The End of Duolingo. What now for language learners?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNdHUaSCdcw

概要

TLDRThe video critiques Duolingo's recent changes and effectiveness as a language learning tool, arguing that it has never been effective and is now worse due to its AI-first approach and rising costs. The speaker suggests that users are in a toxic relationship with the app, feeling guilty about missed days and tied to streaks. They recommend Speakly as a better alternative, highlighting its effective teaching methods and lower cost. The speaker encourages viewers to reconsider their use of Duolingo and explore other language learning resources.

収穫

  • 🚫 Duolingo's effectiveness is questioned.
  • 💰 Prices are rising without quality improvement.
  • 🤖 Shift to AI-first approach criticized.
  • 📉 Users feel guilty about missed days.
  • 🔄 Speakly is recommended as a better alternative.
  • 📚 Speakly offers context-based learning.
  • 🎧 Listening exercises are included in Speakly.
  • 💵 Speakly is significantly cheaper than Duolingo.
  • 🛑 Users may be in a toxic relationship with Duolingo.
  • 🔍 Explore other language learning resources.

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  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    The speaker discusses the recent controversies surrounding Duolingo, criticizing its effectiveness in teaching languages and expressing concerns about its shift to an AI-first model. They argue that Duolingo has never been a reliable tool for language learning, comparing it to learning guitar through Guitar Hero, and highlight the decline in quality and increase in costs associated with the app.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    The speaker elaborates on Duolingo's monetization strategy, noting its transition from a free service to a premium model that increasingly restricts access to features unless users pay. They emphasize that the app fosters a toxic relationship with users, who feel pressured to maintain streaks rather than genuinely learn a language, and suggest that Duolingo is more focused on profit than effective language education.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:04

    In contrast, the speaker introduces Speakly as a superior alternative for language learning, highlighting its effective teaching methods and affordability. They encourage users to try Speakly, emphasizing its focus on context and real language use, and suggest that those still using Duolingo reconsider their choice, as it may not serve their learning goals.

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ビデオQ&A

  • What are the main criticisms of Duolingo?

    Duolingo is criticized for being ineffective at teaching languages, shifting to an AI-first approach, and increasing prices without improving quality.

  • What is the alternative to Duolingo mentioned in the video?

    The alternative mentioned is Speakly, which the speaker believes is a better language learning app.

  • How does Speakly differ from Duolingo?

    Speakly focuses on teaching words in context and includes listening exercises with real human audio, unlike Duolingo's repetitive methods.

  • What is the cost of Speakly compared to Duolingo?

    Speakly is significantly cheaper, with a lifetime subscription costing around $70, while Duolingo's premium options are much more expensive.

  • What does the speaker suggest about users' relationships with Duolingo?

    The speaker suggests that many users are in a toxic relationship with Duolingo, feeling guilty about missed days and not actually learning the language.

