Westside Barbell Podcast #21 - Louie Simmons reveals how he overcame his injuries to succeed
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TLDRIn the Westside Barbell podcast, the hosts discuss Louis Simmons's extensive list of injuries and the innovative recovery methods he developed over the years. Simmons, a renowned strength coach, particularly highlights his back injuries, focusing on the 1973 L5 vertebra fracture. Unable to find effective professional treatments, Simmons invented the reverse hyperextension exercise, which significantly aided his recovery and later proved beneficial in preventing back injuries in others. Throughout the podcast, Simmons emphasizes the importance of learning from injuries, training correctly, and staying mentally tough. He shares anecdotes about overcoming adversities, including other injuries, such as torn biceps, patellar tendon rupture, and shoulder issues, often without surgical intervention. Simmons's experiences inspire a training philosophy that prioritizes adaptability, using exercises like reverse hypers, static abs, and integrated body work to build strength and resilience. He encourages those dealing with injuries to innovate and persist rather than rely solely on typical medical advice. His story is a testament to the resilience and ingenuity required to overcome physical setbacks, providing valuable lessons for athletes and trainers worldwide.
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- ๐๏ธโโ๏ธ Importance of reverse hyperextension for recovery.
- ๐ง Mental resilience is key in overcoming injuries.
- ๐คธโโ๏ธ Correct training techniques prevent injuries.
- ๐ Adaptability can lead to innovative solutions.
- ๐ฆด Avoid unnecessary surgical interventions.
- ๐คผโโ๏ธ Static abs and other exercises improve flexibility.
- ๐จโ๐ซ Learning from personal experience is crucial.
- ๐๏ธโโ๏ธ High repetition training enhances tissue recovery.
- ๐ฅ Specialized exercises benefit athletes in various sports.
- ๐ก Ingenuity helps solve complex recovery challenges.
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The podcast begins with a review of Louis Simmons's injuries and recovery methods. He begins discussing his major injuries, starting with a 1973 injury of an L5 fracture and SI joint.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
In 1973, after achieving significant lifting successes, Simmons injured himself losing concentration during good mornings exercise, leading to seeking self-recovery methods due to unsuccessful treatments.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
Simmons describes an innovative reverse hyper exercise he began using for recovery, which eventually led to the development of machines based on this exercise, which yielded patents for him.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Even after repeating the injury in 1981, Simmons refused surgery and instead relied on reverse hypers, acupuncture, and stretching to recover, proving resilient by lifting competitively even later in his life.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
Simmons emphasizes a strong foundation through oblique work and static abs while introducing methods like belt squats for powerful but safe training, highlighting a chiropractor using a belt squat as the 'spinal liner'.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
He elaborates on the mechanism and success of the reverse hyper in training, mentioning impressive stats of lifters without back injuries, attributing success to the reverse hyper machine's high volume load.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
Simmons describes how the reverse hyper aids training by correcting muscle imbalances, essential for explosive power in athletics, though often misunderstood by educational systems focused on single-joint exercises.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
In overcoming severe injuries, Simmons used creative methods, such as doing exercises in reverse like reverse hyper, maintaining training intensity while ensuring safety through self-devised techniques.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
Concerns around exercises perceived as dangerous are countered with points on safely pushing limits with the right technique and gradual increase in load, using the reverse hyper as an example of misunderstood but effective training.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:00
Simmons continues to emphasize the importance of high-rep training and adapting workouts to handle larger volumes safely, showcasing notable examples in athletic performance improvements through these ideas.
- 00:50:00 - 00:55:00
While confronting myths about exercise dangers, Simmons emphasizes proper spinal training through exercises like reverse hyper to mitigate injuries, while training to develop safe, strong lifting capabilities.
- 00:55:00 - 01:00:00
Training resilience and adaptation are highlighted, discussing how to push through personal thresholds without injury by understanding body mechanics and applying them into advancing athletic performance.
- 01:00:00 - 01:05:00
Simmons elaborates on his neck injury and subsequent shoulder replacement and how he created a recovery path using tools like the bandbell bar, emphasizing large volumes of light training over time.
- 01:05:00 - 01:10:00
He credits his recovery from surgery using controlled progressive exercises, including bandbell bar and heat therapy. He achieved a full range of motion after surgery beyond typical recovery expectations.
- 01:10:00 - 01:15:00
Simmons shares an unconventional but successful approach using high reps and consistency in muscle stimulation to facilitate recovery, which included the bandbell bar and other unique exercises.
- 01:15:00 - 01:20:00
The importance of posterior chain development is reiterated with focus on high repetitions of exercises like reverse hyper for muscle endurance and injury management, supported by his personal rehabilitation experiences.
- 01:20:00 - 01:25:00
Techniques such as using modified equipment for specific muscle training are explored as Simmons recounts recovery from various injuries, drawing on his own extensive experience and experimentation.
- 01:25:00 - 01:32:00
In conclusion, Simmonsโs unyielding attitude towards overcoming injury has led to innovations like the reverse hyper and novel training methods that not only boosted his recoveries but transformed how injuries could be approached in strength sports.
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What is the main topic of the podcast?
The podcast reviews Louis Simmons's injuries and the methods he used to recover.
What was one of Louis Simmons's significant injuries?
In 1973, Simmons suffered a fracture of L5 and injuries to his SI joint.
How did Simmons recover from his L5 fracture?
He developed the reverse hyperextension exercise, aiding his recovery.
What is the benefit of the reverse hyperexercise?
It aids spinal recovery and helps prevent future back injuries.
What philosophy does Simmons follow for recovery?
He promotes adapting and learning from injuries, focusing on correct training techniques.
Did Simmons have any surgeries for his injuries?
Simmons avoided surgeries whenever possible, opting for exercises and techniques he developed.
What kind of exercises did Simmons focus on?
He emphasizes reverse hypers, static abs, and flexibility exercises.
Why does Simmons not trust advice from all professionals?
Simmons believes personal experience and problem-solving helped him more than conventional medical advice.
How did injuries help Simmons?
His injuries led to the development of training methods that keep athletes injury-free.
What advice does Simmons offer for those recovering from injuries?
To learn correct training techniques and stay mentally resilient.
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- 00:00:01welcome to the Westside barell podcast
- 00:00:04today's topic is a review of Louis
- 00:00:07Simmons's injuries and the methods he
- 00:00:09used to recover from them Lou's injuries
- 00:00:12is a double-edged sword because due to
- 00:00:14all that he put his body through has
- 00:00:16allowed us to train pretty much 99.9%
- 00:00:20injury free now Lou this is a long list
- 00:00:23of injuries we can go through um but I'd
- 00:00:26like to start off I think really at in
- 00:00:2973 that's possible with um you had a L5
- 00:00:32fracture and a sux SI joint so take us
- 00:00:37through when that happened how it
- 00:00:38occurred and what you did to recover
- 00:00:41from that injury okay Tom uh remember
- 00:00:43guys this is what I did to recover
- 00:00:45myself I'm not telling you to do any of
- 00:00:47this uh but it's worked great for me it
- 00:00:50enabled me to make top 10 in the world
- 00:00:52for 34 years I was a national regular
- 00:00:55holder 1971 national champion in 2000 in
- 00:00:582004 I was in the bench when I was 57 I
- 00:01:01was 10th in the deadlift and um you know
- 00:01:04I did it out of learning how to train
- 00:01:05correctly after banging myself up so
- 00:01:07basically I will start back in 73 in
- 00:01:091973 I just made a 1655 total at that
- 00:01:13time at 180 lbs there was two hours
- 00:01:15weins no gear of any kind wasn't even
- 00:01:18allowed to wear wrist trp in 1973 ipf
- 00:01:20had just been started Olympic weight
- 00:01:23lifting belt no power belts is around no
- 00:01:25no suits no rapid War things that that's
- 00:01:27it uh in the worlds in in November 72 to
- 00:01:30I Was Won by um Bob McGee he totaled
- 00:01:331635 so I actually hit 20 lbs more than
- 00:01:36what had just won the World
- 00:01:37Championships I just jumped in from
- 00:01:39November uh in 72 I had done
- 00:01:421555 and so in three months later I
- 00:01:44jumped 100 pounds of my total basically
- 00:01:47by doing a lot of mental training but um
- 00:01:49I lived on good mornings I was able to
- 00:01:51do 435 for five in the benover good
- 00:01:54morning I pyramided all the way up and I
- 00:01:55pyramided all the way back down and at
- 00:01:573:15 I worked up in five reps segments
- 00:02:00but then going back down when I hit 315
- 00:02:02it was 10 reps and then 275 for 10 2 and
- 00:02:05A4 for 10 and then 20 18 185 and 20 135
- 00:02:10well the good morning was the key to all
- 00:02:11my success but I lost my concentration
- 00:02:14and that's when I occurred this injury
- 00:02:16and uh so I was going to all kind of
- 00:02:18people no one no one seemed to be able
- 00:02:20to fix me at all so I I was going to
- 00:02:22have to fix myself I was on crutches for
- 00:02:2510 months I couldn't St on ear lay
- 00:02:27because of stica and I mean no matter
- 00:02:29what I did I couldn't do it I couldn't
- 00:02:30do good mornings back Rays side bins I
- 00:02:32lived on that 180 lb side bins I also
- 00:02:35had a 670 lb deadlift in that contest I
- 00:02:38couldn't squatter dead couldn't do
- 00:02:39anything couldn't work so one day I you
- 00:02:42know I was trying to do back raises and
- 00:02:43just by applying pressure to my ankles
- 00:02:45to raise my torso it would kill me so I
- 00:02:48was thinking one day by myself what if I
- 00:02:51did it in reverse so I decided take my
- 00:02:53go home and get in the power rack I
- 00:02:55trained in my garage actually at that
- 00:02:56time my basement um I put up um a couple
- 00:03:00two by tens on the safety pins in the
- 00:03:02power rack and got up and I swung my
- 00:03:03feet under and um lifted my feet to the
- 00:03:06RAR in no pain for the first time in
- 00:03:08basically a year and it also pumped up
- 00:03:11my back so I knew I had something so
- 00:03:13that's that was how I started reverse
- 00:03:15hyper exercise I'm sure people were
- 00:03:17doing this over in Europe uh you know a
- 00:03:20hundred years before this but I didn't
- 00:03:22know it and uh you know I just come ACR
- 00:03:24Cent and that it it saved me nowadays
- 00:03:26we've had actually six United States
- 00:03:28patents and international patents on
- 00:03:29this machine um so basically that's how
- 00:03:33it started and then in 19 um so how I
- 00:03:37recovered was basically by doing the
- 00:03:38reverse hypers doing reverse hypers and
- 00:03:40abs and trying to stretch I recovered
- 00:03:43and actually to the point back in in um
- 00:03:45you know by 1978 I was back to top 10
- 00:03:48fourth in the dead I pulled 710 at 195
- 00:03:51and uh so I I made a pretty good
- 00:03:53recovery but unfortunately U I broke it
- 00:03:55again in 1981 early
- 00:03:581981 and I I knew knew that I'd done it
- 00:04:00but I didn't want to admit it to myself
- 00:04:02so I just kept training right up the end
- 00:04:04of the year and I finally got smashed
- 00:04:06and so I went and saw a surgeon here in
- 00:04:08Columbus Ohio um the surgeon wanted to
- 00:04:11uh remove two discs take off bone spurs
- 00:04:13and fuse my lower back he told me to
- 00:04:15come back in a couple days and we would
- 00:04:17talk more about I said okay doc I never
- 00:04:18went back uh I basically said no way
- 00:04:21Jose I'm not doing this and um uh so I I
- 00:04:25went home and I started doing I went
- 00:04:27back to doing reverse hypers oh by the
- 00:04:29way I couldn't lay down this time for 17
- 00:04:31weeks I could not lean myself backwards
- 00:04:34he hurt too bad so um I believe I broke
- 00:04:37my upper back the same time but no one
- 00:04:39paid attention to that but basically I
- 00:04:41went back and I started doing reverse
- 00:04:42hypers acupuncture and ACU pressure I
- 00:04:45had a really good acupuncture sh at the
- 00:04:47time and and then stretching um and and
- 00:04:50again so I recovered to the point I was
- 00:04:52in 1971 in 200 2005 or 6 when I was 57 I
- 00:04:56pulled a 715 dead Point 217
- 00:05:00and uh also in um when I was 63 years
- 00:05:02old I pulled 675 in the me at 2117 so I
- 00:05:06fully recover there nothing wrong my
- 00:05:07back today I mean I I learned how to
- 00:05:10prevent a bad back you know there's so
- 00:05:12many EX uh experts out there experts on
- 00:05:15uh you know bad backs I think I'm an
- 00:05:17expert on a healthy back so I think you
- 00:05:19ought to look for someone knows how to
- 00:05:21keep a back healthy instead of go in and
- 00:05:23and have do nothing for you cuz that's
- 00:05:25exactly what this the the spot I was in
- 00:05:28back in 197 3 and I didn't go to anyone
- 00:05:311981 I did it myself so anyhow that's
- 00:05:35how my you know my back started so I
- 00:05:37realize also at that time you have to do
- 00:05:39a lot of ABS I started doing a lot of
- 00:05:41standup ABS sta static ABS your your
- 00:05:44rectus abdominals you're not doing
- 00:05:46setups when you live they have to be
- 00:05:48very strong especially the obliques this
- 00:05:50is all for all sports but particularly
- 00:05:52for ours where you stand with massive
- 00:05:54weights on your back so a lot of oblique
- 00:05:56work a lot of abdominal work static
- 00:05:57stuff I do it as standup abs in a lap
- 00:06:00machine I do a lot of just static stuff
- 00:06:01almost like Ping with someone and uh
- 00:06:04also nowadays what we do uh is a lot of
- 00:06:08reverse hypers of course and belt squats
- 00:06:10we stand the belt squat machine there's
- 00:06:12a chiropractor here in town who use belt
- 00:06:13squat he calls it the spinal liner both
- 00:06:16these exercises you can do enormous
- 00:06:17amount of tonnage in and at the same
- 00:06:19time they're traction devices and a few
- 00:06:22other things I do make sure you um have
- 00:06:25a couple traction U machines in your gym
- 00:06:27I have a traction machine in verse table
- 00:06:29a know a good one from the chiropractor
- 00:06:31I have a neck traction machine so uh we
- 00:06:34do a lot of that and you know why I'm on
- 00:06:36the why I'm on the subject too um Tom
- 00:06:39you saw my Mr eyes my neck and my upper
- 00:06:41back it's just basically fused together
- 00:06:44and I can never get an arch and a bench
- 00:06:46or a squat and so I found out by taking
- 00:06:50this
- 00:06:51ball and I put this in my lower back and
- 00:06:54how a lot of people bench prush you've
- 00:06:56seen it where they pull their heels up
- 00:06:57under you drive their feet down and you
- 00:06:59know keep a B on the bench and Arch this
