Germany just killed Democracy..?

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TLDRDeutschland hat die AFD (Alternative für Deutschland) als extremistische Bedrohung eingestuft, was zur Gewährung erweiterter Überwachungsbefugnisse an die Geheimdienste geführt hat. Die AFD wird beschuldigt, gegen die demokratischen Prinzipien der Verfassung zu verstoßen, indem sie bestimmte Gruppen, insbesondere Migranten und Muslime, diskriminiert. Dies hat in der öffentlichen Debatte zu intensiven Diskussionen über die Gefahren solcher extremistischen Haltungen und die Herausforderungen für die Demokratie in Deutschland geführt. Die AFD plant rechtliche Schritte gegen diese Einstufung und wird als stark wachsende Partei angesehen, die bei den Wahlen immer mehr Unterstützung gewinnt.

Punti di forza

  • 🏛️ Deutschland hat die AFD als extremistische Bedrohung eingestuft.
  • 🔍 Die AFD wird jetzt unter intensiverer Überwachung stehen.
  • ⚖️ Kritiker befürchten, dass die Überwachung demokratische Prozesse untergräbt.
  • 📈 Die AFD hat seit den letzten Wahlen an Unterstützung gewonnen.
  • 📜 Das Grundgesetz erlaubt eine Parteibannung unter bestimmten Umständen.
  • 💼 Die AFD plant rechtliche Schritte gegen die Einstufung.
  • 🗣️ Die Diskussion über die AFD ist stark polarisiert.
  • 🚨 Die AFD könnte von der Überwachung profitieren, indem sie sich als Opfer darstellt.

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    Deutschland hat die AFD, eine von Elon Musk unterstützte rechtsextreme Partei, offiziell als extremistische Bedrohung eingestuft, was umfassende Überwachungsbefugnisse freischaltet. Die AFD hat in den letzten Wahlen bedeutende Gewinne erzielt, indem sie sich gegen Einwanderung aussprach, was als extremistisch angesehen wird.

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    Die AFD wird seit Jahren von den deutschen Geheimdiensten als extremistisch verdächtigt. Ein 1.100-seitiger Bericht belegt, dass die AFD gegen die demokratischen Prinzipien der deutschen Verfassung verstößt, insbesondere durch den Ausschluss bestimmter ethnischer Gruppen.

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    Die AFD hat Nazi-Slogans verwendet und versucht, Menschen mit Migrationshintergrund und muslimischen Glaubens auszuschließen. Dies wird als unvereinbar mit der deutschen Verfassung angesehen. Die AFD bezeichnet die Einstufung als schweren Schlag für die Demokratie.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Die Diskussion über die Einstufung der AFD als extremistische Partei hat zugenommen. Es gibt Bedenken, dass eine solche Einstufung die Unterstützung für die AFD nur verstärken könnte, ähnlich wie bei Donald Trump in den USA.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Die AFD plant rechtliche Schritte gegen die Einstufung. Ein Gericht hat bereits bestätigt, dass die AFD als Verdachtsfall gilt. Die Überwachung könnte die AFD weiter stärken und mobilisieren.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Die AFD hat in den letzten Wahlen 21% der Stimmen erhalten und ist die zweitgrößte politische Kraft in Deutschland. Die Diskussion über eine mögliche Parteiverbannung wird intensiver, da die AFD als Bedrohung für die Demokratie angesehen wird.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Die deutsche Verfassung erlaubt es, Parteien zu verbannen, die gegen die Grundprinzipien der Demokratie verstoßen. Die AFD wird als rassistisch und gegen die Menschenwürde gerichtet angesehen, was die Diskussion über ihre Zukunft weiter anheizt.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Die AFD hat in den letzten Jahren an Unterstützung gewonnen, was die politische Landschaft in Deutschland polarisiert. Die Debatte über die Einwanderung und die Reaktion der Regierung auf die AFD wird weiterhin kontrovers diskutiert.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:46:36

    Die AFD wird als populistische Bewegung wahrgenommen, die sich gegen die etablierten politischen Institutionen richtet. Die Diskussion über die Rechte der Wähler und die Grenzen der Demokratie wird in Deutschland zunehmend relevant.

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Video Domande e Risposte

  • Was ist die AFD?

    Die Alternative für Deutschland (AFD) ist eine rechtsextreme politische Partei in Deutschland, die sich hauptsächlich gegen Einwanderung und das Establishment positioniert.

  • Warum wurde die AFD als extremistisch eingestuft?

    Die AFD wurde als extremistisch eingestuft, weil sie demokratische Prinzipien untergräbt und gegen Gruppen aufgrund von Ethnizität und Abstammung agiert.

  • Was bedeutet die Einstufung als extremistisch für die AFD?

    Die AFD wird nun stärker überwacht, da der Staat Überwachungsbefugnisse erhält, um extremistische Aktivitäten zu erkennen.

  • Wie hat die AFD auf die Einstufung reagiert?

    Die AFD hat die Entscheidung als nonsensisch bezeichnet und plant rechtliche Schritte gegen die Klassifizierung.

  • Was sagen Kritiker zur Überwachung der AFD?

    Kritiker argumentieren, dass die Überwachung und mögliche Verbote einer Partei demokratische Prozesse gefährden könnten.

  • Wie ist die öffentliche Meinung zur AFD in Deutschland?

    Die AFD hat in den letzten Wahlen an Unterstützung gewonnen und ist nun die zweitgrößte politische Kraft.

  • Gibt es in Deutschland Regeln, die eine Parteibannung ermöglichen?

    Ja, das Grundgesetz in Deutschland erlaubt eine Parteibannung, wenn die Partei gegen die demokratische Grundordnung verstößt.

  • Was sind die Hauptanliegen der AFD?

    Die AFD konzentriert sich auf die Einwanderungspolitik und bekämpft die Maßnahmen der aktuellen Regierung.

  • Könnte die Überwachung der AFD die Unterstützung für die Partei erhöhen?

    Einige Experten glauben, dass die Überwachung die Unterstützung für die AFD noch verstärken könnte, indem sie sie als Opfer darstellt.

  • Wie sieht die Zukunft der AFD aus?

    Die Zukunft der AFD bleibt ungewiss, aber sie könnte weiter wachsen, insbesondere wenn die Überwachung als Angriff auf ihre Anhänger betrachtet wird.

