The Twitch Adpocalypse Has Started A Civil War
概要
TLDRThe video covers the controversy surrounding Twitch's ad revenue drop, linked to bans of streamers and offensive comments. It explores the impact of inconsistent policies on ad revenue, highlighting how Twitch's moderation and responses to controversies have driven advertisers away. The host references discussions in the community, noting frustration over perceived biases and suggesting the platform needs better systems for handling content and monetization. Comparisons are made to YouTube's past adpocalypse, emphasizing the difficulty of balancing advertiser needs with diverse content. The video urges Twitch to refine its approach, focusing on improved content categorization and avoiding blanket bans to sustain its financial ecosystem.
収穫
- 📉 Twitch's ad revenue is suffering due to recent controversies.
- 🤔 Bans on Twitch are perceived as inconsistent and biased.
- 🚫 Several advertisers have exited the platform affecting income.
- 📰 Comparisons are made to YouTube's previous ad issues.
- 🔄 Twitch may need to change content moderation strategies.
- 💼 Advertisers' opinions heavily influence content guidelines.
- 🔍 A better system for tagging and demonetizing content is suggested.
- 🗣️ Community discussions highlight widespread frustration.
- 📈 Ad revenue may recover but not to previous levels soon.
- 🔍 The video covers multiple perspectives on the issues.
- 📺 YouTube's more refined ad system is noted as superior.
- 🤣 The video presenter jokes about criticism received.
タイムライン
- 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
Lwig has posted a video that upset many viewers. Despite their critiques, no one disliked it, illustrating a supportive community. After a hiatus, with some subscribers leaving, Lwig pledges sporadic but meaningful content. He focuses on Twitch's ad issues, sparking debates over ad practices and creators' responses to them.
- 00:05:00 - 00:10:00
As Lwig discusses Twitch monetization changes, he mentions the introduction of incentive programs for running adverts. This has transformed how streamers approach ad revenue, making ads a vital income source, especially during events like subathons. He highlights examples of earnings, showing how ad density impacts streamer income.
- 00:10:00 - 00:15:00
In a comparison of subscriber and ad earnings, Lwig shows discrepancies where streamers with fewer subscribers but higher ad density can earn more. The issue of reduced ad revenue, attributed to advertisers pulling back, is explored, highlighting a decrease in streamer income as Twitch struggles to maintain advertising partners.
- 00:15:00 - 00:20:00
Lwig links Twitch's ad revenue challenges to content controversies, explaining the impact of bans and advertiser withdrawals. Instances of inconsistent moderation on Twitch, fueled by public pressure, have led to advertisers re-evaluating their partnerships, sparking a wider discussion about company policies and content management.
- 00:20:00 - 00:25:00
He discusses how social media campaigns have influenced advertisers, leading to volatility in Twitch's ad revenue. The inconsistencies in content moderation fuel debates on Twitch regarding fairness and bias, as well as the pressures on the platform from both streamers and advertisers over its content and conduct policies.
- 00:25:00 - 00:30:00
Lwig explains Twitch's response to the ad crisis by trying to tighten conduct policies and ban certain controversial figures. Twitch aims to balance community standards with advertiser demands, yet this approach draws criticism from those who see enforcement inconsistencies due to potential staff biases affecting decision-making.
- 00:30:00 - 00:35:00
He compares Twitch's punitive measures with YouTube's nuanced system, advocating for better monetization control rather than outright bans. This solution aims to address advertisers' concerns without completely shutting down creators, suggesting adaptable models could better serve content platforms in managing diverse content types.
- 00:35:00 - 00:40:00
As A.I. evolves, future ad management might include real-time content analysis to better match advertisers with suitable content, a method still limited by current tech and biases. Twitch's monetization system isn't as advanced as YouTube's, largely because of differing company priorities, limiting its ability to handle complex ad issues.
- 00:40:00 - 00:45:00
He suggests that Twitch must improve its handling of controversies to ensure consistent enforcement and maintain monetization opportunities for varied content. Current biases in moderation decisions damage Twitch's credibility, frustrating users, and possibly leading to further advertiser retreat if unresolved.
- 00:45:00 - 00:50:19
Returning to Lwig's situation, he navigates the delicate balance of commentary and the perception of bias, illustrating the broader community challenges. He concludes by reaffirming that the content dynamics on Twitch reflect complex relationships between creators, advertisers, and audiences, all influencing platform stability.
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よくある質問
What is the main topic of the video?
The video focuses on issues related to ad revenue and content moderation on Twitch, following controversial events and bans.
Why are people upset about the video?
Some viewers feel the video glosses over key issues and unfairly attributes blame for the ad revenue drop.
Who is being blamed for the Twitch ad revenue problems?
No single individual is entirely to blame, but Hassan is highlighted as a key figure in the controversy.
What happened to Twitch’s advertising?
Twitch has seen a significant drop in ad revenue due to advertisers pulling out after controversies on the platform.
How has Twitch’s handling of bans contributed to the issue?
Inconsistent banning policies have led to criticism and advertiser withdrawals.
What solution does the video propose for Twitch?
The video suggests improved content tagging and demonetization strategies instead of outright bans.
How do advertisers impact Twitch?
Advertisers influence content guidelines and can cause revenue changes by choosing where to place ads.
What comparison is made with YouTube?
The video compares Twitch's situation to YouTube’s past adpocalypse, discussing differences in ad handling.
What is the general sentiment towards Twitch’s moderation and policies?
The sentiment is critical, noting bias and inconsistencies in content moderation.
Why did Twitch’s ad program change?
The ad program changed due to public backlash and efforts to maintain advertiser relationships.
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- 00:00:00so lwig has made a video and a lot of
- 00:00:05people are not happy about that
- 00:00:08video they are very very very
- 00:00:12upset we're going to watch the video
- 00:00:16we're going to see why how many dislikes
- 00:00:18zero surprisingly all the people that
- 00:00:20commented on the video being critical
- 00:00:22not a single one of them dislike the
- 00:00:24video that's incred he's got such a
- 00:00:26great Community they're so supportive
- 00:00:28what the heck I looked to my analytics
- 00:00:30on this channel after taking a 10-week
- 00:00:32Hiatus and thousands of you guys
- 00:00:34unsubscribed okay joke's over we can
- 00:00:36resubscribe now I might take a little
- 00:00:38bit longer in between videos but when I
- 00:00:40really want to talk about something I'm
- 00:00:41going to make a damn video like today
- 00:00:43that always happens cuz people people
- 00:00:45subscribe to a channel their interests
- 00:00:46change there just that always happens
- 00:00:48talking about the twitch ad apocalypse
- 00:00:50why cuz I was talking to my friend Shake
- 00:00:52about it last night and I wanted to look
- 00:00:53up a video to learn more about it and
- 00:00:55there was none so I decided what do you
- 00:00:57mean I've made like five videos about it
- 00:01:00look what are you talking he's already
- 00:01:06lying he's already lying look there's
- 00:01:09one video this is another no that's
- 00:01:12something else I made this video The
