Tom Slick: Not the Cartoon | STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW
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TLDRIn this episode of Stuff You Should Know, Josh and Chuck delve into the enigmatic life of Tom Slick, a man described as "the most interesting man you've never heard of." Slick was a wealthy adventurer whose pursuits ranged from scientific innovation to cryptid hunting. Born into affluence, Slick utilized his resources not for personal gain, but in the pursuit of knowledge and betterment of humanity, founding scientific institutes still influential today. Slick's curiosity led him to seek out cryptids like the Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster, making multiple expeditions to uncharted territories armed with modern tools of his time. His ventures created tales that bordered on the mythical, including an involvement with Hollywood actor Jimmy Stewart, who allegedly smuggled what was believed to be a Yeti's thumb on his behalf. Despite his seeming whimsical pursuits, Slick made significant contributions to science, notably in genetic research, including the development of the brangus cattle breed. His life intersected with espionage rumors during WWII, suggesting possible CIA connections. Tragically, he died in a plane crash at 46, but his legacy continues through the scientific institutions he established. The podcast also highlights the recent release of "Tom Slick: Mystery Hunter," a scripted portrayal of his life, voiced by Owen Wilson. This episode paints a picture of a man whose life's work illustrates the balance between whimsy and genuine scientific curiosity, making significant yet unconventional impacts in his lifetime.
A retenir
- 🔍 Tom Slick was an adventurer fascinated with cryptids like the Yeti.
- 🌐 He made significant contributions to science and founded institutions that continue to influence today.
- 🕵️ Rumors suggest Slick was involved in espionage activities during WWII.
- 🎭 Hollywood actor Jimmy Stewart allegedly helped with one of his Yeti expeditions.
- 🐮 He created the brangus cattle breed, showcasing his interest in genetics.
- 🚀 Slick's life intersected significantly with historical events and figures.
- 🇮🇳 He was involved in helping the Dalai Lama during a crisis period.
- 🛩️ Tragically, he died young in a plane crash, leaving a lasting scientific legacy.
- 🎙️ "Tom Slick: Mystery Hunter" is a fictional podcast illustrating his adventurous life.
- 💡 Slick's pursuits highlight the blend of whimsy and scientific curiosity.
Chronologie
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
Josh and Chuck introduce the episode focused on Tom Slick, often regarded as the most interesting man few people have heard of. They discuss how Tom Slick was a wealthy adventurer, philanthropist, and intellectual curious about phenomena like the Loch Ness Monster and Yetis. Despite his wealth, he used his resources to engage in scientific pursuits to help humanity.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
Tom Slick Jr. was influenced by his father, Tom Slick Sr., a successful oil Wildcatter. His father's early success made the family wealthier, but his untimely death at 46 profoundly impacted Tom Jr. His mother remarried to her brother-in-law, Charles Urell, after both their spouses died. Tom's upbringing was filled with wealth, and he retained a fascination for adventure and exploration instilled by his father.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
A significant event in Tom's youth was when his stepfather, Charles Urell, was kidnapped by the gang led by Machine Gun Kelly. Urell kept his cool allowing the FBI to catch the criminal. During the incident, Tom was away, having gone to boarding school and later planning an adventurous trip in Europe in search of the Loch Ness Monster, piquing his lifelong interest in cryptids and exploration.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Tom Slick delved into crossbreeding animals, driven by scientific curiosity rather than profit. He created the Brangus cattle, a crossbreed suited for hot, arid countries. Meanwhile, his interest in cryptozoology led him to expedition in search of cryptids like Yetis. His work in breeding and research showed his commitment to applying his wealth towards human advancement and understanding nature.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Slick developed Science City near San Antonio, founding several research facilities that contributed significantly to science, with projects spanning from animal hybridization to producing oral contraceptives. His wartime work included potentially acting as a spy in Chile, targeting Nazis, which adds to the enigma of his diverse interests and secretive life. His family believed he was involved in espionage.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
He married twice but eventually preferred single life focused on adventures and filling his curiosity. He founded several research institutions that had a significant positive impact on science, such as introducing Brangus cattle and developing steps in cancer research. His method of engaging with questions was to use his wealth to foster solutions, never fearing failure, and always learning.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Slick's expeditions looking for the Yeti were well-equipped with tranquilizers and tracker dogs, aiming to capture rather than kill. During these quests, he collected footprints and hair samples but found no definitive evidence. Allegedly, he was involved in helping the Dalai Lama escape Tibet. Slick’s fascination with the unexplained blurred the lines between scientific inquiry and mystical beliefs.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
Tom Slick supported cryptozoological endeavors even with his involvement in secretive CIA missions across Asia. He collected potential evidence of Yetis and engaged Hollywood with figures like Jimmy Stewart potentially aiding in collecting biological samples. Despite no conclusive findings of Yetis or Bigfoot, these pursuits illustrated his diverse passions from science to fringe theories.
- 00:40:00 - 00:48:30
Slick tragically died at the same age as his father, leaving a legacy of scientific institutions and contributions that substantially advanced human knowledge. He was a prominent patron of the arts, and his planned biopic by Nicolas Cage was canceled. Tom Slick's multifaceted life is now part of a fictionalized podcast featuring Owen Wilson, showcasing the adventurous and investigative spirit that defined him.
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Questions fréquemment posées
Who was Tom Slick?
Tom Slick was a wealthy adventurer and innovator known for his contributions to science and his expeditions looking for cryptids like the Yeti.
What is Science City?
Science City was one of Tom Slick's dream projects, a scientific research hub that he began developing in San Antonio.
What did Tom Slick do in Chile during WWII?
There is speculation that Tom Slick was involved in espionage activities in South America during WWII, possibly helping to catch Nazis.
Why is Tom Slick associated with cryptids?
Tom Slick had a fascination with the unknown and conducted several expeditions in search of creatures like the Yeti, driven by curiosity and scientific interest.
What are some of Tom Slick's contributions to science?
He contributed to the development of the brangus cattle breed and was involved in early chemotherapy research, among other scientific endeavors.
Did Tom Slick have any interactions with the CIA?
There are suggestions of potential cooperation with the CIA, especially related to activities in Tibet during the Chinese invasion.
How did Tom Slick die?
Tom Slick died in a plane crash in 1962 over Montana at the age of 46.
What notable cultural figures are associated with Tom Slick's story?
Hollywood actor Jimmy Stewart is notably linked with smuggling what was claimed to be a Yeti thumb across the border, aiding Tom Slick's expedition.
What is Tom Slick's connection to genetic research?
He was interested in hybridization and helped in the development of new cattle breeds as well as conducting genetic experiments.
What is the podcast "Tom Slick: Mystery Hunter" about?
It is a fictionalized podcast narrated by Owen Wilson, telling stories about Tom Slick's adventurous life and tales.
