yeah from
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    agriculture to Industrial and so on and
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    uh
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    are you in a in a position to change
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    some of the aspects or the goals in Your
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    Vision based on the global changes or is
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    it fixed now for example now we have the
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    2040 vision and we already have the
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    elements absolutely yeah but things do
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    change maybe the priorities the economy
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    the global economy is going to change so
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    are we in a position to change or to you
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    know adjust the the vision absolutely I
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    think one of the critical things is
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    Visions are subject to change
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    and if they're not then you've got a
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    rigid Vision that does not suit the
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    times if we've been planning Visions in
  • 00:12:55
    our part of the world for at least two
  • 00:12:58
    decades ahead
  • 00:12:59
    which means we're looking 20 years into
  • 00:13:01
    the future yes and you know we you do
  • 00:13:03
    this strategy kind of approach what do
  • 00:13:06
    you want to be in 20 years from now
  • 00:13:08
    where are you now and how are you going
  • 00:13:10
    to get there
  • 00:13:11
    so in a man's experience in visioning
  • 00:13:15
    for 2040 it started in about 2016 or so
  • 00:13:18
    where we're 15 or before where I was
  • 00:13:22
    fortunate to be engaged earlier on with
  • 00:13:24
    a group of people into how would we
  • 00:13:27
    Vision before talking about the vision
  • 00:13:29
    and one should be mindful that Visions
  • 00:13:32
    are really high level
  • 00:13:34
    we should be careful not to set too many
  • 00:13:36
    targets and Visions because those will
  • 00:13:38
    quickly go Wayward because as you've
  • 00:13:40
    correctly pointed out changes are going
  • 00:13:42
    to happen
  • 00:13:43
    so in the process of the visioning which
  • 00:13:46
    involved thousands of Armani's and
  • 00:13:48
    residents in our man
  • 00:13:50
    youth elderly middle age young people
  • 00:13:54
    into what do we want that was the first
  • 00:13:56
    question
  • 00:13:57
    so you know everyone had a lot of
  • 00:14:00
    perspectives and a lot of Demands of
  • 00:14:02
    what this Vision should be but
  • 00:14:03
    ultimately for a man that boiled down to
  • 00:14:07
    12 National priorities and this is where
  • 00:14:09
    I come back to the point you've
  • 00:14:10
    mentioned about priorities so if you're
  • 00:14:12
    going to have a vision for your country
  • 00:14:13
    whatever that vision is a man is going
  • 00:14:15
    to be amongst the advanced economies in
  • 00:14:18
    the world and that's the slogan that we
  • 00:14:19
    have
  • 00:14:20
    what does it mean to be amongst
  • 00:14:22
    do you want to be number one that's a
  • 00:14:24
    broad statement exactly so the 12
  • 00:14:27
    priorities came to Anchor those
  • 00:14:30
    expectations what do we want for
  • 00:14:33
    um our governance as a government as a
  • 00:14:36
    service provider as a planner as a
  • 00:14:40
    social protector if you like all of
  • 00:14:42
    these elements meant that there were
  • 00:14:44
    some elements required of the
  • 00:14:45
    institutions so governance became very
  • 00:14:48
    important what do we want for our
  • 00:14:49
    environment sustainability became an
  • 00:14:52
    important element what do we want for a
  • 00:14:54
    private sector further participation
  • 00:14:57
    obviously there are numbers put out
  • 00:14:58
    there but I'm wary of numbers because
  • 00:15:00
    change means those numbers would have to
  • 00:15:02
    adjust and they will adjust yes what do
  • 00:15:04
    you want for a labor market what do we
  • 00:15:06
    want for Education our health
  • 00:15:08
    so those 12 priorities which are
  • 00:15:11
    National consensus and it isn't simply
  • 00:15:13
    because a decision maker decided or an
  • 00:15:16
    academic or a technical person or an
  • 00:15:18
    economist or a social scientist decided
  • 00:15:20
    this is how it should be
  • 00:15:21
    there are strategic directions which
  • 00:15:24
    means what that this is what we want
  • 00:15:27
    um we've got four pillars in Oman
  • 00:15:29
    institutions the environment people and
  • 00:15:32
    society and the economy the economy gets
  • 00:15:36
    the Lion's Share of these priorities
  • 00:15:37
    because it's interacting with all of the
  • 00:15:39
    other ones so from the 12 there's about
  • 00:15:41
    60 percent of them involved in labor
  • 00:15:44
    market foreign direct investment uh
  • 00:15:47
    trade all of these aspects why they're
  • 00:15:51
    critical because under them there are a
  • 00:15:53
    number of strategic goals and these are
  • 00:15:55
    open-ended in some ways we're going to
  • 00:15:58
    better manage our environment
  • 00:15:59
    our use of Natural Resources is going to
  • 00:16:02
    be more balanced
  • 00:16:04
    these need to be open-ended because from
  • 00:16:06
    when we've set the vision and launched
  • 00:16:09
    it his Majesty's
  • 00:16:11
    in 2020 approved the launch of the the
  • 00:16:17
    vision itself and the adoption of it
  • 00:16:19
    we needed to have Direction
  • 00:16:22
    is Oman going to continue using
  • 00:16:23
    hydrocarbons for energy for example
  • 00:16:25
    within the vision there were targets set
  • 00:16:28
    for about 40 percent of our energy in
  • 00:16:31
    our mind when we produce from Renewables
  • 00:16:33
    by when 2014 inshallah how are we going
  • 00:16:36
    to do that are we going to use solar are
  • 00:16:38
    we going to use wind are we going to use
  • 00:16:40
    we have an alternative
  • 00:16:42
    what comes after are policies that
  • 00:16:45
    support those National priorities and
  • 00:16:47
    strategic Direction
  • 00:16:49
    if the change today as it is today the
  • 00:16:51
    Tilt towards green hydrogen as a source
  • 00:16:54
    of energy in the next 20 years that's
  • 00:16:56
    what Herman's positioning itself
  • 00:16:58
    let's say 10 years down the road green
  • 00:17:00
    hydrogen is viable but there are other
  • 00:17:02
    new technologies at amankan that
  • 00:17:05
    flexibility is there is there and that
  • 00:17:08
    gets applied in those five-year plans
  • 00:17:10
    so what we've seen in the five-year
  • 00:17:12
    plans today
  • 00:17:13
    is the 10th plan is focusing on the
  • 00:17:16
    pillars of the vision itself and mapping
  • 00:17:20
    many of the programs many of the
  • 00:17:22
    projects not just physically building
  • 00:17:23
    things projects to improve education in
  • 00:17:27
    the science and math for example
  • 00:17:29
    uh projects to improve access to
  • 00:17:31
    Universal Health uh Financial inclusion
  • 00:17:34
    these are all Cod projects but not
  • 00:17:37
    physically projects they're projects to
  • 00:17:39
    access electronic payments all feedback
  • 00:17:41
    into the ultimate goal a society that is
  • 00:17:44
    creative a society that is innovative a
  • 00:17:46
    society that is able to generate more
  • 00:17:49
    knowledge be a knowledge-based economy
  • 00:17:51
    Etc so the Visions are really what you
  • 00:17:54
    want to do you set yourself a goal but a
  • 00:17:56
    very long-term goal but the path to it
  • 00:17:59
    isn't a straight line we find for many
  • 00:18:01
    countries including Aman you have to
  • 00:18:03
    navigate those changes the ups and a
  • 00:18:06
    pandemic through a wrench into their
  • 00:18:08
    whole works nobody expected it nobody
  • 00:18:10
    expected but what it taught us is how do
  • 00:18:13
    we manage such crises
  • 00:18:15
    do we have the systems do we have the
  • 00:18:18
    social safety nets do we have the right
  • 00:18:21
    support
  • 00:18:22
    do we are we able to manage it not just
  • 00:18:25
    as governments as individuals are we
  • 00:18:27
    able to leverage on the lessons learned
  • 00:18:30
    Visions don't give you those answers the
  • 00:18:32
    Visions remind you that once you've
  • 00:18:34
    tripped and got up again hang on that is
  • 00:18:38
    still the right direction we're headed
  • 00:18:39
    to but now we need to think differently
  • 00:18:41
    about it
  • 00:18:43
    now Dr Adam do you think the General
  • 00:18:47
    Public
  • 00:18:48
    understand the vision
  • 00:18:51
    or they can comprehend with what is
  • 00:18:53
    going on
  • 00:18:54
    I think one of the things that all of us
  • 00:18:57
    as Citizens
  • 00:18:59
    is we're a bit detached
  • 00:19:02
    from the general sort of
  • 00:19:06
    government dialogue because we tend to
  • 00:19:09
    be consumed in our own lives yes we're
  • 00:19:11
    very concerned with waking up going to
  • 00:19:14
    our university schools and jobs earning
