Udio AI Terms Of Service Exposed: Do You Legally Own AI Music?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkKdxnoPI58

概要

TLDRThe video is an in-depth analysis of the legal questions surrounding the use of AI-generated music, particularly in relation to copyright ownership and usage rights. It highlights that while platforms like udio allow for commercial use of AI-generated music, creators do not own the copyright under current laws, which require human authorship. The presenter, a music attorney, goes through the terms of service of udio to explain what creators should be aware of, including the potential for the same music to be generated for different users, the requirement to credit the platform, and the implications of uploading original content for AI processing. Furthermore, the discussion touches on the broader impact of AI on the music industry, the challenge of potential copyright infringement issues, and the importance of proper legal registration and disclosure of AI involvement in the creative process. The video also advises users on opting out of arbitration provisions in service agreements and being aware of possible downstream impacts of AI usage on their rights and music exploitation.

収穫

  • 🤔 AI-created music doesn't have copyright protection due to lack of human authorship.
  • 🔍 Understand udio's terms for legal use of AI-generated music in your projects.
  • 💡 You can use AI-generated music commercially, but remain aware of the shared nature and legal limitations.
  • 🔗 Disclose AI's involvement in your music for proper copyright registration.
  • ⚠️ Other users might generate identical AI music; originality can't be guaranteed.
  • 🎨 If using AI like udio, you must credit the platform for any generated works.
  • 🔐 Uploading your music to AI platforms may grant them expansive usage rights.
  • 📧 Consider opting out of arbitration clauses within 30 days on such platforms.
  • ⚖️ Legal frameworks are evolving with AI technology, highlighting need for updated copyright laws.
  • 💭 AI's role is likened to tools that enhance creativity but necessitate careful legal navigation.

タイムライン

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The speaker introduces questions about AI's originality and copyright issues, focusing on music creation through AI platforms like udio.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The discussion highlights udio's terms of service, explaining that users' input and AI-generated output are not owned by users but can be commercially used.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    It is clarified that AI-generated content lacks copyright ownership for humans, explored through legal interpretations of authorship.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    There are legal concerns about sharing and using AI-generated content, with users needing to credit AI platforms like udio.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    The potential for non-unique outputs shared by different users on AI platforms raises legal ambiguities.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    The speaker explores trademark issues around udio, questioning its ownership and legal registration.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Music industry impacts of AI tools are discussed: on creative processes, copyright registration, and direct-to-consumer strategies.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:41:02

    The conversation examines broader implications of AI, legal uncertainties, and strategic adaptations for musicians.

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よくある質問

  • Do I own the copyright to music created with AI?

    No, under current U.S. copyright law, works created purely by AI are not eligible for copyright protection as human authorship is required.

  • Can I use AI-generated music commercially?

    Yes, according to the terms of service of udio, you can use AI-generated music for both personal and commercial purposes.

  • What happens if someone else produces the same AI-generated music?

    According to the terms, it’s possible for the same output to be generated for different users, so someone else could produce the exact same AI-generated music.

  • What do the udio terms of service say about input and output content?

    The terms define input content as any instruction or content provided by the user, and output content as the result generated by udio, which users can use commercially but do not own.

  • Do AI-generated works need to be credited?

    Yes, the terms require users to credit the platform (udio) when using its generated works.

  • Can other users access my AI-generated music on udio?

    Yes, others may download a copy for personal, non-commercial use, but cannot use it commercially without your consent.

  • Is it safe to upload my original music to AI platforms like udio?

    While future functionalities may allow uploads, doing so grants the platform rights to use your music to train their AI and potentially share it with others.

  • What is the legal significance of disclosing AI's role in creating music to the copyright office?

    If AI contributed to creating music, you must disclose it to avoid revocation of copyright registration in the U.S.

  • Are AI platforms subject to DMCA takedowns?

    Yes, platforms like udio build in DMCA compliance to protect themselves against potential copyright claims.

  • Should you opt out of arbitration provisions in service agreements?

    Yes, if you wish to avoid binding arbitration, you must send an opt-out email within 30 days of registration.

