4K podcast about NAF's El Prix winter range test and why it's not accurate

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Sintesi

TLDRThe speaker critiques the N range test conducted by a Norwegian automotive organization, arguing that its methodology contains significant flaws that could misrepresent the performance of electric vehicles like the Kia EV9. They highlight the lack of preconditioning of vehicles, variability due to different drivers, and the impact of elevation changes on range results as critical issues. The speaker calls for improved testing protocols that ensure accurate representation of electric vehicle performance and emphasize consumer needs. Along the way, they discuss various factors affecting range such as weather conditions, battery health, and tire pressure, ultimately advocating for a more transparent and reliable testing methodology that benefits both consumers and manufacturers.

Punti di forza

  • 🚗 The N range test evaluates electric vehicle performance.
  • 🔍 Critique of testing methods reveals critical flaws.
  • 🌡️ Preconditioning is essential for accurate range tests.
  • 📉 Elevation changes can impact range disproportionately.
  • 👥 Different drivers can introduce variability in results.
  • 🌬️ Weather conditions affect vehicle consumption.
  • 🚫 Testing to zero may mislead consumers about real range.
  • ⚙️ Accurate methods yield trustworthy comparisons.
  • 📊 Consumer education on EV testing is crucial.
  • 🏅 Recommendations for improving testing protocols offered.

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  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The speaker introduces the Kia EV9 and discusses their upcoming range test, revealing that they are driving towards a location to test an electric truck from SCNAO. They emphasize the importance of discussing both summer and winter range tests by Nor (N), a prominent automotive organization in Norway, while also mentioning how comments from viewers have prompted them to speak out about these tests.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The speaker explains the Nor range test's setup, emphasizing that it involves multiple vehicles driven by different drivers on a specified route, reflecting on the contrasts between this method and their personal driving tests. They mention that Nor conducts biannual tests, which have gained significant public attention relative to their own individual tests.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    The testing route begins in a garage in downtown Oslo and includes elements of city driving as well as longer stretches on the highway. The speaker notes that the elevation of the route can variably impact test results due to the altitude differences, which can favor certain vehicles during testing based on where they run out of charge.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    A main criticism is presented regarding the lack of preconditioning of the vehicles being tested, which involves both preheating the cabin and battery. The speaker highlights how this can significantly affect electric vehicles' performance in different weather conditions, particularly in winter, and shares their own experience engaging with Nor about these test protocols.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    The speaker critiques the driving conditions during the Nor test, expressing how the variety in drivers and external traffic conditions lead to significant variability in results. They highlight that real-world driving situations—such as slower drivers on the road—can skew outcome comparisons, making definitive conclusions about range challenging.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    The speaker elaborates on the test protocol, mentioning that they drive each vehicle until its battery is depleted and that varying cabin temperature settings can also affect simulation results. They argue that the focus should remain on realistic operational conditions that the average consumer would experience.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Critiques continue as the speaker emphasizes the downsides of testing to complete depletion, suggesting that most drivers would not push their vehicle that far, and this method does not reflect real-world usage patterns. They also discuss the importance of accurately measuring consumption based on various factors, including vehicle weight and speed.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    The speaker discusses their range test experience on battery performance over elevations and notes how various factors such as weight, temperature, and driving conditions can drastically alter perceived range outcomes during testing.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    They suggest Nor could improve their testing methods by correcting for elevation differences, standardizing cabin settings across brands, and reconsidering how they report vehicles' performance, ensuring a more transparent and consumer-friendly methodology.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:51:18

    Finally, the speaker reiterates their intention to provide insight for consumers about range tests to empower better decisions, acknowledging the essential role of accurate testing while expressing a desire for improvements to the existing range tests conducted by Nor. They end by inviting comments and feedback from viewers.

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Video Domande e Risposte

  • What is the N range test?

    The N range test is a range evaluation for electric vehicles conducted by a Norwegian organization to compare their real-world performance.

  • Why is the speaker concerned about the N range test?

    The speaker believes the N range test has significant flaws that may lead to inaccurate representations of vehicle performance.

  • What are some flaws in the N range test?

    Flaws include not preconditioning vehicles, variable driving conditions, elevation changes affecting range, and incorrect handling of the car's state of charge.

  • What alternatives does the speaker suggest for the N range test?

    The speaker suggests modifying the testing methodology to include preconditioning, correcting for elevation changes, and comparing similar cars in the same segment.

  • How does weather affect electric vehicle range tests?

    Cold temperatures can decrease range, while wind conditions can also significantly influence energy consumption during tests.

  • What is the impact of battery preconditioning?

    Preconditioning can optimize battery performance and improve range, which is often not accounted for in current tests.

  • Why don't manufacturers participate in the N range test?

    Some manufacturers, like Toyota, have concerns about the validity and relevance of range tests, arguing that they emphasize range over other important factors.

  • What does the speaker’s own testing methodology include?

    The speaker’s tests account for conditions like elevation changes and weather, ensuring a more accurate representation of vehicle range.

  • How does elevation affect electric vehicle efficiency?

    Higher elevations can lead to increased energy consumption, which may disadvantage vehicles with lower range capabilities.

  • What is the importance of accurate range testing?

    Accurate range testing helps consumers make informed decisions based on real performance data rather than potentially flawed testing results.