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    So, Germany has rightfully and
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    officially declared the Elon Muskbacked
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    Nazi party uh AFD an extremist threat,
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    unlocking full surveillance powers. Now
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    to politics in Germany, where the
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    far-right political party, the AFD,
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    alternative for Deutseland, has been
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    classified as an extremist organization
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    by the country's domestic intelligence
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    agency. Uh the AFD made major gains in
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    recent parliamentary elections standing
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    on a platform of opposing immigration
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    according to that's extremist is to not
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    want immigrants.
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    I mean because like I would understand.
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    I mean like if for example like they
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    were bombing places or they were violent
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    or you know they were talking about like
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    you know let's let's do let's finish
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    what Hitler started or like some crazy
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    [ __ ] like yeah of course like yeah they
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    are an extreme party and this is like
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    basically again a terrorist organization
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    but like if this is something bad that
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    they're doing let's find out why it's
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    not just that. Okay well let's see what
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    the reasons are. agency. The AFD wants
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    to exclude people from the democratic
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    process based on their ancestry or
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    ethnicity and this it said is
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    incompatible with the German
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    constitution. The AFD has described the
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    news as a heavy blow to democracy. Well,
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    let's speak now to Claraara Feffer,
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    political correspondent for German
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    outlets RTL and NTV. Clara, thank you
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    very much for joining us today to tell
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    us more about this and um uh take us
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    through what the intelligence agencies
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    are saying their reasoning for this
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    decision.
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    Yes, thank you very much and hello from
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    Berlin. They are basically confirming a
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    suspicion that they've been um
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    investigating for years now. So the AFD
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    has been a case of suspicion of being
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    extremist for years and now they've
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    compiled a paper of 1,100 pages that is
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    saying we have it confirmed. We know
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    that the AFD is not um not against it is
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    against basically the democratic
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    principles of our German constitution
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    specifically because it is trying to
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    exclude entire groups especially people
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    with a migrational background and people
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    who are of Muslim religion. So they have
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    found proof and that's not everything. I
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    would say that's pretty extreme. Yeah,
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    that sounds pretty extreme to be fair.
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    They've also found more and more proof
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    and put it together into that paper
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    saying that um the AFD is repeatedly
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    using Nazi slogans. Show the proof.
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    Okay. All right. Very simple. If there
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    is proof, I support it. If there's not
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    proof, then I don't support it. Right.
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    Like wouldn't every statement that a
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    person makes on something being bad or
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    good be implied that proof is
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    provided? Like why would I say something
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    if there's no proof for it? I'm a like
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    we are operating under the presumption
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    that proof exists for this. Now that
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    assumption could be wrong but if the
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    assumption is correct I would say this
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    is pretty extreme. It is it's
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    extreme. are usually not allowed in
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    Germany. They have been saying that we
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    should change our way of remembering the
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    Holocaust. So, they've just put
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    everything together that we've been
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    seeing and also many people have known
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    for years. And you must also know that
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    the AFD is already classified as
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    extremist in three different states in
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    Germany and former Eastern German
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    states. So, this is now the AFD like uh
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    like let me see like didn't don't aren't
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    they like one of the most popular
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    parties? So AFD is blue
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    and I mean that that's a lot of people
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    and and here's another one. It's 152
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    now. Germany's conservative celebrates
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    an election win but AFD's historic gains
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    loom. And if you look at this one's 2025
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    it shows the AFD at plus 10 which is
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    higher. So it it's growing almost twice
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    as fast besides FDP. I don't know what
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    that is either. Oh SD. Yeah, this one's
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    also growing very fast. Uh it is but it
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    is the fastest growing party. It's the
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    second biggest party. Okay. That's
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    that's that's a lot. Wow. Basically
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    confirming that that is the case not
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    only for these I think this is like one
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    of the problems of like a it's like a
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    democracy paradox, right? Where it's
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    like if enough people get together and
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    they democratically want to get rid of a
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    democratic process, how do you deal with
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    that? Like and I actually I don't I
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    don't know what the answer to that is at
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    all. Right? But like if if the people
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    want this, right?