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    what's the AI learning from is it really
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    original and that's like part of the big
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    problem AI is learning from the stuff
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    that was made by humans do you legally
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    own the stuff that you make using AI do
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    you have copyright protection these are
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    the bigger questions that I haven't seen
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    anyone answer and I'm a music attorney
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    so I'm going to talk about it today
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    while I'm going to focus on udio
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    specifically which is right now just
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    everyone is so excited about this
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    platform its capabilities I mean people
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    are just freaking out and it's allegedly
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    better than soon know and we're going to
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    go through its terms of service and I'm
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    going to possibly accidentally kind of
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    expose them a little bit what I'm trying
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    to do is have a bigger conversation and
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    to walk you guys through how this works
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    so that when you make music if you make
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    music in any kind of way from this
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    platform or AI in general and then you
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    release it and then you sell it what do
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    you need to know so you can stay legally
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    protected in their terms of service they
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    kind of reveal what is coming and right
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    now for the beta version and the stuff
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    that it does it's really amazing but
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    what I kind of accidentally uncovered as
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    part of the things that I accidentally
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    uncovered looking into this is what
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    they're going to be doing which I'm
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    going to walk you through so where I
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    thought I would kind of start with this
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    and let me share my screen udio it's
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    funny I actually went to their website
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    and I was trying to you know because I
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    haven't actually used the product yet
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    but I'm like preparing for this video
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    I'm like all right let's whatever I went
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    to the website and my virus protection
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    was like don't go to this website it's
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    terrible I don't know why I don't know
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    why but I just ignored it and I got on
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    the platform from I use it so where I
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    want to stop start is with just the the
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    question in regards to copyright because
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    this is what you guys are concerned
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    about you go if I make the the thing on
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    this platform in any kind of way do I
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    own the copyright in the song that I
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    created and so this came out in March of
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    20123 and so basically the copyright
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    office was saying that AI is essentially
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    being excluded from any possible
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    registration that you try to file so if
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    we remember under us copyright law when
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    you make something when you make
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    something you automatically have
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    copyright ownership in that thing okay
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    that's the beauty of copyright law but
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    the copyright office came out and they
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    go this policy they they' made a big
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    statement they go look we have explained
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    that human authorship is required for
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    copyright protection and that they will
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    refuse to register any Works any music
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    right any videos anything that is made
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    from Ai and so we go okay so then when
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    it comes to just like realistically if
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    we can utilize these platforms and I've
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    had people ask me in regards to I'm
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    using AI to help with my cover art it's
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    a great tool I kind of like what it's
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    coming up with but what are the reasons
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    why I shouldn't do this we're going to
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    touch on that but so this is what the
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    copyright say they go you're not going
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    to own the stuff that is made from Ai
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    and we go okay well why is that the
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    reason why is under 17 USC Section 102
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    this is what it says it goes copyright
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    protection subsists in accordance with
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    this title and it is required that it be
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    an original work of authorship okay so
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    an original work work of authorship
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    assumes that it's made by a human okay
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    and we've had cases litigated about this
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    with things that may or may not have
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    been made by a machine or a device and
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    all of this so we start with just a
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    general kind of premise of under
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    copyright law great news when you make
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    something and put pen to paper you do a
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    little voice memo you record in your
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    studio you actually have automatic
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    copyright great and the reason why we go
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    and we register with the copyright
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    office is because it's a prerequisite if
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    you want to sue someone if you hire me
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    and you're like need to assume they
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    stole my song you have to have the piece
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    of paper that says you actually
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    registered with the federal government
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    so those are the two steps we keep in
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    mind so again if we are using AI in any
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    part of the musical development if not
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    the entire thing what does that mean for
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    you all right so with that being said
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    let's bounce on over real quick to udo's
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    terms of service all right so last
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    revised March 18th 2024 I'm going to
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    very specifically focus on a couple of
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    things one of which is that they
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    identify themselves as Uncharted labs
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    Incorporated we're going to keep that in
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    the back of our minds because I really
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    like to stock out companies I like to
