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概要

TLDRLa vidéo "Scammer Payback" met en avant diverses arnaques en ligne modernes, expliquant comment les escrocs cherchent à exploiter les victimes à travers des tactiques telles que le hameçonnage, l'utilisation de cartes-cadeaux ou encore la prise de contrôle à distance des appareils. Les indicateurs courants d'une arnaque incluent des demandes urgentes pour effectuer des transactions financières rapides et l'accès à distance à vos appareils. Les arnaques sont souvent exécutées via des techniques de social engineering et peuvent viser plusieurs plateformes de médias sociaux, avec Facebook mentionné comme l'une des plus ciblées. Il est conseillé de ne jamais laisser les escrocs accéder à vos appareils réels, d'éviter de répondre à leurs messages, et d'utiliser des applications d'authentification plutôt que des SMS pour la sécurité accrue. Le document aborde comment "Scammer Payback" met en place des environnements virtuels pour déjouer les pièges des escrocs tout en récupérant des informations pour aider les autorités. Les escrocs usent souvent de numéros de téléphone falsifiés et de réseaux de blanchiment d'argent sophistiqués pour mener à bien leurs opérations.

収穫

  • 🚩 Signaux d'alerte : demandes urgentes d'achats de cartes-cadeaux ou d'argent liquide.
  • 🖥 Ne pas permettre l'accès à distance à vos appareils.
  • 🎭 "Scammer Payback" utilise l'escroquerie inversée pour obtenir des informations.
  • 📱 Facebook est particulièrement visé par les escrocs.
  • 💳 L'authentification à deux facteurs via application est plus sécurisée.
  • 🕵️ Les escrocs emploient le clônage vocal et les usurpations d'identité.
  • 🌐 Les arnaques peuvent inclure les fausses ventes sur Marketplace.
  • 🚫 Ne jamais répondre aux messages d'escroquerie, même par colère.
  • 🏦 Les escrocs usent de méthodes de blanchiment comme Havala.
  • 👥 Existence d'organisations criminelles derrière les escroqueries.

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  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Perogi de Scammer Payback sur YouTube discute de la nature des escroqueries en ligne, notamment les signaux d'alerte, comme la pression à acheter des cartes cadeaux rapidement ou à envoyer de l'argent par Cash App. Il met en garde contre le fait de laisser quelqu'un contrôler à distance son ordinateur et explique comment les escrocs lavent l'argent via des cartes cadeaux.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Perogi explique pourquoi les escrocs demandent souvent des cartes cadeaux, suivi d'une discussion sur les divers types d’escroqueries en ligne, comme les arnaques amoureuses où les victimes croient aider des célébrités. Il décrit comment il renverse les situations en accédant aux systèmes des escrocs pour protéger les victimes potentielles.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Perogi partage des anecdotes sur des méthodes créatives pour perturber les escrocs, comme manipuler leur accès à son système et les piéger avec des techniques de voix. Il révèle qu'il a travaillé pour exposer un expéditeur d'emails frauduleux en modifiant les emails pour avertir les destinataires du scam.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Perogi aborde la sécurité personnelle pour ceux qui souhaitent s’engager dans le "scam baiting" et conseille de ne jamais utiliser son ordinateur ou numéro de téléphone personnel. Il met en garde contre les messages textes d'arnaque et souligne l’importance de ne pas répondre, car cela incite à davantage d’escroqueries.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:26:57

    Perogi discute des modes opératoires plus larges des centres d’appels d’escroquerie, qui changent souvent de méthode pour éviter d'être découverts. Il couvre aussi le rôle des mules de l'argent aux États-Unis et l’implication du crime organisé à l’échelle internationale, notant la difficulté pour les autorités de démanteler ces réseaux de manière efficace.

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ビデオQ&A

  • Quels sont les signes révélateurs d'une escroquerie ?

    L'urgence à agir rapidement, comme acheter des cartes-cadeaux ou envoyer de l'argent via des applications.

  • Pourquoi les escrocs demandent souvent des cartes-cadeaux ?

    C'est une méthode rapide et anonyme pour qu'ils reçoivent de l'argent des victimes.

  • Quels types d'escroqueries en ligne existent ?

    Escroqueries au support technique, arnaques amoureuses, et hameçonnage.

  • Les escrocs peuvent-ils suivre votre téléphone si vous répondez à un texto de fraude ?

    Non, les escrocs typiques n'ont pas cette capacité.

  • Quelles astuces utilise "Scammer Payback" pour attirer les escrocs ?

    Exécution de logiciels dans des environnements virtuels pour susciter l'intérêt des escrocs.

