4K podcast about NAF's El Prix winter range test and why it's not accurate
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TLDRThe speaker critiques the N range test conducted by a Norwegian automotive organization, arguing that its methodology contains significant flaws that could misrepresent the performance of electric vehicles like the Kia EV9. They highlight the lack of preconditioning of vehicles, variability due to different drivers, and the impact of elevation changes on range results as critical issues. The speaker calls for improved testing protocols that ensure accurate representation of electric vehicle performance and emphasize consumer needs. Along the way, they discuss various factors affecting range such as weather conditions, battery health, and tire pressure, ultimately advocating for a more transparent and reliable testing methodology that benefits both consumers and manufacturers.
Punti di forza
- 🚗 The N range test evaluates electric vehicle performance.
- 🔍 Critique of testing methods reveals critical flaws.
- 🌡️ Preconditioning is essential for accurate range tests.
- 📉 Elevation changes can impact range disproportionately.
- 👥 Different drivers can introduce variability in results.
- 🌬️ Weather conditions affect vehicle consumption.
- 🚫 Testing to zero may mislead consumers about real range.
- ⚙️ Accurate methods yield trustworthy comparisons.
- 📊 Consumer education on EV testing is crucial.
- 🏅 Recommendations for improving testing protocols offered.
Linea temporale
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
The speaker introduces the Kia EV9 and discusses their upcoming range test, revealing that they are driving towards a location to test an electric truck from SCNAO. They emphasize the importance of discussing both summer and winter range tests by Nor (N), a prominent automotive organization in Norway, while also mentioning how comments from viewers have prompted them to speak out about these tests.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
The speaker explains the Nor range test's setup, emphasizing that it involves multiple vehicles driven by different drivers on a specified route, reflecting on the contrasts between this method and their personal driving tests. They mention that Nor conducts biannual tests, which have gained significant public attention relative to their own individual tests.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
The testing route begins in a garage in downtown Oslo and includes elements of city driving as well as longer stretches on the highway. The speaker notes that the elevation of the route can variably impact test results due to the altitude differences, which can favor certain vehicles during testing based on where they run out of charge.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
A main criticism is presented regarding the lack of preconditioning of the vehicles being tested, which involves both preheating the cabin and battery. The speaker highlights how this can significantly affect electric vehicles' performance in different weather conditions, particularly in winter, and shares their own experience engaging with Nor about these test protocols.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
The speaker critiques the driving conditions during the Nor test, expressing how the variety in drivers and external traffic conditions lead to significant variability in results. They highlight that real-world driving situations—such as slower drivers on the road—can skew outcome comparisons, making definitive conclusions about range challenging.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
The speaker elaborates on the test protocol, mentioning that they drive each vehicle until its battery is depleted and that varying cabin temperature settings can also affect simulation results. They argue that the focus should remain on realistic operational conditions that the average consumer would experience.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Critiques continue as the speaker emphasizes the downsides of testing to complete depletion, suggesting that most drivers would not push their vehicle that far, and this method does not reflect real-world usage patterns. They also discuss the importance of accurately measuring consumption based on various factors, including vehicle weight and speed.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
The speaker discusses their range test experience on battery performance over elevations and notes how various factors such as weight, temperature, and driving conditions can drastically alter perceived range outcomes during testing.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
They suggest Nor could improve their testing methods by correcting for elevation differences, standardizing cabin settings across brands, and reconsidering how they report vehicles' performance, ensuring a more transparent and consumer-friendly methodology.
- 00:45:00 - 00:51:18
Finally, the speaker reiterates their intention to provide insight for consumers about range tests to empower better decisions, acknowledging the essential role of accurate testing while expressing a desire for improvements to the existing range tests conducted by Nor. They end by inviting comments and feedback from viewers.
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Video Domande e Risposte
What is the N range test?
The N range test is a range evaluation for electric vehicles conducted by a Norwegian organization to compare their real-world performance.
Why is the speaker concerned about the N range test?
The speaker believes the N range test has significant flaws that may lead to inaccurate representations of vehicle performance.
What are some flaws in the N range test?
Flaws include not preconditioning vehicles, variable driving conditions, elevation changes affecting range, and incorrect handling of the car's state of charge.
What alternatives does the speaker suggest for the N range test?
The speaker suggests modifying the testing methodology to include preconditioning, correcting for elevation changes, and comparing similar cars in the same segment.
How does weather affect electric vehicle range tests?
Cold temperatures can decrease range, while wind conditions can also significantly influence energy consumption during tests.
What is the impact of battery preconditioning?
Preconditioning can optimize battery performance and improve range, which is often not accounted for in current tests.
Why don't manufacturers participate in the N range test?
Some manufacturers, like Toyota, have concerns about the validity and relevance of range tests, arguing that they emphasize range over other important factors.
What does the speaker’s own testing methodology include?
The speaker’s tests account for conditions like elevation changes and weather, ensuring a more accurate representation of vehicle range.
How does elevation affect electric vehicle efficiency?
Higher elevations can lead to increased energy consumption, which may disadvantage vehicles with lower range capabilities.
What is the importance of accurate range testing?
Accurate range testing helps consumers make informed decisions based on real performance data rather than potentially flawed testing results.
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- 00:00:01yo what's up today we're sitting in the
- 00:00:04Kia
- 00:00:05ev9 and in this video we're going to
- 00:00:08talk about the the N range
- 00:00:10test um yeah it's going to be another 4K