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    know where are they who are they who are
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    they owned by what are they doing all
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    that stuff now in the very beginning of
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    this they go hey just a quick heads up
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    in section n there is a waiver of class
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    action rights there's an arbitration
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    Clause just so you know this is coming
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    but we do give you the right to opt out
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    now I'm G to I'm going to talk about
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    this in a sec and I kind of like that
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    and I'll explain why but what I really
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    want to just hyper focus on is going to
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    be there's two things that happen on
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    udio right those two things are one you
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    get on the platform and you give it some
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    kind of instruction you give it some
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    kind of prompt and pursuant to the terms
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    it says this is defined as input content
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    right so the services will allow you to
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    prompt direct and to provide other
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    content this is how we know that there's
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    other stuff coming from this platform
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    which may include lyrics and audio files
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    as inputs which is collectively defined
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    as input content so that's one of the
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    things that are happening here the next
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    thing that happens here is that it's
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    going to generate stuff for you it's
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    going to generate sound recordings
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    musical composition lyrics text visual
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    content so then this is defined as the
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    output now one thing that I kind of want
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    to keep in mind is that they go on to
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    say for the stuff that you put into US
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    plus the stuff that pops out so the
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    input and the output content you give us
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    rights to use so it says you acknowledge
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    and agree that we may use your input
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    content and output to train or otherwise
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    improve our services now as we go
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    through this you I'm going to point out
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    all the places where it talks about how
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    you know you might provide third party
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    material or material to it and I go
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    right now from what I can see there's no
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    way to like upload a track because I had
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    that thought I'm like well what if I
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    make a great instrumental and I want it
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    to help me write a Topline I understand
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    there's different platforms that do that
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    but specifically with this one I go well
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    it doesn't look like you can do it it's
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    more of you just give it prompts I want
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    this kind of thing with this kind of
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    vocal and this kind of styling and it
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    could you know pop out a great song so
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    the services may allow you to download
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    copies of another user's output so
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    someone else who makes a song or more
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    importantly if you make a song someone
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    else can download what you made your
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    output and similarly Others May download
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    copies of your output you may only use
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    another output for personal and
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    non-commercial purposes and you can only
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    do it you know as far as actually
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    utilizing someone else's song with their
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    consent so again this goes back to from
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    what currently you can use the platform
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    for I don't see that this is in any kind
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    of place there's no like Community I can
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    go to right um or post my song publicly
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    so that it would be shared but I think
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    that's that's coming but just so you
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    know whenever you were watching this
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    that anything that you make on this
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    platform not only may be re-produced by
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    someone else so if you're like oh I'm
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    going to sneakily like make my music on
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    this platform and release it and no
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    one's ever going to know what they
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    actually say in their terms is that
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    someone may put in the combination of
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    things that you put in and the exact
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    same song may get spit out for someone
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    else so just from a kind of you know how
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    you want to play this keep that in mind
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    they do set forth a bunch of stuff in
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    here and they're just like look you
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    can't reverse engineer our platform you
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    can't learn how to do what we're doing
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    and all that but also from the stuff
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    that you make here's the things that
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    we're just going to kick you off the
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    platform for you know stuff that's
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    defamatory obscene pornographic it
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    violates privacy it's harassing
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    threatening so they say this a bunch of
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    times all right that's all fine you know
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    you have to be at least 13 years of age
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    to use the platform where I kind of want
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    to jump in is with Section I think it
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    was six so go all the way down oh yeah
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    this made me laugh so they go the beta
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    offerings are as is and they say a
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    couple times or like if you get a bug on
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    your computer because of us that's on
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    you all right so six ownership and
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    content so we go back to all right if
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    you use this platform the stuff that is
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    generated that you do not already own
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    you don't Magic own it so you might be
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    thinking you're like well if we said
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    under copyright law that authorship is
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    when you you know fix an idea into a
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    tangible medium wasn't it my idea to put
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    together all of these great things these
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    great descriptors like it wouldn't have