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  • 00:00:00
    Have y'all seen what's happening with
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    Dolingo? If you guys don't know, there's
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    been a lot of drama with Dolingo
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    recently. Dolingo has lost a lot of the
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    credibility that it Dolingo is
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    successful not because it's a good ass.
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    100% not trying to learn a language with
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    Dolingo. It's like trying to learn how
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    to play guitar with Guitar Hero. I've
  • 00:00:15
    been saying this for 6 years. There's a
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    lot of push back. I wonder you know what
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    your response is to some of the
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    concerns. Duolingo have announced
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    they're going to be an AI first company.
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    They don't really care about human
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    workers. We're going to use AI. You can
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    definitely tell there have been hits to
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    quality and you're going to learn just
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    the same as you've been learning. And I
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    had friends who were like, I'm not
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    learning anything
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    already. It's my family. I'm fighting
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    every day.
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    So, Duolingo never really worked before
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    this. It has been very ineffective at
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    teaching languages for the entirety of
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    its existence. But recently, they
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    announced that it will not just be
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    getting worse, but will be absolutely
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    terrible. Dualingo has made this app
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    more and more progressively useless in
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    terms of actual language learning. They
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    of course did not use that language.
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    Instead going with the language of an AI
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    first company, not AI assisted, not AI
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    enhanced, just AI first. You don't need
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    to speak any other language to know that
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    AI first means garbage slop [ __ ] And
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    also the price is going up. You're
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    paying more for the garbage slop. Like
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    where's all my money going? You're not
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    adding new lessons. You're not approving
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    your courses. A new app has come out
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    that has all the best elements of
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    Dolingo. Like what? What were the good
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    elements of Duolingo? That's like saying
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    something includes all the best elements
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    of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster. What
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    were the good elements?
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    Uranium. I honestly don't think that
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    anyone is talking about the worst
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    element of all this. And we're going to
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    get to that.
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    Hola
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    Alice.
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    Hola Sally
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    tango
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    bonita bueno.
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    Buenoto is
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    um sympathingo has always been known for
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    having little mistakes here or there.
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    They were always very forgivable because
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    it was like ah this is just a small team
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    run by some people who really want
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    people to get into language learning.
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    What? No, like yeah, maybe in the early
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    days, but I'm talking like the really
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    early days when the people using Dolingo
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    were [ __ ] Aztecs. In all seriousness,
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    Duolingo has never been a little startup
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    who couldn't afford to fix mistakes.
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    Even in 2011 when they started, their
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    focus has always been on money, and the
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    mistakes did not cost them money or did
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    not cost them very much money, so they
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    didn't fix them and make more money. And
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    if you're one of those people who
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    thinks, well, no, in the early days they
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    kind of have just been focused on money
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    because it was completely free, uh, yes,
