Building the Future of Web3 on Polkadot

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概要

TLDRThe Round Table talk focused on the future of web3 development on Polkadot, highlighting specific parachains and how the Polkadot SDK supports innovative web3 technologies. Key figures from the ecosystem, including Francisco from Tansy, Tony from the Laos Network, Dudley from the Kilt Protocol, and Joshua from Phala Network, shared their insights and reasons for choosing Polkadot. These choices are mainly due to Polkadot's shared security, quick finality, decentralization, and composability, which are essential for building scalable and secure blockchain solutions. Francisco outlined the advantages of deploying on Polkadot versus spinning up a parachain or using other platforms, emphasizing the shared security model that eases infrastructural burdens on developers. Other speakers discussed how their projects utilize Polkadot's offerings to overcome traditional web3 challenges, like the hard-to-navigate infrastructure landscape and regulatory issues. One key takeaway was that Polkadot's architecture is inherently capable of supporting novel use cases and facilitating a better developer experience. The discussion also touched upon the recent improvements in Polkadot's ecosystem, including agile core time, elastic scaling, and asynchronous backing, which are expected to lower barriers for developers and enhance network efficiency. Overall, the talk provided valuable insights into current trends, challenges, and the transformative potential of Polkadot's network for web3 development.

収穫

  • 🌐 Building web3 on Polkadot with parachains.
  • 🚀 Francisco highlights Polkadot's shared security.
  • 🛠️ Tansy simplifies chain infrastructure.
  • 🔒 Shared security without validator management.
  • 📊 Key barriers: investment and infrastructure.
  • 🔍 Layer twos have decentralization trade-offs.
  • 🤖 AI enhances processing in web3 applications.
  • 🔄 Upcoming agile core time and elastic scaling.
  • ⚡ Asynchronous backing boosts project efficiency.
  • 👥 Developer experiences and insights shared.

タイムライン

  • 00:00:00 - 00:05:00

    Introduction to the Round Table talk focusing on building Web3 on Polkadot with key ecosystem leaders. Francisco, co-founder of Tansy, introduces himself and discusses his project focused on simplifying the launch of app chains by providing infrastructure including block production as a service.

  • 00:05:00 - 00:10:00

    Francisco explains why Tansy chose Polkadot due to its shared security and decentralization benefits, contrasting it with Layer 2 solutions on Ethereum.

  • 00:10:00 - 00:15:00

    Tony from the LA Network introduces his project, which aims to leverage Polkadot's core time for solving scalability issues without bridges, targeting Layer 1 platforms outside of Polkadot.

  • 00:15:00 - 00:20:00

    Tony elaborates on LA Network's approach in using Polkadot's architecture to offload transactions from major networks like Ethereum and Polygon while ensuring scalability and security.

  • 00:20:00 - 00:25:00

    Dudley of Kilt Protocol shares the project's focus on identity solutions and why they chose Polkadot for its interoperability and low-cost transaction environment.

  • 00:25:00 - 00:30:00

    Discussion on Web3 developer blockers including market perception, bad reputation, legal challenges, and developer experience complexities.

  • 00:30:00 - 00:35:00

    Francisco discusses benefits of Tansy app chains, highlighting reduced infrastructure burdens, customization, and trade-offs between app chains and smart contract platforms.

  • 00:35:00 - 00:40:00

    Joshua explains Fala Network's AI agent contract capabilities, showcasing innovative use cases and the role of secure off-chain computation in enhancing developer experience.

  • 00:40:00 - 00:45:00

    Dudley explores digital identity through Kilt's DID services, emphasizing user control over data sharing and the potential for digital identity in web solutions.

  • 00:45:00 - 00:50:00

    Tony discusses leveraging Polkadot's XCM for LA Network, enabling cross-platform scalability and removing barriers like centralized bridges.

  • 00:50:00 - 00:56:32

    Panel reflects on Polkadot's advancements such as agile core time and asynchronous backing impacting project scalability and developer onboarding, with closing remarks inviting engagement through upcoming events.

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よくある質問

  • What is the focus of the Round Table talk?

    Building the future of web3 on Polkadot, with a focus on parachains.

  • Why did Francisco choose to deploy on Polkadot?

    Polkadot offers shared security, decentralization, fast finality, and composability, which are hard to replicate.

  • What is Tansy?

    Tansy is an app chain infrastructure protocol that simplifies launching and managing chains.

  • What is the main benefit of Polkadot's architecture, according to Francisco?

    The shared security model, which allows developers to utilize billions in stake value without managing their own validator sets.

  • How does Polkadot's shared security model work?

    It allows developers to leverage the relay chain's stake value, providing security without needing their own validator set.

  • What are some of the barriers to entry in the web3 space?

    Issues include high initial investment, complex infrastructure responsibilities, and limited developer resources.

  • What is a major drawback of deploying on layer twos according to Tony?

    Layer twos often involve centralized sequencers, which may not align with decentralization goals.

  • How does AI integration benefit developers in web3?

    AI can enhance uptime and processing capabilities, offering new avenues for smarter applications.

  • What are some upcoming changes in Polkadot?

    Introduction of agile core time, elastic scaling, and asynchronous backing.

  • What impact does asynchronous backing have on projects?

    It improves performance by reducing load, leading to faster and more efficient operations.