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    come up with this thing except for me
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    telling it what to do so doesn't that
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    entitle me to the copyright under the
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    law the answer is no your input was so
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    minimal and it's basically just
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    disregarded so you don't have copyright
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    so we're keeping that in mind but it
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    still goes back to the question of well
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    you're going to use this stuff for what
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    something right it's not just this
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    platform and so then it's well if you do
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    use it and then you sell it or you
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    stream it or you do these things how
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    does that potentially backfire on you so
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    here in section six they go here's all
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    stuff in regards to ownership and
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    content using this specific platform so
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    whenever you know pertains to the
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    services they Define their platform with
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    the look and feel so example meaning
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    text Graphics images logos as
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    proprietary content information and
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    other material
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    and any technology use for any output
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    this is our copyrighted stuff these are
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    our trademarks this is our IP I'm a
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    trademark attorney I'm a copyright
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    attorney so I know how to look this
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    stuff up I was like hm you say that
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    you're a trademark owner let's take a
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    look so I went on the trademark office
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    website and I did a little search so
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    this is their filing right here on the
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    right and so you can see they filed for
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    the trademark udio in the class of nine
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    as well as the class of 42 we know that
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    because remember we said it was
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    Uncharted labs and so they are
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    registered in Delaware now just so you
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    guys know the reason why a lot of
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    companies register in Delaware there's
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    many of reasons but sometimes they do it
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    because you can't look up who owns a
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    company in Delaware also Wyoming and so
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    sometimes people will register there
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    because they don't want anyone knowing
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    who the owner is I don't know if that's
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    the case here I'm just saying I just
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    noticed they are in effect registered in
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    Delaware but the other thing I also
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    noticed is that there's another udio and
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    not only is there another udio which is
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    okay we can have trademarks we can have
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    trademarks for the exact same name as
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    long as that name is in a totally
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    different category we call them classes
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    so if there is Metallica and Metallica
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    does music Metallica Metallica does live
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    shows and sells merchandise so they have
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    all these categories but there could be
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    Metallica I'm trying to think of
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    something that' be so unrelated I don't
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    know knitting there's Metallica knitting
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    services or something like that that
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    actually is okay so there's an udio in
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    class 42 and there's a udio here right
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    right in class 42 so they actually do
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    the same thing and I go okay that's
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    interesting so I look at the owners okay
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    so here in the owners it goes this udio
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    which is registered meaning this person
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    this company already got this trademark
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    and it's owned by udio systems LTD
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    proprietary limited company which is
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    based in Australia and so I go did we
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    just uncover that the owner of udio is
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    based in Australia or is this really a
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    different company because one of two
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    things is happening here either the
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    attorney for udio the AI music Creator
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    didn't do their research to see that
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    there's another registration in the
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    exact same class which is going to be
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    very problematic they're not going to
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    get it or this is actually the same
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    company anyway let's move on just to
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    show you guys what this looks like so it
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    shows class n so this is what the AI
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    udio applied for so class 9 so they go
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    for nine we do computer software we have
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    downloadable AI software apps for
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    discovering creating storing music and
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    then class 42 so this is AI software for
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    discovering creating generating storing
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    music that
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    okay we're fine with all of that we're
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    just kind of curious about some of that
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    additional information and then also the
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    udio that we're talking about the terms
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    of service here's kind of the backd door
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    stuff you guys don't get to see which is
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    they filed this in March so just a month
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    ago so they are just brand new on all
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    things they're brand new on filing for
  • 00:11:47
    their trademark so back to the terms of
  • 00:11:49
    service so they go look in regards to
  • 00:11:51
    our copyrights in regards to how we do
  • 00:11:54
    stuff on this platform it's our
  • 00:11:55
    proprietary stuff you can't come and
  • 00:11:57
    reverse engineer our stuff otherwise
  • 00:11:59
    you're going to get into trouble fine no
  • 00:12:00
    problem what we care about more than
  • 00:12:02
    anything is for the output as it's
  • 00:12:05
    defined here how does it affect you if
  • 00:12:08
    you use it all right so moving on 6.3
  • 00:12:10
    your content in connection with your use
  • 00:12:13
    of the services you may be able to post
  • 00:12:16
    upload or submit the content and other
  • 00:12:20
    information owned and controlled by you
  • 00:12:21
    such as your input content which again
  • 00:12:24
    guys remember we were just talking about
  • 00:12:25
    this and we're like it's not just the
  • 00:12:27
    instructions that you give this platform
  • 00:12:29
    but it actually does Define that you may
  • 00:12:31
    it you may be able to upload stuff onto
  • 00:12:33
    this platform at some point and they
  • 00:12:35
    covered this at length to be like hey in
  • 00:12:38
    regards to the stuff that you upload
  • 00:12:39
    onto our our platform you agree you own
  • 00:12:41
    it this isn't like infringe stuff from
  • 00:12:43
    someone else so that's why I'm like I
  • 00:12:45