  • Que cherchent à accomplir les textes de fraude aléatoires ?

    Ils cherchent activement des données ou de l'argent en se faisant passer pour des entreprises connues.

  • Comment les escrocs usurpent-ils les numéros de téléphone ?

    Ils utilisent souvent des logiciels pour falsifier les numéros de téléphone.

  • Comment "Scammer Payback" accède-t-il aux machines des escrocs ?

    Il utilise une combinaison de logiciels et de stratégies pour infiltrer les systèmes des escrocs.

  • Quel est le moyen le plus sûr d'utiliser l'authentification à deux facteurs ?

    Il est préférable d'utiliser une passerelle d'authentification application mobile.

  • Qu'est-ce que le processus Havala utilisé par les escrocs ?

    Collecte, vérification et transfert entre différents systèmes pour tromper les victimes.

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    he logs in these us Cloud servers to be
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    his location from his computer he had a
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    python script that was sending these
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    thousands every day and we edited the
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    realized that he had gotten got and he
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    to all these victims it was a real fun
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    people before some of them are really
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    physical address you name it it's all
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    Which social media has the most scammers
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    enlightened me I'll probably say
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    Facebook there's a lot of bots on
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    Facebook and scammers and they target
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    specific groups I've seen a lot of
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    religious groups that donate money to
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    certain causes they'll go in there and
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    they'll start seeing hey this person's
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    given $500 to this cause I'm going to
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    reach out to them and try to scam them
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    it doesn't matter if you're on Instagram
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    track your phone I don't think that's
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    the case scammers are not that
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    sophisticated they are mass messaging
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    people and then if somebody's actually
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    willing to respond then they'll start
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    running their scam so it's not like
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    somebody sitting on a phone on the other
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    side so you're really not getting back
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    at anybody by cussing them out or
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    anything like that just don't respond
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    report it as junk and block it also
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    UPS tracking number and those are deadly
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    to your phone it's a fishing attack and
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    they'll get you to click on something
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    and go to Safari or if you're on a Droid
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    which is more susceptible to malware on
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    mobile devices you you might click on
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    that link and it could download an app
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    onto your phone if they know it's a live
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    somebody's responded and then the next
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    if you want more spam
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    respond that's actually the truth by the
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    receive any order ID number sir all
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    18901 what is the most absurd scam call
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    grandma characters he will need to take
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    his grandmother viian on a trip to his
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    ceremony with me it's weird when you're
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    right now I am kissing you it's just
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    it's a special moment I guess he had me
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    r reveal myself I pulled down my mask
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    and it was me are you really are you a
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    female they're playing a character
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    they're playing a Microsoft rep and now
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    he's getting married to some Grandma but