- 00:07:01this brought back my lower back um um
- 00:07:04flexibility where I could Arch then I
- 00:07:06just thought well my upper back is so
- 00:07:08bad why not start rolling it up so I
- 00:07:10rolled it into to the thoracic and on on
- 00:07:12up and I would get on a bench put it on
- 00:07:14my back and my shoulders would be about
- 00:07:16that far off the bench I load up a bar
- 00:07:18in P in a bench press put up on it and
- 00:07:20literally forc my traps down to the to
- 00:07:22the bench that's how I gain range of
- 00:07:24motion and get my range of motion back
- 00:07:26in my upper spine and I really highly
- 00:07:29recommended it
- 00:07:30not only uh does this work it also
- 00:07:32stretches out the Seas and one thing U
- 00:07:35John can may maybe come up with why
- 00:07:37reverse hypers work we do a lot I have a
- 00:07:40a dual pens of reverse hypers we do a
- 00:07:43lot of one-legged reverse hypers and
- 00:07:45basically when you get on the machine
- 00:07:46and do this it'll stretch out the so as
- 00:07:48it's an open chain exercise and John I
- 00:07:50could you just explain briefly about
- 00:07:52what it does yeah the the reverse effer
- 00:07:55does a lot of
- 00:07:56stuff uh one of the big things except
- 00:07:59especially for lifters that it does is
- 00:08:01it enables it gets back functionality
- 00:08:04back into the spine and by functionality
- 00:08:06I mean the actual uh joint segments of
- 00:08:08the lumbar spine so a lot of times when
- 00:08:10you're deadlifting when you're squatting
- 00:08:12there's an isometric contraction in the
- 00:08:14lumbar spine and you're trying not to
- 00:08:15move it right well what happens is the
- 00:08:18as you become very good at is holding
- 00:08:20the isometric contraction it's going to
- 00:08:22create a lot of uh compression on the
- 00:08:23disc especially if you're loading it in
- 00:08:25a squat stuff like that what the uh
- 00:08:28reverse hyper does
- 00:08:30when you're in the bent pendulum
- 00:08:31especially it drives you into uh hip
- 00:08:34flexion even more in a traction position
- 00:08:37and it enables the uh discs uh or the
- 00:08:41the spinal joints to start to segment
- 00:08:43and when I mean segment Envision like a
- 00:08:45train going over a track if you got if
- 00:08:48you each cart you want to go over one at
- 00:08:50a time and what that is is very it's
- 00:08:53very therapeutic for the disc while at
- 00:08:55the same time you're training the disc
- 00:08:56to increase the biological capacity of
- 00:08:59what those discs and do so you're really
- 00:09:01mitigating injury it's very therapeutic
- 00:09:03and it's it's going to enable you to
- 00:09:05lift a lot longer um you know currently
- 00:09:08we have 24 800lb deadlifters getting
- 00:09:11ready be number 25 our top 10 deadlift
- 00:09:14average is 866 lb our top five is 890 lb
- 00:09:18we have no back injuries we live on
- 00:09:20reverse hypers our formula for uh
- 00:09:23basically training is the volume of your
- 00:09:25squat if you well you know how we do the
- 00:09:27volume of squat we do 25 squ you you
- 00:09:30multiply that and then you come up with
- 00:09:31the total volume but our reverse hypers
- 00:09:34is four times the volume of our squats
- 00:09:36and it's done twice a week on speed day
- 00:09:38on speed strength day and Max effort day
- 00:09:40so we do enormous amount of reverse
- 00:09:42hypers I'm talking 60,000 lounds and
- 00:09:44more so and why do we do that it's a
- 00:09:47single joint motion uh like John was
- 00:09:49talking about it it rotates it rotates
- 00:09:51the sacrum am I right yeah uh builds the
- 00:09:53spinal rectors the glutes and the
- 00:09:55hamstrings it builds them all together
- 00:09:56so you do not have any muscle imbalances
- 00:09:58too many people have tremendously strong
- 00:10:00backs and but no glutes they can't lock
- 00:10:02out weights they want why they get up
- 00:10:04their legs are bent they can't lock it
- 00:10:05out because their glutes are weak so
- 00:10:07this is a a tremendous glute Builder as
- 00:10:09well and you know basically all you
- 00:10:11traff Elites out there a lot of top
- 00:10:13track guys will do a lot of isolation
- 00:10:15isometrics on the glute muscles so
- 00:10:17that's exactly what we do so um uh
- 00:10:20that's why it's so important to do that
- 00:10:21and we also do it in the belt Squad and
- 00:10:23the hamstrings too because if you look
- 00:10:25at the hamstrings you're training the
- 00:10:26hamstrings from an open chain yes cuz
- 00:10:28the reverse hypers if you look at the uh
- 00:10:30the fibers of the hamstring they're
- 00:10:32rather linear right and so a lot of
- 00:10:35people like for instance the inverse leg
- 00:10:36curl was a closed chain one to train the
- 00:10:38hamstrings but the reverse hyper would
- 00:10:40be a complement of a open chain to also
- 00:10:43train the hamstrings so you capture both
- 00:10:45open and closed chain movements uh years
- 00:10:47ago I had a lady here she ran track for
- 00:10:49Ohio State the Nast West and then
- 00:10:51decided so I worked with her for track
- 00:10:53and helped the track times out
- 00:10:55enormously but um she ended up being a
- 00:10:57holding world record in squat years with
- 00:10:59barely any gears quad 567 163 they they
- 00:11:03had her go to Ohio State and exercise
- 00:11:04Fizz lab and tell her hamstering quad
- 00:11:06ratio her hamstring were 60 quad 40 it's
- 00:11:09supposedly one it's highest to ever
- 00:11:11rested High state by a mile and they
- 00:11:13Wonder know how I done it and I told
- 00:11:14them well come on down I got 10 people
- 00:11:16test like this why because of the the
- 00:11:18nature of how we train all posterior
- 00:11:20train change posterior trains everything
- 00:11:22so it's all reverse hypers uh glued ham
- 00:11:24iners curls once we get into in a little
- 00:11:26bit but that's how we protect oursel
- 00:11:28from injuries remember
- 00:11:30single joint why why all you College
- 00:11:33people out there and you go into class
- 00:11:34your exercise Fist and you're only
- 00:11:36allowed to do single joint exercises for
- 00:11:38your thesis because they consider
- 00:11:40multijoint exercise like daily Squad
- 00:11:42bench too dangerous P clean so they want
- 00:11:44you to work one joint and um and uh a
- 00:11:48lot of times on sideb machine at that so
- 00:11:50that's exactly I follow this we work we
- 00:11:52train in single joint that way whatever
- 00:11:54the weakest portion of your back is or
- 00:11:56or I mean your body we can put the most
- 00:11:59emphas in to decrease muscle and
- 00:12:01balances and that's why we don't have
- 00:12:02any injuries now Louis when you were
- 00:12:06overcoming your injuries in 73 and 81
- 00:12:08there were surely some exercises that
- 00:12:10you found that were no go especially in
- 00:12:13in the rehabilitation of lower back was
- 00:12:15there any I could not do any I could not
- 00:12:18squat I could not deadlift I lived I did
- 00:12:20180 lb side deadlifts I could not do
- 00:12:23side V period um back raises I I use 135
- 00:12:27for sets of five in the back rais could
- 00:12:29not begin to do a back race soon as I
- 00:12:31put pressure on my heels my lower back
- 00:12:32would kill me and I mean I couldn't work
- 00:12:35I I mean I was out I was gone and I mean
- 00:12:38there's literally no exercise I could do
- 00:12:41and uh so like I said by in my opinion
- 00:12:44pure luck but you know I just thought of
- 00:12:46a simple way what if I did a back raise
- 00:12:48in reverse and that's how it works I'm
- 00:12:50doing the reverse hyper you know it's
- 00:12:52it's it's a everyday staple here at West
- 00:12:54site but are you doing a disservice and
- 00:12:57we talk about a stomach if you don't
- 00:12:58train your stomach as much as you do the
- 00:13:00reverse hyper no the stomach in my
- 00:13:02opinion your stomach has to be the
- 00:13:03strongest mus in the body you know when
- 00:13:05you're born you're connected to your
- 00:13:06mother through your stomach and then
- 00:13:09when you anyone that picks up a weight
- 00:13:11or pushes what do you
- 00:13:12do right first thing you do you better
- 00:13:15take a gulp of air and hold it and uh
- 00:13:18and you you want to hold it in your
- 00:13:19stomach not in your chest you want to
- 00:13:21hold it in your stomach so that's um
- 00:13:24that's why I believe the stomach is so
- 00:13:25important that's why I mentioned doing
- 00:13:26um um just stand up ABS I do a lot of
- 00:13:29static abs and if you talk to a lot
- 00:13:31again like talk tra people they think
- 00:13:33any ab exercise is [ย __ย ] except for
- 00:13:35side bands and static ABS that's all
- 00:13:37they think you should do so I mean I
- 00:13:40just by what me I do that but I also do
- 00:13:42a lot of leg raises to me it's Mobility
- 00:13:45I lay down and pull my my feet over my
- 00:13:46head and um bent leg straight leg with
- 00:13:49weights years ago Matt demo was one of
- 00:13:51our is our first world record hor in a
- 00:13:53squad did th10 it held up back with
- 00:13:55party inie gar H up for seven years and
- 00:13:58Matt would do great leg setups with his
- 00:14:00feet with a barbell behind his back a
- 00:14:02barbell he could just set up 115 lbs now
- 00:14:05Paul chers is right behind that and Paul
- 00:14:07end up squ doing better gears Paul squ
- 00:14:09around 1160 and Paul I think was doing
- 00:14:11them with like 100 or a little more but
- 00:14:14you got but you know as John would tell
- 00:14:16you your hip flexors is going to be
- 00:14:17involved in all this you want to build
- 00:14:18all the muscle groups but um a lot of
- 00:14:21ABS you got to train your abs every day
- 00:14:22I mean I I believe you should go in the
- 00:14:24gym here's how I warm up I I I don't
- 00:14:28think anyone should ever stret before
- 00:14:29day train stretching should be another
- 00:14:31workout on the squat and bench days on
- 00:14:33the two days a week I Comm in I would do
- 00:14:35two sets reverse hypers and
- 00:14:37abs that's how I warmed up or I pulled a
- 00:14:40sled and I would do a couple set abs and
- 00:14:43I was ready to go that was my I was
- 00:14:45ready I would squat I'm I'm my activity
- 00:14:47squatting I'm warming up in squat
- 00:14:49deadlift I'm going warm up in the
- 00:14:50deadlift my deadlift I would start I
- 00:14:52mean I'm not the greatest you know but I
- 00:14:53would start my dead list with 345 and
- 00:14:55turn 20 lb of band tension I didn't put
- 00:14:58a plate on and plate I started with that
- 00:15:00weight with 220 lb of band tension you
- 00:15:02know I I mean I was I could pull over
- 00:15:03700 pretty easy you know in my 50s and
- 00:15:06uh but that's how I did it so I never
- 00:15:08had an injury never hurt myself one done
- 00:15:11um what's the correct way to execute a
- 00:15:14reverse hyper how to do it I know a lot
- 00:15:16of people do it incorrect but um should
- 00:15:19you try limit the range of motion should
- 00:15:21you go through a full range of motion
- 00:15:23should go fast should go slow is there a
- 00:15:25correct way to do it they have to be
- 00:15:27controlled and I think I'm just going to
- 00:15:29let John explain why you have to take
- 00:15:31your get the feet underneath I mean
- 00:15:33that's actually why a lot of our patents
- 00:15:35are patented the range of motion and
- 00:15:37I'll let John explain why how to do a
- 00:15:39reverse hyper and why we do it that way
- 00:15:42yeah from uh I think you can use the
- 00:15:45reverse hyper it's a good machine
- 00:15:47because you can use it in a multitude of
- 00:15:49ways from a therapeutic perspective if
- 00:15:51you're trying to enhance spinal
- 00:15:53functionality you want to take it
- 00:15:55through the full range with a load that
- 00:15:57is safe right right so all biological
- 00:16:00tissues have a load absorbing capacity
- 00:16:03right and as long as you stay under that
- 00:16:05capacity you're not going to injure
- 00:16:07yourself right now in order to increase
- 00:16:10the capacity of any tissues you got to
- 00:16:12stress them meaning you have to go into
- 00:16:14those dangerous ranges and you got to
- 00:16:17actually train them when I do a reverse
- 00:16:20hyper to try to increase the
- 00:16:21functionality of my spine I basically
- 00:16:24contracts my glutes and my hamstrings uh
- 00:16:27and I go up to almost parallel
- 00:16:29or there about doesn't have to be
- 00:16:31exactly parallel but you want to get
- 00:16:33Motion in the vertebrae right in a
- 00:16:35straight line in a straight line right
- 00:16:37and so then what happens is I let it go
- 00:16:39under however I control it as it goes
- 00:16:41under so it's a controlled Ecentric but
- 00:16:44for me personally I try to take my legs
- 00:16:47as far under as possible because that's
- 00:16:50I think really where the magic of the
- 00:16:52machine happens right because now you
- 00:16:54know if you look at all these studies
- 00:16:56where they say spinal flexions dangerous
- 00:16:58spinal flexions d dangerous well if
- 00:17:00spinal flexion is dangerous and we know
- 00:17:02that we don't have capacity in those
- 00:17:03ranges as lifters or athletes or just
- 00:17:06everyday humans you want to go into
- 00:17:08those ranges start to capture those
- 00:17:10ranges increase capacity in those ranges
- 00:17:12so that you start to mitigate injury so
- 00:17:14I let I let it go under and I try to
- 00:17:16take it under using basically my hip
- 00:17:18flexor my soaz quadron Bor iliac like
- 00:17:21that whole soaz complex try and actually
- 00:17:23take it under but I I want to control it
- 00:17:25the entire time and the entire time I'm
- 00:17:28also I have my hands on the handle and
- 00:17:31I'm trying to traction your thco lumbar
- 00:17:34fascia your lats all that stuff so that
- 00:17:36you get a very good mechanical force
- 00:17:38into those tissues so you get
- 00:17:40functionality into those tissues so that
- 00:17:42now you have a good functioning spine
- 00:17:44now let's go load the spine what John
- 00:17:47was saying is exactly I do when I go
- 00:17:49underneath I actually slide off the
- 00:17:50machine and then when I come up I pull
- 00:17:53myself back up I slide out pull back up
- 00:17:55slide out pull back up yeah and and he
- 00:17:58brought up the point point he said
- 00:17:59eccentrically the reverse hyper people
- 00:18:02swing the reverse hyper it has Ecentric
- 00:18:04concentric and a static portion and if
- 00:18:06you do it totally correctly think this
- 00:18:09guys you start the action with your
- 00:18:11heels you start to pull with your heels
- 00:18:14contract you of course your calves and
- 00:18:15your hamstrings and your glutes and your
- 00:18:17spinal recors to that direction but
- 00:18:19start with the heel let it um circulate
- 00:18:22up into the low back and and the glutes
- 00:18:24right and the cool part about that is so
- 00:18:26that's the way that I do it to increase
- 00:18:27spinal functionality yes right but then
- 00:18:30the what he what Lou was talking about
- 00:18:32earlier about actually loading the spine
- 00:18:34and really increasing it so that you
- 00:18:36don't get uh uh out of balance from all
- 00:18:39the deadlifts and the squats now on that
- 00:18:41one you're probably going to shorten the
- 00:18:42range and not go under as
- 00:18:44much but we go under pretty far I mean
- 00:18:47I've actually got guys they use 50% of
- 00:18:49her Squat and i' I've had two 1200lb
- 00:18:51squatters that do the math yeah yeah you
- 00:18:54know like the day we got a new kid he
- 00:18:56was using 400 lb for 35 reps all right
- 00:18:59he's a he he can de about 810 right now
- 00:19:02so and he's a his a squats 940 he's tall
- 00:19:06built a deadlift but we're going to
- 00:19:08raise those lifts up so we do remember
- 00:19:10four times of volume that's how much we
- 00:19:11pay attention and also um years ago
- 00:19:14coach joa at the time he was Minnesota
- 00:19:16and he bought three reverse hypers I
- 00:19:17told him he could train his lower back 5
- 00:19:19days a week he said nobody could train
- 00:19:21your lower back 5 days a week I said I'm
- 00:19:22telling you you can do it a month later