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  • 00:00:01
    yo what's up today we're sitting in the
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    Kia
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    ev9 and in this video we're going to
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    talk about the the N range
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    test um yeah it's going to be another 4K
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    podcast I haven't had it in a while I'm
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    actually D now driving uh towards treil
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    with this ev9 I'm going to test drive an
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    electric truck from scna o but okay
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    that'll be covered in another video so
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    today I need to talk about the nor
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    winter range test and the summer range
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    test that they have and uh yeah uh the
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    reason why I I have make this video is
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    because uh there's been many people who
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    asked me in my channel in in the
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    comments uh like hey BJ uh yeah the
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    highi set won the test and uh Tesla did
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    it quite poorly uh what do you what kind
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    of comments do you have about that or
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    that you know and I mean the test has
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    been out for money years now uh enough
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    has been doing this uh but I haven't
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    really bothered to comment about it
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    until now I feel like I need to speak up
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    about that test because there are things
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    about that test that you should know
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    about I think many people don't know or
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    when I read the comments when I see how
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    uh it has been posted on electric I get
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    the impression that they they they have
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    no clue about uh how the test has been
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    done and what kind of obvious flaws it
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    has so um um by the way n is uh a big uh
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    organization in Norway about automobiles
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    uh nor automobile F that's what is uh
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    stands for it's similar to adac in
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    Germany so yeah I don't know in us what
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    they have there but uh so they they will
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    do this uh test twice per year this
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    range test big range test and
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    um uh different from my test because I
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    drive alone I drive just one car at a
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    time time I drive the same stretch
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    actually this stretch over here um uh
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    but they they drive a bunch of cars
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    together and that means they need to
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    have a lot of different dri drivers so
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    it's it's a big uh thing you know and
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    has kind of it has gained more uh
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    publicity over the years uh to the point
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    where uh other I know websites or other
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    EV groups or forums or whatever right
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    car place
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    they they start referring to this
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    test
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    um yeah so so let me then explain first
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    how the test is performed so they start
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    previously they started from vcon
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    uh parking garage downtown Oslo uh but
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    now they start from scoo uh wait was it
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    sco scoo 3 yeah they call but okay it's
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    a tube hman it's a little bit uh yeah
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    it's Central in in the downtown actually
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    pretty much on sea level uh near arbg if
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    you guys know hu hman or that area there
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    and then the route goes uh first
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    straight into the Ring Road and then a
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    little bit into the city Parts at Le on
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    the western
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    side and then uh up towards okay maybe
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    you guys don't care too much about the
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    detail but uh what I'm saying is that
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    there is a bit of City Driving mixed in
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    there but maybe just 10 10 km of City
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    driving until they then hit the Ring
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    Road head north actually similar route
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    that I tend to take when I do the
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    Thunder driving which is uh Highway 4
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    via
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    yic and then they end up in gbrown the
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    godfire valley and they Drive North all
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    the way to
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    dbos and then they drive even further
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    north up the
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    mountains doel uh to Yin and then they
  • 00:03:59
    turn East towards
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    FAL and then once they reach FAL they
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    will then take uh the route straight
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    South uh VI are yeah that Valley and
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    then end up at
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    ringu but they take V big so what I'm
  • 00:04:17
    saying is that um um the route goes to
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    uh roughly 1,000 of a sea level at
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    yashkin a fer is also 700 M with sea
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    level 700 800 depending where you count
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    so I know that route I have taken that
  • 00:04:32
    route many times well maybe not that
  • 00:04:34
    exact ring but I have driven around
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    there many many times like it's like my
  • 00:04:38
    home
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    turf um so that's the route roughly and
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    the the the procedure is that uh first
  • 00:04:45
    of all they don't precondition the car
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    they don't preheat the cabin they don't
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    preheat the battery even if it has a
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    feature like that for example if you
  • 00:04:53
    preheat the Tesla it will actually
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    preheat the battery also some other cars
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    will also do that the Meb cars you know
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    Volkswagen ID3
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    id4 enyak uh even the Q4 rron not the