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    it's really a guy blue hair on the other
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    payback what software do you use to
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    actually don't use software I've got a
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    hardware device that I use when I talk
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    with these scammers but I think it'd be
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    easier to show you the device and all
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    the voices that we do on these scam
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    calls let's
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    go here is my scam bait setup this is
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    everything that I use when I'm messing
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    become anybody that I want to with a few
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    clicks if I want to change my voice
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    voice into becoming a grandma Vivian
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    Rogers I can do that Vivian Rogers is uh
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    just a blend of my grandma my mom and I
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    that takes these scammers on a crazy
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    trip all crazy characters and
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    shenanigans aside these tactics allow me
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    to distract the scammers so that I can
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    get into their
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    their number to a specific number
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    scammers can use specific software to
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    spoof their phone numbers they could
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    pretend to be the FBI they could pretend
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    to be your best friend they could
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    pretend to be you never believe just
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    because somebody calls you pretending to
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    be XYZ person that it's actually them
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    hang up the phone and call the phone
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    number back back because if a scammer
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    spoofs a number they can you make it
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    look like they're calling from the
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    also secure my wallet from these
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    scammers this is a red flag to me I
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    they go into the comment section they go
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    into tweets and they actually write this
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    into my crypto account and started to
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    take money how do I get my money back
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    and then from there somebody will
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    respond and say hey you need to reach
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    genuinely trying to figure out how do I
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    get my money back they'll run across
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    this and they'll think oh they recommend
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    this person I'll go reach out to them
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    crypto is supposed to be very secure if
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    suggest to not deal with it there are
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    ways to have physical key codes and
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    phrases on a physical device a lot of
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    people want the Simplicity of having
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    everything in a computer or having
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    everything in the cloud or saving
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    password here or there there's something
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    to be said about having physical
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    security if you've got a bajillion
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    dollars in Bitcoin put those codes onto
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    a physical device because it's another
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    step that they would need to be able to
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    access your stuff at pink Eagle says at
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    people who work at scam call centers do
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    they pay enough I would say absolutely
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    no if you look at the culture in India
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    there's a lot of unemployment especially