- 00:00:14podcast I haven't had it in a while I'm
- 00:00:17actually D now driving uh towards treil
- 00:00:20with this ev9 I'm going to test drive an
- 00:00:23electric truck from scna o but okay
- 00:00:26that'll be covered in another video so
- 00:00:28today I need to talk about the nor
- 00:00:32winter range test and the summer range
- 00:00:34test that they have and uh yeah uh the
- 00:00:38reason why I I have make this video is
- 00:00:42because uh there's been many people who
- 00:00:44asked me in my channel in in the
- 00:00:46comments uh like hey BJ uh yeah the
- 00:00:49highi set won the test and uh Tesla did
- 00:00:52it quite poorly uh what do you what kind
- 00:00:54of comments do you have about that or
- 00:00:56that you know and I mean the test has
- 00:00:58been out for money years now uh enough
- 00:01:01has been doing this uh but I haven't
- 00:01:04really bothered to comment about it
- 00:01:06until now I feel like I need to speak up
- 00:01:10about that test because there are things
- 00:01:12about that test that you should know
- 00:01:14about I think many people don't know or
- 00:01:16when I read the comments when I see how
- 00:01:18uh it has been posted on electric I get
- 00:01:21the impression that they they they have
- 00:01:23no clue about uh how the test has been
- 00:01:25done and what kind of obvious flaws it
- 00:01:28has so um um by the way n is uh a big uh
- 00:01:33organization in Norway about automobiles
- 00:01:35uh nor automobile F that's what is uh
- 00:01:38stands for it's similar to adac in
- 00:01:42Germany so yeah I don't know in us what
- 00:01:44they have there but uh so they they will
- 00:01:48do this uh test twice per year this
- 00:01:51range test big range test and
- 00:01:54um uh different from my test because I
- 00:01:57drive alone I drive just one car at a
- 00:01:59time time I drive the same stretch
- 00:02:01actually this stretch over here um uh
- 00:02:05but they they drive a bunch of cars
- 00:02:07together and that means they need to
- 00:02:08have a lot of different dri drivers so
- 00:02:11it's it's a big uh thing you know and
- 00:02:14has kind of it has gained more uh
- 00:02:17publicity over the years uh to the point
- 00:02:21where uh other I know websites or other
- 00:02:25EV groups or forums or whatever right
- 00:02:28car place
- 00:02:30they they start referring to this
- 00:02:32test
- 00:02:34um yeah so so let me then explain first
- 00:02:38how the test is performed so they start
- 00:02:41previously they started from vcon
- 00:02:44uh parking garage downtown Oslo uh but
- 00:02:48now they start from scoo uh wait was it
- 00:02:50sco scoo 3 yeah they call but okay it's
- 00:02:53a tube hman it's a little bit uh yeah
- 00:02:57it's Central in in the downtown actually
- 00:02:59pretty much on sea level uh near arbg if
- 00:03:03you guys know hu hman or that area there
- 00:03:07and then the route goes uh first
- 00:03:10straight into the Ring Road and then a
- 00:03:13little bit into the city Parts at Le on
- 00:03:16the western
- 00:03:17side and then uh up towards okay maybe
- 00:03:22you guys don't care too much about the
- 00:03:23detail but uh what I'm saying is that
- 00:03:25there is a bit of City Driving mixed in
- 00:03:28there but maybe just 10 10 km of City
- 00:03:31driving until they then hit the Ring
- 00:03:33Road head north actually similar route
- 00:03:37that I tend to take when I do the
- 00:03:38Thunder driving which is uh Highway 4
- 00:03:41via
- 00:03:43yic and then they end up in gbrown the
- 00:03:45godfire valley and they Drive North all
- 00:03:49the way to
- 00:03:50dbos and then they drive even further
- 00:03:53north up the
- 00:03:55mountains doel uh to Yin and then they
- 00:03:59turn East towards
- 00:04:02FAL and then once they reach FAL they
- 00:04:06will then take uh the route straight
- 00:04:09South uh VI are yeah that Valley and
- 00:04:12then end up at
- 00:04:15ringu but they take V big so what I'm
- 00:04:17saying is that um um the route goes to
- 00:04:21uh roughly 1,000 of a sea level at
- 00:04:24yashkin a fer is also 700 M with sea
- 00:04:27level 700 800 depending where you count
- 00:04:30so I know that route I have taken that
- 00:04:32route many times well maybe not that
- 00:04:34exact ring but I have driven around
- 00:04:36there many many times like it's like my
- 00:04:38home
- 00:04:39turf um so that's the route roughly and
- 00:04:43the the the procedure is that uh first
- 00:04:45of all they don't precondition the car
- 00:04:47they don't preheat the cabin they don't
- 00:04:49preheat the battery even if it has a
- 00:04:52feature like that for example if you
- 00:04:53preheat the Tesla it will actually
- 00:04:55preheat the battery also some other cars
- 00:04:56will also do that the Meb cars you know
- 00:04:58Volkswagen ID3
- 00:05:00id4 enyak uh even the Q4 rron not the
- 00:05:03fat rron I don't know about the fat rron
- 00:05:05probably not but uh which is an
- 00:05:08advantage for electric cars to pre
- 00:05:10preheat the cabin and preheat the
- 00:05:11battery it will give the car a better
- 00:05:14starting position especially in Winter
- 00:05:16and for some reason enough they don't do
- 00:05:18that I talked to Enough by the way I I
- 00:05:21was actually going to participate one
- 00:05:24year uh so I talked to them about this
- 00:05:28and pointed out the obious
- 00:05:30flaws but then covid happened and then
- 00:05:33the whole enough uh the big the big test
- 00:05:35was called off and then when they resume
- 00:05:39again after some long time um I was not
- 00:05:42invited but I didn't really care because
- 00:05:45I prefer doing my own thing uh the
- 00:05:46problem with this big test is that they
- 00:05:48need to nail down a date for the for it
- 00:05:51long time in advance because so many
- 00:05:53people are involved whereas when I do my
- 00:05:55test I'm more Nimble I'm more lean well
- 00:05:59except for I mean not physically but at
- 00:06:02least uh mentally
- 00:06:05lean but I can I can uh uh do my test
- 00:06:09when there is no freaking snowstorm
- 00:06:11outside or something like that you know
- 00:06:13I try to avoid traffic in
- 00:06:15general I'll come back to that why but
- 00:06:18uh but at least uh yeah it's no big deal
- 00:06:22I don't feel uh uh I don't feel uh Angry
- 00:06:27or something for not being invited
- 00:06:29because I actually prefer doing my own
- 00:06:30thing I'm like Chuck Norris you know so
- 00:06:33uh I'm the Lone
- 00:06:34Wolf uh but um yeah
- 00:06:37so so back to the procedure then yeah so
- 00:06:40they don't preheat they start driving uh
- 00:06:42with different drivers some I think some
- 00:06:44cars even have uh several people in
- 00:06:46there but it doesn't matter weight
- 00:06:48doesn't really matter that much unless
- 00:06:50you end up in the mountain of course I
- 00:06:52also come back to that but uh but still
- 00:06:55um just the fact that they have
- 00:06:57different drivers and that they have to
- 00:06:59drive on on B roads those most of the
- 00:07:02the route I describe now is mainly on B
- 00:07:05roads which means that you you have uh
- 00:07:08uh variable speed and you cannot
- 00:07:11maintain the same speed for every driver
- 00:07:13at most situations because because of
- 00:07:16traffic and they also do this in the
- 00:07:17daytime uh in a regular I don't know
- 00:07:20weekday or I'm not sure when but at
- 00:07:22least there's traffic they have to deal
- 00:07:25with and I remember when I did the