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    they can still have been focused on
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    money back then. It's just that they
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    have a much longerterm view of how to
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    make a lot of money than most of us can
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    fathom. We saw exactly the same thing
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    with something like Facebook. We all
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    know that Mark Zuckerberg is a greedy
  • 00:03:14
    bastard who wants to rule the entire
  • 00:03:15
    world. It's very plain to see, but from
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    the early days of Facebook, it was not
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    plain to see. It looked like it was
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    there to help people connect. But you
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    would have to be really stupid to be
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    someone who in 2025 looks back at early
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    Facebook and goes, "You know what? It
  • 00:03:30
    used to really be about connecting
  • 00:03:32
    people. Now it's just about money." And
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    it's exactly the same story with
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    Duolingo. It was never about teaching
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    the world languages, okay? It was always
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    about making billions of dollars. It's
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    just that from day one, the best way to
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    make billions of dollars was to appear
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    to be your friend.
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    Dolingo used to be beloved language
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    learning tool. Never because it was like
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    the most amazing but because it was
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    successful at making people do it. I
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    think that was always the cell. The cell
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    was never hey this is the most effective
  • 00:04:03
    way to learn the language word for word.
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    No technically you're right Ludvig. That
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    was not the cell. The cell always was
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    and still is the world's best way to
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    learn a language which is just a little
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    bit stronger and I would argue more
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    [ __ ] Okay, so we don't need to do
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    this again. Duolingo doesn't work now,
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    but it actually never really did. I
  • 00:04:24
    showed that in this video here, which
  • 00:04:26
    for obvious reasons, Evan did not like,
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    but it doesn't really make what I said
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    any less true. But if you didn't watch
  • 00:04:31
    that video, the quick summary of my
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    argument is if Dolingo was ever going to
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    work in any obscene amount that you want
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    to name for any person over any length
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    of time anywhere in the world, then it
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    would have worked then and there for
  • 00:04:49
    Evan in German. Not like Japanese or
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    something, but German. And it would have
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    worked if it worked. Let's be honest,
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    trying to learn a language with Dualingo
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    is like trying to learn how to play
  • 00:05:00
    guitar with Guitar Hero. It is pretty
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    close to being that stupid. You will be
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    shocked to know that an app that
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    includes concepts like weekly
  • 00:05:07
    leaderboards and XP doesn't actually
  • 00:05:09
    care about your fluency in Spanish. Yet
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    somehow, I honestly can't believe I'm
  • 00:05:14
    saying this, it's become worse. We can't
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    wait until the technology is 100%
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    perfect. We'd rather move with urgency
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    and take occasional small hits on
  • 00:05:24
    quality. You can definitely tell there
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    have been hits to quality. Duolingo's
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    dedication to nothing else if not
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    shittiness is impressive. Part two, it
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    costs a fortune. Here's a quick summary
  • 00:05:34
    of the history of Duolingo's
  • 00:05:36
    monetization model. Originally, it was
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    free and it was buil as being free. Then
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    it was free with ads and it was buil as
  • 00:05:43
    being free. Then came their first
  • 00:05:45
    premium stage where you could pay not to
  • 00:05:47
    see ads and some other little perks and
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    it was build as being free. Then it was
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    premium again, but it was kind of pay to
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    win or at least pay to not have a really
  • 00:05:55
    crappy experience. And it was built as
  • 00:05:57
    being free. And then it was even more
  • 00:06:00
    pay to win and even more expensive and
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    basically unusable if you didn't pay.
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    And it was buil as being free.
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    Duallingingo is the free, fun, and
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    effective way to learn a
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    language.
