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hi guys welcome back to another video on
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the channel thanks for joining me and in
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this video I want to sort of follow on
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from the previous video I did looking at
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AI raw denoising you've got to
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understand that rodino is in is
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different from the normal denoising that
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we're all used to and we've used for
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years which is sort of one of the last
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things you do in your workflow whereas
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raw D noising is the very first thing
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you do in your workflow that's at least
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the best way of doing it so anyway
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um what I want to do in this video is to
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actually address the problem that people
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who use raw therapy and dark table have
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got because even though the noise
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reduction in both programs is pretty
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good it isn't a pat on what you can do
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with AI raw denoising so what we're
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going to do is look at dxo pure all
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three and topaz not denoise AI because
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they are sort of
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um
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they're not doing a lot with denoise AI
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there was an update to it about three or
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four months ago I think
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and they're putting all their
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development behind photo AI oh which is
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a combination of gigapixel AI sharp and
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Ai and denoise AI
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so it's it's like a multifaceted thing
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and so that's where all the topaz
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developments going so hence we're using
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uh this lady suffering from topaz and
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pitching it against the latest offering
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from dxo relative to people who work in
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rural therapy and dark table so we're
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not going to be looking at anything to
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do with Adobe today apart from the fact
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that we're going to look at an adobe dng
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an undenoised adobe dng
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in comparison to the other two types of
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dng that we're going to get here namely
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the one from DX so the name of the one
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from topaz because they are different
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yes they are okey dokey so how are we
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gonna work this well very simply you can
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see I've got two images queued here and
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the latest version of topaz photo AI uh
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we've got this one of this Gothic which
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you can see with absolutely no denoising
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on it and it's a little bit on the soft
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side as well and yeah if you look at it
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over on the right
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we're allowing uh topaz photo AI to use
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it's autopilot settings
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and you can see I'm only using the uh
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raw D noise
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um or raw remove noise and also pilot
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why is it's coming in it's strong with a
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strength of Two and a detail of 52.
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this detail is what's making it go Sharp
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okay because if I turned the detail off
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um you'll see it's it's pretty much as
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soft as this but it's it is very
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effectively
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um denoised uh just with a strength
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setting of two
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so I'm actually going to put it back
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where it was okay
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um because that's
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I think that's right it was for Nick 52
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if we just go and use autopilot settings
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again yeah yeah that's right so the
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sharpening in topaz under the actual
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denoising not the sharpening I find just
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about perfect
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um we're also going to be processing
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these self same two images in DX so and
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this is all you see in dxo until we get
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process now and so what I'm going to do
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is it process now and we'll come up with
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this process two photos dialog box I'm
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using deep primary XD as the denoising
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and I don't use lens Distortion and I
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don't use vignetting Corrections I've
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actually got both of those turned off in
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topaz as well because the lens
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correction that lenses Distortion
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Corrections and the vignette Corrections
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are not identical
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to what they are in DX so they don't
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share each other's files
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for Distortion and vignetting I am going
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to correct the chromatic aberration
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because topaz correct for chromatic
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aberration as well and so there you go
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but I am not going to sharpen the output
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or go on I think of I might as well but
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if if you see the lens softness
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can either be soft standard strong or
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hard
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okay so with each softy setting I find
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it a little tiny tiny bit on the
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aggressive side and when I use the EXO
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for myself I have it turned off and I
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only correct the chromatic aberration
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but a supposing all fairness I ought to
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have one softness turned on but I'm only
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going to have it set to soft okay output
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format dng
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um going into the original image folder
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so we'll go start processing and as I
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say