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    It's like how do you deal with the
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    people wanting something even though the
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    thing that they want would not be
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    possible to want if they got what they
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    wanted? I don't know. You need an
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    extreme minor majority. Yeah. I guess
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    we'll find out in four
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    years. Germany has it in a constitution.
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    Well, every look, a constitution, these
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    are all just [ __ ] right? I mean,
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    this is all they change these rules.
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    They ignore them whenever they they want
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    to. Nobody gives a [ __ ] about this. It's
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    the same as the US. People care about
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    it. No, I'm I'm being honest. I'm being
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    honest, but for the entire German um
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    country. Uh interesting comments from
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    Chancellor Olaf Schulz. He's not
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    chancellor for very much longer of
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    course but he's saying uh the domestic
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    intelligence agency provides very
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    detailed justification but ban
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    proceedings must not be rushed uh you
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    know what sort of discussion is there
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    about a potential ban. I think that
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    there is a uh like a 100% chance that if
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    they get classified as an extreme right
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    party that it will only serve to
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    embolden more people to support them.
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    And I think that like in general, this
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    is kind of what happened with Donald
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    Trump. Like I I think that the amount of
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    like prosecution and everything that
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    Donald Trump went through, justified or
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    unjustified,
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    um definitely served to galvanize his
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    viewer base and his fan base and yeah,
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    fan base. It's a [ __ ] president,
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    right? But like, let's be honest here.
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    Uh it galvanized his fan base and voter
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    base uh to be even that much more
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    fervently in his support.
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    Yeah, that's a highly political
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    discussion that has been going on for
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    years and especially in the last couple
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    of months. It has also been um discussed
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    a lot. The last government or the last
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    bundist tag that was just uh reelected
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    said that they they they tried to do it.
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    They tried to get a majority. They
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    failed. There were not enough um member
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    of parliament who were in favor of
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    starting a ban. That's also a very long
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    process. Oops. Sorry.
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    And that's also a very long process. And
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    the discussion is basically how do we
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    get that party smaller? That's what the
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    other political parties want to reach.
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    And is the irony not lost that the goal
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    is to make this party smaller and it is
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    in the service of democracy? Like I I
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    cuz that's kind it's kind of funny to me
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    to see
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    that she said it. Yeah. If if that's
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    their goal like what are we doing here?
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    They are worried that if you try it with
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    an actual ban and that whole process
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    that will take years and throughout
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    those years the AFD will have the
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    opportunity to claim that that's being
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    um a cause that they are actually the
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    victims that is not transparent that
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    they have they're being surveyed by the
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    state. So that
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    well they are though,
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    right? They are like that. That's it's I
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    mean it's not like they're making this
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    up. I mean you could say that they
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    deserve to be surveyed. You could say
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    that yeah they are an extremist group
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    but like this is happening. It's it is
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    happening.
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    Also be an opportunity for the AFD to
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    maybe grow even further and mobilize.
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    Yeah. And the AFD they are talking about
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    legal action u in response to this
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    classification aren't they? Exactly.
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    They are saying that they want to take
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    legal actions. They've also tried that
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    against that case of suspicion that has
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    been going on for years. Last year a
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    court in Müster confirmed that they are
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    a case of suspicion. there is still some
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    more legal action going on and they will
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    also now try um to have legal actions
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    against that classification that
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    confirmation of this classification
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    because I think that's important to
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    understand that we've already been
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    seeing that for years and now it's
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    basically a confirmation of what the
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    bundes which is the institution that
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    tries to make sure that our constitution
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    is protected in Germany has been seeing
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    and go yeah surveying for years so they
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    will take legal actions um I don't know
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    how much so they're going to take So,
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    they're basically going to put this uh
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    they're going to put these guys under
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    surveillance. Oh my god. Possibility of
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    success there is. But obviously that
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    delays and the discussion I think that
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    this decision will be seen like
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    historically as the same decision as
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    like them trying to prosecute Trump on
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    like 34