- 00:07:27briefing uh that uh the they said well
- 00:07:30or
- 00:07:31uh just D follow the speed limit that's
- 00:07:34one of the kind of rules they set but of
- 00:07:36course if there is a really slow driver
- 00:07:38then you have to overtake so you can
- 00:07:42already see that there is already a lot
- 00:07:44of room for slack and variation here uh
- 00:07:48and uh variables out of your control
- 00:07:52yeah like here for
- 00:07:53examp this guy's driving so slow pause
- 00:07:58what I know you have BMV but uh how
- 00:08:02about hammering it I mean these forer
- 00:08:04drivers they always brag that they have
- 00:08:05so good range and they can just refill
- 00:08:08in 5 minutes but why do you drive so
- 00:08:10slow then are you trying to save uh
- 00:08:13dinosaur
- 00:08:15juice yeah because dinosaur juice is
- 00:08:17getting expensive okay time
- 00:08:20right
- 00:08:22bye-bye wow huh I saw the guys when I
- 00:08:26just passed them and they they were
- 00:08:27sitting in this uh
- 00:08:29this warm hat there warm beanie that you
- 00:08:33have also on the side you know like like
- 00:08:35shop uh like the the type of hat you
- 00:08:40will wear when you're going on an
- 00:08:41expedition to the North Pole
- 00:08:44what either they don't have leftover
- 00:08:46heat in there or the car is quite cold
- 00:08:49okay anyway back to
- 00:08:51the sorry this is a remember that this
- 00:08:54is a 4K podcast it's a rambling it's a
- 00:08:57rant so uh don't take everything 100%
- 00:08:59seriously and also don't expect
- 00:09:01everything to be nailed down like MKBHD
- 00:09:04where he just Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam this
- 00:09:05phone is good this phone is bad yeah
- 00:09:08okay but
- 00:09:09um yeah back to the procedure so the
- 00:09:13fact that they have different drivers
- 00:09:14could open up for uh slack in uh how
- 00:09:18it's been performed uh and I'm not sure
- 00:09:20how strict they can be or I even heard
- 00:09:23that some people they take the the wrong
- 00:09:25they they take the wrong turn you know
- 00:09:27they pull a a James May uh and so on but
- 00:09:31uh yeah maybe it doesn't matter too much
- 00:09:32as long as you follow the the rules of
- 00:09:34the race right or the yeah they call it
- 00:09:37they call it l Grand Prix uh even though
- 00:09:40it's not really a race it's a range test
- 00:09:42but okay
- 00:09:43anyway
- 00:09:45um and um uh they drived and and they're
- 00:09:50supposed to run out juice at one point
- 00:09:53but also another thing I need to point
- 00:09:54out is that um uh when it comes to cabin
- 00:09:57temperature I think they set the cabin
- 00:09:59temperature to 21° C but do they take in
- 00:10:02account Chinese cars you know there are
- 00:10:04more and more Chinese cars nowadays and
- 00:10:06do they know that a Chinese car if you
- 00:10:08put it at 21° C it will actually be
- 00:10:11quite cold especially during winter you
- 00:10:13have to have it on
- 00:10:1525 on the Chinese cars most Chinese cars
- 00:10:19um I I this is not just an empty claim I
- 00:10:22have tested this and documented it in
- 00:10:24the video Even and also you know when I
- 00:10:28talk to xbank even xbank told me that uh
- 00:10:32they have tuned the car the H car's HB
- 00:10:34system differently because Chinese
- 00:10:36people when they set to 21° C in Chinese
- 00:10:39summer I guess they expect it to be nice
- 00:10:42and cool they don't want it to be warm
- 00:10:45so what happens during winter in China
- 00:10:48well maybe they don't have cold weather
- 00:10:50in China I don't know man but um so
- 00:10:54again I don't know how the high-fi set
- 00:10:56was tested recently did they put 21° C
- 00:11:00or 25° C in the cabin and then also I
- 00:11:03wonder who tested the I set but okay
- 00:11:05whatever it doesn't matter um but here
- 00:11:08is the essence the main problem the main
- 00:11:10weakness of the test which is that they
- 00:11:14drive until the car
- 00:11:16stops
- 00:11:18um and then the then they count how many
- 00:11:21kilometers uh each car has driven and
- 00:11:26like I mentioned initially you go to
- 00:11:291,000 M with sea level they start at sea
- 00:11:32level uh so which means that if the car
- 00:11:35is unlucky they will end up up in the
- 00:11:38mountain with no juice right whereas
- 00:11:41other cars with better range or shorter
- 00:11:43range they end up in the
- 00:11:45lowland and how how much uh of impact
- 00:11:49does this elevation change have well I
- 00:11:51know um a th000 m elevation change
- 00:11:55depending on the weight of the car is
- 00:11:57I'm not going to bother you guys with
- 00:11:58all the math but it will uh it will
- 00:12:00equal to
- 00:12:02roughly uh 5 to 7 kilow hour but then
- 00:12:06normally they don't end up at sea level
- 00:12:08anymore they end up around M area uh
- 00:12:12which is roughly at 200 M of sea level
- 00:12:15uh so so you can say uh roughly four or
- 00:12:195 kilow hour then right um but at least
- 00:12:25the difference is that if you end up at
- 00:12:27800 M over sea level versus 200 yeah
- 00:12:29that's that's that's the you know four
- 00:12:31five kilowatt hour I'm talking about and
- 00:12:33then based on the battery size it can
- 00:12:35mean let's say uh a five maybe not 10%
- 00:12:40but let's say 5 to
- 00:12:427% uh disadvantage for some cars and
- 00:12:46also um the the highest point is roughly
- 00:12:50400 km away from Oso so after if the car
- 00:12:54has around 400 km range it would end up
- 00:12:58up there in the highlands rather than a
- 00:13:01couple of yeah well but then you need to
- 00:13:04have at least 100 150 more kilm range so
- 00:13:07yeah I think roughly if you have around
- 00:13:09500 something km range then you you can
- 00:13:13run down the hill and regen a
- 00:13:16lot uh so this is the reason why many
- 00:13:20Teslas they have been performing so well
- 00:13:22in the summer test because they can
- 00:13:24clear the mountains get past FLL and
- 00:13:27then get down in theow land but then uh
- 00:13:31if the conditions are right and it just
- 00:13:33happen to be cold and the cars cannot go
- 00:13:35that far then they might end up in a
- 00:13:38mountain uh yeah but when I talk to um
- 00:13:44enough about this I pointed out this uh
- 00:13:47flaw and they acknowledg that uh they
- 00:13:50understand the flaw and I said it's
- 00:13:53quite easy to correct for this uh if you
- 00:13:55know the end the end point or where
- 00:13:58where the car ends up you can uh find
- 00:14:01out afterwards even the elevation there
- 00:14:03and you know the the actual weight of
- 00:14:05the car you have to also check the
- 00:14:06actual weight not the claim weight and
- 00:14:08there here's where the this the extra 75
- 00:14:11Kg core driver might actually also
- 00:14:15affect the the
- 00:14:17result um but you can correct for this
- 00:14:20in the result but they
- 00:14:22don't uh which is the biggest flaw with
- 00:14:24a test another fairly big flaw is that
- 00:14:28they test until the car runs out of
- 00:14:30juice I also do that but uh they count
- 00:14:34that range also in the final range which
- 00:14:37I disagree with because most normal
- 00:14:39people They don't drive the car to zero
- 00:14:42they might drive it down to I mean sorry
- 00:14:44they don't drive it until the car stops
- 00:14:46they might drive it to zero something
- 00:14:50right uh but most people they don't
- 00:14:53count on getting let's say 20 30 kilm