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um I'm not going to be happy with the
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sharpening on the DXL one I think it is
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a little tiny bit too aggressive
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um but we'll process these they'll be
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just about done any second and I'm sorry
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the anti-adobe guys but you are going to
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see a flash of that Lightroom now
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because it's all into link with that
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Lightroom on my machine
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so I'm just going to go quit Lightroom
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classic
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quit skip this time okie dokie and there
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we go so and don't worry if you've not
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got these plugins
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um I am going to be supplying all the
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files including the two raw files
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um don't try passing them up on your own
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otherwise I should be most peeves yeah
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um but I'll put a link in the
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description below where you'll be able
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to download the two raw files the two
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deep primary XD files and the tube topaz
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files okie dokie so we'll go processing
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done thank you very much and we'll quit
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pure rule three and so what we'll do now
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is come back to Topaz photo II and you
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can see it's it's doing what it's doing
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here no sharpening detail 52 strength
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two uh we come over to the next shot
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here uh so much time you've possibly
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seen before in another video and raw
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denoising it's coming in it's strong
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again this time strength one and detail
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at 55 and I'm just gonna let it run at
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default and we'll just go save two
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images to the original folder format dng
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if we open up before format drop down
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menu you can see it says preserve input
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format that's just a loading junk yeah
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because he can't write CR2 files and you
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can't write net files it actually
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rewrites dng so why they put that there
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I don't know I'm just going to switch
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out to dng and we will go say and point
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of that and if we want what we'll do is
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we'll we'll do preserve import format
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but you see it's still going to be a dng
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so you know you take your pick don't you
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so we'll click save
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and we'll just wait a second and that
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will be done too
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um then we'll go and open these in raw
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therapy and dark table yeah now the um
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while I'm closing this out the uh guys
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who are on Linux machines who are using
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raw therapy and or dark table and I
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don't quite know how you're gonna pull
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this one off either people who've got
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Linux machines and they've got a Windows
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12 laptop and they are moving images
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over onto the Windows machine and
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denoising them that way and then moving
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them back to the other machine uh but if
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your machine has got enough poke uh in
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terms of CPU power and RAM and disk
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space you could I suppose very easily go
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and put a virtual machine on and that
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run over a Naco ass or or a PC uh
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Windows operating system within the
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virtual machine
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um but I'm just illustrating
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um the quality of this
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um raw Aid noisy and as you will see it
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in raw therapy when viewed in rural
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therapy and when viewed in Dart table
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and as I say all the contents of that
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this folder I will make Available to You
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including the um
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non-denoised dng which is a genuine
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Adobe dng and you'll see the difference
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uh shortly in the dng formats all righty
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that's why I'm supplying this actual
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Adobe dng which is just this original
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raw file here uh run through the Adobe
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dng converter and that's the result so
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everything that's in this folder will be
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made available for anybody to go and
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download off my I think I'll put it on
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my Google Drive but anyway
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and what I'm going to do is Select these
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four Images now so let's select all four
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and then we'll go open with
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and we'll go open with rural therapy
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and there we go and it's uh even brought
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the raw files in as well why I have no
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idea but well so uh there you go because
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it shouldn't have done because it didn't
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tell it to you but hey yo and so you can
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see I've got a raw file
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all right which is I'll take it that one
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uh no that one
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yes there's the raw file
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um we've got the Deep primary XD and the
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topaz denoise D and G did this say e x d
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d n g e mobile I mean there we've got
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the raw file and we've got the Deep
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Prime dng and we've got the uh topaz dng
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and if we'll look at the topaz dng for
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that
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and all I'm going to do is just very
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simply I'm just going to lift up on this
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curve here and we will go into a hundred
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percent and there you go I mean you can
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do what you want with us