- 00:19:24he bought three more machines then I got
- 00:19:26a phone call from Minnesota min soda
- 00:19:29exercise Fizz lab and they want to know
- 00:19:30if I knew why you could use the machine
- 00:19:33five times a week because they were
- 00:19:34doing just that and I go be honest with
- 00:19:35you I don't I don't and they told me it
- 00:19:38open it opens up the disc andow the
- 00:19:39spine will float into the spine every
- 00:19:41time you use it so we do them no less
- 00:19:43than four times a week two very heavy
- 00:19:46high volume very heavy and and two about
- 00:19:4850% of that particular I like them on
- 00:19:50the bench press day or after you Squad
- 00:19:52deal if go back in the next day and do
- 00:19:53them again it takes all your soreness
- 00:19:55anybody sits at the desk just walk in do
- 00:19:58a set of reverse hypers and your Pain's
- 00:19:59all
- 00:20:01gone so what what do you say to those
- 00:20:04that think the reverse hyper is
- 00:20:06dangerous well
- 00:20:09they're they're um unn knowledgeable
- 00:20:12they've never used it you know there's a
- 00:20:13lot I hear a lot of guys talk about
- 00:20:14reverse hyper I'll guarantee you they've
- 00:20:16never used one and everybody knows about
- 00:20:18Westside but they never been here you
- 00:20:21got to come to Westside everybody T all
- 00:20:24they they can train a West Side don't
- 00:20:25they until they show up and what happens
- 00:20:27to them they're on
- 00:20:29needs they can't I mean and and we never
- 00:20:32I would never try to do that they cannot
- 00:20:33do the training it takes a month or two
- 00:20:36it actually takes 10 months to acquire
- 00:20:37the ability to do the volume that we do
- 00:20:40that's why we broke way over 100 World
- 00:20:42Records right around 140 world and yeah
- 00:20:45we're still breaking World Records right
- 00:20:48we just broke one two three weeks ago
- 00:20:50yeah and I think as long as you have the
- 00:20:52prerequisites required and you know how
- 00:20:54to load your tissues you know your
- 00:20:56threshold you know where you're at it's
- 00:20:58not not D dangerous at all the problem
- 00:21:00is people don't they get in the machine
- 00:21:02they have no concept of what what
- 00:21:04they're supposed to be doing with it
- 00:21:05they don't know the form they don't
- 00:21:07understand the technique the mechanics
- 00:21:08of what's going on and they don't
- 00:21:10understand that you know Progressive
- 00:21:12overload you need to start somewhere and
- 00:21:14it's not going to be at the top you need
- 00:21:16to learn how to do it then you need to
- 00:21:17progressively start to overload the
- 00:21:19tissues you also have to be on a real
- 00:21:21reverse hyper yeah a real don't get on a
- 00:21:24piece of junk that people sell you know
- 00:21:26a lot of people you know one of my I
- 00:21:28have a trade Mar and and it says often
- 00:21:30imitated always irritated because every
- 00:21:32time I turn around someone's trying to
- 00:21:34copy what we're doing and you know
- 00:21:36that's okay I I don't they say it's a
- 00:21:37form of flattery I don't care I don't
- 00:21:39even I don't care about these people I'm
- 00:21:40not going to expose their name because
- 00:21:41they don't deserve any credit for doing
- 00:21:44anything yeah and from um a therapy
- 00:21:48point of view if you had someone who
- 00:21:50just committ off the street how would
- 00:21:51you run them through a reverse hyper
- 00:21:53protocol John yeah so I mean I work in a
- 00:21:56in a medical setting uh with people that
- 00:21:58have legitimate pathology uh in in the
- 00:22:01spine and it it all depends on the
- 00:22:04individual I mean one of the things that
- 00:22:06you know uh I talk about a lot is people
- 00:22:09can't they don't segment their spine
- 00:22:11they the lumbar spine doesn't function
- 00:22:13and that's the reason why they're having
- 00:22:14issues so I need to put them in a
- 00:22:16setting where I can start to get their
- 00:22:18lumbar spine to segment and where we can
- 00:22:20start to get it to function now a lot of
- 00:22:23people uh maybe in the physical therapy
- 00:22:25or therapeutic side of it will get
- 00:22:28people and they'll do what's called a
- 00:22:29cat camel uh which is where you're
- 00:22:32trying to uh get the the spine to fully
- 00:22:35flex and extend it's it's kind of like a
- 00:22:37yoga thing too um that's a good thing to
- 00:22:40do however the problem is there's no way
- 00:22:42to progressively overload that so you're
- 00:22:45you're acquiring maybe more function but
- 00:22:48you're not increasing the capacity of
- 00:22:49the tissues because there's no external
- 00:22:51load so what I do is I use the reverse
- 00:22:54hyper to pretty much do the same thing
- 00:22:57uh except we have a load now so now we
- 00:23:01can start to externally load those
- 00:23:02tissues so that we can start to not only
- 00:23:04increase the functionality of the
- 00:23:05individual spine but also increase the
- 00:23:07capacity of their biological tissues to
- 00:23:09start to mitigate injury uh at the same
- 00:23:12time yeah I want bring up a point too
- 00:23:15you talk about people bending over and
- 00:23:16they shouldn't bend over but migrant
- 00:23:18workers bend over all the time pick up
- 00:23:20fruit they have no back problems and
- 00:23:22also U our biggest de of 915 with no
- 00:23:24gear Chris spegel pulls 95% stiffly he
- 00:23:28barely just knee flexion leg straight
- 00:23:31and pulls up 9915 in uh years ago vinc
- 00:23:34Tommy I know you saw pictures of V you
- 00:23:36saw pole 810 I saw pole 821 uh 99%
- 00:23:40straight leg bent over dead and KK the
- 00:23:43great you know the great guy from
- 00:23:44overseas I PS 947 how's he deadly all
- 00:23:47been over you know what I mean they
- 00:23:48don't have back problems they have
- 00:23:50strong backs right yeah and think about
- 00:23:53it and I mean it's just like we say all
- 00:23:54the time is you know people you know
- 00:23:56people will say hey this exercise is is
- 00:23:58dangerous and that's dangerous but it's
- 00:24:00only dangerous if you don't understand
- 00:24:02the mechanics of it and you don't
- 00:24:04understand what your capacity is the
- 00:24:05only way to increase you know people can
- 00:24:07say the bench press is dangerous for
- 00:24:09your shoulders and bad for your s but if
- 00:24:12the bench press has got prerequisites if
- 00:24:13you don't have the required
- 00:24:14prerequisites then yeah it is going to
- 00:24:16be detrimental to you right but but
- 00:24:18that's the thing is it's not dangerous
- 00:24:20and technically if we know that a lot of
- 00:24:22disc issues occur in uh flexion of the
- 00:24:25spine then we should probably start to
- 00:24:27go into flexion of the
- 00:24:29and train it if you get hit in the face
- 00:24:30all the time you better learn to put
- 00:24:31your hands up right yeah yeah you know I
- 00:24:35think the most dangerous thing in a gym
- 00:24:37or in a a setting where you have to
- 00:24:39train athletes as the instructor if he's
- 00:24:41unn knowledgeable you have a lot of
- 00:24:42injuries I I know of cases uh 40% of
- 00:24:47athletes are hurt in D1 schools
- 00:24:5040% yeah that is insane well it's like
- 00:24:53this thing about it is let's say that
- 00:24:55you get a you get a soft tissue strain
- 00:24:57where you you've torn some some sort of
- 00:24:58connective tissue right then people will
- 00:25:00say rest that okay well realistically
- 00:25:03you shouldn't be looking how to rest it
- 00:25:05right you should be looking okay how can
- 00:25:07I start to load this tissue right in a
- 00:25:09safe setting so that I can start to get
- 00:25:11good stressor inputs so that I'm going
- 00:25:13to start to increase and Aid in the
- 00:25:14healing process does that make sense
- 00:25:17well John I know you bodybuild a lot you
- 00:25:19know your legs would be sore and I know
- 00:25:20the massive reps you do I helped you a
- 00:25:22couple times but if you went the next
- 00:25:23day in your sore what what' you do you
- 00:25:25want got in leg press a few reps of
- 00:25:26soreness one away right exactly it
- 00:25:28didn't make a Mor sore it took it away
- 00:25:30right and so you know you can't be a
- 00:25:31puss all your life you actually got to
- 00:25:33train uh the only way to become at a
- 00:25:35high level athlete is adaptation you
- 00:25:37have to do a higher volume on a on a
- 00:25:41basic method of attaining that over
- 00:25:43years and also taking your one rep max
- 00:25:46uh percentages up slightly all the time
- 00:25:49that's the key to training right so what
- 00:25:50you said is it's a process it's process
- 00:25:52and so that's the thing is you got to
- 00:25:54invest time into the process it's not
- 00:25:55something that's going to occur
- 00:25:56overnight you got to learn the mechanics
- 00:25:58of it you got to understand what you're
- 00:26:00trying to do and you got to
- 00:26:01progressively start to overload those
- 00:26:04tissues and that would make it safe you
- 00:26:06know what I mean right I mean tomm you
- 00:26:08see how many times like I silent Joe I
- 00:26:10know he probably trains no no less than
- 00:26:12eight times and maybe 10 now he's he
- 00:26:14trains like I did when I could train he
- 00:26:15does real 8 to 10 real workouts a week
- 00:26:19he's gone from uh you know basically I
- 00:26:22don't know maybe 1,800 to 2235 in 2
- 00:26:25years at 198 pull 7 to quarter deadlift
- 00:26:279 B squat so he's jumped way up how by
- 00:26:31doing and he's massively thick very
- 00:26:33muscular yeah isn't probably the the
- 00:26:37most dangerous thing you can be is weak
- 00:26:39that's probably well and then think
- 00:26:41about what what makes you weak not
- 00:26:43having stressors to come into the system
- 00:26:45so that's where it always goes back to I
- 00:26:47don't care how strong someone is if
- 00:26:49you're deadlifting and you're trying to
- 00:26:50do Max effort work or even if you're
- 00:26:52doing repetition method eventually your
- 00:26:55your your uh mechanics are going to fail
- 00:26:57and you're going to go into more more
- 00:26:58flexion now you better hope that you've
- 00:27:01trained your discs to handle that that
- 00:27:03load cuz if not now you're now you're
- 00:27:05going to injure yourself but if you go
- 00:27:07into the reverse hyper and you start to
- 00:27:09build up the capacities of those tissues
- 00:27:11you it now you can mitigate injury or
- 00:27:13even totally prevent it from occurring
- 00:27:16that's why you need great internal
- 00:27:17abdominal pressure that's why you want
- 00:27:19to push out on your belt I don't know
- 00:27:21where people get sunking in on you know
- 00:27:23sunking your stomach in it's [ย __ย ] uh
- 00:27:26you have to push out in your belt the
- 00:27:27more pressure you have abominal the less
- 00:27:29pre on spinal cord I was in a thesis
- 00:27:31back in the early ' 80s to prove that
- 00:27:33for wi one in my stomach and one in my
- 00:27:35thoracic area and um you know we proved
- 00:27:38what a weightlifting belt does everyone
- 00:27:39theorized what it did but no one knew
- 00:27:42actually one of my first um athletes
- 00:27:44Mariah Li PhD and exercise Fizz you know
- 00:27:47it was her study and I was the first one
- 00:27:48to be in the study over 20 people so
- 00:27:52yeah well if we progress on
- 00:27:55from your first injury of a long list of
- 00:27:58injuries you've had um in 79 is that the
- 00:28:02first time you tore a bicep off yeah 79
- 00:28:05I mean that's a that's a small one we'll
- 00:28:07go to 79 I turn my bicep off um you know
- 00:28:10I had um I had a 462 bench and I opened
- 00:28:13up 677 deadlift and I I pulled it easy
- 00:28:17it's called the meat was called melt
- 00:28:18down to Mississippi because it's so
- 00:28:20humid and um a man called brother Benny
- 00:28:23started adfpa he had no air conditioning
- 00:28:26so everybody was dropping the bar and I
- 00:28:27locked it out and before I got a down
- 00:28:29Signal Company start slipping they don't
- 00:28:31get me down to my bicep off now John can
- 00:28:33explain what happened to my arm I have
- 00:28:35no arm all right and uh but so power
- 00:28:39liting us say Mike Lambert said that uh
- 00:28:41in the next issue he said Louis was done
- 00:28:43well I got back course on uh I got back
- 00:28:45Sunday night from the Meet Mississippi
- 00:28:48and I had two surgeons all set up I went
- 00:28:50actually three two of them said operate
- 00:28:52and the third said if you don't care
- 00:28:53what it looks like don't operate well I
- 00:28:54don't care what it looks like I'm not
- 00:28:55the prettiest kind so I started training
- 00:28:58and I immediately went out and how I
- 00:29:00recovered from that oh well what I did I
- 00:29:02went back in the gym and I started on a
- 00:29:04high pin lifting uh 7:05 off a high pin
- 00:29:08and then week after week I lowered it
- 00:29:09all right and I just and and I mean I'll
- 00:29:13die from Li two weeks later guys in
- 00:29:15Black help one of the strongest gyms in
- 00:29:17the country back then Steve Wilson hos
- 00:29:19the boss and some guys came down i i r b
- 00:29:22485 now on that mean I bed 460 touch you
- 00:29:24go 485 my arm is still black and blue I
- 00:29:27just want to see what would happened I
- 00:29:28said well hell I got these guys here
- 00:29:30let's find out and so 6 months later
- 00:29:33when they said I was done I went to uh
- 00:29:35the Y Nations which is T me with Roger
- 00:29:37East being World Regular I went there
- 00:29:39and one my first Nationals with a 480
- 00:29:41bench I remember there's no shirts back
- 00:29:42then I weighed 212 and pull a 705
- 00:29:46deadlift all right so that's how I rehab
- 00:29:49and also I would I realized right away
- 00:29:51my arm would just go like this and it'
- 00:29:54go back up and I thought well you know
- 00:29:56when the guy said if he didn't care what
- 00:29:58it looked like I said well there got to
- 00:29:59be some scar teach or something hanging
- 00:30:01on there so I started curling and you
- 00:30:03know a 2 and2 lb plate and I got to a
- 00:30:0610B plate and it snapped and my arm
- 00:30:08never got black or blue until that point
- 00:30:11and then you know this is like a week
- 00:30:12after the meet then they got all black
- 00:30:14and blue but I had great full range of
- 00:30:16motion I could touch up here straighten
- 00:30:17my arm out and I was off and run and
- 00:30:19that's how I basically done it I mean
- 00:30:22you got to be I remember John black and
- 00:30:24know John black sh I talked about he
- 00:30:26blew both kneecaps in the late '70s and
- 00:30:29he had plastic kneecaps you know I think
- 00:30:31is you know way now they're way better
- 00:30:33but he the the Cleveland Brown surgeon
- 00:30:35worked on him at the time that that
- 00:30:37surgeon to Kil Browns and he said
- 00:30:39therapy must be on the edge take it to
- 00:30:41the very edge without falling off stop
- 00:30:44and then you know repeat it the next
- 00:30:45time and I've always used that advice
- 00:30:47but what he said I've taken myself to
- 00:30:49the very limit of getting hurt you know
- 00:30:51just sensing if I go one more I'm going
- 00:30:53to die and then start back over and work
- 00:30:55it out 3 or four weeks to pass that
- 00:30:56that's how I've always done it very
- 00:30:58aggressive um you know very very
- 00:31:01aggressive rehab and I rehab myself I
- 00:31:03don't go to I don't go to people I don't
- 00:31:05believe in them you don't have a scar
- 00:31:07I'm sorry guys I don't believe you know
- 00:31:09what you're doing if you ain't got flat
- 00:31:11nose and and scar teue on your eyes you
- 00:31:14can't teach me how to fight I just can't
- 00:31:16do it when you tore off your bicep I was
- 00:31:19deadling did you change your grips uh
- 00:31:22Tom that's a good point no I did not I
- 00:31:24watched a lot of people change Steve WIS
- 00:31:25called him curl that was his Nick big
- 00:31:27his arms he switch grips tore his bicep
- 00:31:29right off Brett Tracy a good friend of
- 00:31:31ours tore his other bicep right you know
- 00:31:33so no I never S I figured there's