    think that's where this platform is
  • 00:12:46
    going which is going to be really
  • 00:12:48
    interesting because now it's this idea
  • 00:12:50
    of merging your original stuff with the
  • 00:12:53
    AI component which is going to make this
  • 00:12:55
    so complicated legally and from the
  • 00:12:57
    standpoint of of copyright but anyway so
  • 00:12:59
    as between you and the company company
  • 00:13:02
    does not claim ownership in what you
  • 00:13:04
    make I was like Ah that's interesting so
  • 00:13:06
    the company does not claim ownership in
  • 00:13:08
    your content so anything you give to the
  • 00:13:11
    platform including any output so any
  • 00:13:13
    stuff any songs that you create which
  • 00:13:15
    are generated by you in response to the
  • 00:13:18
    submission of your input content to the
  • 00:13:20
    services provided to the company its
  • 00:13:22
    Affiliates all people that work you know
  • 00:13:24
    there own the services and the
  • 00:13:26
    technology itself okay we're fine with
  • 00:13:28
    that you may may use your output for
  • 00:13:30
    both this is so important this is the
  • 00:13:32
    big question here how can you use what
  • 00:13:34
    you make this is what they say you can
  • 00:13:36
    use the music that you make for both
  • 00:13:40
    personal and Commercial purposes and we
  • 00:13:43
    permit you to download a copy of the
  • 00:13:44
    output that consists of an audio file
  • 00:13:46
    for such purposes so at least as it
  • 00:13:49
    relates to the question of if you make
  • 00:13:52
    something and then you want to sell it
  • 00:13:54
    right because you know we'll we'll we'll
  • 00:13:55
    talk about all the ways that we think
  • 00:13:57
    this is going to impact a lot of
  • 00:13:58
    people's jobs in the music business but
  • 00:14:01
    if you generate music for a film and
  • 00:14:04
    then you sell or put on music platforms
  • 00:14:06
    right a soundtrack for the film you make
  • 00:14:09
    a song you put the song on your album
  • 00:14:11
    like all this stuff pursuant to at least
  • 00:14:13
    this contract these terms of services
  • 00:14:16
    you are okay to do that from a legal
  • 00:14:18
    standpoint that's one thing we at least
  • 00:14:19
    have Clarity on now in order to operate
  • 00:14:21
    the services we may need to obtain from
  • 00:14:24
    you certain license rights in your
  • 00:14:26
    content that actions we take in the
  • 00:14:29
    operating I'm sorry I'm saying that
  • 00:14:30
    weird in your content so that actions we
  • 00:14:34
    take in operating the services are not
  • 00:14:37
    considered legal violation so that's
  • 00:14:38
    another place we're seeing in regards to
  • 00:14:41
    your content I'm thinking they're going
  • 00:14:43
    to have you you know be able to upload
  • 00:14:46
    some of your stuff onto this platform
  • 00:14:47
    and I don't see why that would be a
  • 00:14:48
    logical progression I literally had that
  • 00:14:50
    thought I go what if I just put my
  • 00:14:52
    instrumental because producers do all
  • 00:14:54
    this all the time right and we go this
  • 00:14:55
    would be one of the jobs that's going to
  • 00:14:56
    get affected right so one of my clients
  • 00:14:59
    she gets hired to do top lines for
  • 00:15:01
    producers right so she comes up with the
  • 00:15:03
    words she comes up with The Melodies and
  • 00:15:05
    stuff like that and other platforms do
  • 00:15:06
    this it's just will this platform do it
  • 00:15:08
    it kind of seems that they're going to
  • 00:15:10
    all right so you grant to us and all of
  • 00:15:12
    our you know Associates we can reproduce
  • 00:15:15
    transmit publish display and modify your
  • 00:15:18
    content to operate improve and promote
  • 00:15:20
    the services so this is just meaning
  • 00:15:22
    they can study your stuff right so the
  • 00:15:25
    AI can learn from what you upload to the
  • 00:15:29
    platform which kind of goes back to my
  • 00:15:30
    whole as you guys are making music on
  • 00:15:33
    these platforms and then selling it or
  • 00:15:35
    Distributing it and also how it can be
  • 00:15:37
    used not only by this platform but by
  • 00:15:41
    other people on the platform so that's
  • 00:15:43
    where we're paying attention to stuff
  • 00:15:44
    where it's like you give us the right to
  • 00:15:48
    promote your content your output the
  • 00:15:51
    stuff that you make on this platform so
  • 00:15:52
    don't think that you know at least as of
  • 00:15:54
    now that what you're doing is going to
  • 00:15:56
    be kept completely private and that no
  • 00:15:58
    one's going to know or that someone's
  • 00:15:59
    not going to come up with the exact same
  • 00:16:01
    thing that you came up with we're going
  • 00:16:03
    to do all these things including we can
  • 00:16:04
    reproduce we said this publish we can
  • 00:16:06
    distribute your output based on your
  • 00:16:08
    input content so right if you uploaded
  • 00:16:10
    something at some point also the
  • 00:16:12
    instructions you gave it to train or
  • 00:16:14
    otherwise improve or modify our
  • 00:16:15
    artificial intelligence for clarity this
  • 00:16:17
    grant of right includes a grant of All
  • 00:16:19
    rights necessary for company and our
  • 00:16:21
    Affiliates successors assigns right so
  • 00:16:23
    all the people that work with us to be
  • 00:16:24
    able to do the same thing that's
  • 00:16:26
    essentially what it is so and we not
  • 00:16:28
    only that but we can do it in any media
  • 00:16:30
    now knowing or here after developed in
  • 00:16:33
    regards to monetizing right so if we
  • 00:16:35
    want to make money from it if we want to
  • 00:16:36
    promote it if we want to Market it so
  • 00:16:38
    they go on to basically just be like
  • 00:16:39
    look understand that there's a couple
  • 00:16:41
    things that are going to happen here one
  • 00:16:43
    is and this is a big one okay so we're
  • 00:16:46
    going to get to this where they say in
  • 00:16:48
    in regards to credit you have to tell
  • 00:16:51
    the public that you're using this
  • 00:16:53
    platform do I think all of you are going
  • 00:16:54
    to do that no do I think that even some
  • 00:16:57
    people ethically feel
  • 00:16:59
    okay using this platform because they're
  • 00:17:01
    like and we'll talk about this but
  • 00:17:02
    pursuant to this contract which is what
  • 00:17:04
    this is if you use this platform you are
  • 00:17:06
    required to give credit and say I use
  • 00:17:09
    this platform and then guess what udio
  • 00:17:12
    is going to repost it or they reserve
  • 00:17:13
    the right to repost it and be like oh my
  • 00:17:14
    gosh this big song it was made using our
  • 00:17:17
    platform and of course they would but
  • 00:17:19
    you give them the right pursuant to
  • 00:17:21
    these terms to do that so as part of the
  • 00:17:23
    forgoing license you grant to us the
  • 00:17:26
    right to also comment to tag to publish
  • 00:17:28
    to display to copy and also to create
  • 00:17:31
    like little derivative works we can do
  • 00:17:32
    it for any reason we can do it for
  • 00:17:34
    advertising by posting and submitting
  • 00:17:36
    your content through the services you
  • 00:17:38
    represent warrant that you have all
  • 00:17:40
    necessary rights okay so this is where
  • 00:17:42
    it's going to get really muddy we have
  • 00:17:44
    um so many problems already with people
  • 00:17:46
    who utilize music distribute music sell
  • 00:17:49
    music and they actually don't have all
  • 00:17:50
    the rights just because of who they
  • 00:17:52
    worked with they're like we don't have
  • 00:17:53
    an agreement and I think I should be
  • 00:17:54
    able to own it like someone did this to
  • 00:17:55
    me I went to their Studio one time and
  • 00:17:58
    we just recorded and just tried some
  • 00:18:00
    stuff and we were just you know
  • 00:18:01
    around and something like years later
  • 00:18:04
    this person released a song using some
  • 00:18:06
    of the stuff that we had recorded and I
  • 00:18:08
    like didn't give permission person did
  • 00:18:10
    not own it lots of issues and so things
  • 00:18:13
    can happen and maybe someone can be
  • 00:18:14
    confused and you know they end up doing
  • 00:18:17
    something with the music so that's what
  • 00:18:18
    they're saying here and that's what a
  • 00:18:19
    lot of these companies do anyway that
  • 00:18:21
    deal with your music they're like just
  • 00:18:22
    so you know you're supposed to get all
  • 00:18:24
    the permissions and consents and all the
  • 00:18:26
    stuff so that if something bad happens
  • 00:18:28
    guess who's going to have to pay the
  • 00:18:29
    attorney's fees it's you that's what
  • 00:18:31
    that's what this says all right so um
  • 00:18:32
    6.4 talks about attribution so this is
  • 00:18:34
    where it goes you give us permission to
  • 00:18:37
    well and this is after the credit but
  • 00:18:38
    this basically says you will credit them
  • 00:18:40
    so you will credit not only us on
  • 00:18:43
    anything that is made right you are
  • 00:18:45
    required to that's a distinction it's
  • 00:18:47
    not a hey we kind of want you to you are
  • 00:18:49
    actually required to so you know
  • 00:18:50
    technically it would be a breach of
  • 00:18:51
    contract if you use this platform and
  • 00:18:54
    then you don't reasonably credit them
  • 00:18:56
    for the creation so keep that in mind I
  • 00:18:58
    don't know is udio going to come after
  • 00:19:00
    you and sue you because you don't give
  • 00:19:02
    them credit pursuant to this they could
  • 00:19:04
    all right so this is kind of interesting
  • 00:19:05
    right here they get into dmca takedowns
  • 00:19:08
    so basically what this says here they go
  • 00:19:09
    look under the Digital Millennium
  • 00:19:11
    Copyright Act of 2018 and this specific
  • 00:19:15
    statute if someone files a dmca takedown
  • 00:19:19
    because they go you stole something from
  • 00:19:23
    us and so they have a a copyright claim
  • 00:19:25
    under the Copyright Act in the dmca what
  • 00:19:27
    it says is that there's safe Harbor for
  • 00:19:29
    companies so in this case it' be udio so
  • 00:19:31
    so basically what that means is that
  • 00:19:32
    they have built in a mechanism to be
  • 00:19:35
    like if there's a copyright claim we
  • 00:19:36
    have the ability to not get sued pursu
  • 00:19:38
    to the Copyright Act and this is how and
  • 00:19:40
    I go that's really interesting because
  • 00:19:42
    I'm like again this is all AI generated
  • 00:19:44
    stuff so I go one of the big questions
  • 00:19:46