  • 00:19:17
    a living you know spending all of those
  • 00:19:21
    things that naturally every citizen in
  • 00:19:24
    any country is focused on that sort of
  • 00:19:27
    what you might describe as a very small
  • 00:19:28
    Locus circle of friends or families and
  • 00:19:31
    that's that's your life so when
  • 00:19:33
    governments talk about visions
  • 00:19:36
    they this tends to be a very abstract
  • 00:19:38
    thing when I tell you that we will
  • 00:19:40
    double the standard of living
  • 00:19:42
    people say what do you mean is it going
  • 00:19:44
    to change my income is it going to add
  • 00:19:47
    more money in my pocket am I going to
  • 00:19:49
    have a bigger house are my children
  • 00:19:51
    going to be in a better school what does
  • 00:19:53
    it what does it mean exactly so standard
  • 00:19:56
    of living is one of the trickiest things
  • 00:19:57
    that people use and in Arabic we say
  • 00:20:00
    Rafa
  • 00:20:03
    and probably you know this better than I
  • 00:20:05
    do the context means luxury yes but when
  • 00:20:09
    we talk about welfare and well-being
  • 00:20:11
    we're talking about standard of livings
  • 00:20:14
    on how well you live
  • 00:20:16
    that means there is no lack of
  • 00:20:21
    opportunity there is no lack of choice
  • 00:20:23
    there is no lack of ability to act on
  • 00:20:27
    your decisions freely within the law
  • 00:20:29
    meaning think some of them some of the
  • 00:20:32
    things will be tangible and some of the
  • 00:20:34
    things will be intangible one of the
  • 00:20:36
    interesting things I like about when you
  • 00:20:38
    talk about development and development
  • 00:20:40
    economics is it is a saying that
  • 00:20:42
    defining it people Define it by you know
  • 00:20:45
    having
  • 00:20:47
    highways and cars and high rises and
  • 00:20:51
    whatever it is and you say hang on
  • 00:20:52
    that's economic development but the most
  • 00:20:55
    basic definition that I like is the
  • 00:20:58
    ability to act on opportunities the
  • 00:21:02
    ability to make those choices unhindered
  • 00:21:06
    in such a way that you can better your
  • 00:21:09
    own so no one is doing it for you but
  • 00:21:12
    your ability to do so so if we compare
  • 00:21:14
    countries across the world and we think
  • 00:21:16
    about this Economic Development idea in
  • 00:21:19
    some countries you're unable to start up
  • 00:21:21
    your own business
  • 00:21:23
    not because it's impossible but you
  • 00:21:25
    don't have the resources or the ability
  • 00:21:27
    to get to the right
  • 00:21:29
    process if you like yes there is no
  • 00:21:33
    internet access which means you're
  • 00:21:35
    unable to communicate with potentially
  • 00:21:38
    would-be customers there is no telephone
  • 00:21:40
    there is no payments available to you
  • 00:21:43
    there's no the the infrastructure to to
  • 00:21:46
    facilitate you exactly and the
  • 00:21:49
    infrastructure is not just as tangible
  • 00:21:50
    as you've pointed out the intangible one
  • 00:21:53
    that is but the fact that you're able to
  • 00:21:56
    makes a whole lot of difference
  • 00:21:59
    then when you say yes we have high rises
  • 00:22:02
    but I can't live in them because they're
  • 00:22:05
    either too expensive
  • 00:22:06
    they're not designed suitably for mice
  • 00:22:08
    standard of living
  • 00:22:11
    um
  • 00:22:11
    or they're empty they look nice they're
  • 00:22:14
    glittery and whatnot and this is the
  • 00:22:16
    mistake we fall into sometimes you look
  • 00:22:19
    at the neighboring countries and you see
  • 00:22:21
    all these skyscrapers and you say oh
  • 00:22:24
    they have a very strong economy
  • 00:22:26
    based on what you see and this is one of
  • 00:22:29
    the tricks that often I mean have it
  • 00:22:32
    driving down here
  • 00:22:33
    um I see a lot of these apartment
  • 00:22:35
    buildings yes
  • 00:22:37
    wow these haven't been here before
  • 00:22:39
    because every time you come to one area
  • 00:22:41
    and you see more high rises or or
  • 00:22:43
    apartment buildings the assumption is
  • 00:22:45
    there's more happening behind the scenes
  • 00:22:48
    there could be a lot of debt driving
  • 00:22:49
    that
  • 00:22:50
    building and that that perhaps not
  • 00:22:52
    always paid back and honestly when you
  • 00:22:54
    come in the evening the it's total
  • 00:22:56
    darkness it's not empty
  • 00:22:58
    interesting that you've said Darkness
  • 00:23:00
    one of the indicators of Economic
  • 00:23:02
    Development
  • 00:23:03
    is how much electricity is being used
  • 00:23:06
    and visible at night
  • 00:23:09
    and a lot of satellite images show you
  • 00:23:12
    these night sort of area images exactly
  • 00:23:15
    if you compare any country over time you
  • 00:23:17
    see the area lit up area grow or time
  • 00:23:20
    this is not necessarily the case in
  • 00:23:23
    every country just because you have more
  • 00:23:24
    if no one is living in those areas no
  • 00:23:26
    one is using those roads and no
  • 00:23:28
    electricity will be wasted in that area
  • 00:23:30
    so you'll find a lot of it is shut down
  • 00:23:32
    interesting it's not an economic
  • 00:23:34
    indicator in the sense of numbers it's
  • 00:23:36
    just simply a visual indicator but
  • 00:23:39
    we mix up a lot of the what we see and
  • 00:23:41
    what we assume you know you go to a
  • 00:23:43
    model you see a lot of people walk in
  • 00:23:44
    the mall you think Oh Hang on we're okay
  • 00:23:46
    what are you talking about bad Economic
  • 00:23:48
    Times well most of them are window
  • 00:23:49
    shopping exactly and you see this in
  • 00:23:52
    every country around where people are
  • 00:23:54
    very careful how much they spend and how
  • 00:23:56
    much now
  • 00:23:58
    going back to that question of
  • 00:24:00
    are we aware of visions
  • 00:24:02
    for all those reasons of what we see
  • 00:24:04
    around us and assume that there's good
  • 00:24:08
    things happening or bad things happening
  • 00:24:10
    we don't really see the big picture
  • 00:24:12
    because Visions are often communicated
  • 00:24:14
    in a very dry way
  • 00:24:16
    we often say we will do this and we'll
  • 00:24:18
    be very Rosy about how we do it which is
  • 00:24:21
    nice but what we've tried to do here in
  • 00:24:24
    Amman is not only put out the vision
  • 00:24:27
    which a lot of people were involved with
  • 00:24:29
    but those were
  • 00:24:31
    who are not directly involved with it
  • 00:24:33
    often receive it either as a document
  • 00:24:35
    that is to them too long to read or the
  • 00:24:38
    language isn't preferably I wouldn't say
  • 00:24:41
    readable but you user-friendly yeah it
  • 00:24:44
    is absolutely I mean the production of
  • 00:24:46
    the document itself is very easy to read
  • 00:24:48
    I use it for my students and then when
  • 00:24:50
    I forced them to read it and then I tell
  • 00:24:53
    them listen you guys have to read this
  • 00:24:54
    because I'm going to ask you about it
  • 00:24:55
    and I find they never complain about the
  • 00:24:57
    readability because it's both in Arabic
  • 00:24:59
    and English but also the way it's set
  • 00:25:01
    out even the process the problem is how
  • 00:25:03
    we use that tool to say
  • 00:25:06
    for example here in your channel you're
  • 00:25:09
    saying I've created the channel I'm
  • 00:25:10
    doing all of this because of the vision
  • 00:25:14
    where do you fit into this big picture
  • 00:25:18
    so yeah I don't know I'm just doing my
  • 00:25:20
    job I'm educating people I'm engaging
  • 00:25:22
    people I'm like no no where are you
  • 00:25:25
    fitted in this whole big picture
  • 00:25:28
    we've done a bit of work not the
  • 00:25:30
    academic but on a Consulting side with
  • 00:25:33
    organizations that look to align
  • 00:25:34
    themselves to the vision
  • 00:25:37
    and we ask a very simple question are
  • 00:25:39
    you aware of it some will say yes some
  • 00:25:41
    will say no so we go down to
  • 00:25:43
    where is this where did it come from why
  • 00:25:45
    is it important for you I was like yeah
  • 00:25:47
    I'm a TV channel I'm a podcast Channel
  • 00:25:50
    I'm a internet Channel
  • 00:25:51
    this has nothing to do with me I was
  • 00:25:53
    like no no you're part of it
  • 00:25:55
    when we talk about the identity element
  • 00:25:57
    of Oman Vision 2040 one of the key
  • 00:26:00
    elements for society is
  • 00:26:02
    individuals or citizens who are proud of
  • 00:26:04
    their identity
  • 00:26:06
    like yeah we're all proud we're wearing
  • 00:26:09
    our clothing we're wearing our houses
  • 00:26:10
    economic visioning and
  • 00:26:13
    part of your belongingness or belonging
  • 00:26:16
    to a nation is the ability to be
  • 00:26:20
    productive and add value to that Nation
  • 00:26:22
    whether do you do it in culture whether
  • 00:26:24
    you do it in business whether you do it
  • 00:26:26
    in anything you're being an active
  • 00:26:28
    member
  • 00:26:29
    if you don't sense that belonging if you
  • 00:26:31
    don't have that sense of belonging you
  • 00:26:34
    are less likely to work less likely to
  • 00:26:36
    save less likely to spend because you're
  • 00:26:39
    constantly feeling the fear of this is
  • 00:26:42
    not home this I'm not settled I'm not