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    felonies. I I I do think so. I I think
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    that the moment that you start trying to
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    cuz like it's one thing if you have a
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    party like this and I if you can't beat
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    people in the free marketplace of ideas
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    and you have to resort to and again keep
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    in mind I disagree with a lot of what
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    the AFD is saying. I don't like the idea
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    that people who migrate over and they're
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    a citizen of Germany but they came from
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    another country. Uh I don't agree that
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    they shouldn't be able to vote, right? I
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    mean if they're a citizen they should be
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    able to vote or at least their kids
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    should be able to vote. I mean, I I I I
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    believe in that. Not true. Well, I'm
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    just saying like theor if it's not even
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    true. Okay. Okay. All right. Here's my
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    point. Let me just take a step back and
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    explain my point of
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    view. Ultimately, I think people have
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    the right to be governed by who they
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    choose.
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    Whether this is a person who is a
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    racist, homophobic, anti-demograph, uh
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    democratic, uh who is an [ __ ] who
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    is, you know, like a socialist, a
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    communist, I think people have the right
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    to elect who their leaders are
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    fundamentally. And if you don't have is
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    anti-demographic, yeah, transphobic.
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    Yeah. Well, I mean, like we've elected a
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    lot of people here in the US that are
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    transphobic, right? Taxation means
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    representation. Sure. So at the end of
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    the day, if you have a lot of people
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    supporting this party and you actively
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    subvert their abilities to support the
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    party, then you are basically taking
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    away their right to vote. You're taking
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    away their right to uh be represented in
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    the government. And I don't think that
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    usually goes very well.
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    Will be out there for months and months
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    to go. Okay, Clara, thank you very much.
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    clarify like and and also like by the
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    way I I I'm not really a huge supporter
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    in a lot of cases of democracy in some
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    cases either like a lot of people are
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    stupid. They they are they're dumb but
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    at the same time that's still their
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    right to have it happen. And I I'll look
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    at one more and see if there's any more
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    information about this. But um decision
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    could pave the way for the AFD. So
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    they're going to ban the
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    party. Holy [ __ ] Or they could, to be
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    fair, they could do that. We begin here
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    in Germany where the domestic
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    intelligence agency has designated the
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    far-right AFD party an extremist
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    organization and a threat to democracy.
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    The alternative for Germany finished. It
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    is funny for me to hear the threat to
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    democracy thing because like as an
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    American, this is like a [ __ ] sirens
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    call that we've been hearing for the
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    last 10 years with like Donald Trump and
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    it's like, "Oh, okay. I I've heard this
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    one before.
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    Second in February's national election
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    with almost 21% of the vote making it
  • 00:12:05
    the main opposition in the incoming
  • 00:12:07
    parliament. The official classification
  • 00:12:09
    doesn't mean the AFD is banned, but its
  • 00:12:12
    activities will now be subject to even
  • 00:12:14
    closer surveillance, but it could make
  • 00:12:16
    says it will challenge the decision.
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    Right-wing extremist with a disregard
  • 00:12:22
    for human dignity. That's how the
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    farright AFD, Germany's second largest
  • 00:12:27
    political force, is now officially
  • 00:12:29
    classified in an 1100page report.
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    The new assessment by the Domestic
  • 00:12:36
    Intelligence Agency shows that we are a
  • 00:12:38
    robust democracy and have legal
  • 00:12:40
    instruments to protect our democracy
  • 00:12:42
    against extremist threats. This includes
  • 00:12:45
    observation and evaluation by the
  • 00:12:46
    domestic intelligence agency, as is the
  • 00:12:49
    case here.
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    The AFD's leadership called the decision
  • 00:12:54
    quote complete nonsense, claiming the
  • 00:12:56
    party has been essentially criminalized
  • 00:12:58
    just before the change of government.
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    It's well, I mean, they kind of have,
  • 00:13:02
    right? I mean, like if if there like,
  • 00:13:05
    let's be real, right? I mean, if the
  • 00:13:06
    government is giving a certain ability
  • 00:13:09
    to, you know, like survey and keep up
  • 00:13:11
    with what you're doing that other
  • 00:13:13
    countries or other parties don't have
  • 00:13:15
    the option to do, then that's bad. the
  • 00:13:17
    AFD. So, this is uh uh Germany just gave
  • 00:13:20
    its spy agency new powers to survey the
  • 00:13:22
    opposition. That's not democracy, it's
  • 00:13:24
    tyranny in disguise. What's truly
  • 00:13:25
    extremist uh is not the popular AFD,
  • 00:13:28
    which took second in the recent
  • 00:13:30
    election, but rather the establishment's
  • 00:13:32
    deadly open border immigration policy
  • 00:13:33
    that the yet the AFD opposes. Germany
  • 00:13:36
    should reverse reverse course. Yeah,
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    this is a dem uh this is democracy. The
  • 00:13:40
    decision is a result of a thorough and
  • 00:13:42
    independent investigation to protect our
  • 00:13:44
    constitution, the rule of law. It's
  • 00:13:46
    independent. The courts will have the
  • 00:13:47
    final say. We've learned from our
  • 00:13:48
    history that right-wing extremism needs
  • 00:13:49
    to be stopped. And this is from Germany.
  • 00:13:51
    So it's so wait a minute. So the idea of
  • 00:13:54
    democracy is to not let people vote for
  • 00:13:56
    certain things. I don't know about
  • 00:14:00
    that. Yeah. I mean and like I can
  • 00:14:02
    respect the idea like you think
  • 00:14:04
    democracy is a bad idea because a lot of
  • 00:14:06
    people are dumb and they shouldn't vote.
  • 00:14:08
    Totally reasonable. Easy to say. I
  • 00:14:11
    agree. Yep. Sure. But don't go and say
  • 00:14:14
    that. Don't don't say that you care
  • 00:14:15
    about democracy and not do that. Yeah,
  • 00:14:17
    we're a republic. Exactly. And uh yeah,
  • 00:14:20
    you can't use democracy to kill
  • 00:14:21
    democracy. I don't know. That's the
  • 00:14:23
    question. A court challenge. The AFD
  • 00:14:26
    came second in February's general
  • 00:14:28
    election. And recent polls suggest it
  • 00:14:30
    has even gained support since then with
  • 00:14:33
    I think that it will continue to grow in
  • 00:14:34
    support. The more time basically this is