    here is well where's you know what's the
  • 00:19:48
    AI learning from is it really original
  • 00:19:51
    is it really and that's like part of the
  • 00:19:53
    big problem and you know we have a lot
  • 00:19:54
    of people who are just like no it's not
  • 00:19:56
    AI is learning from the stuff that was
  • 00:19:58
    made by humans and then it's using these
  • 00:20:00
    just incredible algorithms and
  • 00:20:02
    Technology you know all this stuff to to
  • 00:20:04
    come up with these new songs and all
  • 00:20:06
    this stuff instantaneously like it's
  • 00:20:07
    insane but in any case they do go well
  • 00:20:09
    we are going to give ourselves Safe
  • 00:20:10
    Harbor here and again I don't know if
  • 00:20:12
    that's for purposes of now or that's
  • 00:20:13
    because in the near future they're going
  • 00:20:15
    to be giving people the ability to
  • 00:20:17
    upload their original stuff and it will
  • 00:20:19
    be now integrated into the AI every
  • 00:20:22
    dream of getting your music into TV film
  • 00:20:24
    and games well it's easier than you
  • 00:20:26
    think and here's what I put together for
  • 00:20:28
    you a music library database of 90 plus
  • 00:20:31
    music libraries email templates and a
  • 00:20:33
    license agreement all so it's done for
  • 00:20:35
    you go to topmusic attorney.com for stin
  • 00:20:38
    licensing Made Easy and guys let me just
  • 00:20:41
    touch on this for like two seconds going
  • 00:20:42
    back to the copyright stuff please
  • 00:20:45
    memorize this remember this write this
  • 00:20:47
    down when it comes to you filing
  • 00:20:49
    something for copyright remember in the
  • 00:20:51
    beginning I said if you're going to file
  • 00:20:54
    to copyright your music your original
  • 00:20:56
    music that you made you want to make
  • 00:20:57
    sure that you file it with the federal
  • 00:20:58
    government write the copyright office
  • 00:21:00
    get a piece of paper you got to do it to
  • 00:21:02
    file a lawsuit to hire me to get your
  • 00:21:04
    attorney's fees like all this stuff to
  • 00:21:05
    file the lawsuit very important and you
  • 00:21:08
    want to do it before the infringement
  • 00:21:09
    happens if there's infringement because
  • 00:21:10
    then you can get statutory damages up to
  • 00:21:12
    $150,000 per infringements all great
  • 00:21:14
    stuff but the copyright office and the
  • 00:21:16
    reason why I showed you that at the
  • 00:21:17
    beginning was the copyright office has
  • 00:21:19
    said that if you make some portion of
  • 00:21:21
    your song using AI you have to disclaim
  • 00:21:24
    it to the copyright office with your
  • 00:21:25
    application when you file and if you
  • 00:21:28
    don't what can happen is that the
  • 00:21:29
    copyright office will revoke your
  • 00:21:31
    registration so it'll be like it never
  • 00:21:33
    happened again for those of you who are
  • 00:21:34
    thinking well how will they know why
  • 00:21:36
    would you risk it and there's so many
  • 00:21:39
    platforms now that are popping up to
  • 00:21:41
    help you know teachers for example you
  • 00:21:44
    know figure out how to how to you know
  • 00:21:45
    catch the kids who are you know using AI
  • 00:21:48
    to write their essays and things like
  • 00:21:49
    that there's just as many like Solutions
  • 00:21:51
    coming up with with with figuring this
  • 00:21:53
    out so I just I want to put it out there
  • 00:21:55
    you do have to disclaim whatever portion
  • 00:21:57
    was written by AI and if the whole thing
  • 00:21:59
    was written by Ai and you didn't do
  • 00:22:01
    anything so other than put in the
  • 00:22:03
    instructions if it was totally made by
  • 00:22:05
    AI you can't get a federal registration
  • 00:22:07
    in the United States all right so moving
  • 00:22:09
    on they have all the mechanisms for the
  • 00:22:11
    dmca takedowns the the ability to do
  • 00:22:13
    counter notifications all kinds of you
  • 00:22:15
    know things we won't get too far into
  • 00:22:17
    okay and then the output right so the
  • 00:22:19
    stuff that is made using the udio
  • 00:22:22
    platform generated by the surface is for
  • 00:22:24
    entertainment purposes only they're like
  • 00:22:26
    hey you can sell it you can do all kinds
  • 00:22:28
    of things but we're saying it's for
  • 00:22:29
    entertainment purposes only due to the
  • 00:22:32
    nature of artificial intelligence and
  • 00:22:34
    machine learning your output may not be
  • 00:22:37
    unique and the services May generate the
  • 00:22:40
    same or similar output for a third party
  • 00:22:44
    so for those of you who like your hair
  • 00:22:46
    is blowing back and you're like this is
  • 00:22:47
    the most amazing thing I'm going to put
  • 00:22:49
    out the best music ever and you know
  • 00:22:51
    you're not maybe being honest about your
  • 00:22:52
    use of it just understand there's just
  • 00:22:54
    going to be different ways that this
  • 00:22:55
    kind of burns you and so I'm focusing on
  • 00:22:57
    the legality of it I'm focusing on the
  • 00:22:59
    copyright issues and all of that however
  • 00:23:01
    I do want to reiterate this they are
  • 00:23:03
    telling you that there is a potential
  • 00:23:06
    that someone who uses the platform may
  • 00:23:09
    have the exact same song generated for
  • 00:23:12
    them so don't think that again you might
  • 00:23:14
    not get discovered right okay so as we
  • 00:23:16
    continue though because remember the
  • 00:23:17
    beginning I go I'm I'm curious about
  • 00:23:20
    this company who is this we'll get to
  • 00:23:22
    that a little bit more so they go uh the
  • 00:23:24
    laws the jurisdiction is basically going
  • 00:23:27
    to be we do have of liability and this
  • 00:23:29
    is how it's all going to work so let me
  • 00:23:30
    go to this 8.2 remember with the tune
  • 00:23:32
    core terms of service we were talking
  • 00:23:35
    about the limitations of liability I'm
  • 00:23:36
    like guys I will literally go to war for
  • 00:23:40
    weeks over these words that there's a
  • 00:23:43
    limitation of liability in order for you
  • 00:23:45
    to seek your special exemplary
  • 00:23:48
    incidental consequential or punitive
  • 00:23:50
    damages and then they also go on to say
  • 00:23:53
    if there is liability so you sue us and
  • 00:23:56
    we lose the total amount that you can
  • 00:23:59
    get cannot exceed it can't be more than
  • 00:24:01
    $100 or the amount that you paid to our
  • 00:24:04
    company if any amount in the past six
  • 00:24:07
    months for the services and I pointed
  • 00:24:09
    out I just go look a lot of companies do
  • 00:24:11
    this because it practically prevents you
  • 00:24:14
    from ever getting a meaningful outcome
  • 00:24:17
    okay so just meaning like you can't get
  • 00:24:18
    your attorney's fees because they said
  • 00:24:20
    that word consequential damages it's a
  • 00:24:22
    consequential damage that you will incur
  • 00:24:24
    to pay $50,000 to file a lawsuit and pay
  • 00:24:26
    an attorney and they're like also also
  • 00:24:28
    by the way you not only don't get
  • 00:24:30
    reimbursed for your attorney's fees but
  • 00:24:31
    if you if we lose the mostly you could
  • 00:24:34
    get is $100 this stuff makes me laugh
  • 00:24:36
    we'll come back to this but I just want
  • 00:24:37
    to transition the conversation really
  • 00:24:39
    quickly back to more of the Practical
  • 00:24:41
    stuff so let me bring Orco back in so we
  • 00:24:43
    can just kind of jump into this this
  • 00:24:45
    whole conversation has just been you
  • 00:24:47
    know crazy I know you haven't gotten
  • 00:24:49
    into udio or any of these things like
  • 00:24:52
    you know working with it but I I checked
  • 00:24:54
    it out I looked at it and I I did it a
  • 00:24:57
    couple days and just every time did it I
  • 00:24:58
    just felt like you know what is the
  • 00:25:01
    point anymore like music is over music
  • 00:25:03
    is done and then I was like uh you know
  • 00:25:06
    but it's here and like what are we going
  • 00:25:08
    to do AI is here AI is you know has
  • 00:25:13
    really think about your lifetime
  • 00:25:14
    everybody that's been alive that's you
  • 00:25:15
    know watching this video has gone
  • 00:25:17
    through a couple of eras just how fast
  • 00:25:19
    the world has adapted to AI just in
  • 00:25:22
    their everyday lives I mean even on meta
  • 00:25:25
    and Facebook now you can't avoid they
  • 00:25:26
    have their AI That's built in that you
  • 00:25:28
    can't even get rid of your phones they
  • 00:25:30
    all have ai in them chat GPT everybody
  • 00:25:33
    uses chat GPT everybody is using some
  • 00:25:36
    form of AI now an aspect of it is like
  • 00:25:39
    you know it's here what do we do like it
  • 00:25:42
    it's just here what can we do I've seen
  • 00:25:44
    Talk of the government really needs to
  • 00:25:45
    regulate AI how the technology is out
  • 00:25:48
    there it's here it's it's in existence
  • 00:25:50
    it's a matter of fact yeah and in
  • 00:25:52
    regards to this if you've written the
  • 00:25:54
    lyrics right so let's say you were using
  • 00:25:56
    udio and you wrote the lyrics well did
  • 00:25:58
    you write all the lyrics did you just
  • 00:26:00
    give it you know maybe some sentences
  • 00:26:02
    and then it built the remainder do you
  • 00:26:04
    have copyright protection in the
  • 00:26:06
    original elements that you provided yes
  • 00:26:08
    for sure it gets really tricky if you go
  • 00:26:11
    that was my sole input and then for
  • 00:26:13
    practically for each of you watching
  • 00:26:14
    this you now know and you can better
  • 00:26:16
    protect yourself on how to do this how
  • 00:26:18
    to register what you need to disclaim
  • 00:26:20
    things like that but then going back to
  • 00:26:21
    the question of someone you know just
  • 00:26:22
    being like so what what if you know so
  • 00:26:24
    what if I don't have the copyright
  • 00:26:26
    ownership here's the Practical effect
  • 00:26:28
    because we talk a lot about you know I
  • 00:26:30
    really want you guys to think like
  • 00:26:31
    record labels so that you can build your
  • 00:26:32
    own companies and not necessarily just
  • 00:26:34
    give ownership of your music to another
  • 00:26:36
    company because maybe they can do
  • 00:26:38
    something for you that you don't know
  • 00:26:39
    that you can actually just do for
  • 00:26:40
    yourself setting that aside I'm always
  • 00:26:42
    like remember that these companies are
  • 00:26:44
    making millions of dollars from your
  • 00:26:46
    music because they end up selling it
  • 00:26:48