- 00:31:35nothing to tear off why would I switch
- 00:31:38and uh oh I want to go on well we'll
- 00:31:40move up in 91 um when I had another a
- 00:31:44catastrophic entry but a small one
- 00:31:46because I was bored I'd never done any
- 00:31:48real curls so I was in a leg cast which
- 00:31:50we'll get to in a moment and I was doing
- 00:31:52curls of a massive 145 and tore this
- 00:31:54bicep off now John can tell you what
- 00:31:56happened because now this one never hurt
- 00:31:59at all but this one felt like is um
- 00:32:02gasoline bured my arm off for 2 3 days
- 00:32:05and it knotted up right here I tore a
- 00:32:06bottom of that bicep off yeah and so
- 00:32:09John can explain yeah so you can
- 00:32:10actually see where can you guys see this
- 00:32:13yeah you can actually see where the uh
- 00:32:15the bicep basically came off and rolled
- 00:32:17up right down to here onto the uh a rose
- 00:32:20right there yeah so it's pretty uh so
- 00:32:24can you see the lump of tissue I'm going
- 00:32:26over yeah so there's a bunch of uh
- 00:32:30connective tissue that uh is torn or was
- 00:32:34torn and then uh basically that's how it
- 00:32:36healed and actually uh you know it never
- 00:32:39stopped me either I just kept riding on
- 00:32:40got getting bigger and bigger benches
- 00:32:43but I just did it uh you know very high
- 00:32:46repetitions um you know like reverse
- 00:32:48hypers I give my guys even heavy weights
- 00:32:50they do no less than 20 with heavy
- 00:32:52weights the low back is nothing but
- 00:32:54basic ligaments and TS am I right yeah
- 00:32:56you got a lot of musculature down there
- 00:32:58but it's small dick uh it's very small
- 00:33:01dense tissue MH so it needs High
- 00:33:04repetition for blood supply that's why
- 00:33:06you don't want to do five Tom we had an
- 00:33:08email the other day about a guy asked me
- 00:33:10I got a reply to him so maybe he's
- 00:33:12listening about maxing out in Reverse
- 00:33:14hybrid because he talk about muscle
- 00:33:15types and he thinks he's doing it wrong
- 00:33:16because we do 30 you don't max out for
- 00:33:19single in a reverse hybrid yeah and the
- 00:33:21thing is too when you look at the
- 00:33:22musculature that's down into in the low
- 00:33:24back uh the low back is is technically
- 00:33:27there a lot of it is to actually prevent
- 00:33:29motion from occurring that's why the
- 00:33:31spine is process and so when stuff
- 00:33:34functions more in an isometric sense
- 00:33:36meaning it it's trying to inhibit a
- 00:33:38motion from occurring you're going to
- 00:33:39need more uh more repetitions to really
- 00:33:42get it right do that you understand what
- 00:33:44I'm saying because exactly why we do it
- 00:33:46yeah because if it's isometrically you
- 00:33:47know if you're just doing a hold right
- 00:33:50and now you're trying to get that same
- 00:33:51type of uh stressor in there you're
- 00:33:53going to need a lot higher reps because
- 00:33:54the repetitions are are significantly
- 00:33:56quicker you know if kind of understand
- 00:33:59what we're I come from experience and
- 00:34:01trial and error that John says actually
- 00:34:03why it
- 00:34:04works you know I mean I tried it a
- 00:34:06million ways wrong before I found a
- 00:34:08right way never never be afraid to look
- 00:34:10stupid either try anything until you
- 00:34:12find anything that
- 00:34:13works Tom you got any more questions
- 00:34:16about low back um just a lot of traction
- 00:34:19and a lot of ABS you cannot do too much
- 00:34:21ABS cannot do them um no I want to move
- 00:34:25on to uh 91 on to uh when uh you had you
- 00:34:29ruptured your tendon yeah uh can you
- 00:34:32just go how it happened and and then
- 00:34:35what' you do afterwards actually I used
- 00:34:37to run big cranes and uh I hold my foot
- 00:34:40on the break on Mechanic cranes kind of
- 00:34:42wor my nail and also hyp exin my Neo and
- 00:34:43ice one time it's 1985 I tore this off
- 00:34:46in 91 squatting but really it was due to
- 00:34:49construction injury uh you know related
- 00:34:51injury but I I tore it off and um I had
- 00:34:54complete R for Patel and it it's a long
- 00:34:58story but also while I was in the
- 00:35:00hospital I I took in the hospital and
- 00:35:01iared on me I'm allergic to anesthesia
- 00:35:03and when I went back in 14 weeks later
- 00:35:05had was taken out they they gave me shot
- 00:35:07to calm me down and gave me hook me up
- 00:35:09anesthesia and almost died they end up
- 00:35:11cut after I didn't breathe for four
- 00:35:12minutes it went and got a doctor and cut
- 00:35:13my throat tra me put chest tubes in me
- 00:35:16while I was rolling around that was a
- 00:35:18lot of fun it's it's really destroyed
- 00:35:19they believe it several cost with nerves
- 00:35:22to this day I have lots of rib problems
- 00:35:24rib pain but anyhow that's how I did it
- 00:35:27um and gy um you know I Chuck vogo the
- 00:35:29guys thank God had good spotters cuz
- 00:35:31it's two weeks before the senior
- 00:35:32Nationals and I was going to Pittsburgh
- 00:35:34for the senior Nationals ibly gone over
- 00:35:36there uh because there was no monoliths
- 00:35:38and there's no safety straps to catch
- 00:35:40you so I mean I'd probably come out with
- 00:35:42a broken leg and everything else so
- 00:35:43thank God I had good training Partners
- 00:35:45but yeah I blew it off and actually um I
- 00:35:48had a 821 Squad at the time and um and I
- 00:35:52later I I didn't live for four or 5
- 00:35:54years later cuz I thought I was 43 years
- 00:35:56old I said well I'm done but then then I
- 00:35:57got pulled out of retirement when I was
- 00:35:59like late 48 but I come back to squat
- 00:36:01920 I had the second biggest squat in
- 00:36:03the country only Eddie con had a bigger
- 00:36:04squat than me in 2000 in the 242s I we
- 00:36:07233 now I'm not I'm just saying but
- 00:36:10that's how I recovered it and it all
- 00:36:12started back years ago you know um with
- 00:36:16um Matt gimmel Matt rup your B tell Tor
- 00:36:19quadricep T off Matt had a world record
- 00:36:22110 we got him back to 905 about 90%
- 00:36:26well I actually went 10% over I went
- 00:36:29back 10% you know what I'm saying and um
- 00:36:33Andy Bale used to be a professional
- 00:36:34wrestler out there on the East Coast
- 00:36:36Andy had a 900lb squat complete rupture
- 00:36:39patella the sech just tell him he's done
- 00:36:41he can't do nothing he calls me on the
- 00:36:42phone I know Andy you know and he he
- 00:36:44goes what do I do I told him what to do
- 00:36:46and he had a 900 lb squat in one year
- 00:36:50after surgery any contest he squatted
- 00:36:531,000 lbs now can your therapist get you
- 00:36:56to that that's a good qu ask yourself
- 00:36:58that no you have to get yourself to that
- 00:37:00the greatest accomplishment I've ever
- 00:37:02done his name is Jim hoskinson I never
- 00:37:04met the man calls me on the phone he's
- 00:37:06all depressed in a wheelchair and I
- 00:37:08basically said don't be don't be a
- 00:37:09freaking puss get I said can you get out
- 00:37:11of that wheelchair he says yeah I said
- 00:37:13we you got a wheelchair you can pull a
- 00:37:14sled I said get the hell out of the
- 00:37:16wheelchair I'm all over this guy you
- 00:37:17know cuz he's all depressed he about
- 00:37:19ready to cry on the phone and he gets
- 00:37:21out till he pulls a sled for 6 months
- 00:37:23straight in sand down in Florida that's
- 00:37:24where he's at he had a 744 squat
- 00:37:28this guy came back well in nine months
- 00:37:30he came to my gym and then I saw him
- 00:37:32International Greco wrestler 300 lb I go
- 00:37:35I'm dead and uh he's a great guy you
- 00:37:38know but he in my gym in nine months he
- 00:37:41Squad 890 he went on to squat 11
- 00:37:4511:07 after
- 00:37:477:44 so no one's done right here's what
- 00:37:50gets done your it's all hen and hell is
- 00:37:53right in your mind he went back and he
- 00:37:55did a lot of forward and backward sled
- 00:37:56dragging where I most it hurt my knee
- 00:37:58for some Reas to go backwards and uh I I
- 00:38:01mostly did all fourward sled draging but
- 00:38:03that that's what recovered me um I give
- 00:38:05you a couple things we did and and um in
- 00:38:088 weeks I had full extension I had 125
- 00:38:11degrees knee I never went back and just
- 00:38:13test me on side backs and never went
- 00:38:14back and how did I get it I rode an
- 00:38:16exercise bike backwards and I kept
- 00:38:19dropping the seat to big bigger
- 00:38:20rotations and so it would bend my knee
- 00:38:22more and more and more now i' break the
- 00:38:24scar tissue and make me a little sick
- 00:38:25for four or five minutes and I just jump
- 00:38:27right back and do it again and that's
- 00:38:29how I that's how I brought my knee got
- 00:38:31my range of motion back which you have
- 00:38:32to do and also box squats um you know
- 00:38:35there's a lot of athletes as those Tom
- 00:38:37can tell you that uh have knee injuries
- 00:38:40they can B squat but they can't full
- 00:38:41squat you said way back on the box where
- 00:38:43you're Shin if this is your foot and
- 00:38:45this is your back your butt your Shin's
- 00:38:47like this there's no preal patella at
- 00:38:48all you have the leg curl to get out of
- 00:38:50there so builds the hamstrings which is
- 00:38:52essential for knee rehab and um and and
- 00:38:55so that's how he did it but it's in um
- 00:38:58you see in six less than six months I
- 00:39:00Squad a 500 parallel box and it hurt my
- 00:39:02hip a little bit vocol made me go up
- 00:39:04past that 5 and a quter now I want to do
- 00:39:06550 I come back and I did that VC takes
- 00:39:09575 hurt myself again and but he drove
- 00:39:12me right back I took it to the edge just
- 00:39:14like John John Black did and I just kept
- 00:39:16pushing and pushing and pushing and when
- 00:39:18I went back and you know at um you know
- 00:39:2050 years old was Squad a 920 lb yeah and
- 00:39:23I think that's really good advice that
- 00:39:24training and and and coming back from
- 00:39:27injury is no different you know you have
- 00:39:29the capacity of the tissues and you're
- 00:39:31always trying to go right below or just
- 00:39:34right under what your capacity is and
- 00:39:36then what happens is you progressively
- 00:39:38start to increase the capacity of the
- 00:39:39tissue I mean it's not rock it's the
- 00:39:42same it's one and the same thing one is
- 00:39:44you have I guess no injuries and the
- 00:39:46other one you have injuries but you're
- 00:39:47treating the tissue in the same manner
- 00:39:49you're trying to create adaptations
- 00:39:51increased capacity of the tissue so you
- 00:39:53have to keep stressors in there yeah
- 00:39:54what I did because um two things once I
- 00:39:57was able I pushed a were Barrel a were
- 00:40:00Barrel is like a wheel with crutches you
- 00:40:02know if if you uh if you gets start set
- 00:40:04the damn thing down you got two handles
- 00:40:06and a wheel and also like what I did was
- 00:40:09I hope this makes sense I would maybe
- 00:40:11recover let's say I was doing um you
- 00:40:14know 75% on my good leg 25 on my bad but
- 00:40:17then is and I would take long methodical
- 00:40:19steps where I got one leg off the ground
- 00:40:21at one time and then it went you know
- 00:40:237030 65 35 till I got it down 50/50 and
- 00:40:27that that willbur was tremendous my
- 00:40:28friend Jesse Kellum down in New Orleans
- 00:40:31trained a lot of saints and that's he
- 00:40:33told me to try that and I did it and
- 00:40:34also a sled Dragon the two best things I
- 00:40:36ever did now as time went on and I got
- 00:40:39the sled draggon by accident from the
- 00:40:41fence who pulled wood out of a u a lot
- 00:40:44of lumberjacks H world record
- 00:40:45deadlifters I had the world record in
- 00:40:47the deadlift so my friend escal Thomason
- 00:40:49a swed who moved here and stayed 10
- 00:40:51years with this he went back when he
- 00:40:52went back he went to Finland and asked
- 00:40:54why they why they were they don't know
- 00:40:56they were lumberjack they told him how
- 00:40:58they pulled the wood so I really
- 00:40:59stretched the sled dragging and actually
- 00:41:02in my opinion and Chuck vul said the
- 00:41:04same that sled pulling sleds made him
- 00:41:08and I stronger than
- 00:41:10weights I pulled 775 dead of straps and
- 00:41:12all I was doing was pulling heavy sleds
- 00:41:15so and to me it it was incredible and
- 00:41:18and heavy War barrels you know heavy War
- 00:41:19barrels nowadays um I know more and also
- 00:41:22what I did uh I'm going to let John
- 00:41:25explain this more but your cab support
- 00:41:27knee on the bottom your hamstrings
- 00:41:29supported on top so forget about the
- 00:41:32thigh extensions cuz John you can't do a
- 00:41:34thigh extension standing up am I correct
- 00:41:36no yeah it's impossible so you want to
- 00:41:38do the hamstrings and the and the and
- 00:41:40the calves and what I found was a lot of
- 00:41:42CED calf was actually more because I was
- 00:41:44standing up walking all the time did a
- 00:41:46lot of C Cales and I did a lot of glued
- 00:41:48ham raises and band leg curls and also
- 00:41:51anchor weight leg curls I've wrote about
- 00:41:53several times about a world champion
- 00:41:54high jump female and she do 200 leg CS
- 00:41:57every day with 10B ankle weights got a
- 00:41:59coach that wanted to stop doing it she
- 00:42:01did she got hurt she went back and never
- 00:42:03quit doing them never had an injury so
- 00:42:05you got it's a hamstrings and the calves
- 00:42:07that's that's what it is and uh so you
- 00:42:10know a lot of glued hams a lot of band
- 00:42:12leg curls leg curl just flying down um
- 00:42:16what you call when you beled down we
- 00:42:18have a standup leg curl machine so um
- 00:42:22you you name it and also one thing that
- 00:42:24really worked a soft tissue for me was I
- 00:42:26would walk I didn't have sand and like
- 00:42:29my friend Jim walked in sand in Florida
- 00:42:31but I got a Pham pad and I walked in
- 00:42:33that Pham pad and with no shoes on and
- 00:42:37that really seemed to help the mobility
- 00:42:39or strengthen ligament tendance of my
- 00:42:41knee so we did a lot of stuff out I mean
- 00:42:43here at West Side like a Tom you saw a
- 00:42:45guy this morning squatted grand out of
- 00:42:47sitting in phone you know in the pair of
- 00:42:48breeze so we do a lot of foone squats
- 00:42:51and stand in it and sit on it and it
- 00:42:53really seems to build as strong as they
- 00:42:55are it actually works their stabilizers
- 00:42:57even more yeah so um I'll let you
- 00:43:00explain a little bit you
- 00:43:02know about why you have to work the
- 00:43:05hamstrings in the and the Cavs for knee
- 00:43:07rehab yeah or or prehab which I like to
- 00:43:10do yeah so I mean a lot of like the
- 00:43:12non-c contact ACL injuries that that we
- 00:43:14see in you know like the NFL and some of
- 00:43:16these other sports uh it's basically
- 00:43:19they have too much flexibility and not
- 00:43:20enough mobility and so if you look the
- 00:43:23hamstrings uh basically they they start
- 00:43:25on your sit bone uh uh and then they go
- 00:43:28to either side of the tibia in the
- 00:43:30fibula which is uh the calf or the shin
- 00:43:34bone and then you have the Gast roxs uh
- 00:43:37which come up and then they attach to
- 00:43:39the back side of the femur and uh this
- 00:43:42musculature really helps protect the
- 00:43:44knee from going anteriorly forward so it
- 00:43:47basically helps eccentrically break the
- 00:43:50knee right because uh a muscle produces
- 00:43:54uh concentric Force but also Ecentric
- 00:43:56Force it's very important that the
- 00:43:58hamstrings can function eccentrically to
- 00:44:00slow that athlete down so that's one of
- 00:44:03the reasons why I do a lot of the um the
- 00:44:05inverse leg curl but I overload The
- 00:44:08Eccentric phase meaning I'm literally
- 00:44:11preventing motion from occurring in the
- 00:44:13Ecentric phase and then someone actually
- 00:44:15lifts me up in the concentric phase so
- 00:44:18that I don't I don't fatigue the
- 00:44:19hamstrings concentrically and then I