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    go hello and welcome everybody to
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    today's Round Table talk and today on
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    building the future of web3 on pokka do
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    we're going to be focusing on specific
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    par chains and how the pock do SDK
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    enables developers to create Innovative
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    web three Technologies so really excited
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    about this discussion we have some
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    amazing leaders in the pocket ecosystem
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    with us today um so maybe let let start
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    off with a quick introduction from the
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    speakers and then maybe also mention
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    your project and why you chose to deploy
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    on pocketo and Francisco since you're
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    the last one to join let's start with
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    you so please introduce yourself let us
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    know um what is your project and why you
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    chose to deploy on pocket
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    out sorry are we are we live right now
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    or yes yes yeah we okay cool cool um so
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    so yeah my name is Francisco I'm the
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    co-founder of tany um tansy is
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    essentially an app chain infrastructure
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    protocol uh so we're making it a lot
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    easier for developers to to launch their
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    own chains right uh I think in the last
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    couple of years we've seen a growing
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    demand for for app chains in general but
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    um the developer experience has been
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    quite lacking right it's it's very
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    difficult for a developer to bootstrap
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    its own chain there's a lot of
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    infrastructural responsibilities that
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    are required that are inherent with
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    launching chains so that's kind of what
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    we're doing right you can kind of think
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    of tansy as a layer one to help deploy
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    other layer ones and we're doing that by
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    providing permissionless block
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    production as a service along with all
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    these tools that you need to to run a
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    chain right like block explorers
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    indexers oracles all these different
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    things um and we're we we decided to
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    start building on polka dot because you
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    know I think polka dot is capable polka
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    dot polka Dot's architecture is capable
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    of offering very distinct properties for
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    for layer ones right uh this concept of
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    shared security is very important so
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    abstracting away the the necessity for
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    developers to have to boost strap their
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    own validator set to attract stake value
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    you know the relay chain of polka dot
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    currently provides billions of dollars
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    in stake value which developers can tap
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    into seamlessly through tansi um per
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    decentralization is another big thing I
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    mean we've seen the popularity of l2s on
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    ethereum but uh it's about trade-offs
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    right like if developers care about
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    decentralization then l2s are probably
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    not not a great great fit because
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    there's there's just centralized
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    sequencers right finality is another big
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    one right like how how quickly can you
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    finalize can you reach consensus for
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    your chain substrate and and polka dot
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    are quite powerful in that uh
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    composability how do you communicate
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    with with between chains so so there's
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    all these kind of um capabilities that
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    polka Dot's architecture offers uh to to
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    builders to build l1s and those are very
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    difficult to replicate right it's it's
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    not very easy to like um build these
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    things uh in kind of retrospectively so
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    yeah that that's kind of why we're
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    starting to we started to to build with
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    polka dot and we're kind of Del tan is
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    trying to deliver on the developer
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    experience right helping developers tap
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    into these properties in the easiest way
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    possible because at the end of the day
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    you can have the greatest technology but
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    if it's very difficult to use nobody's
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    going to care right so that's kind of
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    where we're coming from with tansy
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    absolutely that's very very valuable
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    yeah developers experience is key we
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    want to make sure the technolog is being
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    used so thank you Francisco for that and
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    then I would like to move on to Tony
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    Tony can you introduce yourself your
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    project and why did you decide to deploy
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    your Pock out sure hello my name is Tony
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    MOS I'm one of the founders of the Laos
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    Network a par chain that will start
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    producing blocks in a week time from now
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    uh my background is in physics and
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    Mathematics and my PhD is in string
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    theory and those those weird weird
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    things I my background then moved to
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    technology I started uh moving to H
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    Cinema Sound actually I have to say we
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    got an Oscar for science and
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    technological achievements our team uh
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    just uh a few months ago for creating
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    Dolby Atmos if you go to the movies and
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    ever hear Dolby Atmos you're uh it was
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    something that we created we started
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    here in Barcelona and then I moved to
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    blockchain Falling in Love completely
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    with uh you know everything that you
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    guys have fallen in love probably as
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    well in
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    2016 and then I I realized I wanted to
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    spend my my the rest of my life I think
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    uh in this in this field and started
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    building different things so we ended up
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    with Laos Network after and I think
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    Francisco named it really well after
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    having built our own Layer Two uh even
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    before layer twos were called layer twos
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    uh on on ethereum and polygon uh for
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    it's been live for more than three
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    years after all these trade-offs he was
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    mentioning and we didn't like them I
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    mean when you really get your hands on
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    it at some point you realize that uh
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    you're not uh being truth TR truthful or
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    whatever you want to call it to to your
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    to the spirit of decentralization and
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    the whole thing uh so we ended up
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    understanding that we had to build
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    something more secure with the same
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    Properties or similar properties than
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    than our Layer Two that's why we ended
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    up with a layer one which chose padot
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    for exactly the same reasons that uh