- 00:14:56past zero which which means that
- 00:14:59whatever range each car gets past zero
- 00:15:02is more or less irrelevant and another
- 00:15:05problem is that um uh that that buffer
- 00:15:09that some cars have below zero it
- 00:15:12changes it can change over the year it
- 00:15:14might not change but I've seen examples
- 00:15:18uh that it changes especially in Tesla
- 00:15:20so uh for example if a Tesla is
- 00:15:23relatively new it might have 20 kW hour
- 00:15:26sorry 20 km of buffer or actually not
- 00:15:29kilometer these buffers they are
- 00:15:30measured in kilowatt hour usually not in
- 00:15:34kilometers but you might have somewhere
- 00:15:36between uh 3 and 4 KW hour
- 00:15:39buffer but as the battery ages and also
- 00:15:43if the battery get slightly out of uh
- 00:15:46calibration uh not balancing unbalanced
- 00:15:51uh battery and uncalibrated battery
- 00:15:53those are two different things but if
- 00:15:55the battery is slightly uncalibrated it
- 00:15:57doesn't know the the top and like the
- 00:15:59Max and the Min anymore and then
- 00:16:01suddenly when they think it is at Rock
- 00:16:03Bottom it is not there or or the other
- 00:16:05way around I mean um so I experien this
- 00:16:08many times that you know uh I used to be
- 00:16:11able to drive 20 km past zero% on the
- 00:16:15Tesla but then suddenly in another
- 00:16:17situation the Tesla stopped at 0% or 0
- 00:16:21kilm or or just a couple of kilometers
- 00:16:24past zero so this is why you should not
- 00:16:27count you should not play Russian
- 00:16:28rouette and end up in a place you don't
- 00:16:30want to end up let's say in a tunnel or
- 00:16:32let's say even over here it's a bit
- 00:16:34inconvenient because uh there is no uh
- 00:16:37no emergency stop pocket uh
- 00:16:42right so so they should okay enough
- 00:16:47should count how much try to yeah just
- 00:16:50test how much it goes below 0% but don't
- 00:16:53count it in the final result that's what
- 00:16:56I
- 00:16:56claim and what else else um you know
- 00:16:59when I do my range test I always check
- 00:17:01in GPS what the actual speed is uh for
- 00:17:05example this Kia here I have to drive at
- 00:17:0794 km per hour on the speedle to match
- 00:17:0990 GPS speed I don't know if uh enough
- 00:17:13uh corrects for that or not uh because
- 00:17:16they were probably just instructed to go
- 00:17:18by the speed limit so they just go yeah
- 00:17:20so then most cars they go under the
- 00:17:21speed limit but then but then there's no
- 00:17:24problem right well the problem is that
- 00:17:26some cars like Tesla they have quite
- 00:17:28accurate spedometer but yeah not only
- 00:17:30Tesla but this even depends on the tire
- 00:17:33pressure because the cars have been
- 00:17:34pre-programmed to show a certain speed
- 00:17:37right but then as you change a tire
- 00:17:39pressure you will actually change the
- 00:17:41error
- 00:17:43um so uh for example Tesla normally I
- 00:17:47have to cruise at 91 km/ hour whereas
- 00:17:51some other cars I have the cruise at
- 00:17:53almost 95 96 yeah and that actually
- 00:17:57becomes uh significant that you can
- 00:17:59drive slow especially if you have a big
- 00:18:01boxy car and you can actually drive
- 00:18:03slower than the other
- 00:18:04cars so um and another thing is uh
- 00:18:08distance error uh if I don't know how
- 00:18:11the test has been performed because I
- 00:18:12never had participated and I never uh
- 00:18:15ask in detail but from what I remember
- 00:18:17maybe they use GPS for that part but why
- 00:18:19the heck is this truck driving so
- 00:18:21slow um what the heck no but okay so uh
- 00:18:25another problem yeah is distance error
- 00:18:27if they look at the trip meter trip
- 00:18:30meter I found out to also have error it
- 00:18:33it is not the corresponding error with
- 00:18:34the speed but some people think but um
- 00:18:38when it comes to the speed error this
- 00:18:40has has actually been pre-programmed by
- 00:18:42the car manufacturer on purpose in case
- 00:18:44you have incorrect tire pressure they
- 00:18:46don't want you to go over the speed
- 00:18:47limit on accident however I think that's
- 00:18:50a bit weird
- 00:18:52because all the systems speed cameras or
- 00:18:55poit ey when they want to catch you
- 00:18:57speeding they will over always deduct 1
- 00:18:59to 2 km per hour
- 00:19:01anyway and also most systems they even
- 00:19:04have some slack so you you have to go
- 00:19:07more than just a couple of kilm per hour
- 00:19:09over the speed limit unless you're in
- 00:19:10Thailand yeah then they add kilm per
- 00:19:13hour I don't know just get depression
- 00:19:15that's how they do it over there but um
- 00:19:19so so the the distance error is also
- 00:19:22significant because I have measured over
- 00:19:24and over again especially when they do
- 00:19:251,000 K Challenge uh you guys see that I
- 00:19:27don't count to 1,000 many times I I
- 00:19:30count to I think the the highest error I
- 00:19:32had was 2.7% in the ipas ipas was
- 00:19:35actually Under reporting so in the ipas
- 00:19:37I count to uh
- 00:19:409 uh uh
- 00:19:4270 uh 3 km I think it was right which is
- 00:19:46actually real 1,000 and this is again
- 00:19:49not just an empty claim because when I
- 00:19:51do my 1,000 K challenges I end I I tend
- 00:19:54to also end up on the same uh Chargers
- 00:19:57which means that I Drive the same
- 00:19:58distance for every car and then I when I
- 00:20:01when I do the countown I end up at the
- 00:20:03same spot every time you know if if my
- 00:20:09my measur measurements were not correct
- 00:20:10I would end up at different spots and
- 00:20:13then there's something wrong right then
- 00:20:14we have
- 00:20:16ug owls in the Moss yeah so um so then
- 00:20:21then I don't know how they measure the
- 00:20:22distance
- 00:20:23correctly uh I can admit that I have
- 00:20:26made some errors in the past when I did
- 00:20:28the when I did the 24-hour uh world
- 00:20:31record with the model 3 and also the
- 00:20:33hypermiling with various cars Tesla and
- 00:20:36Kaa I look at the cars
- 00:20:39display uh yeah not uh GPS uh distance
- 00:20:45corrected
- 00:20:46whatever so you see if you want to
- 00:20:48measure everything correctly and
- 00:20:50especially if you you're going to
- 00:20:51compare against a bunch of other cars
- 00:20:53you have to be ABC you have to be as
- 00:20:56correct as possible and this test
- 00:20:58unfortunately is
- 00:21:00not and uh uh what other problems is out
- 00:21:04there um yeah that that's mainly the the
- 00:21:08the flaws with the test
- 00:21:11um so so why I why did I make this video
- 00:21:17well
- 00:21:19because I feel like I need to educate
- 00:21:21people and I'm not making this video to
- 00:21:24make my test myself look better and not
- 00:21:27look worse
- 00:21:28actually I praise enough for making this
- 00:21:30test I I I also have big respect for
- 00:21:33them because they organizing something
- 00:21:35big like this takes a lot of effort I
- 00:21:37have done some races with just two
- 00:21:40people right or three people uh but
- 00:21:42mostly two people I have to collect some
- 00:21:44press cars and return them and organize
- 00:21:46and if we go far we have some sleepover
- 00:21:48went we went to the Arctic Circle to pay
- 00:21:51for the hotel we have to nail the date
- 00:21:53and and there's so much stuff and you
- 00:21:55can imagine the tenfold of this uh when