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    when the pandemic hit you have these
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    kids that are doing everything that they
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    can to pay for their families for their
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    mom their dad their brothers and sisters
  • 00:10:27
    one of the things we do when we are
  • 00:10:28
    monitoring SC scammers as we download
  • 00:10:30
    their files and a lot of scammers will
  • 00:10:32
    host financial information on their
  • 00:10:34
    computer so if you get a manager's
  • 00:10:35
    computer it's like a gold mine one of
  • 00:10:37
    the call centers we were monitoring they
  • 00:10:39
    were making almost a million dollar up
  • 00:10:41
    to a million dollars a month and their
  • 00:10:42
    salaries equaled up to about $7,500 for
  • 00:10:45
    almost 100 scammers so you look at this
  • 00:10:47
    and who's really making the money it's
  • 00:10:48
    not XYZ that you're talking to on the
  • 00:10:51
    phone it's the boss scammer a that's on
  • 00:10:54
    the phone with a victim and runs the
  • 00:10:55
    scam they might get a percentage let's
  • 00:10:57
    just say 10% of a scam based in Indian
  • 00:10:59
    rupees their salaries are so tiny it's
  • 00:11:01
    hard to live off of at mojack Marine
  • 00:11:05
    says I have some very interesting
  • 00:11:06
    scammers that have been clicking like on
  • 00:11:07
    all my tweets all day what do you think
  • 00:11:09
    that they are trying to accomplish how
  • 00:11:11
    do these creeps make any money there's
  • 00:11:13
    these types of scams where they're Bots
  • 00:11:15
    that are mass-producing these likes and
  • 00:11:17
    comments and trying to get you to engage
  • 00:11:19
    with them they'll pretend to be even
  • 00:11:21
    like a love interest or romantic
  • 00:11:22
    interest and they'll get you to send
  • 00:11:24
    compromising photos for instance and
  • 00:11:26
    they're recording this they're taking
  • 00:11:28
    pictures and video they're saying if you
  • 00:11:30
    don't give me money I will release this
  • 00:11:32
    and it's really one of the most
  • 00:11:34
    disturbing types of scams this actually
  • 00:11:36
    happens a lot to teenagers as well and
  • 00:11:39
    there's been a lot of mental health
  • 00:11:40
    problems from these types of scams
  • 00:11:42
    imagine a teenager that has no money and
  • 00:11:44
    they think that they have no future
  • 00:11:46
    because somebody took a picture of them
  • 00:11:49
    and they're going to use it against them
  • 00:11:50
    it's very sad so it goes way past just
  • 00:11:52
    like these idiot Bots and sextortion
  • 00:11:55
    scams are really really terrible these
  • 00:11:58
    scammers will then then start to push
  • 00:12:00
    like you need to end your life you need
  • 00:12:02
    to do this you need to do that they're
  • 00:12:03
    cruel very cruel it really pisses me off
  • 00:12:05
    honestly there actually were some
  • 00:12:07
    scammers in Nigeria that got extradited
  • 00:12:09
    to the United States because of a
  • 00:12:11
    teenager that lost his life because of a
  • 00:12:13
    extortion scam so there was Justice for
  • 00:12:15
    that teenager at Lazy nerd tweets what
  • 00:12:18
    are the programs that you use we use a
  • 00:12:20
    VPN to protect our internet traffic we
  • 00:12:22
    also use virtualization software so
  • 00:12:25
    VMware we've used virtual box in the
  • 00:12:27
    past as well to hide our systems in
  • 00:12:29
    virtual environment we have fake bank
  • 00:12:31
    accounts we can use these fake Banks and
  • 00:12:33
    we can change the dollar amounts and all
  • 00:12:35
    that just to make sure that the scammer
  • 00:12:37
    thinks that we're an actual victim at
  • 00:12:39
    CER says why do scam callers keep
  • 00:12:41
    calling me and then say nothing I'm
  • 00:12:43
    listening give me your pitch I'm here
  • 00:12:45
    for it I think that they're just trying
  • 00:12:46
    to see if somebody's there who is on the
  • 00:12:48
    other line also with the increase in
  • 00:12:51
    artificial intelligence that's happening
  • 00:12:52
    they could just be recording your voice
  • 00:12:54
    so they want somebody that's talking to
  • 00:12:56
    them so they can get a sample and use
  • 00:12:58
    that voice to scam another person so you
  • 00:12:59
    might actually be helping out scammers
  • 00:13:02
    if you pick up the phone and start
  • 00:13:03
    talking so I would advise against it at
  • 00:13:05
    D Kelly FCU what are some common scams
  • 00:13:09
    targeting seniors and how do they occur
  • 00:13:11
    I remember uh getting a phone call
  • 00:13:13
    because my grandmother had almost been
  • 00:13:14
    scammed and it's the typical Grandma
  • 00:13:17
    scam they'll get data from data Brokers
  • 00:13:19
    on elderly people in a certain area and
  • 00:13:21
    they'll call up the victim they call up
  • 00:13:23
    my grandma and she's in her 90s and and
  • 00:13:25
    they say your grandson is in trouble and
  • 00:13:27
    they need money to either get get out of
  • 00:13:29
    prison or out of the hospital and these
  • 00:13:31
    are actually scammers in the US that are
  • 00:13:32
    carrying out these scams which is pretty
  • 00:13:34
    scary they were going to have her go to
  • 00:13:36
    the bank use her debit card and get out
  • 00:13:38
    10 or $15,000 and the scariest part was
  • 00:13:41
    somebody was actually going to drive to
