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Résumé
TLDRIn this meeting, team members discuss the organization of their project boards, focusing on the Kanban and sprint backlog boards. They address confusion caused by overlapping tasks and unclear references to which board is being used. The team proposes consolidating tasks into a single board to improve clarity and efficiency. They emphasize the need for clear communication and documentation from the phase one team to aid in the design process. The meeting concludes with plans for collaboration and task management moving forward.
A retenir
- 🗂️ Improve board organization for clarity.
- 🔄 Consolidate tasks into a single board.
- 📋 Clear communication is essential.
- 📝 User stories guide the design process.
- 🚧 Report blockers in the sprint backlog.
- 🤝 Collaborate with phase one developers.
- ✅ Review completed tasks regularly.
- 📅 Plan for future meetings effectively.
- 🔍 Focus on task relevance and updates.
- 📊 Use the sprint backlog for new tasks.
Chronologie
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The meeting begins with casual greetings and a brief wait for participants to join. The focus is on improving the organization of various boards to enhance clarity and efficiency.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
A discussion arises regarding the confusion among developers about which Kanban tasks and sprint backlogs are currently in use, highlighting the need for clarity on active tasks and their statuses.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Participants share their experiences with different task boards, with some referring to a specific Kanban task board that seems to be the primary focus for developers. There is a request for screen sharing to clarify which board is being discussed.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
The conversation shifts to the management of tasks within the boards, including permissions for moving tasks between statuses and the need to identify who created certain tasks for better management.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
The group discusses the existence of multiple boards, including a sprint backlog and a Kanban board, and the need to consolidate them to avoid confusion. Suggestions are made to migrate tasks to a single board for better tracking.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
The importance of understanding the purpose of each board is emphasized, with a focus on the sprint backlog and its role in tracking tasks and impediments. Developers are encouraged to document any blockers they encounter.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Next steps are outlined, including a collaborative meeting planned for the following day to discuss issues between phase one and phase two developers, allowing for feedback and input on ongoing tasks.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
The need for clear communication regarding requirements from phase one is highlighted, with developers encouraged to reach out for necessary documentation to aid in their design processes.
- 00:40:00 - 00:47:16
The meeting concludes with a summary of action items, including reviewing the Kanban task board and preparing for the upcoming meeting with phase one developers to address any outstanding questions or requirements.
Carte mentale
Vidéo Q&R
What is the main topic of the meeting?
The main topic is the organization of project boards to improve clarity and efficiency.
What boards are being discussed?
The Kanban board and the sprint backlog board.
Why is there confusion among team members?
There are overlapping tasks and unclear references to which board is being used.
What do team members propose to improve the situation?
They propose consolidating tasks into a single board for better organization.
Who should provide the requirements for the design phase?
The phase one team is expected to provide the necessary requirements.
What is the next step for the team?
The next step is to review the Kanban tasks and migrate relevant tasks to the sprint backlog.
How can developers report blockers?
Developers can add blockers as tasks in the sprint backlog.
What is the purpose of tomorrow's meeting?
It is a collaborative space for phase one and phase two developers to discuss issues and share feedback.
What should developers do with completed tasks?
They should mark them as done and migrate them to the appropriate board.
What is the significance of the user story in the design process?
User stories help in understanding user experience and guide the design of the system.
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- 00:00:59hi hi
- 00:01:02how are you doing oh good thank you
- 00:01:07you're welcome
- 00:01:09uh let's wait three minutes okay
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- 00:02:01hello everyone hi Christie how are you
- 00:02:03doing thank you how are you doing thank
- 00:02:07you
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- 00:02:39we are waiting for the orders to enter
- 00:02:42in the meeting got it thank you for
- 00:02:44letting me know
- 00:03:11[Music]
- 00:03:46hi
- 00:03:49hello hello how are you i'm fine thank
- 00:03:51you for asking great
- 00:04:10okay
- 00:04:21pretty so yesterday and
- 00:04:25um
- 00:04:27another
- 00:04:29and I'd like to take a few minutes to
- 00:04:32talk about how we can improve the
- 00:04:34organization of the
- 00:04:36the boards to make things clear and more
- 00:04:40efficient for everyone uh as you have
- 00:04:44noticed we going to have several boards
- 00:04:46some uh overlapping others unclear and
- 00:04:50which has led to confusion and I would
- 00:04:54like to understand which one you are
- 00:04:56using now which board you are using now
- 00:05:06u so yeah the same question that Rachel
- 00:05:08really asked um to all the developers
- 00:05:10basically because u uh if you know like
- 00:05:13uh I had even uh mentioned um in the
- 00:05:15message in the chat window that there
- 00:05:16are like I think two canban tasks um and
- 00:05:19there's also the sprint backlog uh but
- 00:05:22we are unsure that what really the
- 00:05:24developers are referring to uh because
- 00:05:27uh it's not getting clear and plus u are
- 00:05:29you in fact referring as I mean as like
- 00:05:31to any of the task for like the canban
- 00:05:33or even the range backlog is it still
- 00:05:35active or it's not being seen so that's
- 00:05:37something that we're curious to
- 00:05:43Right