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    Francisco just named the centralization
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    through the centralization finality all
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    the tool set is there and the Rel chain
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    is there for us to provide security to
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    every transaction that goes through the
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    network and we ended up
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    building a para chain that
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    differentiates from other para chains as
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    as is the spirit of padot in that we try
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    to connect poka Do's core time which as
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    you as you know is massive it's an an
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    hugely uh an you know um empty compared
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    to what it could be providing we're
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    trying to use that core time to offload
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    transactions from outside PKA do indeed
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    not from other par chains but from
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    ethereum from polygon from all the layer
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    twos on top of them and eventually even
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    from Bitcoin as we'll do at the end of
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    the of of this year we do that uh
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    without Bridges so of course if you have
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    a bridge then you can basically do
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    everything you can do in one chain in
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    another one La is specialized in doing
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    that without Bridges and just a subset
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    of transactions that really fit this
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    pattern you cannot do that of course
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    with everything that you want to do on
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    ethereum but about 20% of everything you
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    can do on ethereum polygon and all those
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    evm chains you can
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    upload to to the to PKA do while
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    everything that you're doing when you
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    have remains compatible with uh you know
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    it remains on ethereum and polygon all
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    that stuff so we can dwell more into
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    that later but our spirit is to use uh
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    padot to help other ecosystems outside
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    padot uh scale
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    better fantastic thank you ton really
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    excited to learn more about your work
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    and uh yeah you've done guys you've done
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    a great um deal of progress within such
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    a short amount of time so
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    congratulations and also on the Oscar
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    that's really great to have such a ver
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    background um now I want to move to
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    Dudley um what is h can you just
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    introduce yourself and also talk about
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    um your reasons for the plan pocket on
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    your project yeah howy uh thanks for
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    having me uh Alexandra um yeah my name
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    is Dudley um I've been working on the
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    Kil protocol um for at least five years
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    now um I'm now the team lead of the
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    development team so I'm happy to be here
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    today to give you a bit more um
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    understanding about what we do um yeah I
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    guess uh from our perspective kild
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    itself is definitely uh one of the big
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    identity projects in the polka do
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    ecosystem and we tried to strive for
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    creating or using the standards um which
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    is not defined in polka do but outside
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    of it with the worldwide Web Consortium
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    you know we're using decentralized
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    identifiers and verifiable credentials
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    we we feel like um the reason why we
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    came into
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    polka dot is our journey started like
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    six years ago and we were one of the
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    first T teams to build on substrate way
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    before like there was really readily
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    available
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    documentations and yeah um we saw great
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    potential um we've definitely uh saw the
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    vision that was uh proposed um for
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    definitely interoperability and other
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    services you know trying to uh get
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    things like uh computation or other nfts
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    or transactions onto our chain would
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    only slow it down and we saw that um
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    that was not needed right we needed
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    identity Solutions and only identity
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    Solutions um but we wanted to have other
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    features and other feature sets
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    available to us and polka dot suggested
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    or made the this Vision Come True by
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    allowing um for example uh using F's
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    computation um on killed if necessary
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    and uh identity on other chains as well
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    so for us that was that was kind of the
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    proposal and the the dream that came
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    from it so yeah um that's one of the the
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    major things that we saw um again we we
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    looked at ethereum and other places but
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    the the proposal for low costs and
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    having a buildable system for
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    Enterprises and governmental level um
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    businesses really Drew Us in there
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    because we wanted the identity solution
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    that was for um again company
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    and big Enterprises so yeah I think a
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    lot of those Visions Drew us towards it
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    and the technology stack itself um was
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    being built seemed pretty amazing so
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    yeah there was a lots of different ways
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    and again only can Echo some of the
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    facts that Tony and Francesco um brought
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    up as well amazing thank you well it's
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    fantastic to have an OG with us um
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    somebody who's been building way before
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    would actually nice to see hear also
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    some insights and Al some of the more
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    detailed questions that we'll Del into
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    in a minute um joshia I'll move to you
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    you know the drill um but I'd like you
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    to introduce your friend as well who's
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    very actively supporting you there too
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    oh yeah yeah my friend's Moxy that's uh
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    she's a my puppy but if you look in my
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    uh Twitter profile you can see she's one
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    of the dogs in my profile picture but uh
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    just nft wise uh but yeah I'm I'm Joshua
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    Waller I'm uh the director of tech
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    evangelism over at fall Network so most
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    of my responsibilities involve leading
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    the deell operations includes like
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    building docs tutorials templates
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    leading workshops talks at events but I
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    also help out uh build out some
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    Integrations with other Pro protocols so
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    I do some like development research on
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    on these protocols and such that I can
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    uh kind of like like dadley said like
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    work with Kilt or work with whatever uh
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    with with other blockchains or any other
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    uh web three service in this case h and
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    I also have done some some developments
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    so for some daps like agent like our
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    agent Wars frame that we deployed on