- 00:01:14Apocalypse you mean you mean you didn't
- 00:01:17want to watch my 1 hour and 27 minute
- 00:01:19video
- 00:01:22lwig who is this [ __ ] [ __ ] lying
- 00:01:26about me he didn't watch my movie long
- 00:01:30my movie length react
- 00:01:35video okay I will make one and today I
- 00:01:37should preface we are going to basically
- 00:01:39be talking about three points around the
- 00:01:41twitch ad apocalypse what is it how did
- 00:01:44it happen and what should happen next to
- 00:01:46fixing that's really what I want to
- 00:01:48address today we should start with first
- 00:01:51ads on Twitch cuz I'm old enough on
- 00:01:53Twitch that back in my day un status I
- 00:01:55get it it was cringe to run ads people
- 00:01:57didn't do it it made sense you know
- 00:02:00people would already be paying your
- 00:02:01subscribers for your content so why
- 00:02:03would you also be taxing people by
- 00:02:06making them watch ads yeah that's what
- 00:02:08people have been wondering about with
- 00:02:09Netflix for like five years now yeah and
- 00:02:13Amazon Prime and and like Hulu yeah
- 00:02:14people have been wondering that a lot
- 00:02:16recently it's a good thing he brings
- 00:02:17that up very
- 00:02:19true it was something you just didn't
- 00:02:22really do until twitch made a bit of a
- 00:02:24change they started to tell you how much
- 00:02:26money you would make if you were to run
- 00:02:29ads and they also rent a program that's
- 00:02:31oh this program by the way like I don't
- 00:02:35let me see if I can get if I have an ad
- 00:02:37incentive program for me you guys want
- 00:02:40to see if I can uh if I can show you how
- 00:02:41much money I'd make from
- 00:02:43ads let me take a
- 00:02:47look uh extensions
- 00:02:50monetization uh
- 00:02:53ads how many ads would I oh it doesn't
- 00:02:56tell me how much ads I
- 00:02:58make other Revenue maybe no [ __ ] [ __ ] I
- 00:03:02can't tell you guys but $0 yes it
- 00:03:05doesn't matter whatever the number is
- 00:03:07multiplied by zero um you got to be
- 00:03:09partnered yeah I guess
- 00:03:10so but I'll tell you that with my
- 00:03:13average viewership if I ran three
- 00:03:16minutes let's say six minutes of ads I
- 00:03:19would probably make an
- 00:03:23extra $200 to $400,000 a month that's
- 00:03:28about how much
- 00:03:30the amount of money that twitch was
- 00:03:32paying people for running ads was
- 00:03:35crazy it was absolutely
- 00:03:38crazy holy [ __ ] yes uh right now uh yeah
- 00:03:43and well probably not after not after
- 00:03:45this but um before this yes for doing
- 00:03:49legit nothing well I mean you could say
- 00:03:51it's nothing or you could say it's
- 00:03:52making people watch an ad right I mean
- 00:03:54there it is if you build a billboard and
- 00:03:56then somebody pay out their [ __ ] on the
- 00:03:57billboard you're not doing anything
- 00:03:59thing but the ads still get shown and
- 00:04:01they still pay you well if you're a
- 00:04:03really big billboard you make a lot of
- 00:04:05money it's pretty
- 00:04:07simple subsidize that amount of money so
- 00:04:10they basically say like okay well this
- 00:04:12is how many viewers you have if you were
- 00:04:13to run like three six nine minutes of
- 00:04:15ads an hour we could pay you like a
- 00:04:17couple thousand dollars and you know not
- 00:04:19only could we we will guarantee pay you
- 00:04:22that amount of money so a minimum
- 00:04:23guarante just do the deliverables and
- 00:04:25you know it all sort itself out they're
- 00:04:27basically subsidizing people running ads
- 00:04:29now they only ran this program for like
- 00:04:30a few months but it worked it created a
- 00:04:33culture where streamers now knew how
- 00:04:35much they would make if they ran ads and
- 00:04:36it became a part of their lifestyle and
- 00:04:38overall income and so now people run ads
- 00:04:40and you should know this if you've ever
- 00:04:42tried to watch a subathon in the past
- 00:04:44couple of years cuz those are basically
- 00:04:47ad Farms Man live 732 hours in a month
- 00:04:50that's 732 hours to run ads baby and
- 00:04:53thankful to the Boys At FaZe for leaking
- 00:04:56their income we know how much money you
- 00:04:58can make from ad alone now I'm not sure
- 00:05:01it's possible that Ron might have
- 00:05:03photoshopped this image a bit little
- 00:05:04inspect element but if we take it at
- 00:05:07face value he says he earned $1.2
- 00:05:09million during his subathon that's a lot
- 00:05:11of money and he only had 63,000
- 00:05:13subscribers now I say only because if
- 00:05:15you do the math that 63,000 subscribers
- 00:05:18is
- 00:05:19$220,000 which means he made an extra
- 00:05:21million that's not from bits yeah I
- 00:05:25could believe
- 00:05:27that yeah
- 00:05:32that would mostly be from ads his
- 00:05:35subathon was really popular it did
- 00:05:37really well and you can also see like
- 00:05:39the comparison because Jason got he got
- 00:05:43way more uh Subs like this guy this guy
- 00:05:46was killing it on Subs it was insane
- 00:05:49like he had probably one of the biggest
- 00:05:50pop offs this year and he made less than
- 00:05:53half of what Ronaldo did and I remember
- 00:05:55looking at the reason why it's because
- 00:05:58he ran way less ads than Ronaldo
- 00:06:01did even more realistic and more
- 00:06:03impressive in my mind Jason was the
- 00:06:06biggest in the phase group for their
- 00:06:08subathon in terms of Subs he had the
- 00:06:10most subscribers you can see 100,000
- 00:06:12right here and he made $500,000 total
- 00:06:15it's a lot of money it now the light
- 00:06:17pink is the amount of money he made from
- 00:06:19ads you can see his ad density went down
- 00:06:22all right he didn't make as much from
- 00:06:23ads as opposed to somebody like lacy
- 00:06:26that's a lot of light pink yeah now
- 00:06:28ignore this number he know is a fact he
- 00:06:30inspect elemented this this is a fake
- 00:06:32number this number is real what are you
- 00:06:34do what are you doing with this [ __ ]
- 00:06:36what are you doing why why are you
- 00:06:38trying to play how do you why why you
- 00:06:41got to do
- 00:06:44that he just lying
- 00:06:48again he try he lying again what's he
- 00:06:51lying
- 00:06:52for what you only made
- 00:06:55$428,000 in a month that's not good
- 00:06:58enough
- 00:07:00bro this guy needs to just go be a
- 00:07:03mailman so he made $70,000 less than
- 00:07:06Jason while having less than half as
- 00:07:08many Subs less average viewers how
- 00:07:11because his ad density was so high he's
- 00:07:14running an ad density equivalent to TV
- 00:07:17shows okay and he is able to make just
- 00:07:20from that hundreds of thousands of
- 00:07:21dollars in ads I would not be surprised
- 00:07:23made as much if not more money from his
- 00:07:25subathon in and advertising than he did
- 00:07:28from all of the hundreds of thousand of
- 00:07:29Subs he has that's not even a question
- 00:07:32it's not even a Kai probably made three
- 00:07:35times as much money from ads since then
- 00:07:38Subs this is all kind of gone now oh the
- 00:07:42advertisers are pulling out it is true
- 00:07:45and streamers are making a lot less
- 00:07:48money this month okay how do we know
- 00:07:51this well
- 00:07:53twitch
- 00:07:56[ __ ] streamers are talking about it here
- 00:08:00is Quinn what the
- 00:08:03hell so you getting wait oh bro you just
- 00:08:07getting no add money at
- 00:08:11all yeah all right here's Moon Moon also
- 00:08:13talking about it saw get a w array of
- 00:08:16ads ad apocalypse BL blah blah blah out
- 00:08:18of curiosity I went to check my
- 00:08:22Revenue uh and the last two days I've
- 00:08:24streamed I I received 0er on ads I think
- 00:08:30and lwig probably knows this I don't
- 00:08:31know if he's going to bring this up with
- 00:08:33Moon's situation explicitly I'm actually
- 00:08:36not sure that this is a good point of is
- 00:08:39a good data point because in a lot of
- 00:08:41cases ads are not fully calculated until