- 00:44:21lower again eccentrically and so it
- 00:44:23really builds the the gastr and the and
- 00:44:25the hamstrings up in a functional
- 00:44:27setting two two things Bob peoples Tom
- 00:44:30you've seen Bob people's book he did a
- 00:44:32lot of um um you know heavy eccentrics
- 00:44:34and he had a his tractor had a PTO on it
- 00:44:37power takeoff and would pick the waist
- 00:44:38back up and he'd do another rip a slow
- 00:44:40lowering and you know a lot of injuries
- 00:44:42occur in ball uh from the deceleration
- 00:44:45phase and I've seen all kind of coaches
- 00:44:47work on this deceleration but they do
- 00:44:48anything to strengthen it yeah and see
- 00:44:50that's the thing is you got to Fig
- 00:44:51figure a muscle an organ and it produces
- 00:44:53Force but it also has to break it break
- 00:44:56force from occurring so you have to
- 00:44:57train all aspects of it you know I mean
- 00:44:59and a lot of a lot of times people that
- 00:45:01don't actually lift weights or they lift
- 00:45:03them and they don't really pay attention
- 00:45:05during the Ecentric phase they're going
- 00:45:06to start to just like you know if you
- 00:45:08only did bench press but no back
- 00:45:10training you're going to start to create
- 00:45:11some sort of imbalances and that's
- 00:45:14that's when you start to see the issues
- 00:45:15is is when you're too concentrically
- 00:45:17strong so you can produce all this Force
- 00:45:19but you can't break it so it's like
- 00:45:21having a race car with you know the
- 00:45:23brakes of a Honda Civic exactly right
- 00:45:25you know yeah and you know uh you see so
- 00:45:27many athletes non- contct injuries
- 00:45:29that's pathetic I'm sorry guys that's
- 00:45:31pathetic yeah you got to build them up
- 00:45:34non-c contact you explain that to your
- 00:45:36coach your star running back hurt
- 00:45:37himself on the field by himself with no
- 00:45:39contact explain that to the head coach
- 00:45:42if you still got a job yeah don't be
- 00:45:44afraid to make him strong like why said
- 00:45:47he can explain scientifically and you're
- 00:45:49talking about a gentleman who got an
- 00:45:51article about it and but if you put 11
- 00:45:53weak kids on the field and 11 strong
- 00:45:55kids on the field and they play 11 week
- 00:45:57kids are going to get hurt on that field
- 00:45:59right straight up that's what it's going
- 00:46:00to happen that's what separates men and
- 00:46:03women athletes strength yeah I think a
- 00:46:05lot of people assume that the B the body
- 00:46:08is very fragile and uh you know it it is
- 00:46:12fragile to an aspect of it but that's
- 00:46:14what training does is it makes it
- 00:46:15stronger right and so if you if if
- 00:46:18you're not training you're becoming more
- 00:46:20fragile if you're training you're
- 00:46:22becoming more anti fragile right and so
- 00:46:25that's the reason why when you get
- 00:46:26injured you shouldn't be saying I need
- 00:46:28to rest this you should be saying okay
- 00:46:30how do I test the capacity of these
- 00:46:32tissues and find their threshold and
- 00:46:34then how do I start to progressively
- 00:46:36overload it in a safe setting where I
- 00:46:38can increase the capacity of these
- 00:46:39tissues because the only reason why you
- 00:46:41have an injury is because you didn't
- 00:46:43have the prerequisites required to do
- 00:46:45what you were trying to do meaning you
- 00:46:48your physical capacity wasn't a good
- 00:46:50match for the demands thus the demands
- 00:46:52won so if you're going to go right back
- 00:46:54into doing the same demands you better
- 00:46:55increase the capacity
- 00:46:57does that make sense and you have to do
- 00:46:59it by putting yourself into those
- 00:47:01positions and training them again that's
- 00:47:03the reason why you you can't say that X
- 00:47:05range is dangerous X exercise is
- 00:47:07dangerous it's not D it's only dangerous
- 00:47:10if if you are if you're a bad match for
- 00:47:12the demands and the way that I look at
- 00:47:14it is you shouldn't say like for
- 00:47:16instance if somebody comes to me and
- 00:47:17they go okay I have bad shoulders and
- 00:47:18the reason why I have bad shoulders is
- 00:47:20because of the bench press no the reason
- 00:47:22why is you didn't your shoulders didn't
- 00:47:23have the capacity to do what the bench
- 00:47:25breads the banded and you just avoided
- 00:47:27it right right and So eventually it's
- 00:47:29going to wear down your shoulders does
- 00:47:31that make sense it makes perfect sense
- 00:47:33uh you know and again you got to do high
- 00:47:35reputation training Tom you need
- 00:47:37enormous amounts of Weights we live but
- 00:47:39we do thousands and thousands you
- 00:47:42brought this up why don't we have soft
- 00:47:43tissue injuries here because we do
- 00:47:45thousands of repetitions with very light
- 00:47:47weights for the ligaments and tendons
- 00:47:48soft the connected tissue you know if
- 00:47:50you look at deformation um uh you were
- 00:47:53saying it a moment ago about you know if
- 00:47:55you look at deformation if you look at
- 00:47:57hooks law of elasticity it all works
- 00:47:59together it when a ball if I took a
- 00:48:01brittle ball this ball was brittle and I
- 00:48:03threw it down and it flexed it would
- 00:48:05break but if this is a basketball I
- 00:48:07throw it down it would have deformation
- 00:48:09would flatten out the bottom and that
- 00:48:10that portion of flattening would Propel
- 00:48:13the ball upward and your body works the
- 00:48:15very same way in the feet and so that's
- 00:48:18why you got to do exercises thicken
- 00:48:19ligaments and tendons no one ever
- 00:48:21thought about boxers would jump rope for
- 00:48:23two RS of conditioning and timing but no
- 00:48:25one ever thought about ligament and TS
- 00:48:27that's why they got fast feet that's one
- 00:48:29of the reason they got fast feet it it's
- 00:48:31a it's a a side effect of jumping rope
- 00:48:35it actually made fast feet by jumping
- 00:48:37rope contac and getting off the ground
- 00:48:40exactly so but it's um remember if you
- 00:48:42got brutal ligaments attendants that's
- 00:48:44when you're an old man you're going to
- 00:48:45get hurt you you have to full range of
- 00:48:47motion [ย __ย ] no exercise is dangerous
- 00:48:50everybody does the damn things so it
- 00:48:52it's you as are dangerous if you're not
- 00:48:54prepared to do it you're going to you're
- 00:48:56going to prepared to get hurt people
- 00:48:58have when people come to me for
- 00:48:59treatment and they have an issue doing a
- 00:49:01certain exercise it's interesting they
- 00:49:03always seem to blame the exercise yeah
- 00:49:06yeah and in that mode of thinking
- 00:49:08anytime I someone comes to me and they
- 00:49:10got an issue I say okay here's the
- 00:49:11individual's demands and you can't meet
- 00:49:14the demands I don't look at the demands
- 00:49:16being the issue I look at you being the
- 00:49:18issue you don't have the capacity to to
- 00:49:21do the demands in a good so why don't we
- 00:49:24increase performance right and that's
- 00:49:26where it has to go back it's the same
- 00:49:28thing you tear your bicep what does that
- 00:49:29tell you that tissue wasn't biologically
- 00:49:31strong enough so what do you do you
- 00:49:33start to train it I mean it's it's very
- 00:49:36common sense uh way of doing it and
- 00:49:39that's where it's like uh the quote that
- 00:49:41you said earlier of the surgeon from
- 00:49:42Cleveland that said that that it's very
- 00:49:45true therapy uh should be no different
- 00:49:48than training and it's one in the same
- 00:49:51yeah you know if you look at exercise
- 00:49:52you hear about uh so many coaches do p c
- 00:49:55for explosive power this is ridiculous
- 00:49:56guys just how you're using 30 to 40%
- 00:49:59there's no exercise there's no explosive
- 00:50:02exercise you know I mean with barbells
- 00:50:04it's the per it's how what the velocity
- 00:50:06obtained is while you're doing it all
- 00:50:08right and also there's no dangerous
- 00:50:10exercises why do my guys dead of 900 lbs
- 00:50:12they don't even get sore backs there's
- 00:50:14no if you know how to do something
- 00:50:16driving a car can be dangerous if you
- 00:50:18don't know
- 00:50:19how so you just got to know Howell and
- 00:50:22um Tom you got more questions on uh
- 00:50:26where we at my knee right we're on to uh
- 00:50:28yeah from 91 we we got are we yeah I
- 00:50:31fully recovered I want to bring up
- 00:50:33another point now I know this is Extreme
- 00:50:35but I'm kind of an extreme person um I
- 00:50:37tore miniscus I did it three times H my
- 00:50:39miniscus and so I I let it and I let it
- 00:50:42it got okay and I trained I heard again
- 00:50:45and I got okay and I trained and uh
- 00:50:47right before I was going to the World
- 00:50:48Cup uh over in IPA I heard it again and
- 00:50:52I got mad said hell I'll just get
- 00:50:53operate on it's worst thing I ever done
- 00:50:56all right all right time it got into
- 00:50:58surgery like a month later it was okay
- 00:51:00again but uh I went in and was opera on
- 00:51:04Tuesday morning come out come out of
- 00:51:06recovery put the crutches on my
- 00:51:08shoulders walked out of the hospital
- 00:51:09went and had breakfast that Friday I
- 00:51:10squatted now if you want to ask Chuck
- 00:51:12vle and Dave Tate who was right there
- 00:51:13with me I did a normal squat workout you
- 00:51:16get guys of the operation I'm not going
- 00:51:18to mention a few basketball players they
- 00:51:19don't play for six months this
- 00:51:21ridiculous to Masashi said to do nothing
- 00:51:23about it was worthless and that's my
- 00:51:25feeling I mean
- 00:51:27what the hell they just took something
- 00:51:28out it's not like they sold something
- 00:51:30together so I had a little bit of blood
- 00:51:31sees and that was it but I just went
- 00:51:33right on and S right up to where I was
- 00:51:36yeah and it's interesting too uh there's
- 00:51:38actually been some studies done on
- 00:51:40actually the specifics of the meniscus
- 00:51:42surgery and it and it's interesting they
- 00:51:44they've had people who actually have the
- 00:51:46surgery and people that not have the
- 00:51:48surgery and what they did was TR they
- 00:51:50basically train they were in some sort
- 00:51:51of therapeutic s Training Center where
- 00:51:53they were loading tissues and they did
- 00:51:56the they the results and the results
- 00:51:58that have come back as I haven't this
- 00:52:00was maybe like last year is the people
- 00:52:02that opted to not have the surgery
- 00:52:05actually did better or you know when
- 00:52:07they do the questionnaires on top of it
- 00:52:09so it's not just a range of motion
- 00:52:11standpoint but it's also the
- 00:52:13questionnaire I Wish I Never Had to
- 00:52:15operate them I have no lateral I don't
- 00:52:17know how Fighters
- 00:52:18do I I can't move Lally you know what I
- 00:52:21mean yeah never could really anyhow but
- 00:52:23I definitely can't do got old yeah
- 00:52:29Tom where are we at we are from 91 um on
- 00:52:32the knee the inverse curl is that would
- 00:52:37that be a good uh tool to have to rehab
- 00:52:39your knee inverse curl is one of the
- 00:52:41greatest devices I I think it's the
- 00:52:43greatest hamstring machine I've ever SE
- 00:52:45it makes glut hams obsolete if anyone
- 00:52:47knows what a Russian leg curl is where I
- 00:52:49would hold your ankles down on the
- 00:52:50ground and you can curl down touch your
- 00:52:52chest not fall and curl back up you're
- 00:52:55one St dude we we had people do um I've
- 00:52:58got a girl who does uh three sets of 10
- 00:53:00all right we had a 340 lb person tell me
- 00:53:03that you won or lost money on that did 9
- 00:53:06and a half reps 340 he had a 900 dead we
- 00:53:10also had a kid that was 320 lb did six
- 00:53:13and I'm sure you know that was Jake
- 00:53:15Anderson 875 deadlift he would have he
- 00:53:17would have broke that if he' kept going
- 00:53:20um but that's how you can go to Step One
- 00:53:22never being able to do it to step 10
- 00:53:24being able to do 10 reps and we and I've
- 00:53:27got guys that do them hold on to a 35lb
- 00:53:29plate that's why U you know um son and
- 00:53:33Joe went from a 525 deadlift and
- 00:53:35slightly less years to 725 deadlift at
- 00:53:38193 hamstrings is essential John we're
- 00:53:41talking about the inverse C and if you
- 00:53:42would please explain again about the
- 00:53:44knees why the inverse curl is so
- 00:53:46beneficial for to keeping knees healthy
- 00:53:49yeah one of the things I really like
- 00:53:50about the inverse curl in in comparison
- 00:53:53to maybe like a seated or lying
- 00:53:55hamstring curl is a seated lstring curl
- 00:53:58the only thing that you're moving
- 00:53:59through time and space is your tibia
- 00:54:02with the inverse leg curl you got to
- 00:54:03move your torso and in athletics you're
- 00:54:05moving your torso or your whole body
- 00:54:07through that range uh the reason why
- 00:54:10it's so good is the same thing we said
- 00:54:12about the Gast rocks and the hamstrings
- 00:54:14how they protect the knee how you can
- 00:54:16overload the the interesting part is
- 00:54:17like think about trying to overload The
- 00:54:19Eccentric phase on a hamstring curl it's
- 00:54:21kind of hard to do cuz someone have to
- 00:54:22physically lift it up then that person
- 00:54:25right because if you're trying to
- 00:54:26overload you know an Ecentric or
- 00:54:28concentric like you said uh remember
- 00:54:30like the the individuals that were in
- 00:54:31weightlifting or or track and field what
- 00:54:34they would do is they pull
- 00:54:34concentrically but they would drop the
- 00:54:36Ecentric right because they didn't want
- 00:54:37to they didn't want to get the uh
- 00:54:39training adaptations from the Ecentric
- 00:54:41well when you're you when you want the
- 00:54:43training adaptations on the Ecentric
- 00:54:44phase you want to overload it as much as
- 00:54:46possible right so the inverse leg curl
- 00:54:49enables me to do that and from a
- 00:54:51bodybuilding perspective Ecentric phase
- 00:54:53is very important and so what I like to
- 00:54:55do is I like to to train my hamstrings
- 00:54:57to concentric failure then as soon as
- 00:54:59they're concentrically failed now the
- 00:55:01work begins because now I'm working on
- 00:55:02Ecentric and I'm trying to think about
- 00:55:04it your hamstrings just have to be
- 00:55:06strong enough to prevent you from from
- 00:55:08going down and there's a really big
- 00:55:10issue if you can't eccentrically control
- 00:55:12your torso from going down so it's could
- 00:55:14almost just be an assessment for actual
- 00:55:16athletes to say hey is this person at
- 00:55:19risk for a knee injury if they can't
- 00:55:21eccentrically control their body on the
- 00:55:22Ecentric phase I mean it it'd be
- 00:55:25interesting to do a study to to see knee
- 00:55:27issues with people that have that can't
- 00:55:29eccentrically control themselves in that
- 00:55:31setting and then see how they do in
- 00:55:33whatever athletic in Denver that they're
- 00:55:34in you know a lot of people Overlook the
- 00:55:36point that you just brought that up
- 00:55:38that's an assessment and that's what
- 00:55:40that's why reverse hyper is an
- 00:55:41assessment your lower back in verse girl
- 00:55:43the hamstrings the belt squats the hips
- 00:55:45everything we do is an assessment here
- 00:55:47yeah and one of the things that I do in
- 00:55:50the guys that that I train with because
- 00:55:51we do the reverse hyper multiple times a
- 00:55:53week same thing that that that all the
- 00:55:55lifters here do and it's interesting
- 00:55:57I'll get a guy in there that has back
- 00:55:59pain right they're like man I have low
- 00:56:00back pain I always get low back pain
- 00:56:01when I when I squat you know so I can't
- 00:56:03squat right or the squats bad for me
- 00:56:06same thing it's like no your spine
- 00:56:07doesn't have the capacity to do what is
- 00:56:09required of the squat so the first thing
- 00:56:11you want to do is you want to get them