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    farcaster I built that along with uh
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    building some of the runtime uh pallets
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    for um follow world back in the past but
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    uh to kind of go into Falla Network in
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    general Falla is a deepin protocol with
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    over 36,000 uh tested te nodes uh te
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    being trusted execution environment uh
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    we leverage this architecture to create
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    a secure offchain computation protocol
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    so so th this means that we can now be
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    able to like serve as a AI co-processor
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    for blockchain so any any kind of web 3
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    service or any other uh smart contract
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    platform we we feel that we are able to
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    like enhance their uh capabilities by
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    providing this uh offchain computation
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    since our programs are running in a
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    secure offchain worker uh executing
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    within our uh tees so um why did we
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    choose uh polka dot so substrate is
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    honestly like the the best SDK for
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    building customized blockchains so just
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    like uh just just like uh where I
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    described earlier it it it allows us to
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    create these unique use cases for
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    something like secure offchain
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    computation which is really really hard
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    to do when it comes to like ethereum or
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    uh other blockchains uh as well so we
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    found that uh Polkka dot was like the
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    the best uh place to build this and then
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    also like like uh previously mentioned
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    we don't have to worry about uh running
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    our own L1 and having to uh you know
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    attract users and liquidity to be able
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    to like uh boost strap our our protocols
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    so using uh having polka dot to be able
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    to process our box on the relay chain is
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    uh and in a secure way is uh something
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    that was very attractive for us so we
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    are like one of the uh original uh pair
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    chains that started uh during the uh
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    beginning of the auctions back in what
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    was it like 202
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    one at the end of the year so um yeah
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    we're like continuing to build continue
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    to uh build products and uh allow for us
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    to get like user feedback to see how we
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    can enhance the developer experience and
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    really break down that barrier that we
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    see today in like web 3 where it's uh
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    you know a little it's a little hard to
  • 00:13:21
    build something that's competitive to
  • 00:13:22
    these web two apps so that's that's my
  • 00:13:25
    little uh
  • 00:13:27
    tidbit fantastic yes 21 seems like ages
  • 00:13:30
    ago right already even though it's been
  • 00:13:31
    three years um you've mentioned some of
  • 00:13:34
    the blockers already for the web three
  • 00:13:36
    developers um is there anything else
  • 00:13:38
    that you find is another blocker for
  • 00:13:41
    those who want to get into the web three
  • 00:13:44
    today uh yeah yeah I mean to me um one
  • 00:13:50
    blocker today would be like a bearish
  • 00:13:52
    mark Market bearish in a sense uh we
  • 00:13:55
    have some up and downs uh also there's
  • 00:13:58
    there's a lot of attention like a lot of
  • 00:14:00
    attention driven types of uh uh things
  • 00:14:04
    for Dev so like if they see like oh this
  • 00:14:06
    is where all the liquidity is here
  • 00:14:08
    they're going to go build there so it's
  • 00:14:10
    it's it's really hard it's really hard
  • 00:14:12
    to get developers to uh one want to
  • 00:14:15
    build somewhere where it could be a
  • 00:14:17
    little bit siloed so having more uh you
  • 00:14:20
    know Avenues to access equid would be
  • 00:14:23
    really really huge for unblocking these
  • 00:14:26
    uh developers in web 3 today um another
  • 00:14:29
    thing that that I've put down is just
  • 00:14:31
    like uh getting kind of closer to these
  • 00:14:34
    these Web Two user experiences so really
  • 00:14:38
    breaking down where where are the
  • 00:14:40
    blockers where are like when developers
  • 00:14:42
    kind of drop off and kind of give up I I
  • 00:14:46
    would say that's that's something that
  • 00:14:49
    is that has that has to be solved and
  • 00:14:51
    something we're we're really focused on
  • 00:14:54
    uh kind of delivering for these
  • 00:14:55
    developers and then uh one one last
  • 00:14:57
    thing I won't speak too long on it but
  • 00:14:59
    uh like giving developers a a very quick
  • 00:15:03
    way to profit so like their time to
  • 00:15:05
    profit whenever they're building their
  • 00:15:07
    their daps like are they are they
  • 00:15:09
    building a Dap and then say they deploy
  • 00:15:12
    it but it's really hard to attract users
  • 00:15:14
    and even generate profits that might be
  • 00:15:17
    very timec consuming for developers and
  • 00:15:19
    it could put a bad taste in their mouth
  • 00:15:20
    if they do not if they're not successful
  • 00:15:22
    so I find I find these as like some of
  • 00:15:24
    the we three blockers that I've I've
  • 00:15:26
    analyzed over the last couple years or
  • 00:15:28
    so
  • 00:15:29
    wow this these are really good points
  • 00:15:32
    yeah absolutely if you don't get the
  • 00:15:33
    rewards quickly you you lose interest I
  • 00:15:35
    mean obviously um dadley do you have
  • 00:15:37
    anything else to add in terms of
  • 00:15:39
    blockers that you might have
  • 00:15:41
    seen uh yeah yeah for sure I think one
  • 00:15:44
    of the things that uh again Joshua is
  • 00:15:46
    right on all of those points but one of
  • 00:15:48
    the others is the um stigma around um
  • 00:15:51
    web free um it's unfortunately got a bit
  • 00:15:53
    of a bad reputation in the last x amount
  • 00:15:57
    of years um and web two developers seem
  • 00:16:02
    to avoid uh touching anything with the
  • 00:16:05
    that type of stigma at the moment purely
  • 00:16:07
    for the fact that they they seem it to
  • 00:16:09
    be somewhere they will find Bad actors
  • 00:16:13
    or unsafe reactors that uh promise to do
  • 00:16:16
    something or they try to scam people and
  • 00:16:19
    so forth and that's uh definitely a
  • 00:16:22
    place where uh I hear a lot of these Web
  • 00:16:25
    Two developers um talk about and gives
  • 00:16:28
    them a bad reput gives us a bad
  • 00:16:30
    reputation especially for um individuals
  • 00:16:32
    in here who who do build and do uh
  • 00:16:35
    produce uh projects that are meaningful
  • 00:16:38
    right and it's hard especially when you
  • 00:16:40
    try to approach them and they seem to to
  • 00:16:43
    make out that it doesn't matter um
  • 00:16:45
    they're still going to find this so I
  • 00:16:47
    think uh rebranding or maybe re looking
  • 00:16:49
    at ourselves again um and trying to be a
  • 00:16:52
    little bit more mature I don't know that
  • 00:16:54
    could be a possibility but yeah I think
  • 00:16:57
    um just the general stigma is is pretty
  • 00:17:00
    hard to to to shake off at the moment
  • 00:17:03
    yeah yeah absolutely the bad press is
  • 00:17:05
    really difficult to wash away right I
  • 00:17:08
    some lots of positive messages um there
  • 00:17:12
    fantastic F thank you dle Tony can I go
  • 00:17:14
    to you is there anything else that you'd
  • 00:17:16
    like to add on this yeah sure I I have a
  • 00:17:19
    huge list of blogers for web three to
  • 00:17:22
    actually get into the mainstream but
  • 00:17:24
    maybe just mentioning one or two that
  • 00:17:26
    are related to legislation legislation
  • 00:17:29
    really C catching up with the amount of
  • 00:17:31
    things that can be done and just to
  • 00:17:32
    provide two examples uh yeah when we had
  • 00:17:35
    this layer two still we have it uh we
  • 00:17:38
    built a a a payment Gateway a really
  • 00:17:41
    simple payment Gateway where you can
  • 00:17:42
    basically pay in Euros or dollars for
  • 00:17:45
    the exchange of an asset that is on
  • 00:17:46
    chain it's really simple it's solved
  • 00:17:48
    everywhere in the web through world in
  • 00:17:51
    the web3 world um basically the third
  • 00:17:55
    party provider your payments provider
  • 00:17:57
    that you know the licensed one that was
  • 00:17:58
    work working with us would drop like
  • 00:18:00
    every in a period of 8 to 12 months
  • 00:18:03
    because he he would they would get a
  • 00:18:04
    requirement by the legislative body in
  • 00:18:06
    their country saying hey AR you actually
  • 00:18:08
    are you doing nfts in the background
  • 00:18:10
    like it's not nfts it's just exchange of
  • 00:18:12
    uh Euros from user a to user B and yet
  • 00:18:15
    there's another third party that
  • 00:18:17
    actually transfers the asset okay you
  • 00:18:19
    should stop doing that and that happened
  • 00:18:21
    three times in the in a period of three
  • 00:18:23
    years um it's super painful they see the
  • 00:18:26
    business they want to work on that on
  • 00:18:27
    that but it's basically impossible
  • 00:18:28
    possible so that's just concerning
  • 00:18:31
    legislation and payments which is
  • 00:18:32
    massive if you want to get to the web to
  • 00:18:34
    world people that don't want to really
  • 00:18:36
    own uh you know a significant amount of
  • 00:18:39
    crypto yet or they just want to play a
  • 00:18:41
    video game perhaps right uh and then
  • 00:18:44
    also in order as a developer if you want
  • 00:18:45
    to build use cases that are really
  • 00:18:47
    compelling to you like for me like one
  • 00:18:49
    of the use cases that I would love to be
  • 00:18:51
    able to to be to use not necessarily to
  • 00:18:54
    build but to use is being able to share
  • 00:18:57
    the future royalties
  • 00:18:59
    of a musician song okay I I I follow my
  • 00:19:02
    upand coming musicians I believe in them
  • 00:19:04
    I think they're going to be great and
  • 00:19:06
    like me I think you know zillions of
  • 00:19:08
    people around the world if I could you
  • 00:19:10
    know just up you know pay a little bit
  • 00:19:12
    up front so that actually I'm helping
  • 00:19:14
    the guy or actually actually you know
  • 00:19:16
    bootstrapping because I think that at
  • 00:19:18
    the end of the day I I may even cash
  • 00:19:20
    back maybe not but I may even cash back