    especially if they can get a song or a
  • 00:26:51
    few songs to go viral like something
  • 00:26:53
    happens these become really valuable
  • 00:26:55
    assets and that's what record labels
  • 00:26:57
    make a a lot of their money from and so
  • 00:27:00
    the reason I say all that is because the
  • 00:27:01
    only reason that they can sell this
  • 00:27:03
    stuff is because it's original music
  • 00:27:05
    you're not going to be able to do
  • 00:27:06
    something with this long term so as far
  • 00:27:08
    as it being kind of like part of your
  • 00:27:09
    business plan do you want to utilize
  • 00:27:10
    some of this stuff like cool do it but
  • 00:27:13
    as far as utilizing it and then trying
  • 00:27:15
    to sell and stream and all this like in
  • 00:27:17
    the short term it might have some
  • 00:27:19
    benefit long term it it could really
  • 00:27:21
    backfire for all the reasons we talked
  • 00:27:23
    you know copyright issues you can't
  • 00:27:26
    enforce right so if you're if your song
  • 00:27:28
    was made with AI you can't take that to
  • 00:27:30
    court because you don't own it you don't
  • 00:27:32
    own the copyright in it you also can't
  • 00:27:34
    sell it because when you sell it you
  • 00:27:35
    have to provide paperwork to the buyer
  • 00:27:38
    showing that you have the copyright
  • 00:27:39
    registration that you made all the
  • 00:27:41
    things those are the problems that are
  • 00:27:43
    going to come up for you but I think
  • 00:27:45
    also you know as time goes on and you
  • 00:27:48
    know in just the short time how advanced
  • 00:27:49
    the technology has gotten and it's and
  • 00:27:51
    it's pretty Advanced I mean we're going
  • 00:27:53
    to be talking about this for a while
  • 00:27:54
    because it's crazy I see that it's it
  • 00:27:57
    it's just it is going to be like
  • 00:27:58
    everywhere and maybe some of these laws
  • 00:28:00
    are going to have to change you know you
  • 00:28:02
    know a lot of these laws are so old so
  • 00:28:04
    they're going to have to adapt and I
  • 00:28:06
    don't know if they they'll never catch
  • 00:28:07
    up but I just think of like sync
  • 00:28:09
    licensing who cares if they have to you
  • 00:28:11
    know say that we used it for AI or if
  • 00:28:13
    they're developing their own technology
  • 00:28:16
    because this is these are just you know
  • 00:28:17
    these sunos and and udio are just like
  • 00:28:19
    two companies you don't think record
  • 00:28:20
    labels are designing or their own like
  • 00:28:23
    AI software there's so much different AI
  • 00:28:26
    software I think that you're going to
  • 00:28:27
    have a flooding of AI generated music I
  • 00:28:31
    think that we're going to have another
  • 00:28:32
    huge surge in rappers and singers and
  • 00:28:35
    producers that are using AI for their
  • 00:28:38
    social media because now they have
  • 00:28:39
    backing tracks and so now they can get
  • 00:28:41
    into music so easy just like how when
  • 00:28:43
    Daws were made to everybody can just
  • 00:28:46
    record their own songs at home and then
  • 00:28:47
    everybody was a rapper or producer and
  • 00:28:49
    now it's just even more so because now
  • 00:28:51
    just casual fans of Music are going to
  • 00:28:54
    get the industry the market is going to
  • 00:28:55
    get so overly saturated and it's just
  • 00:28:58
    it's just going to it's just a matter of
  • 00:29:00
    how you're going to adapt into it so I
  • 00:29:03
    think I love this so actually there was
  • 00:29:05
    the when I was talking earlier about
  • 00:29:07
    this um there were two examples that
  • 00:29:08
    came to mind and this was one so when we
  • 00:29:10
    had a non-human make a thing and there
  • 00:29:13
    was the argument of does the monkey who
  • 00:29:15
    accidentally took the or not even
  • 00:29:16
    accident the monkey who took the selfie
  • 00:29:18
    did the monkey own the copyright and the
  • 00:29:21
    courts found no because he's not human
  • 00:29:24
    right but then another instance where um
  • 00:29:27
    a live streamer
  • 00:29:28
    he accidentally turned on the camera and
  • 00:29:31
    it accidentally started live streaming
  • 00:29:34
    and then someone used that video and so
  • 00:29:36
    he sued and he goes That's My
  • 00:29:38
    copyrighted content and he lost because
  • 00:29:41
    the court said you didn't intentionally
  • 00:29:43
    make it yes it was made by a human but
  • 00:29:44
    you didn't intentionally make so there's
  • 00:29:46
    lots of like gray areas and Nuance
  • 00:29:48
    things but the one thing that we do know
  • 00:29:49
    under the Copyright Act is that work of
  • 00:29:52
    authorship suggests that it's made by a
  • 00:29:54
    human it has to be made by a human
  • 00:29:56
    people are going to always want people
  • 00:29:57
    to perform live people are going to
  • 00:29:59
    always want that aspect so although
  • 00:30:02
    there's a lot of holograms that are out
  • 00:30:03
    there now at
  • 00:30:04
    shows so we'll see we'll see what
  • 00:30:07
    happens but what so so one thing I
  • 00:30:09
    didn't finish my thought on in regards
  • 00:30:11
    to the terms of service and I'll just
  • 00:30:12
    show you guys this really fast because I
  • 00:30:13
    go in the terms of service it always
  • 00:30:15
    says what choice of law like if there's
  • 00:30:17
    a dispute where are we going to Duke it
  • 00:30:19
    out in the terms right here it goes the
  • 00:30:21
    terms are governed by the state of New
  • 00:30:23
    York without regard to conflict of rules
  • 00:30:26
    proper venue so if a dispute that the
  • 00:30:30
    state and federal courts located in New
  • 00:30:32
    York County New York shall control so I
  • 00:30:35
    go back to my little you know remember
  • 00:30:37
    we were looking at the trademark filings
  • 00:30:41
    and we go H this is interesting they're
  • 00:30:43
    saying that they are registered in
  • 00:30:44
    Delaware Delaware but then they have New
  • 00:30:46
    York law so I actually tried looking up
  • 00:30:48
    the company and I searched in the you
  • 00:30:51
    know New York Secretary of State website
  • 00:30:53
    they're not there so they are registered
  • 00:30:55
    in Delaware I'm like is it this
  • 00:30:58
    Australian company who are they it's
  • 00:31:00
    very mysterious but I'm sure that you
  • 00:31:02
    know with all of this technology I'm
  • 00:31:05
    sure these companies are also kind of
  • 00:31:06
    nervous when they release it just
  • 00:31:07
    because they don't know what the laws
  • 00:31:08
    are going to be and so they're trying to
  • 00:31:10
    throw everything they can to protect
  • 00:31:11
    themselves that's the other thing that
  • 00:31:13
    blows me away about everything is the
  • 00:31:15
    fact that anybody has access to this
  • 00:31:18
    like anybody can do this it's not like
  • 00:31:20
    you have to already be involved in music
  • 00:31:23
    or you're paying for something or this
  • 00:31:25
    is an exclusive technology that's only
  • 00:31:27
    available to like the upper echelon or
  • 00:31:30
    labels or whatever your grandma could
  • 00:31:33
    literally make an AI generated song make
  • 00:31:36
    a little IG with it or whatever and go
  • 00:31:39
    super viral off this song yeah in
  • 00:31:41
    regards to just training AI right and I
  • 00:31:43
    go how do you guys feel about this so if
  • 00:31:45
    at some point udio and really any of
  • 00:31:48
    these platforms but udio allows you to
  • 00:31:49
    upload your music because maybe you're
  • 00:31:51
    just trying to get inspired you know and
  • 00:31:53
    they go not only if you upload the music
  • 00:31:54
    you give us a license to use that and
  • 00:31:58
    any of the final things that you know
  • 00:32:00
    you come up with but also that they have
  • 00:32:03
    access and you know will have access it
  • 00:32:05
    doesn't look like it's you know a thing
  • 00:32:06
    right now but that they'll have the
  • 00:32:08
    ability for other people to be able to
  • 00:32:11
    also view the stuff that you make and to
  • 00:32:13
    download the stuff that you make now
  • 00:32:14
    they say if someone else downloads what
  • 00:32:17
    you make they're not supposed to use it
  • 00:32:19
    commercially right to distribute it sell
  • 00:32:21
    it that kind of thing but but but I'm
  • 00:32:23
    also going like okay cool that's what
  • 00:32:24
    you say but practically speaking what
  • 00:32:27
    would people do they'll do whatever the
  • 00:32:28
    hell they want well I'm just it's just
  • 00:32:30
    you know I just see people using it a
  • 00:32:32
    lot for sampling just taking you know
  • 00:32:34
    generating some you know 70 Soul
  • 00:32:37
    trumpets or something like that and and
  • 00:32:39
    you know we already we we talked about a
  • 00:32:41
    little bit before output how you just
  • 00:32:44
    kind of uh on their website you type in
  • 00:32:46
    what kind of stems you want and it'll
  • 00:32:47
    Pro it's essentially doing the same
  • 00:32:49
    thing it's giving you a type of beat
  • 00:32:50
    that you get the stems from I think when
  • 00:32:52
    udio releases stems and just these
  • 00:32:55
    different abilities or can go you know
  • 00:32:57
    from song to MIDI and then you're just
  • 00:32:59
    kind of taking chords or whatever
  • 00:33:00
    there's just it's going to be harder to
  • 00:33:02
    catch but to your point of just not
  • 00:33:03
    owning your music some people are just
  • 00:33:05
    looking for the clout and the short the
  • 00:33:07
    short ride companies are looking just to
  • 00:33:09
    save money and not hire musicians think
  • 00:33:12
    about just all the jobs that these AI
  • 00:33:14
    companies are you know potentially
  • 00:33:16
    eliminated like session musicians like I
  • 00:33:19
    don't really there's so many things I
  • 00:33:21
    just I need a baseline I don't need a
  • 00:33:22
    session musician to play it I'll get a
  • 00:33:23
    clean Baseline stem that I have sound
  • 00:33:26
    Engineers when you hear these udio songs
  • 00:33:28
    and there Sound MP3 and beta and stuff
  • 00:33:30
    but if you know if they get higher
  • 00:33:32
    quality whatever these songs sound like
  • 00:33:33
    they're mixed they sound pretty good
  • 00:33:36
    anybody that's like kind of attached
  • 00:33:37
    with kind of mastering Engineers
  • 00:33:39
    songwriting is going to be totally
  • 00:33:41
    affected by these because you don't need
  • 00:33:42
    it and if I'm making a movie or a short
  • 00:33:45
    film or I'm looking for something
  • 00:33:48
    background music for my YouTube video
  • 00:33:50
    like why am I not just generating the AI