- 00:08:453 to five days after the day that you
- 00:08:47streamed on so I'm not entirely sure if
- 00:08:51like that's the case it's a yeah it
- 00:08:53could also be a bug and then finally
- 00:08:56here's stocky actually showing his
- 00:08:58Analytics you can see how much money he
- 00:09:00is making for ads and how far it is
- 00:09:03dropped for some people it's half for
- 00:09:05some people they're making 10 20% of
- 00:09:08what they used to make and the way ads
- 00:09:10worked on Twitch for a long time was a
- 00:09:12very simple calculation what is your
- 00:09:14your viewership okay what is your ad
- 00:09:16density how many ads are you running an
- 00:09:18hour and where are your viewers from
- 00:09:20because uh advertisers view viewers uh
- 00:09:23differently depending on their location
- 00:09:25that is it that is the only factors that
- 00:09:27went in and then however much money
- 00:09:29twitch made from advertising they would
- 00:09:32pay you out like a percentage portion
- 00:09:34all right you know some something like
- 00:09:3630 40 50 some some percent based off
- 00:09:38your deal of how much money they made
- 00:09:40from the advertisers the issue is that
- 00:09:43only works if they have advertisers
- 00:09:45that's been the
- 00:09:47problem that right there is the point of
- 00:09:51contention that is why we're having this
- 00:09:54conversation is because of that right
- 00:09:57there a lot of advertisers have pulled
- 00:09:59out okay they have pulled out and it has
- 00:10:02hit twitch hard all right and I'll talk
- 00:10:04in a minute what my prediction is for
- 00:10:07what will happen to that advertising
- 00:10:08money but first we have to talk about
- 00:10:10why they pulled out what where did the
- 00:10:12advertisers go do they hate twitch all a
- 00:10:14sudden that's right well the Genesis of
- 00:10:17this as far as I can tell is when asmin
- 00:10:19got banned off of twitch it's obviously
- 00:10:22me I did
- 00:10:25this asmin got banned after making some
- 00:10:28comments about Palestinian people some
- 00:10:30very negative comments about Palestinian
- 00:10:32people that he got banned off of twitch
- 00:10:33I was a very bad this sort of caused a
- 00:10:36domino effect where people are like okay
- 00:10:38you ban asmin for saying this thing
- 00:10:40about Palestinian people but you know
- 00:10:43what about uh this person saying this
- 00:10:45thing about this people
- 00:10:47and which is a great
- 00:10:52question amazing question to
- 00:10:56ask also keep in mind
- 00:11:00the entire
- 00:11:01Crusade because let's let's just cut all
- 00:11:05of the
- 00:11:07[ __ ] a lot of this is because a lot
- 00:11:09of people just don't [ __ ] like
- 00:11:12Hassan you know it I know it everybody
- 00:11:14knows
- 00:11:15it Hassan has said a number of things
- 00:11:18over the years
- 00:11:20that sound really bad I don't want to
- 00:11:23get into a big [ __ ] debate about
- 00:11:25whether they are bad or who was right
- 00:11:28but we can acknowledge that there's a
- 00:11:30lot of people that didn't like them okay
- 00:11:34a lot of people didn't like
- 00:11:36them and people are using all of these
- 00:11:39examples to try to get advertisers to
- 00:11:43leave that's the reason why that's the
- 00:11:46main
- 00:11:47reason so my situation might have made
- 00:11:52this bigger than it already was but this
- 00:11:55was already happening before I even had
- 00:11:59any of I I never got suspended I didn't
- 00:12:01have anything to do with
- 00:12:03this and you can look at like the posts
- 00:12:06and you can date the post and see
- 00:12:11that that happened a lot because this is
- 00:12:13an issue twitch's been dealing with for
- 00:12:15years you could say that I died for
- 00:12:17their
- 00:12:18sin now I wouldn't say that but you
- 00:12:21could say
- 00:12:23that I there are some people there are a
- 00:12:25lot of people actually that do say that
- 00:12:29tremendous amount of people that say
- 00:12:31that which is inconsistency in their
- 00:12:34band that's true all right they they
- 00:12:36have their their code of conduct or
- 00:12:37terms of service whatever they have to
- 00:12:39ban based off of that and and sometimes
- 00:12:42it's not upheld consistently yes all
- 00:12:44right and so this became you can see
- 00:12:47October 16th the day asmin got banned a
- 00:12:49very common Trend all right oh you ban
- 00:12:51asmin well what about when froan said
- 00:12:54this you know crazy thing about uh US
- 00:12:56soldiers all right and and and and
- 00:12:58twitch got basically controversy after
- 00:13:00controversy after
- 00:13:02controversy that's crazy so I'll say
- 00:13:06this too A lot of people are getting mad
- 00:13:08about the way that lwig framed me in the
- 00:13:12video sometimes you're the farmer other
- 00:13:14times you're the crop I make videos that
- 00:13:17are Drama videos all the time about
- 00:13:19people a lot of times people make videos
- 00:13:22about me they're not always going to get
- 00:13:24things completely right I don't think
- 00:13:26lwig is acting in bad faith here you
- 00:13:29guys don't have to get mad at him on my
- 00:13:32behalf if you want to because you have
- 00:13:35like some you think lwig and Hassan or
- 00:13:37like planning this you know behind the
- 00:13:39scenes go ahead I'm not going to try to
- 00:13:41fight you on this okay I don't want to
- 00:13:42argue about this but coming from like me
- 00:13:46it doesn't bother me it's totally
- 00:13:49fine I'm not mad I'm not
- 00:13:53offended there's nothing
- 00:13:56wrong all right and and and at first
- 00:14:00this was maybe just some like Social
- 00:14:01Media stuff but then there was a
- 00:14:04concerted effort by people to go
- 00:14:06straight to the advertisers all right
- 00:14:08cuz twitch wasn't buckling they weren't
- 00:14:10like Banning other people for their
- 00:14:12comments based off the social media
- 00:14:14blowup they were just kind of holding
- 00:14:16fast they baned asmin they're like okay
- 00:14:18we're good now please leave us alone
- 00:14:20that did not work they were not because
- 00:14:22twitch doesn't twitch doesn't give a
- 00:14:24[ __ ] they just want to have people stop
- 00:14:27complaining that's it
- 00:14:30alone not only were they not left alone
- 00:14:31their advertisers were not left alone
- 00:14:33and this is one of the other Genesis is
- 00:14:36I can see of advertisers uh now getting
- 00:14:39involved after the asmin ban uh and
- 00:14:42here's a tweet that said made a video of
- 00:14:44what you can do it's a long video so
- 00:14:45I'll just distill it but basically it
- 00:14:47was email the advertisers that twitch
- 00:14:49worked with who were displayed
- 00:14:51prominently in sections that that people
- 00:14:53viewed as like anti-semitic uh and and
- 00:14:57get them involved racist you know [ __ ]
- 00:15:00twitch for making me do this cancel
- 00:15:01culture cuck [ __ ] and loser [ __ ] but
- 00:15:04that is exactly what happened it was uh
- 00:15:07a a attempt at the reason why people
- 00:15:10contact advertisers is because it works
- 00:15:13a lot of advertisers don't really care
- 00:15:15about anything other than not having
- 00:15:18problems so they just if if people start
- 00:15:22complaining they just immediately pull
- 00:15:24out because they don't have any real
- 00:15:26investment in this situation one way or
- 00:15:28another this isn't their their fight
- 00:15:31they don't care they just want to move
- 00:15:33away from it that's it and and and this
- 00:15:36is why I'm very much not a fan of
- 00:15:38relying on Advertising because if you do
- 00:15:41there's it's only a matter of time till
- 00:15:43something like this happens it because
- 00:15:46they they don't have really your best
- 00:15:48interest in mind and from their
- 00:15:50perspective you don't have their best
- 00:15:51interest in mind either so it's always a
- 00:15:53tenous relationship and that's why you
- 00:15:55see this happen like now you know we've
- 00:15:57been on the internet now for a long time