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- 00:00:00[Music]
- 00:00:01welcome to stuff you should know a
- 00:00:03production of iHeart
- 00:00:10Radio hey and welcome to the podcast I'm
- 00:00:13Josh and there's Chuck and it's just us
- 00:00:15today and we know from experience that
- 00:00:17that's just fine and this is stuff you
- 00:00:20should know the this guy had his finger
- 00:00:23in a lot of different pies that stuff
- 00:00:25you should knows done episodes on
- 00:00:28Edition uh uh yeah I mean this is a
- 00:00:33interesting one because our our friend
- 00:00:36Chad uh Chad did our TV
- 00:00:39Show and Chad is doing a uh or has done
- 00:00:44a podcast a highly fictionalized
- 00:00:47scripted podcast uh for for our company
- 00:00:50for iHeart um you know the company we
- 00:00:53own sure uh about Tom Slick and when he
- 00:00:56was telling me about this uh Owen Wilson
- 00:00:58is voicing it and basic is in it I
- 00:01:00have a small part uh oh really I didn't
- 00:01:03know that yeah yeah I I'll get to that I
- 00:01:05also read that Carlton Fisk is in it uh
- 00:01:09I don't think so the baseball player
- 00:01:12yeah no it's Spix's daughter yeah
- 00:01:14Skyler Fisk Skyler Fisk I always confus
- 00:01:17it with Carlton Fisk the old white sock
- 00:01:19player or Expos uh I thought white socks
- 00:01:22I think among others uh but anyway Chad
- 00:01:25was like dude this guy like he's the
- 00:01:27most interesting man that you've never
- 00:01:29heard of
- 00:01:30MH and I found when I was online
- 00:01:32researching like out outside of San
- 00:01:35Antonio and and maybe Texas in a broader
- 00:01:38sense like there aren't a ton of people
- 00:01:42who don't think that Tom Slick is just
- 00:01:43the name of a cartoon that has nothing
- 00:01:45to do with this guy yeah did you ever
- 00:01:48watch Tom Slick when you were younger oh
- 00:01:50the cartoon yeah
- 00:01:52sure I never did yeah I watched a lot of
- 00:01:55Rocky and Bullwinkle but I'd never heard
- 00:01:57of Tom Slick until I started researching
- 00:01:58this cat yeah it was like a Georg of the
- 00:02:01Jungle
- 00:02:01partner show but yeah I just I mean it
- 00:02:04was even I mean it wasn't hard to find
- 00:02:06information online but it wasn't as easy
- 00:02:09as a lot of people and considering all
- 00:02:11the like kind of crazy extraordinary
- 00:02:13things he did in his life I ran into the
- 00:02:15exact same issue where like there's a
- 00:02:18lot of stuff I don't even want to say a
- 00:02:20lot but there's a substantial enough
- 00:02:22amount of um articles and sources about
- 00:02:25him online but they all contain just
- 00:02:28basically like oneoff anecdotes yeah and
- 00:02:30it's like wait I don't I don't quite
- 00:02:33understand like how did this incident
- 00:02:34like help form his outlook on life like
- 00:02:37I there's not a complete picture of that
- 00:02:39dude and it drives me crazy yeah because
- 00:02:41I like to understand the whole thing you
- 00:02:45know I love how the parts kind of make
- 00:02:46up a hole and I feel like with this guy
- 00:02:49I largely just have Parts even though
- 00:02:51you know if I put them together mhm you
- 00:02:53got a he's he's like a jigsaw with a
- 00:02:55bunch of missing places but I still can
- 00:03:00kind of see the the picture and it's
- 00:03:02that he was a pretty cool and
- 00:03:03interesting dude and seems to have been
- 00:03:05a genuinely good dude too yeah had
- 00:03:08Nicholas Cage pulled off the uh film
- 00:03:11adaptation of his life all your prayers
- 00:03:13may have been answered my friend yeah I
- 00:03:15heard that that one was cancelled
- 00:03:17because he was doing it so weird every
- 00:03:19time Tom Slick ran into a problem or an
- 00:03:21issue and was upset Nicholas Cage would
- 00:03:24just go
- 00:03:29for like five minutes and it took up it
- 00:03:31added like a good 45 minutes to the film
- 00:03:35and he refused to let them cut a second
- 00:03:36of it I remember one of the funniest
- 00:03:38parts of the uh and when Andy Samberg
- 00:03:41was doing Nick Cage on
- 00:03:43SNL one of the lines really got me one
- 00:03:46week was he was on the weekend update
- 00:03:49and they were talking about some movie
- 00:03:50that came out that he was in you know
- 00:03:51and he's in like 15 movies a year and he
- 00:03:54went it had all the elements of a nit
- 00:03:55Cage movie number one it existed
- 00:04:00that's awesome yeah yeah I like that guy
- 00:04:03a lot
- 00:04:05Samberg Nick Cage yeah and Andy
- 00:04:07samberg's great too and Tom Slick yeah
- 00:04:10for sure I like Andy Samberg uh and but
- 00:04:13I hadn't seen I never really watched
- 00:04:15Brooklyn 99 um I saw the most work he
- 00:04:19did in That's My Boy which I actually
- 00:04:22loved like I don't think there's a
- 00:04:24Sandler movie out there that I don't at
- 00:04:26least like I did not see that and there
- 00:04:28are many many Adam Sandler movies I have
- 00:04:31not seen I know it's the shame of the
- 00:04:33podcast yeah but I did watch the first
- 00:04:35couple of seasons of Brooklyn 99 and it
- 00:04:37it's great okay well Adam Sandler wasn't
- 00:04:40on that as far as I know so that doesn't
- 00:04:41count I don't think so so let's talk
- 00:04:44about Tom Slick huh yeah I mean one of
- 00:04:47the problems with Tom Slick is
- 00:04:48separating fact from fiction because
- 00:04:50he's one of these guys that live sort of
- 00:04:52an extraordinary curious filled
- 00:04:54adventurous life uh and right off the
- 00:04:56bat the fact that he was born on either
- 00:04:59May 6 and I also saw May 9th um it just
- 00:05:02may have been the way things were back
- 00:05:03then uh this was in 1916 and he was a
- 00:05:06junior to Thomas Baker slick senior who
- 00:05:10was a guy that really rubbed off on his
- 00:05:13son because he had the same sort of
- 00:05:15adventurous Spirit as an as an oil man
- 00:05:18yeah Tom Baker slick senior was King of
- 00:05:20the Wildcats and a Wildcatter is
- 00:05:23somebody who goes around just drilling
- 00:05:25oil wells in places where it's not at
- 00:05:27all clear that there's going to be oil
- 00:05:29they're very hopeful Prospectors right
- 00:05:32yeah and that's how he spent like his
- 00:05:34early career and then finally he just
- 00:05:37hit Pay Dirt uh it was called I think
- 00:05:40the wheeler one well in Bristo Oklahoma
- 00:05:43and it became one of the most productive
- 00:05:45wells in America it was pumping out like
- 00:05:48over 300,000 barrels a day I got another
- 00:05:51stat for you uh at the time what would
- 00:05:54become Cushing oil field was responsible
- 00:05:56for 2third of the oil production in the
- 00:05:59West
- 00:06:00hemisphere man so yes I guess it goes
- 00:06:04without saying that um Tom Slick Senor
- 00:06:06made himself and his family Rich beyond
- 00:06:09their wildest dreams and so um Tom Slick
- 00:06:13Jr grew up a rich kid um and that's a
- 00:06:18huge thing that was a huge like part of
- 00:06:21his formative upbringing he was
- 00:06:24extraordinarily wealthy but he was a
- 00:06:27rare rich kid that took that wealth and
- 00:06:30put it to good use and also used it to
- 00:06:32just totally free himself from you know
- 00:06:34the pursuit of making a profit or
- 00:06:36turning a dollar or whatever he did
- 00:06:38things because he was curious about
- 00:06:39stuff and because he wanted to help
- 00:06:41Humanity yeah but you know when you're
- 00:06:43working that much obviously you're not
- 00:06:44going to be around your family as much
- 00:06:47um Tom had a couple of siblings and you
- 00:06:49know Dad just wasn't around because they
- 00:06:51lived in Pennsylvania as a family
- 00:06:53obviously the oil is out west so pops
- 00:06:55was in Oklahoma and Texas most of the