- 00:05:45yeah hi Anaka uh so for me I always look
- 00:05:48at the uh uh task name to dashanban
- 00:05:51taskboard which has to do in progress
- 00:05:53and done tasks listed so I always look
- 00:05:55at that and you might have any yeah
- 00:06:00this is the which you you are using uh
- 00:06:03no she's saying the two dash the one
- 00:06:05that comes with the uh the um uh I think
- 00:06:08the AI team uh that has the two dashan
- 00:06:12dashboard uh wait let me just Can you
- 00:06:14share your screen
- 00:06:18uh okay you're telling me that no
- 00:06:22sorry uh yeah okay
- 00:06:35uh yes just give me a second okay sorry
- 00:06:38oh no
- 00:06:43problem uh I'll have to quit and re like
- 00:06:45rejoin because it is asking for
- 00:06:47permission just give me one minute okay
- 00:06:49uh I think till then should I just try
- 00:06:51to see if I can share to just show uh
- 00:06:54let me just see if I can do that uh
- 00:06:56share the screen
- 00:07:00uh are you able to see it now
- 00:07:04yeah okay so I think they uh uh Miha are
- 00:07:06you referring to to this one the two
- 00:07:08dash scan passport is that what you're
- 00:07:10referring to
- 00:07:12okay
- 00:07:14so so is uh uh Okay so is Niha there or
- 00:07:18no she did log out and come back again
- 00:07:21okay so I think she's what she's
- 00:07:22referring to is this that comes in under
- 00:07:25the Yeah
- 00:07:27ai team the two dash canban task so so
- 00:07:30is everyone like are all the developers
- 00:07:33referring to this or is it just that
- 00:07:35Niha is referring to that yeah yes this
- 00:07:37is the one yeah yeah so yeah you were
- 00:07:40saying something
- 00:07:46uh I'm sorry i think you have some
- 00:07:48networks right because your voice is
- 00:07:50going to
- 00:07:53get for this same board okay okay so
- 00:07:56Criti you're also referring to the same
- 00:07:57board okay got it and what about the
- 00:08:00other developers are they also referring
- 00:08:01to this or something else yeah this is
- 00:08:03the board I've seen
- 00:08:06okay I know there is another board yeah
- 00:08:08okay okay so okay so two-can band is the
- 00:08:12one that is I am believing that all the
- 00:08:13developers are looking into right
- 00:08:18yes okay wait I'll just stop sharing for
- 00:08:20now because that's okay and the other
- 00:08:23comb with that get test yeah so so there
- 00:08:26was uh yeah that was another question
- 00:08:28that now okay so one thing is clear that
- 00:08:29the two dash convent was the one that
- 00:08:31all I'm assuming all the developers are
- 00:08:34referring to but we also found one that
- 00:08:36is um in um uh just a second let me let
- 00:08:40me first get into oh
- 00:08:45uh I think it was in the space guy
- 00:08:47journey as well right yeah in this chat
- 00:08:51yeah in this chat there is one dashban
- 00:08:53task so is any of you referring to this
- 00:08:57Yeah not me okay okay uh so uh I don't
- 00:09:02know do any of you know who has really
- 00:09:04created it or we can get to know who has
- 00:09:06created that
- 00:09:08um I will share the the combo just a
- 00:09:11minute yeah yeah yeah and
- 00:09:14it's this this word with number one I
- 00:09:19this this
- 00:09:25okay I don't know but I don't know who
- 00:09:27created
- 00:09:29this it's
- 00:09:31completed February okay guys do you know
- 00:09:34what means
- 00:09:42this
- 00:09:47guys
- 00:09:51no okay I think it's done this
- 00:09:57why okay let me delete this and add
- 00:10:07What is that in progress uh is there
- 00:10:08anyone else with this assignment
- 00:10:11why the
- 00:10:13move do you need a permission or
- 00:10:15something yeah
- 00:10:17oh not understood just a
- 00:10:20minute okay so that is completed why why
- 00:10:24I can't move to to the or done
- 00:10:30uh I think the one who created it can do
- 00:10:33it is that the thing sorry you mean the
- 00:10:35one the one who must have created that
- 00:10:37task is the only one who can move it i
- 00:10:39think so is that the thing
- 00:10:41i understand sorry okay so I'm saying
- 00:10:44the one who must have created the task
- 00:10:45this task like the the one that you're
- 00:10:47clicking on the research and define
- 00:10:48thing so I think one who who must have
- 00:10:50created this task can move that task
- 00:10:52from like uh I think from I think so
- 00:10:54that's that because uh only that person
- 00:10:56can change it if that person is done
- 00:10:57with it you can change it from in
- 00:10:58progress to done or something like that
- 00:11:00uh can anyone else have any input on
- 00:11:02that is there you know do you have any
- 00:11:03idea about it i think that is how it is
- 00:11:06yes it's all completed we we can remove
- 00:11:09this board but I think it's better ask
- 00:11:11for to Sonita and Oh this is not a
- 00:11:17sign we have to ask to Emma you see we
- 00:11:22can remove this boards
- 00:11:25because no flat flat said to me
- 00:11:29to use the comb in this set okay in the
- 00:11:33strat yes so we have to
- 00:11:36remove from here this one we
- 00:11:48have has to be great to
- 00:11:52condone this to that
- 00:11:55to to this set
- 00:11:59okay okay yeah and guys do you know I
- 00:12:05didn't understand why this this this
- 00:12:07backlog the name is sprint backlog if we
- 00:12:11have this column product backlog and UI
- 00:12:15and sprint backlog
- 00:12:20here who can explain this to me to to us
- 00:12:23to
- 00:12:28me guys
- 00:12:35hi hello hi uh can you help me
- 00:12:40yeah yeah
- 00:13:04hello okay okay so that when I joined
- 00:13:07team I think all I'm not really sure
- 00:13:11about how what it means about reelecting
- 00:13:14the
- 00:13:16uh okay quickly so let me let me get it
- 00:13:17right so you're saying that these uh the
- 00:13:19the sprint backlog items were already
- 00:13:21there before you joined is that what
- 00:13:23you're saying
- 00:13:24yes yes
- 00:13:30correct that one of the tasks that we
- 00:13:32have
- 00:13:33are getting the proper documentation on
- 00:13:36getting us
- 00:13:39and putting it together so I I remember
- 00:13:42this last meeting but the
- 00:13:45other already there before uh I even
- 00:13:48joined the
- 00:13:49team okay okay so it was already there
- 00:13:52before okay
- 00:14:04yeah same for me like when I joined the
- 00:14:06team the battle was already there
- 00:14:32So but any of you are referring to that
- 00:14:34sprint backlog right now or you're just
- 00:14:35referring to that two dash scan van task
- 00:14:36for for the task