- 00:15:59right it's been existing for a long time
- 00:16:00we've seen this like kind of you know e
- 00:16:02and flow right where there's been a lot
- 00:16:05of advertising and then something
- 00:16:07happens then they all go away and then
- 00:16:08they come back and you know it's like
- 00:16:10it's one of those
- 00:16:12things creating an ad apocalypse attempt
- 00:16:15yeah very successful now twitch tried to
- 00:16:18curb this they tried to appease uh
- 00:16:20advertisers and also the Anti-Defamation
- 00:16:22League who's getting involved uh and
- 00:16:25they banned several Arab streamers
- 00:16:27following a Habibi rating panel that was
- 00:16:29at twitchcon and you can see the
- 00:16:31sponsors are in the background of this
- 00:16:33this was going viral all I promise you
- 00:16:36all of these sponsors got thousands of
- 00:16:39emails in their inbox after this and it
- 00:16:43worked now you might think to yourself
- 00:16:45and like I mean if you're a sponsor like
- 00:16:47as I said I I don't really uh I don't
- 00:16:49like this whole appeal to uh advertisers
- 00:16:52thing I I don't like it but it does work
- 00:16:55and so people are going to use a
- 00:16:58strategy that works because they're
- 00:17:00looking for a specific outcome so that's
- 00:17:03just what happens yeah of course okay
- 00:17:05well lwi this is like a month ago right
- 00:17:07we're we're November 16th now Asma got
- 00:17:09banned October 16th a ago the uh the
- 00:17:12Banning of uh uh the people at the
- 00:17:14twitchcon panel was October 21st well
- 00:17:17how do you think ad deals work it rolls
- 00:17:19over the next month so the reason ad
- 00:17:23rates plummeted in November is because
- 00:17:26all those advertisers pulled out lwig is
- 00:17:29actually saying something that's true
- 00:17:31but I don't think that he's going far
- 00:17:32enough in the circumstance I actually
- 00:17:34think that this could have a ripple
- 00:17:36effect that could go into next year
- 00:17:38because right now like this is the way
- 00:17:39that a lot of advertising contracts work
- 00:17:42is that advertising is decided for the
- 00:17:44next year around this time period right
- 00:17:46or even before then uh so a lot of
- 00:17:49people are going to see this happening
- 00:17:52and they will be hesitant to resign or
- 00:17:55to approach advertising on Twitch now in
- 00:17:582020
- 00:17:592 so we're really not seeing the effects
- 00:18:02of it until probably later on next year
- 00:18:06because that's really what's going to
- 00:18:07tell like it's not like every Advertiser
- 00:18:09on YouTube left YouTube the the day
- 00:18:12after PewDiePie uh was on the bridge
- 00:18:14right it it took a period of time and
- 00:18:17it's the same thing with
- 00:18:20this out for the month of November and
- 00:18:24there's no way in that twoe period for
- 00:18:27twitch to resell a bunch of AD slots to
- 00:18:30brand new advertisers especially when
- 00:18:32brand new advertisers are going to see
- 00:18:34this blowing up on social media and and
- 00:18:36not want to touch it with a 60 you get
- 00:18:38me absolutely all right so there there's
- 00:18:40currently in in twitch World a a I mean
- 00:18:43a piss match right uh uh Hassan is
- 00:18:46blaming asmin gold for the Ed apocalypse
- 00:18:48for for teaming up with people who he
- 00:18:50says and asmin is looking at me and
- 00:18:53blaming me I want to say you're welcome
- 00:18:56taking blame himself and and probably
- 00:18:58talking about
- 00:18:59about Dei again for the 100th time
- 00:19:03I it's the 200th time
- 00:19:07okay more journalistic inaccuracies from
- 00:19:11lwig if I had to guess I thought this
- 00:19:13guy went to journalism twitch doing
- 00:19:15about it twitch has done two main things
- 00:19:18the first one is they are trying to have
- 00:19:21the most perfectly crafted curated uh
- 00:19:24conduct policy to be able to catch all
- 00:19:27things that could offend anyone and make
- 00:19:29advertisers as happy as possible uh and
- 00:19:32and this is a very hard thing to do in
- 00:19:33an everchanging World their latest
- 00:19:35change has been uh making the term
- 00:19:37Zionist along with the the problem why
- 00:19:39TW why twitch is having a problem is
- 00:19:41because everybody knows who the problem
- 00:19:43boys are we all know who the problem
- 00:19:45boys are and we all know this stuff
- 00:19:47that's problematic everybody sees it but
- 00:19:49everybody has to pretend like it's not
- 00:19:51there the reason why is because a lot of
- 00:19:54the people this is I I I mean I might
- 00:19:56sound like a conspiracy theorist here
- 00:19:57but you know this is I think I think the
- 00:20:00reason why this stuff is happening on
- 00:20:01Twitch is because the people on Twitch
- 00:20:03agree with it the people that work at
- 00:20:05the moderation team and work at twitch
- 00:20:08agree with the things that are being
- 00:20:10said on the website so they're not
- 00:20:12Banning it or they're defending it or
- 00:20:14they're looking at it with a more soft
- 00:20:16perspective and they're not looking at
- 00:20:18it the way that a lot of I think average
- 00:20:20people are I think that's the most
- 00:20:23logical way to approach this now does
- 00:20:25this mean everybody at twitch is like
- 00:20:27that of course not uh does it mean that
- 00:20:29most people are no not necessarily all
- 00:20:32it takes is a handful of people in you
- 00:20:33know specific positions and then this
- 00:20:35becomes a widespread problem that's
- 00:20:38really what
- 00:20:41happens a like uh mean term uh now
- 00:20:45prohibited now that gets you banned off
- 00:20:48the website the other thing they have
- 00:20:49done is they are now using tags as a way
- 00:20:53to demonetize creators so you know
- 00:20:56there's this thing on Twitch that people
- 00:20:58usually usually use as jokes yeah called
- 00:21:00Tags so like Kai's tags are short and
- 00:21:02loud you know asmin tags are bald okay
- 00:21:07uh but some of the tags are are very
- 00:21:09legitimate and well used like the
- 00:21:10language tags and some are now enforced
- 00:21:14like the politics tag and if you have a
- 00:21:16tag like politics or something maybe
- 00:21:18like sexual themes is wellis you're not
- 00:21:22going to be making money off ads and we
- 00:21:24know that cuz here's a clip of someone
- 00:21:26talking about that who has those sexual
- 00:21:27theme tags so this month I play like
- 00:21:30full uh
- 00:21:31three 3 hours in and I get 0.08 USD
- 00:21:35money from it she played three hours of
- 00:21:38ads and she made eight cents okay eight
- 00:21:41cents total uh now what's going to
- 00:21:44happen next the ad money is going to
- 00:21:46come back maybe not to where it was
- 00:21:49before at least not for a while it'll
- 00:21:51always come back uh it it always this is
- 00:21:53what happens because the advertisers
- 00:21:55don't really care about this problem
- 00:21:57they only care about people caring about
- 00:21:59the problem so one thing that you have
- 00:22:01to keep in mind with any internet drama
- 00:22:04is that it all has a shelf life anything
- 00:22:07bad that happened 5 years ago is
- 00:22:09probably a joke now people joke around
- 00:22:12with it now now everybody might have
- 00:22:14pretended back then that it mattered but
- 00:22:16nobody really gives a [ __ ] about this
- 00:22:17nobody cares nobody cares about any of
- 00:22:19this right like let's just be honest
- 00:22:21here guys uh this is on the Internet
- 00:22:23it's like you you want to make this go
- 00:22:25away here I'll tell you here's how you
- 00:22:26make it go away well oh wow it's gone
- 00:22:30where'd it go I don't see
- 00:22:33it it's not
- 00:22:36there none of it's [ __ ] real people
- 00:22:38are just getting recreationally offended
- 00:22:40on the internet and people use this
- 00:22:42outrage as a form of entertainment and I
- 00:22:44get that I understand that I mean I'm
- 00:22:46part of that I'm a victim of it and also