  • 00:26:44
    part of all of this and you don't feel
  • 00:26:47
    that you're contributing to exhibition
  • 00:26:49
    yourself so
  • 00:26:50
    this is a very small element of the big
  • 00:26:52
    picture if you're going to have a sense
  • 00:26:55
    of belonging and we're able to instill
  • 00:26:57
    that how do we instill sets of belonging
  • 00:26:59
    do we chant
  • 00:27:00
    rhetorics do we get people involved
  • 00:27:05
    people engaged
  • 00:27:07
    all of that means that someone has to do
  • 00:27:09
    this if it's not going to be the
  • 00:27:10
    government it's going to be us as
  • 00:27:11
    individuals and each one of us is going
  • 00:27:13
    to take it upon himself for herself to
  • 00:27:15
    do so as individuals it's easy to say
  • 00:27:18
    listen I relate to The Vision by doing
  • 00:27:19
    one two three but as organizations you
  • 00:27:22
    need to take a more structured role
  • 00:27:24
    that's why you need to understand if I'm
  • 00:27:27
    an institution in education I need to
  • 00:27:29
    decide which part am I gonna I can't fit
  • 00:27:32
    the whole bill
  • 00:27:33
    I'm going to help create more Innovation
  • 00:27:35
    through research fair enough
  • 00:27:37
    how are you going to fund that research
  • 00:27:39
    Government funding
  • 00:27:41
    through private sector exactly I'm going
  • 00:27:43
    to engage with industry to solve
  • 00:27:45
    Solutions
  • 00:27:47
    um I'm going to align myself with other
  • 00:27:50
    partners who are going to help me get to
  • 00:27:51
    that level International and local once
  • 00:27:55
    you get that that's when you start to
  • 00:27:56
    become relevant the vision becomes
  • 00:27:58
    relevant to you and you start to add
  • 00:28:01
    value as individuals we're a bit more
  • 00:28:03
    removed from all that picture
  • 00:28:06
    but if I'm not aware of it if I am not
  • 00:28:11
    in my generation and the Next Generation
  • 00:28:13
    the one after feel connected to it the
  • 00:28:16
    sense of purpose is lost to all of us
  • 00:28:18
    many people believe that governments are
  • 00:28:20
    the only ones who lead the visions
  • 00:28:24
    the leadership is there
  • 00:28:26
    but when the government says I want to
  • 00:28:29
    change all of my services into
  • 00:28:31
    electronically delivered Services it
  • 00:28:33
    impacts everybody exactly but as Society
  • 00:28:36
    if we do not accept that
  • 00:28:39
    how do we reach those ultimate goals of
  • 00:28:42
    better service provision better
  • 00:28:44
    transparency reduction in corruption all
  • 00:28:47
    of the things that we Society want
  • 00:28:49
    but listen I don't wanna you know I
  • 00:28:52
    don't want to use e-payments I want to
  • 00:28:53
    pay cash
  • 00:28:55
    there's a small business that is very
  • 00:28:58
    easy of using cash because it might get
  • 00:29:00
    lost misplaced or whatever it rather
  • 00:29:02
    does all of its systems electronically
  • 00:29:05
    easier to pick or the small business is
  • 00:29:08
    a bit wary of using all of these
  • 00:29:10
    Technologies and really likes the cash
  • 00:29:13
    business you know cash on delivery and
  • 00:29:15
    and you know it's a cash basis it's much
  • 00:29:17
    easier there's less of a headache how
  • 00:29:19
    are we going to move these smaller
  • 00:29:21
    businesses or mid-sized businesses into
  • 00:29:23
    better performing better service
  • 00:29:25
    providers whatever they do if they do
  • 00:29:28
    not accept going on to this journey yes
  • 00:29:32
    so I think for individuals the relevance
  • 00:29:35
    will always be how do I conduct my life
  • 00:29:38
    around these services
  • 00:29:40
    and how do I take advantage of what is
  • 00:29:44
    available
  • 00:29:45
    in less of a hassle if you like
  • 00:29:48
    improving going back to that definition
  • 00:29:50
    of improving my ability
  • 00:29:53
    to achieve all of the things I want to
  • 00:29:56
    because this whole system Now is better
  • 00:29:58
    than what it used to be prior you know 5
  • 00:30:01
    10 20 30 40 years ago as part of this
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    journey towards the bigger Vision if you
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    allow me we're gonna take a short break
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    and then come back and discuss more
  • 00:30:11
    topics about economics
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    dear brothers and sisters welcome back
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    to dome podcast and my honorable guest
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    Is His Highness assayed Dr Adam al-side
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    welcome back doctor thank you now Victor
  • 00:30:29
    how do we understand economics in
  • 00:30:33
    general
  • 00:30:34
    now
  • 00:30:35
    moving away from theories because you
  • 00:30:38
    know no one likes theories
  • 00:30:39
    um we often when we want to understand
  • 00:30:41
    any economy we look at numbers
  • 00:30:44
    and
  • 00:30:46
    today we have so many ways of thinking
  • 00:30:48
    about those numbers and how they affect
  • 00:30:50
    us but often more than none when you
  • 00:30:52
    read the newspapers and when you look at
  • 00:30:54
    any sort of trade journals
  • 00:30:56
    economists generally look at very high
  • 00:30:58
    level indicators to start with yes so we
  • 00:31:01
    think of the gross domestic product
  • 00:31:03
    which is the output produced in economy
  • 00:31:05
    we think of inflation as the cost of
  • 00:31:07
    living and we think of unemployment sort
  • 00:31:10
    of the fraction of people who are able
  • 00:31:13
    to work and want to work but cannot find
  • 00:31:15
    jobs yes and then the other elements
  • 00:31:18
    that we also focus on is Public Finance
  • 00:31:20
    government revenues government spending
  • 00:31:24
    and the gap between those two so we talk
  • 00:31:26
    about things like deficits government
  • 00:31:28
    debts and how that might be met
  • 00:31:32
    and finally we look at the external
  • 00:31:34
    factors we look at trade exports and
  • 00:31:37
    imports we look at exchange rates and
  • 00:31:40
    the balance of payments which divides
  • 00:31:42
    itself into trade balance the difference
  • 00:31:45
    between importing and exporting and the
  • 00:31:48
    current account now the first three are
  • 00:31:51
    what we often think of as the vital
  • 00:31:52
    signs I often when I describe these I
  • 00:31:55
    tell people
  • 00:31:57
    um when La cadilla you go to the doctor
  • 00:31:59
    yes they often take you to triage just
  • 00:32:02
    before you you kind of go in and they
  • 00:32:04
    check your temperature they check your
  • 00:32:06
    weight they check your height they check
  • 00:32:07
    your blood pressure these are initial
  • 00:32:10
    indicators of whether you are unwell
  • 00:32:13
    at least visibly and they're able to get
  • 00:32:18
    a feel for where you are you know
  • 00:32:20
    health-wise you know if you're a bit
  • 00:32:22
    overweight for your height you know your
  • 00:32:23
    age or so and so but those are never
  • 00:32:26
    enough
  • 00:32:27
    doctors will always move on to the next
  • 00:32:29
    thing have more investment exactly
  • 00:32:31
    physical pathologies and whatnot
  • 00:32:34
    but if you were to diagnose economies
  • 00:32:36
    based on the three indicators very
  • 00:32:38
    clearly you just don't look at them at
  • 00:32:39
    one point in time you have to look at
  • 00:32:41
    them over time and see whether this
  • 00:32:45
    gross domestic product the output how
  • 00:32:47
    much was produced in your
  • 00:32:49
    General geographical borders
  • 00:32:51
    you produced in the simplest forms three
  • 00:32:54
    apples two computers and three visits to
  • 00:32:58
    the dentist yes there's a service
  • 00:33:00
    there's an output and there's you know
  • 00:33:02
    the output is food and then technology
  • 00:33:05
    but if that keeps increasing over time
  • 00:33:08
    that's a positive sign
  • 00:33:10
    but does it increase because it costs
  • 00:33:12
    more or does it increase because you're
  • 00:33:13
    just simply producing because we're
  • 00:33:15
    using our manuals dollars or Euros
  • 00:33:18
    numbers which makes it much easier the
  • 00:33:21
    best example to think of this is
  • 00:33:22
    whenever you go to grocery shopping and
  • 00:33:25
    you pick up that very long receipt total
  • 00:33:27
    waste of paper but you know you read
  • 00:33:29
    through it and you find all of the items
  • 00:33:31
    listed their price quantity
  • 00:33:35
    all of that adds up to a single number
  • 00:33:37
    so did you spend more on your grocery
  • 00:33:39
    this month
  • 00:33:41
    there's no way for you to know you might
  • 00:33:43
    have bought two bananas there's no
  • 00:33:44
    comparison no comparison but when you
  • 00:33:46
    look at those receipts you look at the
  • 00:33:48
    numbers and say hang on I just spent
  • 00:33:49
    another 10 reals
  • 00:33:51
    more than last month yes
  • 00:33:54
    but that 10 reals did it buy you more
  • 00:33:58
    or buy the same quantity really depends
  • 00:34:01
    on whether it cost you more to buy those
  • 00:34:03
    groceries or not so the value of the the
  • 00:34:05
    product has increased exactly so often