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    People have said that they feel guilty
  • 00:06:37
    when they miss a day. Some even cry over
  • 00:06:39
    it because that streak, it starts to
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    feel like your identity. Most people
  • 00:06:43
    don't pay for content. They pay to
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    protect their streaks. Things like
  • 00:06:47
    streak freezes keep your progress safe
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    if you miss a day. If your whole idea of
  • 00:06:51
    success is tied to a streak number,
  • 00:06:53
    which is the goal ever really learning
  • 00:06:54
    in the first place. They don't want to
  • 00:06:55
    be a language learning app. They want to
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    be Temple Run. And I'm not paying 20
  • 00:06:59
    bucks or even 10 bucks a month for
  • 00:07:01
    Temple Run. And it was by this stage
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    that whenever I made a comment about
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    Duolingo, like you know that it didn't
  • 00:07:06
    work, I would get a lot of dumb asses in
  • 00:07:09
    my comments saying, "It's free. Stop
  • 00:07:11
    complaining." News flash. Just because
  • 00:07:13
    technically there is a free way to use
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    something does not make $20 a month free
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    and it's not even particularly cheap.
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    Dualingo have finally removed access to
  • 00:07:22
    the sentence discussions tab entirely. A
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    move that inarguably has made the site
  • 00:07:26
    and app worse. In summary, it's a bad
  • 00:07:29
    app that you can't learn a language from
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    and it's getting worse and it will cost
  • 00:07:33
    you significant amounts of money for the
  • 00:07:34
    rest of your life. So, I'd like to think
  • 00:07:36
    that there was the opposite of that
  • 00:07:38
    somewhere. Well, someone made that. It's
  • 00:07:40
    called Speakly. I get comments all the
  • 00:07:42
    time about how there are no good
  • 00:07:43
    language learning apps. Like, what are
  • 00:07:44
    we supposed to do without Dolingo?
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    There's nothing else. But Speakley, if
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    you're actually willing to sit down for
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    30 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour a day in
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    order to try and learn a language, you
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    shouldn't be doing it with Dualingo.
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    Speakly is, in my opinion, the best
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    language learning app, and it's not even
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    close. And it's really cheap. In fact,
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    there are bits of it you can do for
  • 00:08:06
    free. And I would not be exaggerating to
  • 00:08:08
    say that I think the free version of
  • 00:08:10
    Speakley is better than any paid tier of
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    Duolingo. But what I've been paying for
  • 00:08:14
    Speakley Premium works out to $1.50 a
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    month. And that's going down with every
  • 00:08:19
    month because I bought a lifetime
  • 00:08:21
    subscription like 4 years ago. And even
  • 00:08:23
    today in 2025 when a bar of chocolate
  • 00:08:25
    that I'll probably eat in like 7 seconds
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    is going to cost me like $19. A lifetime
  • 00:08:31
    subscription to Speakly Premium for life
  • 00:08:33
    costs $70. 70 bucks, one and done. I am
  • 00:08:37
    being perfectly serious when I say that
  • 00:08:39
    if it were four times that much, I don't
  • 00:08:42
    think that would be unreasonable. Now, I
  • 00:08:44
    want you to know that this is sponsored,
  • 00:08:45
    yes, but not in the usual way that
  • 00:08:48
    YouTube sponsorships and affiliations
  • 00:08:49
    work. So, I'm going to put the full
  • 00:08:51
    disclosure on screen. If you want to
  • 00:08:53
    pause it and read it, you're very
  • 00:08:54
    welcome to do that. I genuinely want
  • 00:08:56
    people to read that, but for the people
  • 00:08:57
    who don't, it's just a waste of time.
  • 00:08:59
    So, just pause it while it's here. Now,
  • 00:09:01
    honestly, you can listen to what I have
  • 00:09:02
    to say about it, but what I'd really
  • 00:09:04
    recommend doing is just trying it with a
  • 00:09:06
    7-day free trial, which you can find in
  • 00:09:08
    the description, but here are some of
  • 00:09:09
    the reasons that I think Speakley is the
  • 00:09:11
    very best. Words are taught as though
  • 00:09:13
    they're individual words, but they
  • 00:09:15
    always have context. Meaning that as you
  • 00:09:18
    see them come up multiple times, you
  • 00:09:19
    don't even notice that you're developing
  • 00:09:21
    a very natural sense of how that word is
  • 00:09:23
    used, but also how the rest of the other
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    words and the language as a whole is
  • 00:09:28
    used in general. Contrast this with
  • 00:09:30
    learning a single word. Let's say the
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    dog in French. And a bad app will just
  • 00:09:35
    go between the English and the French
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    like 40 times. It'll just be like the
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    dog. The dog the dog the
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    dog. Whereas speakley might start out
  • 00:09:48
    with something like my dog is wet, but
  • 00:09:50
    you're only asked what the word for dog
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    is. And as you get more advanced, you'll
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    be asked more complicated things. This
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    is already very in line with what we
  • 00:10:00
    actually know about how languages are
  • 00:10:02
    learned. And I haven't even talked about
  • 00:10:04
    my favorite bit yet, which is the
  • 00:10:05
    listening exercises. But when I say
  • 00:10:08
    listening exercises, I'm not talking
  • 00:10:09
    about
  • 00:10:11
    like no because Speakley is for big boys
  • 00:10:15
    and girls. So a listening exercise is
  • 00:10:18
    anywhere between 3 and 12 minutes of
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    good clean audio spoken by an actual
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    human on a given topic. And there are