- 00:22:49a perpetrator and I think that many
- 00:22:51people also in the chat are uh but
- 00:22:53nobody really cares just keep that in
- 00:22:56mind nobody actually really cares about
- 00:22:58this
- 00:22:59not nobody right but basically
- 00:23:02nobody but we know this because this has
- 00:23:05happened before if you remember YouTube
- 00:23:07had an ad Apocalypse in 2017 a lot of
- 00:23:09people blame PewDiePie for it I would
- 00:23:11argue that's a bit reductive in the same
- 00:23:13way it might be reductive to blame a
- 00:23:15single person for the adpocalypse on
- 00:23:17Twitch today uh at that same time that
- 00:23:20PewDiePie had a video with a bunch of
- 00:23:21edgy jokes there were also uh terrorist
- 00:23:24training videos found on YouTube that
- 00:23:26had advertisers on them yeah usually
- 00:23:29what happens is that one event acts as
- 00:23:31kind of a catalyst for everybody else to
- 00:23:34look for other events too where it's
- 00:23:36like oh wow this happened well wait a
- 00:23:38minute oh my God this other thing
- 00:23:40happened too what the [ __ ] and then it's
- 00:23:42like you know when it rains it
- 00:23:46pours but the thing is it's not like if
- 00:23:49you go to YouTube there isn't [ __ ] up
- 00:23:52[ __ ] on there still you know there's
- 00:23:53yeah why are people saying nobody metion
- 00:23:55he didn't mention Assan he just said
- 00:23:57terrorists of course he did
- 00:23:58right
- 00:24:00guys I love the skos that get mad about
- 00:24:04this by the way before somebody sends
- 00:24:05this to I'm joking okay I don't actually
- 00:24:08think Hassan's a [ __ ] terrorist
- 00:24:10before somebody's tries to start drama
- 00:24:12or whatever it's a joke
- 00:24:15anyway it's very obvious that there's a
- 00:24:18lot of people on Twitch that have said
- 00:24:20things that they should have gotten in
- 00:24:21more trouble for
- 00:24:23absolutely
- 00:24:26however it's just of course people are
- 00:24:29going to say this like people hate
- 00:24:31unfairness they hate hypocrisy that
- 00:24:34that's what in the reason why people
- 00:24:37hate hypocrisy let me explain why this
- 00:24:40is my opinion okay like what the [ __ ] do
- 00:24:42I know my opinion the reason why I think
- 00:24:45people hate hypocrisy is because of the
- 00:24:47implicit disrespect that that it puts in
- 00:24:50there that it makes the person believe
- 00:24:53it's like I'm doing something that's
- 00:24:56contradictory and I am insult ing your
- 00:24:58intelligence by doing this thinking that
- 00:25:00you won't notice that's why people react
- 00:25:03so personally to hypocrisy is because
- 00:25:06they view the hypocrisy as a slight
- 00:25:09against themselves
- 00:25:11personally that's the reason why I
- 00:25:14thought about this a
- 00:25:17lot there's definitely still stuff that
- 00:25:20advertisers would not want to advertise
- 00:25:22on mhm I can look this [ __ ] up if I want
- 00:25:26why is you look this up if you look up
- 00:25:28nude Yogo nude nude yoga there's some
- 00:25:31[ __ ] on there that advertisers do not
- 00:25:32want to be on that is still available on
- 00:25:34YouTube cuz there should be a difference
- 00:25:37on what is available to watch on a
- 00:25:39platform and what advertisers want to be
- 00:25:42a part of on a platform the problem is
- 00:25:45that so he's talking about this I think
- 00:25:48he's kind of right I've got to sorry
- 00:25:51I've got to change this okay
- 00:25:54um just um
- 00:25:58I think that like for example like
- 00:26:00twitch can't have a porn section because
- 00:26:03advertisers won't be on a platform won't
- 00:26:05want to be on a platform that a porn
- 00:26:07that like porn is is hosted on so even
- 00:26:11if it's not directly connected to the
- 00:26:13advertisers they still will care so the
- 00:26:16the content like there's a there's a
- 00:26:18gray area right it's not like binary but
- 00:26:21there is some content that just can't be
- 00:26:24on the platform period like porn
- 00:26:29what about condom adverts I don't
- 00:26:33know not everything that's on a platform
- 00:26:36should just be stuff that advertisers
- 00:26:39want to see we should not become Coco
- 00:26:41melon TV on every single platform in the
- 00:26:43same way that not everything on a
- 00:26:45platform should be only things
- 00:26:46advertisers don't want like well let's
- 00:26:49be frank kick okay you don't you don't
- 00:26:51want both of there a kick has an
- 00:26:54Advertiser it's called stake what do you
- 00:26:56mean what are you talking about
- 00:26:59realities you need a mix but to have a
- 00:27:01mix you need a lever to be able to
- 00:27:04punish people accordingly and what I
- 00:27:07mean by that is right now on Twitch the
- 00:27:09biggest problem that I see is the only
- 00:27:11way they have to punish people or the
- 00:27:13main way they've had to punish people is
- 00:27:15a ban and a ban is very strict it is 100
- 00:27:19to zero turn the water off okay you
- 00:27:23cannot make any content at all anymore
- 00:27:25at all ever best two weeks of my life
- 00:27:31oh it was so good it was
- 00:27:35amazing all right that's a little bit
- 00:27:39strict on YouTube they have a pretty
- 00:27:41good system you've probably heard of it
- 00:27:43right most videos if everything's good
- 00:27:45to go they are monetized okay maybe
- 00:27:48that's what the green uh money sign is
- 00:27:49maybe you have the gray money sign that
- 00:27:51means you didn't monetize it okay you
- 00:27:54just didn't monetize that [ __ ] red means
- 00:27:56you can't monetize it that's right this
- 00:27:58could be for copyright or or uh because
- 00:28:01maybe what the content is about that's
- 00:28:02what the r you probably because you said
- 00:28:04the n-word too many times you can only
- 00:28:05say it seven times in a video can't
- 00:28:08monetize it then there's yellow which is
- 00:28:12this video in in YouTube If you ever ask
- 00:28:15them we always say this is not being
- 00:28:17suppressed by the algorithm but will not
- 00:28:19be shown to advertisers now YouTubers
- 00:28:22will always limited it's limited
- 00:28:24advertisers like where there's like a
- 00:28:26spectrum but yeah s you that if it has
- 00:28:28the yellow uh uh money sign it is being
- 00:28:31suppressed the views are worse YouTube
- 00:28:33says the opposite but fact remains you
- 00:28:36this does not make money the the
- 00:28:39advertisers will not go on this video
- 00:28:40now there's another section which is
- 00:28:42yellow with the 18 plus I never even
- 00:28:46seen so not only can they not be
- 00:28:47monetized the channel must be 18 plus to
- 00:28:49watch those do get suppressed obviously
- 00:28:51because it's just being shown to less
- 00:28:53people total but this is the system that
- 00:28:55YouTube uses now and the spot
- 00:28:58in part from the
- 00:29:00adpocalypse as opposed to all content
- 00:29:03being equal and being able to be
- 00:29:04monetized just based off those three
- 00:29:06factors views ad density where the view
- 00:29:09YouTube's ad delivery system is
- 00:29:11infinitely better than Twitch in pretty
- 00:29:13much every single
- 00:29:15way like Google AdWords and Google
- 00:29:17AdSense is the Premier best ad program
- 00:29:21in the entire
- 00:29:22world like and as far as I know there's
- 00:29:25nothing else that's even REM remotely
- 00:29:27close
- 00:29:28like twitch is where Google was in like
- 00:29:342009 are from it is now also based off
- 00:29:37what the content of the uh what the
- 00:29:40contents of the content is you get me
- 00:29:43and twitch hasn't had a good way to do
- 00:29:45that I think this tag system is also not
- 00:29:49the best way to do that cuz people can
- 00:29:51lie quite easily about tags and tags are
- 00:29:53seen as a bit of a joke so imagine if
- 00:29:56you had to do on Twitch is what I think
- 00:29:57they should do no I I disagree with that
- 00:29:59I think the tags are a good solution the
- 00:30:01reason why is because twitch will put
- 00:30:03them on your channel uh without like