  • 00:34:08
    many people read the newspaper and say
  • 00:34:10
    the output of our country increased by
  • 00:34:13
    30 percent from say a year ago
  • 00:34:17
    30 percent is a huge output think of it
  • 00:34:20
    this way last year you produced what's
  • 00:34:22
    worth 10 reals this year you produce
  • 00:34:25
    something worth about 13 rails
  • 00:34:28
    a 13 reals
  • 00:34:30
    when you took it in the country that's
  • 00:34:31
    in billions oman's output today is about
  • 00:34:34
    30 billion plus or minorials in dollars
  • 00:34:37
    if you multiply by 2.5 that's about 75
  • 00:34:40
    to 80 billion dollars if you compare
  • 00:34:43
    this to a decade ago it's by far much
  • 00:34:45
    larger if you compare it to five decades
  • 00:34:47
    ago it's
  • 00:34:49
    many many times over
  • 00:34:51
    this means that over time a man's
  • 00:34:53
    capability to produce more things has
  • 00:34:55
    increased which is a positive sign but
  • 00:34:57
    economists don't stop there they go back
  • 00:34:59
    and say what was it last year the year
  • 00:35:00
    before and the year before and we will
  • 00:35:03
    notice that it's been going up and down
  • 00:35:05
    so economies go through Cycles
  • 00:35:08
    and these Cycles mean that at certain
  • 00:35:10
    times you're producing more
  • 00:35:12
    at certain times you're producing less
  • 00:35:14
    at certain times you're producing the
  • 00:35:16
    same roughly the same amount but there's
  • 00:35:19
    a price hike
  • 00:35:21
    such as we've seen in 2022 in oil prices
  • 00:35:24
    yes so a man's economy is roughly
  • 00:35:28
    divided about 35 to 40 percent oil and
  • 00:35:30
    gas and the rest is Services Public
  • 00:35:33
    Services wholesale retail tourism Etc
  • 00:35:36
    all of these things put together
  • 00:35:38
    education and health and whatnot
  • 00:35:40
    so when the 40 Value
  • 00:35:43
    just in dollars goes up with the same
  • 00:35:45
    production of say about a million
  • 00:35:47
    barrels per day goes up say from sixty
  • 00:35:50
    dollars to seventy dollars
  • 00:35:52
    Aman's economy suddenly unknown in
  • 00:35:55
    numbers increases
  • 00:35:57
    and were quite pleasantly happy about
  • 00:35:59
    that the problem when you go back and
  • 00:36:01
    look at it we say did we produce more no
  • 00:36:04
    the same quantity the same quantity and
  • 00:36:06
    hence we are careful that sometimes
  • 00:36:09
    inflated prices can be a bit tricky and
  • 00:36:12
    send the wrong signal so economists will
  • 00:36:15
    often use the word real output
  • 00:36:19
    means physical outputs so if you're like
  • 00:36:21
    how many fingers do I have in my hand
  • 00:36:22
    like they're four fingers yeah and I was
  • 00:36:25
    like all right now if I add the thumb to
  • 00:36:27
    it now I have five fingers that's a real
  • 00:36:29
    change in numbers physical change as
  • 00:36:32
    you've pointed correctly two baskets
  • 00:36:34
    from year one to year two are going to
  • 00:36:36
    be very different
  • 00:36:37
    so when we hear in the news 30 increase
  • 00:36:40
    in our output we should ask where did
  • 00:36:43
    this change come from if it's in prices
  • 00:36:46
    at least from the economic perspective
  • 00:36:48
    that worries us because it means there's
  • 00:36:51
    no more activity than there was before
  • 00:36:54
    it's just that it costs more now for
  • 00:36:56
    whomever is buying that out so it means
  • 00:36:58
    there's no development there's no like
  • 00:37:00
    increase in production or growth I would
  • 00:37:02
    rather rather than say development I'll
  • 00:37:03
    use the word growth
  • 00:37:06
    in the last couple of years especially
  • 00:37:08
    is that has been modest growth
  • 00:37:11
    it's about one to two percent uh or a
  • 00:37:14
    little bit more in non-oil activities
  • 00:37:17
    which is the better gauge for our type
  • 00:37:19
    of economy
  • 00:37:20
    but in any economy when you look at
  • 00:37:22
    change you want to see did we produce
  • 00:37:24
    more apples and computers and dentist
  • 00:37:27
    Services among many other things or are
  • 00:37:30
    they the same
  • 00:37:31
    but if
  • 00:37:33
    the cases for an economy that there's no
  • 00:37:36
    change in physical output but a higher
  • 00:37:38
    price we shift to the other indicator
  • 00:37:40
    which is inflation yes inflation people
  • 00:37:43
    think yeah I went out today and I'll use
  • 00:37:46
    a very rudimentary example and bought
  • 00:37:48
    myself some tomatoes and they cost
  • 00:37:52
    twice as much as they did last month
  • 00:37:55
    there must be inflation
  • 00:37:57
    the cost of living has gone up
  • 00:38:00
    economists will say wait a minute
  • 00:38:03
    did all of the other items you buy
  • 00:38:05
    increase in price
  • 00:38:07
    it's like no no it was just the tomatoes
  • 00:38:10
    economists will classify that as
  • 00:38:12
    Tomatoes prices have gone up
  • 00:38:15
    I said no no it cost me more to buy my
  • 00:38:17
    groceries or more it's like yeah but
  • 00:38:19
    tomatoes are perhaps a fraction of your
  • 00:38:22
    food budget
  • 00:38:24
    in fact I don't think many people buy
  • 00:38:25
    them on a regular basis or whatever it
  • 00:38:28
    is depending on the need exactly so you
  • 00:38:31
    could switch from Tomatoes if they're
  • 00:38:33
    too expensive
  • 00:38:34
    and still maintain your budget
  • 00:38:36
    so when we think of inflation we think
  • 00:38:38
    of it as a basket of products that you
  • 00:38:40
    as an individual or business even buy
  • 00:38:44
    and then how does this basket change
  • 00:38:46
    over time now this basket is not simply
  • 00:38:48
    tomatoes and
  • 00:38:50
    you know coffee and tea whatever it is
  • 00:38:52
    it's everything that you buy so how to
  • 00:38:54
    goes every month and spends 10 reals two
  • 00:38:56
    reals are going to be spent on or 2.5 on
  • 00:38:58
    food another 2.5 on Transportation One
  • 00:39:02
    real on entertainment another you know
  • 00:39:04
    500 bases on health and another 250
  • 00:39:08
    basis on education these all become
  • 00:39:10
    little fractions of the bigger 10 reals
  • 00:39:13
    that you've spent you buy the same thing
  • 00:39:16
    every month and you spend the same
  • 00:39:18
    amount of phone calls internet
  • 00:39:20
    everything services and goods but now
  • 00:39:22
    you pay 11 reals next month yes so on
  • 00:39:26
    average you're paying more for the same
  • 00:39:27
    basket
  • 00:39:30
    someone say hang on
  • 00:39:31
    what's going on it's costing me more to
  • 00:39:33
    buy things so in very simple terms
  • 00:39:36
    inflation doesn't look at just the 11
  • 00:39:39
    reals it looks at the percentage
  • 00:39:41
    increase from the 10 Rials to the 11
  • 00:39:43
    reals and says your basket has just gone
  • 00:39:47
    up by 10 percent
  • 00:39:49
    someone will say wow 10 that's a lot of
  • 00:39:51
    increase right
  • 00:39:53
    if it's 100 years if it's a thousand
  • 00:39:55
    reals ten percent it goes up so you do
  • 00:39:58
    we have inflation now the answer is yes
  • 00:40:00
    how is it different from the Tomato
  • 00:40:02
    example
  • 00:40:03
    inflation very simply is
  • 00:40:05
    it costs you more on average to buy the
  • 00:40:08
    same Goods compared to a previous period
  • 00:40:11
    last month last year what we've seen
  • 00:40:14
    around the world in the last few years
  • 00:40:16
    is that the price of food the price of
  • 00:40:21
    Essentials has gone up significantly for
  • 00:40:24
    two main reasons is it because of the
  • 00:40:26
    demand and Supply perfect
  • 00:40:28
    one of the things that drives prices
  • 00:40:32
    is wanting to buy more of the same
  • 00:40:35
    products and there's limited quantity
  • 00:40:36
    yes
  • 00:40:38
    this is what we often describe as demand
  • 00:40:40
    driven or demand to push inflation we as
  • 00:40:43
    consumers are the cause think of real
  • 00:40:45
    estate real estate is always limited it
  • 00:40:47
    takes time to build more stuff so if
  • 00:40:50
    everyone wants to live in a specific
  • 00:40:51
    area and they have the resources and the
  • 00:40:53
    means to buy so the prices that shoot up
  • 00:40:55
    will shoot up
  • 00:40:57
    like why is someone being greedy
  • 00:40:59
    is someone trying to charge more if we
  • 00:41:02
    have a market that's very open you can
  • 00:41:04
    charge
  • 00:41:05
    20 over the price what should be and
  • 00:41:08
    everyone say no we're not buying from
  • 00:41:09
    you so they normally there's no cap for
  • 00:41:13
    the people just yeah but someone who
  • 00:41:14
    said uh example of nfts yes
  • 00:41:18
    when they first started the numbers were
  • 00:41:19
    crazy we're talking tens of thousands if
  • 00:41:21
    not more
  • 00:41:23
    Than People realize very quickly hang on
  • 00:41:25
    there's too few of these they started
  • 00:41:26
    producing more of theirs the markets
  • 00:41:28
    will adjust as long as nothing is
  • 00:41:30
    stopping them but when the capacity to
  • 00:41:33
    to make more or make more available
  • 00:41:35
    build more or provide more of a service
  • 00:41:37
    or a good but there's still more Demand
  • 00:41:40
    on that because there's more income in
  • 00:41:42
    our pockets we're able to buy more
  • 00:41:44