- 00:06:57time working these long hours
- 00:07:00uh and those long hours did him in when
- 00:07:02he died at only 46 years old of a stroke
- 00:07:05uh which was a you know a huge loss for
- 00:07:08young Tom because he even though Dad
- 00:07:10wasn't around that much I get the
- 00:07:11feeling that he kind of idolized him and
- 00:07:13really revered him yeah he definitely
- 00:07:15followed in his footsteps too in a lot
- 00:07:17of ways yeah so he was 14 years old at
- 00:07:20the time and uh you know it it was a
- 00:07:22huge
- 00:07:23loss it was I also saw that he'd become
- 00:07:26so revered and respected in Oklahoma
- 00:07:29that um when he passed away the oil dcks
- 00:07:33in the Oklahoma City Field which is one
- 00:07:35of the biggest fields in the country the
- 00:07:38they went silent for an hour so every
- 00:07:40Oil Man in Oklahoma who had a Derek in
- 00:07:43this field stopped making money for an
- 00:07:46hour out of respect for Tom senior I
- 00:07:48think that says an enormous amount about
- 00:07:50him or maybe they were just
- 00:07:52hungry it could have been I guess sure
- 00:07:55so after Dad dies uh mom did something
- 00:07:58that was you know pretty common back
- 00:08:00then or you know not more common than it
- 00:08:02feels like it is now which is uh
- 00:08:04marrying your dead spouse's brother or
- 00:08:08sister uh her brother-in-law was uh
- 00:08:12Charles urel uh because he was married
- 00:08:14to Tom's sister Flo who also died around
- 00:08:17the same time um this is all just bad
- 00:08:20luck of course nothing nothing weird
- 00:08:21went on uh and they got together and got
- 00:08:24married yeah they had a leverate
- 00:08:26marriage like we talked about in the
- 00:08:28widows episode so from what I can gather
- 00:08:31um Charles ersel was a good stepfather
- 00:08:33to Tom and Tom was happy to have him I
- 00:08:36mean it was his uncle already right so
- 00:08:39um he was quite concerned when he was 17
- 00:08:42he was home from exiter the boarding
- 00:08:44school uh for the summer um back at
- 00:08:47Oklahoma City by this time the whole
- 00:08:49family had moved to Oklahoma City and
- 00:08:50was living in a mansion the Slick urel
- 00:08:53family and on July 22nd
- 00:08:561933 uh while everybody's just kind of
- 00:08:58hanging out Machine Gun Kelly came
- 00:09:00knocking on the door with a few of his
- 00:09:03uh his cronies and said we are taking
- 00:09:06Charles urel with us which one of you
- 00:09:08two men is Charles urel and urel's
- 00:09:11friend Walter Jarrett was did one of the
- 00:09:13most standup things a friend can do when
- 00:09:15you're being
- 00:09:16kidnapped yeah he just stood silently
- 00:09:19and sort of nudged his nose over toward
- 00:09:22urel right his his eyes are going like
- 00:09:24way left over here uh no one picked up
- 00:09:27on that no I'm kidding he neither one of
- 00:09:29them said anything and you know I guess
- 00:09:31they were sort of together in this MH
- 00:09:33and so they took them both uh and that
- 00:09:35you know that's what happened they
- 00:09:36kidnapped both these guys they would
- 00:09:38eventually find Jarrett's ID so they uh
- 00:09:41dumped him um on the side of the road
- 00:09:43and took urel to rural Texas to a ranch
- 00:09:47and demanded 200 Grand in Ransom which
- 00:09:50is close to 5 million bucks today yes
- 00:09:53this was a hugely um uh consequential
- 00:09:57event right so that that um slick Jr's
- 00:10:00tangentially involved in um because when
- 00:10:03Charles urel was being held he really
- 00:10:06kept his head about him uh and depending
- 00:10:08on who you ask either he noted the time
- 00:10:11of day the times of day that a train
- 00:10:14passed by nearby or that planes flew
- 00:10:17overhead to try to get an idea of where
- 00:10:20he was he put his fingers on everything
- 00:10:22he could to leave
- 00:10:24fingerprints um and he also counted the
- 00:10:26steps anywhere he went when he was
- 00:10:28blindfolded so so when he was released
- 00:10:31and thankfully he was released uh
- 00:10:33unharmed for a $200,000 Ransom um he was
- 00:10:38able to tell the feds like hey here's
- 00:10:41everything you need to know about going
- 00:10:43and finding this Ranch where they took
- 00:10:44me and they did they found it rather
- 00:10:46quickly yeah he was also timing how long
- 00:10:48the trains were uh and if you know how
- 00:10:51many trains are passing in a sort of
- 00:10:53general area how big these trains are I
- 00:10:57think that allowed them to literally go
- 00:10:58to train schedule
- 00:11:00in that part of Texas and figured this
- 00:11:02thing out so he was he was a very smart
- 00:11:04guy um and they were you know they
- 00:11:07arrested uh Miga and Kelly fled but they
- 00:11:10arrested the other guys they were able
- 00:11:11to track down Kelly and Memphis and he
- 00:11:14went to Alcatraz for the rest of his
- 00:11:16life yeah so not only did he go to
- 00:11:18Alcatraz Machine Gun Kelly did but this
- 00:11:21is where we talked about in the Jer
- 00:11:23Hoover episode where gmen was coined
- 00:11:25because they went to come get him and uh
- 00:11:28when they busted in the door he said
- 00:11:29don't shoot gmen and that's where their
- 00:11:31nickname came from just like we talked
- 00:11:33about in the Hoover episode that
- 00:11:35happened from this so this is what I'm
- 00:11:36saying like Tom Slick his life really
- 00:11:40spreads out into a lot of different
- 00:11:42stuff you should know episodes and yet
- 00:11:44we'd still never ran across him in our
- 00:11:46research which is strange to me yeah he
- 00:11:49was a big backer of science that's
- 00:11:51something that you're going to see that
- 00:11:51kind of pops up again and again in his
- 00:11:53life right uh stemming from his just
- 00:11:56Natural Curiosity and he was a very very
- 00:11:58smart dude he went went to Yale and was
- 00:12:00into genetics and was really and this
- 00:12:02was a time when you know in the
- 00:12:051940s uh Ry Believe It or Not magazine
- 00:12:09and the idea of like crossbreeding
- 00:12:11animals and Cryptids and all these
- 00:12:14things were just it was sort of big news
- 00:12:16or if not big news something people were
- 00:12:18kind of into at the time mhm And he
- 00:12:21supposedly kept a list of like animals
- 00:12:23that he wanted to try and crossbreed uh
- 00:12:26when he read about a a a hog goat um
- 00:12:29that was a hoat that was living in
- 00:12:31Arkansas he drove to Arkansas and bought
- 00:12:35whatever it was I I I don't even know if
- 00:12:36it was like poor things or what he ended
- 00:12:39up with but whatever he brought home he
- 00:12:41tried to breed it on his own Farm uh
- 00:12:43with no luck it was definitely not a hog
- 00:12:46goat because it's physically and
- 00:12:48genetically and biologically impossible
- 00:12:50for them to reproduce so I didn't see
- 00:12:52what it was either just that that didn't
- 00:12:54exist but that didn't stop him from
- 00:12:55trying did you really look that up I
- 00:12:58mean I I was like I got to see this
- 00:13:00thing and there was nothing nothing hoat
- 00:13:03hog goat hog goat crossbreeding nothing
- 00:13:06like that I know but I thought like
- 00:13:08surely there's there's something that
- 00:13:10this I couldn't find any reference to it
- 00:13:13um I also saw in some places that um he
- 00:13:16he basically like went to go buy it and
- 00:13:19realized that these people didn't even
- 00:13:20exist and certainly the ho didn't exist
- 00:13:22but he went and tried it anyway because
- 00:13:24he really liked the idea of it and this
- 00:13:26is when genetics was really new and
- 00:13:28cutting Edge and this guy's into it
- 00:13:30while he's still at Yale you know yeah
- 00:13:33so one of the things he successfully uh