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    fat rron I don't know about the fat rron
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    probably not but uh which is an
  • 00:05:08
    advantage for electric cars to pre
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    preheat the cabin and preheat the
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    battery it will give the car a better
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    starting position especially in Winter
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    and for some reason enough they don't do
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    that I talked to Enough by the way I I
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    was actually going to participate one
  • 00:05:24
    year uh so I talked to them about this
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    and pointed out the obious
  • 00:05:30
    flaws but then covid happened and then
  • 00:05:33
    the whole enough uh the big the big test
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    was called off and then when they resume
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    again after some long time um I was not
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    invited but I didn't really care because
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    I prefer doing my own thing uh the
  • 00:05:46
    problem with this big test is that they
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    need to nail down a date for the for it
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    long time in advance because so many
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    people are involved whereas when I do my
  • 00:05:55
    test I'm more Nimble I'm more lean well
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    except for I mean not physically but at
  • 00:06:02
    least uh mentally
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    lean but I can I can uh uh do my test
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    when there is no freaking snowstorm
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    outside or something like that you know
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    I try to avoid traffic in
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    general I'll come back to that why but
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    uh but at least uh yeah it's no big deal
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    I don't feel uh uh I don't feel uh Angry
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    or something for not being invited
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    because I actually prefer doing my own
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    thing I'm like Chuck Norris you know so
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    uh I'm the Lone
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    Wolf uh but um yeah
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    so so back to the procedure then yeah so
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    they don't preheat they start driving uh
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    with different drivers some I think some
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    cars even have uh several people in
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    there but it doesn't matter weight
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    doesn't really matter that much unless
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    you end up in the mountain of course I
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    also come back to that but uh but still
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    um just the fact that they have
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    different drivers and that they have to
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    drive on on B roads those most of the
  • 00:07:02
    the route I describe now is mainly on B
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    roads which means that you you have uh
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    uh variable speed and you cannot
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    maintain the same speed for every driver
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    at most situations because because of
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    traffic and they also do this in the
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    daytime uh in a regular I don't know
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    weekday or I'm not sure when but at
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    least there's traffic they have to deal
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    with and I remember when I did the
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    briefing uh that uh the they said well
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    or
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    uh just D follow the speed limit that's
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    one of the kind of rules they set but of
  • 00:07:36
    course if there is a really slow driver
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    then you have to overtake so you can
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    already see that there is already a lot
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    of room for slack and variation here uh
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    and uh variables out of your control
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    yeah like here for
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    examp this guy's driving so slow pause
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    what I know you have BMV but uh how
  • 00:08:02
    about hammering it I mean these forer
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    drivers they always brag that they have
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    so good range and they can just refill
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    in 5 minutes but why do you drive so
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    slow then are you trying to save uh
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    dinosaur
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    juice yeah because dinosaur juice is
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    getting expensive okay time
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    right
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    bye-bye wow huh I saw the guys when I
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    just passed them and they they were
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    sitting in this uh
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    this warm hat there warm beanie that you
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    have also on the side you know like like
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    shop uh like the the type of hat you
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    will wear when you're going on an
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    expedition to the North Pole
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    what either they don't have leftover
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    heat in there or the car is quite cold
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    okay anyway back to
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    the sorry this is a remember that this
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    is a 4K podcast it's a rambling it's a
  • 00:08:57
    rant so uh don't take everything 100%
  • 00:08:59
    seriously and also don't expect
  • 00:09:01
    everything to be nailed down like MKBHD
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    where he just Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam this
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    phone is good this phone is bad yeah
  • 00:09:08
    okay but
  • 00:09:09
    um yeah back to the procedure so the
  • 00:09:13
    fact that they have different drivers
  • 00:09:14
    could open up for uh slack in uh how
  • 00:09:18
    it's been performed uh and I'm not sure
  • 00:09:20
    how strict they can be or I even heard
  • 00:09:23
    that some people they take the the wrong
  • 00:09:25
    they they take the wrong turn you know
  • 00:09:27
    they pull a a James May uh and so on but
  • 00:09:31
    uh yeah maybe it doesn't matter too much
  • 00:09:32
    as long as you follow the the rules of
  • 00:09:34
    the race right or the yeah they call it
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    they call it l Grand Prix uh even though
  • 00:09:40
    it's not really a race it's a range test
  • 00:09:42
    but okay
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    anyway
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    um and um uh they drived and and they're
  • 00:09:50
    supposed to run out juice at one point
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    but also another thing I need to point
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    out is that um uh when it comes to cabin
  • 00:09:57
    temperature I think they set the cabin
  • 00:09:59
    temperature to 21° C but do they take in
  • 00:10:02
    account Chinese cars you know there are
  • 00:10:04
    more and more Chinese cars nowadays and
  • 00:10:06
    do they know that a Chinese car if you
  • 00:10:08
    put it at 21° C it will actually be
  • 00:10:11
    quite cold especially during winter you
  • 00:10:13
    have to have it on