    suddenly we'll find that the prices will
  • 00:41:47
    pick up to meet that demand so less
  • 00:41:49
    people will be able to buy compared to
  • 00:41:51
    before at a higher price
  • 00:41:53
    often people think of this as Merchants
  • 00:41:55
    being greedy and whatnot but the
  • 00:41:57
    merchants have limited Supply in their
  • 00:41:59
    storage naturally to meet that extra
  • 00:42:02
    demand to produce more they have to pay
  • 00:42:05
    more wages they have to pay more
  • 00:42:06
    electricity they have to pay more fuel
  • 00:42:08
    all of these costs me and the price will
  • 00:42:10
    eventually now here we're assuming and
  • 00:42:13
    the word assuming is always problematic
  • 00:42:15
    that this is a free market there's no
  • 00:42:18
    control over the product or service and
  • 00:42:21
    everyone who sees an opportunity can
  • 00:42:23
    enter the market example is the Shale
  • 00:42:26
    gas industry in the US yes to set up the
  • 00:42:29
    setup you need money but the setup is
  • 00:42:31
    much easier to create a rig for Shale
  • 00:42:34
    gas compared to a rig for proper gas
  • 00:42:37
    that we have in our part of the world
  • 00:42:39
    not that they didn't get hurt but you
  • 00:42:42
    could see the numbers changing by the
  • 00:42:43
    hundreds if not thousands when the
  • 00:42:45
    prices shot up to the hundred dollar for
  • 00:42:48
    oil because the opportunity was there
  • 00:42:49
    yes so that's one side of the story the
  • 00:42:53
    other side of the story is when we've
  • 00:42:54
    had supply chain effects where shutdowns
  • 00:42:57
    and lockdowns in 2020 and parts of 21
  • 00:43:00
    and even up to more recently in China
  • 00:43:03
    the challenge was before reopening was
  • 00:43:06
    that many factories might be shut down
  • 00:43:08
    suddenly because of the zero covet
  • 00:43:10
    policy now that they've abandoned it we
  • 00:43:13
    hope that that would reduce the pressure
  • 00:43:15
    on the supply chains but many businesses
  • 00:43:17
    went out and they lost in Oman in the
  • 00:43:20
    rest of the world that meant that your
  • 00:43:22
    provider of say the coffee for your cup
  • 00:43:25
    of coffee or tea is suddenly out of
  • 00:43:27
    business I need to find a new supplier
  • 00:43:29
    that new supplier is engaged with other
  • 00:43:32
    retailers and wholesalers they cannot
  • 00:43:34
    provide you today so your business today
  • 00:43:37
    has a problem
  • 00:43:39
    how do I make use of the existing coffee
  • 00:43:41
    that I have
  • 00:43:43
    the price has to go up otherwise I
  • 00:43:45
    cannot get any more coffee later on so
  • 00:43:47
    the supply Side Story means that there
  • 00:43:50
    is less available and the price
  • 00:43:52
    eventually goes up because the demand is
  • 00:43:54
    there is not being met there's not
  • 00:43:56
    enough there so inflation happens on
  • 00:43:59
    both sides
  • 00:44:00
    we as consumers just sense the final
  • 00:44:03
    price
  • 00:44:04
    so how how do we deal with that we just
  • 00:44:07
    have to Fork out more money or make
  • 00:44:09
    decisions on what to delay or differ in
  • 00:44:12
    our payments for these products you
  • 00:44:15
    might think hang on I'm paying too much
  • 00:44:17
    money for entertainment I'm going to
  • 00:44:18
    cancel some of my subscriptions so
  • 00:44:21
    you're prioritizing your spending so you
  • 00:44:24
    you focus more on what you need than
  • 00:44:27
    what you want
  • 00:44:29
    now here's the biggest challenge I've
  • 00:44:31
    just made a huge assumption that a you
  • 00:44:34
    will make those substitutions
  • 00:44:36
    and B
  • 00:44:39
    some of your spending is
  • 00:44:42
    called ancillary or subject to that
  • 00:44:45
    those changes but where it hits hard if
  • 00:44:49
    60 of your budget 70 of your budget goes
  • 00:44:53
    to housing and food
  • 00:44:56
    and the other goes to your kids
  • 00:44:57
    education
  • 00:44:59
    where the margins are so small that
  • 00:45:02
    a one real difference could break the
  • 00:45:05
    budget
  • 00:45:06
    a five real here or it's not the luxury
  • 00:45:08
    of getting your coffee from a gourmet
  • 00:45:10
    coffee place or you know necessarily
  • 00:45:14
    that you are paying extremely high fees
  • 00:45:17
    for a very luxurious education for your
  • 00:45:19
    kids otherwise luxurious doesn't work
  • 00:45:21
    very well with education thank you but
  • 00:45:24
    you know you're
  • 00:45:26
    a better Education Service exactly
  • 00:45:28
    sometimes better sometimes you know that
  • 00:45:31
    in itself is a different story but
  • 00:45:35
    many people don't have that luxury
  • 00:45:37
    and their budgets are living on the edge
  • 00:45:41
    they've got commitments they've got
  • 00:45:43
    loans and they've got you know all of
  • 00:45:45
    those challenges so inflation can be
  • 00:45:47
    very problematic that's why for example
  • 00:45:49
    a man the government tries to reduce the
  • 00:45:52
    impact by using subsidies on fuels they
  • 00:45:56
    were meant to be removed electricity and
  • 00:45:58
    yeah the bills in general many and you
  • 00:46:00
    still find those in our in our bills you
  • 00:46:01
    see what percentage has been covered the
  • 00:46:04
    food items the Staples are being
  • 00:46:06
    supported so the wholesalers are being
  • 00:46:08
    paid to compensate them for the
  • 00:46:10
    international prices yes because they
  • 00:46:12
    have to pay those there's no option if
  • 00:46:14
    you're going to bring rice and rice is
  • 00:46:15
    more expensive
  • 00:46:17
    someone has to pay the difference to
  • 00:46:18
    bring the price down in the local market
  • 00:46:20
    yeah so it becomes a huge challenge in
  • 00:46:24
    2022 we paid more than a billion reals
  • 00:46:27
    collectively for all of that support
  • 00:46:31
    a billion reals out of a budget of about
  • 00:46:33
    12 billion reals
  • 00:46:35
    that's about eight to nine percent it's
  • 00:46:37
    a lot it's a lot of money a lot of money
  • 00:46:39
    that's not producing anything
  • 00:46:41
    it's just gauging us because
  • 00:46:43
    alhamdulillah we've been fortunate that
  • 00:46:44
    we're able to do this otherwise we'd
  • 00:46:46
    have seen the prices increase much
  • 00:46:47
    higher
  • 00:46:48
    than what they have they've increased
  • 00:46:50
    about three to four percent over the
  • 00:46:51
    last couple of years again not all
  • 00:46:54
    prices it's not the price of coffee no
  • 00:46:55
    one cares about you know product X you
  • 00:46:59
    know fancy coffee going up by another
  • 00:47:00
    200 bases it is
  • 00:47:03
    you know I'll go back to the tomatoes if
  • 00:47:04
    the tomatoes was a staple yes and it
  • 00:47:07
    goes up by two three hundred bases it
  • 00:47:10
    will affect you you know if your
  • 00:47:12
    children's education goes up by another
  • 00:47:13
    100 reals it will affect you and you
  • 00:47:16
    have six children that's six it's a
  • 00:47:17
    necessity exactly and that's where
  • 00:47:20
    inflation is
  • 00:47:21
    this kind of seeps into the story of
  • 00:47:24
    unemployment
  • 00:47:26
    so we have output changing up or down
  • 00:47:28
    we're producing more or less
  • 00:47:31
    price is affecting not only consumers
  • 00:47:33
    but producers because when producers
  • 00:47:35
    have to pay more they pass on the prices
  • 00:47:38
    the protection Max that we have here is
  • 00:47:40
    consumer protection does not allow you
  • 00:47:42
    to change your prices immediately it has
  • 00:47:45
    to be approved so businesses have to
  • 00:47:47
    absorb some of those costs yeah some
  • 00:47:50
    businesses to some extent can but when
  • 00:47:53
    you're on your own business you cannot
  • 00:47:54
    keep absorbing these extra costs
  • 00:47:57
    some of the extra costs come from wages
  • 00:48:01
    when you're mandated to pay a minimum
  • 00:48:05
    wage
  • 00:48:06
    which in our mind is around 325 Rials
  • 00:48:09
    per month well maybe the income value is
  • 00:48:11
    coming to the company is not sufficient
  • 00:48:12
    enough to cover the the wages sub May
  • 00:48:15
    deem 325 not sufficient yes which
  • 00:48:18
    arguably it isn't but as a 23 year old
  • 00:48:22
    graduate from University with zero
  • 00:48:25
    experience
  • 00:48:26
    you find it challenging to find a job
  • 00:48:28
    easily because of the experience lack of
  • 00:48:30
    if you're a school dropout for whatever
  • 00:48:32
    reason if you're a university Dropout
  • 00:48:35
    for whatever reason
  • 00:48:37
    where can you find employment at that
  • 00:48:39
    stage it's extremely difficult
  • 00:48:41
    because you're deemed either
  • 00:48:43
    unqualified or uncapable or unskilled
  • 00:48:47
    so minimum wage was meant to have an
  • 00:48:49
    introduction
  • 00:48:50
    it's not for someone who has experience
  • 00:48:53
    it shouldn't be for a first time entrant
  • 00:48:55
    into the job market with some
  • 00:48:57
    qualifications some basic skills
  • 00:49:00
    uh I would often say it is the job that
  • 00:49:03
    determines the wage and not your
  • 00:49:04
    qualification that determines the wage
  • 00:49:06
    yes but experience and skill is an
  • 00:49:09
    add-on it's a bonus that you would carry
  • 00:49:11
    forward and raise those wages but anyhow
  • 00:49:15