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all right I just cannot fault it
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um let's go and
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switch over to the Deep Prime
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there we go one let's go and do roughly
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the same thing to that
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and there you go
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um if if you'll just notice don't forget
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I did say I don't for my own ends I
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don't actually put use the sharpening on
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dxo because I find it just a little bit
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on the aggressive side but we did put it
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on it's soft in other words as low as
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it'll go and if you just notice
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um this is the one that I think is
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slightly too sharp and that's the one
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that I think is just a little bit better
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uh let's just get rid of a little more
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of the lift there we go so I think the
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sharpening on that is absolutely perfect
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and as you can see absolutely no noise
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even if we go in at 800 percent I mean
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it's mental
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you do get one or two little
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um artifacts which you need to touch up
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possibly in or whatever
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um if you were going to print this image
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that sort of you know ate thought
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because those little artifacts will
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print as well so you might need to just
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go around the edges and do a little bit
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of cleanup
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um all with the Deep Prime
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be I just found out just a little bit
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aggressive
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um but you'll notice the artifact on the
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end of the beak is uh a little bit more
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obvious inside the topaz version uh than
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it is in the Deep Prime version and
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actually for image quality IQ I do
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actually find that you know like I say I
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don't usually sharpen in DX so don't let
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any don't do any lens softness
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Corrections and I'll use the
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um sharpening uh usually deconvolution
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sharpening in raw therapy
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um but I do find it just a little bit
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nicer but I mean this is this is
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blooming fine really I suppose and when
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it comes to printing you know you're
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going to put print sharpening on it
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anyway which is going to make it look
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bloody terrible
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um but you know I mean you just couldn't
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pair uh that
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view of that image out of either one of
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these
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uh all with the raw file
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um so I mean it is
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um
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really truly uh quite amazing
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what we're doing here you know and just
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do the same adjustment to the raw file
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and to look at that you know I mean
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there's a lot of noise on that yeah
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there was right 12 800 I think
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if we go to the other shot okay and we
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fundamentally gonna do the same
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operation here I'm just going to come to
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the curve I mean there's dozens of ways
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you can lighten the image up uh as I've
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already shown you especially in rural
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therapy uh
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this is this is where you see more of
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that sharpening this is the uh deep
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Prime and I mean just just where you get
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dark to very light edges in other words
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very high contrast boundaries
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um I'm just a little bit wary I think it
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looks a little bit crispy and if I go to
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the topaz one
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and we just lift that one up I just find
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that not quite as crispy right that
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edges up just a little bit cleaner but
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like I say you can go and download these
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files and just put just put a little
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curves left on them yourself and have a
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plate and see what you think
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all right so that's raw therapy covered
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raw therapy can see absolutely
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everything
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but here's your problem
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uh first off
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with the topaz uh dng
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um we've got no way of changing the
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demosaican algorithm and we haven't got
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access to capture sharpening so this
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level of sharpness we are stuck with
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okay and the thing goes for the
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um topaz uh no the dx01 and we are stuck
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with this level of sharpening
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um because we've got no access to um the
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actual demosaic and the capture
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sharpening however
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if I go to file Brown so
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um do I go to genuine Adobe dng now
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don't forget this is got no noise
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reduction on it at all but this is what
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a dng should be like
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because if you look under the raw tab I
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can go and select any one of the single
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or combination
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um raw demosaican algorithms I can
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change my chromatic aberration settings
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I can choose my raw white points I can
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change my
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um process white balance I can add a
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dart frame I can add a flat field frame
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if it was doing Astro work and I've also