- 00:30:06your control so this happens to a lot of
- 00:30:08girls like only fans girls they'll do
- 00:30:10like hot tub streams or something and
- 00:30:12then twitch will put a label for sexual
- 00:30:14content on their Channel and it'll be
- 00:30:17like a you know like a you know like a I
- 00:30:20don't know like a a big red like dollar
- 00:30:22sign right like what L is lwi is talking
- 00:30:25about and so what happens is that now
- 00:30:28not making any money and so they have to
- 00:30:30spend a period of time because they
- 00:30:31can't take that off themselves twitch
- 00:30:33has to take that off and that's what a
- 00:30:35twitch person told me is that they said
- 00:30:37hey bro like make sure that you put this
- 00:30:39on your stream because uh you know like
- 00:30:41if you don't we're going to have to put
- 00:30:42it on for you and then he's basically
- 00:30:45saying like you have to do it and then I
- 00:30:47go to um I go to look at and he had
- 00:30:49already done it for me yeah it's a
- 00:30:51Scarlet Letter yeah the letter is
- 00:30:54L the same thing you have to do on
- 00:30:56YouTube when you upload a video when you
- 00:30:58start up a stream you have to do this so
- 00:30:59when you when you upload a YouTube video
- 00:31:01first thing you have to do does it have
- 00:31:02paid advertising you have to disclose
- 00:31:04all right this is required instantly
- 00:31:06instantly make you do that I think
- 00:31:07that'd be a good thing all right if I
- 00:31:09want to monetize it yeah I want to make
- 00:31:10some money let's make some money [ __ ] it
- 00:31:12it'll make you go to an ad suitability
- 00:31:15form and basically I have to fill out
- 00:31:18okay uh do I have some sensor profanity
- 00:31:21or words like hell or damn did I say
- 00:31:23[ __ ] douchebag or [ __ ] yeah yeah I
- 00:31:26did do that okay does it have a adult
- 00:31:28sexual content okay yeah I had romance
- 00:31:31and kissing okay you can see how this ad
- 00:31:35system is just infinitely better than
- 00:31:39twitch and also like if you click the
- 00:31:41wrong buttons with this you'll you'll
- 00:31:43probably get away with it for a little
- 00:31:45while for sure but eventually you
- 00:31:48won't uh or oh no I had some exposed
- 00:31:51minimal sexual body parts now the ads
- 00:31:53are automatically somebody got they dick
- 00:31:54out I have the burden of answering my
- 00:31:58now you could say well you would just
- 00:31:59lie on this here's what YouTube does
- 00:32:01they have a bot automatically check yeah
- 00:32:04if they find discrepancies and your
- 00:32:06rating in accuracy is low yeah they
- 00:32:09might not monetize your video and and I
- 00:32:12have I have been a bit of a victim of
- 00:32:14this it looks like you might have made
- 00:32:16some mistakes yep and what happens is
- 00:32:18now I have more Bots basically more Bots
- 00:32:20check my [ __ ] because I was wrong cuz
- 00:32:23every time I do it I just say yeah I
- 00:32:25have some slight swearing and sometimes
- 00:32:27I have a bit more CU I'm playing league
- 00:32:29with some degenerate [ __ ] yeah but
- 00:32:31their fault to me how how twitch should
- 00:32:33work right they'll need some Bots to be
- 00:32:34able to scour the content they'll
- 00:32:36probably have to do this manually but
- 00:32:38what I don't think that they can I I
- 00:32:39disagree with that I actually think that
- 00:32:40probably in five years less than five
- 00:32:42years they're going to be able to use AI
- 00:32:44to parse out in real time and then make
- 00:32:46an algorithm for how often you know
- 00:32:48somebody says certain words and then
- 00:32:51create a matrix that decides to put them
- 00:32:54inside of a different advertising
- 00:32:55suitability like a matrix
- 00:32:58like I I I feel like that's obviously
- 00:33:00what you do
- 00:33:02right I think not very realistic because
- 00:33:05they haven't been able to do this in the
- 00:33:07past decade that I have known twitch the
- 00:33:09website here's the truth it's that
- 00:33:11twitch doesn't really make a lot of
- 00:33:12money like Google's ad delivery system
- 00:33:14is a massive part of their revenue like
- 00:33:17it literally makes them like it the ad
- 00:33:21delivery system by itself makes like
- 00:33:23probably 10 to 50 times as much money as
- 00:33:25twitch does altogether so
- 00:33:28Amazon as a
- 00:33:30service if you go on Amazon Prime and
- 00:33:32you go to Amazon to buy something the
- 00:33:35amount of like videos that you get or
- 00:33:37advertisements that you get for like
- 00:33:39appropriate or like similar like
- 00:33:41products that are sponsored is actually
- 00:33:43quite good and it actually is so good
- 00:33:45that it tricks people into thinking that
- 00:33:46they're legitimate results and that's
- 00:33:48why you know they're getting paid big
- 00:33:49money but advertising on Twitch isn't
- 00:33:52that important to Amazon because it's
- 00:33:54not a big part of their business model
- 00:33:57like they don't really do like as far as
- 00:33:59I know right I could be wrong about this
- 00:34:01they don't really do like massive ad
- 00:34:02sales in the same way that Google does
- 00:34:05so this isn't a priority for them in the
- 00:34:07same way that it is for Google so that's
- 00:34:11the reason why and I don't think twitch
- 00:34:13is really going to make it that much
- 00:34:14better but I do think twitch needs to do
- 00:34:17a little bit better with
- 00:34:19having you know like better uh better
- 00:34:24consolidation they cannot continue to
- 00:34:27make their their main way of
- 00:34:28demonetization banning by upholding
- 00:34:31their their their code of conduct and
- 00:34:33their terms of service they should
- 00:34:34continue to ban people when people are
- 00:34:36breaking it yeah but they're going to
- 00:34:38[ __ ] up they are going to miss and they
- 00:34:40are missing way too much at a certain
- 00:34:42point you have to realize hey man hang
- 00:34:45up the [ __ ] Jersey all right we need
- 00:34:47a new solution cuz your ban solution
- 00:34:50isn't working so anyway the reason why
- 00:34:52it's not working is because the people
- 00:34:54that are running the website are
- 00:34:56biased that's the reason why there's no
- 00:34:59logical reason why EOB should have
- 00:35:01gotten banned for 30 days because he
- 00:35:04said he was going to jokingly get in a
- 00:35:05fight with somebody at
- 00:35:07twitchcon and or like I don't know if it
- 00:35:09was a twitchcon or someone else elob got
- 00:35:11banned for 30 days because of that and
- 00:35:13Central Committee gets banned for three
- 00:35:15days for saying that he's offering
- 00:35:17$100,000 for somebody to do something
- 00:35:19bad to somebody very clearly referencing
- 00:35:21Destiny live on his stream you can't
- 00:35:24have these two things exist and tell me
- 00:35:27there's any form of parody
- 00:35:30there it's a very obvious bias everybody
- 00:35:35can see the bias that's why they're mad
- 00:35:38people are frustrated and angry because
- 00:35:41they see this bias it's happening right
- 00:35:43in front of everyone and we're all
- 00:35:45supposed to pretend like it's not and I
- 00:35:48think that's what that's what the
- 00:35:51problem is you're dishonest I I really
- 00:35:53don't think that I am dishonest with
- 00:35:55this I I I I really don't think so I
- 00:35:58think that my take on this is probably
- 00:36:00the like I am probably one of the only
- 00:36:03people that I think is being
- 00:36:05honest see mainstream media yeah it's
- 00:36:07all flat out like you just look at it
- 00:36:08right that's literally what
- 00:36:10happened they trying to Gaslight us it's
- 00:36:13embarrassing
- 00:36:15yeah it's crazy you m the controversy
- 00:36:17though twitch doesn't give a [ __ ] yeah I
- 00:36:19don't know I'm just saying like in
- 00:36:20general that's what's going
- 00:36:22on obvious bias is obvious it's it's so
- 00:36:25obvious and so anyway um that's what I
- 00:36:28think the problem is I think the problem