  • 00:14:36
    the reason why the AFD is growing in
  • 00:14:38
    support. The AFD is growing in support.
  • 00:14:41
    And also, by the way, if you're German
  • 00:14:43
    and you disagree with me on this, then
  • 00:14:45
    I'm wrong and you're right, okay? Like,
  • 00:14:47
    this is my opinion as an American who's
  • 00:14:50
    just looking in at this as a third party
  • 00:14:52
    and I could be totally uh uneducated and
  • 00:14:54
    uninformed about this and I could be
  • 00:14:57
    wrong, but this is what I'm seeing as a
  • 00:14:59
    American who's looking in on the
  • 00:15:01
    situation. Okay? Uh I see that Germany
  • 00:15:04
    has a tremendous amount of speech laws.
  • 00:15:06
    I think that Germany has the original
  • 00:15:08
    sin of Hitler and Nazism and because of
  • 00:15:11
    that the entire culture is built around
  • 00:15:14
    making sure that that doesn't happen
  • 00:15:16
    again and in the process of that they
  • 00:15:19
    have created a situation where even
  • 00:15:22
    reasonable discourse about uh like kind
  • 00:15:24
    of limiting or like preventing migration
  • 00:15:28
    is viewed through the same lens as
  • 00:15:30
    Nazism is. And I think that that's
  • 00:15:32
    what's really radicalized people. it's
  • 00:15:34
    that they see people uh coming into
  • 00:15:36
    Germany at like a huge amount like a lot
  • 00:15:38
    of migrants coming into Germany at a
  • 00:15:41
    very very high rate. Uh they're not
  • 00:15:42
    assimilating with the culture. They are
  • 00:15:44
    being violent, you know, like the whole
  • 00:15:46
    trucks of peace thing, etc. And I do
  • 00:15:49
    think that I do think that some degree
  • 00:15:51
    of migration and immigration would be
  • 00:15:53
    fine and it would be okay. And we have
  • 00:15:55
    that here in the US and the fact is that
  • 00:15:57
    a lot of people do get along. But the
  • 00:15:59
    problem is that when you I think there's
  • 00:16:02
    a huge really big difference between
  • 00:16:03
    like migration and mass migration
  • 00:16:06
    because I think migration allows people
  • 00:16:08
    to come to another country and
  • 00:16:10
    assimilate into the culture of that
  • 00:16:12
    country and then if you have mass
  • 00:16:14
    migration though you just have basically
  • 00:16:16
    a large group of people that's being
  • 00:16:18
    displaced into a different place and
  • 00:16:21
    they just kind of maintain their own
  • 00:16:22
    culture. I think that's kind of what
  • 00:16:24
    happens. And so it has to be done over
  • 00:16:26
    time in order for them to be assimilated
  • 00:16:29
    properly into the culture. That's what I
  • 00:16:32
    think is is the case, right? I could be
  • 00:16:34
    wrong, but that's just what logically
  • 00:16:36
    makes sense to me. So, uh yeah, it's not
  • 00:16:39
    that they're not allowed uh to vote for
  • 00:16:41
    AFD. It's the AFD hasn't followed the
  • 00:16:42
    Constitution with their political
  • 00:16:43
    policies and their policies in the
  • 00:16:44
    future will led to lead to a less
  • 00:16:46
    democratic society. Uh yeah, I mean I I
  • 00:16:49
    understand that's what they're saying,
  • 00:16:51
    but what I'm saying is that do people
  • 00:16:53
    have the right to like this is here's an
  • 00:16:56
    interesting it's interesting
  • 00:16:58
    philosophical question, right? Do people
  • 00:17:00
    have the right to democratically vote to
  • 00:17:03
    have less
  • 00:17:06
    democracy? Do they or not? Not in
  • 00:17:08
    Germany, right? Yeah, but I don't care
  • 00:17:09
    what the const const who cares what the
  • 00:17:13
    Oh, wow. some old [ __ ] that's probably
  • 00:17:15
    dead wrote this down a long time ago.
  • 00:17:18
    Let's base everything off of that. No,
  • 00:17:20
    no, no. I don't care what any rule says.
  • 00:17:23
    I don't care what any of this says at
  • 00:17:25
    all. I only care about what I think is
  • 00:17:27
    good and bad. That's it. Uh whether it's
  • 00:17:29
    our constitution, somebody else's
  • 00:17:31
    constitution, any law, times change. And
  • 00:17:35
    so, is it good or not? Should you be
  • 00:17:38
    able to or not? That's the question.
  • 00:17:43
    Exactly. Constitution can be altered.
  • 00:17:44
    Yeah, you can change. Yeah, the
  • 00:17:46
    Constitution can be altered. Same as
  • 00:17:47
    ours. Like that's why we have the
  • 00:17:49
    amendment against slavery, for
  • 00:17:52
    example. And women to women to vote.
  • 00:17:54
    That's another one.
  • 00:17:57
    Showing it as the strongest party in
  • 00:17:58
    Germany. The domestic intelligence
  • 00:18:01
    agency said the party's prevailing
  • 00:18:05
    understanding of people based on
  • 00:18:06
    ethnicity and descent is incompatible
  • 00:18:09
    with the free democratic basic order.
  • 00:18:12
    Mhm. So, let me see how much support
  • 00:18:15
    they actually have. And I this is uh
  • 00:18:18
    what uh which
  • 00:18:21
    parties which parties currently have the
  • 00:18:25
    most support uh in Germany ranked based
  • 00:18:30
    on most recent available data. Here's
  • 00:18:32
    the following of a ranked list. Um so,
  • 00:18:35
    AFD is number two with 20%
  • 00:18:42
    Okay. Graph of AFD support in
  • 00:18:47
    Germany over the
  • 00:18:50
    years. All right, let's look at this.
  • 00:18:53
    That's
  • 00:18:54
    old. Okay, give me a second. I'm going
  • 00:18:56
    to take a look at it. I don't have
  • 00:18:59
    direct access to making a
  • 00:19:03
    graph. Uh, so it has been going.
  • 00:19:11
    Wow. AFD support in Germany 2013 to
  • 00:19:15
    2015. Oh wow, that's a whole lot. God
  • 00:19:21
    damn. 26%. Yeah. So it's showing 26%
  • 00:19:25
    support. Uh the snap federal election
  • 00:19:28
    saw AFD use uh what do you call it?
  • 00:19:29
    Achieve 20% doubling its doubling its
  • 00:19:32
    2021 result. So this was the other this
  • 00:19:35
    was the last federal election and this
  • 00:19:36
    is this federal election. What about the
  • 00:19:38
    one in 2017? It was 12%. So, it's very
  • 00:19:42
    clear that this is going up
  • 00:19:45
    massively. Wow. 26% of how many parties?
  • 00:19:49
    I think there's like seven or something
  • 00:19:51
    like somewhere around
  • 00:19:52
    seven. And so, uh, April 2025, uh, polls
  • 00:19:56
    showed it peaked at 26%
  • 00:19:59
    uh, briefly overtaking CDU CSU in some
  • 00:20:04
    surveys. Wow. The report said it saw
  • 00:20:07
    evidence of ongoing agitation by the
  • 00:20:10
    party against refugees and migrants,
  • 00:20:12
    citing statements by far. Oh yeah,
  • 00:20:14
    there's agitation. They want to get rid
  • 00:20:16
    of them. I mean, I I could say that I
  • 00:20:19
    like if somebody wanted to get rid of
  • 00:20:20
    me, I would say they're agitating me.
  • 00:20:24
    Yeah. Yeah. AFD politicians in internal
  • 00:20:28
    communications easily and social media.
  • 00:20:31
    But what does this mean for the AFD
  • 00:20:33
    going forward? We should always separate
  • 00:20:36
    these legal instruments from necessary
  • 00:20:38
    political debate. As you know, and as
  • 00:20:40
    I've said time and again, a party ban
  • 00:20:42
    procedure has very high constitutional
  • 00:20:44
    hurdles for good reasons. That should
  • 00:20:47
    not be ruled out, but it should
  • 00:20:48
    continue. Oh, so they're probably going
  • 00:20:50
    to party. They're they're going to try
  • 00:20:51
    and ban a
  • 00:20:52
    party. Well, I mean, not really they're
  • 00:20:55
    going to, but like they're they're
  • 00:20:56
    saying they're not ruling it out. Be
  • 00:20:58
    handled very carefully. In any case,
  • 00:21:01
    it's not something that is automatic.
  • 00:21:04
    auto automatismos.
  • 00:21:06
    Due to Germany's history, banning
  • 00:21:08
    parties is extremely rare, and any
  • 00:21:11
    attempt to do so would be a highly
  • 00:21:12
    controversial move. But this new
  • 00:21:15
    classification will no doubt intensify
  • 00:21:17
    the debate over whether such a ban could
  • 00:21:20
    be
  • 00:21:22
    justified. If they ban the
  • 00:21:29
    party, oh boy.
  • 00:21:33
    Oh
  • 00:21:36
    boy. Bad
  • 00:21:40
    move. I think that I I think if they ban
  • 00:21:42
    the party, that's how you get Nazis
  • 00:21:45
    again. Like
  • 00:21:47
    unironically. I think the moment like
  • 00:21:49
    remember what I said before is how I
  • 00:21:50
    think that they're going to elect the
  • 00:21:51
    new Adolf. I've been saying this for a
  • 00:21:53
    while. Here it is.
  • 00:21:57
    Let's take a closer look at this with
  • 00:21:58
    Professor Dr. Antiaon unanburg who yeah
  • 00:22:02
    if and yeah somebody said this and this
  • 00:22:04
    is basically the way that a lot of
  • 00:22:06
    people view
  • 00:22:07
    it. I am a big fan of the democratic
  • 00:22:11
    process. No political recourse equals
  • 00:22:14
    violence. Martin Luther King said this.
  • 00:22:17
    A lot of other people have said this
  • 00:22:20
    too. Violence is the language of the
  • 00:22:22
    unheard. And if people can't vote and
  • 00:22:25
    they can't be uh represented, that's the
  • 00:22:28
    reason why the Boston Tea Party
  • 00:22:32
    happened. They want to ban 26% of
  • 00:22:35
    Germans. Yeah, think about that. That's
  • 00:22:36
    insane. That's a huge amount of people.
  • 00:22:39
    26%.
  • 00:22:41
    Professor of Constitutional Law at Tria
  • 00:22:44
    University. Welcome to uh DW, Professor.
  • 00:22:47
    Um, you've called in the past for the
  • 00:22:49
    AFD to be banned because you say it
  • 00:22:51
    violates the principles of Germany's
  • 00:22:53
    basic law, its constitution. Does that
  • 00:22:55
    mean you agree with today's decision?
  • 00:22:59
    Oh, yes, of course. I think um the
  • 00:23:02
    proceedings uh preparing for party ban
  • 00:23:06
    should be initiated. This is just me and
  • 00:23:10
    I I think it's important to look at what
  • 00:23:12
    the rules are, but I think that often
  • 00:23:15
    times the rules
  • 00:23:18
    are the laws do not dictate morality and
  • 00:23:21
    ethics. And so if there's a law that's