- 00:13:36does cross breed as cattle uh he looked
- 00:13:39at uh the Scottish Angus which is you
- 00:13:41know prized for its uh excellent quality
- 00:13:44beef um they're very very fertile uh and
- 00:13:47then he looked at the Brahman cattle
- 00:13:49from India and he was like these things
- 00:13:51are are great uh they're disease
- 00:13:53resistant they're pest resistant they
- 00:13:55are they do well in drought and they're
- 00:13:57very very maternal much more maternal
- 00:13:59than these Angus oh yeah so let's get
- 00:14:01them together uh put 38 Brahman with 5/8
- 00:14:05Angus and this was one of his big noted
- 00:14:07early successes when he was in his early
- 00:14:1020s he created the brangus cattle uh
- 00:14:12breed that is still around today and
- 00:14:14like highly sought after yeah um I yeah
- 00:14:18I saw that that people still love that
- 00:14:20and it helped introduce the Angus Cattle
- 00:14:22into Texas where they would not have
- 00:14:24done very well before yeah but here's
- 00:14:27the thing though like this sounds cool
- 00:14:29like you think oh this guy's like a
- 00:14:31cattle guy now he's a rich kid looking
- 00:14:32to make more money on this cattle deal M
- 00:14:35uh he was doing it because he wanted to
- 00:14:37introduce a breed of cattle that did
- 00:14:39better in places where there was drought
- 00:14:42uh and there were pests and disease so
- 00:14:44uh one of his business partners was like
- 00:14:46he didn't care about making money on
- 00:14:47this he just he hoped it would help
- 00:14:49people in hot countries not just he
- 00:14:51didn't care he didn't give quote a hoot
- 00:14:53in Hell about making money on brangus I
- 00:14:56wasn't going to say it um I say we take
- 00:14:58a break and come back and you mentioned
- 00:15:00he's in Cryptids let's talk about that
- 00:15:02in a second okay all right we'll be
- 00:15:04right
- 00:15:05[Music]
- 00:15:12[Music]
- 00:15:25back so um I don't know if we said it or
- 00:15:28not but Tom slick got be he developed a
- 00:15:30love of Cryptids um with that he shared
- 00:15:33with his father his father passed on
- 00:15:35like a love of stories about Loch nus
- 00:15:37Monster the Abominable Snowman all sorts
- 00:15:39of adventurous stuff like that um and it
- 00:15:42like you said it really rubbed off on
- 00:15:43Tom Jr and so uh at a pretty early age I
- 00:15:46think he yeah he was still at Yale and
- 00:15:48with some of his buddies he packed his
- 00:15:51red Buick onto a steamer ship and went
- 00:15:54to Europe for a summer where they drove
- 00:15:57around Europe and one of the things on
- 00:15:59his list was to go look for the Loch
- 00:16:01Ness monster and one of the things
- 00:16:03you'll you'll kind of notice about Tom
- 00:16:05Slick is that when he's doing these
- 00:16:07things that today in retrospect seem
- 00:16:09very weird and Flaky at the time there
- 00:16:13was like a lot of evidence that these
- 00:16:16things existed um this was
- 00:16:191937 the next year the cican would be
- 00:16:22rediscovered like it was just kind of in
- 00:16:24the air that there were things out there
- 00:16:26that Sid hadn't identified yet and
- 00:16:28perhaps sness monster was one of them
- 00:16:31yeah and the the very very famous
- 00:16:33picture of uh supposed Nessie was just
- 00:16:35three years prior to that so it was all
- 00:16:37the rage at the time um personally he
- 00:16:41got married pretty quickly uh after Yale
- 00:16:44and got divorced even quicker uh to his
- 00:16:47first wife Betty I guess long enough to
- 00:16:49have a son named William uh but really
- 00:16:51took after his dad in more ways than one
- 00:16:52because he was a very busy guy he was a
- 00:16:56workaholic um he did spend more time
- 00:16:59around his family I get the idea than
- 00:17:01his father did yeah but if you know the
- 00:17:04yeti Came Calling he would go find the
- 00:17:06yeti or try to find the yeti um or if he
- 00:17:09wanted to to open up a new scientific
- 00:17:11research center of which he opened uh
- 00:17:14jeez how many like five of them while he
- 00:17:16was alive yes uh then he would spend his
- 00:17:19time doing that because it was he
- 00:17:21thought it was very worthwhile and it
- 00:17:22was the call of the Yeti by the way is
- 00:17:29Nicholas Cage you could have played the
- 00:17:31yeti and tomslick in the same right yeah
- 00:17:34that would have been like adaptation yep
- 00:17:36exactly um so uh you said that he was a
- 00:17:40little closer with his kids than his
- 00:17:42father I think one of the ways he did
- 00:17:43that was on a lot of his adventures he'd
- 00:17:46bring his kids along with him and um I
- 00:17:48know at least his son Charles Chuck even
- 00:17:53Chuck um has very fond memories of going
- 00:17:56on adventures with his dad so yeah yeah
- 00:17:59he was definitely closer to his kids at
- 00:18:01least experience-wise than he was with
- 00:18:03his father yeah so one big foray into
- 00:18:07the sci scientific side of his life was
- 00:18:10uh science City it was this uh dream
- 00:18:14project that he had had for a long time
- 00:18:15it's very sort of 19 mid 1930s name I
- 00:18:18guess MH um so he opens up science City
- 00:18:21gets the ball rolling um by 1940 they
- 00:18:25had moved to San Antonio which is where
- 00:18:28you know you'll find tomslick Park and
- 00:18:29tomslick everything basically right uh
- 00:18:32which includes a little Nessie statue
- 00:18:34which is kind of cool yeah but you can
- 00:18:35totally tell it's fake yeah yeah it's
- 00:18:38not the real thing uh so he bought 162
- 00:18:41Acres about 8 miles west of San Antonio
- 00:18:44uh that would eventually grow to about
- 00:18:464,000 Acres uh for the SR uh essar Ranch
- 00:18:51uh which is just a a long way of saying
- 00:18:54Sr for scientific research and he was 24
- 00:18:57years old and this is where all that
- 00:18:59brangus stuff happened yeah and you said
- 00:19:01that he founded five research facilities
- 00:19:03in his 20s three of them are still
- 00:19:05around uh one of the first ones he
- 00:19:07established was the foundation for
- 00:19:10Applied research far F or Fair depending
- 00:19:15on how you say it um and that is still
- 00:19:18around that's now the Texas biomedic
- 00:19:20Research Institute and um as we'll see
- 00:19:24these things have had like um
- 00:19:26significant contributions to science in
- 00:19:28the world world uh since they've been
- 00:19:30around yeah for sure and are were all
- 00:19:33those in his 20s from what I understand
- 00:19:35this is all over like a fewe period yeah
- 00:19:38geez that's incredible um he tried to
- 00:19:41enlist in the Navy after Pearl Harbor in
- 00:19:431941 but uh he didn't have good eyesight
- 00:19:46so they said you are not fit for you
- 00:19:48know wartime Duty uh so they
- 00:19:50commissioned him in 1942 as a lieutenant
- 00:19:54and right away said all right you know
- 00:19:57what you're good at is running
- 00:19:59operations uh why don't you go work for
- 00:20:01the war production board and kind of
- 00:20:02help this uh this idea that we have of
- 00:20:06changing over factories for making
- 00:20:07whatever they're making to helping out
- 00:20:09with wartime production uh from there he
- 00:20:12went to DC uh working for the board of
- 00:20:14economic Warfare uh which was actually
- 00:20:17in San Diego Chile and this is where
- 00:20:20things get a little like um who knows
- 00:20:24what happened because his letters and
- 00:20:26Diaries weren't around uh the records
- 00:20:30from what he did in Chile were destroyed
- 00:20:33and we'll never know if or not he was
- 00:20:36like a spy in South America which a lot
- 00:20:39of his family and other people said they
- 00:20:41thought he was I think we know 100% that
- 00:20:43he was a spy in Chile at the time oh