  • 00:10:26
    not questions directly about that
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    exercise because your job is not to be
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    correct about the language. It is to
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    listen to the
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    language two.
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    So I'm not going to lie, for many of
  • 00:10:43
    you, especially if you're coming
  • 00:10:44
    straight from Duolingo, Speakly will be
  • 00:10:46
    a shock to the system. It doesn't treat
  • 00:10:48
    you like a baby. There will be things
  • 00:10:50
    that you don't understand. That's the
  • 00:10:52
    point. That's how you get better.
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    There is one big drawback to the app and
  • 00:11:07
    that is that it doesn't have that many
  • 00:11:09
    languages because quality takes time. If
  • 00:11:11
    it had the language I was learning, I
  • 00:11:13
    would not hesitate for one second. I
  • 00:11:15
    would download it right now. You can do
  • 00:11:16
    that with the link in the description or
  • 00:11:18
    just head to speakley.me. you will get
  • 00:11:20
    the 7-day free trial. So, you can see
  • 00:11:22
    what I'm talking about because you can
  • 00:11:23
    do as much of it as you like in those 7
  • 00:11:26
    days. It's just really, really good. I
  • 00:11:28
    genuinely recommend it. Do it. But
  • 00:11:30
    three, toxic relationships with
  • 00:11:32
    Duolingo. I'm probably going to call
  • 00:11:34
    this video like Duolingo is finished. Of
  • 00:11:37
    course, it's not right. It's still worth
  • 00:11:38
    like $23 billion, which is honestly
  • 00:11:41
    insane to me. For all the people who did
  • 00:11:42
    commerce in 10th grade at school and
  • 00:11:44
    firmly believe that the best product
  • 00:11:46
    always wins every single time, Duolingo
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    had one job. It failed at that job and
  • 00:11:51
    it made $25 billion. And they've done
  • 00:11:54
    this by getting millions and millions of
  • 00:11:56
    people into toxic relationships with
  • 00:11:59
    Duolingo. It never really worked that
  • 00:12:01
    well. It's getting worse. A lot of
  • 00:12:04
    people don't even like using it, but
  • 00:12:06
    they do anyway. And it's costing them
  • 00:12:09
    something that they probably can't
  • 00:12:10
    afford. I don't think that saying some
  • 00:12:11
    people are in a toxic relationship with
  • 00:12:13
    Duolingo is at all a stretch. There are
  • 00:12:16
    actually people who have done Duolingo
  • 00:12:18
    for years only to travel to a country
  • 00:12:20
    that speaks the language that they've
  • 00:12:22
    been trying to learn and not be able to
  • 00:12:23
    literally do or say anything. Some of
  • 00:12:25
    the lessons even feel a bit like Chad
  • 00:12:28
    GPTish, you know, and then they came out
  • 00:12:31
    and said it. We're going to use AI and
  • 00:12:34
    you're going to learn just the same as
  • 00:12:36
    you've been learning. And I had friends
  • 00:12:37
    who were like, I'm not learning anything
  • 00:12:39
    already.
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    And honestly, what's the fun of using
  • 00:12:44
    Duallingingo if you could just use any
  • 00:12:46
    sort of like open AI, any sort of AI
  • 00:12:48
    program to make your own learning
  • 00:12:50
    course? If it's AI, then what's special
  • 00:12:53
    about it?
  • 00:12:55
    Dualingo knows that it's not good for
  • 00:12:57
    its customers. They know that. They know
  • 00:12:59
    that they are not in the business of
  • 00:13:01
    teaching language. That's kind of their
  • 00:13:02
    brand now. They're like, "Oh, we're this
  • 00:13:04
    self-aware language learning app that
  • 00:13:06
    doesn't really teach you a language." I
  • 00:13:08
    saw it in a comment somewhere on
  • 00:13:09
    YouTube. It said, "Even Duolingo knows
  • 00:13:11
    that it's more of a meme than a language
  • 00:13:13
    learning app." And that's completely
  • 00:13:15
    true. We can see that they've privated
  • 00:13:17
    all their Instagram and Tik Tok videos
  • 00:13:19
    and they've turned the owl into this
  • 00:13:21
    kind of conspiracy theory Occupy Wall
  • 00:13:23
    Street kind of character with a third
  • 00:13:25
    eye. And at some point, probably quite
  • 00:13:27
    soon, they will make their Instagram and
  • 00:13:29
    Tik Tok public again. I'm completely
  • 00:13:31
    sure of that. They are just openly a
  • 00:13:33
    social media drama performance now. and
  • 00:13:36
    they know full well that actual language
  • 00:13:39
    learners who actually want to learn
  • 00:13:41
    languages are not using Dolingo and are
  • 00:13:44
    not watching any of this crap. Duolingo
  • 00:13:46
    is to language learning as WWE is to
  • 00:13:49
    serious combat. Like yes, ostensibly WWE
  • 00:13:53
    is fighting and Dolingo is ostensibly a
  • 00:13:56
    language learning app. But anyone with
  • 00:13:58
    half a brain can see that it's all just
  • 00:14:01
    this big media show now. And so if you
  • 00:14:03
    would consider yourself a language
  • 00:14:05
    learner who is more interested in
  • 00:14:07
    learning a language, but you're still
  • 00:14:09
    using Duolingo and still getting caught
  • 00:14:11
    up in all this drama, then I would argue
  • 00:14:14
    that you're in a bit of a toxic
  • 00:14:15
    relationship. And yes, I get that that's
  • 00:14:17
    a pretty heavy thing to say, but let's
  • 00:14:19
    be honest, we're talking about an app,
  • 00:14:21
    so it's okay to admit it. I'm sure many
  • 00:14:23
    people can identify with. So if I were
  • 00:14:24
    you, I would cancel your 500 day streak
  • 00:14:26
    because you're better than this. Just
  • 00:14:28
    stop. It doesn't matter. It's just a
  • 00:14:31
    silly game. you can stop playing. And if
  • 00:14:33
    you're learning one of these languages,
  • 00:14:34
    then I really would recommend Speakly.
  • 00:14:36
    There's also a bunch of other stuff you
  • 00:14:38
    can use for those languages and lots of
  • 00:14:40
    languages. If you're not learning one of
  • 00:14:42
    those languages and you're learning
  • 00:14:43
    something else that you want resources
  • 00:14:45
    for, leave it in the comments and either
  • 00:14:47
    myself or someone else will get back to
  • 00:14:48
    you with some resources that you can
  • 00:14:50
    use. There's lots of stuff to learn
  • 00:14:52
    languages. I have a much shorter video
  • 00:14:54
    coming soon about the things that I use
  • 00:14:56
    to learn languages. Most of them would
  • 00:14:57
    work for literally any language. Get
  • 00:14:59
    subscribed and look out for that. We're
  • 00:15:01
    done here. Loto.
タグ
  • Duolingo
  • language learning
  • AI
  • Speakly
  • toxic relationship
  • language app
  • criticism
  • education
  • monetization
  • user experience