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what's up guys welcome back to three up
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three down coming to you live on a
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Monday before the Monday Night Football
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game we got an off day today for the
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Cardinals which is a relief to everybody
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watching this video uh it after a
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spirited spirited Series win against
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Milwaukee the Cardinals laid a total egg
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against the Mariners who I told you guys
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couldn't score well I didn't factor in
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certain things that we're going to
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discuss later in this video uh so that
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you know it was a tough weekend to be a
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Cardinal fan for sure obviously you
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could distract yourselves with the
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football on Saturday and Friday and
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Thursday and Sunday um but yeah it
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wasn't a great weekend to be a Cardinal
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fan I know that just last week I told
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you guys we're going to talk Downs first
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but we've got to flip the script this
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week uh we got to talk UPS first because
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I need to get into the Downs we're going
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to dive deep into a specific down that I
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know everybody wants to talk about my
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first up Pedro PES pretty much since the
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moment I said I don't really want to see
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him play anymore he's been hitting big
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two-run Homer Saturday night uh You'
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hope that they could carry that momentum
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into Sunday they couldn't but that's
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okay I still am really interested to see
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what they do with the catchers position
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going forward you know they have three
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guys under Club control next year
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they've got Wilson Herrera and PES you
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got to make a choice on Herrera at some
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point I feel like this is like year four
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for him kind of being like he's in the
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mix but he's not in the mix and then
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he's going to do two months in Memphis
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um so I'm really curious to see what
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they do there my preference would be
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contras and Herrera they they need bats
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those guys can both hit I understand
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that the pitcher like throwing to PES
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but I I don't think the glove gives you
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enough to justify it uh my second up is
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Kyle Gibson I think Gibson first of all
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he's nail Saturday night great start
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he's had a really interesting season to
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me because it does feel like every time
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I'm kind of starting to think I can
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trust this guy he's going to give me
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five to six strong he goes out and lays
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an egg he dealt with the back injury you
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know he was on bement leave earlier this
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year um or uh paternity leave this year
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so you know it it it's been a really
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interesting leave for for Gibs uh year
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for Gibson uh he's had 154 Innings 27
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starts eight KS per nine and a 4.2 ra
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what I what I find so interesting about
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it is they they've got a club option on
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him next year and I I don't think
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they're going to pick up Lind but I do
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think they're going to pick up Gibsons
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uh he's going to end up around 170
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Innings at a 4.2 is RA like if you had
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told them that from the jump at the
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beginning of the season I think they
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would have taken that and I think they
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would have said yes we are picking up
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that option my third up I feel like I
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say it every week guys but Hesley is
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unbelievable um 43 saves we got to get
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him six more and get the club record I I
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just feel like he deserves it that guy
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is so so good I still really haven't
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gotten over what he did in Milwaukee I
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know I talked about it on the last video
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so we're not going to dive too much
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further into that the thing that
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interests me about
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Hesley
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is I'm really interested to see what
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they do with him this offseason he has
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one one year left of Club control on
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arbitration he's going to make a boat
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load of money a boat load of money and
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the Cardinals have tended to not pay
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relievers um they DFA Trevor Rosenthal
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before his third year of ARB now he had
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an outbow thing so it it depends a lot
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on these guys but they're going to come
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to a decision on Hy at some point here
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where they're probably going to have to
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trade him or extend him uh you you got
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to think about it this way and if they
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don't think the club is going to be very
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good next year which I'm really curious
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to see what they
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do I think they're going to trade him
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because Hesley is one probably the guy
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on the club right now that is the most
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elite you know he is the best at his
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position relative to all of the other
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guys at the position um I think he's
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going to get you a ton especially if you
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trade him in the off season so another
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team gets him for a full year I knew a
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lot of people wanted to trade him in
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July and just like load up on prospects
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um but I think they're going to move him
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that would be my guess if I had to guess
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today if they don't extend him at a good
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number which they just don't like paying
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relievers they just don't do it it seems
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like when they do it it doesn't go well
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so Andrew Miller Brett Cil are two that
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come to mind so I I think you're going
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to see him walk which is a bummer or not
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walk I think he's going to be traded
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which is a bummer because he is a really
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good pitcher but I think they could get
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a haul for him um pitching prices have
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have changed a little bit you know I
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looked at some comps I thought like
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Chapman when he was moved in 16 Andrew
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Miller when he was moved in 16 but those
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guys were both moved for like top of the
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or prospects I don't think you're
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getting getting that anymore for Hesley
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the way the game has changed the way
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teams kind of hoard prospects more than