  • 00:10:15
    25 on the Chinese cars most Chinese cars
  • 00:10:19
    um I I this is not just an empty claim I
  • 00:10:22
    have tested this and documented it in
  • 00:10:24
    the video Even and also you know when I
  • 00:10:28
    talk to xbank even xbank told me that uh
  • 00:10:32
    they have tuned the car the H car's HB
  • 00:10:34
    system differently because Chinese
  • 00:10:36
    people when they set to 21° C in Chinese
  • 00:10:39
    summer I guess they expect it to be nice
  • 00:10:42
    and cool they don't want it to be warm
  • 00:10:45
    so what happens during winter in China
  • 00:10:48
    well maybe they don't have cold weather
  • 00:10:50
    in China I don't know man but um so
  • 00:10:54
    again I don't know how the high-fi set
  • 00:10:56
    was tested recently did they put 21° C
  • 00:11:00
    or 25° C in the cabin and then also I
  • 00:11:03
    wonder who tested the I set but okay
  • 00:11:05
    whatever it doesn't matter um but here
  • 00:11:08
    is the essence the main problem the main
  • 00:11:10
    weakness of the test which is that they
  • 00:11:14
    drive until the car
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    stops
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    um and then the then they count how many
  • 00:11:21
    kilometers uh each car has driven and
  • 00:11:26
    like I mentioned initially you go to
  • 00:11:29
    1,000 M with sea level they start at sea
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    level uh so which means that if the car
  • 00:11:35
    is unlucky they will end up up in the
  • 00:11:38
    mountain with no juice right whereas
  • 00:11:41
    other cars with better range or shorter
  • 00:11:43
    range they end up in the
  • 00:11:45
    lowland and how how much uh of impact
  • 00:11:49
    does this elevation change have well I
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    know um a th000 m elevation change
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    depending on the weight of the car is
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    I'm not going to bother you guys with
  • 00:11:58
    all the math but it will uh it will
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    equal to
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    roughly uh 5 to 7 kilow hour but then
  • 00:12:06
    normally they don't end up at sea level
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    anymore they end up around M area uh
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    which is roughly at 200 M of sea level
  • 00:12:15
    uh so so you can say uh roughly four or
  • 00:12:19
    5 kilow hour then right um but at least
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    the difference is that if you end up at
  • 00:12:27
    800 M over sea level versus 200 yeah
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    that's that's that's the you know four
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    five kilowatt hour I'm talking about and
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    then based on the battery size it can
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    mean let's say uh a five maybe not 10%
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    but let's say 5 to
  • 00:12:42
    7% uh disadvantage for some cars and
  • 00:12:46
    also um the the highest point is roughly
  • 00:12:50
    400 km away from Oso so after if the car
  • 00:12:54
    has around 400 km range it would end up
  • 00:12:58
    up there in the highlands rather than a
  • 00:13:01
    couple of yeah well but then you need to
  • 00:13:04
    have at least 100 150 more kilm range so
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    yeah I think roughly if you have around
  • 00:13:09
    500 something km range then you you can
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    run down the hill and regen a
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    lot uh so this is the reason why many
  • 00:13:20
    Teslas they have been performing so well
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    in the summer test because they can
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    clear the mountains get past FLL and
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    then get down in theow land but then uh
  • 00:13:31
    if the conditions are right and it just
  • 00:13:33
    happen to be cold and the cars cannot go
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    that far then they might end up in a
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    mountain uh yeah but when I talk to um
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    enough about this I pointed out this uh
  • 00:13:47
    flaw and they acknowledg that uh they
  • 00:13:50
    understand the flaw and I said it's
  • 00:13:53
    quite easy to correct for this uh if you
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    know the end the end point or where
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    where the car ends up you can uh find
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    out afterwards even the elevation there
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    and you know the the actual weight of
  • 00:14:05
    the car you have to also check the
  • 00:14:06
    actual weight not the claim weight and
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    there here's where the this the extra 75
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    Kg core driver might actually also
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    affect the the
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    result um but you can correct for this
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    in the result but they
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    don't uh which is the biggest flaw with
  • 00:14:24
    a test another fairly big flaw is that
  • 00:14:28
    they test until the car runs out of
  • 00:14:30
    juice I also do that but uh they count
  • 00:14:34
    that range also in the final range which
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    I disagree with because most normal
  • 00:14:39
    people They don't drive the car to zero
  • 00:14:42
    they might drive it down to I mean sorry
  • 00:14:44
    they don't drive it until the car stops
  • 00:14:46
    they might drive it to zero something
  • 00:14:50
    right uh but most people they don't
  • 00:14:53
    count on getting let's say 20 30 kilm
  • 00:14:56
    past zero which which means that
  • 00:14:59
    whatever range each car gets past zero
  • 00:15:02
    is more or less irrelevant and another
  • 00:15:05
    problem is that um uh that that buffer
  • 00:15:09
    that some cars have below zero it
  • 00:15:12
    changes it can change over the year it
  • 00:15:14
    might not change but I've seen examples
  • 00:15:18
    uh that it changes especially in Tesla
  • 00:15:20
    so uh for example if a Tesla is
  • 00:15:23
    relatively new it might have 20 kW hour
  • 00:15:26
    sorry 20 km of buffer or actually not
  • 00:15:29
    kilometer these buffers they are
  • 00:15:30
    measured in kilowatt hour usually not in
  • 00:15:34
    kilometers but you might have somewhere
  • 00:15:36
    between uh 3 and 4 KW hour
  • 00:15:39
    buffer but as the battery ages and also
  • 00:15:43
    if the battery get slightly out of uh
  • 00:15:46
    calibration uh not balancing unbalanced
  • 00:15:51
    uh battery and uncalibrated battery
  • 00:15:53
    those are two different things but if
  • 00:15:55
    the battery is slightly uncalibrated it
  • 00:15:57
    doesn't know the the top and like the
  • 00:15:59
    Max and the Min anymore and then
  • 00:16:01
    suddenly when they think it is at Rock
  • 00:16:03
    Bottom it is not there or or the other
  • 00:16:05
    way around I mean um so I experien this
  • 00:16:08
    many times that you know uh I used to be
  • 00:16:11
    able to drive 20 km past zero% on the
  • 00:16:15
    Tesla but then suddenly in another
  • 00:16:17
    situation the Tesla stopped at 0% or 0
  • 00:16:21
    kilm or or just a couple of kilometers
  • 00:16:24
    past zero so this is why you should not
  • 00:16:27
    count you should not play Russian
  • 00:16:28
    rouette and end up in a place you don't
  • 00:16:30
    want to end up let's say in a tunnel or
  • 00:16:32
    let's say even over here it's a bit
  • 00:16:34
    inconvenient because uh there is no uh
  • 00:16:37
    no emergency stop pocket uh
  • 00:16:42
    right so so they should okay enough
  • 00:16:47
    should count how much try to yeah just
  • 00:16:50
    test how much it goes below 0% but don't
  • 00:16:53
    count it in the final result that's what
  • 00:16:56
    I
  • 00:16:56
    claim and what else else um you know
  • 00:16:59
    when I do my range test I always check
  • 00:17:01
    in GPS what the actual speed is uh for
  • 00:17:05
    example this Kia here I have to drive at
  • 00:17:07
    94 km per hour on the speedle to match
  • 00:17:09
    90 GPS speed I don't know if uh enough
  • 00:17:13
    uh corrects for that or not uh because
  • 00:17:16
    they were probably just instructed to go
  • 00:17:18
    by the speed limit so they just go yeah
  • 00:17:20
    so then most cars they go under the
  • 00:17:21
    speed limit but then but then there's no
  • 00:17:24
    problem right well the problem is that
  • 00:17:26
    some cars like Tesla they have quite
  • 00:17:28
    accurate spedometer but yeah not only
  • 00:17:30
    Tesla but this even depends on the tire
  • 00:17:33
    pressure because the cars have been
  • 00:17:34
    pre-programmed to show a certain speed
  • 00:17:37
    right but then as you change a tire
  • 00:17:39
    pressure you will actually change the
  • 00:17:41
    error