- 00:21:57you have over 20 cars
- 00:21:59participating uh how much work it is
- 00:22:02behind it uh but I feel like uh it is
- 00:22:06important to have real world test
- 00:22:08because uh you don't always achieve that
- 00:22:10some car manufacturers like we've seen
- 00:22:12in the past ipace like Toyota B Set uh
- 00:22:16people cannot achieve the claimed vtp
- 00:22:19range oh yeah another thing I need to
- 00:22:21point out is that um KN they they focus
- 00:22:26a lot on comparing their own test which
- 00:22:29is flawed versus vtp Range and vtp is
- 00:22:32different it is a test cycle that they
- 00:22:35have uh worked out that is based on uh
- 00:22:3918° C ambient
- 00:22:41temperature and uh agback off so it
- 00:22:47almost doesn't make any sense to compare
- 00:22:49that so-called summer result against a
- 00:22:52winter cell or they should at least
- 00:22:53emphasize that you know okay uh the cars
- 00:22:56they have a big deviation but remember
- 00:22:59that this is winter result it was quite
- 00:23:01cold outside um there's no too much
- 00:23:04detail about the the cars they
- 00:23:08tested how how cold was it outside what
- 00:23:10kind of tires rims did we have you know
- 00:23:13stuff that actually affects the
- 00:23:15consumption the result so
- 00:23:18um yeah uh sorry I just have to focus
- 00:23:22now on getting past this left lane Huger
- 00:23:24but I also have to focus on uh on the
- 00:23:26light conditions
- 00:23:30yeah okay but
- 00:23:31anyway uh what else is it um man there's
- 00:23:35so much stuff I need to talk about uh I
- 00:23:38I can talk about Toyota by the way
- 00:23:39Toyota purposely um refused to uh join
- 00:23:45this event or they didn't they didn't
- 00:23:47provide a
- 00:23:48car um and then I did some digging and
- 00:23:52WR read some uh articles and it turns
- 00:23:54out that Toyota they
- 00:23:56um
- 00:23:58well okay well let me just tell the
- 00:23:59story right so you get one part of the
- 00:24:02story and I I'll explain so so what
- 00:24:04happened was that so then enough they
- 00:24:07went ahead and they rented a car instead
- 00:24:10a Toyota B set because they considered
- 00:24:12that uh the betet is quite important uh
- 00:24:15lots of customers have been asking them
- 00:24:16about the betet you know are you going
- 00:24:18to test the betet and they be like yeah
- 00:24:20of course but then somehow they ended up
- 00:24:22with a rental car that had 33,000 km on
- 00:24:25the odometer and they did the test and
- 00:24:29Toyota didn't go that far uh 300 and
- 00:24:31something kilm
- 00:24:33uh but as expected I don't know 300 km I
- 00:24:37think yeah that sounds like they went
- 00:24:38semi up the hill maybe yeah some they
- 00:24:41gained some elevation before they ran
- 00:24:43out they didn't run out in the
- 00:24:44lowlands which is a disadvantage for the
- 00:24:48Toyota um but then afterwards Toyota
- 00:24:51they were not happy and they had some
- 00:24:54press release about uh this that um uh
- 00:24:58uh yeah know they should have n should
- 00:25:00have used the the B set 4X the newest
- 00:25:03one which has some improvements some
- 00:25:06upgrades yeah uh and that they did they
- 00:25:09they didn't were not happy that enough
- 00:25:11used a secondhand uh car with so high
- 00:25:14mileage and I was thinking well excuse
- 00:25:17more uh Toyota they have 1 million kilm
- 00:25:20of uh battery warranty right so and then
- 00:25:22the car also gives you punishment points
- 00:25:25if you try to fast charge too much so
- 00:25:27they should be quite confident that a
- 00:25:30car with 33k on the elabor should not
- 00:25:32have much much uh degradation at all
- 00:25:36right maybe if there is any maybe 1
- 00:25:38kilowatt hour which shouldn't affect the
- 00:25:40consump the result too much but then
- 00:25:43what about the the the improvements on
- 00:25:45the latest and greatest uh uh B set 4X
- 00:25:48then well I don't know what's up with
- 00:25:50that but at least that's how the story
- 00:25:53was roughly and I was like lol uh they
- 00:25:57should have just provided with the new
- 00:25:59the latest and greatest betet 4X but
- 00:26:01here's the thing that Toyota they they
- 00:26:04are kind of against this test because um
- 00:26:08they claim that range test has been
- 00:26:11tested uh it is like it is pointless
- 00:26:15kind of you know in my words my own
- 00:26:16words is that they claim that it is
- 00:26:18pointless uh because uh range is not the
- 00:26:22only thing that people
- 00:26:24consider and uh there are other aspect
- 00:26:27of the car and also they claim that you
- 00:26:29need to usually take a rest anyway after
- 00:26:32several hours of driving and then you
- 00:26:33might as well plug in charge which I
- 00:26:35agree with yeah today's cars they have
- 00:26:38so good range that normally you know
- 00:26:40especially when I do 1,000 K Challenge I
- 00:26:42kind of need to stretch it but for the
- 00:26:441,000 K Challenge there's a different
- 00:26:46scenario you are able to go fast uh like
- 00:26:49over here and then you drain the battery
- 00:26:50faster so the time you spend until you
- 00:26:52need to charge might be just uh let's
- 00:26:55say 2 hours some people want want to go
- 00:26:57go further than 2 hours especially
- 00:26:59during winter but at least if you drive
- 00:27:01on B roads then you can actually go
- 00:27:03maybe 5 6 hours before you need to
- 00:27:05charge so so I do agree at some extent
- 00:27:09with Toyota but the problem is that even
- 00:27:13today people do consider range as one
- 00:27:16criteria when they consider the car so
- 00:27:18doing a real well test of the range
- 00:27:22still matters so yeah um but you see
- 00:27:28why am I making this test why sorry why
- 00:27:30am I making this video because I
- 00:27:31actually want to help the car
- 00:27:34manufacturers because I feel the
- 00:27:36frustration with the car manufacturers
- 00:27:37because they are thrown into this and
- 00:27:40man it's not only Toyota by the way um
- 00:27:43BMV I talked to Modio from BMV about
- 00:27:46this uh they provided with another car
- 00:27:49another I5 when they did the
- 00:27:52test uh they were kind of just following
- 00:27:54shadowing the other car uh but they also
- 00:27:57came out openly that they are not doing
- 00:27:59this to control to verify the test they
- 00:28:02actually wanted to learn more about it
- 00:28:04and also gather their own
- 00:28:06data so that's that's you know BMV and I
- 00:28:11also heard that other brands uh they
- 00:28:13also had some people from the
- 00:28:15manufacturer uh to observe or join them
- 00:28:18since this is just test on an open road
- 00:28:21Public Road anyone can actually join
- 00:28:23them right as long as they don't disturb
- 00:28:25the test
- 00:28:26cars
- 00:28:28uh but I also talked to some other uh
- 00:28:30people in the car
- 00:28:32industry and many of them they agree
- 00:28:34that this test is
- 00:28:37flawed uh there some of them also like
- 00:28:39Fred uh M shc from El 24 he also had a
- 00:28:43an article when he pretty much said the
- 00:28:46same thing I said about this
- 00:28:49test B foring which is the the Norwegian
- 00:28:52EV Association they also disagree with
- 00:28:55this test they think the same thing pry
- 00:28:57much much uh the test setup is uh uh has
- 00:29:00errors that has not been corrected for
- 00:29:03and it gives wrong impression of uh each
- 00:29:05car or it makes it unfair uh for each