- 00:56:12in the reverse hyper get their spine
- 00:56:13functioning again and when you talk
- 00:56:15about an assessment if you get into a
- 00:56:17reverse hyper and let's say that there's
- 00:56:18maybe 50 pounds on there so relatively
- 00:56:20lightweight and you start to get
- 00:56:22impingements okay this is a clear clear
- 00:56:25indicator that your spinal joints don't
- 00:56:27function right so now the first thing
- 00:56:30that you should do if you're a coach or
- 00:56:32if you're a therapist because this is
- 00:56:34one of the things that I use for people
- 00:56:35that have acute situations uh or that
- 00:56:38have an acute injury and now we're in
- 00:56:40the actual um we're in the
- 00:56:43rehabilitation uh process as I say do
- 00:56:45you feel any pinch points no no pinch
- 00:56:47points and you're really trying to
- 00:56:48acquire a range of motion in that
- 00:56:49setting where there's traction so it's
- 00:56:51not the camel cow situation because in
- 00:56:53the camel cow there's no traction and
- 00:56:55then also there's no weight so what I'll
- 00:56:57start to do is I use ankle weights to
- 00:56:58start to load that extremity which
- 00:57:00increases traction but also increases Us
- 00:57:03loading those tissues right so think
- 00:57:05about it as an assessment for uh for to
- 00:57:08see if you have a functioning spine go
- 00:57:09into the reverse hyper and see if you
- 00:57:11can do it if you get joint pain in the
- 00:57:12reverse hyper guess what your spine
- 00:57:14isn't functioning how it should and you
- 00:57:16probably shouldn't load the spine
- 00:57:18because you got a dysfunctional joint
- 00:57:20but what other exercise or what other
- 00:57:22setting can you put an individual in
- 00:57:24safely and get that assessment yeah n to
- 00:57:26I know does that make sense so that's
- 00:57:28one of the reasons why I use it is one
- 00:57:30because it feels good you know what I
- 00:57:32mean from from that standpoint of of
- 00:57:35basically starting to get functionality
- 00:57:36back into the spine but if I have a
- 00:57:38pinch point right or if I have any type
- 00:57:41I know I'm not I'm not going to just go
- 00:57:42and then left because I'm going to do
- 00:57:44damages to my disc to my joint all that
- 00:57:46other stuff yeah well you know you
- 00:57:48brought up a point of ankle wage too
- 00:57:49because I tell people all the time just
- 00:57:50wear ankle weights around Bally in bench
- 00:57:52press workouts it's traction and you're
- 00:57:54not even you don't even know they're on
- 00:57:55there well yeah and then you had told me
- 00:57:58before you had the pendulum that that's
- 00:57:59what you did anyway right and when you
- 00:58:01think about it the pendulum pulls you
- 00:58:02under right which there's a lot of
- 00:58:04benefit to that but there's a lot of
- 00:58:06benefit to just coming straight down too
- 00:58:08so you can technically do both at the
- 00:58:10same time A lot of times I I I basically
- 00:58:12do one or the other or use them in
- 00:58:15combination with each other well years
- 00:58:17ago when I pulled 710 at 195 I didn't
- 00:58:20have reverse hyper I did them manually
- 00:58:21up in a power R and at that time I did
- 00:58:2410 with 200 around my ankles and I I set
- 00:58:27of 10 and I got a set of eight with 200
- 00:58:30yeah and I mean that's a pretty strong
- 00:58:31lower back you know for about 195 lb
- 00:58:33right so
- 00:58:36yeah we we've talked a lot about the
- 00:58:38hamstrings and how we train them on the
- 00:58:40posterior what role do the quadriceps
- 00:58:43training them play in your rehab if
- 00:58:47any I I didn't do any you know I didn't
- 00:58:51do anything to come back and you mean
- 00:58:53you know to do the squats I did uh I
- 00:58:55just didn't because it seemed like it
- 00:58:57had sharing force on my knee yeah so
- 00:59:00here's the interesting part too right
- 00:59:02okay if you're not going to box squat
- 00:59:05and you're not going to go full range of
- 00:59:06motion squat you're shearing your knee
- 00:59:09right but if you had the box now you're
- 00:59:11not shearing your knee because there's
- 00:59:13equal distribut in front to back of the
- 00:59:15joint right for me I don't actually do a
- 00:59:19lot of quad training and I actually have
- 00:59:21pretty decent developed quads my
- 00:59:22training partner has massive quads we do
- 00:59:26maybe some single joint exercises at the
- 00:59:28very end but if if if you're doing a
- 00:59:31controlled uh squat repetition the
- 00:59:34you're going to get your training in the
- 00:59:36Ecentric phase not really concentrically
- 00:59:38Ecentric I mean if you're doing your
- 00:59:40squat you hear that weight lifters if
- 00:59:42you're doing if you're doing your squat
- 00:59:44wrong you're going to feel it in your
- 00:59:45quads correct and that's why a lot of
- 00:59:47people are like I feel and for me
- 00:59:50there's a point where if you're doing a
- 00:59:52full range of motion squat initially
- 00:59:54your quads have to pull you up up to the
- 00:59:56point where your hips are
- 00:59:57biomechanically and then be able to
- 00:59:59drive through but after that done after
- 01:00:02after that phase the only time I ever
- 01:00:05feel it in my my uh quads is on the
- 01:00:07Ecentric phase when I'm doing full range
- 01:00:09of motion squads there's there topping
- 01:00:11muscles correct you know whenever we get
- 01:00:13a guy oh I'm a quad squatter then I know
- 01:00:15right away that he does not know how to
- 01:00:17squat yeah because if you better be a
- 01:00:19glut hamstring squat hips right yeah
- 01:00:21because that's all the tissues on the
- 01:00:22back side of the joint that's right you
- 01:00:24know what I mean and that's the tissues
- 01:00:25that's going to drive your hips forward
- 01:00:26and end the repetition what holds a
- 01:00:28house up the foundation so when you're
- 01:00:30in the bottom of a squat it's the back
- 01:00:31of your body holding a house up not the
- 01:00:33top of your body right and see that's
- 01:00:35the funny part too is that's where I use
- 01:00:37the box squat for bodybuilders right
- 01:00:39because a lot of them they leg press all
- 01:00:41day leg press you're just moving your
- 01:00:43feet right and so they they learn the
- 01:00:45mechanics of a leg press and they try
- 01:00:47and do those mechanics in the squat so
- 01:00:50they're doing the same thing where they
- 01:00:51just overload their quads so it's it's
- 01:00:53horrible right but if you use the box
- 01:00:56now you can actually sit back and
- 01:00:57actually load the glutes and the
- 01:00:59hamstrings now when you're sitting back
- 01:01:01there if you use your quads to get out
- 01:01:02of it it's going to look horrible
- 01:01:03because your your hips are going to
- 01:01:05shoot back it's you're basically leg
- 01:01:07extension leg extending and then back
- 01:01:10extending it up but I like to use the uh
- 01:01:13the the Box because then it sets your
- 01:01:15hips and then you're able to just drive
- 01:01:17the hips through we're going expan box
- 01:01:19quats in a coming up Podcast completely
- 01:01:22why you have to do them yeah absolutely
- 01:01:25um
- 01:01:26well I think that covers as that cover
- 01:01:28that time I just I just it just hurt my
- 01:01:30knees I mean it made my knees worse i'
- 01:01:32never done
- 01:01:33yeah well that was 91 and I'm sure from
- 01:01:3691 upwards you've encountered many more
- 01:01:40injuries and developing the injury free
- 01:01:42system we have today but in uh 2005 you
- 01:01:46had a hemicap the soccer uh put into
- 01:01:50your shoulder yes um from that can you
- 01:01:53explain how quick you came back from
- 01:01:55that Sur surgery and what what first
- 01:01:58what caused your shoulder to give out
- 01:01:59okay uh what caused my shoulder to give
- 01:02:01out and I think I hope a lot of doctors
- 01:02:03listen this I in my I broke my neck a 93
- 01:02:06bench and drive my head in the bench so
- 01:02:07I never drove my head in the bench
- 01:02:08anymore I heard it snap and about four
- 01:02:11or five weeks later all a sudden my like
- 01:02:13I think my left shoulder start hurt real
- 01:02:14bad it was stayed that way for four or
- 01:02:16five months in one day it didn't hurt at
- 01:02:18all for a couple of days and it went to
- 01:02:20my right and it went back and forth from
- 01:02:2293 to when I finally got this replaced
- 01:02:25it froze up and you know late 2004 and
- 01:02:27got the socket in 2005 but that's how I
- 01:02:30came to get it in I believe it was a
- 01:02:32vertebrae problem not a not a shoulder
- 01:02:35problem it caused me frozen shoulder and
- 01:02:38then I to get shoulder but what I done
- 01:02:40was um uh dror Dr minan was working for
- 01:02:43the Browns and I was going up there when
- 01:02:44D the ear of of Davis when he was
- 01:02:47coaching Miss um the Browns and I would
- 01:02:50go up there so he has said he had this
- 01:02:52new this um the sock that you're talking
- 01:02:54about new experiment only one person
- 01:02:55person some lady karate person so and
- 01:02:58and so buddy Mor's Str coach good friend
- 01:03:00of mine said this thing's right up your
- 01:03:02alley he says he wants people to
- 01:03:03experiment to literally see if you can
- 01:03:05tear it out I'm I'm I'm ready to go and
- 01:03:08uh I what I have to lose I mean couldn't
- 01:03:10you I asked the Browns guys a trainer
- 01:03:12hey I can't put my hands in my pocket
- 01:03:14what would you said you wouldn't be here
- 01:03:15you know you wouldn't be here so he
- 01:03:18operates on it and okay this is what I
- 01:03:21did remember this is what I did I'm not
- 01:03:23telling you to do this but I talked to
- 01:03:25another surgeon
- 01:03:26and I got home and um my arm was all
- 01:03:28SWAT up and the blood draining into it
- 01:03:31and he said take lots of
- 01:03:32anti-inflammatories so I was pushing
- 01:03:34about 400 milligram of volaran day I I
- 01:03:37was I've been on voltarian since 91 when
- 01:03:39I got tra and all so I pushed up the a
- 01:03:42massive amount of volaran in a few days
- 01:03:44the sing rapidly came out then I used
- 01:03:47heat he told me to use heat so I got in
- 01:03:50hun to 7 days after surgery I I called
- 01:03:54Paul ters but he said what should I do
- 01:03:56he says get range of motion touch your
- 01:03:57chest put a bar in back I said okay so I
- 01:03:59took a broom stick and I I touched my
- 01:04:02chest in seven days started bench in
- 01:04:04that broomstick low my on my belly high
- 01:04:06on my belly across my throat or whatever
- 01:04:08and fighting it behind my head okay then
- 01:04:11so I started attaching small weights on
- 01:04:13that broom but wouldn't hold much so we
- 01:04:15have a bandbell bar uh Tony Ramos
- 01:04:17actually came up with Hing kettle bells
- 01:04:19to a bar belt and then a friend of mine
- 01:04:21Jimmy CER actually came up made a barn
- 01:04:23it vibrates uh with the hooking K Bel
- 01:04:25doell the mini bands to it so I started
- 01:04:27using a bar like that and I did 50 reps
- 01:04:31a set I would do between three and uh uh
- 01:04:34three and four sets every day 150 to 200
- 01:04:37reps start adding more and more weight
- 01:04:39more more you know just little weights
- 01:04:40at a time and in 3 months in a with a
- 01:04:43regular bar I bench 300 all right now
- 01:04:46normally in 3 months you you're still in
- 01:04:48the cash they want you be on arcast so
- 01:04:51that's the progress I made and I did it
- 01:04:53by using the bandbell bar with all the
- 01:04:55vibrations I'm not sure no one's ever
- 01:04:57told me but I believe it puts Maxum
- 01:04:59contractions in the soft tissue I think
- 01:05:01that's why it works now I came back with
- 01:05:04that to um uh I had a 405 raw bench with
- 01:05:08the socket in and I could do 270 for
- 01:05:11nine with that bar all right now I
- 01:05:12watched Dave Hof you know strongest guy
- 01:05:15he was doing 335 for 10 but I mean so as
- 01:05:18stronger I got with the vibrating bar
- 01:05:20the stronger I got with a regular bar
- 01:05:22and at 63 I benched 505 and I did it 6
- 01:05:26with that socket but that's basically
- 01:05:28how I did it I started out with the band
- 01:05:30bar all right and a lot of external
- 01:05:33rotation just a band like this you know
- 01:05:35pulled it apart started light work my
- 01:05:37way up all right and that's I did that
- 01:05:41and High Reps and I also use very light
- 01:05:43dumbbells I I I had 10B dumbbells I
- 01:05:46would do 50 I mean I have done 200 reps
- 01:05:49with 25b dumbbells in one set and I I
- 01:05:52mean I'm old I got nothing else to do
- 01:05:53you know what I mean but I did that just
- 01:05:55the to blow me up and and put the the
- 01:05:57blood in the ligament the tendons and it
- 01:05:59work and you know dumbbells you can turn
- 01:06:01your arm if you look you see that well
- 01:06:04where they cut me John can explain
- 01:06:05that's the high as that arm goes so I
- 01:06:08got I got a big discrepancy there so
- 01:06:10that's why I use dumbest and um but that
- 01:06:13bandar brought me back uh completely and
- 01:06:15then three months when I bench the 300
- 01:06:17also had this shoulder scoped and um you
- 01:06:20know so anyhow all in all I totally
- 01:06:22recovered from it I mean a four or five
- 01:06:23bench with a fake shoulders is not bad
- 01:06:24it's raw and uh but that's what I did a
- 01:06:27lot of dumbbells a lot of band bars and
- 01:06:30um a lot of High Reps so if you want to
- 01:06:33mention anything about the band bar and
- 01:06:34what you've done with it yeah I used the
- 01:06:36band bar pretty regularly he just came
- 01:06:38out with a newer bar I don't know if you
- 01:06:39guys have messed around with it the
- 01:06:41Rhino Bar where you actually load the
- 01:06:42plates on there have you guys messed
- 01:06:44yeah I I like it a little bit better
- 01:06:46it's it's I can use more actual weight
- 01:06:48on the bar but yeah I mean I love the
- 01:06:50band I think what it what it does uh
- 01:06:53from a perspective is I kind of use it
- 01:06:56as an assessment so if someone's using a
- 01:06:58a regular bench press bar and they get
- 01:07:00pain right kind of how I look at it is
- 01:07:03it's a discrepancy in the the large
- 01:07:06muscles right so so like the pecs are
- 01:07:10actually too strong for more of the
- 01:07:12muscles that are guiding the force to
- 01:07:14that joint does that make sense right so
- 01:07:17what I have those individuals do is then
- 01:07:19a lot of bandbell uh type work so they
- 01:07:22can start to really uh emphasize the
- 01:07:24smaller stabilizing muscles but at the
- 01:07:26same time still train their Prime movers
- 01:07:29does that make sense and it really helps
- 01:07:30with like the uh joint integrity and how
- 01:07:33the joint actually functions because you
- 01:07:36know you can train you know internal
- 01:07:37external rotation like this all day long
- 01:07:40but that's not going to really that's
- 01:07:41not very applicable to a bench press no
- 01:07:43you know what I mean well you know uh we
- 01:07:45have the biggest full meat bencher in
- 01:07:47the world Dave Hall a, F and we have uh
- 01:07:51uh Jason Coker holds two World Records
- 01:07:54998 and 771 and 181 um those guys use
- 01:07:58that bar all the time we a whole gym use
- 01:08:01that bar all the time am I right Tom
- 01:08:02that a lot of times I see Jason warm up
- 01:08:04with the bar and or many times when
- 01:08:06they're done they'll finish with the bar
- 01:08:08yeah and I was talking to Jim about this
- 01:08:10if you if you think about it like it's
- 01:08:11kind of like that foam right you're
- 01:08:13walking on the foam like when you think
- 01:08:15about a regular barbell it really
- 01:08:16doesn't adapt to you so all that Force
- 01:08:18goes into the joints in this bar the bar
- 01:08:21actually adapts right so so it's not as
- 01:08:24hard on your joints does that make sense
- 01:08:27well yes because someone has to explain
- 01:08:29to me if you took a bench press and lost
- 01:08:31it dump it you hurt yourself This Bar
- 01:08:33you could go on your belly it could flop