  • 00:17:43
    um so uh for example Tesla normally I
  • 00:17:47
    have to cruise at 91 km/ hour whereas
  • 00:17:51
    some other cars I have the cruise at
  • 00:17:53
    almost 95 96 yeah and that actually
  • 00:17:57
    becomes uh significant that you can
  • 00:17:59
    drive slow especially if you have a big
  • 00:18:01
    boxy car and you can actually drive
  • 00:18:03
    slower than the other
  • 00:18:04
    cars so um and another thing is uh
  • 00:18:08
    distance error uh if I don't know how
  • 00:18:11
    the test has been performed because I
  • 00:18:12
    never had participated and I never uh
  • 00:18:15
    ask in detail but from what I remember
  • 00:18:17
    maybe they use GPS for that part but why
  • 00:18:19
    the heck is this truck driving so
  • 00:18:21
    slow um what the heck no but okay so uh
  • 00:18:25
    another problem yeah is distance error
  • 00:18:27
    if they look at the trip meter trip
  • 00:18:30
    meter I found out to also have error it
  • 00:18:33
    it is not the corresponding error with
  • 00:18:34
    the speed but some people think but um
  • 00:18:38
    when it comes to the speed error this
  • 00:18:40
    has has actually been pre-programmed by
  • 00:18:42
    the car manufacturer on purpose in case
  • 00:18:44
    you have incorrect tire pressure they
  • 00:18:46
    don't want you to go over the speed
  • 00:18:47
    limit on accident however I think that's
  • 00:18:50
    a bit weird
  • 00:18:52
    because all the systems speed cameras or
  • 00:18:55
    poit ey when they want to catch you
  • 00:18:57
    speeding they will over always deduct 1
  • 00:18:59
    to 2 km per hour
  • 00:19:01
    anyway and also most systems they even
  • 00:19:04
    have some slack so you you have to go
  • 00:19:07
    more than just a couple of kilm per hour
  • 00:19:09
    over the speed limit unless you're in
  • 00:19:10
    Thailand yeah then they add kilm per
  • 00:19:13
    hour I don't know just get depression
  • 00:19:15
    that's how they do it over there but um
  • 00:19:19
    so so the the distance error is also
  • 00:19:22
    significant because I have measured over
  • 00:19:24
    and over again especially when they do
  • 00:19:25
    1,000 K Challenge uh you guys see that I
  • 00:19:27
    don't count to 1,000 many times I I
  • 00:19:30
    count to I think the the highest error I
  • 00:19:32
    had was 2.7% in the ipas ipas was
  • 00:19:35
    actually Under reporting so in the ipas
  • 00:19:37
    I count to uh
  • 00:19:40
    9 uh uh
  • 00:19:42
    70 uh 3 km I think it was right which is
  • 00:19:46
    actually real 1,000 and this is again
  • 00:19:49
    not just an empty claim because when I
  • 00:19:51
    do my 1,000 K challenges I end I I tend
  • 00:19:54
    to also end up on the same uh Chargers
  • 00:19:57
    which means that I Drive the same
  • 00:19:58
    distance for every car and then I when I
  • 00:20:01
    when I do the countown I end up at the
  • 00:20:03
    same spot every time you know if if my
  • 00:20:09
    my measur measurements were not correct
  • 00:20:10
    I would end up at different spots and
  • 00:20:13
    then there's something wrong right then
  • 00:20:14
    we have
  • 00:20:16
    ug owls in the Moss yeah so um so then
  • 00:20:21
    then I don't know how they measure the
  • 00:20:22
    distance
  • 00:20:23
    correctly uh I can admit that I have
  • 00:20:26
    made some errors in the past when I did
  • 00:20:28
    the when I did the 24-hour uh world
  • 00:20:31
    record with the model 3 and also the
  • 00:20:33
    hypermiling with various cars Tesla and
  • 00:20:36
    Kaa I look at the cars
  • 00:20:39
    display uh yeah not uh GPS uh distance
  • 00:20:45
    corrected
  • 00:20:46
    whatever so you see if you want to
  • 00:20:48
    measure everything correctly and
  • 00:20:50
    especially if you you're going to
  • 00:20:51
    compare against a bunch of other cars
  • 00:20:53
    you have to be ABC you have to be as
  • 00:20:56
    correct as possible and this test
  • 00:20:58
    unfortunately is
  • 00:21:00
    not and uh uh what other problems is out
  • 00:21:04
    there um yeah that that's mainly the the
  • 00:21:08
    the flaws with the test
  • 00:21:11
    um so so why I why did I make this video
  • 00:21:17
    well
  • 00:21:19
    because I feel like I need to educate
  • 00:21:21
    people and I'm not making this video to
  • 00:21:24
    make my test myself look better and not
  • 00:21:27
    look worse
  • 00:21:28
    actually I praise enough for making this
  • 00:21:30
    test I I I also have big respect for
  • 00:21:33
    them because they organizing something
  • 00:21:35
    big like this takes a lot of effort I
  • 00:21:37
    have done some races with just two
  • 00:21:40
    people right or three people uh but
  • 00:21:42
    mostly two people I have to collect some
  • 00:21:44
    press cars and return them and organize
  • 00:21:46
    and if we go far we have some sleepover
  • 00:21:48
    went we went to the Arctic Circle to pay
  • 00:21:51
    for the hotel we have to nail the date
  • 00:21:53
    and and there's so much stuff and you
  • 00:21:55
    can imagine the tenfold of this uh when
  • 00:21:57
    you have over 20 cars
  • 00:21:59
    participating uh how much work it is
  • 00:22:02
    behind it uh but I feel like uh it is
  • 00:22:06
    important to have real world test
  • 00:22:08
    because uh you don't always achieve that
  • 00:22:10
    some car manufacturers like we've seen
  • 00:22:12
    in the past ipace like Toyota B Set uh
  • 00:22:16
    people cannot achieve the claimed vtp
  • 00:22:19
    range oh yeah another thing I need to
  • 00:22:21
    point out is that um KN they they focus
  • 00:22:26
    a lot on comparing their own test which
  • 00:22:29
    is flawed versus vtp Range and vtp is
  • 00:22:32
    different it is a test cycle that they
  • 00:22:35
    have uh worked out that is based on uh
  • 00:22:39
    18° C ambient
  • 00:22:41
    temperature and uh agback off so it
  • 00:22:47
    almost doesn't make any sense to compare
  • 00:22:49
    that so-called summer result against a
  • 00:22:52
    winter cell or they should at least
  • 00:22:53
    emphasize that you know okay uh the cars
  • 00:22:56
    they have a big deviation but remember
  • 00:22:59
    that this is winter result it was quite
  • 00:23:01
    cold outside um there's no too much
  • 00:23:04
    detail about the the cars they
  • 00:23:08
    tested how how cold was it outside what
  • 00:23:10
    kind of tires rims did we have you know
  • 00:23:13
    stuff that actually affects the
  • 00:23:15
    consumption the result so
  • 00:23:18
    um yeah uh sorry I just have to focus
  • 00:23:22
    now on getting past this left lane Huger
  • 00:23:24
    but I also have to focus on uh on the
  • 00:23:26
    light conditions
  • 00:23:30
    yeah okay but
  • 00:23:31
    anyway uh what else is it um man there's
  • 00:23:35
    so much stuff I need to talk about uh I
  • 00:23:38
    I can talk about Toyota by the way
  • 00:23:39
    Toyota purposely um refused to uh join
  • 00:23:45
    this event or they didn't they didn't
  • 00:23:47
    provide a
  • 00:23:48
    car um and then I did some digging and
  • 00:23:52
    WR read some uh articles and it turns
  • 00:23:54
    out that Toyota they
  • 00:23:56
    um
  • 00:23:58
    well okay well let me just tell the
  • 00:23:59
    story right so you get one part of the
  • 00:24:02
    story and I I'll explain so so what
  • 00:24:04
    happened was that so then enough they
  • 00:24:07
    went ahead and they rented a car instead
  • 00:24:10
    a Toyota B set because they considered
  • 00:24:12
    that uh the betet is quite important uh
  • 00:24:15
    lots of customers have been asking them
  • 00:24:16
    about the betet you know are you going
  • 00:24:18
    to test the betet and they be like yeah
  • 00:24:20
    of course but then somehow they ended up
  • 00:24:22
    with a rental car that had 33,000 km on
  • 00:24:25
    the odometer and they did the test and
  • 00:24:29
    Toyota didn't go that far uh 300 and
  • 00:24:31
    something kilm
  • 00:24:33
    uh but as expected I don't know 300 km I
  • 00:24:37
    think yeah that sounds like they went
  • 00:24:38
    semi up the hill maybe yeah some they
  • 00:24:41
    gained some elevation before they ran
  • 00:24:43
    out they didn't run out in the
  • 00:24:44
    lowlands which is a disadvantage for the
  • 00:24:48
    Toyota um but then afterwards Toyota
  • 00:24:51
    they were not happy and they had some
  • 00:24:54
    press release about uh this that um uh
  • 00:24:58
    uh yeah know they should have n should
  • 00:25:00
    have used the the B set 4X the newest
  • 00:25:03
    one which has some improvements some
  • 00:25:06
    upgrades yeah uh and that they did they
  • 00:25:09
    they didn't were not happy that enough
  • 00:25:11
    used a secondhand uh car with so high
  • 00:25:14
    mileage and I was thinking well excuse
  • 00:25:17
    more uh Toyota they have 1 million kilm
  • 00:25:20
    of uh battery warranty right so and then
  • 00:25:22
    the car also gives you punishment points
  • 00:25:25
    if you try to fast charge too much so
  • 00:25:27
    they should be quite confident that a
  • 00:25:30
    car with 33k on the elabor should not
  • 00:25:32
    have much much uh degradation at all
  • 00:25:36
    right maybe if there is any maybe 1
  • 00:25:38
    kilowatt hour which shouldn't affect the
  • 00:25:40
    consump the result too much but then
  • 00:25:43
    what about the the the improvements on
  • 00:25:45
    the latest and greatest uh uh B set 4X
  • 00:25:48
    then well I don't know what's up with
  • 00:25:50
    that but at least that's how the story
  • 00:25:53
    was roughly and I was like lol uh they
  • 00:25:57