- 00:20:47really just from the circumstantial
- 00:20:50evidence oh okay yeah I thought you
- 00:20:52meant you found something very oh man
- 00:20:54you could write a book if you found that
- 00:20:56uh but yes the family L is that he was
- 00:20:58working in South America as a basically
- 00:21:01a Nazi catcher um helping uh local
- 00:21:04governments and the US catch Nazis who'd
- 00:21:07escaped um which happened there yes
- 00:21:10that's the thing it happened while he
- 00:21:12was there that's one of the operations
- 00:21:14that was going on in South America and
- 00:21:17he was just an American businessman but
- 00:21:20he was also in the Navy and no one knows
- 00:21:23why he was stationed there he never
- 00:21:25talked about it or told anybody I I
- 00:21:27would say that that's pretty much
- 00:21:29certain because if you combine that with
- 00:21:32another thing that he may have been
- 00:21:34operative for or at least related to
- 00:21:37some operatives I I think that it's it's
- 00:21:39pretty certain he was that's my two
- 00:21:41cents at least all right so he got
- 00:21:44married again uh this time to uh in 1947
- 00:21:47to a woman 12 years younger uh she was
- 00:21:5018 at the time and they had three kids
- 00:21:53they also got divorced uh you know again
- 00:21:56he's not around a lot and probably not
- 00:21:58the most
- 00:21:59you know attentive husband when he has
- 00:22:00all these things going on uh and he had
- 00:22:04he you know he's somebody I look up to
- 00:22:05in a lot of ways after sort of finding
- 00:22:07out how he worked certainly not as a a
- 00:22:09husband but uh how he worked as a
- 00:22:13curious person um he seems like the kind
- 00:22:15of guy that he would read and read and
- 00:22:17read just about everything that he could
- 00:22:19and just soak up as much knowledge as he
- 00:22:21could and when he came across something
- 00:22:23that piqu his interest in a particular
- 00:22:26way or that he couldn't figure out he
- 00:22:28had the the resources and the money and
- 00:22:30the time to you know if not solve it try
- 00:22:33to solve it by just saying like all
- 00:22:35right uh pick up the phone let me call
- 00:22:37who I whoever I know or write a letter
- 00:22:39to whoever I know who might be able to
- 00:22:41help out with this and then depending on
- 00:22:43what they say I might hire some people
- 00:22:45to go to work and try and figure this
- 00:22:46stuff out I might work on it myself and
- 00:22:49whatever the outcome he was just about
- 00:22:51trying he wasn't afraid of failing he
- 00:22:53was just he was just trying to find out
- 00:22:55stuff and made his best efforts to even
- 00:22:57if it didn't work out
- 00:22:59yeah just finding out that no one seemed
- 00:23:01to know the answer to that was enough
- 00:23:03for him you know of course he wanted to
- 00:23:04find the answer to the question he was
- 00:23:06looking for but yeah he said I don't
- 00:23:08believe in Failure only outcome like he
- 00:23:09said and that's just what a great motto
- 00:23:11you know I mean that just completely
- 00:23:13transforms your outlook on life yeah I
- 00:23:16mean it's to be clear it is a motto that
- 00:23:19you can afford when you have that kind
- 00:23:21of privilege uh when you can just be
- 00:23:23like hey I'll fail like what's the big
- 00:23:25rub sure uh and he had that privilege
- 00:23:27but he you know in his favor he didn't
- 00:23:29use that privilege to sit around on a
- 00:23:32beach and drink coconut drinks like he
- 00:23:33was trying to better humankind yeah and
- 00:23:37I mean like yes that's a great point but
- 00:23:39I also think that you can apply it to
- 00:23:41all sorts of different things in life
- 00:23:42you know not necessarily just your
- 00:23:44success or your wealth or anything like
- 00:23:46that yeah for sure so um there were he
- 00:23:50there were a lot of things that he used
- 00:23:52this technique for that um came to
- 00:23:54fruition some things may or may not
- 00:23:56exist we're not 100% sure but one thing
- 00:23:59that he definitely did in coinvent that
- 00:24:02did have some consequence to it was
- 00:24:04what's called a lift slab method of
- 00:24:07basically creating a concrete roof those
- 00:24:09are very expensive to make it's very
- 00:24:11difficult to create them in place on the
- 00:24:14roof and he basically figured out a
- 00:24:16technique to make it on the ground and
- 00:24:18then lift it into place sounds kind of
- 00:24:21basic and low hanging but apparently it
- 00:24:22saves a lot of cost and it works so
- 00:24:25that's a pretty good example of him just
- 00:24:27kind of putting his mind figuring a
- 00:24:29better way out it's boring but it's
- 00:24:31still a good example yeah I me that
- 00:24:34wasn't just for roofs it was uh I mean
- 00:24:36if he built a 10-story building he would
- 00:24:38build all 10 floors uh on the ground and
- 00:24:42then hydraulic those suckers up there
- 00:24:44that's man what can't you do with
- 00:24:47hydraulics and we should also mention
- 00:24:49the the lift slab it was um
- 00:24:51simultaneously developed by another guy
- 00:24:53uh named Philip Utes Tom Slick got the
- 00:24:55patent and you know gets all the glory
- 00:24:57for that but
- 00:24:58uh a lot of people still call it the the
- 00:25:00Utes slick method beautiful uh he
- 00:25:04developed a breed of mice uh this was
- 00:25:05early in chemotherapy uh treatments that
- 00:25:08were very useful uh in testing uh we
- 00:25:10mentioned that uh brangus I think my
- 00:25:13favorite is that he um had a thing
- 00:25:16against cxs in your hair so he invented
- 00:25:19a hair tonic that could supposedly
- 00:25:21reverse those cxs yeah in particular
- 00:25:24brangus
- 00:25:25CX come your cow stinkless skunks
- 00:25:28apparent apparently did you see anything
- 00:25:29about this I couldn't really find
- 00:25:30anything on that I I don't know if it
- 00:25:33just went beyond the idea stage one
- 00:25:35thing that definitely happened was uh
- 00:25:37one of his institutes it might have been
- 00:25:38the Southwest Research Institute or the
- 00:25:41Texas biomedic Institute had a huge role
- 00:25:44in producing some of the first oral
- 00:25:46contraceptives that's fairly World
- 00:25:48altering sure and then another one that
- 00:25:51did not come to fruition was called were
- 00:25:53artificial peans peans however you want
- 00:25:56to say it um he decided that the trees
- 00:25:59were way too water intensive especially
- 00:26:01from the perspective of Texas and so he
- 00:26:04wanted to find a way to create pecans
- 00:26:06that did not need to grow on trees and
- 00:26:09like I said it didn't get anywhere I
- 00:26:11cannot for the life of me find what the
- 00:26:13heck he made the artificial pecans out
- 00:26:15of but he definitely gave it a try so
- 00:26:19we've talked a lot about his you know
- 00:26:21work as a a funer of Science and a
- 00:26:23believer in science um kind of maybe not
- 00:26:27weirdly but he was also a guy that um
- 00:26:29really loved the Unexplained and the
- 00:26:31mystical and was not um though he
- 00:26:34believed in science he wasn't he didn't
- 00:26:37necessarily think that those walls
- 00:26:39couldn't be explored uh Beyond you know
- 00:26:42so he went to India as a lot of people
- 00:26:45did in those days who were seeking
- 00:26:47Enlightenment in the
- 00:26:4950s uh saw people walking on hot coals
- 00:26:52uh supposedly um saw llamas and Tibetan
- 00:26:57Monks levitating off the ground is is
- 00:26:59one of his claims he basically um went
- 00:27:01to a Tony Robbins
- 00:27:03convention does he levitate llamas he
- 00:27:06does all sorts of stuff like this that
- 00:27:08yes he does pseudo scientific things
- 00:27:10like this or maybe a David Blaine