    so for businesses the more I Mandate of
  • 00:49:17
    them to pay higher wages uh direct laws
  • 00:49:22
    or indirect kind of pressure
  • 00:49:25
    this means that their costs go up
  • 00:49:27
    now if this business cannot sustain that
  • 00:49:31
    what happens to the people working in
  • 00:49:34
    that business
  • 00:49:35
    they may lose their jobs
  • 00:49:37
    and that's what we have seen during
  • 00:49:39
    discovered as well right and we're
  • 00:49:41
    talking about people who are working and
  • 00:49:43
    suddenly become unemployed
  • 00:49:46
    when we measure these numbers we look at
  • 00:49:49
    the head count how many people are
  • 00:49:51
    working today public private sector how
  • 00:49:55
    many people from those you know added on
  • 00:49:57
    to those people who form what we call
  • 00:49:59
    the labor force
  • 00:50:01
    who are wanting to work but cannot find
  • 00:50:03
    a job maybe they had a job or maybe
  • 00:50:06
    their first time entrant and they're
  • 00:50:07
    willing and able to seriously find a job
  • 00:50:10
    so the economic definition tends to be a
  • 00:50:12
    bit removed from the social
  • 00:50:13
    sensitivities
  • 00:50:15
    it's very black and white
  • 00:50:17
    hatim are you looking for a job
  • 00:50:19
    you say no I'm employed I'm
  • 00:50:21
    self-employed I work for myself or I
  • 00:50:24
    work for someone yes
  • 00:50:26
    so I had him check he's employed
  • 00:50:29
    at him are you working I was like you
  • 00:50:31
    know Are you seriously looking for a job
  • 00:50:33
    I'm not interested at the moment I'm
  • 00:50:35
    studying I'm writing a book and I don't
  • 00:50:37
    want anyone to bother me yes Adam is out
  • 00:50:40
    of the equation equation he's not even
  • 00:50:42
    in the labor force because he is not
  • 00:50:44
    looking for a job and it's not
  • 00:50:46
    interested and not interested and he's
  • 00:50:49
    not working
  • 00:50:50
    so he's doing his own thing
  • 00:50:52
    now there's a third person
  • 00:50:55
    he or she wants to work is capable of
  • 00:50:58
    working but cannot find the opportunity
  • 00:51:00
    whatever that opportunity is
  • 00:51:03
    he or she will become unemployed so the
  • 00:51:07
    statistics will include it so amongst
  • 00:51:10
    the three of us I'm out of the labor
  • 00:51:12
    force part of the bigger population
  • 00:51:13
    those retired those who don't want to
  • 00:51:16
    work
  • 00:51:17
    those who cannot work by law under 15s
  • 00:51:20
    or under 16s yes homemakers
  • 00:51:23
    you know men or women who stay at home
  • 00:51:25
    and care for someone else for example
  • 00:51:26
    all of those but the labor force is made
  • 00:51:29
    up of hatim and this other person
  • 00:51:32
    now when we come up with a statistic
  • 00:51:34
    the labor force made up of two people
  • 00:51:36
    one of them is working and one of them
  • 00:51:37
    is not working yes so the unemployment
  • 00:51:39
    rate as we calculated would be 50
  • 00:51:42
    percent
  • 00:51:43
    because half of the labor force
  • 00:51:45
    is not working but remember how many
  • 00:51:47
    people are in the labor force two people
  • 00:51:49
    two people so the statistics can be a
  • 00:51:51
    bit tricky when you don't understand
  • 00:51:52
    them so you said it's not linked to the
  • 00:51:54
    social aspect of the social aspect let's
  • 00:51:57
    say I want to work but I'm not looking
  • 00:52:00
    for a job yes
  • 00:52:02
    officially we call you a job Seeker you
  • 00:52:05
    know man
  • 00:52:06
    now when you record that person as a job
  • 00:52:09
    Seeker suddenly there's a social
  • 00:52:11
    expectation that you will find me a job
  • 00:52:13
    somewhere
  • 00:52:14
    there has to be
  • 00:52:16
    now
  • 00:52:17
    when the statistics have come out if
  • 00:52:20
    you're not seriously looking for a job
  • 00:52:21
    if you're not registered if you're not
  • 00:52:23
    actively updating if you haven't been to
  • 00:52:25
    an interview we exclude you from that
  • 00:52:27
    rate of unemployment yes
  • 00:52:30
    but someone said no no but I want to
  • 00:52:32
    work but the C the question is
  • 00:52:35
    and I'll use this word very carefully
  • 00:52:37
    here because are you serious because
  • 00:52:39
    everyone wants to get some income but
  • 00:52:42
    how do we go about it do I wait at home
  • 00:52:45
    for the job to come to me or do I go and
  • 00:52:49
    seek the job hence the the word job
  • 00:52:51
    Seeker
  • 00:52:53
    and this becomes a challenge
  • 00:52:55
    because there are some people who have
  • 00:52:57
    been looking for a job for say two three
  • 00:52:59
    years
  • 00:53:00
    and they're unable to find the job and
  • 00:53:02
    they suddenly stop looking
  • 00:53:04
    they will drop out of the statistic
  • 00:53:08
    but so that's why they are asked from
  • 00:53:11
    time to time to update exactly that's
  • 00:53:13
    why we call updated in the system that
  • 00:53:14
    they are still looking for so the
  • 00:53:16
    ministry will say uh
  • 00:53:18
    active the word is active
  • 00:53:22
    but in this day and age it's a bit
  • 00:53:24
    complex because when I say a bit
  • 00:53:25
    different from the social expectation
  • 00:53:27
    because see I've registered in the
  • 00:53:28
    system why aren't I receiving invites to
  • 00:53:30
    interviews
  • 00:53:32
    notice how you're waiting for the
  • 00:53:34
    opportunity to come to you while others
  • 00:53:36
    would say listen I've been to three four
  • 00:53:38
    interviews I haven't been successful
  • 00:53:39
    I've got a second interview with this
  • 00:53:41
    and and I'm still having a challenge
  • 00:53:44
    um I'm qualified in geology but there
  • 00:53:47
    are no jobs out there
  • 00:53:49
    this is where the complications become
  • 00:53:51
    the expectations of a job Seeker
  • 00:53:54
    remember I said right at the beginning
  • 00:53:55
    economics is about choices yes and how
  • 00:53:58
    we choose to engage in the labor market
  • 00:53:59
    is a personal choice no one can force me
  • 00:54:01
    to do something I don't want it's part
  • 00:54:04
    of being in a society that gives you
  • 00:54:06
    opportunity you're responsible for
  • 00:54:07
    making those opportunities
  • 00:54:09
    what are your opportunities today
  • 00:54:11
    if there's a job that is not in your
  • 00:54:13
    qualification and you can apply to you
  • 00:54:16
    can apply to it nothing stops you from
  • 00:54:17
    doing so
  • 00:54:18
    the business on the other side might see
  • 00:54:20
    you favorably or unfavorably because
  • 00:54:22
    they think hang on this person doesn't
  • 00:54:24
    fit the bill yeah he's uh yeah his field
  • 00:54:27
    his area is geologist and I want an
  • 00:54:29
    economist so exactly which is a
  • 00:54:31
    fundamental problem with our labor
  • 00:54:33
    market there's a lot of
  • 00:54:34
    compartmentalization
  • 00:54:37
    Adam is an economist he cannot do
  • 00:54:39
    anything else so I tell my students no
  • 00:54:42
    one has stamped something on your
  • 00:54:43
    forehead that says you are one two or
  • 00:54:46
    three and you cannot do anything else
  • 00:54:48
    and the majority of us we graduate in an
  • 00:54:51
    area and then we end up doing something
  • 00:54:53
    else exactly but you say the majority
  • 00:54:55
    example I am a graduate of accounting
  • 00:54:57
    and finance and I'm in media now which
  • 00:55:00
    has nothing to do which is a prime
  • 00:55:01
    example of our capacity to do things to
  • 00:55:04
    to be creative to be productive
  • 00:55:07
    but Society does not see it that way
  • 00:55:10
    there's been a recent appointment in an
  • 00:55:12
    official position and I think you know
  • 00:55:14
    who I'm talking about yeah yeah and
  • 00:55:15
    there was a lot of controversial about
  • 00:55:17
    that exactly and one of the things
  • 00:55:20
    that people you know positively said is
  • 00:55:22
    you know you need new blood
  • 00:55:25
    you need a new way of thinking
  • 00:55:28
    and executive physicians may not
  • 00:55:31
    necessarily need expert matter so do you
  • 00:55:34
    need an economist to always make
  • 00:55:36
    economic policy or do you need an
  • 00:55:39
    economist and others
  • 00:55:42
    so you bring in sensibilities but others
  • 00:55:44
    will help make those decisions in such a
  • 00:55:46
    way so in media I'm sure you need
  • 00:55:49
    professionals who do sound
  • 00:55:51
    absolutely there's a lot going behind
  • 00:55:53
    the scenes exactly we're just doing the
  • 00:55:55
    easy part right I've moderated many
  • 00:55:57
    sessions uh we were talking before this
  • 00:56:00
    right about panel discussions but I'm
  • 00:56:03
    not a subject matter in those issues but
  • 00:56:06
    being able to find a way to comfortably
  • 00:56:10
    moderate and ask the right questions and
  • 00:56:13
    learn has
  • 00:56:15
    helped me
  • 00:56:18
    be better at that
  • 00:56:20
    can't say I'm perfect at it but it's
  • 00:56:22
    like what does an economist do in
  • 00:56:23
    moderating sessions about the
  • 00:56:25
    environment
  • 00:56:27
    it's like well
  • 00:56:29
    I'm aware of the big issue I'm able to
  • 00:56:31
    use that knowledge to ask perhaps
  • 00:56:34
    sometimes I like to say naive questions
  • 00:56:36