  • 00:13:42
    her house they'll pick up this money and
  • 00:13:44
    then the money's gone so thankfully my
  • 00:13:46
    aunt was there at the house at the time
  • 00:13:48
    grocery shopping so she had the debit
  • 00:13:50
    card and no money was lost but this is
  • 00:13:52
    one of the things they work upon is the
  • 00:13:53
    fear of the grandparent another one on
  • 00:13:55
    top of the grandma scam that's gotten a
  • 00:13:57
    little bit more sophisticated the
  • 00:13:58
    scammers are using voice changing
  • 00:14:00
    technology artificial intelligence they
  • 00:14:02
    will take a video of a child's uh social
  • 00:14:06
    media account for instance and they can
  • 00:14:08
    actually clone that have the grandchild
  • 00:14:11
    call in and say hey I'm in trouble
  • 00:14:12
    please but it's not a real person it's a
  • 00:14:14
    you know it's a voice clone they're
  • 00:14:16
    doing deep fakes of family members
  • 00:14:18
    celebrities they've even done deep fakes
  • 00:14:20
    of myself we've seen two of them your
  • 00:14:22
    case is a huge financial case of scam
  • 00:14:24
    and I will need to hand it over to the
  • 00:14:26
    federal anti-cam agency not that they're
  • 00:14:28
    like amazing
  • 00:14:29
    but if you look for it to be me you
  • 00:14:31
    might think it's me actually this next
  • 00:14:32
    one is from Kora and it says how do scam
  • 00:14:35
    call centers work if they take up the
  • 00:14:37
    entire Office Buildings aren't they
  • 00:14:39
    making their presence obvious and how
  • 00:14:41
    can they not get caught there's been big
  • 00:14:43
    buildings that we've highlighted before
  • 00:14:44
    talked away on one of the floors could
  • 00:14:46
    be one of these scam call centers a lot
  • 00:14:48
    of these scammers especially the the
  • 00:14:50
    bosses they will go create side
  • 00:14:51
    businesses with that dirty money to make
  • 00:14:53
    it look as if they created a legitimate
  • 00:14:55
    company there's there's so many eyeballs
  • 00:14:57
    on the scam call center industry I don't
  • 00:14:59
    think there's going to be these hugee
  • 00:15:00
    huge call centers anymore they're moving
  • 00:15:02
    more towards these they call them safe
  • 00:15:05
    houses where you can have a call center
  • 00:15:07
    group that's got 100 scammers in it but
  • 00:15:09
    they're in five different locations
  • 00:15:10
    because if one location gets hit then
  • 00:15:12
    the other one's shut down not all
  • 00:15:13
    scammers are in India we've seen a lot
  • 00:15:15
    of different call centers opening up in
  • 00:15:18
    different parts of Asia Eastern Europe
  • 00:15:20
    and even like Pakistan for instance and
  • 00:15:22
    we've run across political figures tied
  • 00:15:24
    to these scam groups and even in the
  • 00:15:26
    United States from a moneya laundering
  • 00:15:28
    standpoint really big organized crime
  • 00:15:30
    that are working with these call centers
  • 00:15:31
    overseas it gets pretty serious once you
  • 00:15:33
    start to follow the money Trail at it me
  • 00:15:36
    chop says scammer payback I just spent
  • 00:15:38
    two hours scam baiting a guy and got a
  • 00:15:40
    money MU address not sure what to do
  • 00:15:41
    with it can you help first off good job
  • 00:15:44
    one thing people ask me a lot are what
  • 00:15:45
    are these money mules what is havala
  • 00:15:47
    havala is a process that the scammers in
  • 00:15:50
    India use to transfer money and they do
  • 00:15:52
    this money laundering technique so that
  • 00:15:54
    they don't get caught by authorities it
  • 00:15:55
    could be a gift card it could be a wire
  • 00:15:57
    transfer it could be Bitcoin it could
  • 00:15:59
    even be I kid you not having the victim
  • 00:16:01
    take cash and putting it inside of a box
  • 00:16:04
    and shipping it to somebody in the
  • 00:16:05
    United States these addresses are really
  • 00:16:07
    important because we can give them to
  • 00:16:08
    law enforcement and they can find one of
  • 00:16:10
    three things a victim on the other side
  • 00:16:12
    that's being coerced into doing money
  • 00:16:14
    laundering on behalf of the scammers an
  • 00:16:16
    actual criminal that is collecting this
  • 00:16:18
    package that's tied to a big crime
  • 00:16:20
    organization or the third could actually
  • 00:16:22
    be additional packages so we found where
  • 00:16:24
    one money meal address could lead to 10
  • 00:16:27
    packages that have actual cash them
  • 00:16:29
    these money mule crime organizations are
  • 00:16:31
    actually utilizing things like Airbnb so
  • 00:16:33
    they'll fly in a non- US citizen into
  • 00:16:36
    the states they'll be here maybe on a
  • 00:16:38
    Visa or here for a couple of weeks or
  • 00:16:40
    something like that get them rental cars
  • 00:16:42
    they'll get them airbnbs they'll get
  • 00:16:43
    them hotel rooms and they will start
  • 00:16:45
    moving these guys all around the US
  • 00:16:47
    their boss will call them up and say hey
  • 00:16:48
    go to this place and collect this
  • 00:16:50
    $20,000 parcel or go to this Airbnb and
  • 00:16:53
    stay there for 3 days and collect all
  • 00:16:55
    these packages they'll even send actual
  • 00:16:57
    money mules to the victim's homes now
  • 00:16:59
    these victims are getting cash out
  • 00:17:00
    they're buying even gold bars I've seen
  • 00:17:02
    half a million dollars of gold bars
  • 00:17:04
    purchased before they're taking this