- 00:27:13performance yeah yeah I tried to learn
- 00:27:15that method but I I did it okay for a
- 00:27:18little while but it wasn't great what
- 00:27:20levitating well the the illusion that
- 00:27:23you're levitating which is what David
- 00:27:24blae did it's a it's a trick obviously
- 00:27:27isn't it Essen you're basically standing
- 00:27:29on your your toes you're standing on one
- 00:27:32toe you have people at a certain angle
- 00:27:35where when you're raising all of your
- 00:27:37body weight up on the one toe you're
- 00:27:40you're blocking it and with your other
- 00:27:42foot and like pant leg and so it's all
- 00:27:44about the angle at which you see it so
- 00:27:46you can't see that that one toe is on
- 00:27:47the ground but it looks great if you can
- 00:27:50if you can do it well so I don't
- 00:27:52understand why you call it levitating I
- 00:27:53think you could just get as much um awe
- 00:27:56out of people as saying like I'm
- 00:27:58standing on one toe right now everybody
- 00:28:01how nuts is that yeah I'm I'm a toe uh a
- 00:28:05toe bodybuilder I've got the strongest
- 00:28:06toe right um so this is a really
- 00:28:09consequential time in in uh um Central
- 00:28:13Asia East Asia in Tibet the dolly llama
- 00:28:18um had been um oh I don't know the word
- 00:28:21but basically found and um identified
- 00:28:24just several years before this is the
- 00:28:26dolly llama as we know him today today
- 00:28:28and around this time he was about 21 and
- 00:28:31China had invaded Tibet and all of a
- 00:28:33sudden the doy Lama found himself as
- 00:28:35like the head of the Tibetan government
- 00:28:38everybody said you're you're the guy
- 00:28:39what are you going to do about this and
- 00:28:41there was almost nothing he could do
- 00:28:43there were Tibetan Freedom Fighters
- 00:28:45Tibetan resistance Rebels um and they
- 00:28:48were just getting crushed left and right
- 00:28:50by China and Tibet was a a place where
- 00:28:54China had invaded and so now anytime you
- 00:28:57saw an American you can pretty much
- 00:28:59guess that if they weren't CIA they were
- 00:29:01backed by the CIA they were giving
- 00:29:03information to the CIA the CIA had like
- 00:29:05a 20-year program in Tibet and one of
- 00:29:07the things they did was help get the
- 00:29:09dolly Lama out when it became clear that
- 00:29:12the doly Llama needed to get the heck
- 00:29:14out and create a government for Tibet in
- 00:29:16Exile which he still runs today um the
- 00:29:20CIA helped that happen and so did in
- 00:29:23some way shape or form Tom Slick had
- 00:29:25some sort of hand in it all right maybe
- 00:29:27we should take a break it sounds like a
- 00:29:29good little Cliffhanger mhm and come
- 00:29:31back and talk about uh why he may have
- 00:29:34been over there in the first place right
- 00:29:36after this
- 00:29:37[Music]
- 00:29:45[Music]
- 00:29:59all right so where we left off was a
- 00:30:00little tease about um tomslick
- 00:30:03potentially maybe helping to get the
- 00:30:04dolly llama out of Tibet uh why was he
- 00:30:08there um he had met him already so that
- 00:30:10was you know before the break we were
- 00:30:12talking about a trip that he took over
- 00:30:13there toss that one aside he goes home
- 00:30:16starts living his life feels a little
- 00:30:18bit more enlightened he can meditate a
- 00:30:19little bit sure worthwhile trip but he
- 00:30:23uh just like his father um was
- 00:30:25fascinated by the idea of the Yeti the
- 00:30:28vomit snowman in the
- 00:30:30Himalayas and like you mentioned earlier
- 00:30:32like this was a time when you know it
- 00:30:34was kind of right in the middle of all
- 00:30:35these Yeti sightings there were there
- 00:30:37were new species being uh discovered and
- 00:30:40so he was like Hey listen I'm not some
- 00:30:43some wacko who just you know believes in
- 00:30:46these weird Crypts Cryptids he said like
- 00:30:49I think there's something out there that
- 00:30:51may be like the link between man and
- 00:30:54animal and I think there are at least
- 00:30:56two species they're the big tall
- 00:30:58eight-footer with black hair there were
- 00:31:00smaller uh red-haired guys and I think
- 00:31:04it's like a prehuman man that's been
- 00:31:07basically hidden for thousands of years
- 00:31:09in the Himalayas yeah and um I mean
- 00:31:11westerners have been trying to climb the
- 00:31:14Himalayas for decades by this time but
- 00:31:16and as they came back they would bring
- 00:31:18stories from the locals about the yeti
- 00:31:20the Abominable Snowman and so like you
- 00:31:22said like it's it wasn't just totally
- 00:31:24like off the charts or super fringed to
- 00:31:26to mount and Expedition for this and he
- 00:31:29did and like he was looking for a
- 00:31:32missing link remember his fascination
- 00:31:34with
- 00:31:35hybridization um he felt like that
- 00:31:37that's what those things were they were
- 00:31:39a missing link out there they weren't
- 00:31:40some undiscovered animal they were some
- 00:31:43human relative that had somehow survived
- 00:31:45in the Wilds of the Pacific Northwest or
- 00:31:48the Wilds of the Himalayas and uh he
- 00:31:52wanted to find one I don't know if he
- 00:31:54wanted to kill and stuff it because he
- 00:31:55was a hunter but um I he definitely
- 00:31:58wanted to at least catch one or meet one
- 00:32:01shake his hand buy him a steak dinner
- 00:32:03I'm not sure buy him a brangus steak
- 00:32:05dinner pretty good uh he actually did
- 00:32:09change the way that those Expeditions
- 00:32:11went down because most of those had been
- 00:32:15uh kill and catch or catch and kill
- 00:32:17Expeditions for kind of anything like
- 00:32:19that and he changed it to more research
- 00:32:23base and hey let's see if we can get
- 00:32:24something alive good I'm glad so uh he
- 00:32:27did he mounted three different
- 00:32:28Expeditions I think the first one was in
- 00:32:30the winter of 1956 which you're going to
- 00:32:33go to the Himalayas in the winter seems
- 00:32:35like poor planning to me um and while he
- 00:32:38was there he found a footprint 13inch
- 00:32:42long bare footprint um and he made a
- 00:32:45plaster cast of it and became one of his
- 00:32:47prized possessions he actually kept it
- 00:32:49on his dining room table to and like if
- 00:32:51somebody wouldn't bring it up when they
- 00:32:53were a guest at his house he would just
- 00:32:54kind of quietly nudge it over toward
- 00:32:57them
- 00:32:58until it was like in their face on their
- 00:33:00plate even sometimes and they'd be like
- 00:33:02oh okay what is this if I may ask and
- 00:33:06he'd say oh well funny you should ask
- 00:33:07let me tell you about this abominable
- 00:33:09snowman footprint yeah he actually got a
- 00:33:12few Footprints and uh a couple of them
- 00:33:14were very noteworthy uh I mean they
- 00:33:17weren't Yeti but they were noteworthy in
- 00:33:19that every other footprint had been snow
- 00:33:21Footprints and he got a couple out of
- 00:33:23the mud which was uh I guess sort of a
- 00:33:25bigger deal and also brought back some
- 00:33:28hair samples uh again not a Yeti because
- 00:33:32there's no Yeti but he didn't know that
- 00:33:34at the time no give the guy a break he's
- 00:33:37he's trying to find what's true and
- 00:33:39what's not true just like us so two
- 00:33:40years after the first one he launched a
- 00:33:42second Expedition this one was like
- 00:33:45fully kitted out uh he and a friend
- 00:33:47spent Punk down 30 Grand in I guess 1958
- 00:33:51money to fund this Expedition there was
- 00:33:53a photographer a documentary filmmaker
- 00:33:56there were professional trackers they
- 00:33:59brought in a reconnaissance plane they
- 00:34:01had tranquilizer guns which supports
- 00:34:02your idea that this was not a catch and