- 00:14:39so I usually refer the dashboard okay
- 00:14:42and what about others like listen
- 00:14:46uh yeah I I do
- 00:14:49well I think the best person to ask
- 00:14:51about this is Emanuela um I think since
- 00:14:53we split um split off like uh from since
- 00:14:57we split into phase one and phase two I
- 00:14:59think Emanuela has been the um the the
- 00:15:03scrum master at the time i I didn't
- 00:15:05enter like uh specific things on the u
- 00:15:07on on the on the task list so I would
- 00:15:09assume Emanuel is the person who did
- 00:15:11kind of start and kind of put things on
- 00:15:13that uh on those boards so I feel like
- 00:15:16uh Emanuel probably is the best person
- 00:15:18to find out how it's there why why is
- 00:15:20there
- 00:15:22okay thanks thanks person so um yeah I
- 00:15:24hope I hope we can get some answers from
- 00:15:25MR
- 00:15:27yeah so you all are going now to the two
- 00:15:30dash band dashboard that's something
- 00:15:31that is clear so that's good okay
- 00:15:36uh let me
- 00:15:38see what do you do you like to propose
- 00:15:41uh I'm asking for everyone because we we
- 00:15:44have many boards now and what we think
- 00:15:47to create uh uh just one board and
- 00:15:52Suzelle had to write the ethics and
- 00:15:54after we will have to break down the
- 00:15:56user stories what do you think about
- 00:15:59this
- 00:16:08i'm I'm okay to use anyone that like all
- 00:16:10collectively decide maybe I think the
- 00:16:12guys the SC master could just decide one
- 00:16:14one to use and then we can just follow i
- 00:16:16don't I don't feel like it's
- 00:16:17particularly uh an issue which one that
- 00:16:19we use but we just have to use the same
- 00:16:20one
- 00:16:22because now in this backlog uh we have
- 00:16:26some tasks uh so is the responsible let
- 00:16:31me see Wilson you have one here no yeah
- 00:16:37an back end model and API feibility let
- 00:16:41me
- 00:16:47share I'm yes because I would like to to
- 00:16:50create just one
- 00:16:52board and uh migrate this this to just
- 00:16:58Uh and we have many many tactics here oh
- 00:17:04hi everyone i think the fan board was
- 00:17:06created later so we can get rid of that
- 00:17:08one sprint block backlog phase 2 was
- 00:17:10there earlier i don't know when it was
- 00:17:12created but I remember sprint backlog
- 00:17:14phase 2 was there when I joined and
- 00:17:15somehow somebody created panban board so
- 00:17:17we can get rid of that pen board and see
- 00:17:20if there is something which we need to
- 00:17:21move from panban board to the sprint
- 00:17:23backlog phase 2 board we can do that you
- 00:17:25can copy paste or try to create a new
- 00:17:28same task there from Kenban board to the
- 00:17:30sprint backlog page two board and get
- 00:17:32rid of that one that would be the
- 00:17:33easiest fix because board is I'm I'm
- 00:17:35pretty sure it's been created afterwards
- 00:17:37and the first one we had was sprint
- 00:17:38backlog phase two board that's my
- 00:17:41preference okay so um okay so maybe we
- 00:17:44can just have the sprint backlog phase
- 00:17:46two and whatever the task that
- 00:17:48developers are referring to from the
- 00:17:49canban task can be moved to the springs
- 00:17:52backlog list and anyway uh we also get
- 00:17:54to know who uh like you know uh who is
- 00:17:56doing that task and all that in the
- 00:17:58sprint backlog right so um is is that
- 00:18:01right so I think we can just have the
- 00:18:02sprint backlog that's what you're saying
- 00:18:03right Samica
- 00:18:06because I think what I please remember
- 00:18:08that once we had some meeting with some
- 00:18:11other more scers and we thought that
- 00:18:13they are trying to go for hybrid kind of
- 00:18:16a model with the sprint as well as
- 00:18:17kanban because kanban doesn't enforce
- 00:18:20the time limit so that's the reason I
- 00:18:22think that has been created whereas
- 00:18:24spend is like two weeks or four weeks
- 00:18:26and whatever is being included in task
- 00:18:28or showing it should be finished in that
- 00:18:29time frame and there was a proposal
- 00:18:31between the scrub masters that we can go
- 00:18:33better a hybrid model where we can have
- 00:18:34kenban board where we don't have to set
- 00:18:36the limit for the task so that's the way
- 00:18:38I think what I remember is the way the
- 00:18:40canban board came in so we can get rid
- 00:18:42of it it doesn't have to many things
- 00:18:43there because it's created later on and
- 00:18:45we can move this up from there to the
- 00:18:46spend backlog
- 00:18:49issue if everybody
- 00:18:51agrees Yes I also think that because and
- 00:18:54I think someone mentioned in one meeting
- 00:18:55that on the Canva task board we can only
- 00:18:57add limited number of tasks i think 10
- 00:18:59was the limit I think
- 00:19:03okay okay so if if everyone is agreeing
- 00:19:04to then uh yeah okay then maybe we can
- 00:19:06just have um the sprint backlog phase
- 00:19:09two as our list for all the task and uh
- 00:19:12the other thing uh was that uh about um
- 00:19:16if any of the developers are having
- 00:19:18having any kind of impediments or
- 00:19:20blockers and can you mention that in the
- 00:19:22sprint backlog uh so that we will get to
- 00:19:24know that what uh your if there if there
- 00:19:26are any blockers in executing your task
- 00:19:28yeah we can add them as a task in the
- 00:19:30sprint backlog
- 00:19:32that is the way it has it can be done so
- 00:19:34sprint backlog can have the task like
- 00:19:36which is uh a blocker or some some setup
- 00:19:38or an environment related issue which
- 00:19:40has to be uh tagged by developers or PM
- 00:19:43or submaster
- 00:19:46oh okay so okay so we will keep the
- 00:19:47frame back as a live thing where we can
- 00:19:49do those okay but the developers can
- 00:19:51also go some and yeah right okay yeah
- 00:19:54thank you
- 00:19:57it's
- 00:20:00uh just a minute so
- 00:20:04uh the next steps what we can
- 00:20:08do just a
- 00:20:18minute oh yeah i asked to Celeste to
- 00:20:22because tomorrow we don't have the
- 00:20:23meeting but we can work in the with the
- 00:20:28boards and I asked to Celeste to talk
- 00:20:30with
- 00:20:32uh to help us with the
- 00:20:36apps because after we have to break down
- 00:20:39the the apps into user stories but now
- 00:20:44what do you think we we can do
- 00:20:47uh for next steps uh Rachel I just had
- 00:20:50one thing uh so I what I think Celis has
