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whether or not your ears were burning in
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just a moment as you figured prominently
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at the end of the debate i first of all
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though want to get your overall
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impression of what went on stage last
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night was there a knockout punch did it
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change anything
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no knockout punch uh both main
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protagonists that is to say uh Prime
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Minister Carney and Mr pv I think they
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both did very well carney is in one of
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those positions where he just has to
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keep a lid on things he didn't want to
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slip on a banana peel or give his
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adversaries an occasion to have an aha
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moment um Mr singh did a lot of talking
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over the the other people who were on
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the stage that was unfortunate the night
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before he had actually gone after the
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moderator so obviously a lot of pressure
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on his shoulders right now mr blanchett
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I mean the question could be honestly
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asked if he should have been on that
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stage at all given the fact that they
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are far from the 90% of uh of seats you
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know where you have to be running
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candidates they're only running them in
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Quebec um uh he he did his best he he
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again you know he took shots that that
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were completely gratuitous because he
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has no financial documents to put on the
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table he doesn't have to he's never
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going to have to make a decision about
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anything in the real world so the the
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two main people of
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course Carney and PV were going at it
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strongly um and sometimes there yes Mr
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pyv had learned the trick of talking
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over Mr carney and the moderator didn't
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react to that as I think he might have
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there was a certain limit that was
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reached where nobody watching could
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understand a word that was being said
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and that's not fair for your opponent
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and it's not fair for the listening
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public overall uh there was something
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outside of the debate the that caused a
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lot of the details to be pushed to the
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bottom of the page of the newspaper
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articles and it's the stunt of the fake
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journalists for the fake news outlets
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right-wing outlets that are fairly
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favorable to to Mr puy and why that's a
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shame for Mr puy is because he did well
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in the debate you know there are things
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that he could have and should have been
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talking about in in terms of the debate
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but in instead people were talking about
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the gong show put on by these as I say
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uh you know the these extreme right-wing
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media and they were putting on a show to
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draw attention to themselves and maybe
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get people get eyeballs on their on
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their websites and that sort of thing
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but I'm not sure it helped Mr polyv in
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fact I'm quite convinced of the contrary
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actually I was quite surprised he wasn't
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asked about that when he uh was before
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the cameras a short time ago and as a
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result of that the postdebate scrums
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were cancelled they were called down so
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that deprised Canadians I think yeah
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just so people understand this Marcia we
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understand that terminology the
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post-debate scrums but that's the 10
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minutes where real journalists get to
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ask real questions uh of the the of the
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candidates and you have to stand there
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and you're going to say how well you did
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in the debate and how awful the others
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were but you're going to eventually have
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to answer a few good questions and a lot
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of juice comes out of those meetings
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between journalists and the and the
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candidates at those post-debate scrums
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yes they were cancelled i mean I there
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will be a postmortem on the famous
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leaders debate commission i have a
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feeling that the leaders debate
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commission will be decommissioned as
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soon as this thing is over they did an
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abysmal job let me get now to uh your
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sort of cameo i'm going to play that
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sound where you were brought up and
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we're going to get your reaction to it
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let's listen sure now given that Canada
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has
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experienced Chinese interference by by
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Beijing the government of China in two
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consecutive elections I needed to do my
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job to speak freely without fear of
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prosecution and that was not something I
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would be allowed to do even Thomas
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Mulair the former leader of the NDP said
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that when he was the leader of the of
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the opposition he never would have
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accepted the kind of gag order that your
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government and Mr trudeau's government
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was attempting to impose on me
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okay so he was being asked about why he
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hasn't read those documents something
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that you and I have talked about a
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number of times i got to be frank with
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you Tom i've never understood why you
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don't think he should read them so give
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us your thoughts um around that exchange
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and how you were characterized and what
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you think will come from that if
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anything i was I'm I'm not going to put
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myself in the legions of the misqued mr
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pv gave a perfect accounting of my
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position on this which is the same as
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his you're not just a member of
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parliament every MP is beholden to their
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their voters Marcia but you're the
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leader of his majesty's loyal opposition
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in my case it was her majesties and you
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have a special job to do under the
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constitution and institutionally and no
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you should not have your hands tied by
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going and seeing documents that the
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government says now you're not allowed
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to talk about this issue anymore you
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can't talk about what we've just shown
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you that's a mug's game and he was right
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to to refuse it now there's another
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aspect to this as a political observer
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and no longer as the former head of the
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opposition that I found interesting mr
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carney like the other leaders had one a
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total of one question that he was
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allowed to ask any other leader mr
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carney chose to ask that one on the
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issue of security clearance to Mr puv
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how in heaven's name did that make it
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all the way up to Mr carney what staffer
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said "Oh we've really got Puy on this
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one let's go after it." Puv's answer he
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he cracked it out of the ballpark he
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said "I've got a security clearance that
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I've had since I was the Minister of
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Housing and Minister back in Harper's
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Day no I'm not going to have my hands
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tied by the government i'm the leader of
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the opposition i have a job to do." And
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so how is it possible that in the the
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shop around Mr carney the same elves who
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were there for Mr trudeau this was a
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madeup thing by Mr trudeau to try to
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push back against Pierre Palev at the
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time because Trudeau was in such dire
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difficulty on foreign interference he
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tried to give it to David Johnston the
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the former governor general he then
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handed it off to a royal commission that
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basically said "Yeah we got to be
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careful." But didn't name any names so
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this was a madeup thing by Justin
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Trudeau to fight back against Palev the
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fact that somehow somebody around Mark
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Carney who's now the prime minister
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who's running you know and is doing very
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well made that into his hands as the
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question against PV that's a mystery
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that I'd love to find the answer to
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because it made no sense that he was
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asking that question so a wasted
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opportunity in other words absolutely
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well said interesting all right uh Tom
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we got to leave it there for today we
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got drug meet sing coming up in just a
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second but great to chat with you Tom