- 00:34:04kill and then also he brought three Blue
- 00:34:07Tick hounds tick blood hounds which are
- 00:34:10really well known as tracker dogs and he
- 00:34:12even um put little snow boots on them to
- 00:34:15help them through the snow which I
- 00:34:16thought was very
- 00:34:18conscientious totally uh he didn't go on
- 00:34:21this one he just you know helped fund it
- 00:34:23uh because he had bailed on a bus on the
- 00:34:27previous Expedition that had lost its
- 00:34:29breakes and uh pretty much tore up his
- 00:34:32knees permanently from that point so uh
- 00:34:35there's some great pictures of him with
- 00:34:36his like knees all band bandaged up but
- 00:34:39he's he's still you know smiling away
- 00:34:41looking like he stepped out of a Banana
- 00:34:43Republic ad has he given the thumbs up
- 00:34:46there was no thumb well he had a cane in
- 00:34:47his hand okay yeah um so that second
- 00:34:51expedition was there for 9 months came
- 00:34:54home empty-handed obviously or else we
- 00:34:56would all know that there was such a
- 00:34:57thing the yeti um and the third and last
- 00:35:01Expedition this is where the CIA
- 00:35:03business kind of comes in um he funded
- 00:35:06two brothers Peter burn and Brian burn
- 00:35:09and Peter uh was a well-known
- 00:35:11Outdoorsman Hunter um and he'd been
- 00:35:14searching for the yeti for a couple
- 00:35:15decades by this time so um Tom Slick
- 00:35:18financed a third Expedition with these
- 00:35:20two brothers and here we come to yet
- 00:35:23another stuff you should know episode I
- 00:35:25guess the one on the yeti or the
- 00:35:27abominable
- 00:35:28snowman um where we talked about this
- 00:35:31story where a Yeti thumb that was being
- 00:35:34on being displayed at pangos Temple um
- 00:35:39the Buddhist monk Temple U was stolen
- 00:35:42and it turns out it was Peter and Brian
- 00:35:44burn who stole it on behalf of Tom Slick
- 00:35:47who asked them to steal it on behalf of
- 00:35:49Dr Osman Hill a primatologist from the
- 00:35:53UK yeah and this is this is probably the
- 00:35:55most famous story about Tom Slick uh
- 00:35:58because of a a certain co- conspirator
- 00:36:00here that we're going to introduce but
- 00:36:02um he uh it was actually a finger and a
- 00:36:06thumb um they gave These Guys these
- 00:36:09brothers like another finger to trade or
- 00:36:12not trade but to swap out and hope no
- 00:36:14one would notice I guess and said here's
- 00:36:17you know here's a thumb take it over
- 00:36:19there see if you can swap them out
- 00:36:21supposedly the burn Brothers uh talked
- 00:36:24about uh giving a big donation to the
- 00:36:26temple no one knows exactly what went
- 00:36:29down but they left with that Yeti thumb
- 00:36:31and finger and what they were told was a
- 00:36:34Yeti scalp was another piece of uh piece
- 00:36:37of Yeti I guess that they got uh so I've
- 00:36:40seen this a couple of ways in stories
- 00:36:43I've seen that a certain Hollywood actor
- 00:36:45was in on this from the beginning and it
- 00:36:47was all part of the plan and then I've
- 00:36:48also seen that after this happened the
- 00:36:51burn Brothers went to Kolkata uh and
- 00:36:54just had dinner with Jimmy Stewart and
- 00:36:57and his wife at the Grand Hotel and
- 00:36:59Stewart from there got on board and just
- 00:37:02said and my best Jimmy
- 00:37:05Stewart if you need help getting the
- 00:37:07thumb across the border I can I can put
- 00:37:09it in my wife's underwear bag that was
- 00:37:12great that was really hoping you're
- 00:37:14going to do something like that it's
- 00:37:16okay I used to do a decent one but it's
- 00:37:17been a while it's good uh especially for
- 00:37:20being Rusty um I think the way we told
- 00:37:23it was that he happened to be there and
- 00:37:25offered I don't remember knowing that he
- 00:37:28was supposedly part of the whole thing
- 00:37:30it doesn't really matter honestly no he
- 00:37:32definitely smuggled what was thought to
- 00:37:34be a Yeti thumb across the border out
- 00:37:38right out of India in his wife's lerie
- 00:37:40case back to the UK where he gave it to
- 00:37:43Dr Hill and Dr Hill promptly just
- 00:37:46stopped talking about it I guess he
- 00:37:48probably did some sort of examination
- 00:37:50and was like yeah this is not a Yeti
- 00:37:52thumb and filed it away in the archives
- 00:37:55of the Royal College of Surgeons in
- 00:37:57London where it was lost until I believe
- 00:38:00the 21st century and then finally in
- 00:38:032011 Ed brazo researchers did a DNA test
- 00:38:07on it and they said this is a human
- 00:38:09finger and thumb and they made the
- 00:38:11little finger gun uh for the for the
- 00:38:14photo that was published all over the
- 00:38:16world why do I get the feeling at the
- 00:38:18time if they would have found that thing
- 00:38:21in Thumb in the in her to wear bag at
- 00:38:24the airport right that she could have
- 00:38:26just been like stay out of that that's
- 00:38:28my thumb that's my finger stay out of my
- 00:38:30underwear they would have just been like
- 00:38:31oh my God I'm so sorry and like just
- 00:38:33giving it back to her I can't remember
- 00:38:35where I read it but it was years and
- 00:38:37years ago we may have talked about it
- 00:38:39but when there's um when there's a
- 00:38:42personal massager found in luggage
- 00:38:45that's being searched in front of the
- 00:38:46person it like I think the TSA is
- 00:38:49instructed to just pretend it it doesn't
- 00:38:52exist like they didn't see
- 00:38:54it I can't remember where we surely we I
- 00:38:57I definitely remember us talking about
- 00:38:58that that was a while ago okay so yeah I
- 00:39:01I think back in the late 50s you could
- 00:39:03have done the same thing with a Yeti
- 00:39:05finger considering it was in her
- 00:39:07underwear case yeah the other thing that
- 00:39:10they brought back was that Yeti scalp um
- 00:39:12obviously not a Yeti scalp uh it was a
- 00:39:14type of Himalayan goat so they struck
- 00:39:17out on all
- 00:39:18fronts uh too bad
- 00:39:21but perhaps perhaps and I saw I saw
- 00:39:26definite uh conf that Peter bur at the
- 00:39:28very least was helping the CIA get
- 00:39:31people in and out of Tibet uh there was
- 00:39:33a guy named George Patterson uh that was
- 00:39:36doing work like undercover work and he
- 00:39:38helped get him in and out so the idea is
- 00:39:41that sort of kind of closing the loop on
- 00:39:43the Dal Lama is that because of Peter
- 00:39:45Burn's work with the CIA getting people
- 00:39:48in and out that uh the New York Times
- 00:39:50even wrote a story in April of 57 called
- 00:39:53Soviet sees Espionage in US snowman hunt
- 00:39:57uh this Yeti I don't know if it was a
- 00:39:59complete front I think they were also
- 00:40:00looking for the yeti but they were like
- 00:40:01well since we're over here we'll do a
- 00:40:03little bit of CIA work for the guys
- 00:40:05right exactly and I guess it's not
- 00:40:07definite but I I did see in at least one
- 00:40:09source that Peter burn had a a um a real
- 00:40:13hand in getting the dolly llama out I
- 00:40:16love that maybe he offered him his
- 00:40:17literal hand he he offered him a Yeti
- 00:40:20thumb come with me big guy uh so Yeti
- 00:40:24eventually became uh Bigfoot as far as
- 00:40:27as Tom Slick's passions went because a
- 00:40:29little closer to home he could take take
- 00:40:31the kids on that trip didn't have to go
- 00:40:32to the Himalayas so he became a uh a
- 00:40:36serious Bigfoot hunter uh including like
- 00:40:38hooking up with people who are until
- 00:40:41very recently were still big and
- 00:40:43noteworthy Bigfoot Hunters yeah um one
- 00:40:47of them was Peter burn Peter burn went
- 00:40:49on to be one of the big um well-known
- 00:40:53Bigfoot Hunters when he went with Tom