- 01:08:35across your neck and I've never seen a
- 01:08:36guy get hurt now I'd like to get some
- 01:08:38physiologist here to tell me why yeah
- 01:08:40you know they need to come here and
- 01:08:41learn that's how the Russians got so
- 01:08:44strong they said scientists to their
- 01:08:46weight programs and they and they side
- 01:08:48by side that's where exercise and
- 01:08:49science actually meet not in America
- 01:08:52well and see that's it's got a fancy
- 01:08:53name but it does there's no correlation
- 01:08:55with doing exercise and science sorry
- 01:08:57guys that's the funny part is generally
- 01:08:59all the evidence-based stuff comes from
- 01:09:01someone doing it before there was any
- 01:09:03study oh yeah of course and then they
- 01:09:04figure out that something works let's
- 01:09:05study it and figure out why it works
- 01:09:07there's people so all these people that
- 01:09:09are like I'm only evidence-based well
- 01:09:10guess what they didn't just randomly
- 01:09:12pick that study for no apparent reason
- 01:09:14it's because someone was actually
- 01:09:15applying something and they said hey I'm
- 01:09:17getting results let's research this and
- 01:09:19figure out what it's doing yeah Tommy
- 01:09:20how many search papers have you seen on
- 01:09:22bands and chains and I've been doing
- 01:09:24these things for freaking 20 years you
- 01:09:26know but they're doing them now and they
- 01:09:27think it's revolutionary that's what you
- 01:09:29know man whatever they 25 years late but
- 01:09:32better late than never yeah you know one
- 01:09:34thing about the band bar too I would use
- 01:09:36numerous grips I started real close
- 01:09:38worked my way out every said I would use
- 01:09:40a different grip and also I put the bar
- 01:09:42down on my belly like a lot of shirt
- 01:09:44benchers would and a lot of it call MERS
- 01:09:46across my throat so I moved the bar up
- 01:09:48and down in and out I hit every angle I
- 01:09:51possibly could and it works real good on
- 01:09:53inclines and declines as well it works
- 01:09:55tremendous for tricep extensions upright
- 01:09:58rows upright rows I could never do an
- 01:09:59upright row but I could do upright row
- 01:10:01with that bar I mean these are the
- 01:10:02things I want to know why right regular
- 01:10:05barbell would kill my shoulders that bar
- 01:10:06I could do it I amazes me yeah it's uh
- 01:10:10that bar has been a a life sa of Love
- 01:10:11Are Fighters and Grapplers just uh for
- 01:10:14joint integrity and um for keeping their
- 01:10:17shoulders healthy and it's actually
- 01:10:19helped them reduce tendonitis especially
- 01:10:21from people when you miss a punch you
- 01:10:23lock out that arm it's been I mean oh
- 01:10:26it's been huge yeah how there's tons of
- 01:10:28injuries for overextension in boxing and
- 01:10:30uh another thing that I found to it help
- 01:10:32uh build up the upper body endurance is
- 01:10:35the Quasi isometrics we did with the the
- 01:10:37bamb bell bar we do that for time from 1
- 01:10:39minute to two minutes to three minutes
- 01:10:41the bar yeah and um but you hold it for
- 01:10:43different positions all the way through
- 01:10:45it's I mean and thankfully touch wood
- 01:10:48we've had very
- 01:10:49little injuries yeah because you use
- 01:10:52isometrics a lot in training with your
- 01:10:53Fighters especially the spa
- 01:10:55especially the ABS and all that other
- 01:10:57stuff and that's the interesting part
- 01:10:58that's the setting that I use it in from
- 01:11:00a therapeutic way right because when you
- 01:11:02think about an isometric and you start
- 01:11:04to think of all the advantages of that
- 01:11:05contraction right you got to figure you
- 01:11:09know one there's no joint sharing
- 01:11:10because there's no motion two there's no
- 01:11:12tissue Glide so those are the two
- 01:11:14mechanical properties that create
- 01:11:15inflammation right and so you don't have
- 01:11:18that then all the physiological
- 01:11:20adaptations from actually doing the
- 01:11:21contraction occurs 10 to 15 degrees
- 01:11:24above and below that specific angle so
- 01:11:26you're really able to start to acquire
- 01:11:29these end ranges or these beginning
- 01:11:31ranges that you never go into does that
- 01:11:33make sense and that's generally where
- 01:11:34the injuries occur so it's like it's
- 01:11:36like it's like remember when we were
- 01:11:37eating with Dan uh Dan from Melbourne
- 01:11:39storm and he was talking about you know
- 01:11:42training is figuring out how to distort
- 01:11:44something so that you can distort it
- 01:11:46then overload it well look at isometrics
- 01:11:48that's exactly what it is right so you
- 01:11:50can train your Fighters or you can train
- 01:11:52the lifters in this safe setting and you
- 01:11:54could start to overload and capture
- 01:11:55something that they don't have we do
- 01:11:57quite a few isometrics and also what
- 01:11:59Tom's doing you know uh you can do I
- 01:12:01mean he does it for 1 2 3 minutes 5
- 01:12:03minutes uh why because you can breathe
- 01:12:06same thing in a bell squat you can get
- 01:12:07in a bell Squat and get in a skater pose
- 01:12:09or any kind of pose and you can breathe
- 01:12:11uh you know you can only hold your
- 01:12:12breath so long I mean that's one uh
- 01:12:14problem with isometrics if you pull
- 01:12:16maximum hold your breath uh but I've saw
- 01:12:19Studies by the old Soviets and they said
- 01:12:21that exactly what Tom's doing by using
- 01:12:23submaximal isometric t for a long period
- 01:12:26of time is just as effective as pulling
- 01:12:27maximally yeah and see that's the funny
- 01:12:29part too is like one of the fighters
- 01:12:31that was having backs spasms that we
- 01:12:32were working with right the first thing
- 01:12:34that we do is if you're having if you're
- 01:12:36having that neurological issue you need
- 01:12:37to go into that range and you need to
- 01:12:39start getting good inputs in that range
- 01:12:40not rest it yeah do you I mean because
- 01:12:43the spasm or the neurological issu is
- 01:12:45occurring because of some input so you
- 01:12:47need to get another input in there to
- 01:12:48start to show that hey no it's safe to
- 01:12:51function there there's too much neural
- 01:12:52drive going into the tissues and so it's
- 01:12:54the same thing where Tom was able to put
- 01:12:56these guys in the reverse hyper and
- 01:12:57start to isometrically load them in the
- 01:12:59reverse hyper at specific angles so
- 01:13:02think about that if if you're worried
- 01:13:03about the any sort of uh Mo uh Motion in
- 01:13:07your spine on a reverse hyper you can go
- 01:13:09there it's an open chain setting you can
- 01:13:11apply manual Force into that range and
- 01:13:14start to acquire those ranges very
- 01:13:15safely what about when someone trying to
- 01:13:17arm bar you and you're trying to hold it
- 01:13:18out and you know you got to you got to
- 01:13:20be able to be real strong in those weird
- 01:13:22positions you know where my arm will
- 01:13:24never even get or even risk control
- 01:13:26isometrically you know you I got good
- 01:13:28rist control on you you know it's a
- 01:13:29fight to get bust that rist loosen well
- 01:13:31do you notice the difference in
- 01:13:33individuals who squat so a squat is an
- 01:13:35isometric contraction in your spine you
- 01:13:37want all the motion to come from your
- 01:13:38hips yeah right so when you start to see
- 01:13:40someone coming back and forth what does
- 01:13:41that show you they don't have isometric
- 01:13:43capacity in their spine right so what do
- 01:13:45you do go to the reverse hyper
- 01:13:47isometrically contract the tissue a
- 01:13:49friend of M what's the exercise called a
- 01:13:51cobra what is it you know get on your
- 01:13:53stomach my friend go oh I do cobras and
- 01:13:56I go what I said what about well you
- 01:13:58can't do a Cobra on hyperextension why
- 01:14:01don't you lift the weight up and hold it
- 01:14:02to the
- 01:14:03rear my friend and he goes oh I never
- 01:14:07thought of that you could do that with
- 01:14:10we said resistance you know I want to go
- 01:14:11back to the shoulder though two things
- 01:14:13um I bought this right away couldn't use
- 01:14:15it in the beginning so I just did
- 01:14:16partials you know just partials High
- 01:14:18rips in here just rep after rep after
- 01:14:21rep hitting my shoulder any way any kind
- 01:14:23of Direction I could you know both ways
- 01:14:26you know like this and then then I
- 01:14:27finally got thrown up just like a normal
- 01:14:29human
- 01:14:30just just pop that thing all kind of
- 01:14:33ways I do a lot like
- 01:14:36this and and it build up build up my
- 01:14:38shoulder my anterior adults and so forth
- 01:14:40this has been a life saver and I got a
- 01:14:42stronger one I can finally use now and
- 01:14:44uh but also um straight arm poers now I
- 01:14:48could not do straight on Polar in the EV
- 01:14:50like most people but I get in my lap
- 01:14:51machine and and Tom's done this with the
- 01:14:54guys and I sat down on lap machine
- 01:14:56facing away from with lightweight and
- 01:14:57let it pull my arms over my head I'm
- 01:14:59getting that weight resistance for to
- 01:15:02gain range of motion now weight
- 01:15:03resistance is the greatest way to build
- 01:15:05flexibility you know if you ever had a
- 01:15:075-in camera bar you can't touch it put
- 01:15:09more weight on it but you're going to
- 01:15:10get it down it's extreme but that's the
- 01:15:13theory I do a lot of straight arm real
- 01:15:15close grip real wide grip getting
- 01:15:17because you told me to put a you know
- 01:15:18put my hands behind my head with
- 01:15:19broomstick W that wasn't happening but
- 01:15:22that's kind of you know kind of like the
- 01:15:23beginning of what I do but the the
- 01:15:25pullovers and I mean I do things for
- 01:15:28four and five minutes at a time I've
- 01:15:29done ABS 15 minutes straight static ABS
- 01:15:32the static abs like you're grappling
- 01:15:34with somebody so you want to do ultra
- 01:15:36High Reps and just blow yourself up you
- 01:15:37know it's basically called lactic acid
- 01:15:40tolerance training bodybuilder goes
- 01:15:41through this you know your arms are all
- 01:15:43blown up you got 10 more reps then STP
- 01:15:45some weight got 10 more rep yeah you
- 01:15:47know
- 01:15:48100% yeah so anyhow that's that that's
- 01:15:51pretty much how I I rehab my shoulder a
- 01:15:53lot of uh upper back work
- 01:15:55and um uh a lot of band work and a lot
- 01:15:58of ultra Ultra High Reps As I push my
- 01:16:00weights up yeah and one of the things
- 01:16:01that I want to make a note of is just
- 01:16:03because it always annoys me seeing
- 01:16:04people that just do band work where they
- 01:16:06let the band stretch them like you're
- 01:16:08doing all the work there thus you're
- 01:16:11actually see in order to increase
- 01:16:13capacity you have to do some sort of
- 01:16:15work you can't let the band do the work
- 01:16:17right you have to do the work that's the
- 01:16:19reason why these machines like a reverse
- 01:16:21hyper are so invaluable because you can
- 01:16:23add load to them work as big being done
- 01:16:25thus capacity is being increased these
- 01:16:27people that want to hold these static
- 01:16:29stretches and they think that they
- 01:16:30acquire a useful range of motion you
- 01:16:32just don't there has to be some sort you
- 01:16:35have to be doing work a lot of people
- 01:16:37don't like doing this work because it's
- 01:16:38small detailed work that's really hard
- 01:16:41and it's a process but you have to do
- 01:16:44the work I can't stress that enough I
- 01:16:46see all these I see people doing all
- 01:16:48these stuff with bands and stuff like
- 01:16:49that and that's great if it makes you
- 01:16:51feel better and neurologically opens up
- 01:16:53a range that you can train but but then
- 01:16:55they're not training that range right
- 01:16:57and so that's the most frustrating part
- 01:16:59from a ther from me being a manual
- 01:17:01therapist's perspective is every time I
- 01:17:03work on someone I'm having them do some
- 01:17:05sort of work does that make sense so
- 01:17:07that once they get up they've increased
- 01:17:09their capacity in some way we've loaded
- 01:17:12the tissues there's neural drive there
- 01:17:13there's sensory information so that
- 01:17:15they're better match for whatever their
- 01:17:17demands are I've I've had lineman uh you
- 01:17:19know hook up bands and hook it to a post
- 01:17:21and go out for like a you know blocking
- 01:17:23the other offensive lineman or defensive
- 01:17:25line what the case may be or for take
- 01:17:27downs and run I'm sure time doesn't so
- 01:17:29coach says cuz I told my P said well why
- 01:17:32don't you just put a banner on your
- 01:17:33waist their waist and and give them
- 01:17:35resistance well Tommy don't you do this
- 01:17:37for a half a bile a mile you want to
- 01:17:39walk behind with someone for half a mile
- 01:17:41a mile hold them I don't think so you
- 01:17:43know that's why I mean you got to be
- 01:17:45smarter than the weights and like you
- 01:17:47said you know and you know people in my
- 01:17:49sport it's for me for years you know I
- 01:17:52didn't want to take out the trash you
- 01:17:53know all I want to do is you know the
- 01:17:55big three list and get out and the
- 01:17:57hardest say in our sport I think is
- 01:17:59doing the small exercise it doesn't make
- 01:18:00sense to a lot of people but when they
- 01:18:02finally get it they don't get hurt
- 01:18:04anymore I tell you what it's a crucial
- 01:18:06part of our sport that we got to train
- 01:18:08in these crazy ranges of motion because
- 01:18:11fighting is very unpredictable you got
- 01:18:12no idea where it's going to go and back
- 01:18:15to the shoulder rehab I know you're the
- 01:18:18one who got me to do it but that uh war
- 01:18:20wagon or that wheelbarrow shrugs have
- 01:18:23those have been the the biggest thing
- 01:18:24for my posture on my shoulders
- 01:18:26unbelievable but that and we've been
- 01:18:28super setting that with um Rose and the
- 01:18:30bell squat hey you do them you I mean
- 01:18:33that that's a hell of a super set by
- 01:18:35keeping your posture up but again show
- 01:18:37because of the arm locks and arm bars
- 01:18:40and just the way your shoulders go
- 01:18:41through them ranges of motion that
- 01:18:43wheelbarrow and now I've Incorporated
- 01:18:45those um l or the pullovers in the lap
- 01:18:47machine I mean you can just see that
- 01:18:49their chest cavity everything's opening
- 01:18:51up real good and one arm will give you
- 01:18:53greater range than two arm m
- 01:18:55yeah I mean anything you do you can do a
- 01:18:57one leg split but you can't necessarily
- 01:18:58do a two leg split right yeah yeah
- 01:19:02that's a that's a good point cuz your
- 01:19:03repost is really changed even it's help
- 01:19:05your squat form cuz now your shoulders
- 01:19:07are back far we got a kid came here
- 01:19:08right now very internally rotated and uh
- 01:19:11so that's what we're working on right
- 01:19:12now trying to get that external rotation
- 01:19:14for his bench and his squat right and we
- 01:19:17in three months we took him from a 900
- 01:19:18squat to 1,000 in contest put $160 total
- 01:19:21in three months but work he definitely
- 01:19:23can go way up from that but we got to
- 01:19:25work on that external rotation what I've
- 01:19:28notic is it teaches your body what to do
- 01:19:30especially in heavy weight the first
- 01:19:31time I can actually feel my upper back
- 01:19:33contract and then I can lock something
- 01:19:35in um and it actually worked without
- 01:19:39doing things involuntary like I could
- 01:19:40feel everything activating and for the
- 01:19:42first time driving up in a squat I let
- 01:19:44on my head and that normally doesn't
- 01:19:46happen but you got to do these thousands
- 01:19:47of reps to teach your body how to do
- 01:19:49well well the funny part was I was
- 01:19:51working with this guy online uh from the
- 01:19:53UK he's physical therapist this morning