    should have just provided with the new
  • 00:25:59
    the latest and greatest betet 4X but
  • 00:26:01
    here's the thing that Toyota they they
  • 00:26:04
    are kind of against this test because um
  • 00:26:08
    they claim that range test has been
  • 00:26:11
    tested uh it is like it is pointless
  • 00:26:15
    kind of you know in my words my own
  • 00:26:16
    words is that they claim that it is
  • 00:26:18
    pointless uh because uh range is not the
  • 00:26:22
    only thing that people
  • 00:26:24
    consider and uh there are other aspect
  • 00:26:27
    of the car and also they claim that you
  • 00:26:29
    need to usually take a rest anyway after
  • 00:26:32
    several hours of driving and then you
  • 00:26:33
    might as well plug in charge which I
  • 00:26:35
    agree with yeah today's cars they have
  • 00:26:38
    so good range that normally you know
  • 00:26:40
    especially when I do 1,000 K Challenge I
  • 00:26:42
    kind of need to stretch it but for the
  • 00:26:44
    1,000 K Challenge there's a different
  • 00:26:46
    scenario you are able to go fast uh like
  • 00:26:49
    over here and then you drain the battery
  • 00:26:50
    faster so the time you spend until you
  • 00:26:52
    need to charge might be just uh let's
  • 00:26:55
    say 2 hours some people want want to go
  • 00:26:57
    go further than 2 hours especially
  • 00:26:59
    during winter but at least if you drive
  • 00:27:01
    on B roads then you can actually go
  • 00:27:03
    maybe 5 6 hours before you need to
  • 00:27:05
    charge so so I do agree at some extent
  • 00:27:09
    with Toyota but the problem is that even
  • 00:27:13
    today people do consider range as one
  • 00:27:16
    criteria when they consider the car so
  • 00:27:18
    doing a real well test of the range
  • 00:27:22
    still matters so yeah um but you see
  • 00:27:28
    why am I making this test why sorry why
  • 00:27:30
    am I making this video because I
  • 00:27:31
    actually want to help the car
  • 00:27:34
    manufacturers because I feel the
  • 00:27:36
    frustration with the car manufacturers
  • 00:27:37
    because they are thrown into this and
  • 00:27:40
    man it's not only Toyota by the way um
  • 00:27:43
    BMV I talked to Modio from BMV about
  • 00:27:46
    this uh they provided with another car
  • 00:27:49
    another I5 when they did the
  • 00:27:52
    test uh they were kind of just following
  • 00:27:54
    shadowing the other car uh but they also
  • 00:27:57
    came out openly that they are not doing
  • 00:27:59
    this to control to verify the test they
  • 00:28:02
    actually wanted to learn more about it
  • 00:28:04
    and also gather their own
  • 00:28:06
    data so that's that's you know BMV and I
  • 00:28:11
    also heard that other brands uh they
  • 00:28:13
    also had some people from the
  • 00:28:15
    manufacturer uh to observe or join them
  • 00:28:18
    since this is just test on an open road
  • 00:28:21
    Public Road anyone can actually join
  • 00:28:23
    them right as long as they don't disturb
  • 00:28:25
    the test
  • 00:28:26
    cars
  • 00:28:28
    uh but I also talked to some other uh
  • 00:28:30
    people in the car
  • 00:28:32
    industry and many of them they agree
  • 00:28:34
    that this test is
  • 00:28:37
    flawed uh there some of them also like
  • 00:28:39
    Fred uh M shc from El 24 he also had a
  • 00:28:43
    an article when he pretty much said the
  • 00:28:46
    same thing I said about this
  • 00:28:49
    test B foring which is the the Norwegian
  • 00:28:52
    EV Association they also disagree with
  • 00:28:55
    this test they think the same thing pry
  • 00:28:57
    much much uh the test setup is uh uh has
  • 00:29:00
    errors that has not been corrected for
  • 00:29:03
    and it gives wrong impression of uh each
  • 00:29:05
    car or it makes it unfair uh for each
  • 00:29:07
    car I'm by the way I'm not making this
  • 00:29:09
    video to defend Tesla it's like I said
  • 00:29:12
    you know cars that has roughly 400 km
  • 00:29:14
    range they get a a very big
  • 00:29:17
    disadvantage so oh now we get pretty bad
  • 00:29:21
    light conditions um we'll see how it
  • 00:29:23
    goes but
  • 00:29:25
    um yeah so so in a way um silently the
  • 00:29:30
    car manufacturers they are just
  • 00:29:32
    suffering and they be like ah [ __ ] you
  • 00:29:34
    know not much to
  • 00:29:35
    do and also other car uh Enthusiast or
  • 00:29:40
    uh you know they also kind of face pal
  • 00:29:43
    silently but uh um for some reason yeah
  • 00:29:47
    uh enough they don't correct for this
  • 00:29:49
    and they keep doing these
  • 00:29:50
    tests and uh uh clueless uh
  • 00:29:55
    consumers they uh just uh yeah they see
  • 00:30:00
    the test and they they just read the
  • 00:30:03
    conclusions right which is that highi
  • 00:30:05
    set won the test it had the longest
  • 00:30:08
    range but yeah I forgot to mention one
  • 00:30:10
    other thing uh another flaw with the
  • 00:30:12
    test uh is that they only Test new cars
  • 00:30:18
    uh coming out uh this year 2024 or late
  • 00:30:21
    2023 and they only compare them against
  • 00:30:25
    each other which means that the high-i
  • 00:30:26
    set
  • 00:30:27
    which has 120 KW hour battery cost over
  • 00:30:31
    €100,000 was never compared against a
  • 00:30:34
    Model S long range Palladium for example
  • 00:30:37
    or an eqs or an eqe at least you know
  • 00:30:42
    something with 100 12 120 KW
  • 00:30:47
    battery uh wait
  • 00:30:51
    sh okay brain working hard calculating
  • 00:30:55
    projection um so so that yeah and also
  • 00:31:00
    for for the case of Tesla yeah um I also
  • 00:31:04
    noticed that uh the Highland for some
  • 00:31:06
    reason had somewhat High consumption
  • 00:31:08
    compared to some other cars which also
  • 00:31:10
    doesn't make any sense because I have
  • 00:31:11
    tested over and over again and found out
  • 00:31:13
    that Highland is super efficient
  • 00:31:15
    especially during winter and even if you
  • 00:31:17
    didn't preheat the battery and cabin um
  • 00:31:20
    eventually things will flatten out it
  • 00:31:22
    will even out and uh the more efficient
  • 00:31:24
    car in the long run should still be able
  • 00:31:26
    to uh to do it well but um based on the
  • 00:31:31
    test setup I suspect that maybe the
  • 00:31:34
    Highland run out in the highlands yeah
  • 00:31:37
    and that's why it uh did it poorly and
  • 00:31:40
    also uh yeah in terms of uh consumption
  • 00:31:42
    numbers by the way if you run out of
  • 00:31:45
    juice uh in the Highland um it could
  • 00:31:48
    actually be as much as 10 to 20 wat hour
  • 00:31:51
    per kilm
  • 00:31:52
    difference in consumption or or kilowatt
  • 00:31:56
    hour per 100 kilm yeah and also when you
  • 00:32:00
    also count in other factors uh like I
  • 00:32:03
    mentioned the spedometer error the
  • 00:32:05
    whatever right
  • 00:32:06
    yeah but um one thing I should also
  • 00:32:09
    point out is that Tesla tends to
  • 00:32:11
    overport the distance so when you see
  • 00:32:13
    that oh you have driven uh 1,000 km in
  • 00:32:16
    Tesla it is not 1,000 it is maybe 990
  • 00:32:21
    985
  • 00:32:23
    km that means that uh in a way the the
  • 00:32:26
    the consumption number there is like
  • 00:32:28
    it's l it's lower I mean sorry it's it's
  • 00:32:31
    the real the reality is that consumption
  • 00:32:32
    is higher but Tesla is not unique there
  • 00:32:34
    are all money other cars who also
  • 00:32:35
    overport like that but I also need to
  • 00:32:38
    point on one other thing some people
  • 00:32:39
    claim that Tesla uh consumption is
  • 00:32:42
    incorrect because they don't count
  • 00:32:44
    everything everything that some people
  • 00:32:46
    even claim that the heater is not
  • 00:32:47
    counted that is [ __ ] I don't know
  • 00:32:49
    where they get it from I've tested it
  • 00:32:51
    over and over again Tesla counts
  • 00:32:53
    everything however Tesla does not count
  • 00:32:54
    when you're stationary and that's also
  • 00:32:57
    not unique with Tesla even this uh ev9
  • 00:33:00
    doesn't count when you're stationary but
  • 00:33:01
    then for some reason the German cars if
  • 00:33:04
    as long as you uh the car is on and you
  • 00:33:06
    are in park even it counts which I
  • 00:33:09
    disagree with because uh that is not the
  • 00:33:11
    part of the test well I mean that is not
  • 00:33:14
    part of the the trip the trip stops when
  • 00:33:16
    you put the car in park even when you're
  • 00:33:18
    in a stop light uh you don't have to be
  • 00:33:21
    in park you can just be in drive and
  • 00:33:22
    with auto hole and [ __ ] like that well
  • 00:33:25
    okay anyway uh back to the enough uh
  • 00:33:28
    thing again so um uh
  • 00:33:31
    yeah um you see I'm I'm not the only one
  • 00:33:35
    here who uh who claims that the test is
  • 00:33:38
    flawed like I mentioned they are big
  • 00:33:41
    actor big big uh uh like groups or
  • 00:33:45
    whatever I should call them uh out there
  • 00:33:46
    who also uh claims the same uh and since
  • 00:33:51
    I have a big Channel and people start
  • 00:33:52
    bugging me about this I feel like just
  • 00:33:54
    like when you guys bug me about the sun
  • 00:33:55
    you know I feel like I need to speak up
  • 00:33:57
    a bit uh and maybe uh uh convince enough
  • 00:34:01
    that they need to test change this test
  • 00:34:03
    because they're now sitting on the data
  • 00:34:05
    set uh of previous results and um which
  • 00:34:09
    is flawed uh but they can actually even
  • 00:34:11