- 00:20:54mentioned about tomorrow's meeting um so
- 00:20:56she was saying that we even though like
- 00:20:58um just give me a second so I think she
- 00:21:00was saying that even if you like uh the
- 00:21:03like Bobby and this they are not there
- 00:21:04but we can use tomorrow's meeting as a
- 00:21:06collaborative space between phase one
- 00:21:07and phase two so that all the phase one
- 00:21:10and phase two developers can kind of
- 00:21:11meet and you know uh if they have any
- 00:21:13issues they can discuss so uh so
- 00:21:15tomorrow we do I believe we have the
- 00:21:17meeting but it's more like uh the
- 00:21:19developers can uh from both the phases
- 00:21:21can uh you know kind of talk to each
- 00:21:23other and discuss if they have any
- 00:21:24anything that they want to share or
- 00:21:26anything that they feel they need any
- 00:21:27input or feedback from am I right
- 00:21:30yeah okay yes
- 00:21:33yeah yeah okay
- 00:21:36right so uh I had a sorry you were
- 00:21:39saying something go
- 00:21:43ahead I'm not able hear you Rachel go
- 00:21:46ahead no I don't have a Go ahead i think
- 00:21:49I Yeah okay okay okay so um I I had a
- 00:21:51question like because uh I'm not getting
- 00:21:55aware like what exactly if do the
- 00:21:56developers have um what they are
- 00:21:58actually working on right now and if
- 00:22:00there is anything that they feel that
- 00:22:01they can you know kind of discuss with
- 00:22:03phase one because tomorrow is a chance
- 00:22:04that they can do that in case they need
- 00:22:05any feedback or anything so I just
- 00:22:07wanted to know if uh if any of the
- 00:22:08developers have anything in mind that
- 00:22:10they wish to um you know kind of talk to
- 00:22:12about or is there any what exactly the
- 00:22:14task that has been done by the
- 00:22:16developers
- 00:22:19so I may jump in and uh talk about those
- 00:22:21uh I think from my point of view I mean
- 00:22:23I I think I may have said it in
- 00:22:24different meetings but from from my
- 00:22:26point of view I'm kind of waiting for
- 00:22:27phase one to uh provide more the
- 00:22:29requirement um in whatever form that
- 00:22:31they are kind of putting together um
- 00:22:33because I I see like for phase two I am
- 00:22:37ready to move into the design phase
- 00:22:38given like the requirement uh provided
- 00:22:41by the the phase one team um whether we
- 00:22:43need to create a user story or phase one
- 00:22:45team will give us the user story I think
- 00:22:47it's kind of up for discussions and I'm
- 00:22:49okay either way uh but at this point I
- 00:22:53feel like I'm I think I have done the
- 00:22:54work and I proposed the the
- 00:22:56infrastructures kind of and and the
- 00:22:57tools that we use and I'm in the process
- 00:22:59of kind of learning about those tools
- 00:23:00how to use but u I feel like at this on
- 00:23:03if I'm given like a requirement what the
- 00:23:05user flow looks like I would kind of um
- 00:23:08apply the design on on those requirement
- 00:23:10and then turn it into a test that we can
- 00:23:12actually uh targeted to to develop um so
- 00:23:16that's just the view I have i mean I I I
- 00:23:18mean I I don't think that the phase one
- 00:23:20will need to have everything ready for
- 00:23:22us to see it uh but at least like if
- 00:23:23they give us you know some kind of close
- 00:23:25to finish kind of a requirement or
- 00:23:26document we can just use that to start
- 00:23:28thinking about well how do we design and
- 00:23:31kind of develop different features in
- 00:23:33order to fulfill that requirement given
- 00:23:34the web open UI tools or platform that
- 00:23:36we we kind of decided to use um so any
- 00:23:39anything that we can kind of start
- 00:23:40thinking about as a requirement I think
- 00:23:42that will be helpful so uh Wilson uh so
- 00:23:46what I understand is that you need
- 00:23:47inputs from phase one uh but have you
- 00:23:49tried to um uh there the you know used
- 00:23:52uh the chat window that's been there
- 00:23:53which is common for phase one and phase
- 00:23:55two have you tried uh you know typing a
- 00:23:57message in there is u you no I mean I
- 00:24:00yeah I mean I didn't kind of have that
- 00:24:01direct kind of a request but I I talked
- 00:24:03to Emanuel I think Emanuel was saying
- 00:24:05that she would talk to the phase one
- 00:24:06team and like get that like whatever
- 00:24:09requirement that that they can provide
- 00:24:11so I I
- 00:24:12I sort of I think my understanding is
- 00:24:14Emanuel uh is the one that who who will
- 00:24:16kind of talk to phase one to to get
- 00:24:18whatever um it is available and I did
- 00:24:20attend like the the the joy meeting I
- 00:24:23think phase one team was sharing you
- 00:24:24know some document and I did ask if we
- 00:24:26have that and then they said okay it's
- 00:24:27not ready yet but it will be ready soon
- 00:24:29and I thought we would just be getting
- 00:24:31that but I up to this point I don't
- 00:24:32think I have access to to any of the
- 00:24:34content uh that the phase one team is
- 00:24:36working on okay so uh one thing I I feel
- 00:24:40uh that will you uh is it possible for
- 00:24:42you to attend tomorrow's meeting first
- 00:24:43of all
- 00:24:45um I uh no I am not available tomorrow
- 00:24:48okay uh so uh maybe in tomorrow's uh
- 00:24:51meeting uh if any of the other
- 00:24:53developers can come up uh asking for the
- 00:24:55requirements but I would also feel that
- 00:24:57because because Emma is not there right
- 00:24:59now uh and it shouldn't be something
- 00:25:01that should affect us so um I see that
- 00:25:03Wilson can you just uh maybe type a
- 00:25:06message to any of the teleports or in
- 00:25:07the common chat window that's there uh
- 00:25:09you know just uh just to kind of you
- 00:25:10know ask them have you like kind of you
- 00:25:12know finish the document of the the
- 00:25:13requirement documents so that we can uh
- 00:25:15it can help us for the further designing
- 00:25:16uh process uh can you just try to do
- 00:25:18that and I'm not sure maybe you know if
- 00:25:20any of them can just reply or you know
- 00:25:21if anything further can happen it would
- 00:25:23help uh us what do you think
- 00:25:26um I mean if you say so then I'm fine I
- 00:25:28mean but but I I I want to concentrate
- 00:25:31on the design kind of element um so
- 00:25:34um yeah I don't know if Emanuel I mean
- 00:25:36has already asked for it uh um but yeah