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got access to capture sharpening okie
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dokie so that's what a proper dng looks
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like all right and those are the
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facilities given to you by a proper dng
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the
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um
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dngs that you get out of topaz and DX so
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do not give you access to this all this
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slot is already baked in you cannot
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change it so you need need to be aware
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of that small sort of caveat
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okay so I think I'm just about done with
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raw therapy so I'm going to shut raw
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therapy now and we're going to come back
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to these images again and this time
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we're going to go open with a dark table
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and you're going to have a bit of a
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surprise here
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so and just wait for dark table to fire
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up
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I'm what's with this Space Invaders
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topaz denoise dng is not available
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um
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um do you like Space Invaders yes they
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do
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so for some unknown reason we cannot
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access
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these topaz uh dngs inside of dark table
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um from what I did it's not the first
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time and believe me to believe it or not
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you didn't used to be able to use them
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inside a raw therapy either
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um but that was up till about 18 months
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two years ago raw therapy seems to not
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have a problem with them dark table does
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and if I go back to
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um
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a folder and then I go to add to library
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and we twiddle that and come there and
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say yeah add that one to library which
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is the um
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uh this one which is the Adobe dng uh
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the correct dng if you like we come back
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to what's on if you look at D Mosaic and
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we can gain access to D mosaican and we
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can choose any one of the available
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um demosaic in algorithms inside of
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um dark table
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but if I come back to light table now
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and go back to where this folder here
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um we have a problem and like I say the
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topaz ones we can't open
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and the Deep Prime
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um let's just come back to original and
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um
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what we're going to do first of all well
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if we look at um
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what's on and we haven't actually got uh
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the D Mosaic in tab here and if we can
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find it where is demo taking this is
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another nice thing some people who are
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new to dark table might not know this uh
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we can actually do do a search uh
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demosaican not applicable to this image
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hmm yeah so you can't gain access to uh
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your D Mosaic in algorithms with
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the dxo dngs here
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um which you know but at least we can
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blob him while opening yeah and work on
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them and I suppose all we're going to do
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uh here is just come to the exposure tab
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um turn it on
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um let's lift up the exposure a little
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bit
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okie dokie
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there we go have we got any clipping
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let's go clip the turn the clipping
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indicator on yeah we've got a little bit
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of clipping in there I don't mind the
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clipping in the eyes
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you know we could go and do a shadow we
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just
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um we could go and uh tell you what
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we'll do we'll see um what are we gonna
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do are we going to uh leave exposure on
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or off let's turn it off and let's go to
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local contrast
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um local contrast is usually quite good
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um and turn down the contrast in the
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highlights a little bit turn down the
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contrast in the mid-tones turn down the
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contrast in the shadows
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I don't mind these little bits of uh
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specular clip in here but the only thing
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is what's uh possibly screwing it up is
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the white balance
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um because we're in an asshot
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um default and so I might just go
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Um not necessarily to camera reference
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um I might go from image area and there
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we go so we could do we could take we
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could control the exposure in this
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um in many ways in there light in dark
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table and more more ways that we can
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actually control it inside raw therapy
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um let's go and look at the other dng
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how to fame
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dxo and I'm just going to turn the
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clipping indicator off we don't need it
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turned on and this will probably just go
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under exposure and I'll just turn it up
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to get it where I want it to
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um we can go into where the shadow areas
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look at all the lovely detail in there
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and um up in here and we've got no noise
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in these Shadows we've got a very very
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dark area here and file down hit me out
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key uh no shift key no control key
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that's the one if we look inside this