- 00:40:55Slick that's kind of where he got the
- 00:40:57taste for it and he's like hey Tom you
- 00:40:59go back home I'm going to just stay here
- 00:41:01and he even wrote a book called The
- 00:41:03search for Bigfoot monster myth or man
- 00:41:07so uh I think that's a great 1976 in
- 00:41:10particular title for a book on Bigfoot
- 00:41:13oh totally so uh back to his private
- 00:41:16life uh you know he he got divorced that
- 00:41:18second time and after that he was like
- 00:41:20you know what mered is not for me uh but
- 00:41:23what is for me is being a millionaire
- 00:41:26Playboy and you know everything I saw
- 00:41:29said that he was very upfront with uh
- 00:41:32the women that he cavorted with and was
- 00:41:36like hey I'm out to have a good time
- 00:41:38this is not going to get serious uh it's
- 00:41:40kind of a sort of a touchy way of saying
- 00:41:42he had a lot of
- 00:41:43girlfriends at the same time uh his his
- 00:41:46niece wrote a a book about him and knew
- 00:41:49a lot about him and uh she said that at
- 00:41:51one point I found a Christmas list from
- 00:41:531958 and he would get these lists uh
- 00:41:55together of like hey get these gifts for
- 00:41:58these uh very specific women uh send it
- 00:42:00to n Neiman Marcus and like take care of
- 00:42:02them so on the 58 list he had Annette
- 00:42:06Kathy Cheryl Cynthia Irene Jean Jerry
- 00:42:08Mary Nancy Nell Sandra Sylvia Tony Topsy
- 00:42:12and three Helens so 17 women scattered
- 00:42:16all over planet Earth he was you know he
- 00:42:19was having a good time it sounds like it
- 00:42:21sounded just now like you were halfway
- 00:42:23through a shell Silverstein poem
- 00:42:26especially when tops makes an appearance
- 00:42:28you know yeah who's Topsy uh there's one
- 00:42:31other thing we need to mention about him
- 00:42:33is that he wrote not one but two books
- 00:42:35arguing and laying out plans for World
- 00:42:38Peace um which you know not everybody's
- 00:42:41got those under their belt so I read at
- 00:42:44least one um uh review of it from the
- 00:42:4750s and they were like this is actually
- 00:42:48pretty good yeah I mean again doing like
- 00:42:52the good work uh sadly that that good
- 00:42:55work and that life was cut very short in
- 00:42:58a tragic way uh when in
- 00:43:001962 he was coming back in a little
- 00:43:03plane after pheasant hunting in Calgary
- 00:43:05with some friends and their plane
- 00:43:08basically disintegrated in midair and
- 00:43:11bad weather over Montana and he died at
- 00:43:14the same age as his father at just 46
- 00:43:17years old and is buried at Mission
- 00:43:20burial park there in San Antonio yeah
- 00:43:23and like we said those um those science
- 00:43:25foundations that he created went on to
- 00:43:28do some pretty amazing things in
- 00:43:30addition to oral contraceptives vaccines
- 00:43:33for Hepatitis A through C HIV AIDS uh
- 00:43:37Ebola virus they had a big role in the
- 00:43:40covid vaccine um and they also another
- 00:43:44one develops things for NASA electric
- 00:43:46cars the oil and gas industry um they're
- 00:43:49the kind who like they don't make the
- 00:43:51stuff they help other people make the
- 00:43:53stuff through their research they make
- 00:43:55the stuff better what company is that
- 00:43:57BASF that's exactly what I was thinking
- 00:44:00of yeah uh also again as another Coda he
- 00:44:05was a great patron of the Arts had one
- 00:44:07of the great um art collections of a
- 00:44:10private American citizen uh most of
- 00:44:13which is at The McNay Art Museum and uh
- 00:44:17like we said that movie with Nick Cage
- 00:44:18didn't happen but the uh the podcast Tom
- 00:44:22Slick colon mystery Hunter MH is out now
- 00:44:25with Owen Wilson
- 00:44:27yeah playing Tom Slick and Skyler Fisk
- 00:44:31and Skyler Fisk and her mom
- 00:44:33and Chad sent me a list I mean it's just
- 00:44:35sort of a murderer's row of great um
- 00:44:38actors and this was literally yesterday
- 00:44:40and I was like H I would have loved to
- 00:44:41have done a voice uh so he yesterday
- 00:44:45like an hour after that said he felt bad
- 00:44:48and I was like oh man I mean don't feel
- 00:44:50bad I was just kidding but I always want
- 00:44:51to do dumb voices and uh he about an
- 00:44:55hour later he said I got something for
- 00:44:56you I was I was like really he was like
- 00:44:58can you do it today and he said you're
- 00:45:00opposite I was like are we
- 00:45:02going to zoom together and he went no
- 00:45:03you just record your lines and we marry
- 00:45:05them to hers but technically I'll be in
- 00:45:08a scene with uh playing
- 00:45:1370-year-old former governor of Texas
- 00:45:15governor neelon uhhuh not a real person
- 00:45:19uh a lot of This is highly fictionalized
- 00:45:21it's a you know it's it's a fun podcast
- 00:45:24just not like they they stick to the
- 00:45:25facts when they can but it's uh it's an
- 00:45:27entertaining kind of thing so uh if
- 00:45:29you've never listened to a scripted
- 00:45:30fictional show give it a shot cuz I
- 00:45:33listened to a couple of episodes and
- 00:45:34it's super cool and you can hear me
- 00:45:37doing my best kind of uh old old school
- 00:45:40leave on Helm accent can we hear it yeah
- 00:45:43I guess we could play a uh a clip yeah
- 00:45:45let's do that all right here's a here's
- 00:45:47a little clip of me you
- 00:45:49guys finally Governor Claire it's so
- 00:45:54lovely of you to come to this little sh
- 00:45:57and dig for Dad little I heard there
- 00:45:59might be some reveals about the
- 00:46:01mysterious Tom slick as a kid I always
- 00:46:04thought your father lived a double life
- 00:46:06oh yeah Claire remember when we had
- 00:46:09those sleepovers at your house sure and
- 00:46:12your dad he'd tell us these wild tales
- 00:46:15about Mysteries the world had never
- 00:46:18known holy men who could levitate a
- 00:46:21tunnel on the Amazon ly with diamonds
- 00:46:23the Abominable Snowman that he said roam
- 00:46:26the roof for the
- 00:46:27world he told those Tales like he lived
- 00:46:30them so I guess I thought he always had
- 00:46:35way to go Chuck thank you he was an old
- 00:46:38Texas guy like that get off my claim you
- 00:46:42varint awesome so uh where where can you
- 00:46:46find this Chuck where can you find this
- 00:46:47podcast that you're starring in I mean
- 00:46:50anywhere you can get your podcast I
- 00:46:52guess that's right isn't that what they
- 00:46:54say that's right it's called Tom Slick
- 00:46:56mystery hun right yeah awesome uh well
- 00:46:59Chuck said yeah I was just mentioning a
- 00:47:02podcast that he started in and we've
- 00:47:04Fallen backwards into listener
- 00:47:08mail all right I'm going to call this
- 00:47:10random fact because that's what Adam
- 00:47:12called it when he wrote in in the
- 00:47:14subject line uh Hey guys on your Lites
- 00:47:16episode you mentioned some places like
- 00:47:19lancastershire
- 00:47:21uh that's the origin of the term Sheriff
- 00:47:24I love this or this Emil uh sure or
- 00:47:26Shire I guess just like in Lord of the
- 00:47:28Rings uh County reev so the county
- 00:47:32sheriff was originally the Shire reev
- 00:47:35and was shortened to sheriff or Sheriff
- 00:47:39all this info was bestowed upon me by
- 00:47:41professor of Criminal Justice at at Miss
- 00:47:42University in the early 2000s go Rebels
- 00:47:45I've been listening for several years
- 00:47:46look forward to every Tuesday Thursday
- 00:47:47and Saturday keep it cool guys that's
- 00:47:49from Adam all right thanks a lot Adam
- 00:47:52that's a great one I'd never heard that
- 00:47:54before in my life and now I know um and
- 00:47:56if you want to be like Adam and let us
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