- 00:25:39yeah I understand I I do get your point
- 00:25:41uh that uh but you know sometimes I feel
- 00:25:44because the one thing is um you know
- 00:25:46like even we can ask you know in the
- 00:25:47chat window and that's not a problem at
- 00:25:48all uh but the the thing is that maybe
- 00:25:50as a developer you can uh you know uh
- 00:25:53you can maybe write it well in a sense
- 00:25:55that you can tell what really you really
- 00:25:57want from phase one so that the
- 00:25:58developer can really understand that
- 00:25:59better um and that's why I'm I feel that
- 00:26:02if you could just uh you know um uh you
- 00:26:05know maybe just type a message on the
- 00:26:07chat that you know we just want this
- 00:26:08thing is it ready or something like that
- 00:26:10I don't know whatever you feel right uh
- 00:26:11just so that because as I said Emma is
- 00:26:13not here I don't know uh when she will
- 00:26:15be able to join again so is this
- 00:26:16something that shouldn't you know we be
- 00:26:18we be waiting for that right so so you
- 00:26:21said so she's kind of uh not expecting
- 00:26:24you're not expecting Emanuel to to join
- 00:26:25back anytime soon is that what you uh
- 00:26:28actually I'm not aware of that I'm not
- 00:26:29aware of that it's just that I think
- 00:26:31Rachel do you have any idea because I'm
- 00:26:32really not aware she's sick she's sick
- 00:26:35oh okay i think I talked to her last
- 00:26:38week so I I didn't know that that she
- 00:26:39she's away uh for whatever like reason
- 00:26:42so that's why I was just wondering uh so
- 00:26:44listen I feel uh maybe what if you are
- 00:26:47not comfortable doing that maybe you can
- 00:26:49just send uh you can just write me or
- 00:26:51Rachel uh or you can even in the
- 00:26:52Facebook chat you can just tell us what
- 00:26:54you really want and maybe we can uh you
- 00:26:56know ask the phase one developers will
- 00:26:58will that work for you oh
- 00:27:01um yeah okay so I post something that
- 00:27:04you guys can direct I mean it's not just
- 00:27:06me asking for it right I mean um yeah so
- 00:27:09yeah it's just that you know what I'm
- 00:27:10trying to say is because tomorrow we
- 00:27:12have a meeting where phase one
- 00:27:13developers will also be there so what
- 00:27:14I'm trying to do is that if you can just
- 00:27:16tell us what you really want from phase
- 00:27:18one and if we can just pop it up in the
- 00:27:19chat window maybe something tomorrow you
- 00:27:21know we can talk a little more about
- 00:27:23that and phase one will have a clear
- 00:27:24idea what we really want from them uh
- 00:27:26because otherwise what happens is that
- 00:27:27in the meeting there are a lot of people
- 00:27:28And you know sometimes it just um uh the
- 00:27:31issue is not addressed sometimes uh at
- 00:27:33that particular time so it's better we
- 00:27:35just send it before the meeting so that
- 00:27:37you know hopefully we can talk a little
- 00:27:39more further in during the meeting i
- 00:27:41hope you know you're understanding what
- 00:27:42I'm trying to say uh yeah yeah okay all
- 00:27:45right yeah so maybe just send a message
- 00:27:47to us uh in the Facebook chat and maybe
- 00:27:49we can just uh kind of you know post it
- 00:27:51uh in the comment chat window so that
- 00:27:52hopefully uh we'll see how how uh how
- 00:27:55they respond yeah thank you all right
- 00:27:57all right
- 00:27:59is there anything else from any of the
- 00:28:00other developers that they want to share
- 00:28:02or uh you know any concerns or anything
- 00:28:05at all
- 00:28:11uh yeah I just wanted to ask uh Wilson
- 00:28:13like um I was able to set up the open uh
- 00:28:15web UI and like uh add models to it and
- 00:28:17like um like try out different models uh
- 00:28:20so like as you said like what is the
- 00:28:22next step or should we like get
- 00:28:24something from phase one to like start
- 00:28:25organization
- 00:28:27uh yeah so I think uh that sense for the
- 00:28:29setting it up there and trying the the
- 00:28:31web open web platform so so what I
- 00:28:33imagine doing next basically is um when
- 00:28:36we have the requirement um from phase
- 00:28:38one and we should have we should have an
- 00:28:40idea like what what are the required
- 00:28:42process to to process the flow so I
- 00:28:44think I mean um so user story was
- 00:28:47mentioned earlier right so I I I imagine
- 00:28:49that like if we have to turn the
- 00:28:51requirement into a design then so we
- 00:28:53would go through the user story so
- 00:28:55basically it's like a a a workflow how
- 00:28:57the user will experience with the system
- 00:28:59right so given that user user experience
- 00:29:03then we can started to break down the
- 00:29:05test into smaller pieces so I think I uh
- 00:29:08was mentioning uh perhaps last week too
- 00:29:11so so let's say we have a we have a user
- 00:29:13experience of like a user submitting um
- 00:29:15their linking profile so um then we need
- 00:29:18to we can see well there may be a few
- 00:29:21tools that we need in order to collect
- 00:29:22the information and process that link
- 00:29:24information right so um so we could have
- 00:29:26a step well so so so when we move to
- 00:29:28that then we can think from the point of
- 00:29:29view of the web open UI so web open UI
- 00:29:31has uh the tools it has the functions
- 00:29:34right if you kind of go through the
- 00:29:35documentation you understand the tools
- 00:29:37uh it's more like a web kind of a is a
- 00:29:39surface that the model can call and use
- 00:29:41to kind of uh process the the
- 00:29:43information uh functions it's more like
- 00:29:45a plug-in like a browser plug-in uh for
- 00:29:47the web open UI so that you can extend
- 00:29:50the functionality of the web open UI
- 00:29:51right so knowing all this then we can
- 00:29:53started to to do the design uh using the
- 00:29:56perspective of the web open web UI right
- 00:29:59so that we can see okay for a task of
- 00:30:00like collecting the user uh linking uh
- 00:30:02information and then turn it into
- 00:30:04something that useful and maybe we need
- 00:30:05a tools to convert the URL of the
- 00:30:08LinkedIn profile into a PDF file for
- 00:30:10example so we would bring today a test
- 00:30:12uh to say well well take the URL and
- 00:30:15then turn it into a PDF right so we need
- 00:30:17a developer to build that tools so that
- 00:30:20the model can use right and then the