  • 00:19:21
    at some point in my life that if you
  • 00:19:23
    want to implement that use case probably
  • 00:19:25
    you need to rule half of the world out
  • 00:19:27
    because it's not legal to do that in or
  • 00:19:30
    or or not even clear whether it's legal
  • 00:19:32
    or not in most geographies in the world
  • 00:19:34
    right so you can really not even if the
  • 00:19:36
    technology would was there already for
  • 00:19:39
    supporting that use case and the wallets
  • 00:19:40
    were not an issue and things like this
  • 00:19:43
    um it's basically such a pain to to
  • 00:19:45
    build a use case that most people end up
  • 00:19:47
    abandoning so like this I think many of
  • 00:19:50
    us can speak of different use cases that
  • 00:19:52
    are you know just due to legislation
  • 00:19:54
    such a pain to
  • 00:19:56
    build yeah the Great areas do pose a
  • 00:20:00
    problem and can be a a great blocker for
  • 00:20:02
    a lot of people yeah thank you for that
  • 00:20:05
    a really fantastic points um Francisco
  • 00:20:07
    I'm gonna get to you with this question
  • 00:20:10
    as well but actually you've already
  • 00:20:11
    addressed some of the issues that you
  • 00:20:13
    are so with with KY um so maybe let's
  • 00:20:16
    delve a little bit deeper into your
  • 00:20:17
    project um if you don't mind so um what
  • 00:20:21
    in your opinion are the benefits of
  • 00:20:23
    deploying an app chain for example as
  • 00:20:25
    opposed to spinning up a par chain or an
  • 00:20:28
    application smart contract platform um
  • 00:20:30
    can you talk to that a little
  • 00:20:32
    bit um yeah sure so I mean at the end of
  • 00:20:35
    the day deploying an app an app chain
  • 00:20:37
    through tansi the benefits is that you
  • 00:20:39
    don't have to deal with kind of all the
  • 00:20:40
    infrastructural responsibilities right
  • 00:20:42
    like um be before we started tansy if
  • 00:20:45
    you look at kind of the landscape two
  • 00:20:47
    years ago if you wanted to launch your
  • 00:20:48
    own chain you have to bootstrap your own
  • 00:20:50
    validator set you have to find out how
  • 00:20:51
    to incentivize those validators you have
  • 00:20:54
    to evaluate their performance there's a
  • 00:20:55
    back and forth um for simplicit purposes
  • 00:20:59
    a lot of developers just decide to
  • 00:21:00
    launch with a couple of validators but
  • 00:21:02
    that then you kind of trade um
  • 00:21:04
    decentralization and and security right
  • 00:21:06
    then once you launch the chain you
  • 00:21:09
    realize okay I have you know I have
  • 00:21:11
    consensus I have block production I have
  • 00:21:14
    data availability all these kind of
  • 00:21:15
    Primitives for the protocol and then you
  • 00:21:18
    realize okay now I need a block Explorer
  • 00:21:19
    right otherwise I'm completely blind as
  • 00:21:21
    to what's happening I need an indexer in
  • 00:21:23
    order to query data on the Chain I need
  • 00:21:24
    an oracle if I'm building a lending and
  • 00:21:26
    borrowing protocol I need RPC points I
  • 00:21:29
    need Bridges so you start getting all
  • 00:21:31
    these kind of complimentary things that
  • 00:21:33
    are inherent with running the chain
  • 00:21:34
    right you can't get away from those
  • 00:21:35
    things so um ultimately that ends up
  • 00:21:38
    resulting in a time to Market of months
  • 00:21:40
    right and um so with tansy you kind of
  • 00:21:42
    get all those things out of the box um
  • 00:21:44
    so you don't have to deal with with all
  • 00:21:46
    those infrastructural stuff and you can
  • 00:21:48
    just focus all the time energy and and
  • 00:21:50
    resources of your team to developing the
  • 00:21:52
    actual application that you want to
  • 00:21:53
    build right um I think we saw a similar
  • 00:21:56
    transition in web 2 back in the day you
  • 00:21:58
    know you had to run your own servers you
  • 00:21:59
    had to yeah it was just a lot more
  • 00:22:01
    infrastructure intensive to to even
  • 00:22:04
    launch a website right and then things
  • 00:22:05
    like the cloud came along uh so I think
  • 00:22:07
    we're starting to see the same
  • 00:22:09
    transition in web 3 and we're trying to
  • 00:22:11
    provide kind of this cloudlike service
  • 00:22:14
    leveraging the polka dot kind of
  • 00:22:15
    architecture without compromising on
  • 00:22:17
    decentralization and security um so
  • 00:22:20
    that's kind of comparing deploying a
  • 00:22:22
    fully fledged L1 versus just deploying
  • 00:22:24
    through tamy um there's trade-offs
  • 00:22:27
    obviously and then the smart contracts
  • 00:22:29
    approach is just different right like
  • 00:22:30
    with smart contracts I I don't really
  • 00:22:32
    look at it in a binary way smart
  • 00:22:33
    contracts are capable of servicing use
  • 00:22:35
    cases that app chains cannot uh
  • 00:22:37
    liquidity is a great example of that
  • 00:22:39
    right if you're going to build a chain
  • 00:22:40
    bootstrapping liquidity from zero is
  • 00:22:41
    like an incredibly difficult thing to do
  • 00:22:44
    uh so it just makes a lot more sense to
  • 00:22:45
    deploy smart contracts on something like
  • 00:22:47
    ethereum or Moonbeam where there's an
  • 00:22:48
    existing defi ecosystem and we're even
  • 00:22:50
    starting to see use cases where there
  • 00:22:52
    it's a it's a hybrid model right so you
  • 00:22:54
    tap into an existing evm kind of shared
  • 00:22:57
    environment to tap into the liquidity
  • 00:22:59
    but then if your applic if your
  • 00:23:00
    application is has kind of workloads
  • 00:23:03
    that are demand demanding on block space
  • 00:23:06
    you can offload that into tany app chain
  • 00:23:08
    or container chain um so we're starting
  • 00:23:11
    to see these kind of Hybrid models uh
  • 00:23:13
    tan app chains are great if you need
  • 00:23:14
    dedicated block space if you need
  • 00:23:16
    sovereignty if you need customization
  • 00:23:19
    those are things that are just not
  • 00:23:20
    possible on shared evm environments and
  • 00:23:22
    um so yeah it's it's about tradeoffs uh
  • 00:23:24
    and and what you're deciding to do and
  • 00:23:27
    um I think we tend to
  • 00:23:29
    it is true that like developer
  • 00:23:30
    experience like that that will
  • 00:23:32
    ultimately bring in a lot more
  • 00:23:33
    developers we're nowhere near what like
  • 00:23:35
    web 2 is at but I I would say we also
  • 00:23:37
    need to find like use cases right and
  • 00:23:39
    like product Market fit there's a lot of
  • 00:23:41
    like over supply of infrastructure in
  • 00:23:42
    web 3 right now but there's not nearly
  • 00:23:44
    as many successful like use case stories
  • 00:23:47
    right I think recently it's like pump.
  • 00:23:50
    fun on salana they're getting a ton of
  • 00:23:51
    traction right so I think we need to see
  • 00:23:53
    more of these applications and it's kind
  • 00:23:55
    of a little bit of a chicken and egg
  • 00:23:56
    problem where you need to make the
  • 00:23:57
    developer experience so easy that you
  • 00:23:59
    got to you kind of broaden that top of
  • 00:24:01
    the funnel for like as many developers
  • 00:24:03
    to come in and it's just a numbers game
  • 00:24:05
    right like finding high quality teams
  • 00:24:07
    that are going to be successful if
  • 00:24:08
    there's a hundred uh maybe one or two
  • 00:24:11
    will be successful the problem is that
  • 00:24:12
    the developer experience r i is so bad
  • 00:24:14
    that the number of teams that are
  • 00:24:15
    willing to go through that process is
  • 00:24:17
    just very low so you're reducing that
  • 00:24:18
    probability of finding good teams right
  • 00:24:20
    so the the goal with improving the
  • 00:24:22
    developer experience is just increasing
  • 00:24:24
    the probability of finding like these
  • 00:24:25
    product Market fit use cases
  • 00:24:29
    yeah no absolutely um yeah sometimes you
  • 00:24:32
    just want to build something exciting
  • 00:24:34
    and then but you have to also do the
  • 00:24:35
    research right and making sure that it
  • 00:24:36
    fits um what is the market requirements
  • 00:24:39
    um just want to make sure that um those
  • 00:24:41
    of you who are listening actually you
  • 00:24:43
    can make comments and if you have
  • 00:24:46
    questions for our speakers um don't
  • 00:24:49
    hesitate to put them in the comments and
  • 00:24:50
    we'll try to answer them at the end of
  • 00:24:52
    this panel I'm sure you have a lot of
  • 00:24:54
    burning questions that you want to dig
  • 00:24:55
    it deeper into um but thank you so much
  • 00:24:57
    for this really um amazing answer and
  • 00:25:00
    there a lot of interesting points that
  • 00:25:02
    you've mentioned um I want to move on to
  • 00:25:04
    Joshua and actually talk about um how F
  • 00:25:08
    eii agents um helps developers and what
  • 00:25:12
    are the most exciting use cases uh
  • 00:25:14
    you've seen so far you've touched upon
  • 00:25:16
    it a bit but maybe we can just dive a
  • 00:25:18
    little bit deeper into
  • 00:25:19
    that yeah definitely and I I'll kind of
  • 00:25:22
    like break down the question a little
  • 00:25:23
    bit um first um so so with the the AI
  • 00:25:27
    agents piece uh so fall has created this
  • 00:25:30
    AI agent contract uh and this contract
  • 00:25:33
    is going to be able to one have two two
  • 00:25:35
    two components one component being the
  • 00:25:37
    agent script so this agent script is all
  • 00:25:40
    the logic for your agent and this is
  • 00:25:42
    what's going to be uh executing in The
  • 00:25:44
    Trusted execution environment so we have
  • 00:25:46
    like a long living virtual machine
  • 00:25:48
    running inside te that has embedded a JS
  • 00:25:51
    engine in there so so that you can uh
  • 00:25:54
    execute uh like asynchronous programs in
  • 00:25:56
    this case uh along with some like
  • 00:25:59
    default uh security and privacy
  • 00:26:01
    guarantees with the the execution within
  • 00:26:03
    the te so this is like the first
  • 00:26:05
    component and then the second component
  • 00:26:07
    would be the onchain component of
  • 00:26:09
    whichever uh chain you want to uh use or
  • 00:26:13
    smart contract uh chain in this case as
  • 00:26:16
    well to be able to like regulate this uh
  • 00:26:19
    script in a sense so being able to
  • 00:26:21
    regulate these agents and be able to
  • 00:26:23
    monetize them is something that we we
  • 00:26:25
    find very important and this is kind of
  • 00:26:28
    like the the basis of uh our product
  • 00:26:31
    called Agent Wars that we've just
  • 00:26:33
    launched so um in agent Wars uh just a a
  • 00:26:37
    simple breakdown of that is uh we we've
  • 00:26:39
    made it possible for you to go into uh
  • 00:26:42
    agent Wars and uh claim your AI clone so
  • 00:26:45
    this AI clone is based on your Twitter
  • 00:26:48
    um it takes all of the the data from
  • 00:26:50
    your Twitter and uh some of your tweets
  • 00:26:53
    and then just kind of uh gives you like
  • 00:26:55
    a little agent that you can own and then
  • 00:26:58
    uh have your community buy keys to be
  • 00:27:00
    able to interact with the agent and the
  • 00:27:02
    keys uh are like our like experimental
  • 00:27:06
    like token economics type of piece here
  • 00:27:08
    so that uh it's it's determined by a
  • 00:27:11
    bonding curve for the for these key
  • 00:27:13
    prices so so people can start to buy
  • 00:27:15
    these Keys up and uh get like a piece of
  • 00:27:18
    ownership of these agents they can buy
  • 00:27:20
    mini keys if they would like as well and
  • 00:27:22
    then in the future uh as we like
  • 00:27:24
    continue to get user feedback and start
  • 00:27:25
    to upgrade these uh contracts running on
  • 00:27:28
    chain we're able to then uh offer like
  • 00:27:31
    some some more decentralized uh aspects
  • 00:27:34
    to it so like being able to govern it uh
  • 00:27:36
    govern these agents and govern the uh
  • 00:27:38
    system prompts that are configurating
  • 00:27:40
    these agents um to be uh voted on by the
  • 00:27:44
    community so people that own own keys of
  • 00:27:46
    these agents and uh this is kind of like
  • 00:27:50
    where where we see uh being able to take
  • 00:27:53
    take these agents to the next level
  • 00:27:54
    because in the traditional Web Two stack
  • 00:27:56
    it's really hard to um get all of the um
  • 00:28:01
    Rewards or the