- 01:19:55right he wants to acquire more internal
- 01:19:56rotation his hip joint so the system I
- 01:19:59use is called functional range
- 01:20:00conditioning F FRC right it's isometrics
- 01:20:02Progressive and regressive isometrics
- 01:20:05and it's
- 01:20:06funny he realized how much it sucks to
- 01:20:09do the small work right because I told
- 01:20:11him I'm like the issue is you're doing
- 01:20:13it but you're not isometrically loading
- 01:20:15enough so I'd load him in an interval
- 01:20:1720% 40% 60% 80% right well the issue was
- 01:20:21I go are you at 80% cuz you're not
- 01:20:23straining he talks to me yeah this is
- 01:20:2480% no if you're if you're talking to me
- 01:20:27you're not loading at 80% you're not
- 01:20:29straining nearly enough and I think
- 01:20:31that's what people understand is how
- 01:20:32hard like the work that you're talking
- 01:20:34about if you a lot of people may see the
- 01:20:36wheelbarrow and they're like oh that
- 01:20:37looks easy but if you're if you're
- 01:20:39actually controlling the wheelbarrow and
- 01:20:41not letting the wheelbarrow control you
- 01:20:43right it's totally different I mean I
- 01:20:46can only do about two sets of of I'll do
- 01:20:4810 reps one way 10 reps the other way
- 01:20:51and my entire upper thoracic all that
- 01:20:53musculature is is just it's trashed yeah
- 01:20:57well I noed Tommy though got a lot of
- 01:20:59bench press records too and you start
- 01:21:01doing that wheel B show you know you got
- 01:21:02to have a strong upper back to bench but
- 01:21:04and you can't be like this and think
- 01:21:06you're don't bench a lot yeah because
- 01:21:07you got to be able to isometrically take
- 01:21:08your your shoulder blades and plant them
- 01:21:11and then go into this joint and get
- 01:21:12range of motion in that joint to load
- 01:21:14your packs what I found over the years
- 01:21:16as I got older I couldn't bench wi
- 01:21:17anymore I used to bench illegal years
- 01:21:18ago as a training agent and I found out
- 01:21:21the close grip you will not work your
- 01:21:22scapula near as much of the close grip
- 01:21:24as you do W grip you have to do some
- 01:21:25white grip somehow yeah pull that scap
- 01:21:28together yeah 100% yeah so that's one
- 01:21:32thing that's why I got to you everybody
- 01:21:33wants to use this one grip you can't you
- 01:21:35got to use all these different grip Bill
- 01:21:37casmar used three different grips I
- 01:21:38didn't know the red and Iron Man years
- 01:21:40ago he used three every grips just like
- 01:21:42we do I never told Bill to do it and
- 01:21:44Bill didn't tell me to do it but we both
- 01:21:46learned you got to use different grips
- 01:21:48and and just if you have a repetitive
- 01:21:49strain injury it's going to decrease if
- 01:21:51you're if you're always uh changing it
- 01:21:53up as far as your grips it's going to
- 01:21:56reduce the repetitive strain injury as
- 01:21:57well because you're going to load
- 01:21:58tissues differently right you and also
- 01:22:01like for the shoulder to thing although
- 01:22:02I did break my snap my neck would drive
- 01:22:04my head in the bench um but you want to
- 01:22:07train your neck that's one of the
- 01:22:08muscles P that's the most neglected
- 01:22:10muscle in the body and there's pictures
- 01:22:12Tom I know you swinging 215 around and S
- 01:22:15with a neck hor
- 01:22:17215 not 215s 215 lbs we do lots and lots
- 01:22:21of neck I like long periods of neck you
- 01:22:23saw I do it for five 6 minutes at a time
- 01:22:26just holding just like a Tommy have me
- 01:22:29in a clinch or something I just
- 01:22:30constantly until I just blow it up then
- 01:22:32I turn around and do it in reverse you
- 01:22:34know so I do ultra High Reps but I don't
- 01:22:37know I think we cover a lot have Tom I I
- 01:22:40want to bring up a few things like a lot
- 01:22:42of people said well what have you done
- 01:22:44how how have you AED your self- recovery
- 01:22:46you name it I've done it won't get in
- 01:22:48everything but the common things I've
- 01:22:50used Prolotherapy I've used a lot of s
- 01:22:52injections as much as 48C as you too
- 01:22:55well know in my neck upper back I've you
- 01:22:58I've had platelet injections stem cell
- 01:23:01injections you know they gave you stem
- 01:23:02cell and platelets that seemed to work
- 01:23:04quite well I mean it's been about what 3
- 01:23:06months now and uh it's working real well
- 01:23:09I believe you you you sometimes you need
- 01:23:11a chiropractor uh um John uh your um
- 01:23:15what your I do release functional range
- 01:23:18release mhm I had one of the best things
- 01:23:20I ever had when there was a good one
- 01:23:22town was Roofing break out the scar
- 01:23:24tissue acupuncture if they're good
- 01:23:27acupressure and um you know so that
- 01:23:29covers a lot of stuff and uh but you
- 01:23:32always look for a way there's a way out
- 01:23:34there don't give up on yourself always
- 01:23:36get on time's great on if all knows some
- 01:23:38time gets internet I don't know how to
- 01:23:39get on a computer but if I want to know
- 01:23:41some times on the internet uh he's got
- 01:23:44the answer to me in two freaking minutes
- 01:23:46you know what I mean and then we try it
- 01:23:48and like I said don't I've had coaches
- 01:23:50big coaches they were afraid to do
- 01:23:52something because they thought theyd
- 01:23:53look stupid I never been afraid to look
- 01:23:55stupid you know if you do 20 things
- 01:23:58wrong but find one thing right it could
- 01:24:00it could make or break a lifter in your
- 01:24:01gym or or a fighter or anything else or
- 01:24:05a u a patient and it's the same thing
- 01:24:08finding out what not to do is also
- 01:24:10progress yes right it's one of yeah yeah
- 01:24:13you're finding out the negatives don't
- 01:24:14do this don't do this which gives you it
- 01:24:16put you on the path to actually finding
- 01:24:18out what you need to do or what you can
- 01:24:20do I believe the West Side system is
- 01:24:22safe the safest system in the world you
- 01:24:24got remember all these injuries started
- 01:24:26back in the early 80s I had no idea I
- 01:24:28did Progressive gradual overload
- 01:24:29training it was all wrong that's where I
- 01:24:32accumulated a lot of these problems and
- 01:24:33there was no gear I mean I made top 10
- 01:24:36from 1980 to uh 2002 22 years with and
- 01:24:41without shirts and I did it because I
- 01:24:43got smarter I didn't get any stronger I
- 01:24:44just got smarter yeah so you got to
- 01:24:47always try to find a better way it's the
- 01:24:49same thing if you train smarter then you
- 01:24:50can train harder right exactly so to
- 01:24:54many guys train hard get hurt and they
- 01:24:56can't figure it out you got you just got
- 01:24:57to go at it a systematic approach yeah
- 01:25:02um I've got a question that's I'm sure
- 01:25:05that some people think
- 01:25:06about why did you not quit like you you
- 01:25:09had all these injuries a lot of people
- 01:25:12they got a little Nicks and they gone
- 01:25:14but what drives what drove you to from
- 01:25:1673 all the way up to now because now
- 01:25:18you're the first person in the gym and
- 01:25:20last one out what what what drove you to
- 01:25:23always seeking out answer I don't think
- 01:25:25I'm spatial I think I just born with no
- 01:25:27quit I mean my dad would never let me
- 01:25:30quit doing anything you know and I mean
- 01:25:32when I broke my back I would I trained
- 01:25:34in my basement I had a mirror and a
- 01:25:35radio that was my training part I had no
- 01:25:37training partner for six years and I
- 01:25:39would go down look at that mirror
- 01:25:40looking at myself saying how am I going
- 01:25:41to get well what I like I said I try to
- 01:25:43do I try to do this try to do that try
- 01:25:45nothing worked and I and then I just
- 01:25:47went in my own mind and um and thought
- 01:25:50about and basically went into a a
- 01:25:52meditational state and said you know I
- 01:25:54went into emptiness and that's what I
- 01:25:55practice a lot and I came up with that
- 01:25:57exercise but I mean all these things
- 01:25:59happened I tore my knee off my kneecap
- 01:26:00sitting on the side my leg and I and I
- 01:26:02said to myself how long is this going to
- 01:26:04take to fix not oh I'm done you you if
- 01:26:07you quit one time guys you're a
- 01:26:09quitter quit one time at anything you're
- 01:26:12a quitter you'll quit at anything it
- 01:26:14sets you up to quit and I you know I I
- 01:26:17can't compete anymore because my my
- 01:26:19knee's pretty bad and my neck but I
- 01:26:21train all the time and like I said I'm
- 01:26:23you know the restaurant opens up at 6:00
- 01:26:25I'm sitting there at
- 01:26:265:15 all right like a stalker I you know
- 01:26:29there's no way I 4:00 I my clock 4:00
- 01:26:31a.m. in the morning I'm done I got to
- 01:26:33get up I can't take a chance of ever
- 01:26:35being late and I'll be back here tonight
- 01:26:37I don't know what time it is now I'll be
- 01:26:39back late tonight doing another workout
- 01:26:40I worked out already this morning I'll
- 01:26:42leave here and do a little bit and come
- 01:26:43back late tonight and and I people say
- 01:26:46why do I like to train by myself if you
- 01:26:48train by yourself you really find out if
- 01:26:49you really want to train if I ain't got
- 01:26:51Tommy up my ass saying come on you got
- 01:26:53to do another r or you doing something
- 01:26:55if I'm here by me saying Lou Lou I got
- 01:26:58to do another rep that's when you really
- 01:26:59want toink but I mean what all these
- 01:27:02injuries is how I came up with all these
- 01:27:03methods and it was a hard way but
- 01:27:06someone had to do it me and me and Dave
- 01:27:08Tate ruined our our shoulder squatting
- 01:27:11with too much band Rob fuser and um
- 01:27:13George howbert ruined their shoulders uh
- 01:27:16too much in this in the bench but
- 01:27:18someone had to do it you know mean you
- 01:27:20got to put too much salt in the food
- 01:27:22until you find out too much salt we were
- 01:27:24just unfortunately the ones I was never
- 01:27:25afraid to try anything they weren't
- 01:27:27either I had the greatest group of guys
- 01:27:28in the world if I said hey I want to try
- 01:27:30this let's do it you know Bo had
- 01:27:32experimental groups Jim's nothing but
- 01:27:34experiment and the hardest thing now
- 01:27:36what's hardest thing foron get a lifter
- 01:27:38a real lifter I'm getting too old to
- 01:27:41take average I don't need average
- 01:27:42average people will give you average
- 01:27:44results you have to have abnormal people
- 01:27:46if you want abnormal
- 01:27:48results what do you say the people out
- 01:27:50there who've been told by their their
- 01:27:53doctors surgeons and um physical
- 01:27:55therapists that they should stop or they
- 01:27:58should not like to people out there who
- 01:28:00have got injured since you've came back
- 01:28:01from so much what's the biggest piece of
- 01:28:03advice you could tell them uh I when I
- 01:28:06was getting operated on my shoulder um
- 01:28:09the last time a woman said why what do
- 01:28:11you do when people tell you not to do
- 01:28:12this I says I don't hang around people
- 01:28:14to tell me not to do this if you run
- 01:28:16with the limb you develop a limp only
- 01:28:17hang around positive people I got I'm
- 01:28:20surrounded by very smart people way
- 01:28:21smarter than me and I I I I you I mean
- 01:28:24I'm not I use them but I I they're at my
- 01:28:26disposal and I let them I give them
- 01:28:28leadway to do what they do best and I I
- 01:28:30think that's what makes a you know a
- 01:28:33good a successful anything business gym
- 01:28:36you got to go in there I mean that's why
- 01:28:38you know John's a great part of this gym
- 01:28:40uh Tom everybody everybody in my gym I
- 01:28:42can learn from the uh the least
- 01:28:44knowledgeable guy in my gym am I right
- 01:28:47that's where I learn because I'm going
- 01:28:48like what the hell's wrong with this guy
- 01:28:49I mean I grew up you know I was top 10
- 01:28:51squat for in five weight classes I see a
- 01:28:53guy how going what's wrong with that guy
- 01:28:56you know cuz I come up everybody we
- 01:28:58learned how they I taught him they were
- 01:28:59you know really good technicians and
- 01:29:01then when I but that's why I learned
- 01:29:03what this guy's do wrong I got to
- 01:29:04explain what he's doing wrong I mean U
- 01:29:06you know that's what Carlos said that he
- 01:29:09learned uh you learn from bad bad
- 01:29:11Grapplers bad Jiu-Jitsu guys not good
- 01:29:14ones because a good one you be tell me
- 01:29:15for 20 minutes on the on the mat but a
- 01:29:17bad one you'll learn or you know guy you
- 01:29:19I'm going to get your arm and own your
- 01:29:21arm you got to protect his arm that's
- 01:29:22how he got better so that's what I do I
- 01:29:24use I I I learn from everybody you know
- 01:29:27everybody oh they think they know
- 01:29:28everything and like I I I asked the guy
- 01:29:30this morning I said you know I'm not a
- 01:29:32religious person but he is I said you
- 01:29:34read the Bible every day and he goes I
- 01:29:36read the Bible every day I said then why
- 01:29:38don't a coach read a book every day you
- 01:29:40think you read a book one time and
- 01:29:42understand a book you're crazy I've
- 01:29:43talked to how many people Tommy that
- 01:29:45bought super train I read super training
- 01:29:47so what you ain't got a freaking clue
- 01:29:49how to train you know I read box of
- 01:29:52magazines but don't how to box you know
- 01:29:54you got to you got you got to be in the
- 01:29:56trenches and do this stuff you know in
- 01:29:58your job uh you went to school you had
- 01:30:01CL but when you actually got in it you
- 01:30:03know then you're responsible for your
- 01:30:04clients that's when you really learn to
- 01:30:06be very good at what you do yeah that's
- 01:30:08right and when I've got a responsibility
- 01:30:10here if a guy come Tommy 95% of people
- 01:30:13in that gym moved here having day and I
- 01:30:15got we got a responsibility you know I
- 01:30:17can't have a move here and go backwards
- 01:30:19and I can also say the one guy just got
- 01:30:21removed from my gym uh there's no there
- 01:30:24was no hope for him he could not do the
- 01:30:25training and you know is always it came
- 01:30:28in hurt and I I I have confidence in
- 01:30:31saying if you come here and you don't
- 01:30:33get any better you suck anyhow cuz this
- 01:30:36I've never seen a system this good I
- 01:30:37mean we got too many people there's too
- 01:30:39many stats to even consider at looking
- 01:30:42up you know lightest the squad first you
- 01:30:44know um lightest Squad a th liest the
- 01:30:47squad 9 you know mean we're going to
- 01:30:49have another light us at 165 is going
- 01:30:51squat 9 we have 181 squat 1,00 I
- 01:30:54guarantee it you know what I mean we've
- 01:30:55had so many things though that um I
- 01:30:58can't even keep up this stat myself I
- 01:31:00don't going to try if you look at the
- 01:31:02greatest totals ever made the top 10 we
- 01:31:06we load up on the top 10 you know like
- 01:31:08the top sprint times in the world bold
- 01:31:10holds probably four or five so do
- 01:31:13we you know no one no one can say
- 01:31:17that but I just I can't I don't have
- 01:31:19quit in me I mean like I you know Tom
- 01:31:21you do all my business right now we got
- 01:31:23two projects M and they could be big
- 01:31:26money makers not that I care about the
- 01:31:27money but I'm glad I we haven't got them
- 01:31:30out there because I need something look
- 01:31:31forward to every day got to have some
- 01:31:33kind of fight you know till I die you
- 01:31:37slow down you go down that's
- 01:31:39right
- 01:31:45100% well other than that I think we
- 01:31:47cover a lot in this um podcast i' like
- 01:31:50to thank John like to thank Lou this has
- 01:31:52been the Westside Bar podcast and we'll
- 01:31:54be back with you guys really
- 01:31:57soon thank you man yo yeah for
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