  • 00:23:24
    being used in a way that's unethical or
  • 00:23:27
    immoral, then that law is not valid in
  • 00:23:30
    my opinion. Like I I I don't think that
  • 00:23:32
    there's a reason you need to listen to
  • 00:23:34
    that. Like I I don't just have a blanket
  • 00:23:37
    support on rules. I think it's silly to
  • 00:23:40
    do that. So like Trump. Yeah. Yeah.
  • 00:23:42
    Pretty much.
  • 00:23:44
    And I think today's uh report uh
  • 00:23:47
    confirms our assessment that there are
  • 00:23:49
    strong indications that the party is
  • 00:23:52
    unconstitutional. And perhaps let me
  • 00:23:54
    explain to an international audience
  • 00:23:56
    that the German understanding of
  • 00:23:58
    democracy does not ban freedom of
  • 00:24:00
    speech. But we have a concept of Yeah,
  • 00:24:03
    you do. You're going to say that you
  • 00:24:05
    don't ban freedom of speech, but now
  • 00:24:06
    you're going to talk about the types of
  • 00:24:07
    speech that you're are banned
  • 00:24:10
    democracy due to our his speech. But we
  • 00:24:13
    have a concept of militant democracy.
  • 00:24:16
    Due to our history, we want to defend
  • 00:24:18
    our democracy against its opponents uh
  • 00:24:21
    opponents and its enemies. And therefore
  • 00:24:25
    in the last resort, we also have the uh
  • 00:24:27
    instrument of a party ban. We but we
  • 00:24:29
    also have this very strong uh instrument
  • 00:24:31
    of um the office pro for the protection
  • 00:24:33
    of the constitution that um investigates
  • 00:24:36
    what extremist parties do. Right. That's
  • 00:24:40
    very clear. Thank you for that. Um is it
  • 00:24:43
    the policies? Is it the way they talk
  • 00:24:45
    about the policies? Is it is it what
  • 00:24:47
    they want to do? What is it about uh the
  • 00:24:50
    AfD do you think that makes it
  • 00:24:52
    incompatible uh with German law?
  • 00:24:56
    Yeah, as you already mentioned, it's
  • 00:24:57
    it's really really um difficult to ban a
  • 00:25:01
    party and justly so because it's a
  • 00:25:04
    democracy's right to found new parties
  • 00:25:07
    and also to issue controversial topics
  • 00:25:11
    and and and opinions. Um so what's at
  • 00:25:15
    stake is the core of our constitution.
  • 00:25:18
    So it's human dignity, the core of human
  • 00:25:22
    rights, the basics of a I don't think
  • 00:25:25
    that this is going to work with the I I
  • 00:25:27
    don't think that this messaging is
  • 00:25:29
    effective because the problem and and
  • 00:25:31
    this is the reason why I think the AFD
  • 00:25:33
    has grown so much in popularity is
  • 00:25:36
    because if you look at human dignity and
  • 00:25:38
    people's basic human rights, I think
  • 00:25:40
    that that's also viewed through the lens
  • 00:25:43
    of for example uh like why is it that
  • 00:25:47
    somebody is like having to worry about
  • 00:25:49
    getting like raped, right? Why is it
  • 00:25:51
    that you have these people who are
  • 00:25:53
    migrants coming in and committing
  • 00:25:55
    violence or being uh you know murderers
  • 00:25:58
    or something like that? So it's like
  • 00:26:00
    don't people have a right to live in a
  • 00:26:02
    culture live in a society where that
  • 00:26:04
    doesn't happen? And so if you are
  • 00:26:06
    actively doing something that
  • 00:26:08
    systematically makes people more unsafe,
  • 00:26:11
    then how can you make an argument to,
  • 00:26:14
    you know, like a human having a right to
  • 00:26:16
    to being
  • 00:26:18
    safe? It doesn't make
  • 00:26:20
    sense. It's too vague. Yeah, I don't
  • 00:26:23
    think it makes sense at all.
  • 00:26:25
    Ocracy and also the basics of the rule
  • 00:26:28
    of law. And what have they and what have
  • 00:26:30
    they said or done that challenges that?
  • 00:26:34
    So what most of these reports focus on
  • 00:26:37
    is human dignity. That's the stance the
  • 00:26:40
    party takes um with uh regard to
  • 00:26:43
    migrants, foreigners. It sort of shows a
  • 00:26:48
    racist or ethnocultural um um idea of
  • 00:26:53
    the German people that is above that is
  • 00:26:55
    higher than other German citizens or
  • 00:26:58
    non-citizens that come from a migratory
  • 00:27:01
    background that uh have another religion
  • 00:27:05
    than the west. Let's assume that's true.
  • 00:27:07
    Let's assume all that's true. I think
  • 00:27:09
    about this in the concept of like Dubai
  • 00:27:12
    or like Qatar or Saudi Arabia something
  • 00:27:14
    like that. Does Saudi Arabia in my
  • 00:27:18
    opinion morally or ethically have the
  • 00:27:20
    right to decide that it wants Sharia
  • 00:27:24
    law? I think the answer is
  • 00:27:28
    yes. I think they have that right to
  • 00:27:30
    decide
  • 00:27:32
    that. It's their country. They live
  • 00:27:36
    there. They're the people that live
  • 00:27:37
    there. They should decide how they're
  • 00:27:39
    ruled. They're not a democracy, though.
  • 00:27:42
    I don't care. I'm talking about what I
  • 00:27:44
    think should happen. I don't care what
  • 00:27:46
    the vocabulary is. Why Why does the
  • 00:27:48
    vocabulary
  • 00:27:50
    matter? Something's either right or it's
  • 00:27:52
    not. That's
  • 00:27:54
    it. The law
  • 00:27:57
    is sometimes a byproduct of that, but
  • 00:28:00
    not always.
  • 00:28:02
    Christianity that that are Muslims that
  • 00:28:05
    have a different race. So denying those
  • 00:28:09
    members of the population uh equal
  • 00:28:12
    standing equality is also um well
  • 00:28:17
    amounts to denying them human dignity
  • 00:28:19
    and that's the problem but there are
  • 00:28:21
    other issues as well. So we're on the
  • 00:28:23
    cross. If I may continue. Okay. By all
  • 00:28:25
    means.
  • 00:28:27
    Yeah. I mean the other thing is that the
  • 00:28:30
    party and many of its adherence openly
  • 00:28:34
    um works against uh democratic
  • 00:28:36
    institutions and sort of delegitimizes
  • 00:28:39
    them by not saying they work properly.
  • 00:28:43
    Um um they We're not going to watch this
  • 00:28:46
    whole thing, by the way. I'm gonna
  • 00:28:48
    listen to this and then look at a few
  • 00:28:49
    more things and then we're going to uh
  • 00:28:51
    look at some other stuff too. Say they
  • 00:28:54
    lie. The media lie all the time. The
  • 00:28:57
    established parties don't work in favor
  • 00:28:59
    of the people. So this populist um well
  • 00:29:03
    they're clearly not working in favor of
  • 00:29:04
    the people because a lot of these people
  • 00:29:06
    aren't really supporting the uh you know
  • 00:29:08
    the mass migration but it keeps
  • 00:29:10
    happening. And I I think honestly a big
  • 00:29:12
    reason for that you know again this is
  • 00:29:14
    my limited understanding that could be
  • 00:29:16
    incorrect and I'm not fully educated in
  • 00:29:18
    this but my understanding is that it
  • 00:29:20
    actually comes a lot of a top down from
  • 00:29:22
    the UN.
  • 00:29:24
    That's why for example Poland has to pay
  • 00:29:26
    a fine
  • 00:29:27
    are also very problematic but the
  • 00:29:29
    problem is you have to take them down
  • 00:29:33
    you have to prove it and not all of what
  • 00:29:36
    the people want is um you know expressed
  • 00:29:39
    openly. So, it's good that we now have
  • 00:29:41
    these investigatory measures that can be
  • 00:29:44
    um you know done also in the in where
  • 00:29:48
    they can go into the secret uh um
  • 00:29:50
    meetings and find out what's really
  • 00:29:52
    going on. But here's the thing, this is
  • 00:29:54
    a very So, basically, they've decided
  • 00:29:56
    that now they can go in and spy on all
  • 00:29:59
    of their meetings and check at
  • 00:30:00
    everything that they're Okay.
  • 00:30:04
    popular um political party, something
  • 00:30:06
    like
  • 00:30:08
    24% of the votes it took at the
  • 00:30:10
    election. Do you believe that that 24%
  • 00:30:15
    of German voters who voted for the AFD
  • 00:30:18
    subscribed to these to these notions of
  • 00:30:21
    of working against democratic uh
  • 00:30:23
    institutions and working against
  • 00:30:25
    people's uh dignity?
  • 00:30:29
    Well, I'm not so sure. I mean, some of
  • 00:30:32
    them
  • 00:30:34
    probably simply feel left behind. It's
  • 00:30:37
    you you know problems that many western
  • 00:30:40
    societies have the contrast between city
  • 00:30:43
    and countryside uh west and east in
  • 00:30:46
    Germany. Um welloff well educated
  • 00:30:49
    population and the wars of um women and
  • 00:30:52
    men. So that's rather general problems.
  • 00:30:56
    um people feel left behind and they just
  • 00:30:58
    vote for the party who is most opposed
  • 00:31:01
    to anything that goes on in the
  • 00:31:02
    established system. But others are
  • 00:31:05
    openly I think there's definitely a case
  • 00:31:07
    of that and I think part of what she's
  • 00:31:08
    saying is true is that a lot of guys and
  • 00:31:11
    it's actually not guys a lot of people
  • 00:31:13
    feel like the uh uh the the government
  • 00:31:16
    has effectively ignored them in favor of
  • 00:31:18
    like foreigners for whatever reason and
  • 00:31:21
    in the process of that they have uh you
  • 00:31:23
    know decided that the government doesn't
  • 00:31:24
    care about them and they want to change
  • 00:31:26
    the government. Basically, like if you
  • 00:31:29
    if you systematically disenfranchise
  • 00:31:31
    people and you make them feel like their
  • 00:31:33
    voice doesn't matter and they can't vote
  • 00:31:35
    on things that are beneficial for them
  • 00:31:37
    and their quality of life isn't
  • 00:31:38
    improving, don't be surprised when they
  • 00:31:40
    try to burn the system down. Why would
  • 00:31:42
    people want to be okay with that?
  • 00:31:45
    Xenophobic, I think. And um because the
  • 00:31:49
    are openly xenophobic, I think. And um
  • 00:31:52
    because of course the the the border of
  • 00:31:55
    what you can openly say gradually uh
  • 00:31:58
    shifts, they can also be more outspoken
  • 00:32:01
    about this. And she's referring to the