- 00:29:07car I'm by the way I'm not making this
- 00:29:09video to defend Tesla it's like I said
- 00:29:12you know cars that has roughly 400 km
- 00:29:14range they get a a very big
- 00:29:17disadvantage so oh now we get pretty bad
- 00:29:21light conditions um we'll see how it
- 00:29:23goes but
- 00:29:25um yeah so so in a way um silently the
- 00:29:30car manufacturers they are just
- 00:29:32suffering and they be like ah [ __ ] you
- 00:29:34know not much to
- 00:29:35do and also other car uh Enthusiast or
- 00:29:40uh you know they also kind of face pal
- 00:29:43silently but uh um for some reason yeah
- 00:29:47uh enough they don't correct for this
- 00:29:49and they keep doing these
- 00:29:50tests and uh uh clueless uh
- 00:29:55consumers they uh just uh yeah they see
- 00:30:00the test and they they just read the
- 00:30:03conclusions right which is that highi
- 00:30:05set won the test it had the longest
- 00:30:08range but yeah I forgot to mention one
- 00:30:10other thing uh another flaw with the
- 00:30:12test uh is that they only Test new cars
- 00:30:18uh coming out uh this year 2024 or late
- 00:30:212023 and they only compare them against
- 00:30:25each other which means that the high-i
- 00:30:26set
- 00:30:27which has 120 KW hour battery cost over
- 00:30:31€100,000 was never compared against a
- 00:30:34Model S long range Palladium for example
- 00:30:37or an eqs or an eqe at least you know
- 00:30:42something with 100 12 120 KW
- 00:30:47battery uh wait
- 00:30:51sh okay brain working hard calculating
- 00:30:55projection um so so that yeah and also
- 00:31:00for for the case of Tesla yeah um I also
- 00:31:04noticed that uh the Highland for some
- 00:31:06reason had somewhat High consumption
- 00:31:08compared to some other cars which also
- 00:31:10doesn't make any sense because I have
- 00:31:11tested over and over again and found out
- 00:31:13that Highland is super efficient
- 00:31:15especially during winter and even if you
- 00:31:17didn't preheat the battery and cabin um
- 00:31:20eventually things will flatten out it
- 00:31:22will even out and uh the more efficient
- 00:31:24car in the long run should still be able
- 00:31:26to uh to do it well but um based on the
- 00:31:31test setup I suspect that maybe the
- 00:31:34Highland run out in the highlands yeah
- 00:31:37and that's why it uh did it poorly and
- 00:31:40also uh yeah in terms of uh consumption
- 00:31:42numbers by the way if you run out of
- 00:31:45juice uh in the Highland um it could
- 00:31:48actually be as much as 10 to 20 wat hour
- 00:31:51per kilm
- 00:31:52difference in consumption or or kilowatt
- 00:31:56hour per 100 kilm yeah and also when you
- 00:32:00also count in other factors uh like I
- 00:32:03mentioned the spedometer error the
- 00:32:05whatever right
- 00:32:06yeah but um one thing I should also
- 00:32:09point out is that Tesla tends to
- 00:32:11overport the distance so when you see
- 00:32:13that oh you have driven uh 1,000 km in
- 00:32:16Tesla it is not 1,000 it is maybe 990
- 00:32:21985
- 00:32:23km that means that uh in a way the the
- 00:32:26the consumption number there is like
- 00:32:28it's l it's lower I mean sorry it's it's
- 00:32:31the real the reality is that consumption
- 00:32:32is higher but Tesla is not unique there
- 00:32:34are all money other cars who also
- 00:32:35overport like that but I also need to
- 00:32:38point on one other thing some people
- 00:32:39claim that Tesla uh consumption is
- 00:32:42incorrect because they don't count
- 00:32:44everything everything that some people
- 00:32:46even claim that the heater is not
- 00:32:47counted that is [ __ ] I don't know
- 00:32:49where they get it from I've tested it
- 00:32:51over and over again Tesla counts
- 00:32:53everything however Tesla does not count
- 00:32:54when you're stationary and that's also
- 00:32:57not unique with Tesla even this uh ev9
- 00:33:00doesn't count when you're stationary but
- 00:33:01then for some reason the German cars if
- 00:33:04as long as you uh the car is on and you
- 00:33:06are in park even it counts which I
- 00:33:09disagree with because uh that is not the
- 00:33:11part of the test well I mean that is not
- 00:33:14part of the the trip the trip stops when
- 00:33:16you put the car in park even when you're
- 00:33:18in a stop light uh you don't have to be
- 00:33:21in park you can just be in drive and
- 00:33:22with auto hole and [ __ ] like that well
- 00:33:25okay anyway uh back to the enough uh
- 00:33:28thing again so um uh
- 00:33:31yeah um you see I'm I'm not the only one
- 00:33:35here who uh who claims that the test is
- 00:33:38flawed like I mentioned they are big
- 00:33:41actor big big uh uh like groups or
- 00:33:45whatever I should call them uh out there
- 00:33:46who also uh claims the same uh and since
- 00:33:51I have a big Channel and people start
- 00:33:52bugging me about this I feel like just
- 00:33:54like when you guys bug me about the sun
- 00:33:55you know I feel like I need to speak up
- 00:33:57a bit uh and maybe uh uh convince enough
- 00:34:01that they need to test change this test
- 00:34:03because they're now sitting on the data
- 00:34:05set uh of previous results and um which
- 00:34:09is flawed uh but they can actually even
- 00:34:11correct this afterwards if they find out
- 00:34:14at least the biggest flaw you know
- 00:34:15elevation change they can correct for
- 00:34:17this but they should also in the future
- 00:34:19uh have more accurate
- 00:34:22test yeah with all the factors because
- 00:34:25you know when I do my range test
- 00:34:27I take in account everything I mentioned
- 00:34:30here uh but I also uh show you if the
- 00:34:33road is wet if it's windy even I don't
- 00:34:35lie about that
- 00:34:38um and what else uh and yeah and but my
- 00:34:42test goes from A to B to a I have the
- 00:34:44ABA testing yeah uh they have the ABC
- 00:34:48testing no but um so I I start and end
- 00:34:53at the same point which then uh corrects
- 00:34:56for elevation change or there's no
- 00:34:59elevation uh CH Advantage at least but
- 00:35:02when it comes to win wind will actually
- 00:35:04also affect the consumption I forgot to
- 00:35:06mention that um if you are uh unlucky
- 00:35:10and you have lots of headwind right in
- 00:35:13the
- 00:35:13beginning uh that that that becomes a
- 00:35:17disadvantage for you but then some cars
- 00:35:19who are lucky to clear that and they can
- 00:35:20turn around they then get the Tailwind
- 00:35:23but also win is kind of tricky because
- 00:35:25it doesn't have the same direction all
- 00:35:26over over the place so some places you
- 00:35:29can have tail win one
- 00:35:31place uh and then you get you turn
- 00:35:33around and you get Tailwind again on
- 00:35:36another Valley or some [ __ ] like or or
- 00:35:38later in the day yeah the wind also
- 00:35:40changes like that so I I have over 10
- 00:35:44years of experience with testing cars
- 00:35:47and also when I started doing range test
- 00:35:49that was roughly maybe
- 00:35:50eight eight 7even eight years
- 00:35:53ago I have so much experience with how
- 00:35:56stuff affects it and even when it comes
- 00:35:58to wind even when you start and end at
- 00:36:01the same point if you have strong wind
- 00:36:04that that affects it
- 00:36:06negatively uh because of the fix but
- 00:36:09yeah something
- 00:36:10about when you have headwind versus
- 00:36:14Tailwind uh the difference in
- 00:36:16consumption when you go against the wind