- 00:30:21next step maybe well after we have the
- 00:30:23link file as a PDF document we need to
- 00:30:26uh store that document into a specific
- 00:30:27knowledge base knowledge base is another
- 00:30:29item that is um defined by the open web
- 00:30:32UI right so we may need another tools to
- 00:30:34say well given the PDF we're going to
- 00:30:35dump it into a knowledge base with this
- 00:30:38name right so we need developer to build
- 00:30:39that tools Right so so by building all
- 00:30:41this individual tools then um we could
- 00:30:44kind of start creating a model to say
- 00:30:46well uh model and this is all the tools
- 00:30:48that we create for you so we can just
- 00:30:50write some prompt to say well uh take
- 00:30:52that uh linking profile information and
- 00:30:54then store that information into um uh
- 00:30:57the the the lottery trades right um then
- 00:31:00I think the the the model could
- 00:31:02potentially intelligent enough to make
- 00:31:04use of the different tools at different
- 00:31:05times and then do the things that we
- 00:31:07want to do right so I think that's where
- 00:31:08the magic happen um I don't know how
- 00:31:10that will work out but I think in theory
- 00:31:12this is what potentially could happen I
- 00:31:13think we need to get to that point to
- 00:31:14eval okay can the model can really do
- 00:31:16that right if not then well maybe we
- 00:31:17need to create more tools or maybe we
- 00:31:18need to change the form to make it more
- 00:31:20explicit what the tools that is
- 00:31:22available for the model so I think we
- 00:31:23need to design like I think we need to
- 00:31:25go through that process to find out how
- 00:31:26effective this kind of fragates but I
- 00:31:28think uh I I hope that we can kind of uh
- 00:31:31slowly go through this process and kind
- 00:31:33of do one at least iteration to see what
- 00:31:35how this works and then we can kind of
- 00:31:36fine-tuning on on the process i hope
- 00:31:39that's clear uh yeah I did understand
- 00:31:42that uh so I was just asking like uh
- 00:31:44what should be the next so like should
- 00:31:45we like look at other functionalities of
- 00:31:46web UI or like like right now yes I
- 00:31:49think so I'm kind of doing that like uh
- 00:31:51like just just learn so that when uh we
- 00:31:54actually start doing design that we know
- 00:31:56different components right so we need to
- 00:31:57come up with a tools and come up with
- 00:31:59the functions
- 00:32:00maybe so so collective functions and
- 00:32:03tools and and knowledge base will will
- 00:32:06kind of uh eventually like create a
- 00:32:08support at the end right so um so much
- 00:32:10the the more that we know about like
- 00:32:12like all the tools all the kind of
- 00:32:13different functionality of the platform
- 00:32:15then I think we will be more effective
- 00:32:16and and kind of do a better design when
- 00:32:18when we move into uh the design phase
- 00:32:20got it right got it uh so yeah yeah so I
- 00:32:23look at if like more than the model like
- 00:32:25can we add functions like uh and like
- 00:32:27look at what so web UI has does have any
- 00:32:29like inbuilt functions that we can just
- 00:32:31like a model or like we have to like
- 00:32:33look at well so to my knowledge right so
- 00:32:36the model basically is um it's a
- 00:32:39combination of the tools functions the
- 00:32:40knowledge base and then the palm Right
- 00:32:42so um so the um the the functions and
- 00:32:45the tools basically um web open UI has
- 00:32:48like a a store that you can just kind of
- 00:32:50go look up there some kind of a tool and
- 00:32:52some functions that other people build
- 00:32:53and publish on it you can actually
- 00:32:54import those into your own web open
- 00:32:56environment right so so you have you
- 00:32:58know some basic tools or function that
- 00:32:59you can test with uh and then you can
- 00:33:01build more of course right it's
- 00:33:02basically using Python codes to build
- 00:33:04and also as I mentioned like last week
- 00:33:06uh you don't need to be like a a a
- 00:33:08really like well trained developer to
- 00:33:09build new tools and new functions
- 00:33:11because you can actually use the the
- 00:33:13model other like a code writing model or
- 00:33:15like any kind of llama free or whatever
- 00:33:18model uh that can produce code you can
- 00:33:20actually basically give a couple example
- 00:33:22of the existing web open UI tool tools
- 00:33:24or function and then ask the model to
- 00:33:26actually build a new tool or new
- 00:33:27functions for web open UI right so they
- 00:33:29will kind of write the majority of the
- 00:33:30code and then you can test it and and
- 00:33:32see if that uh uh kind of works the way
- 00:33:34you want if not then you ask the model
- 00:33:36to actually change it so nowadays you
- 00:33:37don't need to be a coder to do all this
- 00:33:39because the model can actually write the
- 00:33:40majority of the code you just you just
- 00:33:41have to know know a few step how to do
- 00:33:43that and then knowing u what the model
- 00:33:46creating the code or the result that you
- 00:33:48want if not just give more direction or
- 00:33:50instruction and have the model to revise
- 00:33:51it so I think doing this like many of us
- 00:33:53can create different tools and different
- 00:33:54uh model and kind of create a lot of
- 00:33:56space we need uh and then we will try
- 00:33:58out different to see how the model like
- 00:34:00could make use of all this available
- 00:34:02tools and functions uh in order to
- 00:34:03generate like the chat whatot we wanted
- 00:34:05it so that was kind of required some
- 00:34:07more evaluations a lot of iterations
- 00:34:09right um so I think we will learn that
- 00:34:11when we get there but in general I think
- 00:34:13this is how the development like our
- 00:34:14focus look like got it got uh yeah so
- 00:34:17I'll like try to add some functions like
- 00:34:19yeah and try it out and like how we can
- 00:34:20do that So like when the design is ready
- 00:34:23like we can you know we'll know how to
- 00:34:24do it yeah okay cool thank you so much
- 00:34:27yeah sure
- 00:34:30yeah go ahead so I have the backlog on
- 00:34:34phase one i don't know if this it can
- 00:34:36help you
- 00:34:39does it have the document that they uh I
- 00:34:41mean the link to the document or
- 00:34:42whatever they they I mean I know for
- 00:34:43sure I've seen they share a document