  • 00:17:05
    gold and they're going to pawn shops
  • 00:17:07
    selling it for cash and then putting in
  • 00:17:08
    a Bitcoin this is where for me it starts
  • 00:17:10
    to get pretty scary because a lot of
  • 00:17:12
    organized crime they're very good at
  • 00:17:14
    moving money around and they have a very
  • 00:17:15
    good process guys that are they call
  • 00:17:18
    them Runners that are driving all around
  • 00:17:19
    the US with fake IDs using rental cars
  • 00:17:23
    they get a percentage of this so if they
  • 00:17:25
    steal $100,000 in gold bars they might
  • 00:17:27
    get 20% we had group that we were
  • 00:17:29
    monitoring that was doing about half a
  • 00:17:31
    million dollars a day and this is
  • 00:17:33
    happening everywhere around the US the
  • 00:17:35
    crime groups they are working with these
  • 00:17:37
    scammers overseas they work in like
  • 00:17:39
    WhatsApp groups telegram groups signal
  • 00:17:41
    groups and they stay under the radar
  • 00:17:43
    from governments from law enforcement
  • 00:17:45
    and they're really good at what they do
  • 00:17:47
    at R and disk says someone hacked into
  • 00:17:50
    my Amazon accounts and ordered a couple
  • 00:17:52
    of things I now have their address what
  • 00:17:54
    devious things should I do in P.S I
  • 00:17:56
    probably won't do it so be clever well
  • 00:17:58
    if you want a CL ever answer send them a
  • 00:17:59
    glitter bomb okay secondly don't send
  • 00:18:02
    them anything I'm really not saying to
  • 00:18:04
    send anything essentially what happens
  • 00:18:05
    is someone takes over somebody's account
  • 00:18:08
    and then they buy these things and ship
  • 00:18:09
    all the stuff to a random house we
  • 00:18:11
    actually had uh somebody in my
  • 00:18:13
    neighborhood I drove by this one house
  • 00:18:16
    like nobody lived there and the packages
  • 00:18:18
    just started showing up and then you're
  • 00:18:20
    like okay maybe they're out of town and
  • 00:18:22
    then you start seeing the packages in
  • 00:18:24
    the windows and then you're like okay
  • 00:18:25
    maybe they're out of time for an
  • 00:18:26
    extended amount of time and then you
  • 00:18:27
    start literally seeing packages in the
  • 00:18:29
    front yard and I'm not talking one or
  • 00:18:31
    two packages I'm talking like 100
  • 00:18:33
    packages at one point I finally saw some
  • 00:18:35
    Vans show up to clear out all these
  • 00:18:37
    things it's somebody that thinks that
  • 00:18:39
    they're running a business or a side
  • 00:18:41
    business to make a little bit of extra
  • 00:18:43
    money here or there and they don't know
  • 00:18:44
    where the money's coming from but
  • 00:18:45
    they're getting paid to collect these
  • 00:18:46
    packages they're in communication with
  • 00:18:48
    their boss they're telling them hey
  • 00:18:50
    receive this iPhone go ship it somewhere
  • 00:18:52
    else and then that's where the real
  • 00:18:53
    scammer is they collect that iPhone they
  • 00:18:55
    sell it and then they made money Lou
  • 00:18:57
    wants to know I'm so confused guys how
  • 00:18:58
    did someone or something get into my
  • 00:19:00
    Instagram and post a Bitcoin scam I have
  • 00:19:02
    tofa I'm not stupid enough to click
  • 00:19:04
    links I'm genuinely so lost there's
  • 00:19:06
    probably something that you did to give
  • 00:19:09
    access to the account if you had tofa
  • 00:19:12
    there are ways around it tofa is two
  • 00:19:14
    Factor authentication my recommendation
  • 00:19:16
    on TFA is to not run it through your
  • 00:19:19
    text messages there are ways that
  • 00:19:21
    hackers can still utilize getting around
  • 00:19:24
    TFA through your text messages so there
  • 00:19:25
    are authenticator apps to use and they
  • 00:19:28
    actually have codes that once you
  • 00:19:29
    download them and connect them to your
  • 00:19:31
    accounts you literally have to have the
  • 00:19:32
    physical phone with these codes on there
  • 00:19:34
    in order to get in so I highly recommend
  • 00:19:36
    using authenticator apps with all of
  • 00:19:38
    your social media accounts if they were
  • 00:19:40
    on one of your devices and you were
  • 00:19:42
    logged into it and you didn't know that
  • 00:19:43
    that device has somebody on it if they
  • 00:19:45
    have access to your email address
  • 00:19:47
    they'll send a password request to that
  • 00:19:49
    email that they have access to and then
  • 00:19:51
    they got your account at allanore GC
  • 00:19:54
    says online security tips I should know
  • 00:19:56
    is public Wi-Fi safe is VPN good it's
  • 00:19:58
    actually probably not faster these days
  • 00:20:00
    than just using your cell phone so grab
  • 00:20:02
    your cell phone and just tether off of
  • 00:20:04
    it it's a much safer option than logging
  • 00:20:06
    into and probably giving away your data
  • 00:20:09
    to all these companies just to use their
  • 00:20:10
    public Wi-Fi also never use Wi-Fi at the
  • 00:20:13
    airport you are around thousands and
  • 00:20:16
    thousands of people at an airport not to
  • 00:20:17
    say there's just hackers running around
  • 00:20:19
    everywhere at the airport but just be
  • 00:20:21
    proactive about your own security vpns
  • 00:20:23
    are great for protecting and encrypting
  • 00:20:25
    your traffic turn them on whenever you
  • 00:20:26
    want to feel more protected but don't
  • 00:20:28
    use these public Wi-Fi they hackers
  • 00:20:30