    correct this afterwards if they find out
  • 00:34:14
    at least the biggest flaw you know
  • 00:34:15
    elevation change they can correct for
  • 00:34:17
    this but they should also in the future
  • 00:34:19
    uh have more accurate
  • 00:34:22
    test yeah with all the factors because
  • 00:34:25
    you know when I do my range test
  • 00:34:27
    I take in account everything I mentioned
  • 00:34:30
    here uh but I also uh show you if the
  • 00:34:33
    road is wet if it's windy even I don't
  • 00:34:35
    lie about that
  • 00:34:38
    um and what else uh and yeah and but my
  • 00:34:42
    test goes from A to B to a I have the
  • 00:34:44
    ABA testing yeah uh they have the ABC
  • 00:34:48
    testing no but um so I I start and end
  • 00:34:53
    at the same point which then uh corrects
  • 00:34:56
    for elevation change or there's no
  • 00:34:59
    elevation uh CH Advantage at least but
  • 00:35:02
    when it comes to win wind will actually
  • 00:35:04
    also affect the consumption I forgot to
  • 00:35:06
    mention that um if you are uh unlucky
  • 00:35:10
    and you have lots of headwind right in
  • 00:35:13
    the
  • 00:35:13
    beginning uh that that that becomes a
  • 00:35:17
    disadvantage for you but then some cars
  • 00:35:19
    who are lucky to clear that and they can
  • 00:35:20
    turn around they then get the Tailwind
  • 00:35:23
    but also win is kind of tricky because
  • 00:35:25
    it doesn't have the same direction all
  • 00:35:26
    over over the place so some places you
  • 00:35:29
    can have tail win one
  • 00:35:31
    place uh and then you get you turn
  • 00:35:33
    around and you get Tailwind again on
  • 00:35:36
    another Valley or some [ __ ] like or or
  • 00:35:38
    later in the day yeah the wind also
  • 00:35:40
    changes like that so I I have over 10
  • 00:35:44
    years of experience with testing cars
  • 00:35:47
    and also when I started doing range test
  • 00:35:49
    that was roughly maybe
  • 00:35:50
    eight eight 7even eight years
  • 00:35:53
    ago I have so much experience with how
  • 00:35:56
    stuff affects it and even when it comes
  • 00:35:58
    to wind even when you start and end at
  • 00:36:01
    the same point if you have strong wind
  • 00:36:04
    that that affects it
  • 00:36:06
    negatively uh because of the fix but
  • 00:36:09
    yeah something
  • 00:36:10
    about when you have headwind versus
  • 00:36:14
    Tailwind uh the difference in
  • 00:36:16
    consumption when you go against the wind
  • 00:36:18
    is less if you go back or some [ __ ] like
  • 00:36:20
    that I don't remember exactly how it was
  • 00:36:22
    uh but also even if you have Crosswinds
  • 00:36:25
    so that you don't get headwind
  • 00:36:26
    crosswinds also makes the consumption go
  • 00:36:28
    up in most cases but then Nissan they
  • 00:36:31
    claim that they have designed the Nissan
  • 00:36:33
    Leaf the 40 Kow leaf and so on to be
  • 00:36:36
    able to utilize the crosswind I'm like
  • 00:36:38
    huh really is it sailing on it like o
  • 00:36:41
    okay that's simply
  • 00:36:43
    amazing yeah but um uh so you see that
  • 00:36:48
    I'm just dipping into the surface here
  • 00:36:49
    but uh um there are so many factors that
  • 00:36:53
    uh affects the consumption oh another
  • 00:36:54
    thing by the way tire pressure yeah
  • 00:36:57
    and also rims uh and also by the way uh
  • 00:37:00
    Toyota they were not happy because the
  • 00:37:02
    that test car they had had not original
  • 00:37:04
    rims uh but from what what I saw in the
  • 00:37:07
    picture it seems to not have any crazy
  • 00:37:10
    low profile tires at least so at least
  • 00:37:12
    if the tires are fairly normal size and
  • 00:37:15
    also maybe normal brand right like nukan
  • 00:37:19
    or some more of the common ones Nan or
  • 00:37:22
    Continental pelli then no problem right
  • 00:37:27
    so uh yeah and also well when it comes
  • 00:37:29
    to the test with with the Toyota uh
  • 00:37:33
    since since they're driving so muchat
  • 00:37:35
    slow uh we are talking about 60 km per
  • 00:37:38
    hour average speed here uh the the the
  • 00:37:42
    shape of the rim does not matter too
  • 00:37:44
    much the tire can matter because the
  • 00:37:47
    tire rolling resistance of the tire is
  • 00:37:49
    more or less constant uh it can change
  • 00:37:51
    maybe based on temperatur and stuff uh
  • 00:37:54
    or Surface but as long as you have
  • 00:37:57
    common Tire brand then shouldn't be a
  • 00:38:01
    problem so so if I would investigate
  • 00:38:04
    more into the Toyota case I could find
  • 00:38:06
    out lots of stuff you know but I I don't
  • 00:38:09
    have time to do that I just read the
  • 00:38:11
    some some stuff and make my conclusion
  • 00:38:15
    based on it which should still be quite
  • 00:38:17
    accurate
  • 00:38:19
    anyway um yeah so so
  • 00:38:24
    um uh what else was going to
  • 00:38:28
    say it is uh yeah okay so for for this
  • 00:38:33
    video to be somewhat useful for for
  • 00:38:35
    enough I should come with come up with
  • 00:38:37
    some recommendation what they should do
  • 00:38:39
    to change this so one thing they should
  • 00:38:41
    do is to correct for the elevation
  • 00:38:43
    change either by finding out the
  • 00:38:45
    elevation where the car stopped um they
  • 00:38:49
    should also not count below zero or at
  • 00:38:51
    least they can they can document it but
  • 00:38:52
    not put it in the final uh table they
  • 00:38:55
    should compare against other comparable
  • 00:38:57
    cars in the same price range the same
  • 00:38:59
    segment you know like high-fi set you
  • 00:39:02
    have to compare it against an eqs and a
  • 00:39:04
    Model S which has a similar shape and
  • 00:39:06
    similar price you know uh similar
  • 00:39:09
    battery
  • 00:39:10
    size
  • 00:39:12
    um and what else you should also uh what
  • 00:39:16
    the heck is going on there there's a
  • 00:39:17
    dude walking by
  • 00:39:21
    okay um wait I have to pay I have to
  • 00:39:24
    focus in case there's some yeah okay
  • 00:39:26
    okay
  • 00:39:30
    okay I don't know what's going on
  • 00:39:33
    there oh yeah my recommendation either
  • 00:39:37
    they do that they apply correction
  • 00:39:40
    or uh maybe even better in my opinion is
  • 00:39:45
    that they should um start and end okay
  • 00:39:50
    the end point shouldn't be in the
  • 00:39:51
    Highland um but I can see that it could
  • 00:39:54
    be Troublesome or a little bit
  • 00:39:56
    challenging in to uh to maybe end up at
  • 00:39:59
    uh at uh sea level or around around uh
  • 00:40:05
    Oslo yeah especially Depending on time
  • 00:40:08
    of the day and [ __ ] like that right uh
  • 00:40:12
    but at least if you can try to end up
  • 00:40:14
    somewhere outside of Osa that would be
  • 00:40:16
    great yeah because then you will have
  • 00:40:20
    less uh I mean the the the the elevation
  • 00:40:23
    change will be less and it will be
  • 00:40:27
    um it would be the same for every car if
  • 00:40:30
    each car actually ends up at the same
  • 00:40:32
    end point so what they can do is that
  • 00:40:34
    they can do the yic route or whatever
  • 00:40:36
    right but then once you hit around 55 to
  • 00:40:40
    60% you should turn back but it depends
  • 00:40:43
    if they're not driving the same distance
  • 00:40:45
    back again let's say at least
  • 00:40:47
    60% uh I mean why do I say this because
  • 00:40:50
    uh each car they have different way of
  • 00:40:53
    displaying percent actually the Korean
  • 00:40:56
    cars they have nonlinear state of charge
  • 00:40:58
    scale so when you have discharged it
  • 00:41:00
    down to 50% battery when you do the math
  • 00:41:04
    you have spent more than 60% of the
  • 00:41:05
    energy in the
  • 00:41:07
    battery this is quite common well I mean
  • 00:41:09
    maybe it's not common knowledge but I
  • 00:41:11
    have known this for a long year for a
  • 00:41:12
    long time I have measured this over and
  • 00:41:15
    over again and also the Korean car is
  • 00:41:17
    not unique other cars uh are also doing
  • 00:41:19
    it but for example Tesla again dead e
  • 00:41:22
    dead accurate
  • 00:41:24
    50% St charge is 50 wait [ __ ] oh uh I
  • 00:41:30
    have to call them later okay but um yeah
  • 00:41:35
    it's probably the place calling me that
  • 00:41:37
    but okay uh I need to wrap up uh soon
  • 00:41:40
    but
  • 00:41:42
    um um you should try to get back to the
  • 00:41:46
    same position uh yes so my plan is as as
  • 00:41:49
    long as you turn around at least at
  • 00:41:51
    55% s the charge you should be able to
  • 00:41:53
    go back to the starting point or close
  • 00:41:55
    to the starting point whatever you want
  • 00:41:56
    to to end up right outside the
  • 00:41:58
    city uh because even even Aviation
  • 00:42:02
    change can change uh um when you go up a
  • 00:42:05
    hill and then you go down the hill the
  • 00:42:07
    way some cars uh region and stuff can be
  • 00:42:11
    different but at least if we end up the
  • 00:42:13
    same point that is
  • 00:42:15
    better so uh what else uh can be done
  • 00:42:18
    yeah spedometer speed correction and
  • 00:42:21
    whatever you know still needs to be
  • 00:42:22
    taken uh in
  • 00:42:25
    consideration um uh and then suddenly we
  • 00:42:27
    will have a a good result that that uh
  • 00:42:31
    the car manufacturer will
  • 00:42:33
    acknowledge uh because also another
  • 00:42:35
    thing I need to point out is that uh
  • 00:42:38
    enough uh at least they they claim
  • 00:42:40