  • 00:28:02
    monetization uh aspects in this case uh
  • 00:28:05
    for the developers um to today because a
  • 00:28:09
    lot of it they might you know they might
  • 00:28:10
    deploy an agent but maybe they're not
  • 00:28:12
    seeing as much traffic or they get a lot
  • 00:28:14
    of traffic and they don't see as much
  • 00:28:15
    profit so there's um we're just
  • 00:28:18
    experimenting in this in this piece so
  • 00:28:20
    that we can offer uh some standard
  • 00:28:22
    templates for developers to really um
  • 00:28:25
    start building and customizing based on
  • 00:28:28
    uh how they want to how they want to
  • 00:28:29
    build so um th that's like the the first
  • 00:28:33
    interesting use case we actually just uh
  • 00:28:36
    participated at uh the hackathon with
  • 00:28:39
    polka dot at uh consensus and we had a
  • 00:28:42
    couple interesting submissions one one
  • 00:28:44
    being like a uh a Marketplace for
  • 00:28:46
    athletes called babes uh what they did
  • 00:28:49
    was used the AI agent contract to have
  • 00:28:52
    the users enter a prompt whenever they
  • 00:28:54
    select a chain that they want to uh
  • 00:28:56
    generate so they have a pendant that uh
  • 00:28:59
    gets generated uh into a 3D model and
  • 00:29:01
    then from there that 3D model is then uh
  • 00:29:04
    sent over toonomic to be 3D printed and
  • 00:29:07
    then all that um like supply chain uh
  • 00:29:11
    piece is uh automated on chain and such
  • 00:29:14
    that you could uh then have your uh
  • 00:29:16
    chains being uh shipped to your um users
  • 00:29:20
    that are purchasing these uh chains so I
  • 00:29:22
    thought that was like a really cool like
  • 00:29:24
    introductory use case to like AI agent
  • 00:29:26
    contracts as a piece of your your your
  • 00:29:29
    daps another one was uh
  • 00:29:31
    Foresta um one of the things that they
  • 00:29:33
    used was the uh uh aalon like schroger
  • 00:29:38
    nft they kind of uh forked that and made
  • 00:29:40
    a customization for like encrypted file
  • 00:29:43
    execution with like Access Control
  • 00:29:45
    rights so so a user could Grant um could
  • 00:29:49
    Grant other uh users uh permissions to
  • 00:29:51
    execute this encrypted file so I thought
  • 00:29:54
    that was like a a really interesting uh
  • 00:29:56
    use case as well but um yeah that's
  • 00:29:59
    that's kind of like where we're at right
  • 00:30:00
    now with the AI agents and then one of
  • 00:30:03
    the main things of like uh kind of
  • 00:30:05
    reducing that uh time to to Market or
  • 00:30:09
    development uh experience in a sense is
  • 00:30:12
    uh all this uh agent script part is uh
  • 00:30:16
    written in typescript so uh being able
  • 00:30:18
    to write in typescript and then also uh
  • 00:30:21
    without uh uh without the agent doubt
  • 00:30:24
    part you can you can deploy this uh
  • 00:30:26
    directly without even having a uh wallet
  • 00:30:29
    so you could kind of it's kind of you
  • 00:30:31
    could think of it as kind of like a
  • 00:30:32
    fancy little HTTP server at your
  • 00:30:34
    disposal running inside a te but that's
  • 00:30:38
    yeah that's all I have for this one
  • 00:30:39
    right here wow that's something such
  • 00:30:42
    cool use cases um and definitely you
  • 00:30:45
    know yeah a lot of people can relate to
  • 00:30:47
    that even if they're not um they're new
  • 00:30:49
    to the web free world I think it's
  • 00:30:51
    definitely easy for a lot of them to get
  • 00:30:53
    into that especially with all the hype
  • 00:30:54
    about the AI I think that's that's a
  • 00:30:56
    good one I to get people interested
  • 00:30:58
    fantastic um no thank you so much for
  • 00:31:00
    sharing all of this and D I want to
  • 00:31:02
    actually go to you and um do you mind
  • 00:31:05
    talking about how kill and utilizes the
  • 00:31:09
    did Services I think that's going to be
  • 00:31:11
    a very interesting case to talk about um
  • 00:31:14
    and anything else that you'd like to add
  • 00:31:16
    yeah absolutely now I just wanted to say
  • 00:31:18
    uh it's like a really cool use case as
  • 00:31:20
    well Joshua so I just wanted to give
  • 00:31:22
    that like the Rob robotics one as well
  • 00:31:26
    but yeah uh for Kil it's itself um yeah
  • 00:31:29
    we we pretty much want to provide a
  • 00:31:32
    standard digital identity um and this
  • 00:31:35
    comes basically from what I mentioned
  • 00:31:36
    earlier regarding um using these
  • 00:31:39
    specific standards from the worldwide
  • 00:31:40
    Web Consortium um called decentralized
  • 00:31:43
    identifiers or dids for short and in
  • 00:31:46
    combination with verifiable credentials
  • 00:31:48
    so again uh we expect like businesses
  • 00:31:51
    and users to both um need these and in a
  • 00:31:55
    way that uh this is the foundation of
  • 00:31:57
    like digital identity solution right we
  • 00:31:59
    provide uh we really want to give
  • 00:32:01
    control back to the individual users and
  • 00:32:04
    kind of allow them to make those
  • 00:32:06
    decisions about who are they um actively
  • 00:32:08
    working with or to authenticate or
  • 00:32:11
    authorize them to have some form of
  • 00:32:14
    Access Control to business services so
  • 00:32:17
    again um our solution wants to return
  • 00:32:19
    the control to the users and offload the
  • 00:32:22
    burden of uh uh protecting user data
  • 00:32:25
    from businesses right so again
  • 00:32:28
    some some of these businesses do not
  • 00:32:30
    want to like control uh these projects
  • 00:32:33
    uh these users uh data um and it's
  • 00:32:37
    understandable I mean if we look at like
  • 00:32:39
    anything for the gdpr um you have to be
  • 00:32:41
    compliant and make sure that you're
  • 00:32:43
    holding this data and is expensive and
  • 00:32:45
    again there's um some dangerous uh
  • 00:32:50
    practices out there and some people
  • 00:32:52
    don't know how to manage the data
  • 00:32:54
    there's data leaks and so forth so it's
  • 00:32:56
    not just dangerous for the businesses
  • 00:32:58
    especially when it costs uh but it's
  • 00:33:00
    also dangerous for the uh users to have
  • 00:33:02
    their U exposing their data unwillingly
  • 00:33:06
    or willingly to maybe unsaved
  • 00:33:08
    reactors uh that want to use their data
  • 00:33:11
    so for us uh dids is a perfect solution
  • 00:33:13
    for this right so um an individual has a
  • 00:33:17
    set of cryptographic material um keys in
  • 00:33:20
    that case and they can freely disclose
  • 00:33:24
    uh their credentials or claims about
  • 00:33:26
    oneself uh to businesses as long as
  • 00:33:29
    they're um free to choose um who to
  • 00:33:33
    disclose to um we believe that's um up
  • 00:33:36
    to the user's choice and actively uh
  • 00:33:38
    they can opt in and opt out of um
  • 00:33:41
    Solutions especially with uh credentials
  • 00:33:44
    so we see businesses looking to go that
  • 00:33:47
    way um not just businesses but uh
  • 00:33:49
    government bodies um they see the the
  • 00:33:51
    the need for users to have their digital
  • 00:33:53
    identity in their control so again we're
  • 00:33:56
    seeing real world cases coming up um
  • 00:34:00
    people have been neglecting the digital
  • 00:34:02
    world for some time regarding their
  • 00:34:04
    identity and it's time that uh yeah we
  • 00:34:08
    we allow businesses um ways to build
  • 00:34:11
    services on top of it so again I know
  • 00:34:13
    that Francesco mentioned some of these
  • 00:34:15
    bottlenecks that individuals come in and
  • 00:34:17
    they're having issues with uh on
  • 00:34:20
    boarding and individuals have bad
  • 00:34:23
    experiences and if we're not capable or
  • 00:34:25
    we not able to give them a better
  • 00:34:27
    experience
  • 00:34:28
    that developer is going to not tell
  • 00:34:31
    their colleagues or friends about the
  • 00:34:33
    solution they used and it's not going to
  • 00:34:36
    make them want to talk about it I mean
  • 00:34:38
    again some of these solutions that we've
  • 00:34:40
    seen in the past in web 2 Worlds they're
  • 00:34:42
    very convenient and very easy to use and
  • 00:34:44
    that brings the word of mouth to
  • 00:34:46
    individuals and then allows them to to
  • 00:34:48
    build again and again again on these
  • 00:34:50
    same software and same Frameworks and so
  • 00:34:52
    forth um so we're hoping to to provide
  • 00:34:56
    that um we we have a mude of services
  • 00:34:58
    again I mostly work on dap development
  • 00:35:01
    and stuff like that so I've buil several
  • 00:35:04
    daps um again continually proving and
  • 00:35:07
    continually trying to make the
  • 00:35:08
    onboarding step easier for people and um
  • 00:35:12
    I think it's just inevitable that we'll
  • 00:35:16
    work on this and I think dads and
  • 00:35:20
    verifiable credentials will have its
  • 00:35:22
    place in not just the web 3 world but
  • 00:35:24
    the web two world and allow individuals
  • 00:35:27
    to to build um products out of them have
  • 00:35:31
    access control have memberships um
  • 00:35:33
    available them to them to to to build
  • 00:35:37
    again um clubs like we used to back in
  • 00:35:41
    2006 when we first started playing video
  • 00:35:43
    games having your own uh clan um or
  • 00:35:47
    groups of people and having that sort of
  • 00:35:50
    Grassroots spill and um giving those
  • 00:35:53
    people um that opportunity again with Ds
  • 00:35:56
    and verifiable potentials so again I see
  • 00:35:59
    a lot of potential and I see a lot of
  • 00:36:01
    things that we could do with it uh we
  • 00:36:03
    just got to make sure the experience is
  • 00:36:05
    there for them that they go and tell
  • 00:36:07
    their friends or colleagues about the
  • 00:36:09
    the stuff that we're building yeah so no
  • 00:36:12
    absolutely I'm knowing about is so
  • 00:36:14
    important but do you think also that
  • 00:36:16
    being aware of the importance of the
  • 00:36:18
    digital identity is also part of it do
  • 00:36:20
    you think that some people don't pay too
  • 00:36:22
    much attention to it and just throw the
  • 00:36:24
    data around in the internet too easily
  • 00:36:26
    yeah I I feel like uh you're totally
  • 00:36:28
    right there people do um don't respect
  • 00:36:31
    your digital Identity or your data that
  • 00:36:34
    we're consuming or giving away I mean um
  • 00:36:37
    there's a billion dollar compan uh
  • 00:36:39
    companies out there that monopolize on
  • 00:36:41
    it and obviously they're monopolizing up
  • 00:36:43
    for some reason um and I think
  • 00:36:47
    individuals um want more convenience but
  • 00:36:50
    um if we can provide the same level of
  • 00:36:52
    convenience or maybe slightly less while
  • 00:36:54
    giving them control I think um that's
  • 00:36:58
    the The Narrative as well I mean it's
  • 00:37:00
    it's hard to to explain to some of my
  • 00:37:03
    family members uh what's the importance
  • 00:37:05
    of um data sharing or what information
  • 00:37:10
    you share out there um I I'd love to
  • 00:37:13
    introduce them to podcasts regarding
  • 00:37:16
    like uh dark neck Diaries which explains
  • 00:37:19
    some of the vulnerabilities that happen
  • 00:37:21
    and again um they listen to one or two
  • 00:37:24
    podcasts and they start to realize the
  • 00:37:26
    the dangers that they put themselves in
  • 00:37:28
    or their children in uh by sharing these
  • 00:37:31
    types of data um I know that there's
  • 00:37:34
    again legislation out there that's um
  • 00:37:36
    trying to work towards it but it's at
  • 00:37:39
    the same time kind of kneecapping some
  • 00:37:40
    of these developments that we have
  • 00:37:42
    especially um yeah again it's it's hard
  • 00:37:46
    it's very hard yeah
  • 00:37:50
    people but it's a very important issue
  • 00:37:52
    and hopefully more people realize um
  • 00:37:54
    that they should be more careful and
  • 00:37:56
    that there are other
  • 00:37:58
    to to the internet as well absolutely um
  • 00:38:01
    thank you D so much Tony let's um let's
  • 00:38:03
    maybe move to you and I mean all of our
  • 00:38:06
    speakers have shared the use of the
  • 00:38:09
    technology and what they been building
  • 00:38:10
    but I think one of the interesting
  • 00:38:12
    things about lais is actually the use of
  • 00:38:14
    the XDM something very specific um to
  • 00:38:18
    poka do so maybe we can talk a little