- 00:36:18is less if you go back or some [ __ ] like
- 00:36:20that I don't remember exactly how it was
- 00:36:22uh but also even if you have Crosswinds
- 00:36:25so that you don't get headwind
- 00:36:26crosswinds also makes the consumption go
- 00:36:28up in most cases but then Nissan they
- 00:36:31claim that they have designed the Nissan
- 00:36:33Leaf the 40 Kow leaf and so on to be
- 00:36:36able to utilize the crosswind I'm like
- 00:36:38huh really is it sailing on it like o
- 00:36:41okay that's simply
- 00:36:43amazing yeah but um uh so you see that
- 00:36:48I'm just dipping into the surface here
- 00:36:49but uh um there are so many factors that
- 00:36:53uh affects the consumption oh another
- 00:36:54thing by the way tire pressure yeah
- 00:36:57and also rims uh and also by the way uh
- 00:37:00Toyota they were not happy because the
- 00:37:02that test car they had had not original
- 00:37:04rims uh but from what what I saw in the
- 00:37:07picture it seems to not have any crazy
- 00:37:10low profile tires at least so at least
- 00:37:12if the tires are fairly normal size and
- 00:37:15also maybe normal brand right like nukan
- 00:37:19or some more of the common ones Nan or
- 00:37:22Continental pelli then no problem right
- 00:37:27so uh yeah and also well when it comes
- 00:37:29to the test with with the Toyota uh
- 00:37:33since since they're driving so muchat
- 00:37:35slow uh we are talking about 60 km per
- 00:37:38hour average speed here uh the the the
- 00:37:42shape of the rim does not matter too
- 00:37:44much the tire can matter because the
- 00:37:47tire rolling resistance of the tire is
- 00:37:49more or less constant uh it can change
- 00:37:51maybe based on temperatur and stuff uh
- 00:37:54or Surface but as long as you have
- 00:37:57common Tire brand then shouldn't be a
- 00:38:01problem so so if I would investigate
- 00:38:04more into the Toyota case I could find
- 00:38:06out lots of stuff you know but I I don't
- 00:38:09have time to do that I just read the
- 00:38:11some some stuff and make my conclusion
- 00:38:15based on it which should still be quite
- 00:38:17accurate
- 00:38:19anyway um yeah so so
- 00:38:24um uh what else was going to
- 00:38:28say it is uh yeah okay so for for this
- 00:38:33video to be somewhat useful for for
- 00:38:35enough I should come with come up with
- 00:38:37some recommendation what they should do
- 00:38:39to change this so one thing they should
- 00:38:41do is to correct for the elevation
- 00:38:43change either by finding out the
- 00:38:45elevation where the car stopped um they
- 00:38:49should also not count below zero or at
- 00:38:51least they can they can document it but
- 00:38:52not put it in the final uh table they
- 00:38:55should compare against other comparable
- 00:38:57cars in the same price range the same
- 00:38:59segment you know like high-fi set you
- 00:39:02have to compare it against an eqs and a
- 00:39:04Model S which has a similar shape and
- 00:39:06similar price you know uh similar
- 00:39:09battery
- 00:39:10size
- 00:39:12um and what else you should also uh what
- 00:39:16the heck is going on there there's a
- 00:39:17dude walking by
- 00:39:21okay um wait I have to pay I have to
- 00:39:24focus in case there's some yeah okay
- 00:39:26okay
- 00:39:30okay I don't know what's going on
- 00:39:33there oh yeah my recommendation either
- 00:39:37they do that they apply correction
- 00:39:40or uh maybe even better in my opinion is
- 00:39:45that they should um start and end okay
- 00:39:50the end point shouldn't be in the
- 00:39:51Highland um but I can see that it could
- 00:39:54be Troublesome or a little bit
- 00:39:56challenging in to uh to maybe end up at
- 00:39:59uh at uh sea level or around around uh
- 00:40:05Oslo yeah especially Depending on time
- 00:40:08of the day and [ __ ] like that right uh
- 00:40:12but at least if you can try to end up
- 00:40:14somewhere outside of Osa that would be
- 00:40:16great yeah because then you will have
- 00:40:20less uh I mean the the the the elevation
- 00:40:23change will be less and it will be
- 00:40:27um it would be the same for every car if
- 00:40:30each car actually ends up at the same
- 00:40:32end point so what they can do is that
- 00:40:34they can do the yic route or whatever
- 00:40:36right but then once you hit around 55 to
- 00:40:4060% you should turn back but it depends
- 00:40:43if they're not driving the same distance
- 00:40:45back again let's say at least
- 00:40:4760% uh I mean why do I say this because
- 00:40:50uh each car they have different way of
- 00:40:53displaying percent actually the Korean
- 00:40:56cars they have nonlinear state of charge
- 00:40:58scale so when you have discharged it
- 00:41:00down to 50% battery when you do the math
- 00:41:04you have spent more than 60% of the
- 00:41:05energy in the
- 00:41:07battery this is quite common well I mean
- 00:41:09maybe it's not common knowledge but I
- 00:41:11have known this for a long year for a
- 00:41:12long time I have measured this over and
- 00:41:15over again and also the Korean car is
- 00:41:17not unique other cars uh are also doing
- 00:41:19it but for example Tesla again dead e
- 00:41:22dead accurate
- 00:41:2450% St charge is 50 wait [ __ ] oh uh I
- 00:41:30have to call them later okay but um yeah
- 00:41:35it's probably the place calling me that
- 00:41:37but okay uh I need to wrap up uh soon
- 00:41:40but
- 00:41:42um um you should try to get back to the
- 00:41:46same position uh yes so my plan is as as
- 00:41:49long as you turn around at least at
- 00:41:5155% s the charge you should be able to
- 00:41:53go back to the starting point or close
- 00:41:55to the starting point whatever you want
- 00:41:56to to end up right outside the
- 00:41:58city uh because even even Aviation
- 00:42:02change can change uh um when you go up a
- 00:42:05hill and then you go down the hill the
- 00:42:07way some cars uh region and stuff can be
- 00:42:11different but at least if we end up the
- 00:42:13same point that is
- 00:42:15better so uh what else uh can be done
- 00:42:18yeah spedometer speed correction and
- 00:42:21whatever you know still needs to be
- 00:42:22taken uh in
- 00:42:25consideration um uh and then suddenly we
- 00:42:27will have a a good result that that uh
- 00:42:31the car manufacturer will
- 00:42:33acknowledge uh because also another
- 00:42:35thing I need to point out is that uh
- 00:42:38enough uh at least they they claim
- 00:42:40themselves that the test or that the
- 00:42:43consumers are important so maybe they
- 00:42:47don't say this directly that the test is
- 00:42:49done for the consumers but at least I
- 00:42:51haven't found a place where they say
- 00:42:52that they do this test for car
- 00:42:54manufacturers so when I read between the
- 00:42:57lines they are doing this for the
- 00:42:58consumers and if they care and if they
- 00:43:01make this test for the consumers I mean
- 00:43:02they even pull pull in uh B 4X with
- 00:43:05their own uh money right they rented one
- 00:43:08for the consumers because the consumers
- 00:43:09want to know this well if if they want
- 00:43:12to do this for the consumers they have
- 00:43:14to remember that the consumers are dumb
- 00:43:16okay sorry for the uh for me speaking
- 00:43:19from theer but the consumers they don't
- 00:43:21have time to to understand state of
- 00:43:24charge scale linearity or heat loss and
- 00:43:27preheating and Battery temperature and
- 00:43:29heat Scavenging they don't know all that