  • 00:32:03
    Overton window and this shifting. And I
  • 00:32:05
    think this is very true. It's it's true
  • 00:32:07
    also in the United States is that it's
  • 00:32:09
    dramatically shifted recently. And I
  • 00:32:12
    think that you see a lot more, you know,
  • 00:32:14
    like very right-wing rhetoric that's not
  • 00:32:17
    immediately removed or deplatformed. And
  • 00:32:20
    I think that's a very big difference.
  • 00:32:21
    They're terrified of that. Well, yeah. I
  • 00:32:23
    mean, of course, because that's that's
  • 00:32:25
    going against what they what they want
  • 00:32:26
    to do, right? Or like what their beliefs
  • 00:32:28
    are. Of course. Very problematic. And if
  • 00:32:30
    we could sort of ban this, it would also
  • 00:32:33
    be very um helpful for the political. I
  • 00:32:36
    guess that would make sense. Yeah. It
  • 00:32:37
    would be very very helpful if you could
  • 00:32:40
    ban the people that disagree with you. I
  • 00:32:42
    I I think that's true. Absolutely.
  • 00:32:45
    Culture. I think except that if you ban
  • 00:32:48
    it and even by by demonizing um the AFD
  • 00:32:53
    uh in this way as I say very popular
  • 00:32:56
    political party here in Germany don't
  • 00:33:00
    you run the risk of disenfranchising
  • 00:33:02
    that 24% of voters and further dividing
  • 00:33:07
    German society true
  • 00:33:10
    well yes and no I mean the division also
  • 00:33:12
    comes from this um rhetoric I think and
  • 00:33:17
    also as a constitutional lawyer I I have
  • 00:33:20
    to look at the instruments that the
  • 00:33:23
    fathers and mothers of our basic law
  • 00:33:25
    gave us to protect
  • 00:33:29
    what so because the book says we have to
  • 00:33:32
    do it then we have to do
  • 00:33:34
    it well [ __ ] the
  • 00:33:39
    book what's this argument to the
  • 00:33:41
    authority of people who are
  • 00:33:44
    head. What the [ __ ] is that?
  • 00:33:49
    The constitution. I mean, you can see in
  • 00:33:51
    other countries what happens if you
  • 00:33:53
    don't stop uh those anti-constitutional
  • 00:33:57
    movements um at an early stage already.
  • 00:34:00
    25% is far too much. You should have
  • 00:34:04
    started earlier trying to ban and to
  • 00:34:06
    stop the party. Um you got to admire I
  • 00:34:10
    mean she just comes out and says it. I
  • 00:34:12
    agree. It's it's it's also a political
  • 00:34:14
    problem and of course all the political
  • 00:34:17
    parties u um have to mask off work
  • 00:34:21
    together to to try to help uh solve
  • 00:34:24
    problems so that this feeling of being
  • 00:34:27
    left behind and other um serious issues
  • 00:34:30
    are also solved politically. That's
  • 00:34:32
    that's certainly true also. Thank you so
  • 00:34:34
    much for uh talking us through that so
  • 00:34:36
    clearly. Well, there it is. uh you know
  • 00:34:38
    they need to they she wants the ban to
  • 00:34:40
    party and uh it's hard to do
  • 00:34:42
    systematically but they want to do it
  • 00:34:44
    and they should have done it earlier.
  • 00:34:46
    Okay. Uh well there it is. That's pretty
  • 00:34:48
    simple. Professor Dr. Anaon Stanberg uh
  • 00:34:52
    from Tria University. Thank you. Thank
  • 00:34:55
    you. Well this decision has already
  • 00:34:58
    become an international issue certainly
  • 00:35:00
    for the Trump administration. The AfD's
  • 00:35:03
    problems caught the attention of US
  • 00:35:05
    Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Posting
  • 00:35:07
    on X, he criticized the broader
  • 00:35:10
    surveillance powers granted to German
  • 00:35:12
    authorities. That's not democracy, he
  • 00:35:14
    wrote. It's tyranny in disguise. Didn't
  • 00:35:16
    Obama do this, too?
  • 00:35:19
    Is truly extremist is not the popular
  • 00:35:21
    AFD, but rather the establishment's
  • 00:35:23
    deadly open border immigration policies
  • 00:35:26
    that the AFD opposes. Secretary Rubio
  • 00:35:29
    ended the post by saying Germany should
  • 00:35:31
    reverse course. I do think that the like
  • 00:35:35
    again this is an outsers's perspective
  • 00:35:37
    so I could be ignorant and I probably am
  • 00:35:40
    in some cases. It seems to me like the
  • 00:35:44
    prime like main deciding factor is
  • 00:35:48
    immigration. It's mass migration and
  • 00:35:51
    people think it's too many [ __ ] it's
  • 00:35:53
    too many migrants. Way too [ __ ]
  • 00:35:57
    many. That's it. Yeah, that's the main
  • 00:35:59
    one. Straight to our political
  • 00:36:00
    correspondent Simon Young. Welcome,
  • 00:36:02
    Simon. What does this security service
  • 00:36:04
    designation mean for the AFD? It means
  • 00:36:07
    they get spied on constantly. And so,
  • 00:36:10
    uh, anyway, the FD is the most popular
  • 00:36:12
    party in Germany and by far, uh, the
  • 00:36:15
    most representative of East Germany.
  • 00:36:16
    Now, the bureaucrats tried to destroy
  • 00:36:18
    it. The West turned down, uh, tore down
  • 00:36:20
    the Berlin Wall together and now it's
  • 00:36:22
    been rebuilt, not by Soviets or
  • 00:36:23
    Russians, but by the German
  • 00:36:24
    establishment. Well, there it is. Um,
  • 00:36:27
    that's pretty disappointing to see. I'm
  • 00:36:29
    kind of surprised. Why are they
  • 00:36:30
    importing non-citizens into western
  • 00:36:32
    countries? Um I I I don't know really
  • 00:36:34
    what their reasoning is or why they're
  • 00:36:36
    doing it. I mean it doesn't it doesn't
  • 00:36:38
    does it really matter why. I mean who
  • 00:36:39
    cares why um if people don't want them
  • 00:36:42
    there? And in my opinion I I think that
  • 00:36:45
    if you're bringing in a bunch of people
  • 00:36:48
    why is is it necessary for Germany that
  • 00:36:51
    they are mass importing migrants from
  • 00:36:54
    second and third world countries into
  • 00:36:56
    Germany at a high rate? Is it like,
  • 00:36:58
    okay, if if we don't do this, Germany's
  • 00:37:00
    going to fall apart. I mean, I I don't
  • 00:37:02
    really think so, right? And so, it seems
  • 00:37:05
    like such a ridiculous thing to say.
  • 00:37:07
    Yeah. I had no idea that they actually
  • 00:37:08
    just gave their spy agency powers to
  • 00:37:10
    just like [ __ ] like spy on them.
  • 00:37:14
    Okay. Um, wow. Oh, Jesus. I've always
  • 00:37:18
    thought that like I I think that there's
  • 00:37:20
    a huge problem in like Europe in general
  • 00:37:24
    where I I I just I think that being able
  • 00:37:28
    to talk about ideas, I think they're so
  • 00:37:30
    afraid of having something like World
  • 00:37:32
    War II happening again that they are
  • 00:37:35
    creating rules that will, I think,
  • 00:37:37
    inevitably lead to the rise of a new
  • 00:37:39
    party that will cause something like
  • 00:37:41
    World War II to happen again. Because
  • 00:37:44
    once enough people feel like their
  • 00:37:46
    voices aren't being heard and they're
  • 00:37:48
    being disenfranchised, you have to keep
  • 00:37:49
    in mind like the Nazi party um was not
  • 00:37:52
    the most popular party in Germany when
  • 00:37:54
    it when it took over as far as I know.
  • 00:37:56
    It was actually not super popular at
  • 00:37:58
    all. And so the idea that you need to
  • 00:38:00
    have a majority for this to happen like
  • 00:38:03
    it was it like what 10 15% something
  • 00:38:05
    like that? I don't remember. They're
  • 00:38:06
    they're they're 39%. I don't remember
  • 00:38:08
    exactly. They want Yeah, they only had
  • 00:38:10
    32 vote. 32%. Yeah. So, I mean, I think
  • 00:38:13
    that's pretty is 39. Okay. Uh, I might
  • 00:38:15
    have been thinking about like I think
  • 00:38:16
    the first time Hitler tried to like run
  • 00:38:18
    or something. I could be wrong. So, uh,
  • 00:38:20
    yeah, they were giga popular. Well, I
  • 00:38:22
    think that a lot of times like things
  • 00:38:23
    like this become very popular because if
  • 00:38:26
    you don't like them, you're like
  • 00:38:27
    arrested, right? Like it's like the
  • 00:38:29
    Houthis for example. Like you can't I
  • 00:38:31
    don't think you can accurately judge
  • 00:38:33
    support for Vladimir Putin, uh the the
  • 00:38:35
    the CCP, um [ __ ] uh the Nazi parties,
  • 00:38:40
    uh the uh Houthies, the Hamas, you can't
  • 00:38:43
    accurately judge support for them. North
  • 00:38:46
    Korea. Exactly. Because not supporting
  • 00:38:49
    them can result in death. And so like,
  • 00:38:51
    oh wow, people aren't signing up to get
  • 00:38:53
    killed for thinking that they they don't
  • 00:38:55
    like something. Okay, what a surprise.
  • 00:38:57
    So yeah, I don't know how you can say
  • 00:38:59
    this when Trump is actively threatening
  • 00:39:01
    the sovereignty of allied
  • 00:39:03
    nations. Meanwhile, Trump doesn't
  • 00:39:05
    discount conquering green uh Greenland
  • 00:39:07
    and Panama.
  • 00:39:09
    Okay. Well, um here's what my opinion is
  • 00:39:12
    on that. I I'll just give you a straight
  • 00:39:14
    flatout opinion. I don't [ __ ] want
  • 00:39:16
    Greenland in the US, and I don't [ __ ]
  • 00:39:18
    want Panama in the US, and I don't
  • 00:39:19
    [ __ ] want Canada in the US. I don't
  • 00:39:22
    want them in there. I don't want to have
  • 00:39:23
    a war. I don't want to bring them in. I
  • 00:39:25
    don't want them voting in our elections.
  • 00:39:26
    I don't want them to have anything to
  • 00:39:27
    [ __ ] do with us, right? I think we
  • 00:39:29
    can trade with them. They can do their
  • 00:39:30
    own thing. We can do our own thing. We
  • 00:39:32
    can be separate. That's what my opinion
  • 00:39:34
    is. And I don't want Trump to try to
  • 00:39:36
    take them over and make them a state. I
  • 00:39:38
    meme about it. It's funny to talk about
  • 00:39:40
    because it is I I think it's funny, but
  • 00:39:43
    my actual personal material support for
  • 00:39:46
    it is literally
  • 00:39:48
    zero. Like that's it. I I really talk
  • 00:39:51
    about my own opinions on these topics
  • 00:39:52
    because like actually that's probably
  • 00:39:54
    not true. I do sometimes, but um mainly