  • 00:38:20
    bit about that Tony and how the XM how
  • 00:38:23
    La leverages the XM capabilities to
  • 00:38:26
    enable builders on poet
  • 00:38:28
    and across the web three that'll be very
  • 00:38:29
    interesting sure sure yeah yeah so well
  • 00:38:32
    on the one hand we use it the standard
  • 00:38:34
    way that looks standard to us but uh I
  • 00:38:36
    think for the rest of outside ecosystems
  • 00:38:39
    being able to transfer uh things uh to
  • 00:38:41
    other layer ones in a fully uh secure uh
  • 00:38:46
    and not mandated by intermediaries way
  • 00:38:49
    uh is amazing so we use that to provide
  • 00:38:51
    we will use that to provide liquidity to
  • 00:38:52
    the Token you allow it to be in exchange
  • 00:38:55
    in different part chains uh the standard
  • 00:38:58
    thing but besides that we've leveraged
  • 00:39:01
    if you want part of the technology and
  • 00:39:02
    also the spirit of xcm of being able to
  • 00:39:05
    from one par chain from one chain
  • 00:39:07
    Sovereign chain being able to refer to
  • 00:39:10
    things that live on another consensus
  • 00:39:12
    system all right not necessarily inside
  • 00:39:15
    padot but even outside and this is one
  • 00:39:18
    of the things that through Universal
  • 00:39:19
    location is part of XM version three uh
  • 00:39:23
    We've completely leveraged that and
  • 00:39:24
    boost it on steroids and used it to be
  • 00:39:28
    able to connect as we were saying before
  • 00:39:30
    ethereum and padot or you know polygon
  • 00:39:32
    and padot through La so the outcome of
  • 00:39:37
    this is the following right so so
  • 00:39:39
    thinking about use cases again so you
  • 00:39:41
    are and these are very real use cases
  • 00:39:43
    right you have a video game that's free
  • 00:39:45
    to play everybody downloads it it's
  • 00:39:47
    obviously free and you want you maybe
  • 00:39:49
    you want your users to experience
  • 00:39:50
    ownership from day one since they since
  • 00:39:53
    they download it right so give them nfts
  • 00:39:55
    for free maybe it's a soccer manager
  • 00:39:57
    game so give them 18 nfts just for
  • 00:39:59
    downloading the game you want to do
  • 00:40:02
    something similar with real world asset
  • 00:40:04
    you want to tokenize all the car titles
  • 00:40:06
    I saw one of the comments there or
  • 00:40:07
    anything that's at a massive scale right
  • 00:40:10
    great you want to do it in a place where
  • 00:40:13
    liquidity sits where all your eyes are
  • 00:40:15
    all the eyes in the world are there
  • 00:40:16
    where buyers purchases are potentially
  • 00:40:18
    there where people all the ecosystem is
  • 00:40:19
    already compatible there right okay you
  • 00:40:21
    cannot you cannot do it on ethereum
  • 00:40:23
    that's your your your number one place
  • 00:40:25
    to go you just can't right so so you
  • 00:40:27
    start looking at layer tws that's a
  • 00:40:29
    normal procedure as as we've seen out
  • 00:40:31
    there for years now they most of them
  • 00:40:34
    will end up in layer twos or layer
  • 00:40:37
    threes that as Francisco was saying they
  • 00:40:39
    are just
  • 00:40:40
    centralized put the name you want
  • 00:40:42
    afterwards sequencers this have they
  • 00:40:44
    have so many centralized uh components
  • 00:40:46
    please everybody that's looking at us go
  • 00:40:48
    to L2 bit be a I'll try to share the the
  • 00:40:52
    link later. com/ scaling risks and
  • 00:40:55
    you'll see an analysis that's publ for
  • 00:40:57
    all layer twos and layer threes on over
  • 00:40:59
    ethereum with all sort of red flags well
  • 00:41:02
    known about potential issues that they
  • 00:41:04
    already have right but people still do
  • 00:41:07
    that and there's a massive amount of
  • 00:41:08
    total value locked on those chains
  • 00:41:11
    because they want to scale and have the
  • 00:41:13
    feeling that they still somehow are on
  • 00:41:15
    ethereum or on those major ecosystems so
  • 00:41:18
    on the one hand they pay the tradeoff of
  • 00:41:20
    security on the second hand all their
  • 00:41:23
    users are not just going to be in a less
  • 00:41:25
    secure place they ALS going to have a
  • 00:41:28
    severe ux problem they're going to use a
  • 00:41:29
    bridge so to be able to operate they're
  • 00:41:32
    going to have to bridge if okay what's
  • 00:41:35
    bridging and we're talking about the
  • 00:41:36
    mainstream we all have the dream of
  • 00:41:38
    reaching the mainstream what's a bridge
  • 00:41:40
    what's wrapped something so and why do I
  • 00:41:43
    even have to pay to start doing anything
  • 00:41:46
    with all those you know there's a severe
  • 00:41:48
    ux issue as well when people go through
  • 00:41:50
    these other Solutions so with Laos and
  • 00:41:55
    thanks to paulot uh there's a number of
  • 00:41:58
    things they can do while remaining on
  • 00:42:00
    ethereum or while wherever they wanted
  • 00:42:02
    to choose because they think that's
  • 00:42:04
    where the ideal ecosystem is for them
  • 00:42:06
    without departing from there just of
  • 00:42:09
    loading part of the costs of operating
  • 00:42:12
    there so say you want to Mint all those
  • 00:42:14
    assets you want to meet 1 million FS
  • 00:42:16
    right now on ethereum it's not just that
  • 00:42:19
    you're going to pay hundreds of millions
  • 00:42:20
    of dollars worth of it you're just not
  • 00:42:23
    going to be able to make it today for
  • 00:42:24
    you have to wait a couple of weeks for
  • 00:42:26
    those transaction to be processed right
  • 00:42:28
    so instead you use LA to upload all
  • 00:42:32
    those cost costs in the background as
  • 00:42:35
    xcm this extension of XM that we talked
  • 00:42:37
    about at the beginning um but for the
  • 00:42:41
    end
  • 00:42:42
    user you all those millions of nfts go
  • 00:42:44
    to recipients that see the nfts on
  • 00:42:47
    ethereum they trade them with it they
  • 00:42:49
    trade them on openc or you know they
  • 00:42:51
    favorite Marketplace and they do defy
  • 00:42:53
    with all the defy ecosystem right there
  • 00:42:55
    and same for eum same for poly whatever
  • 00:42:57
    the the developer chose the developer is
  • 00:42:59
    the only one that knows that LA and P do
  • 00:43:01
    exists their users don't necessarily if
  • 00:43:04
    they don't and that's Beauty because
  • 00:43:06
    they can choose whever they want to be
  • 00:43:08
    because it benefits the application
  • 00:43:09
    without having to boot stuff from
  • 00:43:11
    without having to go through Bridges and
  • 00:43:12
    L2 and all that thing right so we think
  • 00:43:15
    that's a that's that's solving a massive
  • 00:43:16
    problem that's right there today uh not
  • 00:43:20
    not the use case of the future future
  • 00:43:22
    and maybe just finishing the
  • 00:43:24
    intervention there uh we we I spoken a
  • 00:43:26
    lot about about EVMS right so ethereum
  • 00:43:28
    and all those but the same will be
  • 00:43:30
    applied to uh Bitcoin by the end of this
  • 00:43:32
    year so la will also be connected there
  • 00:43:34
    we have Grant to help support uh this
  • 00:43:37
    transition as well and just to give a
  • 00:43:38
    number so in the last months people have
  • 00:43:40
    gone crazy meting on bitcoin I don't
  • 00:43:43
    judge why but clearly they see the value
  • 00:43:45
    why so they they've spent half a billion
  • 00:43:47
    dollars on minting nfts since nfts
  • 00:43:49
    became through ordinals and inscriptions
  • 00:43:51
    a think on PO on on bitcoin and again
  • 00:43:54
    I'm not judging it but the problem is
  • 00:43:56
    there and they are paying a billion just
  • 00:43:58
    to be able to do that right so again
  • 00:44:00
    with PKA do they're going to be able to
  • 00:44:01
    do that much more and at a fraction of
  • 00:44:04
    the cost so that's that's the kind of
  • 00:44:06
    things uh that we're building and that
  • 00:44:08
    we think it solves uh concrete issues
  • 00:44:10
    that we have right now without getting
  • 00:44:12
    into the details of why are all these
  • 00:44:14
    things being used which is an external
  • 00:44:17
    layer yeah yeah no exciting well we're
  • 00:44:20
    looking forward to to this next step um
  • 00:44:22
    T is will be really great and very
  • 00:44:25
    comprehensible um user case for a lot of
  • 00:44:28
    those um who are also new to the web
  • 00:44:29
    free world I think um really provides a
  • 00:44:32
    lot of value thank you so much for that
  • 00:44:34
    so thank you all of you for sharing
  • 00:44:36
    about your projects I think these are
  • 00:44:38
    incredible use cases and we just need to
  • 00:44:41
    make sure that more of the world knows
  • 00:44:43
    about it outside the B um. ecosystem as
  • 00:44:47
    well um but now we're coming close to
  • 00:44:50
    our um talk now and what I want to talk
  • 00:44:52
    about now is there are a lot of changes
  • 00:44:55
    in pokka dot poka do is always changing
  • 00:44:57
    always improving and evolving and
  • 00:45:00
    recently there's been the introduction
  • 00:45:02
    of the agile core time and elastic
  • 00:45:04
    scaling and synchronous backing is
  • 00:45:06
    already here so how do you see this
  • 00:45:08
    changes impacting your projects in the
  • 00:45:10
    future and now in the case of um as
  • 00:45:13
    synchronous backing for example um maybe
  • 00:45:15
    I'll ask Francisco for that question
  • 00:45:19
    first yeah I think these are pretty
  • 00:45:20
    important upgrades for the the PO for
  • 00:45:22
    polka dots protocol right I think you
  • 00:45:24
    know polka dot 1.0
  • 00:45:27
    probably the the biggest shortcoming or
  • 00:45:29
    the biggest flaw of that that V1 was the
  • 00:45:33
    barriers of Entry that it imposed on
  • 00:45:35
    Builders right um I mean if you if the
  • 00:45:39
    first step that you need to take into an
  • 00:45:40
    ecosystem is win an auction and that
  • 00:45:43
    auction you require to front like six
  • 00:45:48
    figures that is just going to drive away
  • 00:45:50
    a lot of Builders right um because you
  • 00:45:53
    know there's no guarantees that at the
  • 00:45:54
    end of the day your your chain is going
  • 00:45:55
    to be successful right it's kind of the
  • 00:45:57
    equivalent of telling an entrepreneur
  • 00:45:58
    who sells I don't know tables you know
  • 00:46:00
    you have to purchase half a million
  • 00:46:02
    dollars worth of tables in inventory
  • 00:46:04
    without having made a single sale right
  • 00:46:05
    so you're taking a huge risk in
  • 00:46:07
    purchasing all this inventory which is
  • 00:46:09
    equivalent to block space and then you
  • 00:46:11
    launch and you don't even know if you're
  • 00:46:12
    going to get product Market fit right so
  • 00:46:14
    already there I think that was that was
  • 00:46:15
    a flaw with the first version of polka
  • 00:46:17
    dot so I'm I'm pretty excited by by kind
  • 00:46:20
    of para threads or on demand chains and
  • 00:46:23
    agile core time because it effectively
  • 00:46:25
    just reduces the barrier of Entry
  • 00:46:27
    significantly for the builders uh so uh
  • 00:46:29
    the developers that just want to get
  • 00:46:31
    started in the ecosystem they can uh go
  • 00:46:33
    for the on demand model try to build
  • 00:46:35
    something if they get traction then they
  • 00:46:37
    can then upgrade into kind of a a
  • 00:46:39
    reserve model and purchase a bunch of
  • 00:46:41
    block space um so that I think is really
  • 00:46:44
    exciting uh tansy I think is very
  • 00:46:46
    complimentary to that model uh in fact
  • 00:46:48
    it was originally conceived with this
  • 00:46:50
    kind of parath thread or on demand chain
  • 00:46:51
    model um and and we plan to offer both
  • 00:46:55
    both things right like a spot versus
  • 00:46:56
    Reserve model so and at the end of the
  • 00:46:58
    day you're still going to need to
  • 00:46:59
    produce blocks even if it's an ond
  • 00:47:01
    demand model right so you'll still have
  • 00:47:02
    to bootstrap um block production nodes
  • 00:47:05
    with tany that makes it even more
  • 00:47:06
    seamless right if you want to produce a
  • 00:47:08
    block you can use our protocol to to do
  • 00:47:10
    that and then if you get traction you
  • 00:47:11
    can upgrade into a full par chain or
  • 00:47:14
    even migrate away right and then you
  • 00:47:17
    know with agile core time it's also
  • 00:47:19
    exciting because it adds like elastic