- 00:36:29is that the moderation and the
- 00:36:33enforcement department or like
- 00:36:35decision-making Department of twitch is
- 00:36:38not making good
- 00:36:40decisions I don't know what the solution
- 00:36:42to that is I'm not going to call people
- 00:36:43to get fired right but something needs
- 00:36:47to change there needs to be some form of
- 00:36:50external accountability some form of
- 00:36:53employee training uh some form of like
- 00:36:56you know sh
- 00:36:58like Vision on what is and is not
- 00:37:01allowed it's a huge problem right
- 00:37:04now that's the reason why it's
- 00:37:07happening because nobody chooses to get
- 00:37:11banned twitch chooses to ban
- 00:37:15people that's the ad apocalypse uh the
- 00:37:18reason I say some of the money will
- 00:37:19return is because the way it worked on
- 00:37:20YouTube is the month after the ad
- 00:37:22Apocalypse in that I believe happened in
- 00:37:24February ad rates dropped by 70 80% for
- 00:37:26some people and then mellowed out to
- 00:37:29about I think a 30% reduction uh after a
- 00:37:32couple of months yeah uh so I expect at
- 00:37:36least by well maybe December because
- 00:37:40advertisers love advertising in December
- 00:37:42ad rates will be back up a bit probably
- 00:37:43not to where they were and maybe in a
- 00:37:45year from now if twitch does good and
- 00:37:48they're able to to actually show content
- 00:37:51for advertisers that advertisers want to
- 00:37:53be shown then they might be back all the
- 00:37:56way that that it's a if you build a 100
- 00:37:59Bridges and you suck one dick you're not
- 00:38:01a bridge builder you're a dick sucker
- 00:38:03and the fact is that
- 00:38:0699.999% of content on Twitch is totally
- 00:38:09fine and there's no problems but when
- 00:38:11one person says one thing if one guy in
- 00:38:15one game in one country on one Bridge
- 00:38:19with one sniper rifle says one
- 00:38:22word well that's everybody everybody's
- 00:38:24talking about that
- 00:38:31be the steps that they need to take
- 00:38:33anyway I stream over here on YouTube
- 00:38:34sometimes so I don't got to worry about
- 00:38:35any of this [ __ ] but that's what's going
- 00:38:36on with twitch as see apocalypse all
- 00:38:37right see you later subscribe goodbye
- 00:38:38see you later goodbye
- 00:38:41so let me go back I I'll I'll watch this
- 00:38:44real quick and uh not watch it but like
- 00:38:46talk about it for a minute so it seems
- 00:38:49like companies don't really care it's
- 00:38:50people that care and pressure them into
- 00:38:52taking actions like this you're
- 00:38:53completely right do you think this
- 00:38:55applies to Sasha Gray for example uh I
- 00:38:58think if she was an active porn star
- 00:38:59maybe I don't think she is I'm pretty
- 00:39:01sure she retired so um you know maybe it
- 00:39:03could become an issue but I don't think
- 00:39:05it really is because the fact is that
- 00:39:07like a lot of the actual porn stars like
- 00:39:10Sasha Gray for example uh you know dress
- 00:39:13more modestly than this even right and
- 00:39:15so it's cuz like you know it's like I'm
- 00:39:17not on the clock right I don't need to
- 00:39:19be naked I'm not going to be naked I
- 00:39:21it's like you know you you work at a
- 00:39:22restaurant and um you know you you start
- 00:39:25to hate the food there so I I could
- 00:39:26easily see for a lot of them it might
- 00:39:28have you know a same similar
- 00:39:29psychological effect but uh I work with
- 00:39:32companies in advertising they're more
- 00:39:33worried about their brand than the
- 00:39:34people are yeah well like
- 00:39:37so so Connor like you're bringing up a
- 00:39:40really good point but I think you're
- 00:39:41making my point so you're saying that I
- 00:39:45work with companies in advertising that
- 00:39:46are more worried about their brand than
- 00:39:48people are so which came first the
- 00:39:51chicken or the egg they're extremely
- 00:39:54worried about their
- 00:39:55brand why
- 00:39:57because people's perception of it will
- 00:40:02change that's my whole point they're
- 00:40:05worried about the brand because of how
- 00:40:07people will see
- 00:40:10it it's about the association yeah yeah
- 00:40:12exactly no he's not going to get banned
- 00:40:13why would he get banned like he's not
- 00:40:15there's nothing rude he's saying at all
- 00:40:17like he's not going to get banned like
- 00:40:19I'm disagreeing with he's everything's
- 00:40:21fine uh anyway so no you're you're fine
- 00:40:23bro like but that that's how I see it
- 00:40:26and um I feel like that's what makes the
- 00:40:28most
- 00:40:29sense and uh let's see I'll look at a
- 00:40:31few more of these the egg obviously uh
- 00:40:33what gave the egg pre chickens I don't
- 00:40:35know maybe they're like a little bit
- 00:40:36different I think you know probably
- 00:40:38happens over millions of years so here's
- 00:40:41the point is that I can see why a lot of
- 00:40:43people are extremely critical of lwig in
- 00:40:45this video and I think that it's very
- 00:40:47fair for people to say that lwig kind of
- 00:40:50brushed over the entire like the reasons
- 00:40:53why this has happened and I think that
- 00:40:55like it's kind of like the elephant in
- 00:40:57the room Hassan clearly is like one of
- 00:41:00the biggest proponents of this I would
- 00:41:03say he is the biggest proponent to a lot
- 00:41:06of the contention around the you know
- 00:41:08quote
- 00:41:09adpocalypse he's the main reason why
- 00:41:11this is like 90% of the examples that
- 00:41:14are being used are
- 00:41:16him like or maybe not 90 it might be 80
- 00:41:1970% but it's like the the majority of
- 00:41:22all examples on the entire platform are
- 00:41:24all Hassan so yeah very clearly this is
- 00:41:29the reason why it's happening now you
- 00:41:31can say that it's unfair but that's fine
- 00:41:34I that's okay but you can't say it's not
- 00:41:37happening or that's not the reason so
- 00:41:39blocking Israel and ADL memes oh no no
- 00:41:42that's definitely bad but I'm talking
- 00:41:43about people's actions on the website of
- 00:41:45course there are other things like them
- 00:41:47blocking Israel and things like that too
- 00:41:49you're totally right
- 00:41:51so and uh Nissan probably has no clue
- 00:41:54what's going on uh I I mean I I think he
- 00:41:56probably knows knows what's going on I
- 00:41:57mean of course he does and uh so people
- 00:42:00see Hanan can get away with it and they
- 00:42:01start doing it too maybe right he
- 00:42:03changed the video after the mkff part I
- 00:42:05I don't know I mean I'm not I'm not
- 00:42:08trying to start drama but I think it is
- 00:42:10pretty and this is the problem is that
- 00:42:13like I ran into the same problem that
- 00:42:15lwig is running into right now and so
- 00:42:17like this is what I did about it because
- 00:42:19I covered drama with people that I was
- 00:42:22friends with and then the way that I
- 00:42:24covered it didn't align with like the
- 00:42:27public sentiment was and because it
- 00:42:30didn't align with what the public
- 00:42:31sentiment was people thought that I was
- 00:42:33being biased so I don't think that we
- 00:42:36should spend a lot of time talking about
- 00:42:37whether lwig is lying or not because it
- 00:42:39doesn't matter and none of us really
- 00:42:40know that but what we can say is that
- 00:42:43very clearly a lot of people believe
- 00:42:45that he is and this is a problem that
- 00:42:47I've run into many times
- 00:42:49myself my best advice and what I've
- 00:42:52found to be the best way of handling
- 00:42:54this is to just say simply not talk
- 00:42:58about drama involving people that you're
- 00:43:01close friends
- 00:43:03with just don't talk about it and the
- 00:43:07reason why is because if you do talk
- 00:43:09about it people will think that you're
- 00:43:12being biased even if you're not being
- 00:43:14biased judges recuse themselves from
- 00:43:16cases all the time and I think that lwig