  • 00:39:56
    I just try to understand why people are
  • 00:39:58
    thinking something and why people
  • 00:39:59
    believe something, right? And so yeah,
  • 00:40:01
    that's how I see it. I'm from Canada and
  • 00:40:04
    I wish I was in the USA. I'm sure
  • 00:40:06
    there's a lot of people in Canada that I
  • 00:40:07
    think would be great Americans, but
  • 00:40:09
    overall, um I think Canada has its own
  • 00:40:12
    right to sovereignty and I don't want to
  • 00:40:13
    infringe on that and I don't think
  • 00:40:15
    that's a good use of our resources,
  • 00:40:17
    time, or uh effort. Uh it's just simply
  • 00:40:19
    not. We have 50,000 other problems in
  • 00:40:21
    the world. Why are we thinking about
  • 00:40:23
    Canada? It's ridiculous. So, yeah. Uh,
  • 00:40:27
    Greenland wouldn't be a state. Yeah. Do
  • 00:40:28
    you hear about the new crime uh Canadian
  • 00:40:30
    prime minister? Yeah, I saw that guy.
  • 00:40:32
    And, uh, anyway, let's see if there's
  • 00:40:34
    any more information about this. Uh, I
  • 00:40:36
    don't know if there's any new, uh, new
  • 00:40:37
    information at all about this, but uh,
  • 00:40:39
    it looks like, yeah, I in general, like
  • 00:40:43
    I don't necessarily support the AFD
  • 00:40:46
    party. I don't know enough about them to
  • 00:40:47
    really say that. But what I do support
  • 00:40:49
    is that I do think this mass migration
  • 00:40:52
    stuff is really
  • 00:40:53
    bad. I do. Everything that I see about
  • 00:40:56
    it, everything that I've read about it,
  • 00:40:58
    the amount of coverage that I've seen
  • 00:40:59
    about the mass migration, it has been
  • 00:41:02
    almost universally negative in a way
  • 00:41:04
    that I can't see how people would
  • 00:41:06
    support. But I think the reason why a
  • 00:41:08
    lot of people support the mass
  • 00:41:09
    migrations, I'm going to be honest, is
  • 00:41:11
    because they're afraid not to. I think
  • 00:41:14
    that a lot of people are afraid to not
  • 00:41:15
    say we don't want this to happen because
  • 00:41:18
    they don't want to be painted as a
  • 00:41:20
    racist or a Nazi or anything like that.
  • 00:41:22
    And that's the reason why these people
  • 00:41:24
    are afraid of that overton window
  • 00:41:26
    shifting is that the moment that the
  • 00:41:28
    overton window shifts and people are
  • 00:41:30
    able to express those viewpoints. It's
  • 00:41:32
    going to be exactly what happened with
  • 00:41:34
    trans people here in the US where as
  • 00:41:36
    soon as you were able to say anything
  • 00:41:38
    negative about trans, their popularity
  • 00:41:40
    and the support went into the [ __ ]
  • 00:41:43
    And the only reason that it had that
  • 00:41:45
    much support is because people were
  • 00:41:46
    afraid to criticize it. Yeah. It
  • 00:41:48
    immediately crumbles. Yeah. Or maybe go
  • 00:41:50
    to jail. Yeah. Maybe even go to jail for
  • 00:41:51
    the speech. Exactly. Yeah, cuz over
  • 00:41:53
    there you go to jail if you say
  • 00:41:55
    something like that. It's still being
  • 00:41:56
    discussed or we're getting [ __ ] in the
  • 00:41:57
    ass by the rich price scouting uh us
  • 00:41:59
    into oblivion. Uh we're just being disc
  • 00:42:02
    Yeah, I I think that's true. Uh so like
  • 00:42:04
    you're saying that like rich people
  • 00:42:05
    flood the country with illegals in order
  • 00:42:07
    to over complicate things and make it to
  • 00:42:09
    where like the people fight amongst each
  • 00:42:11
    other with the migrants. Yeah, I think
  • 00:42:12
    that's a great point. I think you're
  • 00:42:14
    right. But um I also think that two
  • 00:42:16
    things can be a problem at the same
  • 00:42:17
    time. Like I'm against that and I'm also
  • 00:42:20
    against those people too.
  • 00:42:22
    So yeah, it's a distraction. Yeah, in
  • 00:42:24
    some
  • 00:42:25
    cases. Would you say the tighter
  • 00:42:27
    restrictions on patriotic movements in
  • 00:42:29
    Europe causes the nationalism of
  • 00:42:31
    European countries to be more extreme
  • 00:42:32
    than American nationalism? Yes, I do
  • 00:42:35
    think so. And I think that's one of the
  • 00:42:37
    reasons is that when you when you create
  • 00:42:39
    a place where and I've seen this happen
  • 00:42:41
    like we see this happen with CO I think
  • 00:42:43
    CO's a really great example of this is
  • 00:42:45
    that the resounding narrative about CO
  • 00:42:48
    right now is that CO was [ __ ] and
  • 00:42:50
    the way the government handled CO was
  • 00:42:52
    also [ __ ] And so what happened now
  • 00:42:54
    is that because so many people believe
  • 00:42:57
    that and I think that it would have
  • 00:42:59
    never happened that way if the
  • 00:43:00
    government didn't try to exercise such
  • 00:43:02
    tight control over the communication
  • 00:43:04
    about CO because after they started
  • 00:43:06
    really really tightening down on what
  • 00:43:08
    you can and can't talk about with CO
  • 00:43:10
    then people really started getting upset
  • 00:43:12
    and that pushed them and alienated them
  • 00:43:15
    and radicalized them away. And so as
  • 00:43:18
    soon as you make it to where like a
  • 00:43:19
    certain viewpoint or opinion isn't
  • 00:43:21
    possible, like I think also vaccines is
  • 00:43:23
    a great example of this too, like
  • 00:43:25
    there's always been an antivax movement
  • 00:43:27
    ever since like 200 maybe 8 or so. But
  • 00:43:30
    now it's been like massively multiplied
  • 00:43:32
    or tell us thanks for 10 subs, man. I
  • 00:43:34
    appreciate it. And uh it's been
  • 00:43:35
    massively multiplied by the fact that
  • 00:43:37
    you have the COVID vaccine that's being
  • 00:43:40
    thrown in the same bucket as the polio
  • 00:43:41
    vaccine. And I think the COVID vaccine
  • 00:43:44
    did a tremendous amount of damage to
  • 00:43:46
    people's trust in vaccines as a
  • 00:43:48
    wholesale product. And now you have
  • 00:43:50
    people like RFK, which I don't agree
  • 00:43:52
    with RFK on a lot of things. There are
  • 00:43:54
    some things I really agree with them on,
  • 00:43:55
    right? But some things I don't. Vaccines
  • 00:43:58
    are one of them. I think that vaccines
  • 00:43:59
    exist on a spectrum and many of them are
  • 00:44:01
    extremely safe and you shouldn't throw
  • 00:44:03
    the baby out with the bathwater. Just
  • 00:44:05
    because the mRNA COVID vaccine might be
  • 00:44:08
    unsafe doesn't mean that the measles or
  • 00:44:10
    the whooping cough or the polio vaccine
  • 00:44:12
    is unsafe, right? That's just common
  • 00:44:14
    sense. I think that and by the way, I
  • 00:44:16
    think that's what most people think,
  • 00:44:17
    right? And so anyway, um did it destroy
  • 00:44:21
    their trust too? It did. It it massively
  • 00:44:23
    destroyed their trust. And so because
  • 00:44:25
    people couldn't speak out against co I
  • 00:44:28
    think now the overreaction and then
  • 00:44:30
    people being against all vaccines uh in
  • 00:44:33
    general I think it is a direct again
  • 00:44:35
    it's kind of like what I said about that
  • 00:44:36
    Shiloh girl right and like the Carmelo
  • 00:44:38
    Anthony like the fundraisers if Carmelo
  • 00:44:41
    Anthony had never done a G send to go
  • 00:44:43
    then that Shiloh fundraiser would not
  • 00:44:45
    exist right now. It was a direct and
  • 00:44:48
    proportional response to the fact that a
  • 00:44:51
    literal murderer made over half a
  • 00:44:53
    million dollars for people supporting
  • 00:44:55
    his family. It's a counter. Yeah,
  • 00:44:58
    exactly. Uh RFK is not against all
  • 00:45:00
    vaccines. You just watch his Dr. Phil
  • 00:45:02
    interview. Yeah, it's really weird. I
  • 00:45:04
    hear that he is and that he isn't. Uh if
  • 00:45:06
    I'm misrepresenting his positions, I
  • 00:45:08
    apologize, but um that's just generally
  • 00:45:11
    what my understanding is. He said he
  • 00:45:13
    isn't. Yeah. Well, either way, there are
  • 00:45:15
    people that are. So, I'm just really
  • 00:45:18
    using RFK as an example of a person
  • 00:45:20
    who's leading that movement. And people
  • 00:45:22
    in that movement do believe uh are
  • 00:45:24
    against all vaccines. Definitely. Why
  • 00:45:26
    would anyone trust vaccines now? Well,
  • 00:45:28
    because the the way that the government
  • 00:45:30
    handled the COVID vaccine should not be
  • 00:45:32
    used as a um uh as a benchmark for how
  • 00:45:36
    all vaccines should be looked at in the
  • 00:45:37
    future, right? I mean, that's how I see
  • 00:45:39
    it. But yeah, this is pretty [ __ ]
  • 00:45:41
    crazy that they actually just banned the
  • 00:45:42
    party. AFD is right-wing soy banned.
  • 00:45:45
    Also, Germany where we spend all our
  • 00:45:46
    money and weapons to the guys with Nazi
  • 00:45:47
    tattoos and symbols. Oh, that's
  • 00:45:49
    obviously [ __ ] the uh that other
  • 00:45:51
    place. And uh wow. And uh moves on with
  • 00:45:55
    Democratic Democratic officials JD Vance
  • 00:45:57
    in Munich by citing AFD as an example of
  • 00:45:59
    Germany respecting free speech. Now
  • 00:46:01
    they're labeling AFD as extremist and
  • 00:46:03
    then trying to ban them. I guess Vance
  • 00:46:04
    was right. Yeah, of course he was.
  • 00:46:06
    That's just it. Uh they did not ban the
  • 00:46:08
    party fully. Well, of course they
  • 00:46:10
    didn't. No, that there's a process to
  • 00:46:13
    doing this, right? So, at first you
  • 00:46:16
    basically make it to where they uh are
  • 00:46:18
    being surveyed a lot and then after you
  • 00:46:20
    survey them all the time, then you
  • 00:46:22
    transition to creating sanctions on them
  • 00:46:24
    and then after the sanctions are on them
  • 00:46:26
    for a while, then you ban them. It takes
  • 00:46:28
    time. Yeah, it's it takes time to boil a
  • 00:46:30
    frog. They're not going to just
  • 00:46:32
    instantly ban this guy uh you know or
  • 00:46:34
    ban his party like one
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  • Extremismus
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