  • 00:47:20
    scaling and all these things but I'm I
  • 00:47:22
    think that can come later right like
  • 00:47:24
    once you have traction being able to add
  • 00:47:26
    more core such is important but I think
  • 00:47:28
    it's more essential to reduce the
  • 00:47:29
    barriers of entry into the ecosystem by
  • 00:47:31
    removing this auction mechanism so that
  • 00:47:33
    we can get more people in um and yeah
  • 00:47:36
    tany I think is was originally built
  • 00:47:37
    with that with that model in mind right
  • 00:47:39
    so I'm pretty excited um about about
  • 00:47:43
    that awesome yeah this is really this
  • 00:47:46
    these are fantastic changes for a lot of
  • 00:47:48
    people so we really want to see um where
  • 00:47:50
    it takes um poo 2.0 to the next levels
  • 00:47:54
    Josh how does it affect your F Network
  • 00:47:57
    what are the implications for
  • 00:47:59
    you oh yeah I mean Franchesco did a
  • 00:48:03
    really good job answering this uh we're
  • 00:48:05
    kind of like in we have the similar
  • 00:48:06
    mindset for for us like for for us we
  • 00:48:09
    think of it uh as like the the point of
  • 00:48:11
    core time is just to lower down that
  • 00:48:13
    barrier to entry for for polka dot so
  • 00:48:16
    onboarding new devs onboarding uh new
  • 00:48:20
    developers and applications to be able
  • 00:48:21
    to be built on top of poke polka dot and
  • 00:48:23
    kind of Leverage all the different
  • 00:48:24
    technology and then also thinking of
  • 00:48:26
    that it it creates this like Network
  • 00:48:28
    effect also like getting exposure to the
  • 00:48:30
    different uh projects that are already
  • 00:48:32
    deployed on on top of polka dot so so
  • 00:48:34
    for us uh we find it as like more
  • 00:48:36
    developers coming in they'll get
  • 00:48:39
    exposure to some of these great projects
  • 00:48:41
    that are already here talking with us
  • 00:48:42
    and others in the ecosystem and
  • 00:48:44
    including us and we're we're thinking
  • 00:48:46
    that that will help increase the
  • 00:48:48
    developer adoption and start to see a
  • 00:48:51
    lot more use cases uh and also like with
  • 00:48:53
    Asing backing it's gonna uh it's going
  • 00:48:55
    to make the lower so better performance
  • 00:48:58
    is also a plus as well so I I I I find
  • 00:49:01
    it as a like a net positive for for us
  • 00:49:04
    and for everyone here as well absolutely
  • 00:49:08
    absolutely um well we're moving very
  • 00:49:11
    fast now and we only have 10 minutes
  • 00:49:12
    left before um we have to conclude our
  • 00:49:15
    talk so I suggest we move on to the
  • 00:49:17
    closing remarks and maybe anything you
  • 00:49:19
    want to say you are excited about it's
  • 00:49:22
    coming up for the rest of
  • 00:49:24
    2024 the year is nearly up um we halfway
  • 00:49:27
    through and also where the listeners can
  • 00:49:29
    find yesly um do you mind sharing a few
  • 00:49:32
    last remarks to our listeners that you
  • 00:49:34
    want to leave them with and also where
  • 00:49:37
    um those who are interested to learn
  • 00:49:38
    more um Can can find you yeah absolutely
  • 00:49:42
    um I just want to say thank you um for
  • 00:49:45
    having me here and the rest of the the
  • 00:49:47
    panel as well um unfortunately I won't
  • 00:49:50
    be coming to poka decoda this year um
  • 00:49:53
    it's it's aligned with my um
  • 00:49:57
    uh time off but I am was super excited
  • 00:50:00
    especially with all of the new things
  • 00:50:02
    coming out and the whole topic of uh Jam
  • 00:50:05
    so I think if you do have the
  • 00:50:07
    opportunity and you do have the the
  • 00:50:09
    funds to go see um here what's actually
  • 00:50:12
    happening I I would love to see what's
  • 00:50:14
    um going to be done decoded I can
  • 00:50:16
    imagine there will be lots of hot topics
  • 00:50:18
    about Jam I think the the rest of the
  • 00:50:21
    year is going to be uh very exciting I
  • 00:50:23
    think uh for for for those um following
  • 00:50:27
    jam and all of the potential growth
  • 00:50:29
    paths
  • 00:50:31
    for for the ecosystem I think this is um
  • 00:50:35
    going to be a very exciting um polka dot
  • 00:50:38
    decoded something that I think is going
  • 00:50:40
    to be definitely a big change um a great
  • 00:50:44
    change and I think um one that uh for me
  • 00:50:48
    personally would love to see and uh um
  • 00:50:50
    be part of as well so I would just say
  • 00:50:53
    that if you can find us at Kilt protocol
  • 00:50:56
    unfortunately I don't have any Twitter
  • 00:50:58
    I'm not on any social medias and so for
  • 00:51:02
    me uh yeah you can find us on our
  • 00:51:04
    Discord again um we have a website K.O
  • 00:51:08
    you can you can have a look there my
  • 00:51:10
    telegram handle and you find all all
  • 00:51:13
    everything on in the bio but yeah I just
  • 00:51:15
    would like to say thanks everyone um and
  • 00:51:19
    excited about some of the upcoming stuff
  • 00:51:21
    as well um elastic scaling and all this
  • 00:51:25
    but yeah I think pokka do de code is
  • 00:51:27
    going to be very exciting so
  • 00:51:29
    yeah thank you dadle yes absolutely
  • 00:51:32
    there's going to be lots happening there
  • 00:51:33
    and for those who can't make it in
  • 00:51:35
    person there's always the virtual live
  • 00:51:37
    streams and also you can connect with a
  • 00:51:39
    lot of uh teams virtually as well so um
  • 00:51:43
    I'm sure maybe some of you also have
  • 00:51:44
    virtual booths available so those people
  • 00:51:46
    can um can connect with you as well um
  • 00:51:49
    Tony any last remarks from you and also
  • 00:51:52
    are you going to be at decoded and your
  • 00:51:53
    team yes yes we are uh excited because
  • 00:51:56
    it's going to coincide with tge for our
  • 00:51:58
    network uh so we're super super happy
  • 00:52:01
    there and three things that we look
  • 00:52:02
    forward uh uh in the next uh months I'll
  • 00:52:05
    be super quick one hey the public uh
  • 00:52:08
    pre-sale of our tokens will be live also
  • 00:52:11
    on the 11th so you can register now go
  • 00:52:13
    to la. network if you la network. if you
  • 00:52:15
    want to contribute uh to the project two
  • 00:52:19
    we're super excited about the Bitcoin
  • 00:52:20
    possibility that we talked about so any
  • 00:52:22
    Bitcoin Bitcoin developer uh in the talk
  • 00:52:25
    uh reach out to to us because we have
  • 00:52:27
    generous grants to make that happen and
  • 00:52:30
    the third one yes and again a call to
  • 00:52:32
    all developers on on P I think we are
  • 00:52:35
    not considering enough the possibilities
  • 00:52:37
    of the bridge that's being set the snow
  • 00:52:40
    bridge that is being set between poot
  • 00:52:41
    and ethereum uh we think about it a lot
  • 00:52:44
    in terms of oh yeah we can bring uh if
  • 00:52:47
    back you know not back but to padot for
  • 00:52:49
    the first time in a secure way and
  • 00:52:50
    you'll get all the all liquidity here
  • 00:52:53
    but hey there's much more we can do uh
  • 00:52:55
    we have the root of all the state on
  • 00:52:58
    ethereum and Hance all the state of all
  • 00:53:01
    the layer twos and layer threes on
  • 00:53:03
    ethereum and vice versa at Le at least
  • 00:53:05
    when the bridge works both sides they
  • 00:53:08
    have everything that we're doing
  • 00:53:09
    available on ethereum as well including
  • 00:53:12
    killed uh identity for example people
  • 00:53:14
    registering killed or you know executing
  • 00:53:16
    things that can prove in just one single
  • 00:53:18
    transaction without actually having to
  • 00:53:19
    move from killed to ethereum that they
  • 00:53:22
    actually have passed whatever kyc uh in
  • 00:53:25
    killed things like this are you know are
  • 00:53:28
    enabling use cases that maybe we are not
  • 00:53:30
    thinking hard enough that are going to
  • 00:53:31
    be enabled over the next few
  • 00:53:34
    months yeah fantastic point I mean
  • 00:53:37
    there's a lot so much happening um that
  • 00:53:39
    maybe there's not enough time to think
  • 00:53:41
    about all those things but you you're
  • 00:53:42
    completely right it's important that we
  • 00:53:44
    take all of this into consideration and
  • 00:53:45
    I'm sure there'll be a lot more
  • 00:53:46
    developers who be um to work in this
  • 00:53:49
    though thank you so much for this ton
  • 00:53:51
    super exciting um so Francisco any
  • 00:53:54
    closing remarks from you and where can
  • 00:53:56
    the list find you and connect with you
  • 00:53:59
    um yeah first of all thanks a lot for
  • 00:54:01
    having me it's always a pleasure to
  • 00:54:02
    participate in these events um I think
  • 00:54:05
    yeah the things that I'm looking forward
  • 00:54:07
    to in 2024 is obviously the launch of
  • 00:54:09
    tansy so we're going to be launching the
  • 00:54:11
    protocol this year so that should that
  • 00:54:13
    that's exciting and if anybody's curious
  • 00:54:15
    to follow us you can yeah I think
  • 00:54:16
    Twitter's a good place so tansy Network
  • 00:54:18
    and you can kind of stay up to date with
  • 00:54:20
    everything that's happening but yeah
  • 00:54:21
    thanks again for having me today it was
  • 00:54:23
    a pleasure fantastic are you going to
  • 00:54:26
    give it the coded as well I was going to
  • 00:54:28
    but unfortunately had to cancel the trip
  • 00:54:30
    uh but there's going to be many people
  • 00:54:32
    from our team there uh so if anybody's
  • 00:54:33
    curious they could they can catch up I
  • 00:54:35
    think we're gonna have a booth as well
  • 00:54:36
    yeah fantastic great thank you so much
  • 00:54:39
    for Francisco josa any closing remarks
  • 00:54:42
    and how can people connect with you uh
  • 00:54:45
    yeah so um some of the closing remarks
  • 00:54:47
    like over the last half of the year
  • 00:54:49
    we're going to have a few hackathons
  • 00:54:50
    that we're running so I'm really excited
  • 00:54:52
    about that seeing like what developers
  • 00:54:54
    built but also getting that development
  • 00:54:56
    uh developer feedback and kind of like
  • 00:54:58
    reiterating and seeing where we can
  • 00:54:59
    improve so I'm I'm really excited about
  • 00:55:01
    that and along with like building more
  • 00:55:04
    in what I would say is like intelligent
  • 00:55:06
    interfaces to web three services so
  • 00:55:08
    being able to leverage these AI agent
  • 00:55:10
    contracts to to build something uh that
  • 00:55:13
    makes understanding web 3 a lot easier
  • 00:55:16
    and easier to interact with and build
  • 00:55:19
    applications with so that that's these
  • 00:55:20
    are some of the uh uh things I'm most
  • 00:55:23
    excited about uh also be at uh decoded
  • 00:55:26
    and in Brussels from I I'll be there a
  • 00:55:29
    long time so uh if anybody wants to uh
  • 00:55:31
    reach out to me it's warlock uh for
  • 00:55:35
    pretty much everything and then also uh
  • 00:55:37
    make sure to follow the latest news at
  • 00:55:39
    follow Network and uh join our Discord
  • 00:55:42
    if you would like as well and uh yeah
  • 00:55:44
    I'm happy to talk with anybody and see
  • 00:55:46
    people at the event as well so it's very
  • 00:55:48
    nice to be here and thank you for
  • 00:55:50
    inviting me thank you so much to
  • 00:55:52
    everybody for making such insightful and
  • 00:55:55
    really valuable contribution I'm sure
  • 00:55:56
    all the listeners learned so much and
  • 00:55:58
    being now very inspired and those
  • 00:56:00
    developers out there were just jumping
  • 00:56:02
    and starting thinking about how they can
  • 00:56:04
    contribute to all these user cases so
  • 00:56:06
    thank you so much for sharing your
  • 00:56:07
    insights and also inspiring all of us um
  • 00:56:11
    going forward and we look forward what's
  • 00:56:13
    going to be the developments for all of
  • 00:56:15
    you for the end of the year and maybe
  • 00:56:16
    we'll reconvene back in a few months and
  • 00:56:19
    see what has happen um so we'll be
  • 00:56:21
    really glad to see you back again thank
  • 00:56:23
    you so very much and any of the
  • 00:56:25
    listeners if you have any more question
  • 00:56:26
    questions please drop in the comments
  • 00:56:27
    and we'll try to answer them inviting
  • 00:56:29
    have a great day everybody take care bye
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