    yes so what stops a physicist physics
  • 00:56:40
    graduate from doing sales or doing any
  • 00:56:44
    type of service it might demeaning to
  • 00:56:47
    say listen I'm a graduate and you know I
  • 00:56:49
    can't do this I said hang on
  • 00:56:51
    you couldn't have just studied physics
  • 00:56:53
    for four or five years there were other
  • 00:56:54
    things that you would have done you
  • 00:56:56
    might have led your Society physics
  • 00:56:58
    Society you might have been in this
  • 00:57:00
    student council at that stage you might
  • 00:57:02
    have engaged in other activities
  • 00:57:04
    creative activities those skills cannot
  • 00:57:08
    just fall off
  • 00:57:10
    I did a small exercise with some of my
  • 00:57:12
    students
  • 00:57:13
    on this very issue I asked them
  • 00:57:15
    and these were senior students I said
  • 00:57:17
    listen I want you to do a very simple
  • 00:57:18
    exercise take a piece of paper
  • 00:57:20
    white sheet write your name date of
  • 00:57:23
    birth
  • 00:57:24
    and then list all of the things that
  • 00:57:27
    you've done up to this point that make
  • 00:57:28
    you employable
  • 00:57:31
    and how did that go I never saw any
  • 00:57:34
    papers unfortunately but the interesting
  • 00:57:36
    part was there were a lot of
  • 00:57:38
    soul-searching looks around there's like
  • 00:57:41
    because we all know the answer to that
  • 00:57:43
    when we were in their place
  • 00:57:46
    we had nothing to add to that piece of
  • 00:57:47
    paper
  • 00:57:49
    unless you've been very active from very
  • 00:57:51
    young
  • 00:57:52
    many of them haven't tried a single job
  • 00:57:54
    myself included until I've done my
  • 00:57:56
    internship
  • 00:57:57
    I wasn't exposed to any job that I had
  • 00:58:00
    to be there on time
  • 00:58:02
    there's expectation whether it's a pay
  • 00:58:04
    job or unpaid job but you know
  • 00:58:07
    it's the way you raise the way you the
  • 00:58:09
    opportunities you want to take I had a
  • 00:58:12
    student who was doing part-time work and
  • 00:58:15
    studying so I very quickly said hang on
  • 00:58:18
    how are you doing this
  • 00:58:20
    I was like I've got it sorted I've got
  • 00:58:22
    my schedule sorted I've you know
  • 00:58:25
    um you know it was a family business he
  • 00:58:27
    was working in as a sort of a small
  • 00:58:28
    family business but I was like
  • 00:58:31
    that's inspiring to me that people are
  • 00:58:34
    doing that so
  • 00:58:35
    can this be translated for the rest of
  • 00:58:37
    the community
  • 00:58:40
    I would say no it's a personal Drive
  • 00:58:42
    yeah we our expectations are set very
  • 00:58:46
    high for job Seekers that they should be
  • 00:58:48
    able to start their own businesses they
  • 00:58:49
    should be able to do that but the issue
  • 00:58:52
    of unemployment there's always the data
  • 00:58:55
    reality and between them the Gap is
  • 00:58:57
    expectations
  • 00:58:59
    of not only job Seekers but businesses
  • 00:59:02
    employers and policy makers that expect
  • 00:59:06
    that sometimes certain policies will
  • 00:59:09
    necessarily yield we forget that we're
  • 00:59:12
    human beings yes and our expectations
  • 00:59:15
    affect our decisions
  • 00:59:17
    so let me move on to the other part of
  • 00:59:19
    how we look at the economy which is
  • 00:59:21
    Public Finance something that we hear a
  • 00:59:23
    lot about yes but a few of us I wouldn't
  • 00:59:26
    say comprehend appreciate enough maybe
  • 00:59:28
    this is going to be the last part of our
  • 00:59:31
    interview
  • 00:59:33
    the Public Finance is a very important
  • 00:59:36
    aspect and so many of us are wondering
  • 00:59:39
    about it you know uh so if you could
  • 00:59:42
    tell us a little bit about it sure and
  • 00:59:44
    then inshaallah we will come to entry
  • 00:59:46
    end of the show so Public Finance quite
  • 00:59:49
    simply means how does the government
  • 00:59:51
    manage its revenues and expenditures
  • 00:59:56
    so when we talked about divisions and
  • 00:59:57
    the five-year plans yes right one of the
  • 01:00:00
    executive tools if you like is the
  • 01:00:03
    annual budgets
  • 01:00:05
    annual budgets are very simply the
  • 01:00:07
    government has just released one in the
  • 01:00:09
    first of January of every year where the
  • 01:00:12
    government says I'm going to spend this
  • 01:00:13
    much money
  • 01:00:15
    for the purposes of providing the basic
  • 01:00:18
    services and on top of that there are
  • 01:00:21
    certain projects that I wish to execute
  • 01:00:24
    this year and this is all part of The
  • 01:00:27
    Five-Year Plan
  • 01:00:29
    and this is the same as you do on a
  • 01:00:31
    individual budget if you budget
  • 01:00:33
    for a company saying next year we're
  • 01:00:35
    going to spend this on marketing on
  • 01:00:36
    development most of the companies they
  • 01:00:38
    have exactly so budgets are just
  • 01:00:40
    basically saying I expect this much
  • 01:00:42
    money to come in
  • 01:00:43
    and this is how I'm going to spend it
  • 01:00:44
    whether you get that much money or not
  • 01:00:46
    that's subject to your revenues yes
  • 01:00:49
    which for us in Amman primarily 70 of
  • 01:00:52
    them come from the sale of oil and gas
  • 01:00:54
    another 30 come from government service
  • 01:00:57
    fees and taxes in Oman which are limited
  • 01:01:00
    to two main taxes yes one is the
  • 01:01:02
    corporate tax which is at fifteen
  • 01:01:04
    percent from your profits yes all
  • 01:01:08
    businesses except small businesses
  • 01:01:09
    registered with the Authority for SME
  • 01:01:12
    development they Exempted right yeah
  • 01:01:14
    they pay about three percent if they
  • 01:01:16
    make any profit yeah and then there is
  • 01:01:18
    the value added tax which is a
  • 01:01:20
    consumption based 75 exactly which means
  • 01:01:22
    five percent on all the products you
  • 01:01:25
    wish to buy yes it's very important to
  • 01:01:27
    put the word wish to buy because you can
  • 01:01:29
    choose to change the type of product you
  • 01:01:31
    buy cheaper products would mean less or
  • 01:01:34
    you could choose to not buy them at all
  • 01:01:37
    if that is the case and then there are
  • 01:01:39
    certain products that are exempt from
  • 01:01:40
    that so government makes roughly a I
  • 01:01:43
    think the estimates for this year I
  • 01:01:44
    think between 10 to 11 billion are many
  • 01:01:47
    reals from those sources
  • 01:01:49
    those are estimates
  • 01:01:51
    when the government spends that money
  • 01:01:54
    it may realize mid-year that it does not
  • 01:01:56
    have enough Revenue
  • 01:01:58
    so the government has been very active
  • 01:02:00
    the Ministry of Finance in producing
  • 01:02:02
    monthly reports how much revenue came in
  • 01:02:04
    where did it come from and generally how
  • 01:02:07
    it's spent at the end of every year I
  • 01:02:10
    think we'll see it in the next three
  • 01:02:11
    months or maybe two months a closing
  • 01:02:15
    account for what was spent last year
  • 01:02:17
    like a report exactly every business
  • 01:02:19
    will do this in closing governments also
  • 01:02:21
    do this so we'll know where we've spent
  • 01:02:23
    more where we've spent less compared to
  • 01:02:25
    what we plan to so in before 2022
  • 01:02:31
    oil prices obviously since 2014 have
  • 01:02:33
    dropped sharply yes so the government
  • 01:02:35
    revenues have fallen to about 8
  • 01:02:37
    billionaires compared to our spending at
  • 01:02:39
    the time was about 14 billion
  • 01:02:42
    deficit there was a huge gap and the
  • 01:02:44
    deficit means that your revenues uh are
  • 01:02:47
    less so given the numbers I don't have
  • 01:02:49
    the numbers right now but any difference
  • 01:02:51
    between how much you need to spend not
  • 01:02:54
    choose to spend need to spend because
  • 01:02:55
    when your revenues collapse then the
  • 01:02:58
    only way you can do it is cut back on
  • 01:03:00
    all of the extra and be on the bare
  • 01:03:02
    minimum which is paying salaries and
  • 01:03:04
    critical services so that deficit meant
  • 01:03:08
    that you don't have the money to cover
  • 01:03:10
    those expenditures so what do you do if
  • 01:03:12
    you have any reserves you draw down on
  • 01:03:14
    those reserves and then if you can
  • 01:03:16
    borrow domestically you would put out
  • 01:03:19
    what we call bonds and bonds are away a
  • 01:03:22
    promise to pay back
  • 01:03:23
    but with interest or if they're so cook
  • 01:03:26
    then you pay repair so this is you get
  • 01:03:30
    the financing from from the public or
  • 01:03:33
    the industry or other institutions even
  • 01:03:35
    International institutions or you go out
  • 01:03:37
    and borrow from Banks International
  • 01:03:38
    Banks yes or offer the same bonds but
  • 01:03:41
    internationally in dollars okay
  • 01:03:44
    okay so the limit the obligation there
  • 01:03:46
    is that you have to pay that percentage
  • 01:03:48
    that you promised to pay every year and
  • 01:03:50
    that's services or the the coupon rate
  • 01:03:52
    as we call it so if it's five percent or
  • 01:03:55
    six percent you borrowed 100 reals every
  • 01:03:59
    year you pay six reals until the date
  • 01:04:01
    where you have to pay back the original