- 00:34:45that sort of uh define like the user
- 00:34:49story or workflow they log in they kind
- 00:34:51of do different things and right so I I
- 00:34:53was
- 00:34:55this is the problem which they are uh
- 00:34:58working
- 00:35:04yeah I think this is the the test list
- 00:35:06right I think they I think I've seen
- 00:35:09like more like the kind of a workflow
- 00:35:11documentation kind of telling okay what
- 00:35:14the password do do you need the
- 00:35:16dashboard
- 00:35:18this is on fade
- 00:35:22one because this is the the same the
- 00:35:26same uh as this
- 00:35:29the just a minute
- 00:35:37yes pbi one PBI 3 PBI 4 PBI 5 six yes
- 00:35:45this is the PBIS
- 00:35:47yeah I think it's a trend here right i
- 00:35:48think that's the that's I think that
- 00:35:49what they refer to like a I think that's
- 00:35:52like a I think they share like a
- 00:35:53document about the journey of of the
- 00:35:55user i think I think that will be
- 00:35:57helpful like to have access to to it uh
- 00:35:59again I think I I've asked that like
- 00:36:00when they shared it in the joint meeting
- 00:36:01and then they said okay it's almost
- 00:36:02ready and I mean I still haven't seen
- 00:36:04anything
- 00:36:10uh so okay Wilson so uh so I think yeah
- 00:36:12okay we'll just u you know uh after this
- 00:36:15meeting you can just uh as we mentioned
- 00:36:16you can just maybe write down what you
- 00:36:18really want the document uh uh for your
- 00:36:20further designing and uh maybe we can
- 00:36:23just post it in the the common chat
- 00:36:24window so that uh hopefully we can get
- 00:36:26some answers and maybe as since you're
- 00:36:28not there in the tomorrow's meeting uh
- 00:36:29hopefully uh the developers maybe
- 00:36:31tomorrow they can uh give us some
- 00:36:33insight so I was just curious to know
- 00:36:34that is that the only thing that is
- 00:36:36blocking us from doing um from the
- 00:36:37froming the designing or is there
- 00:36:39anything else that is blocking us
- 00:36:42um yeah I think that that's the majority
- 00:36:45i think we need the input from from them
- 00:36:46and kind of um start yeah I think I I I
- 00:36:50don't I don't well maybe we need
- 00:36:52something else later but at this point I
- 00:36:54think we need like those requirements in
- 00:36:56order to start like the design phase
- 00:37:00okay so I also had one question that uh
- 00:37:02the two dash kangban task board that uh
- 00:37:04all of us are now referring to um is
- 00:37:07that an active board right now as in are
- 00:37:10are any of the developers doing anything
- 00:37:12any tasks that's been there and it's is
- 00:37:14it still in progress or I mean is it an
- 00:37:17active board right now or it was just
- 00:37:19created before and uh how is that
- 00:37:20happening right now
- 00:37:25so I think I mean I'm not the one to
- 00:37:27create those board like the items but
- 00:37:29there are a few items that are
- 00:37:30associated with be in terms of like the
- 00:37:32to-do I can say um uh I mean I I think
- 00:37:37it's ongoing uh those item in terms of
- 00:37:39like the reviewing the backlog I I feel
- 00:37:40like it could be considered completed
- 00:37:42but I wouldn't I I but I would still
- 00:37:44kind of look into uh uh kind of
- 00:37:46additional kind of a uh uh resources if
- 00:37:50you needed to so I I don't know if I
- 00:37:51could claim I think for for the purpose
- 00:37:53of just like a um kind of cleaning up
- 00:37:56items here um I would say like at least
- 00:37:58like uh for me the the finalized product
- 00:38:00backlog review I think that could be
- 00:38:02considered completed
- 00:38:04um
- 00:38:06um and then um I wasn't sure for uh the
- 00:38:12other ones because I think u I I I think
- 00:38:15it maybe like those tests are created by
- 00:38:17Emanuel like I think she created when we
- 00:38:19have discussions like in a different
- 00:38:21like in the previous week or in in the
- 00:38:25meeting before but I wasn't like exactly
- 00:38:27sure what um I mean it's more like a
- 00:38:30summary of like what we we should do
- 00:38:32like later on or what career summary of
- 00:38:33like our meeting but it doesn't exactly
- 00:38:36that I can be sure of like what exactly
- 00:38:38I would do to complete those um so so I
- 00:38:41I cannot tell for sure if like I mean
- 00:38:43this uh um quickly something that like
- 00:38:46there are certain item that we we
- 00:38:48complete and then we can claim this is
- 00:38:49done um I am not totally like be able to
- 00:38:51say that uh other than the the finalized
- 00:38:54product backlog review then I think we
- 00:38:55can consider that complete okay because
- 00:38:58the idea is that now since we are we'll
- 00:38:59be referring to the sprint backlog uh
- 00:39:01phase two as the only kind board where
- 00:39:03we'll be uh you know kind of jogging
- 00:39:05around the task and uh all those things
- 00:39:07so when like as soon had um kind of
- 00:39:10recommended that you know we can just
- 00:39:12shift the canvan task for tasks into the
- 00:39:13French backlog so for me that the
- 00:39:15question was uh like if whether the
- 00:39:17canvan task for task are really the
- 00:39:18tasks that that are that we are really
- 00:39:20doing or uh you know I mean before
- 00:39:23moving it from one place to another it's
- 00:39:24just that whether to refine it that if
- 00:39:26whether it's really um a task now or no
- 00:39:29or how like you know that was that's
- 00:39:31something that's yeah the question yeah
- 00:39:33uh another for me I think one task was
- 00:39:36assigned uh Tony has been working on
- 00:39:37that but I wanted to add something that
- 00:39:40the canban task board um I think people
- 00:39:42who are not in the team anymore are also
- 00:39:44assigned some tasks so I don't think it
- 00:39:46is up to date uh okay okay i can I can
- 00:39:49suggest that if you see anything in Canv
- 00:39:51board which is assigned to you and
- 00:39:53you're done you can try to comment it
- 00:39:54and then move it on so that we can um
- 00:39:56migrate it to the sprint phase two board
- 00:39:59and the ones which are not there we'll
- 00:40:00keep them for a week or so so that we
- 00:40:02can check with Emma again and take her
- 00:40:04input too before we dissolve that
- 00:40:06particular board so that sounds good to
- 00:40:08everyone
- 00:40:10um is here she's asking sorry
- 00:40:14sorry uh are you here can you hear me
- 00:40:18yes I am hi everyone how are you hello