- 00:43:30[ __ ] all they care about is to look at
- 00:43:33the test for 5 minutes and find out
- 00:43:34which car is best for them so that's why
- 00:43:37they have to be as correct as possible
- 00:43:39they don't have to explain all the
- 00:43:40corrections or anything like that as
- 00:43:42long as the result they have there is
- 00:43:44correct and another way of verifying
- 00:43:47this is that if other car tester like me
- 00:43:50or lb 24 which is really skill uh people
- 00:43:54and also uh El foring and and Kyle and
- 00:43:59battery life or know as long as those
- 00:44:01people we end up with the same result
- 00:44:03that means that that result is
- 00:44:05trustworthy if some German car
- 00:44:08manufacturer if some German car
- 00:44:11tester suddenly tests uh the new fat
- 00:44:13rron in downhill and uh Tailwind in
- 00:44:17Germany with h off and he finds out that
- 00:44:20the latest fat rron is super
- 00:44:23efficient uh are people going to believe
- 00:44:25that yeah some people might fall for it
- 00:44:27but uh most people in the car industry
- 00:44:29be like LOL that test is rigged you
- 00:44:33know yeah
- 00:44:36so
- 00:44:37um and also I remember there was one guy
- 00:44:40he was like yeah but LOL uh uh the N
- 00:44:45test is fine you know you're just
- 00:44:47nitpicking it's just minor Minor error
- 00:44:50who cares about that well the the the
- 00:44:54measurement error is big bigger than you
- 00:44:56think you know recently I got some uh
- 00:45:00shower walls installed and uh the
- 00:45:02plumber wanted me to measure how big the
- 00:45:04the measurement of the shower wall how
- 00:45:06big is it and it's it's well downstairs
- 00:45:11is 90 CM upstairs is 100 cm let's take
- 00:45:13100 cm as an example right so if you
- 00:45:16have 100 cm shower wall and then the
- 00:45:18measuring tape what they were I use it's
- 00:45:21not accurate right well I need to
- 00:45:24hammer
- 00:45:26oh is coming through yeah okay but yeah
- 00:45:31if if uh let's say if the real uh
- 00:45:34distance or yeah yeah if the if the
- 00:45:36shower wall is not 100 cm if it's
- 00:45:4099.7 then it's fine and you measure it
- 00:45:42right with 1 or 2 mm Precision but in
- 00:45:45this case if it's supposed to be 100 cm
- 00:45:48and you measure it to be 90 CM or 95 CM
- 00:45:52you see the
- 00:45:53problem the plumber will then order
- 00:45:56shower wall fit for 95 cm and then
- 00:45:59suddenly it doesn't
- 00:46:01fit that is basically uh the the N test
- 00:46:04in a
- 00:46:05nutshell so uh I
- 00:46:10mean uh how do I explain this that uh
- 00:46:12you know even my tests are not 100%
- 00:46:15correct you know my my uh my range test
- 00:46:18or
- 00:46:19whatever but at least I claim that my
- 00:46:21test I taken so many things in
- 00:46:24consideration so they they are down to
- 00:46:26the millimeter position but then the N
- 00:46:28test is in the in the cenm position in
- 00:46:32comparison so yeah um but I mean uh like
- 00:46:38I said you know I I I don't want to be
- 00:46:40uh I don't want to be uh uh enemies with
- 00:46:44enough they are cool people uh they they
- 00:46:47do great job I just feel like they need
- 00:46:50to get a little nudge and uh and get uh
- 00:46:54uh yeah maybe get some tip about how
- 00:46:57they should do things and also I I feel
- 00:46:59like I need to educate my audience that
- 00:47:02uh uh um yeah you you just have to
- 00:47:05understand every aspect of uh tests uh
- 00:47:08done here and there
- 00:47:10right so um yeah um let me see uh [ __ ] I
- 00:47:15need to call back that
- 00:47:17dude uh yeah
- 00:47:21uh I think I'm getting close to no no
- 00:47:24let me check here I need to no no
- 00:47:25actually I'm fine I'm fine I can talk
- 00:47:26longer but I feel like the video is
- 00:47:28getting uh too long already so maybe um
- 00:47:31maybe I should end it yeah before uh
- 00:47:34it's too
- 00:47:35late but um yeah um there was actually
- 00:47:39some other things I I read there was a
- 00:47:41very interesting uh like the the more
- 00:47:45you read about this like
- 00:47:49uh yeah I I don't know how much I should
- 00:47:52talk about all this stuff but it it's
- 00:47:56when it comes to Toyota you know and the
- 00:47:58range test and and yeah for example I
- 00:48:01can I I actually admit that my 1,000 K
- 00:48:04Challenge might not be that relevant uh
- 00:48:08for most people the range test I feel
- 00:48:10like is relevant uh noise test also you
- 00:48:13know banana box test also it gives you a
- 00:48:15a sense of how spacious the car is even
- 00:48:18though yeah it is I use quite big boxes
- 00:48:21which can be Advantage for some cars
- 00:48:24like this car here the av9 is quite
- 00:48:27boxy true um but with everything else
- 00:48:30there will always be some measurement
- 00:48:32error or yeah um but when it comes to
- 00:48:361,000 K Challenge yeah um it's probably
- 00:48:39not relevant for most people but in a
- 00:48:41way it's like a the ultimate stress test
- 00:48:43just like when people do a leemon 24hour
- 00:48:46i who how relevant is it right uh and in
- 00:48:50another word uh in another sense uh even
- 00:48:52when you when you uh uh talk about range
- 00:48:57on fossil cars does it matter or top
- 00:49:00speed on cars does it matter uh no uh
- 00:49:03really no uh drug racing does it matter
- 00:49:06no but at least the 1,000 K Challenge I
- 00:49:09will probably still do it I will not
- 00:49:11change it it's like the ultimate stress
- 00:49:13test to uh to uncover any flaws that
- 00:49:18some cars have
- 00:49:21so but but again my test I want to make
- 00:49:25relevant and useful uh and it should be
- 00:49:29real world right so that's the whole
- 00:49:32purpose I'm doing the test for for my
- 00:49:35consumers but also actually for me
- 00:49:38though I might also do the test for car
- 00:49:40manufacturers because if there is a flaw
- 00:49:42let's say rapid gate or some bug or some
- 00:49:45B bad
- 00:49:46feature uh car manufacturers can see
- 00:49:50this and they can fix this if they care
- 00:49:52about this it has already been the case
- 00:49:54for many yeah
- 00:49:56cars so
- 00:49:58um so yeah um I think that's going to be
- 00:50:03it I need to call back the dude and I
- 00:50:05also need to hammer this uh Danish uh
- 00:50:10Audi oh man so nice oh yeah ev9 man oh
- 00:50:15it is so good and also this landscape
- 00:50:18man I like be like don't stop don't stop
- 00:50:21yeah okay okay okay keep going keep
- 00:50:23going don't stop don't stop I mean it's
- 00:50:25a beautiful landscape here maybe I
- 00:50:26should try to find something else to
- 00:50:28talk about but I was trying to remember
- 00:50:31now I I read may I also recommend you
- 00:50:33guys to to to also read about read about
- 00:50:37this test and also about the comments
- 00:50:39from El
- 00:50:4124 and yeah
- 00:50:45uh and other places maybe about this
- 00:50:48test so but yeah okay whatever I think I
- 00:50:51just have to end it here but even though
- 00:50:54we we just hit the most beautiful places
- 00:50:56now but yeah so um uh hopefully this uh
- 00:51:00video was useful for you and um we'll
- 00:51:03see how it goes I will read the comments
- 00:51:06as usual and see what you guys have what
- 00:51:07kind of input you have um and then we'll
- 00:51:10just uh end it here so um I hope you
- 00:51:13guys enjoy the video as always thank you
- 00:51:15for watching and talk to you later
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