    Galore if they wanted to create fake
  • 00:20:32
    Wi-Fi spaces you log into it and they
  • 00:20:35
    say hey we need your Gmail you just gave
  • 00:20:36
    someone your Gmail and they've owned
  • 00:20:38
    your account at the es Markin says at
  • 00:20:41
    scammer payback how do you get access to
  • 00:20:43
    scamers machines we have various methods
  • 00:20:46
    the first one is just a reversal they
  • 00:20:48
    want to remote into my virtual machine
  • 00:20:51
    so the first thing is allowing the
  • 00:20:52
    scammer to get access to your computer
  • 00:20:54
    and then from there I will send a
  • 00:20:55
    request to their machine from there we
  • 00:20:58
    can run a few files without them seeing
  • 00:21:00
    hopefully and then we have permanent
  • 00:21:01
    access to their system to do whatever we
  • 00:21:03
    want we have other methods of getting
  • 00:21:05
    access to scammer systems I can't share
  • 00:21:07
    all of them because I don't want to give
  • 00:21:08
    away all of our secrets but we've also
  • 00:21:10
    sent in operatives into call centers and
  • 00:21:12
    they will then give us the access there
  • 00:21:14
    are people that have been ex scammers
  • 00:21:16
    that are pretty much fed up with the
  • 00:21:17
    scam industry and they want to do good
  • 00:21:20
    we had one Insider that he reached out
  • 00:21:22
    to me and said hey I want to help you if
  • 00:21:24
    you can get me back home and he did that
  • 00:21:26
    we helped him we want to form these
  • 00:21:27
    relationships and area people who are
  • 00:21:29
    fed up there's so many folks in India
  • 00:21:31
    that are sick and tired of this and they
  • 00:21:33
    want to fight back at techie guy nearby
  • 00:21:36
    asks how come there are so many illegal
  • 00:21:38
    call centers operating in and around
  • 00:21:40
    Kolkata in police Administration they're
  • 00:21:41
    not aware of it such Shameless
  • 00:21:43
    activities Savatage the efforts of
  • 00:21:46
    genuine entrepreneurs who are doing some
  • 00:21:48
    very good work here I've done a lot of
  • 00:21:50
    studying of Kolkata it's a beautiful
  • 00:21:51
    Tech Hub hydrabad there's a big Tech Hub
  • 00:21:53
    up there as well there's Outsourcing
  • 00:21:55
    that happens in India there are a lot of
  • 00:21:57
    brilliant smart wonderful people in
  • 00:21:59
    Kolkata especially and you look at some
  • 00:22:00
    of these big bosses that made off with a
  • 00:22:04
    lot of money the reason why they were
  • 00:22:05
    able to was because they had police
  • 00:22:07
    connections they were essentially paying
  • 00:22:09
    per computer every seat in a call center
  • 00:22:11
    they had given money to the police so in
  • 00:22:14
    case there was a raid it was pretty much
  • 00:22:16
    a fake raid and then they would pay the
  • 00:22:17
    police off and then they would get out
  • 00:22:19
    so it made these scammers really
  • 00:22:20
    confident that no matter what they did
  • 00:22:22
    if they got raided they'll be back in
  • 00:22:24
    you know a month or so but we've been
  • 00:22:25
    fighting back for many years I've been
  • 00:22:27
    doing this for 5 years now and it's
  • 00:22:29
    forcing them and pressuring them to stop
  • 00:22:31
    doing what they're doing or move
  • 00:22:32
    somewhere else so Kolkata the police and
  • 00:22:34
    the administration they've done a lot
  • 00:22:36
    better of a job of shutting down these
  • 00:22:39
    big call centers so you're starting to
  • 00:22:40
    see a lot of the scammers scatter from
  • 00:22:42
    Kolkata so I do want to give credit to
  • 00:22:44
    them for that here's a question from cor
  • 00:22:46
    it's a great question why can an
  • 00:22:48
    American YouTuber scammer payback perogi
  • 00:22:50
    find the location of scammers in India
  • 00:22:52
    when he is in another country and the
  • 00:22:53
    India Police cannot I won't go into all
  • 00:22:55
    the specifics but if they've got an
  • 00:22:56
    internet connection we can typically
  • 00:22:58
    find exactly where they are within like
  • 00:23:00
    10 m one of the locations I found it
  • 00:23:02
    made me laugh because you just look on
  • 00:23:04
    Google Maps and there's like a square of
  • 00:23:06
    a building and his DOT is like smack dab
  • 00:23:09
    in the middle of it you know he's right
  • 00:23:10
    in there we take this information we
  • 00:23:13
    give it to us law enforcement but also
  • 00:23:15
    India whenever they want it's just a
  • 00:23:17
    matter of do they want to take action
  • 00:23:18
    here's a question from at from ma
  • 00:23:21
    serious question why do scammers almost
  • 00:23:22
    immediately want me to go to Whatsapp or
  • 00:23:26
    Google Hangout what am I missing when a
  • 00:23:28
    scammer talks with you on Facebook let's
  • 00:23:30
    say it's a romance scammer if you're on
  • 00:23:32
    the platform and you're talking to Brad
  • 00:23:35
    Pit for instance and you click on his
  • 00:23:36
    picture and you look at his followers
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    and he's got 137 followers you might
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    start questioning is this really Brad
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    Pit the scammer has to start making up
  • 00:23:44
    excuses why he's got 137 followers so if
  • 00:23:47
    they get you to a different platform
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    they're just a number or they're just a
  • 00:23:51