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they used to but you could still go out
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and get an impact outfielder an impact
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center fielder from the Orioles the
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Orioles always need Bullpen help they're
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still relying on Craig Kimbrell uh I'm
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surprised they didn't push for hle in
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July I would have if I was the Orioles
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because they're they're in a chance to
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win right now but this off season's
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going to be really interesting those
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that were super tuned in remember I told
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you guys three weeks ago Gary Lorac was
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out he was going to retire I guess I I
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didn't say it very firmly but it's
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official he is retiring so I do find it
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really interesting to see what they're
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going to do this off season I don't
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think it's a given MO is back I he will
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be on the staff somewhere but I'm not
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sure he will be the decision maker next
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year uh I think K Bloom is very involved
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and anytime you bring a new guy in it's
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really interesting to see who else they
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bring in I think you have to bring in
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somebody from the outside to run the
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farm uh to take over from Lor Rock just
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change a scenery change of voice um mix
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up the message a little bit here because
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if you if all they do is is replace
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Lorac with someone who was a similar
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you're not you're not going to see
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anything different I think K is going to
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be big there let's talk the Downs the
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standings yeah it's it's probably over
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uh they's six back to get to 88 wins
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which is the magic number the Cardinals
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have to go 16 and four Atlanta and New
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York would just have to go 10- n it's
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going to be tough to go 16 and four um I
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don't think they've had a stretch that
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good since probably the 17 game winning
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streak really tough to do uh my second
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down let's talk starting pitchers uh
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right now in the staff the Cardinals
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have two guys well Matts I guess isn't
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in the rotation right now right now
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they've got a guy and a half that I I
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can't I can't get anywhere near so what
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I did was this was a laborious task but
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after work today I teared every Cardinal
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starting pitcher to make a start since
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2011 I'm going to try and rip through
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these some we can agree some we can
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disagree I'll dive into a
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few my first tier Ace Wayne Wright flare
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WKA Carpenter no brainer my second tier
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no complaints Gibson gray fetty hap Wade
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LeBlanc who saved the 2021 season haime
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Garcia Kyle Lo and Edwin
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Jackson my third tier I wish we'd had
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more time together Jordan Montgomery
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Jose canana I think both those guys
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would still be really good fits I know
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mon armory's had a down Year my fourth
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tier traded for a superstar Austin gber
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Luke Weaver Marco Gonzalez Shelby Miller
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you can nitpick with the bottom too but
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Tyler Ward was a six War Play Tyler
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O'Neal was a six War player Jason herard
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was a six War player Mike Myers his tier
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that start John Gast his tier not John
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Gant Drew ROM py notton yenesis Cabrera
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Tyson Ross Tim Cooney Miguel Bautista
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Brandon Dixon no recollection Justin
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Masterson literally had had one good
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start Daniel ponale Leon almost had a no
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hitter in his debut so we think way too
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fondly on his Cardinal's
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career Zack Thompson Dakota Hudson Jake
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Woodford first R picks who weren't very
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good Steven matz John gamp Mike leak
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Nick Greenwood I would never want this
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guy starting a game Tyler Lions Jake
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Westbrook I would only want this guy
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starting big games no normal
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games Lance Lynn Lance Lynn Andre
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Palante Johan oo KK and Joe Kelly
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relievers who were actually pretty
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decent at starting Matthew Liberator
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Jordan Hicks Kyle mlen better as a
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reliever grao and mcgrey give me more of
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these guys and less of the guy we're
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going to talk about here in a minute
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Carlos Martinez and Alex Rees Carlos
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Martinez and Alex Reyes John Lester John
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Lackey both guys that I loathed until
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they were Cardinals and then I couldn't
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get enough of them and then I was so sad
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when they were gone oh I hated John
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Lackey but then 2015 John Lackey was
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Elite my last and least tier miles
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michelas got a 20 $40 million extension
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and has had an area of 5.12 since I'm
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done I can't I will not watch another
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michaus start this year that's a promise
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I will watch the offense I will find a
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way to to make sure I know what happened
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in those games I will not watch Miles
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Michels start again this year he is
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terrible every time something goes wrong
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he had a started earlier this year where
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I think he got called for a B when he
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definitely bed and he was like I'm mad
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so then he threw three pitches 97 for no
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reason whatsoever I'm done with it I
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agree with everybody else that says they
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need to DF it's a sunk cost get get rid
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of him he is not going to give you
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anything next year you already have
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stepen matz who you're going to have to
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deal with missing three months next year
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I I just I loathe watching him he had a
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good 2018 he had a great 2018 you know
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what he had a great 2018 but since then
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it has just not been worth it he was
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fine in 19 he was fine in 22 but I can't
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stand watching him the attitude's
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terrible the results are even worse than
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the attitude I'm done uh let me know
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what you guys think about the tear I'm
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going to Tweet the link tweet the
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picture as well uh as always thanks for
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the feedback on the last video let me
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know what you guys think looking forward
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to talking with you after the week is
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over