  • 00:33:53
    music that I want and just putting it on
  • 00:33:55
    my video like or my short form content
  • 00:33:58
    of Tik Tok and now I have a I'm wrapping
  • 00:34:01
    My My lyrics over it or I'm not I'm
  • 00:34:03
    using AI lyrics The world is changed
  • 00:34:06
    though that's the main takeaway is it's
  • 00:34:08
    changed and we either accept it go with
  • 00:34:10
    the flow or we sit there and complain
  • 00:34:13
    about it but people are going to be
  • 00:34:14
    making money on this people are going to
  • 00:34:15
    be using these tools well on one thing
  • 00:34:18
    that I do want to just point out because
  • 00:34:19
    you guys remember they had said at the
  • 00:34:21
    beginning of the terms of service and
  • 00:34:22
    they go uh you reserve the right to opt
  • 00:34:26
    out so I just want to make sure sure to
  • 00:34:28
    give you guys this because I always give
  • 00:34:29
    you the contact information so if you do
  • 00:34:31
    sign up to be on this platform you have
  • 00:34:32
    30 days after you register to be on the
  • 00:34:35
    platform to send them an email which you
  • 00:34:38
    want to send to
  • 00:34:40
    info.com and you want to say I do not
  • 00:34:42
    want to be bound by the arbitration
  • 00:34:46
    provision and I wanted to point this out
  • 00:34:49
    because I saw this with when I bought
  • 00:34:50
    one of my cars and it said that because
  • 00:34:53
    I actually read the terms of service
  • 00:34:55
    it's it's a thing like you do want to
  • 00:34:57
    opt out of these things so if you're
  • 00:34:59
    newer to the platform if you want to
  • 00:35:00
    utilize that make sure you do it you
  • 00:35:01
    have 30 days from the time you register
  • 00:35:03
    and the reason why I wanted to point out
  • 00:35:05
    is a you guys should know this but be
  • 00:35:07
    with with udio terms of service I always
  • 00:35:08
    want to highlight something where I see
  • 00:35:10
    a company doing something like giving an
  • 00:35:12
    option to its users to artists to
  • 00:35:15
    producers like and that's why I just you
  • 00:35:16
    know had such a problem with toun cores
  • 00:35:18
    terms of services because I'm like I get
  • 00:35:20
    it you're a company you were here to
  • 00:35:21
    make money that is so abundantly clear
  • 00:35:25
    and you know you have no obligation to
  • 00:35:27
    care about your artists whatsoever but
  • 00:35:29
    like when I see a company giving some
  • 00:35:30
    option of something I'm like good for
  • 00:35:32
    you it's the process not the results now
  • 00:35:35
    I don't know which which direction
  • 00:35:37
    you're taking because you could see from
  • 00:35:38
    both coins from that statement people
  • 00:35:40
    thought that also the end was going to
  • 00:35:41
    come when cassette tapes came and they
  • 00:35:43
    they were going to end the music
  • 00:35:44
    business but you could record songs off
  • 00:35:45
    the radio and dub them and you know one
  • 00:35:48
    could argue that that you know
  • 00:35:49
    eventually came to streaming um but it's
  • 00:35:52
    all about we're talking about like
  • 00:35:53
    devaluing music you know photography has
  • 00:35:56
    totally changed as far as as you know
  • 00:35:58
    people aren't necessarily going to
  • 00:35:59
    photographers for their head shot or
  • 00:36:01
    whatever everybody's shooting everything
  • 00:36:02
    on their phone or technology has been
  • 00:36:04
    affecting every humans forever I mean
  • 00:36:07
    it's just been kind of like a slow burn
  • 00:36:09
    to get to where we are cuz even when I
  • 00:36:12
    was kind of toying it around with it and
  • 00:36:13
    just putting in like artist names it was
  • 00:36:15
    coming pretty close to a lot of stuff
  • 00:36:17
    which is the scary thing because it's
  • 00:36:20
    still not there yet but it's it's so
  • 00:36:23
    almost there in such a short time um
  • 00:36:26
    we're going to be definitely covering
  • 00:36:27
    more of this stuff going on just talking
  • 00:36:29
    about just even like the ethics of it
  • 00:36:31
    you know 30 years of now ai generated
  • 00:36:34
    music it's like oh like you you listen
  • 00:36:36
    to human made music that's so like 80
  • 00:36:39
    years ago like is human history going to
  • 00:36:41
    be erased is emotion because we're
  • 00:36:43
    training it with our emotions we're
  • 00:36:45
    training it with our Vibes every time we
  • 00:36:47
    generate a song every time we release a
  • 00:36:50
    song now apparently we are teaching AI
  • 00:36:53
    our Human Experience our things it's now
  • 00:36:56
    creating things to point where we're not
  • 00:36:58
    going to be able to tell and we're be
  • 00:36:59
    like I don't care that that song's a jam
  • 00:37:01
    like what am I going to do about it it's
  • 00:37:03
    it's a hit what do you want me to do I
  • 00:37:04
    don't know robot wrote it robots are
  • 00:37:05
    good what you want me to tell you this
  • 00:37:06
    is what we're taking away from having
  • 00:37:08
    looked at now the terms of service
  • 00:37:09
    considered copyright law and number one
  • 00:37:13
    in regards to purely AI created Music
  • 00:37:17
    you do not own it and in fact even
  • 00:37:19
    pursuant to udo's terms you have a
  • 00:37:22
    license you're permitted to use it right
  • 00:37:23
    you can use it commercially you can sell
  • 00:37:25
    it you can license you can stream it you
  • 00:37:26
    can do all the things that's that's okay
  • 00:37:28
    so you are okay legally to use the music
  • 00:37:30
    that you generate but under copyright
  • 00:37:33
    law you don't own it now if you merge AI
  • 00:37:37
    stuff into your music the AI stuff you
  • 00:37:41
    don't own the original stuff that you
  • 00:37:43
    made you own't if you go and file that
  • 00:37:46
    with the federal government which you do
  • 00:37:48
    want to do generally for your music you
  • 00:37:50
    have to make sure you tell them the
  • 00:37:51
    stuff that was made by AI otherwise it
  • 00:37:53
    could result in your registration being
  • 00:37:57
    revoked later on Curtis King I watched
  • 00:38:00
    the Curtis King video when he was
  • 00:38:01
    talking about this and he was talking
  • 00:38:03
    about how don't be so afraid of it
  • 00:38:05
    because what's the difference artists
  • 00:38:07
    make producers make tight beats where
  • 00:38:08
    they're literally studying a Drake album
  • 00:38:11
    and copying his exact beat production
  • 00:38:13
    and then trying to sell them on beat
  • 00:38:14
    stars or whatever they're like they're
  • 00:38:16
    emulating Styles already it's just AI is
  • 00:38:19
    making it kind of easier for you I mean
  • 00:38:21
    how many artists when Billy eish started
  • 00:38:23
    to blow up started doing the whisper
  • 00:38:26
    singing like you know what I'm saying so
  • 00:38:29
    I I also see that as as as the thing to
  • 00:38:32
    also not panic I'm trying not to panic
  • 00:38:35
    because I got to tell you like my I felt
  • 00:38:37
    nauseous when I started hearing some of
  • 00:38:39
    the stuff that those those AIS were were
  • 00:38:41
    pointing out for those of you who will
  • 00:38:43
    argue that AI is a tool right it can be
  • 00:38:46
    used as a tool to enhance creativity
  • 00:38:49
    it's not meant to eliminate but it's
  • 00:38:50
    like autotune or sound effects right
  • 00:38:54
    distortions plugins all these things
  • 00:38:57
    that enhance and manipulate and even
  • 00:39:00
    sometimes will give you progressions we
  • 00:39:03
    be like put in the court generators and
  • 00:39:06
    so I go you know for for maybe people
  • 00:39:08
    who are villainizing AI I go it's tough
  • 00:39:11
    because you don't have a problem with
  • 00:39:12
    any of the other stuff I just mentioned
  • 00:39:15
    right yeah so what what's your guys's
  • 00:39:17
    thought I mean
  • 00:39:19
    sampling people that sample or they do
  • 00:39:22
    remix or cover songs aren't you just
  • 00:39:24
    exploiting another artist for clout like
  • 00:39:26
    when you do those things when covering
  • 00:39:27
    song you're using their song to for your
  • 00:39:30
    own to put yourself on it like you
  • 00:39:32
    didn't come up with that originally when
  • 00:39:34
    you sample you didn't come up with that
  • 00:39:36
    sample you're taking somebody else
  • 00:39:38
    what's the difference between Ai and
  • 00:39:40
    that you know what I mean like as as we
  • 00:39:43
    go into nuances now I'm thinking more
  • 00:39:45
    from a not just taking the song because
  • 00:39:47
    people aren't just going to take the
  • 00:39:48
    songs as a whole and release them
  • 00:39:51
    necessarily they could be inspired they
  • 00:39:53
    could be sampling they could be doing
  • 00:39:54
    all kinds of things that you don't know
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    like producers find tricks to to do
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    whatever that's why you hear songs that
  • 00:39:59
    get sued 5 years later because they hid
  • 00:40:01
    the sample pretty good but not good
  • 00:40:02
    enough and then they get caught and then
  • 00:40:05
    they get sued just stay creative stay
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    creative just remember this is why
  • 00:40:09
    direct consumer it's the best time to do
  • 00:40:12
    it it's the best time to try these
  • 00:40:14
    things because there's going to be a
  • 00:40:16
    huge sect of people that are looking for
  • 00:40:18
    that Human Experience and maybe now your
  • 00:40:20
    campaign is like for the next few years
  • 00:40:22
    human made all human made you you you
  • 00:40:25
    don't even you can't buy it from the
  • 00:40:26
    machine you have to buy it Direct irly
  • 00:40:27
    on my website not paying to these other
  • 00:40:29
    companies that when you're uploading
  • 00:40:31
    your music to the distributors or
  • 00:40:32
    whatever they are they are they training
  • 00:40:34
    do they have deals with these companies
  • 00:40:35
    that are training your art and training
  • 00:40:37
    your originality direct to Consumer may
  • 00:40:39
    be the way to go if you start to
  • 00:40:40
    incorporate AI into your creative
  • 00:40:43
    process the AI generated stuff you do
  • 00:40:45
    not own if you do not own it think about
  • 00:40:48
    how that's going to affect your stuff
  • 00:40:50
    long term right
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  • AI-generated music
  • copyright
  • udio
  • music industry
  • legal implications
  • terms of service
  • commercial use
  • music creation
  • intellectual property
  • DMCA compliance