- 00:43:19is you know he's going to cause himself
- 00:43:21a lot of unnecessary stress and uh you
- 00:43:24know just make people mad at him really
- 00:43:26for no [ __ ]
- 00:43:30reason not Trump yeah and so I I think
- 00:43:33that really because like I
- 00:43:36would if I was watching this video and I
- 00:43:38didn't know anything about the situation
- 00:43:41I would think that I was the one that
- 00:43:42caused all this to happen and it was
- 00:43:45pretty much centered entirely around me
- 00:43:47when the truth is that yeah the majority
- 00:43:49of the discourse around this is
- 00:43:51surrounding Hassan that's just the
- 00:43:55truth damned if you do damned if you
- 00:43:57don't exactly and that's that's the
- 00:43:59reason why I try not to talk about
- 00:44:01topics like that did you look at the MK
- 00:44:03clip I
- 00:44:06did and uh lwig should uh just not talk
- 00:44:09about these situations never has
- 00:44:11anything at risk uh when he's never done
- 00:44:13the most milk toast opinion why do
- 00:44:15people think that blood wig has some
- 00:44:17obligation to have a hot take has it
- 00:44:20ever occurred to you that maybe he just
- 00:44:21wants to make content and you know do
- 00:44:24things in a vanilla way like if he wants
- 00:44:26to be a vanilla milk toast content
- 00:44:28creator then what's the
- 00:44:29problem like that's fine like what why
- 00:44:32is that path not
- 00:44:34possible yeah I mean it's his channel he
- 00:44:37can express himself how he wants people
- 00:44:40are just mad that he's not saying what
- 00:44:41they want him to just the content
- 00:44:42creator is also a journalist
- 00:44:44yeah and so anyway um but I I'll link
- 00:44:48you guys to video I don't um I I want to
- 00:44:51say that like obviously I was kind of
- 00:44:53blamed for this since we're talking
- 00:44:56about it right now now I I will refer to
- 00:44:58it again I do not think that I was the C
- 00:45:02I I I think maybe I lit the fuse for
- 00:45:04this bomb but I didn't make the bomb I'm
- 00:45:06not the one blowing up here it's all
- 00:45:09these other people that have said way
- 00:45:10worse stuff than I have multiple [ __ ]
- 00:45:13times many many
- 00:45:15times there's other people like I said
- 00:45:17something stupid I shouldn't have said
- 00:45:19these people said something that they
- 00:45:21could have had the [ __ ] FBI well they
- 00:45:22did in one case right had the FBI
- 00:45:24involved with they're committing crimes
- 00:45:28like it's the difference between like
- 00:45:29being a stupid belligerent [ __ ] and
- 00:45:31committing
- 00:45:32crimes and the fact is that they're a
- 00:45:34lot closer to that line than I
- 00:45:36am and so we didn't start the fire it's
- 00:45:39always been burning yeah and so this has
- 00:45:41been going on for quite a while it's not
- 00:45:44my
- 00:45:44fault I think it's funny to kind of like
- 00:45:47take a little bit of blame for it just
- 00:45:48as a joke but the truth is that I really
- 00:45:51didn't cause this to
- 00:45:54happen I didn't
- 00:45:57this was already
- 00:45:59happening
- 00:46:01sorry yeah oh apocalypse can redundant
- 00:46:05advertisers pulled out cuz uh people
- 00:46:06blackmailed them into streamer drama
- 00:46:07nobody really cares about that kind of
- 00:46:09content that's being advertised well
- 00:46:11then that still matters right because if
- 00:46:13people know that it works they're going
- 00:46:14to keep doing it I'll link you guys the
- 00:46:16video it's definitely your fault well if
- 00:46:17people want to blame me that's totally
- 00:46:19fine I mean I I I'm not going to fight
- 00:46:21you and like I I I don't really care I
- 00:46:24just know it's not and so like you want
- 00:46:25to get mad at me like what
- 00:46:29what what I mean like who gives a [ __ ]
- 00:46:32did you see Central Committee says
- 00:46:33anyone should be turning against you
- 00:46:35yeah I I did see that I I think that he
- 00:46:37needs to like I don't know what just
- 00:46:40just like bro stop sending death
- 00:46:43threats just stop doing it like I I
- 00:46:46don't see like why why we have to have
- 00:46:47this big problem like just stop sending
- 00:46:49death
- 00:46:52threats I I I I feel like yeah what are
- 00:46:54we even doing I feel like actually the
- 00:46:57like like a super majority of people are
- 00:46:59completely on my side with this and you
- 00:47:02can see that with the YouTube videos
- 00:47:04like a lot of the places where people
- 00:47:05are talking about this topic people are
- 00:47:08overwhelmingly on my side and agreeing
- 00:47:10with
- 00:47:10me but and and I I think the what's the
- 00:47:13best um you know litness test for that
- 00:47:16the fact that lsf said that I like lsf
- 00:47:19isn't hating me that's
- 00:47:23crazy wow
- 00:47:29wow the advertisers are ruining
- 00:47:31communism by pulling the ads zero
- 00:47:34accountability the quickest way to anger
- 00:47:35a socialist pundit is to get in between
- 00:47:37them in the top 0 1%
- 00:47:48da let's move on I was well [ __ ] up
- 00:47:52for twitch yeah what is he thinking
- 00:47:53putting bounties some people said yeah
- 00:47:54they're not even getting mad at me which
- 00:47:56is crazy
- 00:47:57and uh apparently lwig live edited his
- 00:47:59video let me see
- 00:48:06here asmin gold okay and we flip from
- 00:48:09that to mkff blaming Hassan all right
- 00:48:13started it MK is blaming Assan saying
- 00:48:15that everyone who does politics should
- 00:48:16be outright banned and asmin is looking
- 00:48:18at me and which is like already sweeping
- 00:48:21because MK is saying yeah just ban Hanan
- 00:48:23ban politics because mkff actually knows
- 00:48:25what's going on lwig does not thinks
- 00:48:27asmin gold is at all responsible he is
- 00:48:29not we know that for a fact okay but he
- 00:48:32couldn't even allow that tiny bit that
- 00:48:34one that sorry 3 to 5 Seconds of Hassan
- 00:48:36criticism was far too much for H okay
- 00:48:39too much for Hassan Hassan had to send
- 00:48:41him a message lwi clean it up clean it
- 00:48:43up jany get it out of there so now uh uh
- 00:48:47Hass is blaming asmin this why you just
- 00:48:50should have never made a video should
- 00:48:52have never made a [ __ ] video should
- 00:48:53have never [ __ ] talked about it he
- 00:48:55didn't have to [ __ ] talk about it he
- 00:48:57could have just ignored it did not have
- 00:48:59to [ __ ] get into this yeah like
- 00:49:02that's that's what you get right I mean
- 00:49:05I don't know what to say should never
- 00:49:07done it yeah M was farming I I think
- 00:49:09he's probably just [ __ ] around and
- 00:49:11and also like I mean if something's
- 00:49:12causing all the advertisers to leave at
- 00:49:14a certain point you do have to ask
- 00:49:15yourself is it really worth it to have
- 00:49:17this content on the platform if it means
- 00:49:20risking everybody else's livelihood I I
- 00:49:23I do think that's it's it's a fair
- 00:49:24question right it's like a trolley
- 00:49:25problem in a way
- 00:49:27so it's an interesting conversation to
- 00:49:29have even in a legitimate
- 00:49:33sense's already uh in hot waterers
- 00:49:35because of the Mr Beast situation he's a
- 00:49:37classic fence
- 00:49:39sitter I think that lwig does try to
- 00:49:41have his cake and eat it too and present
- 00:49:43both sides of our of the argument and I
- 00:49:45think that comes off to a lot of people
- 00:49:47as inauthentic and fake and that's why
- 00:49:49people are angry at him I think that's
- 00:49:52what's
- 00:49:55happening yeah
- 00:49:57that's just that that that's what it
- 00:49:59is but there's a lot of people here's
- 00:50:02the thing most people don't want to be I
- 00:50:05want you his video again uh because as I
- 00:50:08said I I like lwig I think he's a good
- 00:50:10guy all the comments you made about me I
- 00:50:12don't take any of them personally it's
- 00:50:13totally fine literally no hostility at
- 00:50:16all
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