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very very dark area it's some ludicrous
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1600 mag you can see we've got no noise
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and you know I mean what do you want to
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do for your money uh you know the nice
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thing is we can bring all sorts of tools
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to bear inside of their dark table
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still think it's a little bit crispy
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down here but well never mind and after
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I'm going to go to color and I'm going
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to go and turn on color zones for this
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one I'm going to get a pick and I'm just
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going to pick there the yellow with the
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beak and so under saturation I'm gonna
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wire the saturation up and then on the
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lightness I'm just going to drop it down
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a little bit just to try and preserve
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some detail on that and we'll come back
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to here we've already got um an exposure
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adjustment on there so here's the other
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nice thing about dark table because I
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can then go on generate a new instance
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of
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um the exposure adjustment and I can
00:26:08
quite simply come in with a drawn mask
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mask and I'm going all Posh now mask
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coming in with a drill mask will use a
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brush and that just it used me scroll
00:26:20
wheel to drop its size a little bit and
00:26:23
I'm just going to brighten up round the
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eye and over the eyebrow
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there and then sort of sweep it back and
00:26:31
come in there rather like that so we
00:26:34
just put in a little bit of a blob on
00:26:37
there and just check the mask is the
00:26:40
right way around yes it is and black and
00:26:43
white conceals yellow reveals
00:26:46
really strange but well later and all
00:26:50
we're going to do is just add all right
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well we're not we're going to come click
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this icon here so we can't see the brush
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path
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and I'm just going to lift the exposure
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there and just a little tiny bit okay
00:27:05
and then do I want to go and put on a
00:27:08
local contrast on this one let's turn it
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on and that makes it look a little bit a
00:27:15
little bit too dark in the dark areas
00:27:17
for me so I'm going to turn the
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Shadows down and I might actually turn
00:27:25
the mid-range down a little bit
00:27:28
and with the highlights up
00:27:32
or maybe take him down a little bit I
00:27:34
don't know detail
00:27:36
just drop that
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um a little smidge uh turn it off turn
00:27:43
it back on I mean that looks blooming
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marvelous to me you know these little
00:27:49
nice tools that you've got in Dart table
00:27:52
um
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you know I mean they can just make some
00:27:57
great adjustments local adjustments to
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your images and of course if you can
00:28:03
start off with a total with an image
00:28:05
because you've got totally no noise in
00:28:08
it whatsoever
00:28:09
and it got so much exposure latitude in
00:28:13
it it just makes you processing life
00:28:16
just an awful lot easier because
00:28:19
ordinarily when you're processing these
00:28:22
iiso uh noisy images you constantly
00:28:26
being careful about what adjustments you
00:28:30
make and the amount of adjustment you
00:28:33
bring to there allow carefully you mask
00:28:36
things because you're trying to do your
00:28:38
level best to not exacerbate the noise
00:28:41
that's already there and then you you're
00:28:44
actually then going to try and denoise
00:28:46
the image when you've got it to where
00:28:48
you want it to be and as soon as I'm
00:28:52
giving you all these files for free I
00:28:54
challenge anybody either in Dart table
00:28:57
or raw therapy to use Dart table or raw
00:29:00
therapies
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um I'm very good
00:29:06
a while back uh or like three months ago
00:29:09
uh noise reduction techniques and if you
00:29:13
can come within 10 percent
00:29:17
as good as the noise reduction in these
00:29:21
images that you've seen me make today
00:29:23
and don't forget I've been making them
00:29:25
just with the fundamentally the default
00:29:28
settings
00:29:29
um
00:29:30
then let me know if you if you've got
00:29:34
any grain in your images
00:29:36
when you either go at processing these
00:29:38
uh don't get in touch because I'm just
00:29:42
not interested but if anybody can
00:29:44
actually come within 10 percent of this
00:29:47
level of noise reduction uh with the
00:29:50
pre-existing noise reduction tools and
00:29:52
Rural therapy or dark table I would be
00:29:55
interested to know how the hell they've
00:29:57
done it and but don't just tell me about
00:29:59
it show me the result as well otherwise
00:30:02
I won't believe you no all right guys
00:30:06
and girls uh that's just about it from
00:30:08
me today I hope you found that useful
00:30:10
hope you found it interesting uh Linux
00:30:13
guys
00:30:14
um you need to have a serious think
00:30:17
about how you can get all of this um
00:30:20
AI technology now at the end of the day
00:30:23
you let me just say this
00:30:25
I wouldn't dream of deploying this um AI
00:30:30
denoising or Raw denoising on my images
00:30:34
unless they were actually suffering from
00:30:39
an excess amount of noise
00:30:42
um anywhere from base ISO to one or two
00:30:47
thousand I so I just wouldn't use this
00:30:51
um method of denoising this um Aid noisy
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I'm quite happy with the denoising
00:30:57
facilities I've got in Lightroom in fact
00:31:00
in um raw therapy and in Dart table but
00:31:03
when you start to really push the boat
00:31:07
out and start crippling your dynamic
00:31:11
range on your camera because you've got
00:31:13
like four five six seven stops
00:31:16
um above base or more
00:31:19
you're going to have problems and those
00:31:22
problems are very hard to get hold of or
00:31:25
get on top of with conventional noise
00:31:28
reduction and yet they are just a simple
00:31:31
clickety-click job with this new breed
00:31:36
of
00:31:38
um raw Aid noising so uh
00:31:41
and Linux users you've got you you've
00:31:45
got to face up to facts you've somehow
00:31:48
or other if you produce these very high
00:31:51
ISO noisy images
00:31:55
um that you find difficult to impossible
00:31:57
to process onto normal circumstances
00:31:59
with the normal tools available to you
00:32:01
you've got to work out how to get
00:32:04
yourself
00:32:06
um the ability to work with the likes of
00:32:09
dxo or um topaz deep prime or pure rule
00:32:14
three or whatever they call it just
00:32:16
remember if you're on Dart table
00:32:20
um the topaz one might be a little bit
00:32:22
problematic for you and tell pass I
00:32:25
don't know what it is whether they are
00:32:28
whether they've got a drunk who actually
00:32:31
codes their dngs because I can remember
00:32:36
um topaz denoise Ai and when it first
00:32:40
came out
00:32:42
um I've been using raw therapy for a
00:32:45
while and you could open the images in
00:32:47
rural therapy and then and they did an
00:32:50
update to the noise Ai and you saw me
00:32:53
you couldn't open the images then you
00:32:55
could then you couldn't then you could
00:32:57
then you couldn't and it's like I don't
00:33:00
know I mean well I don't know it's as if
00:33:02
the guy who does all the coding
00:33:04
authorities uh either drunk or
00:33:06
occasionally manic depressive I don't
00:33:08
know but uh dxo uh just seemed to be
00:33:14
pretty consistent and I've ever since
00:33:17
I've been using dxo which are it's only
00:33:20
this latest copy that I've actually paid
00:33:23
for uh all the rest I've tried
00:33:27
um in in each various version guys and
00:33:30
they always seem to open in dark table
00:33:33
and they always seem to open in raw
00:33:34
therapy so there you go
00:33:36
um I was saying stand raw therapies got
00:33:39
slight slight versatility to add to it
00:33:43
because it can open both but the tools
00:33:46
you have access to inside of dark table
00:33:49
are somewhat more expansive so well
00:33:53
there you go anyway I'm waffling on and
00:33:56
uh so until the next time guys and girls
00:33:58
stay safe stay well keep taking the
00:34:00
pictures and I'll see you in the next
00:34:02
one too
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