    themselves that the test or that the
  • 00:42:43
    consumers are important so maybe they
  • 00:42:47
    don't say this directly that the test is
  • 00:42:49
    done for the consumers but at least I
  • 00:42:51
    haven't found a place where they say
  • 00:42:52
    that they do this test for car
  • 00:42:54
    manufacturers so when I read between the
  • 00:42:57
    lines they are doing this for the
  • 00:42:58
    consumers and if they care and if they
  • 00:43:01
    make this test for the consumers I mean
  • 00:43:02
    they even pull pull in uh B 4X with
  • 00:43:05
    their own uh money right they rented one
  • 00:43:08
    for the consumers because the consumers
  • 00:43:09
    want to know this well if if they want
  • 00:43:12
    to do this for the consumers they have
  • 00:43:14
    to remember that the consumers are dumb
  • 00:43:16
    okay sorry for the uh for me speaking
  • 00:43:19
    from theer but the consumers they don't
  • 00:43:21
    have time to to understand state of
  • 00:43:24
    charge scale linearity or heat loss and
  • 00:43:27
    preheating and Battery temperature and
  • 00:43:29
    heat Scavenging they don't know all that
  • 00:43:30
    [ __ ] all they care about is to look at
  • 00:43:33
    the test for 5 minutes and find out
  • 00:43:34
    which car is best for them so that's why
  • 00:43:37
    they have to be as correct as possible
  • 00:43:39
    they don't have to explain all the
  • 00:43:40
    corrections or anything like that as
  • 00:43:42
    long as the result they have there is
  • 00:43:44
    correct and another way of verifying
  • 00:43:47
    this is that if other car tester like me
  • 00:43:50
    or lb 24 which is really skill uh people
  • 00:43:54
    and also uh El foring and and Kyle and
  • 00:43:59
    battery life or know as long as those
  • 00:44:01
    people we end up with the same result
  • 00:44:03
    that means that that result is
  • 00:44:05
    trustworthy if some German car
  • 00:44:08
    manufacturer if some German car
  • 00:44:11
    tester suddenly tests uh the new fat
  • 00:44:13
    rron in downhill and uh Tailwind in
  • 00:44:17
    Germany with h off and he finds out that
  • 00:44:20
    the latest fat rron is super
  • 00:44:23
    efficient uh are people going to believe
  • 00:44:25
    that yeah some people might fall for it
  • 00:44:27
    but uh most people in the car industry
  • 00:44:29
    be like LOL that test is rigged you
  • 00:44:33
    know yeah
  • 00:44:36
    so
  • 00:44:37
    um and also I remember there was one guy
  • 00:44:40
    he was like yeah but LOL uh uh the N
  • 00:44:45
    test is fine you know you're just
  • 00:44:47
    nitpicking it's just minor Minor error
  • 00:44:50
    who cares about that well the the the
  • 00:44:54
    measurement error is big bigger than you
  • 00:44:56
    think you know recently I got some uh
  • 00:45:00
    shower walls installed and uh the
  • 00:45:02
    plumber wanted me to measure how big the
  • 00:45:04
    the measurement of the shower wall how
  • 00:45:06
    big is it and it's it's well downstairs
  • 00:45:11
    is 90 CM upstairs is 100 cm let's take
  • 00:45:13
    100 cm as an example right so if you
  • 00:45:16
    have 100 cm shower wall and then the
  • 00:45:18
    measuring tape what they were I use it's
  • 00:45:21
    not accurate right well I need to
  • 00:45:24
    hammer
  • 00:45:26
    oh is coming through yeah okay but yeah
  • 00:45:31
    if if uh let's say if the real uh
  • 00:45:34
    distance or yeah yeah if the if the
  • 00:45:36
    shower wall is not 100 cm if it's
  • 00:45:40
    99.7 then it's fine and you measure it
  • 00:45:42
    right with 1 or 2 mm Precision but in
  • 00:45:45
    this case if it's supposed to be 100 cm
  • 00:45:48
    and you measure it to be 90 CM or 95 CM
  • 00:45:52
    you see the
  • 00:45:53
    problem the plumber will then order
  • 00:45:56
    shower wall fit for 95 cm and then
  • 00:45:59
    suddenly it doesn't
  • 00:46:01
    fit that is basically uh the the N test
  • 00:46:04
    in a
  • 00:46:05
    nutshell so uh I
  • 00:46:10
    mean uh how do I explain this that uh
  • 00:46:12
    you know even my tests are not 100%
  • 00:46:15
    correct you know my my uh my range test
  • 00:46:18
    or
  • 00:46:19
    whatever but at least I claim that my
  • 00:46:21
    test I taken so many things in
  • 00:46:24
    consideration so they they are down to
  • 00:46:26
    the millimeter position but then the N
  • 00:46:28
    test is in the in the cenm position in
  • 00:46:32
    comparison so yeah um but I mean uh like
  • 00:46:38
    I said you know I I I don't want to be
  • 00:46:40
    uh I don't want to be uh uh enemies with
  • 00:46:44
    enough they are cool people uh they they
  • 00:46:47
    do great job I just feel like they need
  • 00:46:50
    to get a little nudge and uh and get uh
  • 00:46:54
    uh yeah maybe get some tip about how
  • 00:46:57
    they should do things and also I I feel
  • 00:46:59
    like I need to educate my audience that
  • 00:47:02
    uh uh um yeah you you just have to
  • 00:47:05
    understand every aspect of uh tests uh
  • 00:47:08
    done here and there
  • 00:47:10
    right so um yeah um let me see uh [ __ ] I
  • 00:47:15
    need to call back that
  • 00:47:17
    dude uh yeah
  • 00:47:21
    uh I think I'm getting close to no no
  • 00:47:24
    let me check here I need to no no
  • 00:47:25
    actually I'm fine I'm fine I can talk
  • 00:47:26
    longer but I feel like the video is
  • 00:47:28
    getting uh too long already so maybe um
  • 00:47:31
    maybe I should end it yeah before uh
  • 00:47:34
    it's too
  • 00:47:35
    late but um yeah um there was actually
  • 00:47:39
    some other things I I read there was a
  • 00:47:41
    very interesting uh like the the more
  • 00:47:45
    you read about this like
  • 00:47:49
    uh yeah I I don't know how much I should
  • 00:47:52
    talk about all this stuff but it it's
  • 00:47:56
    when it comes to Toyota you know and the
  • 00:47:58
    range test and and yeah for example I
  • 00:48:01
    can I I actually admit that my 1,000 K
  • 00:48:04
    Challenge might not be that relevant uh
  • 00:48:08
    for most people the range test I feel
  • 00:48:10
    like is relevant uh noise test also you
  • 00:48:13
    know banana box test also it gives you a
  • 00:48:15
    a sense of how spacious the car is even
  • 00:48:18
    though yeah it is I use quite big boxes
  • 00:48:21
    which can be Advantage for some cars
  • 00:48:24
    like this car here the av9 is quite
  • 00:48:27
    boxy true um but with everything else
  • 00:48:30
    there will always be some measurement
  • 00:48:32
    error or yeah um but when it comes to
  • 00:48:36
    1,000 K Challenge yeah um it's probably
  • 00:48:39
    not relevant for most people but in a
  • 00:48:41
    way it's like a the ultimate stress test
  • 00:48:43
    just like when people do a leemon 24hour
  • 00:48:46
    i who how relevant is it right uh and in
  • 00:48:50
    another word uh in another sense uh even
  • 00:48:52
    when you when you uh uh talk about range
  • 00:48:57
    on fossil cars does it matter or top
  • 00:49:00
    speed on cars does it matter uh no uh
  • 00:49:03
    really no uh drug racing does it matter
  • 00:49:06
    no but at least the 1,000 K Challenge I
  • 00:49:09
    will probably still do it I will not
  • 00:49:11
    change it it's like the ultimate stress
  • 00:49:13
    test to uh to uncover any flaws that
  • 00:49:18
    some cars have
  • 00:49:21
    so but but again my test I want to make
  • 00:49:25
    relevant and useful uh and it should be
  • 00:49:29
    real world right so that's the whole
  • 00:49:32
    purpose I'm doing the test for for my
  • 00:49:35
    consumers but also actually for me
  • 00:49:38
    though I might also do the test for car
  • 00:49:40
    manufacturers because if there is a flaw
  • 00:49:42
    let's say rapid gate or some bug or some
  • 00:49:45
    B bad
  • 00:49:46
    feature uh car manufacturers can see
  • 00:49:50
    this and they can fix this if they care
  • 00:49:52
    about this it has already been the case
  • 00:49:54
    for many yeah
  • 00:49:56
    cars so
  • 00:49:58
    um so yeah um I think that's going to be
  • 00:50:03
    it I need to call back the dude and I
  • 00:50:05
    also need to hammer this uh Danish uh
  • 00:50:10
    Audi oh man so nice oh yeah ev9 man oh
  • 00:50:15
    it is so good and also this landscape
  • 00:50:18
    man I like be like don't stop don't stop
  • 00:50:21
    yeah okay okay okay keep going keep
  • 00:50:23
    going don't stop don't stop I mean it's
  • 00:50:25
    a beautiful landscape here maybe I
  • 00:50:26
    should try to find something else to
  • 00:50:28
    talk about but I was trying to remember
  • 00:50:31
    now I I read may I also recommend you
  • 00:50:33
    guys to to to also read about read about
  • 00:50:37
    this test and also about the comments
  • 00:50:39
    from El
  • 00:50:41
    24 and yeah
  • 00:50:45
    uh and other places maybe about this
  • 00:50:48
    test so but yeah okay whatever I think I
  • 00:50:51
    just have to end it here but even though
  • 00:50:54
    we we just hit the most beautiful places
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    now but yeah so um uh hopefully this uh
  • 00:51:00
    video was useful for you and um we'll
  • 00:51:03
    see how it goes I will read the comments
  • 00:51:06
    as usual and see what you guys have what
  • 00:51:07
    kind of input you have um and then we'll
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    just uh end it here so um I hope you
  • 00:51:13
    guys enjoy the video as always thank you
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    for watching and talk to you later
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