  • 01:04:03
    100 okay so that's a commitment so the
  • 01:04:07
    more you borrow your debt goes up
  • 01:04:09
    and the interest goes up and the service
  • 01:04:11
    of that obviously will go up we reach to
  • 01:04:13
    a point
  • 01:04:14
    where we're paying
  • 01:04:16
    almost more than a billion reals I think
  • 01:04:19
    it was 20 or 21 if I'm not mistaken or
  • 01:04:21
    so or this year
  • 01:04:23
    almost a billion Reals in repayments and
  • 01:04:26
    the service the service is not repaying
  • 01:04:28
    the principal payment it's just the
  • 01:04:31
    interest or the depending because a man
  • 01:04:33
    has the two tools available to it yes
  • 01:04:35
    and some bonds and these range from five
  • 01:04:38
    years
  • 01:04:39
    some of them to 30 years
  • 01:04:41
    so public debt means that whatever
  • 01:04:44
    government revenue comes some of it has
  • 01:04:47
    to be allocated to that
  • 01:04:50
    the problem with that is what that that
  • 01:04:52
    is unproductive use of the money it has
  • 01:04:55
    to be paid but it cannot go towards
  • 01:04:57
    health education infrastructure or any
  • 01:05:00
    development research yeah and that's the
  • 01:05:02
    problem with debt just like your income
  • 01:05:04
    when you're receiving your paying your
  • 01:05:05
    car loan or your home loan
  • 01:05:08
    you have to repay that so that that is
  • 01:05:10
    not generating anything you're not
  • 01:05:12
    enjoying anything you're just wearing
  • 01:05:14
    down that asset that you're using
  • 01:05:16
    and this is where public debt could be
  • 01:05:18
    dangerous because if it picks up to a
  • 01:05:19
    point where you can't repay it as a
  • 01:05:21
    government
  • 01:05:22
    you may default
  • 01:05:24
    and if you cannot pay a new default
  • 01:05:27
    the outstanding loan cannot be repaid
  • 01:05:29
    back and no one's going to give you any
  • 01:05:31
    money
  • 01:05:31
    to finance yourself
  • 01:05:34
    Credit Agencies like Moody's and Fitch
  • 01:05:37
    and standard and poor assess each
  • 01:05:39
    country's ability to pay back their
  • 01:05:42
    debts that's how you're rated and the
  • 01:05:45
    ratings are complex I don't claim to
  • 01:05:46
    understand them when I look at the
  • 01:05:48
    tables it's fantastic why it's capital A
  • 01:05:50
    and Captain and plus here in minus
  • 01:05:53
    because we're used in Academia a plus a
  • 01:05:56
    and whatnot but their systems are based
  • 01:05:58
    on government's ability to pay back
  • 01:06:00
    outstanding debt say when they say 80
  • 01:06:02
    percent of your GDP is dead so let's say
  • 01:06:06
    your GDP is 100 reals
  • 01:06:08
    and your outstanding debt is 80 reals
  • 01:06:12
    so your economy produces this has
  • 01:06:14
    nothing to do directly with government
  • 01:06:15
    Finance at the moment it's just a
  • 01:06:17
    measure yeah is it really bad are you
  • 01:06:19
    able to pay so what we're saying is if
  • 01:06:22
    you didn't do anything with that output
  • 01:06:23
    and only repaid back your loans
  • 01:06:26
    as a country you'll be left with 20
  • 01:06:29
    years and that's not how it works
  • 01:06:31
    the government will be paying back from
  • 01:06:34
    about 80 reals maybe every year five
  • 01:06:36
    reals
  • 01:06:38
    but where does it come from from the
  • 01:06:40
    sale of oil or gas from the fees or the
  • 01:06:44
    taxes that it pays so technically the
  • 01:06:47
    debt
  • 01:06:48
    not only is the government responsible
  • 01:06:49
    for we are responsible for that debt yes
  • 01:06:52
    so you're here in the U.S for example
  • 01:06:53
    the debt is in trillions of dollars
  • 01:06:56
    who's going to pay back that debt
  • 01:06:58
    if the government prints more money
  • 01:07:01
    that's going to cause a catastrophe
  • 01:07:02
    because more money is like adding more
  • 01:07:05
    water to the tub is going to overflow
  • 01:07:07
    that's going to create more inflation
  • 01:07:09
    and all sorts of problems
  • 01:07:12
    the taxpayers have to pay it so at some
  • 01:07:14
    point in time certain countries will say
  • 01:07:16
    we're going to charge more tax to pay
  • 01:07:17
    down our debt this is what happened in
  • 01:07:20
    the UK last few years
  • 01:07:22
    now where do countries position
  • 01:07:24
    themselves from this debt is a control
  • 01:07:26
    the deficit if you can so cut back the
  • 01:07:29
    unnecessary and I'll use this word
  • 01:07:31
    Loosely unnecessary spending
  • 01:07:34
    because what's necessary for one country
  • 01:07:36
    might be unnecessary for another yes
  • 01:07:38
    what's necessary today might not be
  • 01:07:40
    necessary tomorrow or yesterday the
  • 01:07:43
    other part is try and find ways to
  • 01:07:45
    borrow sustainably so for example we
  • 01:07:48
    have a debt management unit that's
  • 01:07:50
    responsible for
  • 01:07:51
    what type of debt do we take how long
  • 01:07:54
    should we go to Banks or should we offer
  • 01:07:56
    the international markets two different
  • 01:07:58
    tools do we need emergency do we have
  • 01:08:00
    Reserve should we draw all of them down
  • 01:08:02
    today or gradually use our strategic
  • 01:08:05
    funds
  • 01:08:06
    for a smaller parts so our mind has been
  • 01:08:08
    managing this carefully for the last few
  • 01:08:10
    years and is adding more tools to better
  • 01:08:13
    management so we borrow 15 maximum
  • 01:08:17
    locally along with drawdown on our
  • 01:08:19
    reserves and this is all in the budget
  • 01:08:21
    to say for example three four hundred
  • 01:08:23
    million from a man investment fund which
  • 01:08:25
    is responsible for providing for
  • 01:08:28
    short-term and long-term Financial
  • 01:08:30
    liquidity for Oman
  • 01:08:33
    the rest where we're going to get it
  • 01:08:34
    from if we need to we go to
  • 01:08:35
    International markets but they're
  • 01:08:36
    looking at our ratings which
  • 01:08:37
    alhamdulillah improved after falling
  • 01:08:39
    sharply
  • 01:08:40
    where our ability today primarily
  • 01:08:43
    because of oil prices and better
  • 01:08:45
    management of our expenditures
  • 01:08:46
    alhamdulillah has improved to stable and
  • 01:08:49
    sometimes a little bit positive meaning
  • 01:08:51
    if we go to International markets
  • 01:08:53
    there's a premier that we usually get
  • 01:08:56
    charged as a small country like our man
  • 01:08:57
    with highly volatile revenues to say
  • 01:09:00
    listen if you're going to borrow
  • 01:09:01
    normally under six percent we're going
  • 01:09:04
    to charge you
  • 01:09:05
    seven or eight percent more
  • 01:09:08
    because you may default investors
  • 01:09:11
    compensate themselves and this applies
  • 01:09:13
    to any type of right whether it's rip
  • 01:09:15
    under Islamic sort of sharia compliant
  • 01:09:18
    tools or not these risks are included
  • 01:09:20
    because lending money is a risky
  • 01:09:22
    business yes but
  • 01:09:24
    the better ratings you get
  • 01:09:27
    this premium becomes small doesn't mean
  • 01:09:28
    we can borrow on the cheap
  • 01:09:30
    so public finances becomes critical
  • 01:09:32
    because it means all of our plans our
  • 01:09:34
    Visions all of the things that we depend
  • 01:09:36
    on government either to drive the
  • 01:09:38
    process or provide basic services to
  • 01:09:40
    make sure that those Services reach the
  • 01:09:42
    standard we want may not be possible if
  • 01:09:45
    we drive a ridiculously high debt what
  • 01:09:48
    is the cutoff
  • 01:09:50
    some say 60 of your output some say more
  • 01:09:53
    or less
  • 01:09:53
    primarily it's on your ability to pay
  • 01:09:56
    back
  • 01:09:57
    and I hope inshaallah one day will be
  • 01:10:00
    able to pay back our alhamdulillah we've
  • 01:10:02
    done great stuff in in the in 2022 we've
  • 01:10:04
    repaid back almost three to four billion
  • 01:10:07
    reals worth of debt from those which
  • 01:10:10
    meant what it helps us reduce the costs
  • 01:10:13
    in the future position there is as
  • 01:10:15
    individuals
  • 01:10:17
    there are times where you have to borrow
  • 01:10:19
    do you borrow to go on a trip
  • 01:10:23
    luxury pleasure for the necessities
  • 01:10:26
    necessities education building a home
  • 01:10:28
    because there is equity in your house
  • 01:10:30
    you need to go for health reasons
  • 01:10:33
    whatever it is those are the choices we
  • 01:10:35
    need to make as a government as a
  • 01:10:37
    society but the more informed the better
  • 01:10:39
    decisions we can make
  • 01:10:41
    your highness Dr Adam
  • 01:10:44
    thank you very much for being with us on
  • 01:10:46
    the show there's a lot to talk about
  • 01:10:48
    when it comes to economics but I hope
  • 01:10:50
    today we were able to cover the
  • 01:10:53
    Necessities about economics and I hope
  • 01:10:56
    it was fruitful for our viewers and
  • 01:10:59
    listeners and hope to see you soon thank
  • 01:11:02
    you very much for having me and I wish
  • 01:11:03
    you all the best inshallah thank you
  • 01:11:04
    dear brothers and sisters thank you very
  • 01:11:06
    much for watching and listening to dome
  • 01:11:09
    podcast I'm your host hatim lab Salam
  • 01:11:11
    see you next time
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