- 00:40:22hi hi everybody so there is an in the
- 00:40:26page one workflow is that the file you
- 00:40:29are looking for
- 00:40:32yeah I think um I I I think I'm looking
- 00:40:35for I think there's like a journey
- 00:40:37document I've seen they share in the
- 00:40:38meetings and and I thought that like we
- 00:40:40would use that as a requirement to try
- 00:40:42to design um the triple system based on
- 00:40:44on that journey yes yes so
- 00:40:49that is the journey like the whole
- 00:40:52experience they defined but I don't know
- 00:40:54if you you saw another sign
- 00:41:00it was there
- 00:41:02uhhuh
- 00:41:05and this is the one I'm talking about
- 00:41:14are you able to see it yes I can see the
- 00:41:16the the flow trap diagram um yeah I
- 00:41:20think that that I think it will be
- 00:41:21helpful to to to have access to that and
- 00:41:23I think there may be a little bit more
- 00:41:25uh uh not just the the workflow the flow
- 00:41:28diagram but there are kind of some
- 00:41:30description on those individual items um
- 00:41:33uh the like what the box in the flow
- 00:41:35diagram is referring to or what exactly
- 00:41:38um that the user experience uh will need
- 00:41:41to be look like um any details on the
- 00:41:44door will be um
- 00:41:55okay
- 00:42:00maybe are you able to see the time yeah
- 00:42:04we see a process
- 00:42:09okay this is the process the different
- 00:42:11steps
- 00:42:12I know volunteer to do and
- 00:42:18yeah if you can like zoom out a little
- 00:42:20bit we can see more like the whole thing
- 00:42:22I mean I mean which I mean do do we have
- 00:42:25can you share the link or like where do
- 00:42:27we send the link
- 00:42:31so here in the chat I I already sent the
- 00:42:34link for the the workflow and I'm
- 00:42:37sending the link for the cloud process
- 00:42:44And is there anything else I can share
- 00:42:47with you yeah I can open it so that
- 00:42:49that's that's good okay right how about
- 00:42:53the test sita Sita was saying about the
- 00:42:55test sorry
- 00:42:59uh to answer the questions we had the
- 00:43:01confusion we had with spin test board
- 00:43:03and content board i was registering that
- 00:43:05like Miha said that she has some item
- 00:43:07assigned to her if she's done she can
- 00:43:08mark it there so we can migrate it to
- 00:43:10the um print code and then we can get
- 00:43:13rid of those items which we have clear
- 00:43:15visibility in tamb board and then wait
- 00:43:17for another week or so and check with
- 00:43:18Emma also before completely dissolving
- 00:43:20it the next week or so that's what my
- 00:43:22two cents were yeah some of the test
- 00:43:25board on phase two set maybe we can we
- 00:43:29can do in the phase two set what do you
- 00:43:32think about this
- 00:43:34say it again i just missed it
- 00:43:36we have to focus on this let me share
- 00:43:40yeah yeah that would be better
- 00:43:43sorry
- 00:43:45here in this we maybe we can use this
- 00:43:50test
- 00:43:51word to focus only this everything in
- 00:43:55this
- 00:43:57okay we discussed about the chat and we
- 00:43:59already were asking our members to get
- 00:44:01out from that chat so that we can get
- 00:44:02rid of the second chat we had there
- 00:44:04right last few weeks
- 00:44:07back we keep on creating duplicate chats
- 00:44:10duplicate board and all that that will
- 00:44:12be a problem going forward every time I
- 00:44:15don't know who created it so let's let's
- 00:44:18first focus on this one uh this board
- 00:44:20thing and then we'll discuss about the
- 00:44:22chat maybe next time because I remember
- 00:44:24talking about the chat and we told
- 00:44:26everybody to get um remove yourself from
- 00:44:28the chat and then uh we can get rid of
- 00:44:30the duplicate one that was a few weeks
- 00:44:32back
- 00:44:34yeah I think I agree uh so maybe the
- 00:44:36first what will uh is that um the two
- 00:44:38dash canban task board whatever the
- 00:44:40tasks that are there u and if it is
- 00:44:42related to any of the developers uh I
- 00:44:44would just request that you can you know
- 00:44:45just review it uh so that um you'll get
- 00:44:47to know if it is done not done whatever
- 00:44:49and uh yeah as said that maybe we will
- 00:44:52wait for mass input as well so that
- 00:44:53we'll have a better idea and then we
- 00:44:55will I think move all the related that
- 00:44:57are actual that task that are remaining
- 00:44:59we can move those to the sprints backlog
- 00:45:01uh phase two um so I think that should
- 00:45:03be the way forward for now right Yes I
- 00:45:05agree with
- 00:45:06you Rachel is that okay
- 00:45:10yes okay but I think it's um Manuela is
- 00:45:15it maybe just in the next week
- 00:45:18you can wait for a week or so it's not a
- 00:45:20big
- 00:45:22deal and if any developers have to
- 00:45:24create any task for themselves that they
- 00:45:26can use spend board uh instead of pan
- 00:45:29board
- 00:45:31yeah I think that would be uh because
- 00:45:33otherwise it will again keep getting um
- 00:45:34confusing so any new task it will be for
- 00:45:37sure in the French backlog phase two for
- 00:45:38now uh and the again as I said for all
- 00:45:41the developers if please review the
- 00:45:42canban task the two dash canban pass
- 00:45:44dashboard so that if there's any changes
- 00:45:45anything to be done please uh you know
- 00:45:47we can just uh do that and then uh I
- 00:45:50think um yeah yeah so for developers
- 00:45:53that is one thing that we will do that
- 00:45:55please review it and if there's any
- 00:45:57please put it in the sprint backlog I
- 00:45:58think that will be very
- 00:46:06clear So
- 00:46:09uh times
- 00:46:12up anyone has any question
- 00:46:18no uh is there any other developers
- 00:46:20anything else that is bringing that's a
- 00:46:22pro i mean kind of um you know if there
- 00:46:25is anything that you feel that you can
- 00:46:26uh maybe talk to phase one developers
- 00:46:28tomorrow you can just think about it
- 00:46:29today uh because we have a meeting with
- 00:46:31them tomorrow so it'll be a good chance
- 00:46:33uh if you if you feel that you need
- 00:46:34something more or you feel that you need
- 00:46:36a need some kind of feedback or help in
- 00:46:38that uh so yeah yeah
- 00:46:50that
- 00:46:55okay
- 00:47:00guys okay thank you Okay bye everyone
- 00:47:04thank you byebye thank you bye bye bye
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