    fake email that you're responding to
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    versus a whole profile kind of a more
  • 00:23:55
    private secure space for them that they
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    can manipulate at Shred redberg says who
  • 00:23:59
    in the world names their child scam
  • 00:24:01
    likely that's like a statement and a
  • 00:24:02
    question right there I like it the phone
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    providers are doing a better job with
  • 00:24:06
    protecting people so you'll see the scam
  • 00:24:07
    likely that's popping up these scammers
  • 00:24:09
    are buying up phone numbers to bring
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    about their scams and they get reported
  • 00:24:13
    they get put into a database and then it
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    becomes scam likely at morgs 1234 says
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    does anyone know how you can find out if
  • 00:24:20
    a site is fake or not convinced the
  • 00:24:23
    dress I've ordered for formal is from a
  • 00:24:25
    fraud site the internet has done a
  • 00:24:27
    pretty good job with regards to stopping
  • 00:24:29
    these types of fraud sites scammers are
  • 00:24:32
    moving towards things like Facebook
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    Marketplace Craigslist things like that
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    if you're on Facebook Marketplace and
  • 00:24:38
    you're trying to buy a couch don't give
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    deposits that's one of the first things
  • 00:24:41
    they'll do is you need to pay for
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    shipping oh you need to pay for this oh
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    you need to pay pay half of it and then
  • 00:24:46
    all of a sudden you've paid you know a
  • 00:24:48
    couple thousand bucks to somebody you
  • 00:24:49
    ain't got the couch don't pay anything
  • 00:24:51
    until you receive the product or at
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    least meet with the person first and
  • 00:24:53
    have the money with you I don't know I
  • 00:24:56
    don't buy St off Facebook Marketplace I
  • 00:24:58
    just don't believe it like if you start
  • 00:24:59
    buying stuff off Craigslist you know a
  • 00:25:01
    cat with one leg it's probably not a cat
  • 00:25:03
    okay I'm sorry D I'm sorry bro okay I
  • 00:25:07
    bought a cat off of Craigslist one time
  • 00:25:09
    okay and it wasn't what they said it was
  • 00:25:11
    I bought it for 100 bucks it was a cat
  • 00:25:13
    but it wasn't the cat that I thought it
  • 00:25:14
    was so I guess I got scammed okay she
  • 00:25:17
    peed every you know I'm trying to bring
  • 00:25:19
    some personal Insight so you know yeah
  • 00:25:22
    next question please I'm done at aen
  • 00:25:24
    Chang 58 says just watching do any of
  • 00:25:27
    these scammers ever get caught we're
  • 00:25:29
    always being warned about scams but
  • 00:25:31
    never hear of any being caught or
  • 00:25:32
    convicted I understand the pain there
  • 00:25:35
    because we all want the bad guys to go
  • 00:25:37
    to jail and get in trouble really it's
  • 00:25:38
    about jurisdiction you can't force
  • 00:25:40
    another country to go arrest somebody
  • 00:25:42
    because they're stealing money from
  • 00:25:43
    citizens you just can't do it we've
  • 00:25:45
    gotten a lot of people arrested here in
  • 00:25:46
    the States money mules that are working
  • 00:25:48
    with these scammers overseas I can't
  • 00:25:50
    speak to all the specifics because these
  • 00:25:53
    are some pretty gnarly crime groups but
  • 00:25:55
    there have been people getting caught
  • 00:25:57
    and getting arrested here the us at Mike
  • 00:25:59
    Stricker says scammer payback I watch a
  • 00:26:01
    ton of your videos last night someone
  • 00:26:03
    hacked my PayPal account and I actually
  • 00:26:04
    got the phone number that they added
  • 00:26:06
    when doing the password reset attempt
  • 00:26:08
    how do I get this to the authorities
  • 00:26:09
    without calling 911 like in a formal way
  • 00:26:11
    scammers are really good about hiding
  • 00:26:13
    behind burn numbers if you get this one
  • 00:26:16
    shut down I'll just go to another one
  • 00:26:18
    and it's the same for emails and phone
  • 00:26:19
    numbers take back your PayPal account is
  • 00:26:21
    probably the best thing to do just take
  • 00:26:22
    it back and change your password and
  • 00:26:24
    make sure nobody gets into your account
  • 00:26:26
    again but there's not much you can do
  • 00:26:27
    about the random phone numbers at
  • 00:26:29
    Mayville hey Google how do you get money
  • 00:26:31
    back from a scammer you really can't get
  • 00:26:33
    your money back that's the hard part
  • 00:26:35
    these scammers are very good they might
  • 00:26:37
    not be able to spell correctly sometimes
  • 00:26:39
    but they're really good about moving
  • 00:26:40
    money very fast if you have given your
  • 00:26:42
    money to a scammer it's probably not
  • 00:26:44
    coming back sorry those are all the
  • 00:26:46
    questions for today and on behalf of my
  • 00:26:48
    team here at scammer payback thank you
  • 00:26:49
    for watching scam bait support and
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    always remember don't get get scammed
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